Applying Nature’s Wisdom to Human Problems with Janine Benyus | TGS 135

[@treefrog3349]

There is more unabashed, pertinent truth spoken on The Great Simplification than anywhere else in the "info-sphere". I am in genuine awe and respect of Nate Hagens. His own observations, and the wisdom of the incredible panoply of guests that he has featured over the years has provided an immense degree of solace to a fading old man. I wish he had been my friend. This is Treefrog signing out. My best wishes to the Earth and to all of its creatures

[@TheFlyingBrain.]

Received and returned.

[@Corrie-fd9ww]

I’ve always enjoyed your comments, Treefrog! If your health is failing, I hope there’s someone there to help you, along with your connection with earth.

[@dermotmeuchner2416]

Farewell and enjoy the ride.

[@leonstenutz6003]

Blessings, godspeed, light & love from the Andes.

[@bernardberrier53]

I love you, treefrog

[@bobcva3627]

Microsoft and software, etc., were mentioned several times. Will we never learn. We have indigenous communities that have carried with them through great trauma the knowledge that their ancestors developed through observation and experimentation over thousands of years of learning how to live in harmony with their environment, Their lands need to be returned to them to create a sustainable world.

[@robertcook1344]

What a brilliant conversation! Janine is so wise, and Nate you did such an excellent job with this interview. Kudos all ‘round 🫡👏👏👏👏

[@erikolsen6269]

Stuff needs to urgently get implemented into what kids learn all throughout school(atleast elementary). This stuff is the kinda topic that actually matters

[@druidceltic777]

total agree with ya . currently we are going the wrong way in so many ways but ill keep rowing ,staying positive 👍

[@FREEAGAIN432]

so inspiring. WE ARE ANIMALS TOO!!! Thanks so much Janine and Nate, really appreciated all that was explored here. Excited to look deeper into Janine's work. Sometimes you just gotta get on all fours and run around to help you remember..I do it, it works..hahaha

[@goodnatureart]

Biomimicry gives me hope. Glad to see all the love toward other species and this teacher's awareness of life on the move.

[@marxxthespot]

Life! Everywhere I look I see a deeply entrenched global death cult calling all the shots. It’s so refreshing and empowering to get a glimpse of another playing board!!! I can hardly wait for you to have here back on the show and reading her book 🌞🤝🌞

[@Carbonbank]

Now we’re talking - lost a good friend recently, Claire Janisch…she was a biomimicry master. Her wish lives on with you and Janine!!! Thanks Nate

[@druidceltic777]

sorry for your loss mate greets australia

[@diamondbackecological]

I am a wildlife biologist and agroecologist. I consult in permaculture homesteading and land management, focused around integral whole systems ecological design. People's place in nature. Both my professional and my personal ethos, is developing systems and lifestyles that integrate comfortable living with low impact footprints, and living in ways that intentionally fit in with the larger dynamics of the planet, with evolutionary processes, and with integration into the local ecology. I take an ecological systems approach revolving around appropriate technologies and whole system design to allow individuals to live in nature, and not separate from it, which for the large part I think is the major foundational disconnection on our lifestyles leading to massive over-utilization of natural resources, fossil fuels and unsustainable land used practices. I think that when people redefine their interpersonal needs and develop an integral theory, aka reducing their cultural ego and need for materialistic wealth as social status, minimalist lifestyles not only become more rewarding, but are quite scalable.

[@Seawithinyou]

Thank you dearly Nate for bringing on sweet empowering Janine! And. Just searched into our Canterbury University on a paper which is called Bio Inspired Design Which is wonderful to see here in our country of Aotearoa New Zealand Have shared this very Inspiring podcast on Facebook Gaia blessings to All living things on our precious planet Earth 🕊🌏😇💖

[@anitashore5050]

This conversation has inspired me so much! I recognize a fellow bridge-builder in Janine Benyus. There are many dire human-generated outcomes from the carbon pulse, but one great and positive outcome is that it is our teacher, as well.

