Apple drops ban hammer on Epic Games over mean tweet

The Digital Markets Act in the EU has caused widespread changes in big tech at companies like Apple, Google, Amazon, and Meta. Recently, Apple banned Epic Games in the EU and possibly broke the law by violating DMA.
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[@Fireship]

🚨 Update: Epic was unbanned after agreeing to no more mean tweets.

[@Komeuppance]

Does sarcasm qualify as "mean"?

[@VivekPayasi]

No more mean tweets?! That sucks! So they are giving up their freedom of speech

[@dpdmadushan]

is this qualify as sarcasm

[@wlockuz4467]

Does this mean Apple gets away with violating DMA, even if it was for a brief period?

[@YonutDonut]

mEan btw

[@chrisjsewell]

The EU isn’t perfect, but their push back against big tech is really impressive 💪

[@ZeroKelvin0K]

As a Swiss, I grumble and agree

[@glowiedetector]

@@ZeroKelvin0K why grumble? xd

[@QuantPhilosopher89]

Not that impressive considering none of the tech giants are from the EU.

[@malgerx4295]

​@@QuantPhilosopher89Spotify is😂

[@matonolo]

That is why revolutionary technology companies are no longer born in Europe. Also Europe is the region that grows the least in the world. Enjoy your statism and regulation.

[@ayoubachak2154]

Apple will literally add a fee for anything

[@YonutDonut]

you can't mention them! Sir you need to pay 500$ for mentioning Apple.

[@ayoubachak2154]

@@YonutDonut 😂😂😂😂😂

[@FeloCoptic]

"Core Technology? There is a tax for that"

[@SkamanSamTyler]

This is the reason I switched to Linux. Apple used to really support third-party developers, but Jobs shut that down soon after being reinstated as CEO. They moved everything behind a "Apple Developer" paywall and charged a 300usd fee for lifetime membership, on top of an annual 100usd fee for access to their docs - the same docs they had been giving away for free for over a decade. Within 6months, they removed the lifetime fee and kept the annual fee, but it was far too late. I was the biggest Apple fanboy but I feel they stabbed me in the back so fuck 'em. I switched to Linux and never looked back. I used to be able to build computers out of literal trash that could run linux and Apple was charging an arm and a leg for just the privilege of saying you like them.

[@docmars]

I hope that one day, Apple's "it's a privilege to dev for us" mentality bites them HARD.

[@Kaslor1000]

Apple is slowly but steadily becoming the biggest villain of the tech world

[@TheRiften]

always has been

[@TracerBH]

@@TheRiften Always since Steve Jobs died

[@erroredhacker]

becomING?

[@guts-692]

@@TracerBHsteve jobs was the main villain lol

[@madhuchowdary8826]

E corp

[@Blue2x2x]

1980's apple: "Think differently" 2020's apple: "Get your Mom an iPhone"

[@BeefIngot]

Think differently only works when you arent relying on psyoping children into bullying each other for the profits of your brand.

[@commentfailedtopost]

​@@BeefIngotIt's apple's fault people are idiots?

[@Granolora]

​@@commentfailedtopostNo, but perhaps they could stop making the idiots even more insufferable

[@commentfailedtopost]

@@Granolora Not their job.

[@BeefIngot]

@@commentfailedtopost Its kids faults their brains arent fully developed? What sort of logic is this.

[@andresmorazun]

That external tax of 0.5 EUR per yearly install over 1M is crazy! Didn't Apple learned "something" about what happened to Unity last year? just a few months ago!

[@zacharybaker770]

there is a big difference though. with unity, they were going to force people who were already using their product to pay these fees, while apple's use of it would have been brand new and couldnt retroactively screw somebody over.

[@chinesesparrows]

​@fay7158 but consoles are subsidized to be cheaper, while everything in apple world is overpriced especially when they're just made in china

[@pi4795]

​@@chinesesparrowsnot really, Nintendo makes money off every switch sold, and so do many consoles after their first half life. Meanwhile, we have the Steam Deck with a very tight price and it's running a Linux distro without any limitations, you can even install windows. I think that freedom in phones is more important than in consoles for obvious reasons, though. But to be fair, consoles (and every piece of hardware) should be more open

[@NotNoord]

⁠@@pi4795because Steam takes the same 30% from every sale on their store

[@lamhkak47]

Worse than Unity lol

[@Therealsimone0]

We gotta compliment you, there was no mention of Ai in this video.

