Apple Music Spatial Audio: How To Listen On Sonos Today

[@pdg1877]

Sonos should include those features in their S2 app

[@TheStealthDawg]

My whole house is filled with Sonos so this was very helpful. Thanks.

[@iwouldpayattention]

10:15 You said Airplay 2 compresses lossless (i.e., even non-Hi-Res lossless). It was my understanding that Airplay 2 is capable of streaming 24bit/48khz without compression. Did you misspeak or is this not the case?

[@teaboy6340]

I agree, Bluetooth is lossy but AirPlay uses WiFi and can cope with lossless but not hi-res

[@ronalcasid3844]

AirPlay uses Apple Lossless Audio Codec(ALAC) to transmit data. It is a compressed format but does not throw away data so it is lossless. ALAC is proprietary to Apple. The equivalent open source compressed lossless format is FLAC.

[@Chimera_Photography]

24/48 is only for video content, for some stupid reason. Music is limited to 24/44.1, I think it is.

[@GolanZiv]

Can you stream Dolby atmos via airplay directly to Sonos arc, and experience surround sound?

[@Adam-ob3vs]

AirPlay currently doesn’t support Dolby Atmos

[@Madtech70]

Is it possible to connect 2 Sonos ones to Apple TV so I can have better sound than my Samsung Frame 2021 TV

[@Faheem_Raza_5786]

How to connect Sonos Arc, Apple TV 4K, and a Sony OLED together to get dolby atmos as Sonos Arc has only one hdmi port and apple says to get atmos through Apple TV 4K you have to connect apple tv directly to soundbar then soundbar to tv.

[@schuilnaam85]

For Dolby atmos on a sonos arc, does the tv need atmos support as wel? Or will it pass trough?

[@paulleach2231]

Help needed. I’ve just signed up to Apple Music for the atmos tracks as I have a Sonos arc. I’ve only got an iPhone however. I’ve tried using Apple Music directly through the Sonos app which produces atmos content, AirPlay from Apple Music to the arc doesn’t. But the Sonos app, whilst using Apple Music doesn’t give me the search, shuffle, play all functionality. I can only select one song at a time. Any ideas or assistance would be much appreciated

[@javtimestwo]

Finally someone gives attention to the Apple Lightning to 3.5mm headphone jack adapter. It features a built-in DAC and is idea for an iPhone or Mac 1-Cost is only $9 2-I use it on my iPhone or Laptop because I do not own expensive headphones or am an audiophile 3-I know the Apple dongle tops out at 24/48, but how really can hear the difference above those settings?

[@raroshraj]

So can I use the new Sonos Beme generation two to listen to Apple Dolby Atmos? And do I need a 4K Apple TV for this or can I just use the Sonos app with Apple Music

[@TipRingSleeve]

Question. I have a Sonos arc, Apple TV 4K from 2017, and a Samsung NU 6900 from 2018. To get Atmos compatibility, do I need to upgrade the TV, The Apple TV, or both?

[@khorclcl]

I have only one eARC HDMI port hooked to my Sonos Arc, and it is playing Atmos on Netflix on my TV's OS. I would like to purchase an Apple TV 4K for atmos audio. However, I only have a HDMI 1.4 port left on my TV. Will I be getting Atmos on my soundbar, with Apple TV 4K connected to my TV HDMI 1.4 port, while eARC to soundbar?

[@sensational_cellar8606]

So if I get a Sonos Port, will it be able to play Spatial Audio from Apple Music via my iPhone/iPad, and if so, will I be able to hear it through the Sonos’s coax output with my external DAC?

[@clementhengy2309]

Thank you for this nice video! I have an Apple TV 4K and a Sonos Beam connected through ARC. Will I get lossless 24bits/48kHz by using the native Apple Music app on the Apple TV? (providing it makes any difference…). Have a great day!

[@midnightprophet]

Yes, and I can also confirm that spatial audio tracks come through as 5.1 as well.

[@thomasneely1326]

@@midnightprophet what utter rubbish! Sonos despite what he says and you say, does not play spatial audio it’s Dolby Atmos only there is no head tracking in the speakers it’s unique to AirPods Pro and max!

[@midnightprophet]

@@thomasneely1326 Spatial audio on headphones works differently as it is using virtualization to trick the brain into thinking sounds are coming from different spaces. Head tracking is a separate feature that can tie in, it is currently limited to movies and will be coming to music in the fall. On an Apple TV it will be hooked up to one of Sonos’ soundbars and setup as a surround system. It will then either come through as Atmos or DD 5.1

[@thomasneely1326]

@@midnightprophet wrong Speak to Apple direct and they will talk you through it in a simple way you might be able to understand it better. Yes you are correct it’s limited currently to movies, however it is NOT possible to use spatial audio on anything other than AirPods Pro or AirPods max products. That’s a simple fact.

[@thomasneely1326]

@@midnightprophet kzbin.info/www/bejne/amK6nmiEg5qel68 That might help you.

[@jerkol4146]

Can i listen to apple music on Sonos beam without tv?

