Interpret the Smudges - DCS F-4E Phantom II Radar Introduction

[@Enigma89]

9/10 WSOs agree that subscribers are more likely to interpret the smudges correctly. Press the button 🧐

[@Checklist_STT]

Confirmed!

[@JNelson_]

It's true.

[@pinkfloyd7572]

That was pretty good. 😄

[@Deltarious]

I'm the tenth WSO.

[@mrshar1000]

Amazing video! Have you thought about switching the Viggen to the redfor side? May help them with fast A2G since the Phantom, F5, A4 are a pretty good combo for blue, and because we dont really know whats gonna happen for redfor future aircraft and there are loads more blue A2G on the way. Thanks again for the video!

[@mat552]

The missile has no idea where it is. Not the slightest clue. It is, though, like the rest of us, doing its best and that's all anyone can ask of it.

[@ethancampbell2422]

Does the missile know where it isn't ?

[@SVgamer72]

@@ethancampbell2422”By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation….”

[@banzaiib]

I came here for these replies... And was not disappointed

[@mellowroot714]

Good little missile

[@No_Deal-fergetaboutit]

I sent this to my dad. He was nav in RF-4C in Vietnam and a techie. He has the highest number of hours flying night recce missions of the entire war. He would snap up night missions from crews that typically didn't want them. He felt safer at night flying down in the valleys of the route packs. Used the radar in modes that were available but which the Air Force never trained, and other crews never used. Something about circular polarization, for instance, allowed him to see through the rain better. But only he used it. The RF had TFR so not the same as the E, but he came out of ADC (F-89D/H/J, F-101B) and was able to use the RF's radar for air-to-air to some degree. He retired O-6 after flying F-111A at Takhli and F's at Mt. Home. He loved his job; a true Scope Wizard. Great work on the model! Even I could see the scope follows the terrain realistically. Great work on the model! Even I could see the scope follows the terrain realistically.

[@Bull_10RR]

Would be amazing to pick his brain a little bit on discord sometime!

[@No_Deal-fergetaboutit]

@@Bull_10RR He does the occasional interview because he knows, in his head, is probably the last reservoir of first-hand information on these things. Unfortunately, at his age it's not possible to sit in front of a computer and have typing conversations.

[@michaelgriffin1601]

Thats awesome man! Sounds like he is one smart dude

[@gravygraves5112]

@@No_Deal-fergetaboutit Wonder if our fathers knew one another? My dad was stationed in Thailand around 73 iirc. He was a WSO in Phantoms and Aardvarks but I'm not 100% on which he was in at the time.

[@Tberror]

This has got to be the best radar simulation ever to demonstrate all those problems which other radars strife to filter. Zero Doppler, notching, jamming and burn through range? It’s all right there

[@slowhornet4802]

just wondering what this means in terms of balance: modules with simplified radars might have an advantage. AI aircraft probably even more than human players. E.g. the Heatblur F-4 radar might not pick up a Stealth aircraft while a simplified FC3 F-5 might do.

[@Tberror]

@@slowhornet4802 well, competitive DCS will have custom balancing rules. Otherwise: the same argument could be made for modern vs old jets - the sim is not fair at all, it does not try to be, nor should it.

[@christerjackson9589]

@@slowhornet4802 That has been a thing for ages, there is also no FC3 F-5? The F-5E's radar isn't all that good and has little use in a BVR engagement seeing it only has seekers.

[@slowhornet4802]

@@Tberror My point is: it is a difference if a fight is unfair because the same system is modelled differently or because there is actually a difference in real life. With same system I do not mean e.g. the exact same radar, rather than radar physics being modelled differently. E.g. a FC3 level F-4 would probably have a lot of advantages over a HB F-4: it would be much more HOTAS, and if on top the radar modelling is simplified it might have better radar detection capabilities than the HB version. Or reacting completely different against jamming. I think this is a fundamental problem which will not be solved in DCS, but it is also something where DCS lacks gameplay wise. E.g. aircraft like the Tornado or F-111 are using TFR. In case of the F-111 they ran into issues when one aircraft received returns from another F-111. Or when even SAM radar interfered with the TFR (happened when F-111 flew into Libya.). With a proper and harmonized radar sim across all modules this might even happen without any scripting. But with the current implementation it will not.