[@NicolasGagne]

Because all is video are now ai generated

[@aarav6891]

@@NicolasGagne The comments are too. we live in a simulation

[@olned]

Beep boop

[@lanz228]

someone tell fireship that there is a problem with his ai

[@RondorOne]

@@aarav6891I thought we are all AIs tasked to comment here. Any Humans in this comment section?

[@HeyItsDoodler]

The PWA thing is hilarious since there was a time when Apple wanted everything to be a web app and not have an AppStore

[@rick1901]

ye lmao. PWA could have already been much more popular but because of companies like Apple they're still underdeveloped

[@docmars]

@@rick1901RIP Steve Jobs

[@apersoniguess_]

who the hell is steve jobs?

[@user-pd9uj8kj5b]

​@@apersoniguess_ligma balls

[@BeefIngot]

God what a god damn utopia we would be in if we never gave up so much control like we did by letting apps happen.

[@david-youtube-channel]

Apple is just annoying. Hopefully, the EU is fighting back. Removing PWA is absolutely ridiculous!

[@meroshango9603]

Hopefully big tech sen EU to F, if you don’t like Apple then just don’t use it

[@kronos2266]

Yeah guys its been reversen simce EU commision launched an investigation into the matter

[@antonhelsgaun]

​@@meroshango9603oh damn bro I forgot just don't sell your product to 50% of consumers totally reasonable business model

[@andrewoliver96]

@@meroshango9603 It's not just about not using Apple. This massively affects developers that want their apps available across all users (including iOS and Android). A simple way of achieving this is a PWA, where it is cross platform and works everywhere out of the box without having to learn multiple programing languages. If Apple bans PWAs, then the iOS users will have limited access to the PWAs. Imagine this, let's say KZbin was a PWA and not an actual app in the App Store. KZbin is pretty popular right? Everyone uses it regardless of platform. If Apple all of a sudden bans PWAs, iOS users will have limited access to them in their own iOS devices, including KZbin. KZbin devs would then need to hire programmers who know how to code for iOS which would incur extra costs for the development and maintenance of the application. Not to mention the extra fees from the app store and the added business logic in maintaining the same app in multiple programing languages for multiple platforms. I'm talking about a massive application here just to somewhat prove a point, but other smaller apps face the same issue with this ban. So, it's not just about "if you don't like Apple, don't use it". For devs that want their app available for everyone, they don't exactly have a choice on the matter unfortunately...

[@masterflitzer]

@@meroshango9603 any consumer that defends apple in this is just plain stupid, nothing they do these days is in good faith

[@MandyShasta]

They did some soul searching and found nothing 🤣

[@bocimino463]

It never ceases to amaze me when software businesses forget that developers are deathly allergic to scalable liability. Even small fees, if out of our control, can scale to unbounded liabilities. Apple and Unity forgot this, and now they're both poison.

[@SicMundusss]

How would you define scalable liability?

[@bocimino463]

@@SicMundusss If a user can do something to force money out of a developer's pocket then it follows they could repeat that and linearly scale the cost. Unity would have allowed each user to cost the developer 20c every time the user installed the game. I could just bot farm that and bankrupt rival developers. Apple was going to do the same thing for side-loaded apps but with 50c.

[@DDP-Gaming]

Who thought the perfect opponent to apple was not another multi-trillion dollar company but the actual EU

[@NineSun001]

I have to live under that thing and I can assure you, it came to everbody here in Europa as a giant surprise, that they actually did something usefull for it's citizens ...

[@davorzdralo8000]

​@@NineSun001if you really think that, you're not paying attention. EU has been on an absolute banger for a decade now. GDPR is fantastic and decades ahead of anything Americans may introduce, and that's just one example.

[@futuza]

​@@NineSun001the EU is leagues ahead of the curve compared to American policies, the FTC and relevant laws are still decades behind them.

[@kapytanhook]

Gdpr is a headache for small companies even ones that don't deal with anything private. Cookie banners alone are rough and google helps them enforce it. Big industry is working with politics to keep competition out

[@kryyto6587]

@@kapytanhook Yes, but GDPR is great for consumers

[@incapablehulk3538]

As Harvey Dent said, "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain."

[@TheManinBlack9054]

The goal is to get big so you can finally be a villain

[@Mankepanke]

When weren't they the villain?

