The Dead Sea Scrolls and Apostolic Succession

The Dead Sea Scrolls have been called “the greatest archeological find of the twentieth century.” Yet, controversy and confusion continue to swirl around these ancient writings.
In this clip from Dr. Bergsma’s The Jewish Roots of Jesus and the Church: Light from the Dead Sea Scrolls, he takes up the question of apostolic succession. Do we find evidence for apostolic succession in the Bible and the early Church? Dr. Bergsma tackles this question that continues to be a subject of debate between Christians by turning to various passages from the Bible and the early Church.
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[@TheJewishCatholic]

Most people don’t contemplate this, but as a Jewish Believer in Yeshua (Jesus), Apostolic Succession is one of the biggest reasons I am considering the Catholic Church. This tradition of the transmission of authority is ancient. Known as S’mikha in the Jewish world, the succession of authority goes back to Moses. As it was then, it is done today, through the laying on of hands.

[@lishmahlishmah]

Great! Also consider the reasons of fr. David Neuhaus, a Jewish-Catholic priest. I mean, you can check *why* he chose the Catholic Church. He lives in Jerusalem. Sorry for my English, I am Italian and I never speak English in my daily life. Hope my message is understandable. Could you give me some more information about S'mikha? I have been studying the Bible in Hebrew for about 4 years, and I am very interested in Mishnah, in order to "follow" the links between Jewish and Catholic Tradition. By the way, the word "tradition" in the Catholic language means "transmission". The exact Catholic word is Sacred Tradition. From the ancient Latin "tradere" = transmit, pass on from generation to generation. Mi dor le dor. Thank you so much for your comment! 💙💚

[@beverleypettit3577]

Blessings, prayer and love to you. Come on home... 🙏😇❤️

[@benita8768]

Yes my Friend it IS the Church! I hope you discern it well. I'll definitely pray for you ❤

[@ilonkastille2993]

Messianic Me TV wonderful , i hope you will take the step.

[@nenabunena]

Also all the things the Protestants removed from their churches, priesthood, covenant replacing circumcision,Tabernacles, incense, praying for the departed, imagery in the holy tent or temple are all ancient Jewish traditions, they made Christianity into some wasp like form devoid and detached from it's Jewish roots

[@BB-kt5eb]

I’m a convert from Protestantism and apostolic succession was the key element that prevented me from becoming an Anglican. They closely resembled Catholicism, but there was a big problem when it came to apostolic succession and that compromised the validity of their sacraments, so I couldn’t go that route.

[@josephjude1290]

His book on Jesus and the Dead Sea scrolls was great. It really gets into our history in the catholic faith.

[@floydpink5634]

I never expected this channel had another bible scholar aside Dr. Pitre

[@Msc762]

Dr pitre and dr Bergsma co-authored a book called catholic introduction to the Old Testament.

[@floydpink5634]

@@Msc762 I know you, you also follow Bro. Wendell on his channel

[@floydpink5634]

@@tony1685 protestantism is non sense

[@floydpink5634]

@@tony1685protestantism contradicts one another. Theres never been unity in the history of protestant since martin luther

[@floydpink5634]

@@tony1685 all Christians are different since protestant reformation. Are you aware of Christianity's History? Among thousand of Sects/Denomination claiming to be the true church, only the Catholic Church are entitled to be the "real" christians as stated in the book of Acts. There is only one undivided Church until martin luther. Example. Issue on baptism: methodist allows child baptism while on some protestants are not. Where the unitt in there in teachings?

[@crossingthetrail5630]

So ironic that trolls show up to remind us of the folly of everyone interpreting Scripture for themselves. Couldn’t have shown it any better than they did. If you aren’t here to learn, get lost.

[@MelanCholy2001]

Actually if people aren't here to hear, they already are lost. Judaizers and #SenselessBeasts But they were prophesied; what can one do? Maybe they'll remember something from these videos, and repent one day? But their prideful boasts and denial of Church and Magesterium ...? #Apoc2211

[@crossingthetrail5630]

Melan Choly yeah, what you said :-)

[@charliek2557]

Easy now 😉

[@victorz7040]

Thank you Crossing the Trail for articulating this issue so well

[@benita8768]

Exactly

[@petertherock7340]

I find it interesting that in the New Testament the apostles never instruct churches to hold democratic elections to determine "who" should be a presbyter or pastor. Presbyters are "appointed" by the authority of the apostles which they received from Christ. Ave Maria.

