Apostolic Succession: With Bishop Keith Ackerman

[@barelyprotestant5365]

Wonderful talk! I think that we definitely need to have a second episode.

[@TheRemnantRadio]

Barely Protestant i’m probably need to re-titled this episode Anglican ecclesiology. And part two can be apostolic succession. By the time we defined all of the terms and their uses we didn’t have a whole lot of time to define the meticulous nitty-gritty’s of apostolic succession. So thankful for the Bishops time. Thank you for setting this up.

[@barelyprotestant5365]

@@TheRemnantRadio it was my pleasure! Yeah, there is a wide difference in understandings. Given that Bishop Ackerman has known Anglicanism his whole life, and you are just being familiarized with it, there is bound to be a necessary ground-laying for it all. He's a wonderful spiritual leader; I've learned a lot from him. I'm a former evangelical myself, so if you need help in clarifications on some things I can help out with some of that.

[@GROWSOMEVALUES]

Interesting discussion. Yeah definitely need a second regarding apostolic succession. One off the cuff remark at the end I'm curious about since I haven't studied the different churches and their organization. What did you mean regarding the use of deacons and I think you said, odd use by Baptists in particular. I may have miss heard but that's a topic I'd like to hear more about.

[@barelyprotestant5365]

@@GROWSOMEVALUES I am not Bishop Ackerman; I just got them connected with him. I imagine he meant how deacons in Baptist circles are seen as a sort of legislative board of sorts, rather than as people doing the work of the ministry as explained in Acts.

[@gregmcbrayer1688]

What a great session! Bishop Ackerman is a brilliant scholar and shepherd to have learned and served under. You will always experience two things when around His Grace; you will always learn and laugh in his holy presence. What a rare and unique gift set in this world today!

[@ClydeAGlide]

I have enjoyed this episode. I was born into an Episcopal church, which we stopped attending when I was very young. I am currently in a Pentecostal church and love the outlook of other denominations on this show.

[@marcuswilliams7448]

"Tradition is clear and we have the Succession to prove it," said a Roman Bishop, an Anglican Bishop, and an Eastern Patriarch in unison.

[@brotherbroseph1416]

Lol. Good joke

[@sjdhgydhfyrn1023]

...That's the point. They are all valid lines of succession. Christ chose His Apostles, and they chose their successors, and so on, throughout the ages and nations. Not a difficult concept to grasp.

[@marcuswilliams7448]

@@sjdhgydhfyrn1023 You clearly missed the point of my OP.

[@doubtingthomas9117]

@@marcuswilliams7448 okay I’m Anglican, and that was pretty funny 😄

[@Frtemplin]

Love Bishop Ackerman - my former seminary professor and friend.

[@archbishopnicholasacresocr429]

Are you rector of st johns God bless

[@jamessheffield4173]

Finally a real Anglican,

[@waynechanner4339]

Bishop Ackerman is an Anglo-Catholic and is a great explainer of things Anglican.....And a true preacher of the Word as well

[@VupzyPlays]

I go to the Catholic Episcopal Charismatic Church and i love the church liturgy, it’s so Christ centered. This guy seems so chill.

[@Iffmeister]

This is absolutely great. I love Bishop Ackerman...man! He's so chill, interesting, etc. You can tell he loves Jesus too fam. Appreciated this one, as a charismatic who is leaning towards anglicanism (cause you can be Catholic/sacramental, Evangelical, and charismatic at the same time). Love it.

[@barelyprotestant5365]

My home parish has three priests, and each one is stronger on one of those three: Catholic, Evangelical, and Charismatic.

[@Iffmeister]

@@barelyprotestant5365 that's cool man! Hey I've checked out your podcast it's pretty good man, really interesting. What's your parish's name, if you don't mind me asking? I live in Europe and am on a college budget so probably wouldn't currently be able to go anytime soon, but it's interesting nonetheless.

[@Iffmeister]

@@barelyprotestant5365 also question - are anglo-catholics comfortable with all three or is there generally a trend towards one to the exclusion of others?

[@barelyprotestant5365]

@@Iffmeister Thanks! My parish's name is St. Patrick's Anglican Church in Smyrna/Murfreesboror, Tennessee. It's near Nashville. Anglo-Catholics tend to shy away from most of what is called "Evangelical" or "Charismatic" today; we do not like a lot of the abuses we see there. However, in our parish we try to embrace the best that the Evangelical and Charismatic Traditions have to offer.