[@thinklikeatree]

If all decision-making (from personal to corporate to governmental) was made with this principle - life creates conditions conducive to life - then we could ensure our future on this planet. In fact it's the only way that will - so the sooner we all get with the programme the more chance we have.

[@Joeyjojoshabbadoo]

I don't know, I'm not sure that's how it would play out. This is an evil world we live in, if you haven't noticed. And extremely intellectually dishonest. And it's that evil, and that dishonesty that drives our collective behavior, not our failure to get on board with the right paradigm. But I got you covered. If we just put a limit on the total resources we consumed, let's say on an annual basis, of like oil, and precious metals and water usage and keeping our soil in good shape and all the fish we fish, so that we don't live beyond our means and then just made it work somehow, then we could have a chance. And if there's a place for 'biomimicry' somewhere in there, all the better. But mainly we just need to consume and destroy way less. And then we're belooking good...

[@hagbardc623]

"Remember you live on a compitent planet"! THIS! is so important. 'nature' has survived a long time and it quite good at it. What a previledge to hear such wisdom from this Neo- Indigenous elder, "Respect!" We are all Earthlings.

[@CarolFoegen]

Thank you Nate, lets have her back. I downloaded ,any PDF on this topic as a result and once I can better understand this I plan to look at how we can reorganize our local community using this concept.

[@HPSG2010]

So simple and so profound, both. I was a therapist for people with pain problems for fifty years. Working with people is like working with nature in most ways. I finally settled on the principle, "interact with," don't "operate on." It sounds to me that Janine Benyus is working toward something similar in her much-expanded societal space. She rings all my bells in this conversation. She makes me happy. Thank you so much for this.

[@Jan-feelgood-forest-bathing]

Thank you Janine for this marvellous talk, and your ongoing work. I love how through much of the episode the tree behind you had a frond over your shoulder - as if to say "Thank you little sister, yes, please explain to them, as I cannot speak Human".

[@lindarichard9348]

Such hope and wisdom. Thank you so much!

[@mrrecluse7002]

Like most people, I have plenty of what I call past, and ongoing eco-sins. But I am also desperate to give back to nature, what I can. Here, in this place, it is to give most of my 1.38 acre yard back to nature, by allowing nature to proliferate in mini-meadow conditions. Except for removing certain invasives, and pulling up most saplings, nature has its way here. The result is an amazing variety of bird, plant, wildflower, and insect life, compared to the "dead zones" of the lawns in other nearby yards. Various species of dragonflies are a joy to behold, and the remnants of winged pollinators are having a field day in this one precious spot. This is so easy to do, and so many creatures would make a comeback if most people were not so repelled by the revolutionary thinking required, for this conversion from the obscession granted to the creation of these dead zones of American lawns. There's plenty of information on this subject, for anyone wishing to google it.

[@adrianhodgson4448]

Nate, glad you've asked Benyus about living processes. It's good to hear from her on this because the idea of imitating nature is ontologically problematic, yet if we are truly to reawaken as conscious beings of Life, then we must inquire deeply into the difference between how humans make things by mechanistic assembly and how life creates itself, because there's a massive difference there. Because it's not just what we're making, but the quality and processes of how we're making. "Modern" tendancy to create by mechanistic assembly creates a sort of psychic ugliness that we can feel and is actually subduing our biophilic capacity to be agents of place-health.

[@VilmaMare]

Amazed at this academic direction guided by the highest indigenous values. I will echo here my people from Lithuanian temple of Romuva (This name means a place to calm and seek harmony). Tebūnie darna = Let here be harmony = dharma in Sanskrit.

[@urallwyz3498]

It stuck very heavily on me, this idea of needing to leave the environment ok enough for ones descendants to be there still in 10 000 years and time frames like that. Similar to when Geoff lwaton said we doing permaculture because we can live forever on the planet. But this Guest changed the course of my life Big thank you to you Maam.

[@TheFlyingBrain.]