[@stephenler3850]

Catholism is not paganism. It is based on tradition of the church...laid out the Early Church Fathers.

[@ilonkastille2993]

Stephen Ler our ennemies call it paganism. Obviously we are not pagans . I always reply to those who say it: if we were pagans , why did the pagans persecute us for 300 years ? For the pagans we were atheists because we did not believe in their gods.

[@GustavoAndresHerrera]

@@tony1685 can I ask you a question? You say "so if it's not in the Bible".... but the "Bible" was created in the year 300 by the Church. There was no "Bible" before that... so??? Can you please explain how do you know that's "The Bible" without the Church? To be clear, the Bible IS the Word of God. I DO believe that because His Church has said so. What I don't get is why YOU believe that?

[@y3-music]

@@tony1685 keyboard warrior, hiding behind keys and cannot debate in public, Call Sam on Skype, The Assyrian Encyclopaedia - he will destroy you and your cult SDA. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZ3WqK2kd9SYidE

[@y3-music]

@@tony1685 keyboard warrior, really scared of public speaking, keyboard warrior.

[@y3-music]

@@tony1685 keyboard warrior, scared of public speaking, keyboard warrior.

[@eileen1820]

Not Dr. Pitre but interesting nonetheless. Thank you.

[@tonyl3762]

Great stuff. I'm constantly making the same points in KZbin comments.

[@katieli8849]

Great explanation Dr. John Bergsma! 👍👍

[@mike67mj]

You need to watch the whole video in the Catholic production website

[@justinwall5249]

Perhaps the title should read “the Patristic Fathers and Apostolic Succession,” not the Dead Sea scrolls. I was wondering what in the world the DSS had to do with apostolic succession lol.

[@tonyl3762]

Yup

[@anthonyiannone8766]

Great Job...great information and presented very well...enjoyed

[@kimthetruthofit6965]

Holy Holy Holy Lord God most high heaven and earth are full of your glory Hosanna in the Highest Amen

[@chrismaxx8528]

I would like to see the succession map 🗺

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

He kind of glossed over the part of appointing by the Holy Spirit, which is what make Christian ministry possible, even w/out their magical lineage.

[@mprior9780]

Well done. Good clear and concise.

[@benjfischer]

Misleading title. Nothing about the Dead Sea Scrolls.

[@MilesMariae]

i didnt catch the dead sea scrolls in this at all

[@nickdon]

Let us pray for the conversion of 7 day Adventist cult.

[@reemsuekar8112]

Thank you.

[@motsu84]

Dead sea scroll?

[@jerryg3524]

Exactly. Something isn't right at Catholic Productions it seems. What a pity

[@SaintCharbelMiracleworker]

The first example of Apostolic succession was the replacement of Judas. Holy Apostle St Peters successor is Pope Francis. Holy Apostle St Andrew's successor is Patriarch Bartholomew of Orthodox Church Saint Mark, the gospel writer's successor is Pope Tawadros II of Coptic Church of Alexandria

[@markv1974]

St. Thomas would be the syro malabars.

[@justinwall5249]

Some of these claims seem to be going too far. I’ve read 1 Clement and it doesn’t seem that Clement assumes he has authority over the church at Corinth. Corinth had its own bishop, but some people weren’t submitting to him, so the Roman bishop was backing up the Corinthian bishop. I’m not anti-Catholic by any means, but some of these arguments seem to have too much assumption in them, and eisegesis rather than exegesis, that is, stretching verses to support a belief rather than derive beliefs from verses.

[@johnosumba1980]

They are not claim but reality or you are forgetting that Clement is one of the 3 popes whose names are mentioned in the Bible.

[@realSeanMcMahon]

How could the Ignatian epistles be written later than Clement of Rome (who you said wrote as late as AD 80) - wasn’t Ignatius martyred by Nero? The list of Antiochan bishops show he was preceded and succeeded by martyrs under Nero as well. His epistles would be therefore very early indeed.

[@thisisit2878]

No, Ignatius was martyred under Trajan.