[@DevinDTV]

Apple was never remotely similar to a hero or anything like it. They've always made second rate overpriced products that survive only based on marketing.

[@centuryt3043]

And as jonkler said "Stand back fool ive got a bomb"

[@Komeuppance]

Only Apple fanbois getting high off their own farts would see themselves and Apple as heroes.

[@Jackson_Zheng]

The best change we got out of all of this is definitely the removal of egress fees! Can't believe data migration is FINALLY FREE.

[@enkiimuto1041]

Gotta admire Apple's dedication of funding EU healthcare by going out of their way of violating laws and paying the fees.

[@alexandersergan9220]

PWA support drop is a crime against humanity and common sense🤬🤬🤬🤬

[@Blaineworld]

they did what. fuck apple. whenever i get a new phone (which is probably not soon) i’m going full libre vegan with it. degoogled android and all that.

[@RoXas958]

"Apple says iOS 17.4 won’t remove Home Screen web apps in the EU after all"

[@houstonbova3136]

@@Blaineworld Why not get something with Ubuntu Touch or some other non-android Linux distro. That way you can control telemetry too.

[@1495978707]

​@@houstonbova3136 Because of support for apps and hardware

[@codeaperture]

Mahn.. I wish Apple declines constantly, they have failed the open web and humanity at large, terrible browsers and many BS

[@Gornius]

And that's the main reason I don't use Apple products. Good hardware? Probably. Great experience? Maybe. But Apple's idea that by owning the hardware they can ultimately control the software is a big no-go.

[@ben_spiller]

The only good thing is their hardware. Their user experience, at least on MacOS, is horrible. It sucks.

[@williamcardoso1181]

bro I have a mac and damn linux is way better (gnome or plasma interface at least) also as a ios developer I must use it to build the apps :/

[@jamarplunkett3283]

So let me get this straight. You bought Apples products and was able to leave of your own free will? A lot of people would have you believe that Apple forces people to buy their products and never allows them to leave. Could you explain how you did it, because theirs a lot of disinformation going around.

[@alexxx4434]

Hardware is not the best.

[@the1necromancer]

@@jamarplunkett3283 You are a tech-savy person, on a tech channel, talking to another tech-savy person. The average Joe is not like us. They do not know how to transfer their data out of Apple. They don't even know where to start figuring this stuff out, if they are even willing or able to. The exception of us does not disprove a rule. Why even write comments on YT anymore if something as mild as this is censored? If this is a symptom of a larger problem, then no wonder people are going underground.

[@autumndev]

Never thought I'd be happy to hear "bureaucrats are on the case"

[@ThatBritishGuyonyourstreet]

This guy is actually insanely fast and talented with his videos

[@unrlodzzy6109]

He has a staff ofc hes fast

[@user-og9nl5mt1b]

It's ai

[@kevindunne5859]

Definitely ai

[@unrlodzzy6109]

He has a company of 300 AI agents

[@fuzzboi]

Yeah, he never records his voice for his videos.

[@thespikything]

And people wonder why I won't port my apps to iOS 🤦‍♂

[@OzzyTheGiant]

Agreed. I have stopped supporting everything tied to Apple. It's not worth it. The only thing I want to save from that ecosystem is Swift, as it's one of my favorite languages.

[@ahmadmatar7549]

Same, I always tell my my friends who want to use my app either to buy an Android or to find a way to download the app😂 without the Appstore

[@RandomNoob1124]

Android store ain’t any better 😂

[@DanielNetSet]

​@@RandomNoob1124how so?

[@gabriel55ita]

​@@RandomNoob1124it's definitely more open than appstore

[@jflores85]

I do not know why people still buy apple products anymore especially with the battery and browser issues.

[@Hex-Mas]

It's a cult

[@dhirajksharma_]

​@Hex-Mas, that's the best answer I've seen yet

[@TheStickofWar]

I prefer Linux as my OS, but I have to say that I am very impressed with my MacBook battery. That thing lasts forever since the silicon chips.

[@Haise-san]

"Bu... But I want to be a part of the ones with overpriced scam products.. it's safer even tho android is too andand it's cool to have apple 😎"

[@levelup2014]

MacBooks pro are good laptops if you buy them referburished stop it

[@John-yu8xz]

404: this soul doesn’t exist 😂😂😂

[@_dominick]

The apple is rotting, but people keep eating its shit.