Nate, I am so delighted that you've introduced Janine to our little community. Thank you so much. I've been hoping you would do this almost from the beginning of listening to your podcast. I knew you would relate to her message. I first encountered Janine in 2007 in Di Caprio's film "The 11th Hour," and again in the appendiced footage that was released with it. I was so enthralled by what she was talking about, that led to finding her first TED talk, and thereafter learning everything I could from her. Finding Janine changed my life. She confirmed everything I had intuited about the natural world 40 years prior, and deepened my previously long postponed passion to learn everything I could from and about Nature. When I first got online in 1992, one of the first things that came my way via an email list was the first UN IPCC report. Reading it, I realized with alarm what it implied for the future, and did my best to communicate the nature of the report and what it implied to others, with the hope that they would understand why it, above all other challenges, was the first and foremost thing we had to collectively address. (At that time it seemed plausible that we could turn our species' ship around. I still believe that we could have, though some will now dispute it. What's past is past, and yet there is something important to be learned from the consequences of our instinctive intransigence.) By the time "The 11th Hour" was released, after 16 years of trying and seemingly failing to effectively communicate to others the real urgency involved, I was starting to feel a very deep despair. My response to Janine was something like yours at the end of this video -- she renewed my hope for humanity in a way no one else had at that time, and opened a door to new possibilities for our relationship with Life that I had never realized existed. I remember her first TED talk brought me to tears, and she did it once again with this interview, another 17 years later. Janine sees something about life: What holds it together, about what it is actually doing, and about who we can be as a species that is very special, very clear and true, and indispensable. Something that occurred to me after listening to this dialogue is that the gracefulness we see in Janine comes from that she is an intellectual who is a true "right brain" thinker. (I'm referencing Ian McGilchrist's hemispheric definitions here -- the "right hemisphere" as the experiential brain.) I find myself constantly in admiration of her flexibility and facility in this respect. As such, she is someone who speaks and understands the old paradigms, and yet she embodies the perfect antidote to so much that doesn't work about the ways we've been taught to think by classical Western culture. The principles she has developed describing how life works have a phenomenal power to communicate the shift in context that humanity needs to make at this time. They need to be shared generously, and retranslated across all domains. I hope you will have her back many more times. She is an inspiring teacher. 💚

[@leonstenutz6003]

❤ Great comment, thanks.

[@kellyclark59]

I used to teach a biomimicry unit about 10 years ago as a high-school teacher. I watched Janine Benyus' TED talks over and over again. Along with permaculture and systems thinking (all highly overlapping) my view of the world, and way of thinking about everything was changed forever. This talk was no less inspiring!

[@mellonglass]

Thank you for discussing the unseen consequences of inventive minds, individualism is the opposite of community, yet community is a group excited of multiplex ways to express invention by living alongside this confidence and its *school. (Democratic diplomacy of the many) Nature has always proved its abundance with our help and observation to be integral with time (unconventional) Protein redistribution along with resource redistribution, instead of waste for profit.

[@carolspencer6915]

Good evening Nate and Janine Humility indeed.😀 Think we need to win back a wee bit more of people's attention first, less screen time, scrolling etc...only then can we begin to re-educate the world on how significant paying attention to our natural world and the power of mimicry has always been. Again simply love nature and all it's gifts and excited for all future possibilities. Truly grateful. Sensemaking brain gym, for sure. 💜

[@klausfaller19]

Thank you very much. By a long margin, the most inspiring podcast so far. Not only does it make sense, it fits the simplification like a glove,

[@dermotmeuchner2416]

I have a half acre I’ve left to itself except for some wildflowers I spread around. I have more birds, rabbits, groundhogs and deer. It’s absolutely gorgeous too. It’s an antidote to my daily struggle with depression and existential dread and without it I’d be very, very sad.

[@emceegreen8864]

A big miss for humanity is that our economy doesn’t mimic nature. It’s like there’s only consumers. Sure we can reluctantly become more efficient at consumption but where does that end if we have to always grow? We outgrow our resources.

[@TheFlyingBrain.]

Nate addresses this often with guests to his podcast. You're in the right place.

