Appreciate the F-5: DCS F-5 Tiger II | DCS Multiplayer | DCS F-5 in the Cold War

The F-5 has been getting a lot of hate lately and ironically I have actually been enjoying it for the first time in a very long time. This video hopefully acts as a call for people to appreciate the DCS F-5 Tiger II in DCS Multiplayer. The nose authority, missile uncage and gunsight are my favorite reasons of why this makes this a neat module to play.
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00:00 - 00:54 Introduction
00:55 - 02:02 The Missiles & Uncage
02:03 - 04:18 The Nose Authority
04:19 - 06:19The Gunsight
06:20 - 07:48 Deflection
07:49 - 10:56 Using Altitude
10:57 - 14:10 Mig-15 Fight
14:11 - 14:29 Outro
Outro Music:
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This channel focuses on combat flight simulators like DCS World and IL-2 Great Battles. If you play either of these games or flight simulators like Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 and enjoy aviation and dogfighting then this channel is for you. Even if you are coming from War Thunder and BF2042, you can learn to fly these combat flight simulators.
I play using TrackIR5 and do not use VR, this means that I am able to capture footage for tutorials, how-to-guides and other multiplayer tips and tricks video in 1440p.
Eagle Dynamics has made it easier than ever to learn DCS because the game is technically free. The game has the F-15, F-16, Su-27, Mig-29, Mig-21, Mig-19, Mig-15, F-86 Sabre, Jf-17, Mirage 2000, F-18 Hornet and F-14 Tomcat. There are soon other modules coming such as the Mig-23 and F-4. Lastly, there are helicopters like the Mi-24 Hind and AH-64 Apache.

[@Enigma89]

I had COVID when I edited this. I just now realized, after I had deleted the original footage, that this had some rendering issues with the overlaid text so I am sorry for that.

[@Variety_Pack]

Entirely unrelated, I am sorry. I am new to DCS and also your server (which is amazing, by the way). I got into my very first dogfight with a Viggen (I was a MiG-21) and we went low altitude. He seemed to be doing a very poor job of evading, but he was heading into the sun so I missed two R-60 shots and went guns. I nicked his wing a couple times, nothing serious, and then I exploded. It said I had a teamkill, but I had done an IFF check before engaging and I had gotten within 100m as he was trying to overshoot. Somebody said I probably flew over a roadbase which has an insta-kill radius (a thing I knew previously). Ever since then I have noticed players dragging tails over roadbases, is this the new meta? Is there some other way we can punish roadbase campers? It's a bit obnoxious to have to keep an eye on the ground and map for enemy roadbases, there've been a few fights where I broke off because of that. I understand why that's a thing, though, and I _love_ your efforts to keep the gameplay fun. You're problem-solving for these things is very clever and I'm having a blast on the server!

[@DrEdward]

The F5 is the best plane in DCS because it has a dedicated detent on the trigger to make it raise its eyebrows

[@Enigma89]

Can't argue against that

[@ikkuvaljo]

A detent? How? Why?

[@BrunoBarata78]

@@ikkuvaljo First trigger detent/stage. Check stick assignments. Most planes in DCS that have dual stage triggers have a single command to simulate pressing both at the same time, when applicable (for example the A-10 PAC stabilization plus actually firing the gun). But for people with dual staged trigger HOTAS, DCS modules also provide the two functions separately, like in the actual plane. In the F-5 the first trigger stage opens up the gun ports without actually firing. And he was making a joke about it.

[@doubleugly1594]

Plus the nose wheel height adjustment, which allows you to stand up to cocky viggens on the taxi way lol

[@RoamingAdhocrat]

​@@BrunoBarata78 …what happens if you map just the second stage and not the first. can you shoot your eyebrows off

[@TrickerDCS]

I see F5 and I click

[@sanka945]

love ur last vid

[@TrickerDCS]

@@sanka945 more to come!

[@KeenanLacelle]

I am a simple man, I too have taken this path

[@rampantcoyote3136]

The F-5E is currently getting an update from ED, but honestly ... with a 3rd party cockpit mod the freshen things up for VR, it's still an awesome plane to fly. Never really noticed any significant bugs. It's extremely beginner-friendly without being an underpowered "trainer" aircraft. It's one of the easiest full-fidelity aircraft to become proficient in, but it still has a lot of tricks and capability under the hood for you to master.

[@Enigma89]

It's a nice way to put it. The F-5 seems to has a lot of potential upside for the people who really sit down and try to master it.