[@lautrufend]

Hi Jonathan, thanks for the great video. I’ve noticed when listening to Atmos tracks on my Sonos Arc that theres a short delay before the speakers start playing most music, causing me to miss out on the first note or two. Do you know what might be causing this and is there any solution?

[@shivamnrutya]

I have apple music in android How to connect it with AVR?

[@HausOfPain]

So it’s not possible to play Apple lossless from my Sonos AMP?

[@soulsynthesiscreations]

If you have sonos beam with surrounds, assume this is pointless?

[@thomasneely1326]

How can you say, people will able to hear spatial audio if they are not using AirPods or AirPods max? Surely you just mean Atmos as there will be no head tracking involved listening via speakers sonos or not

[@julianj4026]

So can you listen to lossless audio and stream it through your Sonos one?

[@antoniogallo2196]

How do I know if I'm getting Spatial Audio & Lossless on my 5.1 Sonos System (Beam - Gen 1 + 2 Ones + Subwoofer - Gen 1)? My system is connected to my TV through a regular HDMI ARC port and music's being played from an Apple TV 4K.

[@osh_master]

You won’t be getting any Dolby atmos since the gen 1 beam does not support Dolby atmos to my knowledge

[@lukerabin5079]

Dark side of the Moon and Goodbye to Yellow Brick Road. They were originally released in quadraphonic which may well be used as a starting point for a new immersive version.

[@jarhead4657]

The original masters would be used not quadraphonic which is four channel.

[@lukerabin5079]

@@jarhead4657 the release master we’re encoded in one of two quadraphonic systems, so they shouldn’t be especially difficult to encode with Dolby atmos.

[@daniel243ish]

Great Video. So if I get a DAC I cant use it with my sonos

[@kevinbruijsten2404]

Do you think that in the future we will just be able to stream from the S2 app? I have a complete sonos arc setup with a Smart tv. So the need for an Apple tv is a little bit crazy just for the lossles upgrade

[@smarthomesounds]

Hi Kevin, it seems there is plenty of demand and we can only wait and see if Apple and Sonos work together. If they're able to do this, it'll be a huge advantage for Sonos as it's likely they'll be the first to offer it through their app. Fingers crossed!

[@gswhite]

I have full Sonos home cinema and no matter what I try I cannot get my Apple TV 2nd gen to play lossless or atmos even though all the settings to do so are set correctly. So I have to dispute this video. It simply does not work. Apple as usual breaks the audio stream and everything is streamed in stereo PCM.

[@Pot-8-Toes]

You need Apple TV 4K.

[@malcolmparsons4808]

Thank you Jonathan very informative. I wondered how we could listen to Dolby Atmos from Apple through my Sonos ARC. Tried it via airplay 2 but dint get the Atmos on the Sonos app only PCM. Going to try it on my 4K Apple TV now the way you said. Again thank you 😊

[@jb7753]

How did your testing go mate? Does it work if you add the apple music app to the sonos app then playing the tmos track through the arc?

[@malcolmparsons4808]

@@jb7753 Going through Apple TV via my Apple Music app it sounds great. Brings the music alive. Very pleased with it. Using the Sonos app is not as good as you are using wireless and Dolby Atmos only works when using the Apple TV not over WiFi. It has to be via the Apple Music app on the Apple TV because of the hdmi connection. It needs the wired connection.

[@jb7753]

@@malcolmparsons4808 bugger........ I'm not looking to invest in an Apple tv box as I don't watch enough content on Apple and I have a fetch mighty box aswell as the smart TV and an xbox 1 hooked in which gets me Apple tv in 4k..... so many things..

[@jb7753]

Well, I got my hands on an apple tv 4k for my birthday. Can I ask mate, what output does the sonos app show when playing a loseless track through apple music on the Apple tv 4k? I'm seeing stereo PCM in the sonos app. I am getting atmos logo when playing atmos enabled tracks.

[@malcolmparsons4808]

@@jb7753 Hiya. When playing Lossless through my apple tv4K my Sonos app also shows PCM too. Maybe Sonos will update later fingers crossed.

[@JeffLeeming]

Great video! If you have the Apple TV and Sonos Arc, but are connected via an ARC port on the TV, (vs eARC), do you still get spatial audio?

[@AA-yi3po]

Great video, very informative, thanks!

[@thomasneely1326]

FROM APPLE: Users will be able to hear Dolby Atmos tracks natively on Apple devices or with AirPods and other supported headphones. Spatial Audio is a layer on top of Dolby Atmos that enables an even more immersive listening experience.18 May 2021

[@alexis.x]

Love your channel and videos. On stereo paired Moves, can you hear Lossless tracks from Tidal through Sonos app or will it be compressed? Can you hear the difference on the Moves from Tidal Hifi and Spotify 320? Thanks

[@sphinx5151]

Great info and appreciate the detail of each! 😎

[@XeRzclanPR]

You lost me m8. I wont get atmos via airplay on the sonos while listening on apple music? In order for the best experience I need an apple 4k tv?

