Apple River stabbing trial: Medical examiner testifies [FULL]

[@jeraleewood5969]

It is amazing that AJ did NOT die. He was in cardiac arrest for 9 minutes. The trauma team they have is stellar. God bless them all.

[@brinkee7674]

That arrest happened on way to hospital. Another happened on way to emergency surgery

[@tkh1231]

yea, or have brain damage.

[@tsunamiiwinterz-px7oz]

but it was for tha culchuh dog

[@anchmcle]

🙌🏾

[@E_Legal_Alien]

@@tsunamiiwinterz-px7oz😂😂😂

[@ruthannwatkins3914]

This doctor was excellent at explaining everything . His manner is calm and precise , what a job eh , they are all hero's , the medical staff that worked this whole case , god bless them .

[@garyw9164]

You're correct about the doctor. Proper English would be to capitalize God though.

[@asaliden4584]

Yes, and he remains calm even if you can sense that little nerve of irritation against the defense lawyer. I would need two aspirin and a tranquilizer being questioned by that man. My skin crawls at his insinuations. I’m happy this medical examiner corrected him calling a person’s body for object. 🤯

[@FlipNasty1]

​@@garyw9164 Amen

[@CC-uq4hu]

As a doctor or nurse you must remain calm in high stress…he’s highly experienced

[@ireallywantedtolivethruthe80s]

@@garyw9164I’m sure the almighty can let that one slide ..

[@2kiona]

Wow man. And welcome to America. I know it's very hard to come to this country as a trained physician, only to have to "start over", BUT we're glad you're here and thank you.

[@Mark-sk6om]

Yeah don't look at the shock therapy in the country he likely fled. Greatest fall in life expectancy outside of a war ever.

[@oberynmartell6781]

@@Mark-sk6om I was surprised to read this so had to immediately look it up, couldn't believe that shock therapy would cause such a great fall in life expectancy, and turns out it didn't and you are simply full of sh*t.

[@sassiwich3491]

⁠@@Mark-sk6omI’m so not replying to be critical and don’t want sound ditzy. I’m just very curious about your comment. The wording is a little confusing, (apologies). Could you explain a little further about what you are referring to regarding “shock therapy” and “greatest fall outside of war.” I’m intrigued by your interesting point of view. Thank you. ( seriously not trolling).

[@pattymelt-go3fv]

@@sassiwich3491 Something about mental asylums in the Soviet Block? Maybe dissidents were abused there? ...But the dude ain't THAT old....and 4K autopsies in the US?? Looks 57 or so IDK what is meant by that "shock therapy" comment? My great grandfather came from Belarus in 1989........I have one photo and know about a page of his life story. History is lost as fast as it's made at the individual level.

[@Mark-sk6om]

@sassiwich3491 sure, the term comes from the work of Naomi Klein , "The Shock Doctrine". It shows how the liberalization of the economies on post soviet countries was carried out and how that impacted those populations, which leads to the second part of my comment, the drop in life expectancy after the fall of the socialist bloc. In particular, Romania saw a drop in life expectancy of almost 2 years in men from 1990 to 1996. In a country like Russia, life expectancy fell by 6 years from 1990 to 1994. Rapid privatization took a toll on a population that didn't understand what imposing capitalism would do to them. And this is all without getting into the explosion of prostitution, especially among children that occurred in this countries during this time.

[@edgross6554]

The Doctor is a class act, very professional.

[@sunnyd4125]

He is a coroner. Works on deceased.

[@gribble2979]

"If you mean by object, a person, a human...." Dr. Froloff schooled the attorney and his disrespect of Isaac.

[@LiveLethal]

So true! Such dehumanizing language. Dr. Froloff is a great witness, very clear and concise with his words.

[@Dbro911]

Why get hostile with pathologist, not a good look for defense

[@RobbieAmerican]

Defense is underhanded. They got no defense. These cold-hearted comments taking up for Miu is abhorent

[@phiakate]

@@RobbieAmerican no, some people understand that he was surrounded, ganged up on by drugged up drunk big arse males of his same height, goading and calling him the most appalling thing and he reacted.

[@rockstarofredondo]

@@RobbieAmericanwhat is abhorrent is believing a man should just lay down and die because a mob of zoomers decided to jump him in water.

[@Fausto410]

@@RobbieAmericancope harder snowflake

[@MM-ci2cv]

@@phiakate maybe, just maybe he shouldn't have gone up to them and stayed around them and punched a woman and cause it to escalate so much, but his (the fat old violent drunk) ego got butt hurt because some kids called him names......

[@777awesomenessable]

One question. If Miu genuinely believed he was acting in stuff defense, why would he lie about what really happened? Why would he try to leave the scene? He knew he did something wrong.

[@rec.thecritic]

You seen the other video it was not self defense

[@antony1397]

@@qt-xz4iw Oh shut up boomer, get over it, your kind cant get away with this shit anymore and we're gonna take you all out to pasture if you keep this shit up. Welcome to the new world grandpa.

[@tkt8994]

go listen to the kids testify, they changed their stories more than they changed their clothes

[@zandersmiranda9256]

the same could say about all the witnesses lying in their testimony....you just need to remember this is an all male jurors over 50. The lawyers all need sell it to the jurors and empathy for who and so far yesterday I had no empathy for neither of the teenagers with lies, and they all frustrated and showing anger when they were cornered certainly plays the role of a brat mouthy all had no respect based on the video and how they all were complicit when they all sobbed like cry babies when a lawyer put them to the test. Lately, I have no respect for this new generation of kids never taking accountability, disrespecting people and showing they have no fear. They will likely and hopefully will put themselves in his shoes and if ever one day my father was put in a situation and being called pedophile and how scared sliced some bully kids I will defend him all the way even I myself will go into rage and finish the rest of slicing for him. Don't come for someone especially a defenseless person against 15. All 15 through 20 no one came to diffuse the situation but more got involved an shouted and punched slapped and push is totally unacceptable. They can sit and cry at the stand now but they cant explain each and every person actions on the video how shouting, laughing and taunt a person felt they were in danger or safety.

[@annellfarris9451]

He's a coward.

[@viviendoconedna]

Wow! The level of injuries!.😢

[@Ncohnubno]

This doctor is extraordinary with such a profession. Can’t imagine going home at night after a day of work.

[@noth606]

I think it is a rational disposition, I have seen a bunch of stuff that people I know have hypothesized they wouldn't be able to deal with. I know others who have seen similar things. Not saying there is zero effect, but it's less than you'd imagine, and to you get used to it. The people I've spoken to about it in detail who have had no such experience had a hard time imagining how it would be to not have sleepless nights over it and thought I have to be some sort of psycho... Maybe, hehe, but if so then society needs psychos, someone has to be able to do the "nasty stuff" right? For clarity, I used to be in the military, as were the others I know who have seen messed up stuff. By 'stuff' etc I mean extreme injuries, dead bodies, you get the idea. I wouldn't go look for that kind of thing, nor do I think the people I know would, but in the military things happen where you end up seeing things and experiencing things that are very far from what you would normally otherwise. I have seen people go bananas from it but it's very rare.

[@terrimoore541]

The defense attorney is trying to sound smarter than everybody else, and it just makes him look more stupid

[@Damian-cd2tj]

He was just clarifying concepts, what part made him look stupid in particular? These are the lawyers that made Rittenhouse walk free, they are not amateurs, probably it’s you?