[@cheemsburbgerlounge7510]

@@christerjackson9589 "no fc3 f5" only a little bit of time now till that changes

[@Bullet4MyEnemy]

Wow, dude - this is awesome. One of the things I tend to struggle with when using radars in general is how to scale the display to the outside world, I know on the display the target is say 10 miles away, but I don't really know how far 10 miles is in terms of the world outside the cockpit. Being able to see the ground on the display, despite being annoying for getting a lock, is actually really good for gauging where in the sky to look for visual target acquisition, I can't wait to wrap my head around this in a multiplayer environment - also intrigued by how well Jester will be able to manipulate everything your human WSO is doing here and how he'll compare to a real player WSO of various skill levels.

[@Enigma89]

They added this button called Jester Context. It's a button you can press and it basically queues Jester to do something and it seems to work well so far. So if he is hovering over a contact, you can press that button and he will lock it. Excited to see how it goes in multiplayer

[@Enigma89]

This will probably be the only F-4 video that I will have time to do before the module comes out. My schedule has been incredibly compressed as of late. So with less time, my original plan of videos had to change a bit so I hope people found this interesting and useful

[@jfiery]

Great intro for us. It is going to be added to your server I hope.

[@aaaaaaaawwwwwwww]

Hi Enigma, I bought this module on pre order and syria to join your server, will it be allowed unrestricted? Thanks from a fan.

[@Enigma89]

@@aaaaaaaawwwwwwww Yes it will be on unrestricted

[@Enigma89]

@@jfiery Yes it will be on

[@eatleadcobra]

Really like this video. Plenty of youtubers making cinematics and how-to-bomb but getting a high level perspective on what the radar is actually doing and how things are happening behind the scenes is really cool. Great idea

[@fa-ajn9881]

Loved seeing the tu-95 jamming

[@theleeharveyoswaldexperien1883]

This is shaping up to be the most detailed DCS module by a good margin, incredibly excited to start learning the F-4.

[@renevanderkraats224]

Not only the radar, but the patina on everything, the detailing, the smudge on the mirrors, the sound...unbelievable.

[@jamesyoungquist6923]

I work with a guy who used to fly the F4. He says you could hear the radar antenna clunking as it swung back and forth. His words. Very cool to see ray tracing used to simulate the radar

[@bullitthead7853]

You can hear the radar clunk in the F-15E module.

[@XiaOmegaX]

Imagine a future when RT capability in GPU actually gets so good it can *fully* simulate radar without much performance hit.

[@biggus3348]

Upvoted for historically appropriate missile choice.

[@TomP-148]

I always liked the look of radar displays below the HUD.

[@zanaduz2018]

17:00 The reason why urban areas are more reflective and water, less reflective (on average) is due to the presence (or lack thereof in the case of water bodies) of vertical surfaces. You will see some clutter from the ocean due to surface waves, but it tends to be minimal unless you’re flying in a storm. Radar gets stronger returns from surfaces that are perpendicular to line-of-sight compared to parallel surfaces (like the surface of a lake).

[@JNelson_]

Water is less reflective in general too. You can actually see the waves on the Phantom radar, not shown in the video but putting the wind up you will see it.

[@alexpitts7634]

Thanks!

[@Enigma89]

You bet!

[@grinnellidesigns]

Sick video boys!! The radar work is legendary!!! The bar gets higher and higher. Amazing work all around!!

[@Bullet4MyEnemy]

F-100 when? ❤

[@DieselThunderAviation]

Darn good video Enigma! Love knowing how stuff works under the hood which gives one a broader knowledge of the system!

[@Pekins_]

how the radar interprets jamming is really cool, and finding the solution to over come that is also super interesting

[@cowansimstudio]

One thing to realise Enigma cannot talk and taxi at the same time lol. Wacky races. Great vid as always! Looking forward to seeing the chaos this brings to the cold war servers

[@Starmast3rmusic]

This is why Enigma is the GOAT. Thanks for the intro and the interview/overview! Amazing stuff! They put a lot of work into the radar and it shows.