[@turolretar]

When the shit is gold it will happen

[@djspectrein]

​@@turolretarwhat gold you are talking about brother??? 😂💀 GOLDDIGGER!

[@TheBumbleCheese]

EU, the workers-council of capitalism. Love it

[@WilderPoo]

Perfect way to describe the institutions tbh

[@davidvultur8704]

Once in a blue moon. Just consider that they banned most of 8K TVs (or above) because insane energy regulations, they made browsing internet extremely annoying (every website you enter in EU will show you a huge banner where you have to click "Approve" to continue), they even banned all vacuum cleaners more than 900W (now they're all so stupid that you just have to spend 3x the time to clean up your house). THEY are regulating AI chat bots although there's no no AI chat bot developed in EU yet. Yeah, no...

[@Art-is-craft]

Sort of like the Politburo of Europe. I cannot wait to see their Lada.

[@marcs9451]

No.

[@iatheman]

Haha that's a great, crazy, kinda accurate definition.

[@Yulia_Nice_and_Single]

No AI streak still going, you can do it

[@the_expidition427]

I wonder whether this channel is apple sponsored

[@adam422]

The voiceover is obviously ai in this vid

[@kidmcace2415]

was streak really necessary bro???😂😂😂

[@newuser689]

>literally an AI who copied this comment

[@cl8804]

nt, jewlia

[@AbnormalAbnorman]

I love it when the EU kicks Apple in it's apples! 😀😁

[@polozhitelen]

@fay7158 I love that Apple Music will never be equal to or more than what Spotify was, is and will be :)

[@kapytanhook]

The EU will decide your life a little bit more every day. And people cheer it on. They quietly destroyed the whole housing market here and all energy manding industry is getting hammered by sanctions. Can't even lay people off, forced drawn out bankruptcy. Soon only the big few companies will rule us, hand in hand with the people they lobby

[@AbnormalAbnorman]

@@kapytanhook I love making ball jokes 😊😊

[@kapytanhook]

@@AbnormalAbnorman It was a good ball joke, idk why I have the compulsion to lecture in comments. The EU should ban it xD

[@cl8804]

it is apples

[@DerSolinski]

"They did some soul searching, but unfortunately found nothing." Can we just appreciate this TLDR of the "mean tweet" that they used as excuse for the ban.

[@stepstefolifts13]

I gotta give mad respect to fireship man,the dude is fast, keeps me up to date and is always funny! Honestly my most appreciated yt channel homie!

[@SLRModShop]

Check out The Why Files, he'll become #2

[@knechtnoobrecht-c137]

Epic's developer account is already reinstated. Seems like they realized the EU was going to hurt them if they didn't.

[@vacafuega]

I briefly worked for one of Apple's app developer approval teams years ago and even then they were deliberately designing their procedures to be as frustrating and misleading as possible to navigate, in order to support a false sense of exclusivity. Basically a kind of corporate hazing. This sickness is nothing new.

[@solidandshade]

Finally a fireship video that doesn't blackpill me on how useless I will soon become as a programmer and depress me with existential dread.

[@johnkeck]

One of those times, increasingly common, for which I am grateful for the existence of the EU and its bureaucracies.

[@kiaranr]

I'm a programmer, gamer and certified tech geek and I own nothing from Apple. Nor do I use any Apple software or services. I just haven't found any of their product offerings sufficiently compelling compared to the alternatives. Now it's become even easier to avoid them. What a joke.

[@jousis_]

The problem is that you cannot tell your clients "sorry, we don't do apple here, I will only develop for android/win/linux". If it was up to the devs, apple would have died or conceded long time ago imo.

[@redrevyol]

Apple requires us to use their products/services to build Apple apps, and apparently a lot of people use Apple products.

[@Dr-Zed]

EU coming in clutch once again

[@JOEDIRTERULEZ]

WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE FREE MARKET TALK AHHA FREE MARKET THIS FREE MARKET THAT.........THE COMMIE MEMES HAVE ROTTED YOUR CHILDISH MIND...APPLES THE ONE WHO STANDS UP TO BIG GOVERNMENT WITH PRIVACY AND SECURITY

[@PherPhur]

EU is OP

[@thegoldenatlas753]

Don't give em too much credit they are still trying to kill encryption

[@Dr-Zed]

@@thegoldenatlas753 "The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) has ruled that laws requiring crippled encryption and extensive data retention violate the European Convention on Human Rights"

[@justADeni]

@@thegoldenatlas753 No we ain't. That bill will never pass.