[@genotriana3882]

Very informative. My concern is that no one really defines what they mean by apostolic succession. If you stick to what is in the scriptures, I would say that you see very limited evidence of a centralized leadership that had authority over many local churches. You have Jerusalem council issuing a statement. I think it’s just assumed that since all of the leaders of local churches erected present, each church would follow the decision. Paul didn’t seem to claim any authority over churches he had previously founded but left to start another church. He begged people to repent when they were led astray. He had no authority over the false teachers that he opposed (probably because they had their own church with no affiliation to Paul). There were some references to church discipline in churches where I presume that he was likely serving as a local elder of. It seems that the apostles were careful not to add any traditions of man to what was taught by Jesus. My understanding is that the council of Jerusalem only identified the OT commands that also applied to foreigners living amongst the Jews for Gentiles to adhere to. Sticking to the scriptures shows that they didn’t consider their own apostolic authority in the way that many popes have done.

[@vinniep2612]

Thank you for the very informative talk. We need more of these short talks as we Catholics will be challenged more and more to defend/explain our faith. Are the writings of Clement, Iraneous; etc. avaible online or as a compendium of works?

[@CB-ou6gc]

Dr Pitre uses the “Ancient Commentary on Scripture”which is like an encyclopedia of many church father’s commentaries.

[@vinniep2612]

Thank you!

[@TrollsFormers05]

Go to newadvent.com where you can find a ton of early church fathers writings.

[@vinniep2612]

Thank you! I very much appreciate you both responding.

[@John-gu4zn]

Are there Apostles living today?

[@KingdomIsNow]

Those who do not adhere to the original Apostolic Tradition and Succession are MAMZERIM, spiritually illegitimate. A MAMZER is not allowed to enter the Temple of God. Study the Early Church Fathers, Apostolic Fathers, and Ante-Nicene Church Fathers teachings if your church does not follow this God-given tradition. According to the Biblical pattern, every Christian believer must be baptised into Moses, that is, learn how to elevate the Mosaic Laws to the spiritual and prophetic dimensions. We must also sit under an Elijah, that is, study and discern the parabolic language of the Gospels and Epistles. Then, and only then, we cross over into the deeper mysteries relating to Christ. “But the same writer (Clement of Rome), in the seventh book of the same work, relates also the following things concerning him: “The Lord after his resurrection imparted knowledge to James the Just (Half-brother of Jesus) and to John and Peter, and they imparted it to the rest of the apostles, and the rest of the apostles to the Seventy, of whom Barnabas was one. But there were two Jameses: one called the Just, who was thrown from the pinnacle of the temple and was beaten to death with a club by a fuller, and another who was beheaded.” Paul also makes mention of the same James the Just, where he writes, “Other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.” ”
 ~Eusebius, Disciple of Pamphilus (influenced by Origen), Bishop of Caesarea 314 AD, Christian historian, polemicist, exegete. Ascension of Christ, Book II, 260-340 AD Since therefore we have such proofs, it is not necessary to seek the truth among others which it is easy to obtain from the Church; since the apostles, like a rich man [depositing his money] in a bank, lodged in her hands most copiously all things pertaining to the truth: so that every man, whosoever will, can draw from her the water of life. Revelation 22:17 For she is the entrance to life; all others are thieves and robbers. On this account, we are bound to avoid them, but to make the choice of the thing pertaining to the Church with the utmost diligence, and to lay hold of the tradition of the truth. For how stands the case? Suppose there arise a dispute relative to some important question among us, should we not have recourse to the most ancient Churches with which the apostles held constant intercourse, and learn from them what is certain and clear in regard to the present question? For how should it be if the apostles themselves had not left us writings? Would it not be necessary, [in that case,] to follow the course of the tradition which they handed down to those to whom they did commit the Churches? To which course many nations of those barbarians who believe in Christ do assent, having salvation written in their hearts by the Spirit, without paper or ink, and, carefully preserving the ancient tradition, believing in one God, the Creator of heaven and earth, and all things therein, by means of Christ Jesus, the Son of God.
 ~Irenaeus, Disciple of Polycarp, Bishop of Lyons France, Christian Apologist, developed Theology & Defined Orthodoxy. Against Heresies Book III, Chapter 4, Volume 1, 120-202 AD

[@hervedavidh4117]

Great and very clear ...

[@clarekappenman5564]

Question, how do we know that Linus was chosen because of his age and not some other factor? Do we have a source for that? Or is it speculation?