[@lilaworley8935]

I've said this a few times in other videos but reading some of these comments implores me to say it again.... Theres a reason he is called a defendant and ALL those other people are referred to as the *victims* by the investigators and prosecution. "I heard there was a stabbing and I fit the description?" Yes sir. You calmly walked away and threw the knife. Guilty. I've been following this trial from day one and have watched the video evidence multiple times frame by frame. Watch it in Slow motion. More than a couple times. Listen to the witness testimony without bias about teenagers or your *perceptions* of this being self defense. Paint the picture like a logical human adult: Groups of people are floating in the water. Random strange man keeps coming way too close for comfort to a group of 17 year old KIDS. (at 17 we are not emotionally or even physically developed so save the idea these were fully matured human beings) He keeps getting close and acting strange and not saying anything. As the group of boys starts to get loud and rowdy and heckle him... This drinking man rushed at them and put hands on the boys. Another random group... A family...of adults...including a man that is older... is witnessing this and the women go over to try to assert boundaries and tell this weird man to respect people's personal space and get away from the rowdy teens. ANOTHER group is also witnessing it and feels the man is weird and out of line as well. EVERYONE including the man...his friends and wife...the teenagers and the family group and a group of younger adults in the water- have had some beers or alcohol. Including the defendant as testified by his wife who also said he drinks daily after work (you have to listen to the testimony). HE struck a woman in the face. THEN he was pushed down. HE was aggressive and intimidating. HE left the scene. He wasn't scared.... He walked away. Watch his face in slow motion. Look at his eyes and body posture. He wanted to use his knife. He had it out before anyone pushed him. He left. Got rid of evidence. Lied to the authorities. If he was SO scared... Why didn't he run to them and tell them what happened. You haven't studied this case and video frame by frame...If all you see is "disrespectful teenagers". When this man gutted someone that wasn't even in the group of teens. This wasn't self defense. What's crazy is trying to justify what this man did BEFORE any of them put hands on him. He was disorderly and totally crossing the line. Then ran away and lied. People that have a justified self defense case... Don't walk away and hide the weapon. Put this man in prison. He's not right in the head.

[@davidmontoya1400]

That’s exactly what I saw, but everybody makes judgment on their emotions.

[@davidmontoya1400]

Most based perspective rite here👆🏽

[@thamarvalousone5433]

And smirking as he got ready!!!

[@lilaworley8935]

@@thamarvalousone5433 yes. When we watch the video frame by frame ... The look in his eyes is chilling. He's calculated. He enjoyed using that knife. And he's lying. Over and over through the interrogation. He's a terrible human... A drunk toxic kind of man. I look forward to the guilty verdict.

[@ruthd7274]

I am of the opinion that it is not murder in the first degree either.

[@deenak79]

It's disturbing in the depth of destruction one person caused upon 5 people,,,

[@calvinsmyth]

It is mind-boggling why 13 teens found the need to harass & attack 1 old man.

[@ghostmantis1068]

​@calvinsmyth Yeah a grown man trying to press some kids then gets his feelings hurt and comes back for revenge and ends up killing one..

[@StruggleBus_Captain]

@@calvinsmyth In his interrogation he admits to investigators that he has a heart condition and that he is not in the best shape, yet he walks into a veritable lions den, smacks a lion and the lions pounce and you blame the lions. What if the lions were Hel's Angels? I ask this because you and others would have us believe that these people that Miu approached were dangerous. Why did Miu not retreat from this danger? It didn't just happen upon him. He happened upon it.

[@shirleyperry3170]

@@calvinsmyth, He came there looking for trouble……it’s obvious, because who brings a weapon to go tubing??

[@TonyR-u6h]

​@@ghostmantis1068damm right

[@bigdogpete43]

There are reasons why doctors hate lawyers. This is one.

[@Damian-cd2tj]

Which question was not reasonable to you? They seemed reasonable. The lawyer wanted to clarify that the doctor wasn’t ruling it out a homicide in legal terms, it’s appropriate since the jury doesn’t necessarily know what the doctor can opine on.

[@marv5078]

I know multiple doctors. none of them hate lawyers. what are you refering to exactly?

[@GoddessTheOldeGodd]

Is he Military? He knew exactly where to stab the kids to kill them. That heart /lung strike and the other boy he gutted! Stabbing him then dragging the knife upwards TO KILL HIM! He wanted to kill them. He was not afraid for his life because he got punched by two 16/17 year old boys! He was angry and wanted to teach them a deadly lesson. Then he ran and changed clothes like a coward! Pretending he had no idea what was going on down river. He KNEW he was wrong and that it WASN'T self defense. He could've easily stuck them in the leg and that would've stopped them. He wanted to kill those kids!! The strength he used with that little knife to do all that damage was very purposeful.

[@itmaster3805]

Have you every been surrounded by DRUNK, screaming, yelling, threatening teen agers while standing in 3 ft of water after being hit/knocked down on your back and hit again? Think you would fear for your life???? Why didnt those young men back off after hitting him??? That scene was headed towards LORD OF THE FLIES

[@thebrocialist8300]

I was almost surprised by the stupidity of your comment until I clicked your profile and saw how you look/talk/behave. It all makes perfect sense now.

[@shannonhawkins3296]

GUILTY!

[@maryswanson9982]

@@itmaster3805 Most adults would walk away. They know how to handle drunk, obnoxious teenagers. They don’t hit girls who are mouthing off and calling names. That’s what started it. Then, it turned into mob mentality. Look how quickly it flared up.

[@coriinc2650]

@@itmaster3805 First of all, why are they charging him with 1st degree murder? If they were going to charge him with anything it should have been manslaughter. Personally I don't think he did anything wrong. Those kids were drunk and high and probably thought it was fun to bully Mr. Miu. I don't trust those drunken kids for anything. I think they are covering each others asses. I would have been scared if a bunch of drunk people were surrounding me. And another thing, Why would Mr. Miu say he was looking for little girls? It doesn't make any sense. Those kids are feeling guilty because they were the cause of all this.

[@lisafarrell5996]

This guy is so much smarter than the defense attorney and he let him know it.

[@Outdoorsguy1212]

He still going to be found not guilty.

[@lisafarrell5996]

@Outdoorsguy1212 no he is not.

[@lisafarrell5996]

@@Outdoorsguy1212 kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZCkiXqHZdh-a9Usi=ign6FfXoljs1pBnQ

[@gumbodance]

​@@Outdoorsguy1212he'll be guilty

[@Nesquick1121]

@@lisafarrell5996 yes he is 100% ill leave this here to laugh in your face at your ignorance in life

[@whogothere369]

I know it's his job, but I can't believe how the defense lawyer is trying to discredit the testimony.

[@poboxchristmas380]

yeah, it's almost like he's doing his job like lawyers do in every other trial ever. Crazy!!!!

[@zebradun7407]

It is his job to defend his client and legally he is right to do such. It is a jury to determine intent and whether it is murder or a homicide self defense. I believe both parties could have prevent this by simply being polite and rational. But, Mui struck to kill and he hit targets designed to kill.

[@kyleanderson2949]

It’s all he’s got. Discredit and distract from facts of the case

[@yolandawilson6619]

The last person you want to attempt discredit is the medical person that actually worked on the person especially if you don't have credible info to counter the medical person's testimony ​@poboxchristmas380

[@adriannabcustomfurniture]

I find it crazy when they attack the doctors and people with MEDICAL degrees ... especially ones that have been working for almost their entire life in the medical field and are more than qualified. Lawyers act like they know more than the people who have degrees in other fields 😂 makes me laugh sometimes. When it comes to medicine, it's FACTS. They don't base their "opinion" on feelings 🤷‍♀️ they come to their conclusion because of the facts and what they see in front of them. Boggles my mind when they try to put people smarter than them down.

[@whogothere369]

Now he's trying to say that Isaac was "moving toward the knife" !? The defense is really reaching here to say that it was self defense. If you know someone has a knife pointed at you I don't think you are going to move toward it

[@poboxchristmas380]

not a reach at all. Watch the video, Isaac charges Miu and has his hands on his throat. Ask yourself this, what sent Miu flying backwards landing on his rear in the river? The evidence supports the claim.

[@MariaLopez-mi4ol]

You have the right to defend yourself when attacked ESP by a gang of drunk teenagers.

[@itmaster3805]

only if you see it. Isaac had a blood alcohol level 2 1/2 times legal driving limit. I doubt Isaac expected and old guy in a river was going to fight back. Isaac made poor choices

[@innocentbystander8038]

He was. He ran at Miu and slapped or shoved him. Probably attempting to push him into the water again. Whether his reaction was justified is another thing, but Isaac was the agent of his own demise.

[@Crimson11100]

They didn't know he had a knife at first, they realised once they saw people incapacitated. They thought he was punching, that's why they kept moving towards Miu.

[@oneofmanymacs]

Dr Froloff was amazing and did not deserve the defense trying to discredit him.

[@anneamus]

Being "taunted" or offended does NOT justify 5 attempted murders.