[@RobipiotCode]

Thanks for the info 😊

[@OzzyTheGiant]

Did they not learn anything from Unity's pricing fiasco? That's an outrageous fee policy.

[@xijinvegg]

Gotta love the EU :)

[@theblckbird]

I hate it and I live in the EU Although not because of the DMA but rather because of the Cyber Resilience Act

[@raspas99]

I really really love it :*

[@glowiedetector]

@@theblckbird why?

[@matonolo]

Statism and regulation. Disgusting. Europe is the region that grows the least in the world bacause of it.

[@f__kyoudegenerates]

Tyranny lover.

[@symphony_vk]

Jeff, your videos are my favourite part of the internet! Thank you so much for all your hard work! I am a lifetime Fireship member and those are also the best money I've spent online in the last decade!

[@THE16THPHANTOM]

i just love that this is happening so publicly. and everyone is seeing all of this pettiness from apple out in the open. unlike us years ago when we found out the hard way back in the day trying to make our student project, not even for commercial.

[@etothejtheta]

Neat how SAP is considered not a gatekeeper.

[@jb5631]

100% agree! I agree with the regulations, but it definitely seems cherrypicked

[@jamarplunkett3283]

Yep 👍

[@ThompterSHunson]

I can't even begin to grasp how the Western GOVs allowed Apple to take 1/3 of the in-app payments!!! It's beyond absurd. It's a fckin' shakedown.

[@nick15684]

Just another reason to add to the already colossal list of reasons not to develop apps for Apple products.

[@MrJustCallMeJames]

Im absolutely stunned by this, cheering on Tim Sweeney was something I never thought I would do.

[@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_]

Cant wait for the next multi billiom dollar fine against that pathetic anti consumer company ❤❤

[@Rerbun]

🙏 PLEASE punish this malicious compliance 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@critical_always]

I think consumers are pathetic for buying their product. You got to be a special kind of shortsighted to think buying Apple products is a good idea. But I get it. De-Apple is probably as painful as De-googling. A process that I have yet to complete.

[@jamarplunkett3283]

What does anti consumer even mean?

[@aniketbisht2823]

1:05 Something also needs to be done regarding the Kindle ebooks DRM. Kindle for desktop doesn't work for Linux but the Windows version itself sucks. I want to read my ebooks on the desktop. Most of them are technical in nature and therefore require me to practice or try things alongside on my PC/Laptop. Although ebook pirates can freely choose which application they want to read a particular ebook in, paying customers for Amazon Kindle are stuck with their stupid app.

[@infamearts]

0:41 and it's compliance date was yesterday (shows march 6th)

[@phatakom]

Probably some delay in voice recording as at 0:30 it says 7th March.

[@BOLL7708]

I will never not feel like a meme celebrity when you include my VR photo. Cheers 😛

[@redbard4300]

Raising my hands to the air to send my energy to the EU like their Goku about to hit apple with the genki dama.🙌

[@thripnixe]

3:28 Im sure at this rate Nvidia gonna pass the apple in market cap

[@P-39_Airacobra]

App store would like to know your location: "Ok | Ok"

[@TheDingsBoms]

Fireship the goat, bringing the high quality news in an instant

[@wlockuz4467]

*Tim Apple vs Epic Tim* was not on my 2024 bingo card, but I am not complaining.

[@jensenraylight8011]

like did people actually played Fortnite or even Mobile games on their Iphone?

[@the1necromancer]

@@jensenraylight8011 Mobile shooters are popular among kids and especially in poorer countries.

[@jensenraylight8011]

@@the1necromancer I'm sure people in the poor countries are using Android, because they just can't afford Iphone. and people in a more developed economy played their game on PC, Console and Laptop, because it's the most comfortable and uncompromising way to play a game. can't understand why it was such a big deal for epic to stay on Iphone.

[@guii6545]

@@jensenraylight8011 man... poor people are not fuc#ing homeless people they can and they will buy expensive things to feel important or happy (even if they spend the whole year paying the installments on the bill)

[@HoNow222]

Great work Europe!

[@seanmitchell2441]

Amazon did not remove fees, its 100 GB free a month, then ask support for help

[@guy7524]

3:10 That Apple Vision Pro's with bloodshot eyes. 🤣🤣🤣

[@sociolocomtsac]

Big tech getting desperate that the inevitable will happen

[@virrob9055]

pirating or disrespecting apple is justified. the equivalent of nintendo in big tech for sure.