[@wilsongalamiton1629]

Yes We the Catholic Church Have a BIBLICAL source for that...

[@melissafeds1344]

Who are these presbyters? First time hearing. I'm sooo catholic. I really need to read my bible. Even during mass reading I never caught that word.

[@benita8768]

I think it means the Priests

[@melissafeds1344]

@@benita8768 ok. Thanks.

[@johnosumba1980]

@@tony1685 stop lying, it will only hurt you.

[@johnosumba1980]

@@tony1685 why should I respond to you with the Bible if you can’t even understand it? The only thing you understand are the propaganda taught to you through Hellen whites sect.

[@lonelyberg1316]

The English word “priest” is derived from the Greek word presbuteros, which is commonly rendered into Bible English as “elder” or “presbyter.”

[@defendusinbattle7777]

Good stuff

[@charliek2557]

Do you guys have a podcast?

[@garthjeffcoat]

there is nothing about the Dead Sea Scrolls in this video

[@jep6752]

So, did I miss the part where he discussed the Dead Sea Scrolls?

[@not_milk]

I was thinking the same

[@GuyStPierre4love]

8 But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all students.[b] 9 And call no one your father on earth, for you have one Father-the one in heaven. 10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Messiah.[c] 11 The greatest among you will be your servant. 12 All who exalt themselves will be humbled, and all who humble themselves will be exalted.

[@5thdhealth]

They all needed a Mother to create them a living body, and sustain their life. She is the comforter when they cry. She heals their wounds, and she raises them in her image to be honored equal

[@rbnmnt3341]

No such thing as apostolic succession. God gave requirements for apostles in the book of Acts. The mist important of which is that the apostle had to have seen the risen Christ. Scripture says the last to see the risen Christ was Paul. So according to scripture there could be no more apostles.

[@michaelmcguire2121]

This is incorrect. There were many Apostles. An Apostle is one who is sent. First Jesus sent the Twelve and then He sent the Seventy. The incident you are referencing only applied to the standard to replace Judas because he was one of the Twelve. Paul does not meet the conditions set forth here either because he was not with Jesus from the time of the Baptism of John the Baptist. Paul made Timothy and Titus Apostles and they did not meet the same standards as the Twelve or Paul. An honest and deliberative reading shows quite clearly that Apostolic Succession is grounded in the NT and further supported by the writings of the Early Fathers. God Bless!

[@rbnmnt3341]

@@michaelmcguire2121 I am speaking of the 12 apostles and this so called apostolic succession of the RCC. No such thing. Just like there are other disciples. Read Acts chapter 1 and then refute God's word not mine.

[@lukewilliams448]

@@rbnmnt3341Refuting your interpretation of Acts is easy, the early fathers who knew the Apostles say that the Apostolic authority passed from the Apostles to the Bishops - in Acts 1, it is the office of Apostle from of the Twelve that has to be filled due to Judas’ suicide, to be one of the Twelve requires that you were a follower of Christ from his baptism to his resurrection, and so only a limited amount of people qualified for that office. But that’s not the case for the other Apostles and bishops, Paul was made an apostle by Christ, he was not one of the Twelve though - Apostolic authority was then passed on from the Apostles to their successors who were the bishops as we see in 1 Clement 44 and in the epistles of Paul about Titus and Timothy.

[@rbnmnt3341]

@@lukewilliams448 that's nothing but good Catholic propaganda. You see the most important of these requirements to be an apostle, you conveniently didn't mention. The most important of these is that the apostle had seen the risen Christ. I'm sure if you read the Acts you would be enlightened. So those scriptures tell us that the last to see the risen Christ was none other than Paul. So scripturally speaking, after Paul, there couldn't be any more apostles.