[@triciac1019]

You didn't watch the video. The full-length video begins with them shouting that Miu said he was looking for little girls. The guy filming testified that Miu was looking for his cell phone. Big difference. His friends joined in shouting, calling him a perv, a pedophile and other names. They cussed at him. They surrounded him, not letting him get back to his group. They got others to join in with them, shouting, taunting, pushing him down into the rocks in the water repeatedly. They hit him repeatedly, slapped him, got in his face screaming obscenities. Even young adult ladies that were not part of the original group joined in with the verbal and physical assault. Two men sent there by their father to help Miu then joined in with the teens and others, instead of helping him as their father asked them to do. The father testified that he was concerned for Miu's safety because he was surrounded by young adults that were harrassing him and assaulting him. It was a mob mentality. They were closely surrounding Miu and physically and verbally assaulting him, and not letting him leave. One even flew at him, choking him. He flew into Miu's knife. It's in the video that his hands were around Miu's neck and how he propelled himself into Miu's knife. Miu was examined by a nurse who examines assault victims. He sustained six abrasions on his back. A noticeable injury to the back of his head. The inside of his mouth was cut from being slapped/hit repeatedly. He had rock injuries to his rear end from being shoved into the water. He had injuries to his hand from being kicked. He would have been killed as we saw from him being choked. They were a wild pack of hyenas. 13 against one. All he was doing was looking for his friend's phone and these original six knew it. They could have either helped him look for it, or just left. They chose instead to make up a horrible story, escalate it to verbal and physical assault with the intent to kill. Instead they all got their friend killed and another was gutted. Three others were stabbed. For absolutely no reason. Watch the full-length video.

[@davidmontoya1400]

Iat which point did they will not let him get back to his group? Who through the first punch? He pulled out the knife before he was even pushed! And he stabbed five people! Was it necessary to stab all five of them? He went up to them didn’t say a word and started pushing them around. Didn’t say excuse me I’m looking for something. They were both in the wrong but he took it way too far! He got slapped and murdered someone and then stabbed four others

[@dafonkphenomenal7752]

Yes it does

[@dafonkphenomenal7752]

Yes it does

[@NathanCalloway-x4c]

Disparity of force, look it up

[@kimberlymoore818]

There's no way that man only had a little old pocket knife with wounds like he caused .. He butchered a couple of those kids

[@rosaliamartinez313]

Unfortunately true

[@younggurlbeer8849]

The entire video shows only the one pocket knife It doesn't look that small in my opinion But human skin and tissue is very soft like butter when up against something so sharp and you also have force against the knife which would only make it worse

[@Blabette]

It was a regular folding camping knife.

[@SolidRock008]

What are you talking about? Lol

[@sylviasull]

They were also bare skinned. I suspect even a single layer may have added friction or hampered aim

[@lynettekrick2324]

Two ribs transcended and 3 inch incision, Miu may have had a bypass but he was obviously not frail or weak especially with adrenaline. So the defense can't say anything about his fragilty based on that autopsy. And if he was worried about how frail he was, he wouldn't have stood his ground against fit teens and adults. And I am loving this gentleman's voice and accent. It sounds like having to come here and start over would've been difficult but he the achieved so much. Wow. Glad to have you and your expertise in our Country Sir. 💜🎶💜

[@kimcrouse3236]

I believe he said 3.9 inch..almost that would be 4 inches...js..he definitely had it stuck in him all way to handle

[@wolke1955]

​@@kimcrouse3236💔😭

[@GoddessTheOldeGodd]

Notice how the Doctor looked the prosecutor in the eyes when speaking, but he's so disgusted with the ignorant questions of the defense attorney he doesn't even want to look at him!!

[@mariaelenaarata303]

I’m sure the good doctor has been thru this type of cross examination before

[@Andrea-e4r8y]

This !

[@Laura_H_]

A 10cm long stab wound that is 11 cm deep is not self-defense, especially when made with a small knife. Miu gutted that poor boy. Miu stabbed Isaac with so much force that his rib bones were cut. Isaac was murdered. The way the defence lawyer spoke to this expert was awful, he tried to discredit him. Dr Froloff answered concisely and calmly, he was a wonderful witness. Thank you Dr Froloff, I am so glad you corrected the defence lawyer when he referred to Isaac as an object. Thank you for taking care of Isaac's body and showing him respect. I truly hope Isaac gets the justice he deserves and he can rest in peace 🙏

[@HappyEagle-rh2bl]

I see you’ve deleted the dissenting replies

[@HappyEagle-rh2bl]

See. I’m smarter than that. Hello Laura . Hopefully this comment goes through

[@Laura_H_]

@HappyEagle-rh2bl I haven't deleted any replies. As far as I know replies can't be deleted 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@rainbows9060]

​@@Laura_H_oh they can!

[@Laura_H_]

@rainbows9060 I can delete and edit my own comments, I can't delete other people's comments though. Maybe KZbin deletes them, but I haven't deleted anything and my opinion on the Apple River case hasn't changed. Thank you for replying 😊

[@jennifervawter7737]

If those kids would have seen him with the knife they would have backed off , unfortunately they never saw it coming until they were stabbed. 😢

[@sniffiejoe9370]

😆😆😆😆😆😆

[@illypony]

@@sniffiejoe9370please stay away from young people

[@wolke1955]

Jennifer7737 From 🇩🇪 I wished they would have known about the knife 😢🔪😰💔

[@wolke1955]

​@@sniffiejoe9370Shame of your fun you feel about this tragedy🤢🤬

[@basicleighdisney5643]

I honestly think they would've tried to get it away from him because of their behavior. It was going to end badly no matter what.

[@genevievegenevieve5205]

Devastating 😢

[@michaelbuchner2371]

Defense just lost the jury.

[@yl7495]

I hope so. I hope the jury is smarter than half the people commenting on these videos so far. It’s disheartening that half these people still believe Miu acted in self-defense even after all the video evidence.

[@LYVwithLYN]

​@@yl7495 they are not interested in evidence.

[@wolke1955]

​@@yl7495🎯🏆🙏🙏🙏

[@_Circus_Clapped_]

@@yl7495 the jury refuses to identify themselves post trial, clearly they were the dumbest they could gather and on top of that they knew they were wrong

[@lindalowrie]

Love how this doctor explained the death and said it was homicide ❤

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

Why? That's obviously what happened. Homicide isn't illegal if you have a defense but you still call it a homicide.

[@E_Legal_Alien]

Do you equate homicide with murder? And why the stupid heart emoji? How old are you?

[@Andrea-e4r8y]

🙏🙏

[@jnnlis]

Homicide simply means that the death was caused by another person. It has no legal or culpability implications.

[@sungazer454]

Also these flat bread brained horny crime chicks here, hilarious.

[@rochellestarr9538]

17 of us watching in the legal profession all agree:We have seen a defense attorney blame the victim for their own murder(injuries) but we have NEVER seen a defense attorney blame them for the extent of their injuries and imply that several people intentionally hurled themselves at a knife!!!A jury should be repulsed by that !

[@BongzillaBrutus]

If your a defense attorney who's been a public pretender than you've almost certainly railroaded people who've only pled out to charges to be set free that day due to your lack of effort and getting too comfortable with our joke of a system. If I hadn't screwed up myself so many times on top of being charged under BS charges by BS small town cops I wouldn't have known how terrible our system and courts are but I finally started reading Gilbert's and doing my own research and I learned real fast how fucked it all really is. The fact that that your an attorney and this is your view on the case tells me your a shit attorney. You've definitely failed to read into your clients case files or to connect with them to give them the best possible outcome.

[@nathanielovaughn2145]

💯 my impression as well. Defense counsel has been abhorrent. I'm unsure if that reflects their incompetence, desperation, or both!

[@bobthetitanic]

If you're lunging at someone who is unbalanced because you decided to attack someone for zero reason and happen to get stabbed what would you call it?

[@madmaninoregon]

"17 of us watching in the legal profession all agree" LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

[@stevenprice6957]

17 of you hey. He was just stating facts that this 10cm wound could be caused by a person lunging into it. In other words it may not be an Anthony Perkins Norman Bates style stabbing. The male that got killed, had him by the throat with 12 others surrounding him in a pack of wolves style circle. Maybe ask the 17 of you what you would do in those circumstances? Oh forget that as you wouldn’t know what you would do, as none of you have been surrounded by a pack like that before and been beaten down. You are also not him, so you wouldn’t know anything about anything.