[@joelmulder]

What is this cockpit mod for VR you speak of?

[@sanka945]

F5 is underrated not by devs but by players, this plane is so much fun

[@delta9990]

its fun but not good, compare it to a mig21 and yeah

[@roostyla]

Agree with your points totally. Its sad to see new players when asking on reddit get told to avoid the F5 often for reasons that a new player wont even notice. It's the perfect aircraft for a new player, well layed out cockpit, simple systems, great visibility and a friendly flight model (wing snaps not included) I picked the F18 on peoples advise and it was so complex I nearly gave up DCS altogether! Better to get a cold war jet and hop into an MP server and get right into the action.

[@King2Stone]

I feel like if the F-5 in addition to the UH-1 got a graphical update, the community might not be as bitter.

[@Ala13ManOWar]

And indeed according to some mods at ED forums, it's getting an update sooner than later. Totally worth it and deserved if you ask me.

[@King2Stone]

@@Ala13ManOWar Agreed, it would add incentive for myself and most likely many other to pick it up even at an increased price.

[@mads.kristensen1236]

How does a upgrade work? I mean do i keep the plane or do they make a new module?

[@King2Stone]

@@mads.kristensen1236 In the case of the ED's Black Shark 2 to Black Shark 3 module, it was a paid upgrade, adding features and a fully revamped 3D model. It was released as a separate module with the Black Shark 2 no longer being available to purchase. This was not quite the case with the A-10C if memory serves correct. As the A-10C II came out, the regular A-10C got a cockpit upgrade at no extra charge. It has already been announced that the F-5 will be getting an upgrade but whether or not it will be a paid one is unknown to me.

[@eatleadcobra]

I will say, nearly all the most hated and often repeated bugs with the F-5 are not nearly as big of a deal as people think they are. And some of them aren't even wrong. It's a great plane and a very capable dogfighter. It was my first full fidelity module and I'll always have a love for it

[@rossmum]

I already know who half these Hoggit replies are and they're the same people who go on 20 page screeds against devs on the forums because they think some sounds aren't good or something that doesn't manifest in 90% of gameplay is such a pressing bug that it should've halted all work on other projects by the dev to fix it. Then you have the people who claim it's somehow a bad fighter or inferior to the 21 (lol) because they never learn to fly their own plane, and that group exist in a Venn overlap that is a near total eclipse with the people who don't use the radar and don't understand why a jet without BVR missiles would have one. In short, they're bad. Skill issues all round. If you can't do well in the F-5, especially against the jet it's so well matched to that it has been used to stand in for it as an aggressor for 50 fucking years, you don't deserve to pass comment about it.

[@69columbus]

Totally agree. I'm sick of all the "Get the F-18, Get the Hornet" crowd. When I first got into DCS and went on a couple of groups and forums seeking some suggestions and advice on what might be a good module to get into to learn the basics, I was constantly being told "to make sure" I get the F-18...get the hornet because it's ..blah blah blah. Inexplicably, even most big streamers do this! I let the pressure get to me and bought it. Tried it a few times, couldn't get to grips with some systems and not a big fan of BVR so I gave up. I almost gave up on DCS all together, but decided to give it another shot. I bought the F5 and loved it. Since then I've bought several more modules, incl a helo and have enjoyed them all, but still cannot get into the F-18 and so have uninstalled it.. again. Each to their own.

[@Name-ps9fx]

I like how unobstructed the forward view is! No frame on the HUD glass, and the canopy bow is relatively thin and wide.

[@Blake-jl8lh]

The best thing about the dcs community is how they will all decide a plane they have never touched in real life is horribly modeled and is super bad/unrealistic

[@themortz]

i bought the F-5 as my First Full fidelity module because the nearest Airbase to me (in Iran Ofc) has F-5Es and F-5Fs in use, and i sometimes see them flying, and also it's a cool plane and simple to learn and stuff.

[@Dolph_Vader]

the f5 is my favorite plane in dcs because it's one of the rare modules that's DONE. seems like every other aircraft experiences constant changes that i learn about at the worst moments. so i dont know if i can't slew my tds because of a bug, or I'm doing something wrong, turns out the buttons changed the night before. Never in the F5

[@kamraam1464]

Definitely my favorite jet to fly in the server. Handles nicely, as you mentioned the ability to uncage the seeker is awesome, and it's very quick as well. Heading into battle with a slick jet and only 2 sidewinders really makes it more fun, as you are forced to be smart with your engagements.