[@Iffmeister]

@@barelyprotestant5365 that's awesome

[@augustinian2018]

As a current LCMS Lutheran leaning heavily toward the ACNA on grounds other than apostolic succession, this is a fascinating watch.

[@adamhorstman3398]

If not lineal apostolic succession, what are some of the reasons you lean towards the ACNA over and against the LCMS?

[@rolandovelasquez135]

How do the "bad popes", who were not even followers of Christ, that is to say, not even Christians, how do they effect "apostolic succession"? I've always wondered about that

[@rah1721]

Wonderful!! Nice to hear from an Anglican Bishop. He is a faithful conservative Bishop who left the unfaithful Episcopal Church.

[@BradleyMarshall]

These labels are sad - what of all the Episcopalian Christians who you condemn?

[@rah1721]

@@BradleyMarshall there is always a remnant....as history has shown us. God bless them.

[@EricBryant]

The Episcopal Church is in communion with the Anglican Church of North America

[@rah1721]

@@EricBryant They certainly are NOT.

[@Austin8thGenTexan]

Throwback to 1950 Anglicanism. They're okay with divorce, but haven't caught up with GLBT reality. This guy is breakaway ACNA - not a member of the worldwide communion, not Episcopalian. 😮

[@dutchessoftexas]

Yes please~ part 2!

[@archbishopnicholasacresocr429]

AMEN

[@archbishopnicholasacresocr429]

I love this bishop

[@archbishopnicholasacresocr429]

GREAT MAN OF GOD

[@TheRemnantRadio]

Agreed.

[@joshuaparoubek3640]

very gracious and generous convo. thx.

[@joseph7520]

You should bring on the guy from The Ten Minute Bible Hour!

[@schwartzkm]

I'd love to hear part 2.

[@RICMinChristMinistry]

I was a second interview with Bishop Ackerman

[@787Earl]

enjoyed this one. part two would be nice. thank you.

[@Jnewtonwright]

I would love another episode

[@bobbyjohnson4243]

Very good. Thank you.

[@mitchellc4]

Hello I think the problem is not people going around saying “I don’t want to follow apostolic tradition!” Nobody does that The problem people have is that they don’t think Catholic tradition lines up with apostolic tradition Obviously a lot of people didn’t or you wouldn’t have hundreds of years of ecumenical councils For example, there’s no evidence of asking the dead for intercession until 300AD, so people are going to question that and disagree with the practice Claiming unbroken succession doesn’t mean there’s no hesitation of teachings See the Pharisees, who might claim unbroken succession to Moses, yet we know Jesus rebuked their false traditions

[@archbishopnicholasacresocr429]

GREAT BISHOP

[@rosbyduhart5884]

One of the best sessions ever...mind you I serve at Calvary Chapel. But I get it...not offended.

[@dpd1184]

Part 2, please!

[@pasqualecandelora2878]

If anyone is interested I would I would recommend the book “upon this rock” by Stephen K. Ray. The sub title is”St. Peter and the Primacy Of Rome in Scripture and the early Church. He is a Baptist convert to the Catholic Church.Or anything by Dr. Brant Pitre Concerning the Papacy.

[@flippinthemadstyles]

Interesting!

[@cbooth151]

If there is such a thing as "apostolic succession," which one of Jesus' apostles handed down the teaching that... 1, the Father, Son, and holy spirit make up a single "One Incomprehensible"? 2. unmarried priests are bound to celibacy? 3. statues can be worshiped? 4. meat cannot be eaten on Fridays or during Lent? 5. Jesus' birthday can be celebrated on December 25th? 6. Mary can be worshiped? 7. the Godhead is triune? 8. the prayers of the Rosary can be recited? 9. Mary was immaculately conceived? 10. the holy spirit is a person?

[@archbishopnicholasacresocr429]

Great Bishop

[@AntPDC]

Still only an archbishop?

[@39knights]

Unfortunately, unless he is part of the Anglican Catholic Ordinariat, then his Apostolic Succession was lost within a few decades of the split with the Catholic Faith. The way they changed the theology and intention of their ordinations made them invalid.

[@billmartin3561]

Great conversation. Part 2 needs to happen, hope you discuss the necessity of apostolic succession to administer valid sacraments. For example, Protestants can only have a symbolic communion because you have no validly ordained priests to mediate the sacraments. And maybe talk about the legitimacy of church councils due to leadership by bishops under apostolic succession.