[@lindaashmore1246]

The lawyer is an ass talking to him like he is an idiot .. and thatbis not good toward his client

[@lisafarrell5996]

Yes but this doctor outsmarted him and didn't take his BS.

[@itmaster3805]

you dont watch much court hearings

[@anneamus]

Raise your hand if you stabbed/disemboweled a rude teenager because you were offended?

[@ashleyorourke2367]

Comment of the trial 🤣

[@Outdoorsguy1212]

The teenager with his hands around his neck?

[@eyang7]

Only offended? And did you even watch the video? 🤦

[@williammora88]

You mean after they attacked him?

[@gabriellasanz6378]

So you’re going to permanently erase the part in the video where they were pushing and hitting him in the face etc

[@justinewilson1740]

That was disgusting cross examination. To hound that medical examiner and blame the victim implying he thrust his self towards the knife is as low as you can go. Shame on him. They wonder why lawyers get a bad wrap.

[@soupnfresh]

Lmao. Go to college.

[@NEVECcommand]

@soup what does college have to do with any of this?

[@ManofLowMoralFiber]

The zoomers are on video literally punching the knife with their abdomens.

[@ronaldturner4849]

Yes, the perp was just standing there holding a knife as the teenagers thrust their bodies at a stationary man! One woman threw herself at his clenched fist. The other threw herself on his knife.

[@triciac1019]

There is video evidence of exactly that happening. Miu was standing there with the knife close to his body. The so-called victim flew at him and had his hands at Miu's neck. Miu at that time leaned backwards some to get away from him and at the same time, the teen flew into Miu's knife. It's clear as can be.

[@francesmoore5789]

This defence attorney is horrendous. Trying to say Isaac was falling into the knife and caused his own injuries. Had there been no knife there would have been no stab wounds, five people were stabbed, I’d say none of them was moving towards that knife, the guy is a murderer in my eyes.

[@sserpentchic1342]

Had there been no drunk aggressors, there'd be no need for self defense and no knife would have ever come out. Issac was no innocent victim. He was a POS bully who assaulted and choked someone for no reason. Miu acted in self defense, and this certainly isn't first degree homicide. If atal anything, manslaughter at most...but I think the jury will see through the BS of all those unreliable prosecutionwitnesses.

[@janicep1508]

There is a still frame that shows exactly that. Try to keep up.

[@williammora88]

That's the defense attorneys job lol. It's almost like he's trying to do to defend his client and it's almost like if the young men didn't approach and attack him while drunk and high like this would not have happened 🤔

[@lcweave2016]

I agree. That monster of a man gutted those young adults like a fish. Horrifying. If this guy gets off it will be a complete and utter lack of justice for the injured and the deceased person.

[@itmaster3805]

@@lcweave2016 Have you every been surrounded by DRUNK, screaming, yelling, threatening teen agers while standing in 3 ft of water after being hit/knocked down on your back and hit again? Think you would fear for your life???? Why didnt those young men back off after hitting him??? That scene was headed towards LORD OF THE FLIES

[@deraldketels8411]

if this man was so afraid he had a lot of opportunities to walk or run instead of killing and maiming unarmed people.

[@jacquelinesoat4824]

He did not. The teens could have left anytime.

[@brentj.peterson6070]

Ganged up on him

[@yl7495]

He was so afraid that, instead of continuing with walking away, he chose to turn around and walked back to the gang of “bullies”. It’s because he had intent to kill at that point.

[@Andrea-e4r8y]

@@yl7495this !

[@NuChad2011]

He walked away... remembered he had his knife. He then walked back and provoked a girl on an inner tube... then pulled his knife and murdered 2 people and stabbed everyone in his reach. They brought AJ back twice. Issac didn't have a chance. Mui is a murderer.

[@freshfritz4649]

I'm sorry I ever stumbled onto this case. I hope anyone involved can find peace.

[@ms.g-j8524]

Same👀👀 MEOW is BAT shyt crazy and thank the lord for Juwahn for recording the creep. I hope this murderer spends the rest of his LIFE IN PRISON. For any that beg to differ welcome him to your neighborhood around your kids! THIS trial is a Horror movie≈ FREDDY KREUGER IN REAL TIME.

[@GillyMac]

​@@ms.g-j8524I agree without the video it would have been a very different case

[@prefab8397]

​@ms.g-j8524 I wouldn't want those "adults" randomly insulting or mobbing people in my neighborhood, you can have them. I stand with the defendant.

[@prefab8397]

​@@ms.g-j8524one more thing, Juwahn was the one that started the whole mess in the first place. Going off calling someone minding they own business a pedophile. Inciting a mob that got his "bestfriend" killed. Go ahead and have those people and the kids they raise in your neighborhood. Terrifying

[@cherisallen]

The law states that force met with equal force is considered a reasonable defense. once that force is met with a higher or unreasonable force, that is considered not a defense. Which means: If he was punched and then he punched back he would be in the right of defense. But because he met a punch and then recipcated that with a knife he changed the force of interaction. And that becomes a non equal opportunity defense. So he is guilty. He changed his intentions of defense against a threat to an assault to mame or kill.

[@janicep1508]

So if thee big guys punch a 15 yr old girl to the ground. she can't shoot them, she can only hit them back? Are you serious? Stopping the threat is the standard.

[@cherisallen]

@@janicep1508 again I reiterate equal force. Use your brain.

[@jacquelinesoat4824]

@@cherisallen Use yours. A 55-year-old man attacked by a football team of drunk jerks can only use his fist> Hope you face the same thing someday and make your choice..

[@seeno1]

This was not a case of mutual combat where one person punches another. This was him being assaulted by multiple people, while also being in the water. If you’re being jumped there’s certainly a possibility of serious bodily injury or death, no? He is justified in responding with deadly force to defend himself.

[@sarahmurphy8030]

​@@seeno1..He did lung at them first and throw the first hit which makes him the aggressor 🤷‍♀️

[@kathleenclement1406]

Why wasn't mr Miu asked why he didn't call the police after all the stabbings ?...he said he threw away the knife and went and joined his friends...and then they said he went to a restaurant?. .HE had to have know he had just stabbed 6 young people in the stomach.... literally life threatening.... HE knew he meant to kill or harm the most he could.. 😮 WOW 😳.. and just join his family and friends?.. is he mentally off?

[@ms.g-j8524]

Clearly the guy is BAT shyt crazy. Bottomline. LIFE NO PAROLE!

[@Bink316]

He's a classic sociopath. No guilt, empathy or remorse.

[@annettedeering127]

So you think he went there planning on killing someone?

[@kathleenclark815]

It was 5 people. And no he didn't go to a restaurant. He was apprehended at the scene

[@basicleighdisney5643]

He was probably in shock.

[@bluefenixalchemy7]

Very shape blade against soft flesh, cuts deep and fast. The video shows the quick jabs, some defense attorneys are such slime balls

[@Outdoorsguy1212]

Despite your opinions of the defense attorneys It’s still appears to be justified homicide and a self defense case.

[@bluefenixalchemy7]

@@Outdoorsguy1212 nice try, says a lot about your moral stance as well as he had a chance to walk away and did not. He made no attempt to flee, or show his weapon, regardless of your lack of deduction skills, it was not justified to kill, when he did not even attempt to disengage or remove himself from the "threst"

[@Nesquick1121]

you've never stabbed someone eh?

[@Nesquick1121]

you've never made the action and i can tell naive LOL

[@xXxtoodeeepxXx]

​@bluefenixalchemy7 yeah the people justifying how he handled the situation are the last people I would trust

[@sashagarcia6205]

RIP to the victim he was so young and full of life, God be with his family

[@anthonyrose2232]

Ummm … what ? Victim ? 😅 he fuckin attacked the guy, how is he a victim 😅

[@mojaveliz]

​@@anthonyrose2232 bc he's dead. He died almost instantly. The defendant was the only one who was able to walk away that day

[@kathleenclark815]

​@@anthonyrose2232Issac absolutely did not. Didn't name call either. Only thing he did was push him away from himself

[@thoranonymous3821]

I would be in definite fear for my life especially if I had a quadruple bypass knowing I have a heart condition and if I was out of shape as well trying my best to stay calm but yet get abused and ridiculed for what against narcissistic toxic abusive young adults who clearly have a lack of respect for adults.. I'm sorry but I think those young adults that were on drugs and alcohol need to go to prison as well for drunk and disorderly as a minor also under the influence of narcotics which I bet the parents gave them...I want to know how the hell they got the alcohol, drugs I know they can get off the street but alcohol ...only someone with a valid ID can get alcohol.