[@nath-hh2ff]

I really like this module, but it's definitely not up to the standards of a new module. I could list a few reasons why but I'd rather focus on positives. I do love the gun sight and the aim 9p is a relatively good missle. Also, the f 5 is no underdog when it comes to low altitude head2head merge on ECW. She's also a damn fine looking aircraft

[@reload54]

Chuck Yeager said of all the airplanes in the world he has flown the F5 is the most fun to fly

[@kamicosmos]

I'm big into IL-2, but have had DCS for a while, and have a few aircraft (109, BlackShark, F16, FC3). My IL2 Squad has been playing on your server for a bit, and I've heard about it from both your vids, as well as the community. With the sale, I decided to pick up the F-5 and Syria, fully with plans to get on your server once I get a few hours under my belt in the tiger. Then I come here while it's downloading, and good to see a fresh video on it!

[@TheWhoamaters]

I like that complaint of "this cheap cold war jet doesn't have a perfectly functional radar gunsight' so don't use it like a sniper scope, use it's guns like a warbird with a bit of assist

[@algroyp3r]

Yeah, it doesn't give a good solution in a constant rate level turn, which it's supposed to by its design. It's not that we expect a gen 5 gun solution. It's bugged.

[@IsraeliDino]

Incredible video and excellent flying, thanks so much for making this and showcasing the beautiful Tiger!!!!!!! Can't wait to dive into this aircraft and enjoy it also :D

[@Enigma89]

Many thanks!!

[@Cplblue]

First. But also, got the F-5 after hearing it is a good starter jet. Can't wait to try it on your server next week!

[@pinaerpowac4130]

Aside from the m2000c the only other plane I can recommend to new players is the f-5 both planes have a sensible cockpit layout that is easy to understand. Unlike the m2000c however the f-5 control layout and skill bar is substantially lighter. The m2000c is easy to fly but hard to master while the f-5 is just simple.

[@hanswolfgangmercer]

People complain about how the F-5 is "abandoned" but there's a silver lining to it. The FM isn't going to change on you and force you to relearn everything overnight.

[@Enigma89]

It is a good point. I learned my lesson with the harrier to not invest a lot of time into a module that is super active in development due to the negative training and having to remap keys

[@jpatty5473]

I bought the F5 specific to get into Enigmas it's a good plane and dogfighter

[@duke8022]

I find it is crucial with the F5 to Know when to raise the flaps in the up position or to use them and fixed or auto mode. I find an auto mode I am able to bleed a lot of energy if I am not careful. I usually just keep them in the up position during dog fighting. But lately I have been experimenting with using them in auto mode when I'm trying to use my excess energy for nose Authority but when I'm done I always put them back to the up position.

[@stoned_kakapo8736]

Same, I don't trust autoflaps, always keep it up. I actually lower em for those tight turns when merged, or nose authority like you said.

[@stephenmartin5766]

I got the F5 as first high fidelity because it's the closest thing to the Talon trainer used in the US. Literally just a single seat version. Would be cool to have the Talon and other missing trainers in the game, I feel it would give new players a good sense of starting point and sense of direction and progression.

[@dixieduffy7]

People keep talking about the F5 bugs but I fly it ALL the time and the bugs just always seem so nit picky. It is a joy to fly even if the engines feel a bit underpowered.

[@attehosiasluoma3127]

What even are the bugs related to the F5? Been flying it for about three weeks loving it. Not noticing any bugs.

[@dixieduffy7]

@@attehosiasluoma3127 somthing about the ADI is the only one I really remember.

[@Majima_Nowhere]

I've played around with FC3 aircraft and the F-16, but the F-5 is the first module I'm really studying. It's super easy to learn and fly, the cockpit is simple, the weapons are capable enough for a little taste of everything. And it's no wonder, having been designed to be sold to countries that couldn't afford air superiority fighters or train their pilots.

[@ustio834]

The community really downplay this begineer friendly module with bugs list which kinda unjustified.

[@sebastiannordemann2346]

love the tiger. best trainer (1st fighter) ever.

[@moldy_]

Great video! I started with the F5 and playing the Mig 21 recently has really made me appreciate the things the F5 does well, not that the 21 is bad or anything. Reddit really does hate this plane for some reason. Just have to wait for reddit to start hating modern MFD jets and we'll get the Enigma "Hey the F16 is actually a ton of fun" video.