[@emceegreen8864]

Humanity has to step up and address the economy as an ecosystem. A very incomplete ecosystem as it’s all consumers and little or no support for restoration.

[@bmg7067]

Thought provoking conversation and really great principles - I love that part. However... I can't unsee the commercialisation element in this and how easily this can be (mis)used for greenwashing. It's hard to imagine big corporations would TRULY believe in the approach, unless they have a benefit on the share price. Also 'spraying chemicals on food' is a no-go for me. Nature would never do that... regardless what material was used and how sustainable. Nature doesn't care about Business 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@timeenoughforart]

I awoke to crop duster rattling my roof. Eventually a stink enveloped the house. Having corn on three sides of our property sucks. I hate optimism that fails to point out how deeply structured the poison sinks into our culture. Biomimicry will feed corporate extraction. Microsoft green washing.

[@verafleck]

That treebranch on her left shoulder ❤

[@BenBurkeSydney]

This is an outstanding podcast, reminding me of the amazement I felt listening to Janine in the past. Also, I nagged my parents SO much to get a packed of Sea Monkeys. After they hatches, my Dad concluded that the were mosquito larvae.

[@mischevious]

“There are no trees so foolish as to fight amongst themselves.” All life exists through reciprocity with other life, except us. What is intelligence?

[@allonesame6467]

Everybody go outside in nature. Namaste

[@adrianmacfhearraigh4677]

At around 1:06:00 the key to human maturity and eco-development was presented and this is the principle that all indigenous peoples have practiced through their cultures in particular their spiritual practices. Accountancy, economics and governance systems fail to do this to maintain balance with the greater biodiverse world. These systems are asymmetrically designed to simply transform all living life and materials into virtual wealth i.e. bloating bank accounts, while trashing the true bank we call Nature by destroying the beautiful complexity and order by replacing it with what can only be described as an equilibrium of simplicity and disorder. Yes if humanity continues as BAU, it is travelling the path to an ecological great simplification(great extinction). Humanity desperately needs to return to the path that leads to the ecological great complexification.

[@bonniepoole1095]

Insightful.

[@truepatriot6388]

Thank you Nate & Janine for an awesome dialogue!

[@PhilGribbon]

4:59 Nate’s response to frosted elk is VALUED

[@ErnestOfGaia]

Ends with sense making, love it!!🎉

[@lorilafferty4099]

Im not a young person, but interested in being a good human being

[@mary-anncarleton7578]

Thank you Indian man and for this podcast. Will listen to it a couple of times, lots of gems here.

[@chyfields]

Perfect. 👏 As above, so below. Logic is scaleable.

[@A3Kr0n]

I'll wait for this week's Frankly. THX in advance.

[@johntan4718]

100% ❤

[@ceaiid]

❤

[@ErnestOfGaia]

I desire a life surrounded by renewable materials

[@leonsappl]

One example of biomimicry that has stuck with me is the upturned wing tips of planes simulating that of birds to counter vortex distortion and drag.

[@SeegerInstitute]