[@kathleenclark815]

@@thoranonymous3821 Can't reply to someone obviously on drugs ...or crazy

[@sheliaharvel]

I just wonder if Miu’s wife is afraid of him. She lied to the police and said he didn’t have a knife. He’s very controlling in my opinion. I just wonder if he has stabbed anyone before in the past.

[@poboxchristmas380]

do you wonder about the criminal history of the people who attacked Miu as well? Have they been in mobs beating people before?

[@audreyandlinCompany]

If there was a history the judge would've thrown it out because it would bias the jury.

[@thebrocialist8300]

He has no criminal history. Has plenty of friends that all vouch for his character. The fact you want to ascribe all these antisocial characteristics to this guy speaks to your low intelligence and bias. You’re at the same cognitive level as the drunken teens in the video. (They at least had the excuse of being intoxicated and young. What’s your excuse?)

[@pjnix5618]

Well, it’s his EX wife now….

[@loriminnesota]

@@pjnix5618 On paper only to prevent them from losing everything they own over lawsuits.

[@cindynolan77]

Just a pocket knife? I call a Swiss army knife a pocket knife.

[@TonyR-u6h]

Ever see the damage OJ did with a pocket knife

[@Outdoorsguy1212]

Well no one said you were very bright and he did take the knife out of his POCKET!!!

[@acat674]

@@Outdoorsguy1212a knife fitting in a pocket doesn’t make it a pocket knife 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@NotaBotZe]

@@acat674 Is it a shoe knife?

[@alexpaulyoungthemuso3937]

​@@acat674if the knife used in the crime is the one that was photographed on the shore in the bushes Then it really looks like a pocket knife

[@rshope1attnet]

It’s EXHAUSTING listening to the attorneys!!! Too much unnecessary information! No wonder our court systems are so backed up! Get a grip!

[@plonkeroni]

they need to cover all the information so the jury can make an informed decision. the trial isn’t for your entertainment, grow up.

[@crackthefoundation_]

​@@plonkeronithis.

[@a.downing2791]

The defense attorney is really grasping at straws. He’s using the ‘Isaac fell into the knife’ defense. Really pathetic.

[@yolandawilson6619]

Exactly bc if he can't say he fell on it bc it makes it an accident with removes the idea of self defense. If he's arguing that he was defending himself, he has to admit that he stabbed people.

[@loug6767]

Exactly,you can clearly see 2 stabbing motions.This guys guilty as sin.

[@pattymelt-go3fv]

I'm not judging I'm just pointing out how the rocky under water substrate of a river bottom is really hard to walk on. All these unevenly shaped slippery rocks....it is in no way flat. And you can't really see where to place your feet because the water's reflections that distort the bottom. But yes its for the jury to decide not me thank God!

[@bonniecreighton4163]

Miu was looking for a fight. NOBODY, "invited" him to approach or join Isaac's group on the river. HE.....took steps to approach them for no reason. Even if Isaac's group shouted comments to him ....Miu could have, and should have simply turned around and walked away and minded his own business. HE was the aggressor.

[@nmm913]

After the initial incident he DID walk away and the boys granted their tubes and followed him and surrounded him and harassed him

[@TheMaestro7777777]

@@nmm913now he will be walking in prison

[@seeno1]

I think he was looking for his friends phone? In which they were in the vicinity.

[@poboxchristmas380]

@@seeno1 Owen (one of the teens) even told the police they approached him first and he said he was looking for a phone. These soft brained commenters don't even watch the trial.

[@GoddessTheOldeGodd]

@@nmm913No they didn't!! He left and then RAN back up river to them grabbing their tubes they are SITTING on all tied together. That's when other adults came to the defense of the kids trying to get him to leave. Then he hit one of the girls in the face. Instead of just leaving like EVERYONE was telling at him to do. No one surrounded him. No one jumped him. Y'all really have cognitive disfunction. Did you watch the whole video? He left and then RAN back to them. Trying to scare them I'm sure.

[@fastwigreviewwithlisabee8598]

any reasonable person who can give a warning, especially in a fight where the opponents are not using any form of weapon could easily give a fair warning about a protective weapon, Then I could see a self-defense claim because he's giving a fair warning. then maybe they would run off and go call a cop or something. But, he had a concealed weapon where he just began stabbing and maiming people as if he had done it before. He intended to hurt all of them regardless of aggravation, he gave the first punch rather than walk away or call for help for himself, the defense is really reaching that the victim pushed himself into a knife while the defendant was pulling the knife away... omg... what a reach almost cartoonish.

[@jacquelinesoat4824]

The weapon is clear in the film. the fact that the adult children were to drunk to see it was the problem.

[@fastwigreviewwithlisabee8598]

@@jacquelinesoat4824 I agree and the weird thing is that he was talking about how he was above the alcohol level but that is if you're drinking and driving who doesn't go enjoy themselves when they're out on a camping trip day trip anywhere next to a river you know

[@poboxchristmas380]

@@jacquelinesoat4824 that's it exactly. They were still cheering the mob on, you can hear it in the video.

[@sophierose4674]

I agree. Baffling how people don't see this 🤡

[@tarrynekellam4147]

I lived my first 20 years by the water. It was our recreation. No-body ever pulled a weapon while swimming. Just saying

[@Alien300Blackout]

6’-1” tall and 134 pounds he’s a toothpick

[@seeno1]

What about the other people who assaulted him?

[@Alien300Blackout]

@@seeno1 He had no injuries his own wife testified to that

[@wor53lg50]

Soy and cabbage eater..

[@poboxchristmas380]

he still charged Miu and grabbed him by the throat.

[@seeno1]

@@Alien300Blackout Injuries aren’t required to justify use of deadly force to defend oneself

[@megans8787]

I just can’t fathom stabbing others with a knife, whom are not with weapons, and it’s real life. No matter what. It was not a war zone, it’s a river tubing event. no excuses or self defense

[@sophierose4674]

agreed. absolutely disturbing the amount of deluded people defending Miu and his deadly actions.

[@Magrand7]

I felt defense was a bit “snarky” in cross examination of this highly qualified physician. Jury frowns on that.

[@dianaleal5183]

Medical personnel has experience in care and treatment this medical examiner is truthful and reliable.

[@alliecollin1748]

DEAR GOD!! Do you have ANY idea of the FORCE required to transect (cut THOUGH!) two RIBS??? This Miu character HAS to have had some sort of military training! Add to that, stabbing upwards in upper abdominal area to strike the diaphragms...another kill strike. Force required to slash open an abdomen?? No WAY self defense, no way!!! 😱😡😡😡

[@jtharp9265]

I agree 100%

[@humansvd3269]

No, the victims went at him.

[@jessestokes6608]

NEVER...I repeat....NEVER attack man who has a knife.....Self defense all the way!

[@jacquelinesoat4824]

You just proved the kid was attacking him as the knife cut him.

[@junedecarlo3604]

He was attacked and retaliated to drunk bullies in SELF DEFENSE!!

[@tracydavis1687]

I've been watching this and have flooded rivers many times. I don't understand why he didn't tell the boys he was looking for a phone. I have had a lot of people tell me they're looking for something in the water and then we all start looking for it. We usually find it. But Nic says nothing!

[@GoddessTheOldeGodd]

This is what I said. If he would've walked up and said, hey guys have you seen a phone? I bet money they would've helped him look or at least continued down river out of his way so he could look. He was acting creepy asf! Not speaking. All up in their tied together tubes. He probably was up there looking at the girls! Let's be real. The truth hurt his feelings. The defense made up the phone shit later to explain why he left his group to go harass some teenagers up river.

[@Andrea-e4r8y]

This !!

[@elizabethcaponigro]

He did tell them he was looking for a phone. They then flipped it and said he was looking for little girls and started calling him a pedo because they were all drinking and thought it was funny.