[@March-man]

Thanks to you and thanks to Nelson. It were nice 20 minutes ❤️⚡

[@crazygmanssimstuff]

Awesome video man. Love to see the radar working in action. It is quite impressive what HB has done with it.

[@Enigma89]

Couldn't agree more!

[@bukhariali71]

Wow. Hunting for targets is going to like finding a rusty needle in a haystack. The WSOs deserve a raise just for this. 🤗

[@jdreyes3745]

A rusty needle in a muddy haystack, to be precise.

[@Dionysus2009]

ED needs to work with Heatblur and pay them to use this in all radars. Geeze good job Heatblur

[@insanity2477]

They Already pay them to make the module(unless if their name is razbam)

[@Dionysus2009]

@@insanity2477 I mean pay to use the radar technology. From my interpretation of what was said was that this is the first radar that doesn't see everything and just hide what's not supposed to be seen. Imagine if the AI could only see what they actually see and not god like awareness

[@Jacksonflax]

@@Dionysus2009 I mean its not the first to have actual simulated ground reflectivity modeled, that would be the F-15E. It just doesnt have any sort of clutter filtering

[@Ferkal]

Amazing work, thank you for sharing it. It will be as exciting as it is gonna be challenging to use that RADAR in a vibrant and evolving combat environment.

[@mackho8888]

Fantastic video, thank you. Creating this radar culture for the F4 is huge.

[@therocinante3443]

This.. THIS is the module we've all been waiting for. Amazing!!

[@nihprodne]

was hoping for a good radar video on the f4, much appreciated

[@ripper132212]

this really made it click, after reading the manual they've published. great vid!

[@ghostdog688]

This is a great place to start for the WSO mains like me. Looking forward to more in depth tutorials, but also going to be good to see it in a life environment.

[@griffin5012]

Love the video - WOW that radar !!!! Let's hope there is an interest in becoming WSOs as we don't want to see just single players with jester doing all the work

[@davegt27]

using auto Acquisition is something people should be aware of (I had the APQ-120 in tech school but went on to A10's for my first base)

[@PeterMatthess]

ordered today and looking forward to getting stuck in! I would really like to fly with a bunch of other people who also want to fly the Phantom, and one day I might even manage to learn the RIO seat, or fly up front while someone else is in the backseat. So your cold war server seems to be the best place to hang out for that!

[@jubuttib]

So basically what I learned from this, is that I will tell my pilot to fly at Viggen altitudes, always.

[@StillBigWill44]

Wow. This WSO seat is going to be pretty damn fun from the looks of it.

[@RoamingAdhocrat]

This is tremendous. If you've got the chance to do any more vids like this with mod devs I'd live to hear them!

[@minisimian]

Totally looking forward to a wave of F4's in the server as everyone plays with the new plane . This is my favorite warplane of all time .

[@Dcscockpit]

I just would desperately love to speak with a developer to just grasp my head around how these games are made and how they work…mind blowing

[@bretttrommler756]

I have a radar question. When im airborne, I jump back to the WSO seat and set the radar up how I want it; usually a 25 mile PPI if I'm just navigating through terrain. But whenever I jump back to the pikot seat, after about 2-3 seconds the pilots display sqitches back to a 50 mile B scope. It shows the 25 mile PPI for a second or two, then it switches to 50 mile B scope. Why does it do that? What am i missing? Is there some setting somewhere that makes that a default display for the pilot? The only time I can get it to change is if I go to a heat missile auto acq. Then it will go down to 5 miles. Another thing is, there are Jester commands to change the radar mode and scan size, but not the range? I cant ask Jester to change the range??? Whats up with that? So anyway, why does my radar revert back to 50 mile B scope every time i jump back in the pulot seat?😊

[@madaxe606]

Really good stuff. Appreciate the context for how the F-4 will look in MP. I was worried the radar was going to be modelled such that Redfor would have little chance avoiding being locked and then Sparrow'd. Curious to see how Jester will be able to perform at picking out those faint returns.

[@Royalasiangaming]

what kind of air to air missiles does the f4e have access to for this module

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

Great video tips and interview! Which I feel this module will be game changing for the flight sim space based on just high deff it is for "Just" $80. Also as the F4 whisper I can't wait to get this guy qand do my nonsense with him!