Nate, you took about artificial intelligence making things more efficient. In many ways, that’s the opposite of biometry it’s the mistakes that nature makes the trial and error the lack of efficiency which produces the redundancy and the resiliency. Also, with regard to nature working in a paradigm of scarcity, this is also a misconception that’s been introduced through changing baseline overtime. As we’ve depleted the abundance of the planet, we’re assuming that energy is a scarcity. This might not be the case, if we go back to a preview in existence, we realize that in a fully functioning ecosystem, their ears abundance throughout the food chain all the way up to the Apex predator and it’s only at that point that the energy exerted to live is limited by the energy exerted to consume the rest of the system is a question of processing photovoltaic energy all the way up and down the line With a paradigm of infinite abundance in the original inputs from the sun or limitless, at least most of the time of the year. It’s this notion of scarcity that dictates our current mindset, which is limiting our ability to create a better world, one in which we return to a state of infinite abundance. it’s also very interesting that Janine has a point of view which really differentiates the individual from the environment. It seems so contrary to her point of view. If the individual to be successful, isn’t service to the place, it must be acknowledged that the place is also in service to the individual, and that all the organisms are functioning as you so like to put it as a super organism, where in the processes are all fluid in nature, and the entire notion of the individual disappears within that paradigm. Janine discusses high density energy in the form of fossil fuels, but nature does have incremental forms of high density energy in the form of salmon runs and fruit trees and locust swarms. There’s lots of forms of, high energy density with nature. Plants do not release a compound which keeps them from spoiling the relationships between fungi and bacteria and animals and plants are much more complex than that healthy plant will live to the point where it starts to die, and when it starts to die it’s reabsorbed into the immediate ecosystem such that that energy is released and can be incorporated into other organisms in a healthy mixed bio system. It’s not a concern get things live things get consumed and die and the net energy that’s created results in greater and greater complexity, and greater and greater biodiversity. The only reason that we understand the concept of rot and spoilage is because we stupid humans are trying to move things around and store them prior to eating them, at the moment we harvest them this is another misconception that’s taking us in the wrong direction an avocado is not alive when it’s on a train to quote Bob Dylan, he not busy being born as busy dying the moment you pick the avocado, it starts dying, and from that moment on, it’s just a matter of time until something eats it, or decomposes it in some other way the farmer in India is not following nature principles he’s following economic principles which are leading to the growth of humankind, and our expansion as an organism within the super organism. As we continue to provide the opportunity for human beings to extract from nature, in a way that’s out of balance. All we’re doing is exacerbating the extent of the fall of our species within the greater hole. It’s just creating more people who are less connected from nature, and when the billions of people are going to die within the next decade, the farmer in his avocado in his plastic bag, or just making that crash worse. Even her concept of extinction is perhaps misguided. Just because 99.9% of the species no longer exist doesn’t mean that those organisms have not led to the evolution and birth of other organisms. It’s all part of a trajectory the notion of finality of one particular species without the recognition That everything that came after it had its foundation, and everything that came before is homocentric in nature. If we are to survive, we’re gonna have to get beyond the Darwinian notion that success is defined by the survival of our genetic material, and realize that even that notion is homocentric it is our being of service to the super organism to place and to life around us, that makes a successful. The limiting factor in nature is success itself when any organism as an individual becomes too successful in relationship to place and the surrounding organisms, it chokes itself out and eventually that energy is reabsorbed into the surroundings. Success is the limiting factor with a nature. Even her notion of taking care of place disregards migratory patterns in her thought process guild of plants and animals are continuously moving north and south and all around as climate changes changes. Organisms are not tied to a place the entire system as itself is interconnected and moves like rivers around the planet, such that there are areas of super abundance and areas in decline all the time as climate changes it’s this notion that we are tied to place in some kind of a static relationship which needs to be overcome, as well as all of our misconceptions are other misconceptions about the nature of life Nate thanks for once again, introducing the concept of humility, which you’re doing more and more often. Let’s try to define humility if we can outside of a Judeo Christian narrative? Isn’t true humility the ability to understand the transient nature of the individual as being only in service to the super organism, and nothing more? We don’t have too much carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. There is exactly the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere that there is it’s not being reabsorbed because we’ve broken natural systems that as a super organism processed incoming solar energy and sequestered it as carbon because we’ve broken the systems the carbon dioxide is accumulating, but in the long term it will become reabsorbed if we don’t kill everything. If you want a sequester carbon, just allow the systems to heal and allow life to become ever more complex and it will continue to sequester carbon dioxide as life itself. Remember it’s carbon-based life all life is is a process of sequestering carbon dioxide in the form of carbon and nitrogen as life even the idea of being able to look at a food web and draw all the networks, and all the connections is arrogant. The true humility lies, and understanding the complex adaptive nature of the web itself, and that all the Neuro networks all the networks are in constant flux and some of the time scales that are involved in establishing the work within the short time frame of our lifetimes are much longer in scale, and some of them are instantaneous and scale at the biological level. We don’t have the ability to truly understand the systems, and it’s only our industrial mindset in our androcentric nature that give us the illusion that we can understand the true connections in the networks, which causes us to really not arrive at a place of true humility i’m not sure what she means when she says nature abhors a gradient? Without the gradient, there is no life all of life is based on gradient and transitioning energy gradient into life itself. With regard to giving back everything that dies gives back, and when there is a mass die off in the next decade, and we don’t have the capacity to bury the bodies were certainly going to give back in a big way. At the very end of your discussion, she discusses watershed management. We’re doing this here in Hawaii. It’s absolutely imperative that we think in terms of watersheds. It’s a good start. Thanks for this discussion.