[@Spiritof76Catholic]

Imagine that another protestant trolling a Catholic channel who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

[@cbooth151]

Where in the Dead Sea Scrolls or anywhere else in the Bible does it say that the apostles handed down the teachings that... 1. Mary should be worshiped? 2. Peter was the first pope? 3. the Godhead is triune and that the persons of the Godhead are co-equal in glory and co-eternal in majesty? 4. purgatory is real? 5. a certain worship may be offered to inanimate objects, such as the relics of a martyr, or even the statue or picture of a saint? 6. Jesus' birthday should be celebrated on the same day as the pagan Roman Saturnalia? 7. Mary should be prayed to? 8. Mary was immaculately conceived? 9. Peter was the first pope? 10. priests can disregard Jesus' instruction not to call any man 'Father'? 11. meat cannot be eaten on Fridays or during Lent? 12. Mary is a co-redemptrix? 13. Mary is the mother of God? 14. babies must be baptized? 15. the pope is infallible? 16. unmarried priests must remain celibate? Can we all agree that the apostles did not hand down to others the falsehoods of the Catholic Church?

[@francissweeney7318]

Apostolic succession is catholic doctrine not from God.

[@JuanGonzalez-kb3gm]

Tell that to every Protestant. You have gay churches, why? Because everyone can interpret their own bible. You guys are the first woke movement. Read history my friend. You guys are at least 1500 years late to the party. I love it when you quote 4 so that we may no longer be children, wtossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes Bro we have been playing the same tune way before you guys. You changed the doctrines.

[@Spiritof76Catholic]

Imagine that more protestants trolling a Catholic channel who don’t know what they are talking about.

[@DoctorDewgong]

Brother did you watch the video???

[@francissweeney7318]

Until they deviated from any connection to the truth. Peter did not settle the debate James did.

[@reylambarte5615]

In the year 380AD emperor theodosios declared the christianity to be the state religion of the government of rome. It is how the rcc got its name. And to be acceptable to all of the pagan citizens who worship idols the rcc made also idols of the dead saints.

[@reylambarte5615]

@Charles it is fine to me if you insist on believing the lies of your priests, scholars upto your pope. What is important to me was that i was able to exposed the lies. Better read the history written by true historian for you to know the atrocities made by roman catholic religion. You know i am formerly a catholic but by reading the bible by myself my mind slowly open to the truth and learn the lies of the roman catholic teachings and wrong practices. This is the reason why they prohibited the believers during the reformation to own and read the bible and when ever they caught anyone owning the bible the punishment was death by burning.

[@reylambarte5615]

@Charles i am sorry if i considered you to be member of this occult church. I wish to know your basis or facts why you wrote to me that the histories i have read are not true.

[@reylambarte5615]

@Charles who are you to tell me about idols and how the roman catholics treat them, who are you to tell me that teachings and practices of this church are all in accordance to the words of God. I am a born roman catholic by religion and you do not know how i struggled in my faith after slowly my eyes were opened by the words of God. You cannot accept the truth about my comment because as orthodox your church is also guilty to my accusations. Orthodox church and the roman catholic are just but the same color. Together in the fourth century you considered the nestorians as heritic because they never accepted mary to become the mother of God. You also pray to previous believers who are dead to help you. Both your church and the catholics are simply the present pharisees. That does not mean that your church is old it is righteous.

[@reylambarte5615]

@Charles the only authority to as is the bible the words of our Jesus as Lord and head of our church, if the church teaches things outside the words of the bible or anything contrary to the written words of God then Jesus is not anymore the head of that church. It was written in; 1)Deu 4:2 KJV Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you, 2)Deu 12:32 KJV What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it, 3)Isa 8:20 KJV To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them, 4)Gal 1:8 KJV But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Now i want to ask you where can you find in the bible that you should call mary as the mother of God and pray for help to her. Where can you read in the bible that you should fill your church with images and pray to them, where in the bible can you find that you should pray for your dead. Where can you read from the bible that the pope is infallable and many more to mention. So with all of this Jesus can not be considered the head of your church.

[@reylambarte5615]

I sent the complete words of the scriptures to help you understand the context; 1)1Co 11:2 KJV Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you, 2) 2Th 2:15 KJV Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle, 3) 2Th 3:6 KJV Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. The whole context of these scriptures is the command to the churches of corinth and thesalonica to obey complete the instructions of paul to them. Now in Gal 1:8 KJV paul said "But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed". Now what paul is saying to the galatians were not to listen or reject all teachings that that he never thougth to them. Paul never said to add anything to what he had thought to the gentile churches. About mary did the existence of Jesus only started in the womb of mary like you and me in the wombs of our mothers? If mary became the mother of god then then Jesus became god only in her womb.

[@shone_my]

paul create christinity…jesus is teacher

[@francisaltitude9763]

Nope