[@markstein2845]

You don’t need no excuse to pirate.

[@virrob9055]

true, but some devs id rather support than others @@markstein2845

[@thegoblinwholaughs1137]

stfu with this cringe justifciation cope for piracy. If you pirate sht, pirate it. Stop picking and choosing to make yourself feel better. Its just cringe, and low level feeling.

[@new-bp6ix]

If Steve jobs were here, he wouldn't be wasting his time protecting his appstore from third-party apps. He'd be focusing on inventing something new.

[@neutron417]

power truly corrupts.

[@robertnagy3942]

According to my roommate who is an expert at politics, it's not the power that corrupts, but the path leading to power. Is that true?

[@neutron417]

@@robertnagy3942 the path is innocent most of the times

[@PherPhur]

@@robertnagy3942 It is the path, but to be more precise, it's what you're willing to sacrifice or destroy on the way to obtain the power. Every little justification adds up until you have no morals and you're just a malicious entity striving for power at all costs. It's a slippery slop too, each wrong decision makes it easier to make another wrong decision. "well I've already done X, is Y so bad?" Also, with each wrong move you get criticized, which gives you further justification to make more wrongs. Eventually it's just you vs. the world.

[@0x00nobody7]

Best part of video: 3:23

[@michaelzlprime]

Oh the irony of that 1984 commercial is so sweet. I will never touch an apple product with a 10ft pole. it's like signing your would to the devil for a shiny brick, and not a gold one. because unlike gold you'll also need to replace it in 2 years.

[@ostrava_]

Didn't Jobs push for PSAs? Seems silly to say they "never liked them"

[@AquaQuokka]

No AI streak still going, you can do it!

[@coctyg7209]

3:03 I cant stop laughing

[@Sarfarazzamani]

hahahah same 😆😂

[@IronMeDen1]

I wonder if Google will ever be forced to allow me to download my data that I pay storage for through any other ways than horribly compressed and divided files and downloads that randomly cut out mid download.

[@SuperXzm]

According to legend, when the board members claimed that the company had lost all its soul, Steve Jobs dunked the company in water and it emitted the last particle of its soul. Tim Cook was particularly impressed.

[@aveydotdev]

spotify accusing someone else of extortion is hilarious

[@JOEDIRTERULEZ]

IKNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE EU FREE MARKET TALK/FREE MARKET THIS FREE MARKET THAT HAHAHA SCUMBAG EU.BOYCOTT ALL EU BRANDS NOW

[@nannan3035]

how bad must it be for spotify of all people to call it a extortion

[@soumilgupta3441]

​@@nannan3035they barely make a profit

[@hungrymusicwolf]

@@nannan3035 "I know we're bad, but man... that's just plain evil."

[@Yespython]

❤❤❤ love from EU

[@mac2857]

love you guys

[@Sherudons]

Did they just try playing unities per install runtime fee? Huh, dislike apple already, you don't have to try to make me not buy your products when I never will.

[@theonlycatonice]

2:40 holy shit that's one hell of a move

[@NutsforDonuts-qc1vx]

The EU's policies on big tech is what the world needs

[@Masterix.]

No, they really aren't. We don't need regulations. If you don't like Apple's products, just don't buy them.

[@fireheartedtimemanagemente5678]

​@@Masterix. Or we don't buy them as well as support regulations that prevent a big company from abusing their power. I don't know why you'd say this unless you're a paid shill.

[@adarshj6033]

Oh no, the AI streak gone😮

[@ammadkhalid1857]

It'll be back in a couple of hours!!

[@tundrastreaming]

"bureaucrats in Belgium" I know you meant to say the right thing since Brussels is in Belgium, but people don't say refer to the European parliament and commission as 'Belgium'. It's simply 'Brussels' to indicate that it's not a national body related to the country of Belgium, but the EU body.

[@SapphireTvYt]

Can anyone tell their experience about getting lifetime ban from Google Play Store console because of their "policy violation". The best part is they won't even tell you what is their policy that has been violated.

[@blanana_m]

This feels like a fight betwen little children except they're giant companies and the EU

[@Gigusx]

LOL it keeps on happening... - First, Riot Games pushed me away from League with Riot Vanguard - For the last few months (or closer to a year, I guess), Microsoft has been working really hard to push me away from Windows to Linux permanently - Now Apple makes the entering their closed eco-system look even less compelling that it had been - I still remember Google's "prank" about sunsetting Gmail...