[@TheFlyingBrain.]

You make some insightful points, but your comment is desperately in need of editing which would make what you say more accessible to others. Thx.

[@SeegerInstitute]

@@TheFlyingBrain. thank you so much I absolutely agree but I dictated it while in bed at 3 o’clock in the morning. Here in Hawaii I should probably edit it and repost it. I will when I get the time but thank you for reading it with all the mistakes.

[@marksmit8112]

Not my favourite podacast but interesting as always. Keep it up Nate, keep going, have Richard Wolff as a guest

[@Joeyjojoshabbadoo]

He should have Dmiity Orlov as a guest. I'm not sure how well it would go, as he's more of a no nonsense kind of fellow. But he wrote his own book on societal collapse, I don't know about ten years ago. And it's excellent. Now he makes the podcast rounds as a dour political observer, with no illusions as to the west's ultimate fate. I'm not sure how Richard Wolff fits into the equation. Not to mention he's already very well platformed on the social media sphere.

[@pookah9938]

Retreat from appetite.

[@christianewoltersmd]

extincting things that don't work - for life on earth...would that be humans? That is the thought that crossed my mind. Beautiful work being done in some companies. Tell me: what would nature do here? Putting what's best for life into the business model. Thanks for bringing her on.

[@cpmathews2566]

A great way to incorporate these concepts in schools might be with the help of FFA groups in school. The network is already in place. Maybe schools could lessons their sole dedication to football, that only benefit a select few kids.

[@urallwyz3498]

Your guest I seem to remember her from a documentary. It was very influential to me in my life, that piece in that doccie.

[@mary-anncarleton7578]

❤❤❤

[@goodnatureart]

Great notes on not being at the top of the food chain with grizzlies. Electric feeling being in Glacier and seeing a grizzly rise up on the side of a road.

[@davidtyer2373]

I think one of the things she is saying is that when nature "designs" things, or really I guess its selecting among possibilities available to the organism "needing" a solution, nature tends to do the smaller change that wouldnt necessarily pay investors well in the short term. This is perhaps because it is inherent to natural selection that a great solution now, but one which may cost the genetic propagation in the long run will be self limited over the long term. This kind of plays into Nate / Schmactenberger's idea of accounting for the negative externalities that capitalism has so far failed to do. The reason I believe nature tends to do the smaller changes comes from some thing I was watching with Neil deGrasse Tyson...he more or less blew my mind with something I should have learned in high school ecology. He pointed out that when eyes first evolved, it was very rudimentary at first, and then eventually they got better lensing mechanisms etc...but THEN, life emerged from the ocean. Now what our engineers would typically want to do in that circumstance is to completely redesign the eye because there are probably fundamental things that are not optimal for land based sight. But nature knew better in that it said, no this smallest change that keeps the genetic material passing on is best, even though there are big opportunities left on the table in the moment...they are best left addressed by future generations. In a way its like nature is saying, its what we don't do too soon thats as important as what we do do immediately.

[@JessieLydia]

In a way, it's just SO embarrassing that products and designs inspired by nature are still only motivated by seeking profit to multiply profitable production of them, I've actually been pointing that out as the very clear operating mechanism of "the system" of what makes money for 40 years, still finding it as stunning that simple question, "what does it produce" is never followed up, the very same error as the famed BAU. Something is wrong with our systems thinking! Why did I did I pick up the error? It appears my dad taught me to "look around." That's all it takes to help one see what contexts are also connected to whatever cool rule you find.