[@Psiikix]

That WSO role gonna be as fun as flying itself

[@peterbrown3157]

Would've liked to see a little RWR action, but I'm guessing that could've gotten in the way of the interview. Great stuff as usual enigma

[@Alexdu0720]

wso will be really needed for the F4

[@SteonCZ]

Awesome video , Thank you👍

[@-Sunny--]

what a cozy cockpit

[@jamesrothwell8693]

Will we get Fox1s back on the Mirage on ECW?

[@scoutslz]

Probaly only when we get a real radar

[@Enigma89]

When Aerges models the radar more

[@briantoplessbar4685]

So notch won’t be a thing vs a pulse radar but chaff is way stronger correct? Can a pulse radar provide velocity data or closure? Maybe only in Stt?

[@ironroad18]

The FIS! Air Defense Command for the win!

[@koughbraw]

Love that radar! Is it possible to control radar functions from the front-seat? Gain, elevation, locking targets etc? I'm asking if it's possible IN THE GAME, not irl.

[@Enigma89]

You can control the radar, from the frontseat, in an indirect way via Jester. As for direct control that you have in the front seat, this is really centered around the bore sight features.

[@tristanmole5885]

Any update on falcon 5.0

[@Enigma89]

I have no news.

[@-thegiggles-]

Algo boosting comment for the homie

[@Enigma89]

thx you sir

[@DTMCRAZYGAMING]

WOW what a game charger!!!

[@vimfuego8827]

Can you play in the back seat in single player?

[@mytubehkjt]

How does the F4 go on lower spec computers? Cheers.

[@Enigma89]

I have a 5800X + 3070ti with 64gb of ram. I was getting 90-110 fps in this mission that you saw.

[@rossmarbow-combatflightsim5922]

@@Enigma89 Get an 5800x3d you bum Plus I won't have to fix your bios voltages again, it will just work at same or less soc voltage, should basically just slot in with basically the same settings, pretty much

[@Darkline27]

Stellar!!

[@lluvik2450]

A question I have about module programming like this is what language do they use? Is all of the radar programming for instance in Lua, or do they somehow use let's say C# or something?

[@JNelson_]

C++ and hlsl for the shaders.

[@therocinante3443]

Wow, so the radar actually works like a radar!

[@agidotexe7167]

kind of a scuffed video but i like it, pure raw gameplay, very hyped to fly it on ECW

[@spinningsquare1325]

Holy crap smegma early access

[@Rhinozherous]

I guess jester is not doing things like gain optimization?

[@JNelson_]

Jester will try to keep the gain as high as possible to detect targets, once he has a target he will adjust gain for that target.

[@Rhinozherous]

@@JNelson_ Awesome!

[@_DANZIG_]

Great video

[@abolfazlkiyani4787]

Very helpful video but i would like to see how the jester works with tihs kind of old radar

[@Enigma89]

I'll work on that next

[@nyandyn]

Whoever flagged the intro screens as sponsored content: It should have been self-promotion instead.

[@TechGaming45]

Right 90 in to straight flat out.. Nice taxiing... Can't wait forth is to be released to us vultures..

[@stefanonapoli7282]

Ok, this is awesome! And I think F-4's radar helps understanding from the basic how the radars work in general. It reminds me the F-5 Tiger's radar a little, correct?

[@PaddyPatrone]

Will the F4 only be on the Blue side?

[@Enigma89]

Yes

[@CocoDave37]

Can it do mach 2.2 like the real thing?

[@vexingrabbit1824]

without weapons, fuel tanks, low fuel, on a good day yes it can be push 2.3 if your lucky but more like 2.1 to be honest. However it's still very fast compare to most aircraft. Like the F-18 hornet is only mach 1.8 but honestly more like 1.6. So the F-4 will be fast since the 3rd gens was about speed to catch bombers but we will see how it handles in game.

[@CocoDave37]

@@vexingrabbit1824 Excellent as that would be a good advantage over some of the other fighters for sure! Can't wait!!

[@Maceoneone]

Will the f4 be point locked or will it have a restriction on what it can carry? I think it shouldn’t be point locked but carrying sparrows should be locked. Unless redfor gets more fox1s ofc

[@Enigma89]

It wont be point locked. ECW will be the home of the module and it will always be available.