[@berlin990]

He did try and explain, Madison screamed over him and didn’t listen.

[@elisaa1620]

Teenagers ages ranging from 18-19-20 year olds regardless if they were drunk loud obnoxious why did he not leave? Miu found himself in the wrong place in the wrong time BUT volunteered he could have walked away. In the video shows him waving someone over while Maddison and the other two brothers were in front of him WHO? With his hand up and extended head looking over the other two boys he was beckoning someone over THAT THERE SAYS A LOT.. Mr. Miu was NOT afraid!! Stabbed and killed a young skinny non threatening 17 year old boy!! Guilty GUILTY!

[@Beautiful_Days9249]

His grinning as he didnt say anything with knife in hand tells everything that happened in his head. He contemplated his position before he stabbed people without ever walking away when the kids told him to leave them alone. His grin says he is not afraid at all of having to be in defense of himself at all. He is guilty of 1st degree. Without that video it would could have been 2nd degree.

[@sophierose4674]

100% !

[@Xandreta]

Agree with you 100%. For him to say on the stand that that was not a smile, that that’s how he looks when confused and in fear, made me so angry. I think it’s like you said, the premeditation happened right then and there.

[@Ice-FoxXx]

Isaac was butchered.......

[@4y564]

good, dont attack old men if you dont want to be

[@BlushingAngels]

MN apparently has some great medical staff, I am very impressed w/all of them, including the MD Surgeon, this forensic Pathologist, the RN's, EMT's, etc. As far as this defense attorney, he disgusts me! In watching him, throughout the trial, he continues to pose duplicate questions, try to intimidate anyone he's speaking to, etc.; hoping the jury makes the right decision and justice is served for Isaac, AJ, and the other 3 people that were stabbed and all of their loved ones. Miu should have walked away, and he had every opportunity to do so. He is GUILTY! Condolences to Isaac's family & loved ones. Such a horrific tragedy and you're all in my thoughts and prayers for comfort & strength.

[@Fivedayzcraze]

Mn has the best hospitals in my opinion

[@melindashenker3075]

Praying for every person involved in this horrible situation.Let us take the time to ask God to help us walk away,help us lord to stop ,think of our love ones, backup and turn away,give us the strength that we need to be the bigger person ,Then is when we really win and can give God all the glory.Amen.

[@flourishingspirits3393]

Why didn’t the stabler call for police if he felt he was being ‘attacked’?

[@Outdoorsguy1212]

He didn’t have a phone. Ding Dong.

[@michelemarie7777]

He hopped back in his inner tube🤯shame on his friends The one guy in the red white blue shorts from his group saw what was happening!!!!!!!!

[@boltvanderhuge8711]

Do you not even know what this case is about? The had lost his phone in the water and approached a group young people to ask if they had seen it. They immediately started harassing him and then surrounded him and started straight up assaulting him physically. He literally did not do anything until that point.

[@NotaBotZe]

I often snorkel in 10" of clear water to search for a missing phone.

[@LaceyLace_]

😅😅

[@itmaster3805]

you obviously have never been on or in a river , rocks have crevasses, water surface reflects the blinding sun, its a wide river. Clearly you are ignorant

[@GetCraftyLemons]

What's weird is why go all the way up river right near teenagers and not saying anything. He was creepy. He should have continued walking instead of charging back at boys grabbing their tubes and legs.

[@itmaster3805]

@@GetCraftyLemons your comments leave out much of the details on video. They floated DOWNSTREAM towards him as he was looking for the phone. Go rewatch the BEGINNING of the video. Look how horribly bad they acted and yelled, taunted and approached him.

[@GetCraftyLemons]

I'm watching Miu's interrogation in jail, and OMG he is telling so many effin lies it's unreal!! And, people have been commenting that he wasn't drinking or only had a couple of beers...BS. He states at the beginning of this when Leutinant asks if he needs water, he is so thirsty from drinking beers all day on the river!!! He is a murderer...period!!!!

[@kristenpayne2838]

Is anyone else just blown away at the senselessness of this day’s violence? As the mother of a 17 yr old boy, this strikes a little closer to home than comfortable 🥺🤦‍♀️🙏 I can’t imagine any situation worth killing over. And with a river full of witnesses, what exactly was he hoping to accomplish? Alcohol. 😬🙄🤦‍♀️

[@erin.v.m657]

You can't imagine any situation worth killing over ? And you're supposedly a mother ? Geesh....what a failure you must be.

[@ConsciousConversations]

Why did Miu never say to these kids, I don’t want any trouble? Back up. I have a knife and I’m trained to use it? There was ample time.

[@StruggleBus_Captain]

yep.

[@seeno1]

Like say that when he started walking away, or while he was being assaulted?

[@SS11660]

Or just walk away and call cops if be felt threatened but be stayed.

[@lisajaenicke6203]

Once he hit Madison, which I believe he did, AJ tried to “detain him” to stop the chaos…He could have thrown himself down to tackle him, but he didn’t, he wasn’t attacking him.

[@lisajaenicke6203]

Miu started to walk away with no one in front of him but stopped and turned around. Why didn’t he just go?

[@audreyandlinCompany]

I'm wondering what's with the Prosecuter that he doesn't object when the Defense is leading the AME to speculate on how the wound occured. But I also wonder if he will wait until the end to point out that no one could see the knife and Miu never told them he had one.

[@Faretheewell608]

Who called the AME? The prosecution. The defense can lead.

[@audreyandlinCompany]

@@Faretheewell608 What? That's the Assistant Medical Examiner. Not a Forensic Investigator. He's not supposed to speculate on hypotheticals.

[@E_Legal_Alien]

@@audreyandlinCompany prosecution opened the door.

[@audreyandlinCompany]

@@E_Legal_Alien Opened the door to what? The AME told him that's not what he does yet the defense keeps asking him to speculate. Why is it not badgering in this case?

[@fman4234]

Two ribs were “completely cut.” The wound was over four inches deep. That’s some serious effort by Miu to cause damage - not just “self defense” to keep a kid away. Brutal stabbing!

[@poboxchristmas380]

that's impact

[@CarrieV9]

According to the defense and the killers supporters, Miu was a feeble, ill old man. No one is buying it.

[@poboxchristmas380]

@@CarrieV9 so they faked his heart surgery?

[@fman4234]

@@poboxchristmas380 His past surgery is a moot point. We see that he looks just fine in these vids - he's even running in the water for crissake! Ya gotta agree to that PO. He, at 250, surely looks like a strong guy.

[@queenbeedat8726]

It could show a surge of adrenaline

[@kodie4337]

These defense attorneys are sickening . Trying to get the medical examiner to say basically it’s the victims fault the wound is over 4 inches deep cause the victim was moving towards the knife. How in the hell do these people sleep at night? Disgusting the make me wanna vomit

[@sarahwells1468]

Yes! I’ve been so horrified by them. I watch a lot of trials and these guys are so sleazy. Watching them cross on AJ who died a few times and is a miracle to be alive was so ick. They are horrible.

[@bencefra111]

Defense is trying to use the old, he hit my fist with his face defense

[@sarahwright4370]

I dread the damn questions coming from the lawyer for the old man who the lawyer believes using a knife and killing someone and doing damage to others is not guilty of doing anything wrong.

[@phiakate]

that pesky self defence law.

[@HillbillyHippie530]

It’s called self defense and if he felt his life was in danger because a mob of young men came after him then it is self defense. You should watch the video

[@donuts411]

You can't leave a situation and then come back and kill someone and claim it was self defense.

[@acat674]

@@HillbillyHippie530you didn’t watch the full video if you think you’re making a point 🤭

[@HillbillyHippie530]

@@acat674 I guess those kids learned a valuable lesson called Fuck around and find out.

[@nathalieethier6552]

He was murdered

[@nancyvickers2814]

Self defense - a 245 pound adult male armed with a knife claiming to be afraid of a 135 pound unarmed teenager.

[@humansvd3269]

Umm, it was multiple teens who hit him and they were fit and they hit and knocked him down multiple times.

[@williammora88]

You missed the part where they are athletes and there were 13 of them around him...knocked him towards the water, hit hit a couple more times, pushed back down from the back only to get hit again before defending himself

[@jacquelinesoat4824]

13 young aggressive football player sized teens and 20's. watch it All before you speak

[@seeno1]

135 lbs? 7th graders?