[@michaelhorton6881]

Unfortunately you can only get Dolby Atmos Apple Spatial working if you have eARC on the TV. AppleTV pushes Dolby Atmos as TrueHD which is only supported over eARC. So if your TV only has Arc you can get Dolby Atmos for movies from apps streaming on AppleTV, but you only get PCM stereo :-)

[@michaelhorton6881]

Have now added HD Fury's 4K Arcana so now can get full Dolby Atmos on the Sonos Arc, However, still not getting Dolby Atmos Spatial Sound working on Arc/Sonos. Will continue to dig into forums and find a way to get it to work.

[@michaelhorton6881]

Once AppleTV updated to 14/6 AND Settings/Apps/Music set to Dolby Atmos and Lossless it all started working.

[@soulsynthesiscreations]

Really hope Amon Tobin Chaos theory soundtrack is released again… that was a dolby 5.1 album at launch and was a stellar album/video game soundtrack

[@a2.Milk85]

Great video Johnathan, can’t wait to hook up my iPhone directly to my new Sonos Arc using airplay :)

[@robklaproth8144]

Directly? Does the Arc have an external audio jack? Why not use Apple TV connected to the Arc?

[@rigshreyan]

Will the spatial audio work with sonos ones?

[@midnightprophet]

Well the closest you can get is by using airplay and setting Atmos to ‘always on’ but because it wasn’t meant to played through them it just sounds off

[@rolandrohde]

Spatial Audio cannot work with Sonos Ones. Theoretically it could work if you install 4-6 Ones in your Ceiling, on top of having 7 of them spread around the room. I doubt this can be configured in the Sonos Software though, and it is not practical anyway.

[@JoshHare85]

Top video with a lot of points not found in others 👍🏼 Just curious as to why the Bluesound Powernode needs eARC if you can only connect 2 stereo speakers to it ? Unless you have; 1) Sonos Arc (via ARC or eARC) 2) a proper Atmos Home theatre (5.1.2 or above) 3) other Atmos soundbars what is the point of spacial audio at all? Especially when Atmos tracks aren’t ‘lossless quality’

[@namelessfrce5842]

omg good sound dolby atmos music i just tried this setup and it sounds great, im using lgc1 tv sonos beam gen 2 and 2 sonos ones gen 2 and a sonos sub gen 3

[@thomassiegers3007]

No Sony mx3

[@ramalingam108]

I enjoy Lossless HiRes with my MacBook Pro connected with USB to external DAC Aune SA8, to my integrated amp. Atoll in200 Signature and Dali speakers. Apple music is much better than Tidal HiRes for my ears.

[@robklaproth8144]

UPDATE: Sonos now supports Amazon lossless audio for those who subscribe to Amazon music on several of its speakers including the Play 5. It would be nice if they supported Apple Music since I don't feel like signing up for another service.

[@nattydj8646]

So much conflation of Atmos (a mix and codec) and spatial audio (a way of processing any audio).

[@RealMusicHype]

01:18 Good stuff..

[@ronalcasid3844]

It should be noted Spatial Audio (Dolby Atmos) is compressed and not lossless.

[@ephektz]

Spatial Audio legitimately just ruins music that wasn’t recorded for it.

[@georgespringer3897]

Some songs are actually really well done in my opinion, for example, island in the sun by Weezer is a great example of it done right, whereas a song like Stacy’s Mom is not done well at all.

[@danm4320]

@@georgespringer3897 Really it's a gimmick

[@georgespringer3897]

@@danm4320 I feel like it has potential, you just have to keep in mind that these older songs weren’t written with Atmos/Spatial Audio in mind.

[@ephektz]

@@georgespringer3897 So I gave this song a go. It sounds like it’s being played really loudly in another room with all the doors shut. No clarity, muffled mids and highs, and a very slight after image. The song loses all texture. This one I think particularly suffers. In the beginning there is a very deliberate panning of the stereo channels; the spatial version smooths it over to the point that unless you know it’s there you probably won’t notice it. Tell me, if the artist made a stylistic choice like that and the re-master (because that’s all these really are) causes it to be lost, can you really say it’s better? This is not how the artist intended it to be heard. This is not how it was originally mastered, and is not faithful to the original intent. When artists start writing music specifically intend for Dolby Atmos it will be a different story. Unfortunately, because they are polluting the service with a bunch of music that wasn’t intended to be mastered like this with no quick way of toggling it on or off without digging into settings, I can’t say I will ever turn it on.

[@Fennec1919]

It depens who did the job some tracks are s h i t t y and some are a bomb

[@aaronboss792]

I hope Sonos and Apple play ball

[@that_biker_boy5550]

Great video Jonathan! 👌 Fantastic source of informative audio tech. So just to clarify… “LOSSLESS Audio” Is effectively an audio format with Losses compared to Hi-Res Lossless! I’m sorry, but what a bunch of BS from Apple! Haha.. Regarded as one of the most successful premium tech giants of our Era, and then they offer marketing like that! 🤦‍♂️ I’m guessing that ‘Marketing intern’ at Apple has now been fired for this! 😂

[@tdkearns]

Very confusing.

[@rumanjandu2509]

take that lipstick off g