[@spinningsquare1325]

​@@Enigma89Will you please run a fox 1 scenario on caucasus

[@pandelli526]

​@@Enigma89 unlock the f1ee?

[@nentic7811]

Hey Enigma, will the F-4 be added to the Server when it comes out?

[@Enigma89]

yES

[@nentic7811]

Great, thank you!

[@ajkulac9895]

That radar is giving me Fallout vibes

[@Kolobochok95]

Now imagine if the Mig-21 had the same radar simulation.

[@SDsc0rch]

fascinating

[@new_comment]

I feel so sorry for you, for living in nyc. I vote to give the Strike Eagle module to Heatblur, wait, then appreciate the magic.

[@Alex-yk3bw]

Dibs on JNelson as my WSO!!

[@Scoobydcs]

We need to interview starbaby for this

[@71stMastiff]

Where’s the gun?

[@ryu1940]

Hipgang will be safe from radar detection 🙏

[@capofigo]

Incredibile

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

6:05 that is some VTOL VR nonsense and is yet another thing that makes this module a next gen experience for DCS and even other sims.

[@PluckyUnderdog]

Naturally Nelson is British, as we are the best at everything haha. Great, informative video 👍

[@akisakis7980]

I want to see F14 Jester VS F4 Jester

[@RoamingAdhocrat]

4:20 the radar systems know they exist in DCS because they know where they do not

[@NoRegret08]

So basically never going to find anyone in a live multilayer environment, especially in a fireball, which is easy to do in MIG 21. I wish the developer touched upon IFF and ground clutter filter, just like Low Alt Filter in MIG 21. I really don't want to be staring at the radar most of the time and trying to interpret and fiddle with it too much. Then, the experience becomes similar to looking at the MFD in F-16. It's easy to glance at the radar in MIG 21 or Mirage F1 without fiddling too much and then continue to scan the area out of the canopy with your eyes. I hope I am wrong , but this is the impression I get .

[@mrwolverinio]

She got me phantom till I'm off

[@LtRiot]

Hear like in helmet would have done this video wonders

[@ericbouza854]

Those smuges remind me of the ultrasound of my daughter when my wife was 5 months pregnant with her 35 years ago. I could not tell her legs from her head. Thankfully, she came out healthy and grew to be a very beautiful young lady. But on the ultrasound she looked like a piece of chewed up bubble gum. 😂

[@TheOrdomalleus666]

I'm sure the radar will be very helpful in discerning what sex the baby is going to be.

[@rossmarbow-combatflightsim5922]

Man I wish DCS got its act together and started working like a real game. The differences between just radars alone is sad.

[@Enigma89]

More Standardization would be great

[@rossmarbow-combatflightsim5922]

@@Enigma89 I have been using a dualshock with gyro (instead of head tracking, stick, throttle) and pedals dough. and having a blast in the frogfoot on the server. totally surprised to be able to push a steady (for dcs) 235 fps to my oled panel (5800x3d with 4070 at 1600*900 gamer settings). really tempted to buy the grossly overpriced dualsense so I can go hall effect. And when sony releases its new VR for PC Sony is going to become the real sim VIP.

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

3:46 To be fair that is true with all modern USAF Heavy fighter from the F-4 to the F-35... So your dead on.

[@ziepex7009]

goooooooooooooooooooooooooood

[@Phvpark]

TBH the F-4 radar looks better to understand and operate than the F-14, while you need to DJ the controls to get a good picture it is more simpler to operate.

[@oldmanfunky4909]

The F-16's are going to take the F-4's lunch money on launch day.

[@facethefaceandmore44]

Christ, are you using the Z and X keys to taxi?

[@Enigma89]

Rudder pedals but I did not bind the nose wheel steering to anything easy to reach yet 😂😂

[@sageg58]

In da city

[@N238E]

F-4 has A-10 vibes.

[@jpatty5473]

Finally someone used the 🔫

[@UWfalcin]

Aaaaaahhhhhh!!!

[@Enigma89]

That's a good war face

[@TheMartieno]

I bet this Nelson guy eats a lot of cheese