[@jessestokes6608]

What's the ,matter with you? There was an angry, violent mob attacking one man.....I don't care how much he weighs. He was definitely in danger. What would you have done to protect yourself from these drunken animals? Your reaction is knee jerk and NOT accountable to anything in any way.

[@nancyhamby4035]

You don't stab ppl for behaving badly. PERIOD.

[@holidayarmadillo8653]

The defense just seem bad at their job. Obnoxious attitude for no reason…

[@sierramade8]

Glad to see rational comments. Some are buying self defense when all observation is Miu came at them would not leave would not talk, then brings out knives and expertly slashed these kids for what calling him names.

[@seeno1]

No for being assaulted by multiple people.

[@atimaatrams1932]

@sierramade8 It looks like you're with the irrational crowd then. It truly baffles me how anyone with any sort of intelligence could watch that video and think it is reasonable to even put this man on trial.

[@sierramade8]

That's Insane dude is a wack job

[@sunshine22723]

he was such a thin guy up against a heavy brut welding a knife. May justice be harsh.RIP sweet boy 💔

[@crimetimeAU]

The old man can cry self defence until the cows come home but he had a deadly weapon and he could have walked away but he chose not to. He was pushed away and he chose to stab kids. Although I don't like what the kids did he is guilty. He stabbed 3 people and 1 died.

[@GoddessTheOldeGodd]

He stabbed five of them.

[@crimetimeAU]

@@GoddessTheOldeGodd 5? Geez. I only heard 1 girl and 2 boys. Yeah he should definitely go to prison. He is not safe for the community if he can do so much damage, claim self defence and not show any remorse for the damage he did.

[@grettagraceland2996]

The weapon went through his ribcage! Two ribs that was a very hard hit.

[@chueysmama2622]

Miu clearly lost his shit and hacked at a group of kids (17-20's IS kids), end of story. No excuse, he could have walked away but he wanted to be the bad ass with a knife. Bye bye.

[@christurner8255]

Sorry for your hurt feelings but 18 is legally an adult. Frequently 17 year olds are charges as adults also. I know what you're getting at. They aren't fully mature but legally they're adults.

[@chueysmama2622]

@@christurner8255 I don't know how old you are or your parental status, I am in my later 50's and am a mother and grandmother. My point is next to a 50 year old 30 is a kid. I am not ignorant, I know the legal adult age, but young is young. Miu could have walked away. If you are under 35, you'll understand one day. If not you may not be a parent yet?

[@christurner8255]

@@chueysmama2622 I'm 44 and my son just turned 20 yesterday and my daughter is 23. My kids are the same age as those kids and I understand, you're right in that way . I'm my early 20s I was also not fully mature, no one is. I don't think the brain even fully develops until 25 but they knew what they were doing was wrong also. I know they're still very immature but I have to assume they knew the difference between right and wrong. They haven't had enough experience to realize how fast things can go wrong especially under the influence. My kids would never act this way but I used this to teach them, just in case, so they never get in a situation like this. I feel for those kids because they are literally the same age as mine but I can't reasonably say that he had no reason to fear for his life. He could have ran away maybe, maybe they would have chased him idk. I've been surrounded by drunks before road rage incident and luckily I was safe in my car and could just drive away.

[@ConGamePro]

I agree. Perhaps he didn’t plan on killing anyone. But it seems to me, that he was prepared and probably lived his life WELCOMING a confrontation where he could utilize his knife skills.

[@HansGruberX1]

​@@chueysmama2622 you see them as Kids in the eyes of a Mother. Im 37 Old and those Adults with Tattoos and big muscles are NO Kids! With 50 Year Old you see a 30 Year old as a Kid? So my 70 Old Mother can see you as a Kid? 😂😂😂

[@terrimoore541]

And if the defense attorney would just shut up!

[@annettedeering127]

But then he wouldn't be defending NM. Defense lawyers' job is to try & throw enough doubt to get their client off. Whether we think it's right or wrong that's how our system works. And I am NOT SAYING Mui is guilty or not. I don't know & I'm thankful I'm not on this jury.

[@colleenbishop7387]

Another cause of the depth of the wound could be a a 250 lb man who wants to teach some pre adult males a lesson, smiling just before mutilating them with a knife. Give me a break. They did nothing that all of us pulled in our lives at the same age. He could have been the adult and walked away😢

[@briankeith7463]

Agree!!! I am in disbelief how many people here are defending this guy, for getting ridiculed by a bunch of teens, then he punches a girl while he's holding the knife. Her friend defends her and rightfully so punched him - he gets pushed a couple of times and he goes on and stabs five, one of them dying and another gutted and nearly died...this guy could have walked away and he stayed, with the knife in his hand because he was getting "yelled at"!?!???

[@MariaLopez-fv2wh]

That defense attorney is a clown

[@ashleyorourke2367]

Sooooo frustrating to listen to. This witness was great though he didn't let the defence attorney back him into a corner....

[@Nesquick1121]

no James L Trash is the clown in the court room dudes a cho-mo

[@ms.g-j8524]

Must be his first case. He sucks... that bald one repd Kyle Rittenhouse

[@jnnlis]

He did well throughout the trial but he seriously botched this cross examination, agreed.

[@sistermaryfrances4480]

I love these people who say the kids are all lying but it's on camera and that man is lying his ass off trying to get the hell out of there before the cops catch him if that's not guilty I don't know what is if you didn't do anything wrong why is he running and hiding the knife and lying to his people

[@KismetandKarma]

What could you possibly object to in regards to autopsy photos?

[@susanbartlett4048]

belly laughing. So true

[@tabbathamichaud7662]

How's defense gonna try to twist and invalidate the assistant medical examiner?!

[@poboxchristmas380]

have you ever seen any trial ever?

[@melissahillyer1119]

That’s his job. It sucks, but that’s truly what he gets paid to do. Question everything, create reasonable doubt, discredit witnesses, get his client cleared of charges. Being a witness kinda sucks. Especially because as a witness you are told to make your testimony understandable at a 7th grade level so all jurors can comprehend your testimony. Not easy to do with a higher science degree. Dr Froloff did a wonderful job in his testimony.

[@sinsemillao]

Damn 6’1” only 135lbs. Homie was skinny. RIP tho Isaac. What a sad situation all around

[@Koraeffect]

I saw plenty of times he could leave. The video of him standing there and just being mocked by a bunch of teens, why didn’t he leave? Who carries a huge knife like that to a lake? 😩

[@kimteague7866]

I’m sorry but looking at these comments so cold and heartless people died and received injuries that will most likely affect them for life. I’m sure Mui regrets if he has compassion, what he did. It was terrible for the taunting I agree but Mr Mimi’s also at fault he could e called the cops too but to joke about these kids being practically gutted. I see nothing but sadness for all. I’m 52 and I still remember being that age

[@keli449]

Taunting and accusing someone of a crime of being a pedophile and a rapist is very disturbing itself.

[@ashleagardenhire191]

Thank you for saying that I have read nothing but bad comments towards those kids it was all wrong period.

[@HillbillyHippie530]

Basically the kids learned a valuable lesson called Fuck around and find out.

[@carolynsumners4915]

@@keli449 it shouldn’t be a death. Sentence and kids should not be gutted for doing it.

[@humansvd3269]

Dude, they started the conflict and surrounded him and hit him.

[@rosemaryhannigan7586]

Wow what a stretch on the part of the defense.

[@jacquelinesoat4824]

Hard to believe the disrespect of all the young people to this man minding his business.

[@poboxchristmas380]

not a stratch at all. It has weight if you review the video

[@yolandawilson6619]

Exactly! If defense was smart, he'd argue that the force was due to fear. Instead he's saying all these people caused their own injuries on Miu's knife. It is not easy to stab thru the chest cavity and ribs.

[@eyvonnetherrien1789]

For a small knife Mui did a lot of damage that would require military training?