[@Enigma89]

Don't think that day will come, I really do not find the modern stuff fun. IF I had to pick any modern plane to fly it would be the Harrier because it has VTOL so it is kind of quirky. :)

[@experimentalpilot]

A fantastic aircraft so much fun to fly

[@dcsheinlein]

great video. This video shows exactly why I never engage in dogfights against F-5's in the mig-21 and why I love dogfighting mig-21's when flying the F-5

[@Kruemel98]

And not to forget, it is a really underestimated bomb-truck.

[@gnomisa]

Its a great and competitive plane for cold war. F5E and Mig21 both super fun for the server. Viggen is cool also, competitive in AtoA but more ground pounder. Mirage F1 we cant try so its a pass for now. Sabre and Mig19 are for pros as they lack useful radars and missiles are poor...

[@f4rr3l111]

very good, thanks for the video, in the f5 and tigers the sound of 7 beeps or the flashing of the circle when missiles are fired at us does not work in the RWR! Do you know how to fix it? Would you take a look? thanks crack!!

[@keukenrol]

I notice a few issues with the F5 currently: 1) cannot get it to go supersonic, even in clean config. 2) The nose wheel steering is ridiculously sensitive 3) the wobble on ground makes its wings twist

[@haackhaack4217]

F-5 is one of my favorites - guns seem off though (dispersion)

[@Edu-hx9sz]

I love the F-5. Simple, easy, agile.

[@Cocokingable1]

Can the mirage carry its full load of missiles or is it restricted? No SARHs is fine but i want the ability to carry all 4 magics then.

[@bobspalding2477]

You definitely convinced me that cold war is the way to go in a couple other videos. So i am looking into the available aircraft for that era. Stil not sure but I like the idea of the Tiger, and the steam reviews are positive.

[@Enigma89]

I have a cold war buyers guide on my channel. You can check that out. The F4 is also releasing soon

[@bobspalding2477]

@@Enigma89 I saw that, awesome guide and still has me leaning towards the F-5. Whatever it ends up being, it will be my first Hi-Fi module so I definitely want to do some research. You’re a god send though Enigma!

[@UtkuUckun]

Is A-4 mod available in the Cold War server? If not that would be a great addition to it!

[@benaguilar1787]

No, because there is no way to validate user files for the mod. So allowing it on the server would create an opportunity for abuse.

[@sasquatchycowboy5585]

It's fun for sure. But ED needs to update it. At lest finish the cockpit, and review the flight model. Although I think the FM is pretty good. Other then that she's a great little cold war jet. Like the Mig-21 her time is coming. There are so many cold war jets on the horizon.

[@aegamerattackblog513]

Any advice on spotting aircraft on the CW server? I find it really difficult to spot where enemy aircraft are coming from even with overlord tripwire set, and merge notifications

[@PeteV80]

Human GCI

[@flyinggoat2581]

That’s honestly normal. Look for the dot, respect the difficulty of spotting against ground clutter, call awacs early

[@gamingwithlacks]

I live up in the arctic of Canada and my data budget (and ping) do not allow me to try DCS. MAN, I wanna fly and try your mission!

[@Enigma89]

Sorry to hear that, I hope your situation changes so you can join us one day :)

[@gamingwithlacks]

@@Enigma89 starlink is coming Q1 2023! I can't wait! I mean.. I guess I have to... 😟

[@ignotumperignotius630]

You forgot that you can pretend it's an F-20 and do Area 88 scenarios.

[@PeteV80]

Never had an issue with the F5

[@TheWhoamaters]

Currently this is the only module I own

[@mjolnirpower2779]

In the interview Fast Jet Performance did with Simon Pearson & Ben Whitely from ED in June this year they commented that an updated/new F-5 is coming - with option for current F-5 owners to upgrade most likely. kzbin.info/www/bejne/b3utZZtnd7abnMk , linked to relevant time stamp in video.

[@algroyp3r]

I like the F-5, but it does have serious quality issues compared to the DCS standard. The cockpit is very dated, and the front glass looks so dirty, it's almost unusable in VR. RWR is bugged. Wing snapping is bugged. People say the gun solution is not accurate in a constant rate level turn (I've not verified it yet myself completely, but something is off). These are all things you experience frequently, not obscure systems or nitpicks. Now that the F-4 is coming out and will likely be the premier Western Cold War fighter, there might be less reasons to fly the F-5 until they do some work on it.

[@Enigma89]

DCD has no standard

[@algroyp3r]

@@Enigma89 Meh, I get what you mean. But no other airframe that I've flown, excluding maybe some FC3 stuff, has such noticeable issues that matter in every flight. Devs please fix. I think people are crying about F-5 for good reason.