[@futuza]

They don't want customers apparently.

[@Gigusx]

@@futuza Sure seems like it. Especially Riot, they've alienated a bunch of their community to (officially) solve a problem that affects the average player maybe once every few hundreds of games 🤔

[@futuza]

@@Gigusx Yep I quit League as well when they did that. Cheating was pretty much a non-issue in League and then they decided rootkits were the answer to a problem that didn't matter. Oh well, was wasting enough time anyway so they provided the perfect excuse to do something more productive.

[@SussyBacca]

Fireship keeps spitting hot fire!!!! ❤❤❤

[@GustavGurkenwasser]

I already have my eyes on some juicy short options for apple

[@maximumcockage6503]

I actually like Epic Games as a company. They give you free games every week, and their model personally for games is to give people free games like Fall Guys, Trackmania, Rocket League, Fortnite, etc. But they make their money through microtransactions such as selling skins, yet no game is every pay to win because they don't sell guns or ammo packs. Just "Do you want this Goku skin in Fortnite or Sonic skin in Fall Guys? 5 dollars" so now anyone can play the game for free and any money you spend is optional and doesn't actually give you an unfair advantage. Top tier model imo

[@mrkva6273]

Fr they are underrated

[@xerfrex7869]

They're in their User acquisition phase. The good times won't last forever, but I'm here for the ride while they are

[@Equalisys]

Haven’t seen the video yet but I know it’s a banger

[@Shinola7]

I live in EU, it's not all flowers, look at the protests and how these seemingly good measures are driving businesses into the ground. Apple is not good, but imagine a world where it goes completely under, with Android following after it due to "good" policies. (You can't maintain those huge ecosystems and pour huge amounts into R&D just on phone and license sales alone) And check how stable is EU in general, lots of member countries are now re-evaluating their alignment with EU values.

[@pxkqd]

It amazes me every time a company becomes the villain. Like... do they notice it? Do they care?

[@kodedart2311]

That's the endgame.

[@futuza]

They've always been a villains, it just takes them a while to become unstoppable supervillians.

[@complexity5545]

Apple has always been a villain. Only consumer thought of Jobs as a savior. Devs hated that guy.

[@jamarplunkett3283]

@@fay7158hey you can’t bring up blatant hypocrisy in this comment section. You can only sh!t on Apple😂. Nah, but seriously that’s a good point.

[@PolarbearYGT]

Nintendo and apple are like the main villains who just fart on everything that is free and fun

[@rompevuevitos222]

Do you know what a corporation is?

[@garethjax]

Oh i see what you did there! Outstanding move!

[@global6000]

I don’t understand like Spotify if their membership via their website is $10 and the via the App Store it’s $13 due to 30% App Store tax and then they say consumers are paying to much like Spotify just make it $10 then for consumers via the App Store and agree that you only get $7 for each subscription via the App Store

[@jamarplunkett3283]

That’s the thing. Spotify and other businesses don’t want to lower their prices to compete. They prefer that the EU government comes in and force another company to do so. And let us not forget that Spotify and Epic games are big players in their respective fields.

[@nestharus]

It's not about the tweet. Apple was looking for any reason at all to ban Epic. Remember Epic sued them. Apple doesn't want them on their platform.

[@TheRibbonRed]

And Epic was looking for every reason to not pay _any_ percentage to platform holders. Both Apple & Google. Meanwhile implementing their own monopoly on video games with Epic Games Store. Be honest. Neither of these multi-billion international companies are the commonfolk's friends.

[@turolretar]

@@TheRibbonRedepic has the better name so I hope they win, cause that would be … EPIC

[@okie9025]

For the people and governments in the EU, this is a win-win situation. Seeing Apple (and other monopolies) suffer is just a beautiful side effect. The 2 possibilities are: 1. The companies pull away from the EU market, and then they will lose a massive amount of money. But that's not even the best part: the EU will get rid of a monopoly. This will allow for other, better companies to take their place, which will actually bring in more money than before, since smaller companies actually have to compete to make a better product. Not to mention the fact that removing american centrism from our culture and our devices is a huge success. 2. The companies bow down to the EU. Life quality in the EU drastically increases, while still keeping the economy growing.