[@rosehammer9482]

The Apostle Paul was called as an apostle to the Gentiles yet he always took the gospel to the Jews first then to the Gentile. Peter and the other apostles focus was on the Jews yet they had contact with Gentiles who had converted to judaism or those known as those who feared God and were learning in the synagogue. Paul Encountered the pagan philosophers and those who were worshipping pagan gods and shared the truth about the true living God and that He had fixed a day on which He would judge the world in righteousness by a man whom He has appointed and of this He has given assurances to all by raising Him from the dead. Three different responses some mocked others wanted to hear more and some joined him. Acts17:22-34. His message to the Jews was that the Christ was Jesus. I read this then read 2000 years of church history and all that followed and it boggles my mind. Here we are today with massive division, denominations. East and west splits. I see practices that I seriously doubt that Messianic Jews would follow.

[@redbird9000]

“And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.” ****Revelation 21:14**** • Peter was no different than the others. We can see here in ****Revelations 21:14**** that Peter was still an apostle, not a pope. John saw a vision of the New Jerusalem, so if Peter was a pope, John would have said I saw the foundation of the city walls in layers of 11 apostles and the one pope. ------------------ - Eamon Duffy, an Irish historian, said, “There is, therefore, nothing directly approaching a papal theory in the pages of the New Testament,” and “from all indications, there was no single bishop of Rome for almost a century after the deaths of the apostles”. The Catholic National, a Catholic organ published this quote in July 1895. - Eamon Duffy was a Catholic Historian and he basically refutes that *Matthew 16:18* alludes to or supports papal authority. He said it without any confusion that the New Testament scriptures do not support the papacy. Therefore Peter was not singled out. When Christ said, “upon this Rock, I build my church”…. to say that he was proclaiming a papacy through a lineage of Peter is speculation. - If that were true, there would be other scriptures to cross-reference the theory of Pontification. Paul would have had to check in with Peter if Peter was the Pope. Instead, Paul went to see Ananias to receive his sight. - In ****Galatians 2:11-21**** we can see Paul putting Peter in check for treating the Gentiles differently based upon their state of circumcision and Peter’s fear of criticism. - If ****Matthew 16:18**** was Peter’s proclamation of pontification, that leaves a huge issue. The biggest problem of all is that if Peter is the rock, then the scripture wouldn’t say that Christ is the rock. That’s a contradiction. We can’t build our faith on contradictions. The Rock is spiritual, not earthly. ****1 Corinthians 10:4**** - and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. ------------------ ****Matthew 16:18**** The Catholic Church says that tradition holds that Peter is the first pope and the rock, and that this scripture is proclaiming the Papacy. ****1 Corinthians 3:11**** / ****1 Corinthians 10:4**** The word of God says that Christ is the spiritual Rock. A Rock for the wise builder. ------------------ - I’m choosing to go with the Word of God, not the traditions of men. There is no evidence that Peter ever even went to Rome. Christ is the Rock, Peter is a stone, and we are all stones. ****1 Peter 2:4-8**** Repent! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@timothyfreeman97]

3:16 - "Ignatius says where the Bishop is, There is the *CATHOLIC* Church". St. Ignatius of Antioch here was not referring to heretical groups formed in the 1500's, but the Churches in full communion with the Church in Rome of whos Bishop is the Succesor of St. Peter and Vicar of Christ. Sancte Pio V, ORA PRO NOBIS ✝️🇻🇦🕊

[@wilsonw.t.6878]

Timothy, what a horrible corruption of what Ignatius said. He ACTUALLY said: "Wherever the bishop appears, there let the people be; as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the catholic church". 1. Ignatius does NOT say "in communion with the bishop of Rome". It's anachronistic to read backwards on to the text. catholic means universal. And a bishop is simply a leader or lead pastor of the church. So Ignatius is just saying wherever a lead pastor appears, let the congregation be like how wherever Jesus Christ is there is the universal church. Notice Ignatius says "appears" not is ordained in apostolic succession in communion with the see of Rome. He does not say "is sent by the Pope". He simply says "appears". As in a leader naturally emerges from a group, and wherever there is a leader there is a congregation of people. 2. Catholic simply means universal. It does NOT mean Roman Catholic it means universal church. That is why he says "wherever Jesus Christ is" (which He is literally everywhere) there is the church (body of believers) everywhere (universal).

[@AntPDC]

@@wilsonw.t.6878 Exactly so. A surprising number of Roman Catholics either do not understand the difference, or wilfully ignore it, for reasons of hubris or some such.