[@JessieLydia]

I guess I should say she considered that and chose to only favor applications that don't do that. Sadly, this is the usual copout: blame the fabricator, not the user, for what is fabricated. So, creating wonderfully profitable things that people use to multiply extractive profits is not your fault, even though you're creating the market that they're used for.

[@TennesseeJed]

👍

[@TennesseeJed]

44:59

[@lisahagen6737]

The cities of the future - the Year 2040 The city is an entity….it is alive, it is conscious, it lives in symbiosis with the human species. There is an energy exchange that is equal and balanced and understood. The entity communicates through mind form with the human species for its needs. Proliferation of crystal cells and nanotech are combined to create the core structure, and the utilization of biological life only can be incorporated into the growth of the living entity. Theres an aura or field around the entity and it's floating. Earth will be freed from her shackles of steel and concrete. All humans work is supporting the entity.

[@pamelawoodland]

p.s. the link to your substack is broken. And thanks for bringing us such important and quality content in such a respectful, thorough, deep way again and again.

[@Southwesterns]

Superabundance

[@troygoss6400]

If humans were actually in the service of L I F E, planet earth would be the mythical garden of eden.

[@oooyuki]

Amen. Most religions miss the point about what being intelligent and powerfull means for the human race.

[@ErnestOfGaia]

Looking for work🎉

[@life42theuniverse]

I think the natural solution is to reproduce as much as possible; more predators is fewer prey, starvation is fewer predators. During times of scarcity groups/herds/tribes form to conserve resources. Groups share the work load. Hierarchy and feudal society emerges naturally from social pressures to share.

[@AxleRyde]

I wonder if any of the Ford designers suddenly realized that they should stop building cars.... 🤔😅

[@delphinebrooks5110]

Too bad we didn’t value the (so called) primitive societies’ wisdom which were intuitively connected to nature’s way and biomimicry. And too bad we didn’t have the intellectual rigor to understand the absurdity of our economic system before we consumed most of our children’s ressources. To me the issue has roots in one basic mistake from all our more recent patriarcal societies; we are not “destined” to be primarily rationnel , we are and always will be, as long as we are alive, primarily emotional beings. Men as much as women. Even if an estimated 1% of psychopaths (majorly men) live in total denial of their emotions, they are still emotional beings at the core. Let’s be clear, emotions, not ideas, connect us. And nothing is more internally dangerous for our species than a bunch of individuals full of the desire of power and disconnected from their emotions. I do not perceive the desire of power as not natural, but the denial of our emotions is very unhealthy. At this point of collective trauma, I think even people of average good will can’t know their true motivation without a very substantial introspection. I also think that if we ended up there, it’s because we didn’t yet have the awareness and understanding of our biological systems. Like all animals we are wired to solve problems but always guided by our built in system that seeks the minimum use of energy/glucose. Therefor because of our need for simplification, it seems that we were doomed to progress slowly but surely towards a pernicious objectification of the living…it’s a fact that the living led to emotions and for humans to narratives and interpretations that with time (and for more and more of us more complexity) deformed/lost the useful informations of our emotions and disconnect us from each other. The processing of our emotions became more and more difficult and became the enemy of "solutions" which caused a dissociation in our psyche which allowed the disconnection from our particularly good adaptability as well as our potentiel co-creative competences for more harmony and beauty. In conclusion our species’ capacity to cooperate and trust (very early division of labor proves it) in such big scale depends on the quality of the processing of our emotions. And this seems to me, imperative before we can even think of being able to purge ourselves of useless or manipulative narratives and recognize the ones which help us . Luckily our ability to observe our behaviors and to think about our thoughts led us to people like Richard Schwartz (and others) who developed methods to help us process our emotions and realize the precious informational value they have to the fulfillment of our humane experience. It should be clear that our desires (which are for most-if not all- mimetic) are unlikely to change until we learn to process our emotions better. No competent thinker or ethical scientist can be rational enough to break the barriers/ biais of someone disconnected from his emotions. If one doesn't value all emotions , one cannot value life , it's that simple. Of course all technologies are part of nature but let's be aware that all technologies are not always serving the Living. What is always beneficial to the species is to help each other to always better process our emotions. We are all energy, part of nature and the question is do we want to part from being part of the Living experience?