[@PherPhur]

Yep, it's just a + for humanity. As long as the EU maintains relevancy on the economic stage, they wield GREAT power and can make really great changes for hopefully all of us(even here in the US)

[@nsshurtz]

Wait a minute, regarding PWAs, wasn't the iPhone originally released without an app store and Jobs was like developers should just make web apps? So like they're now back tracking but not until they realized that they could make bank on the app store?

[@someonefar5600]

Would this Act apply to game consoles and stores?

[@jvmauricio107]

EU is the Jedi that will bring balance to the force

[@NimoArts]

It might seem so, while they enhance the prison you life inside.

[@PherPhur]

@@NimoArts lol if the EU is a prison, it's a prison nicer than anywhere in the world

[@NimoArts]

@@PherPhur They got you

[@skywalkerSam]

Dude, you're like Eminem for devs... put some beats and done.

[@kipchickensout]

"I don't agree with most of what Apple does, their design, commercials, user experience, developer experience, compatibility, etc but I will gladly change my mind if Apple improves" Also Apple every two weeks:

[@TysonLondon]

"I pay my 100$ tribute" 🤣🤣🤣

[@GeorgeSpelt]

apple is evil EG is good

[@smallbutdeadly931]

Fortnite balls

[@theairacobra]

epic games is dogshit too

[@TheRibbonRed]

Epic Games literally does the same for EGS. If you're against monopoly, you cannot support either multibillionaire international companies.

[@GeorgeSpelt]

You are wrong. I can publish a game for Windows wherever I like (steam, ms store or my own website). For apple its app store fees or "platform" fees.@@TheRibbonRed

[@FurryNonsense]

"Apple lost 80 billion dollars, did some soul searching, and found nothing" 😭

[@ihopethiscommentisntabusiv4670]

Imagine building a city. You let merchants come into that city to sell their goods and services. But now, someone comes along and tells you what those merchants can or not do. Yea makes sense.

[@nommchompsky]

The person who built the city still has to follow the rules of higher government. They also don't own the citizens or their homes and businesses and shouldn't be surprised when people get upset with them for putting up roadblocks to prevent people from shopping elsewhere to avoid the 30% local sales tax

[@jamarplunkett3283]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@nommchompskybut the thing is the bigger government didn’t help build anything and should only dictate certain basic rules like taxes and basic safety guidelines. What this bigger government is doing is an egregious over step, given the fact that they played absolutely no role in the development of the city or its infrastructure. And the “prevent people from shopping elsewhere” point is dubious. There are a plethora amount of cities where you can buy certain, products, but if you choose to sell to Apple city’s citizens, then you have to pay the local Fee. And if you choose not to, you can go to Google city, Samsung city, or any the 1,000 plus android city’s out there. Forcing a city to stop taxing is about as dumb as it gets.

[@nommchompsky]

@@jamarplunkett3283 Again, the city builder doesn't own the citizens, their homes, or their business. Once I buy my home, the builder is no longer calling the shots and I would expect higher levels of government to step in if they try to. They're welcome to collect their taxes, but if I want to bring something in from out of town that's my business

[@jamarplunkett3283]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@nommchompskyyes, the government doesn’t own the citizens, but they do own every and all aspect of the city. They provide the electricity, water, sewage, etc. If you want to use these services you have to pay a fee. And this isn’t about what you bring from out of town it’s about the fact that you don’t want to pay the Fee to use these services. And this whole argument stems from business not wanting to pay the Fee’s /Taxes, it’s literally the main reason epic games, Spotify, and the EU have a problem with Apples App Store. The just don’t want to pay apples Fee. If you use Apples electricity, water, sewage, public transport, etc. how is it okay to not pay the Fee? If you have a problem with this, go to a city that you don’t mind paying a fee for. Just don’t force Apple to give it away for free.

[@new-bp6ix]

The company does a great job, innovates and becomes a monopoly or close to it in some field, and then the quality of the product becomes less important. The product starts valuing the great salesmen, because they’re the ones who can move the needle on revenues, not the product engineers and designers. So the salespeople end up running the company. by Steve jobs

[@keithmanfredi]

These two companies deserve each other.

[@farble1670]

Apple v. Epic: two billions dollar giants arguing about who gets more of your money. This isn't your fight.

[@jamarplunkett3283]

Exactly, the point no body talks about. Epic games and Spotify are huge company’s.

[@binary_gaming113]

I'm glad the generative AI hype seems to be slowing down at least a bit