[@shofar-man]

Since the funny looking bishop hat was mentioned is it based upon any scripture reference or is it just a man generated tradition?

[@Nothere780]

Yes and a pastor can't wear a suit to church cuz it's not stated in the Bible.

[@EricBryant]

Would have been good if you had mentioned in the title "Anglican." Bc when you say "Apostolic Succession" people will naturally think your guest is Roman Catholic.

[@jonycruz2430]

Anglican is in communion with the Roman Catholic Church, to RCC Anglicans are part of the Catholic Church.

[@SpotterVideo]

Who is the rock upon which the Church is built in Matthew chapter 16? Is it Peter, or is it Christ. The answer is found in Matthew chapter 21:33-46, and 1 Peter 2:4-10. Who is the One Shepherd of the sheep in John 10:16? Who is the One High Priest in Hebrews 6:20? Which of the two baptisms found in Luke 3:16 is the one which is related to salvation? The answer is found in Acts 11:15-16, and Ephesians 1:13. See also John 14:26, and 1 John 2:27. Based on the above, the most important thing about the word "baptism" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water. What is the one baptism found in Ephesians 4:3-6? See Romans 8:9 if you are not sure. Man-made confessions come from men, as opposed to scripture, which comes from God. The battle between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant began in the Book of Acts, and continues to the present time. Sadly, during most of that time the Judaisers have won the day. .

[@SpotterVideo]

The New Covenant: Bob George kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJuaf4Scm8yShKc .

[@AllThingsArePossible]

I feel more and more as overall Christianity has become chaotic and confused the Lord is pointing to the traditional churches that have been consistent for thousands of years. The question is how can we go back to some of the more foundational teaching without integrating with some of the issues within traditional Christendom

[@1984SheepDog]

If you go back far enough you'll find a lot of catholic/orthodox sounding things so yes you have to be very careful if you're not willing to embrace those things.....good luck

[@jaylucot8781]

Apostolic succession shouldn't be so extravagant,... The 12 apostles doesn't have a life of a extravagant,... The early earthly ministry of Jesus Christ are so simple, solemn, persuasive, full of spirituality,.. Pope, cardinals, bishops is very far far away of being a follower of Christ...that is why i will never believe that apostle Peter is the first pope of catholic. Imagine roman government doesnt like the message of the apostles.

[@richardpowelll9067]

Areal " apostle" , the Apostle Paul, said in 1Cor.4"9 that he was the last apostle. And we are witnesses of all things which He did both in the land of the jews, and in Jerusalem, whom they slew and hanged on a tree!" That did not include you! Revelation 21:14 says "And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the TWELVE apostles of the lamb." You have chosen to ignore Bible direction and pervert it by saying that the Bible is not's God's perfect, Truth, His complete revelation to us. You are ignoring first Timothy 2:12 which Paul plainly says a woman is not to to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. Do you tear these pages out of your bible , use scissors, or white out? As for your pervesion of the Holy Spi rit, Acts 2:38 says "Then Peter said to them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and YE SHALL RECEIVE the gift of the Holy Spirit, Seeking any other spirit or baptism is hericay. In summary Luke 16:15"Ye are those who justify themselves.

[@aptginc]

The apostles did not use "priest" as a title of an office at all the New Testament. yet Anglicans have priests in their churches. So that was not addressed here.

[@TheRemnantRadio]

aptginc so would say that anglicans innovated priest, In the same way mainline churches innovated youth pastors, children’s pastors, worship leaders, and missionaries?

[@barelyprotestant5365]

Hey, @aptginc ! Hope you are doing well. The word "priest" in the English language is actually derived from the word "presbyteros", which a lot of Bibles translate as "elders". Within Anglicanism, we refer to priests as elders, presbyters, etc. as well. But thanks for giving Bishop Ackerman a chance to explain his position by listening to him!

[@aptginc]

@@barelyprotestant5365 Well the Jews had the priesthood with is my understating of it and the New Testament believers did not practice that.

[@barelyprotestant5365]

@@aptginc Jesus gave the Apostles the authority to forgive sins in John 20. That is the practice of priests.

[@barelyprotestant5365]

@Destynation Z how's pachamama doing?

[@PInk77W1]

Anglicanism • a church for divorce

[@tookie36]

2 Christmas’s. Twice as many presents 🎁

[@CieloVistaSoftware]

Scripture doesn't teach apostolic succession.