[@robertdavies82]

Our natural state is hunter gatherer. That's a hard life. 😊

[@thinklikeatree]

Hard, yes, but interestingly their 'working day' was much shorter than ours now.

[@timeenoughforart]

So is hanging sheetrock. Still I chose that over working in an office.

[@Corrie-fd9ww]

Hard is only a part of the story, not the whole story. Like, lions- everyone wants to make the whole story about lions be about their predation, ferocity. Those cats sleep about 20 hours per day. I’d say nature isn’t “hard” but moreso “efficient” and efficiency doesn’t always fit the modern human ideal of sweet, soft, and easy.

[@Joeyjojoshabbadoo]

I don't think we have a natural state, other than whatever we find ourselves in. And if it's so natural, the nomadic, boring, tedious, repetitive life and daily routine of a hunter gatherer, how is it that humanity has taken so readily to the vast and overwhelming superstructure of intellectual gibberish that people immerse themselves in, thanks to our modern academic institutions, and while they may completely miss the boat as the to the reality of our surroundings, we nevertheless commit to pretty good memory and fluency, all the reasonably coherent internal logic of the myriad intellectual paradigms to be digested, however misguided, and continuously build upon them with ever greater flights of intellectual fancy, to be further digested and expanded upon with each passing generation. Some of it useful, like reliable technical know how of various machinery, some of it more speculative, like the hard science of physics, but most of it largely just gibberish. And our brains just pump it out, like it's nothing doing. And all of it way, way beyond the imaginings of any simple hunter gatherer. So we're in our natural state. But I guess it's more than we can handle....

[@thebestofirishcrochet]

So the gas can prevent bacterial damage of fruit and vegetables? How exactly is our gut microflora dealing with that? Is this a similar story like unbreakable tomatoes? Excellent shelf life = minimum nutrients?

[@hcrone]

🌻🦋🐞🌳🐦🥕

[@ErnestOfGaia]

Sea level rise will effect shipping

[@Lovin_It]

26:00 Why don't the two of you show more respect by looking up or remembering the name of the 'Indian' man who invented or discovered the plant chemical? What is this amateurism?

[@bedardpelchat]

There is no money or exchange of money in nature. Let's just start there. Perhaps we'll be able to see where greed is leading us. There is a difference between carbon dioxide in nature 40:55 and the one we create in all manners that are destroying the very soil on which we exist, beginning with cars, freeways, suburbs and all this invasive lifestyle that we address in just keeping things as usual.

[@vsotofrances]

Natural selection is convinient theory for banksters competitiveness. But obviously it is not true. Random mutations cannot create our ecosystems.

[@mary-anncarleton7578]

Someone shot 2 bears along the river in Coquitlam ladt week. Atrocious acts against our very own eco system.

[@ErnestOfGaia]

Biomimicy is a design science like permaculture @nate not a technology. Regenerative Ag is a method not a design science. Design, methods, strategies, objectives, goals.

[@klondike444]

She believes "renewable energy", including renewable wind turbines, are a thing?

[@blahdelablah]

They are a thing. Of course, you can implement the capture devices in a non-renewable way, but that doesn't change the renewable nature of the energy source. For example, if you built a wind turbine out of wood, what's the problem with that.

[@emceegreen8864]

Consider paying attention not to want we want but what we do. The Living Planet responds to physical inputs and not to our wants. Then pay attention to what systems do. What are the inputs? What is the product of those systems?

[@emceegreen8864]

Efficiency is reducing consumption in an operation. It can only get you so far. Restoration is fundamentally different and can be abundantly generous in service to life.