[@bogdanrotaru6101]

tbh any fight in DCS ends up getting shot by the last guy coming in the duel, while you were 1v1ing someone else. Wow omega skills. That's why i swapped to duel servers.

[@Enigma89]

Judging the situation, the entire situation, and not just the 1vs1 forces you to juggle a lot more things in your head. If you know someone else is barreling into your fight in the next 30 seconds, then you may not be able to afford a mistake when cashing in your chips to make a shot that will leave your energy-less. I actually do not do much 1vs1s anymore because the environments are very sterile, controlled and dimensionless. There are just a lot less variables to work with and juggle.

[@DanielDrake]

Omg, you killed cookie

[@rossmum]

All the "radar gun solution is not correct" people must be flying a different F-5 than I have been. Or that Tricker has been. Or that anyone else who bothers to learn and understand the jet has been. Hoggit being Hoggit again!

[@Enigma89]

Please sir have my upvote

[@tarnlicht3657]

Is there also mig21 vid?

[@Enigma89]

I have a ton of MiG-21 videos, it is what I mostly fly. Just check out some of my older videos.

[@crazygmanssimstuff]

The comment that the Viggen has less bugs....

[@bobr8766]

Allow the F-5 to carry four Sidewinders and it would be on par with the Mig-21. Change my mind…

[@Enigma89]

The F-5 with even having less missiles is on par or surpasses the MiG-21 in terms of a2a k/d performance on the server. The missiles are just that good.

[@bobr8766]

@@Enigma89 You can't fire what you don't have!

[@RoamingAdhocrat]

I've been carrying 2 missiles on the MiG-21 because I can't find anything despite Overlord and a 27" 1080p monitor, so my limiting factor is fuel and I usually RTB having not fired a thing

[@coldclaws2479]

reddit users cant do much more than take screenshots so they cope by saying the module is bad instead of actually learning how to play the game

[@sanka945]

exactly , F5 is pretty deadly in good hands

[@Synystr7]

This was my first module. So, clearly I am not cultured and informed enough to hate on it. Oh well...

[@MoleUK1]

It's a module that grows on you for sure. I still hate the guns, but enjoy flying it overall.

[@keystonepirate2534]

My daily flyer is the f5 😂

[@johnpancoast3236]

Air quake.

[@obsolete9734]

how do i play this game?

[@Enigma89]

www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/world/beta/ Here you go!

[@obsolete9734]

@@Enigma89 thank you!

[@obsolete9734]

@@Enigma89 hey i was wondering since i dont have a flight stick is it possible to still play this game with mouse and keyboard and get to a decent skill level?

[@jarllunde]

@@obsolete9734 you can use keyboard and/or mouse but I dont really recomend it. You can get some cheap joystics used or new. The saitek x56 is a good beginner stick. And I would also advise you to get some headtracking.

[@boom1538]

@@obsolete9734 Some people also have decent results with xbox controllers

[@jeffreyleftovers]

Kinda fun plane but very empty and featureless for the price. I mean. It’s the same price as the viggen and mirage 2000 and has like less than 1/3 of the features or detail in modeling. It’s a sale only and even the hurts to buy kind of module. Now you need it if you want to play blue Cold War, but it just kinda sucks that it has a sliver of what even the free A4 has to offer but the price of a real full blown 60+$ module. Even if it had no bugs. Still feels over priced to me. It’s just so bland, and lifeless.

[@Blake-jl8lh]

What is it missing?

[@jeffreyleftovers]

@@Blake-jl8lh the module? Not much. The plane? CCIP, INS navigation, aerial refueling etc. It’s not the modules fault it just feels like the plane itself doesn’t bring enough to warrant the price tag.

[@jeffreyleftovers]

I do enjoy flying it, but I delayed buying it for a long time for the reasons I listed above. And I have a hard time recommending to others unless it’s heavily on sale. Wish it was just like… 25-30$ I love doing adversary dogfighting friends who are learning the game (like f5 vs f18). Evens the playing field and makes it a challenge for both.

[@Blake-jl8lh]

@@jeffreyleftovers it's only 10 more dollars than the f86?

[@jeffreyleftovers]

@@Blake-jl8lh F5 isn’t the only plane who’s price tag doesn’t match the content.

[@Taliyon]

What the hell are people talking about? I harass newbie just picking up DCS, until the master the F-5 and/or Mig21. Before they start buying up all the other modules and complaining about the game.

[@thatonekull]

normally a mig-21 user but ill install the F-5 now and give it a try