[@vinny1883]

Literally going for the "he ran into the knife" defense I see

[@LAtttiful]

" he ran into my knife, He ran into my knife 10 times"

[@kaylahD_ford]

Imagine a man sexually assaulted a woman and used the excuse “she fell onto my penis!!” SMH 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@joeanahunt8092]

The creep thought the boys had the lost phone and charged them and stopped their float and grabbed at the teens and their legs. He was never looking for a phone if he thought the teens had it and He was looking for a fight and refused to leave and punched one woman and stabbed another before them teens ever jumped him. He is a proud killer who lies and was drunk too.

[@rachelsteinfeld3571]

Exactly! It was a nice try for him to act all sweet when seeing a picture of his "baby" (dog) when on the stand too.... I hope the jury sees through his bs!

[@LTV_inc]

The creeps here are the children calling a stranger a pedophile. The creeps here are the parents of drunk high bullies. The creeps here are the parents of that kid, the last thing their little Rhodes Scholar had in his hands were Miu’s throat. The creep here is you….

[@Andrea-e4r8y]

This !!

[@ALNTV1541]

See, that mindset is what got those young adults fcuk’d up! Thinking because an older guy is nearby looking for a lost item, he’s automatically creepy?! And rather than offer to help, or even just say “no, we’ve not seen anything “. They take an opportunity to flip out the phones and “let’s make a Tik Tok of us messing with an old guy”! Too bad for them.

[@LTV_inc]

How do you think the parents of the kids feel? I’ll bet this wrecked some families. All because you can surmise who is a creep doesn’t make you right. I’ve met some very smart people, they all have made mistakes. The parents of these kids need to do a minimum of community service. The children all need to be charged with assault. This guy has already served 2+ years he’ll get 5. What a mess.

[@assassinspoiler3488]

Omg how many times does he have to tell the cause or manner of death lawyers kill me

[@mindyabiznesspeople]

My boy Isaac was f$&@ up!? All this crap should not have happened and i feel bad for him and his family

[@seeno1]

Isaac and company made poor decisions. Very poor decision. Fatal decisions in fact.

[@dalereinhold640]

Agree, shouldn’t have happened. Mob mentality cost this kid his life, and his friends that survived hopefully learned a valuable life lesson.

[@atholraw5883]

​@seeno1 The cameraman was the instigator. He lied about what Miu explained what he was doing snorkeling in the river. He is the reason for the video evidence and the inciting the crowd.

[@ravenharris1257]

Issac should have kept his hands to himself and not placed around someone's neck.

[@itmaster3805]

Isaac had a BO level of .2+ Isaac made bad choices

[@anneamus]

So they were stabbed because they were drinking alcohol?

[@willfade7994]

No. They were stabbed because they attacked the man! The kid that died tried to strangle the man.

[@TheMaestro7777777]

Madman went on a stabbing rampage.

[@alexpaulyoungthemuso3937]

Where did you get that Everyone commenting things like "You don't get to stab someone for calling you a name" And "Them being drunk justifies murder?" Those people shouldn't be allowed to comment on KZbin videos

[@applegater355]

He punched an unarmed woman telling him to leave while holding a knife in his other hand before any of the boys slapped and pushed him down. I didn’t see any one with a clenched fist in the video. He should have walked away. If anything the boys stood their ground while the adult killer entered their space.

[@thissunchild]

They weren't just standing there drunk. They were pushing, slapping and taunting him. Watch the video of the incident.

[@Jcolorado555]

Sorry, but Miu did not just stab people he butchered them😢

[@kaiserandkonaGSD]

What dumb questions by the prosecutor. A bird could have swept down and hit one of the people, causing it to go deeper. If your defense is that somebody fell into the knife. That's pretty lame. Maybe if the guy hadn't pulled the night to begin with, none of this would have happened

[@silentnight4]

Self-defense? Hardly. Everybody certainly deserves their day in court but can the naysayers please explain why it's Mr. Miu right now and not the "13"? Was that a grievous error in the criminal justice system? If I was Mr. Miu right now and had a choice to walk this back to August 2022 - I'd rather be facing those 13 young people in the Apple River than the 12 jurors that have been selected to determine where he'll undoubtedly spend the rest of his life. Agreed?

[@boltvanderhuge8711]

... 1 dude surrounded by a bunch of horrible young adults that were literally assaulting him and pushing him down into the water and you don't think it's self defense to fight back?

[@silentnight4]

@@boltvanderhuge8711 You have absolutely NO IDEA what a real fight is like. I do. I lived in Watts and Compton for five years. I was attacked multiple times by the Crips and the Bounty Hunters. I got shot in the chest once and drove myself to MLK, Jr. Hospital where I spent the next two weeks with tubes coming out of me. These kids? I'd compare them to Bugs Bunny. If you're afraid of them you're afraid of your own shadow. You have no frigg'in idea what real danger is. The guy's a total liar. Did you see the interview where Miu denies having a knife? You better hope that you never run into someone like Miu on a bad day.

[@boltvanderhuge8711]

​@@silentnight4 lmao alright tough guy

[@silentnight4]

@@boltvanderhuge8711 I think tough is a fair assessment. How many people do you know who would/could drive themselves to the hospital, calmly park their car, and walk to the emergency entrance after getting shot within a fraction of an inch of the heart? You? I doubt it. I've also got a tested IQ of 150. Tough and smart. I also carry an Emerson knife and have had hundreds of hours of professional weapons training. My attitude towards these kids? I would have laughed it off and kept going. They're kids, not predators. Toughness is survival based on a clear moral code that many people making comments on this thread don't have a clue about.

[@kristenpayne2838]

Also, I like this doctor. Not that my opinion matters much, but if I was getting troubling news delivered, his calm and gentle tone and manner would be as comforting as one could be, considering the circumstances 🤷🏼‍♀️🫶

[@jo.s7993]

Over four inches deep, & two ribs cut through? That isn't self defence, that's murder.

[@Andrea-e4r8y]

This !!

[@JAJJABLOG]

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[@queenbeedat8726]

Adrenaline??

[@duutssify]

So sad for absolutely everyone

[@lindaashmore1246]

All evidence should be looked at and when picking jury they should have discussed this as having to view

[@TheKInKmn]

The jury is literally present for the trial and in the room during all the testimonies and arguments that you are seeing posted on KZbin (plus other testimonies and arguments that were not recorded or published. They are given copies of the evidence to review again if asked for during their deliberations.

[@RobbieAmerican]

Miu has no remorse & neither do his friends or wife. Miu should've never engaged & should've left & gone back to his group when everyone kept telling him to leave! Miu is far from a peaceful man. He isn't even a man. Men walk away & don't try to harass & fight teenagers.

[@seeno1]

As he shouldn’t. He was defending himself from a pack of hyenas.

[@sserpentchic1342]

He shouldn't have to feel any remorse whatsoever. The kids should feel remorse for their behavior and friend's death, but they don't even know what the word accountability means.

[@stevenprice6957]

@@seeno1exactly. This person had no idea about the real world

[@brinkee7674]

​@@seeno1so you run into a pack of hyenas and attack them then blame the dogs

[@RobbieAmerican]

@@seeno1 That is really ridiculous & extremely far fetched. Miu had no injuries but a scratch less than a inch long & extremely superficial.

[@davestambaugh7282]

This lawyer is trying to show that the victim's actions as he was being stabbed actually caused his death????? Wear as if he behaved properly as he was being stabbed that he would have survived???

[@jacquelinesoat4824]

The kid choked the guy once already,. he was coming back for more and got caught on a knife that was held straight out when he lunged.

[@sarahmurphy8030]

​@@jacquelinesoat4824..I didn't see any chocking

[@poboxchristmas380]

@@sarahmurphy8030 you didn't see Isaac's hands on Miu's throat in the video? They even referenced the gold bracelet seen.

[@sarahmurphy8030]

@@poboxchristmas380 ..I remember the hand with the bracelet I thort he had his bothe hands up in defence.

[@poboxchristmas380]

@@sarahmurphy8030 rewatch the video. Miu does not go after anybody besides the people who touched him first. Nobody was chased by Miu. Isaac's hands are 100% on Miu's throat. Isaac is moving forward and Miu is pushed back. Watch it and let me know if I'm wrong

[@ct6502c]

You know, I've been around a bunch of rowdy teenagers plenty of times before and never had any problems. Why is it that people with weapons are always the ones who find trouble and then coincidentally claim "self defense"? If you go looking for trouble, you'll find it.