Aprilia Tuareg v Pegaso - New vs Old

[@johnmclay6817]

I have two Aprilia pegaso 650 cube motorbikes, both of the outback spec. Each has travelled in excess of 120,000 km and are the most reliable and practical motorcycles that I've ever owned. I thoroughly agree with this authoritative discussion as to why the older Aprilia is simply superb, even by the most modern bike's standards it's handling is on another level. These bikes have taken me to visit my family in the Queensland outback on a 2,000 km round trip at sustained speeds of 70 - 80 mph with ease over "B" grade roads without any problems many times. I ride either identical bike to work daily. I'm so glad that I watched your excellent video as I now feel entirely vindicated in my long ownership and passion for the pegaso. Please keep up the wonderful story telling.

[@barebonesmc]

cheers for the comment and thanks for watching :-) it is you who vindicates me making the video 🙂 welcome aboard mate

[@johnmclay6817]

@@barebonesmc I also own an origional Suzuki DR600R Dakar so we may have that motorcycle ownership in comon as well!

[@barebonesmc]

@@johnmclay6817 mines gone now lol, replaced by KLR600 then Cagiva W12 lol it was a great bike and started great, but could be a shit ticking over when hot and it did bite back occasionally lol, it left me in some ridiculous situations lol

[@8500gtNvidia]

I am an owner of a Pegaso 650 cube '98 (carbs) 5 years now...i can say that electronically speaking i havent had any issue...maybe sometimes does some strange things, hoffing and tossing, missing some sparks when o leave in the cold and humid nights, the start relay gets stuck sometimes...yes, the battery is always low in the winter but beside that when you understand what cares he needs, he will not ever let you down. If happens, 5 bolts off and you are good to check anything needed...once something went wrong with the starter/battery connections/starting relay, whatever...2 hits with the hammer and boom...it started like a charm.. Once i wanted to sell it...set a meet with the buyer and 1 hour before the meet, the Peg started pissing brake oil...the back brake oil tube broke..that was the sign...he wanted to stay with me...indeed repaired it with 2 new reinforced oil tubes and we are still in love more than ever ❤️ Pegasos are not mortorcycle ..Peggys are the best companion which will always be there for you waiting for great advantures Old bikes has a soul which the new digital bikes does not...get a friend with warm heart not a cold motorcycle which start anytime without any emotion

[@barebonesmc]

Great story 🙂Cheers for adding your bit mate. Ride Free 🙂

[@johnpackwood5454]

Pegaso was a great bike. Had one a few years back, was the only bike I have ever owned that could truly do everything.

[@barebonesmc]

the size and weight shocked me when i sat on it to be fair, memories faded from when they were released, I wasnt so keen then, now i think it fills a big gap in the market

[@georgegill1815]

I loved my Pegaso but bad electrics and carb problems kept it off the road. When it was going, it was a joy to ride and always put a smile on my face.

[@barebonesmc]

lol, ive just had temp sensor pack up it seems, :-) Cheers for watching mate, enjoy your weekend

[@8500gtNvidia]

I am an owner of a Pegaso 650 cube '98 (carbs) 5 years now...i can say that electronically speaking i havent had any issue...maybe sometimes does some strange things, hoffing and tossing, missing some sparks when o leave in the cold and humid nights, the start relay gets stuck sometimes...yes, the battery is always low in the winter but beside that when you understand what cares he needs, he will not ever let you down. If happens, 5 bolts off and you are good to check anything needed...once something went wrong with the starter/battery connections/starting relay, whatever...2 hits with the hammer and boom...it started like a charm.. Once i wanted to sell it...set a meet with the buyer and 1 hour before the meet, the Peg started pissing brake oil...the back brake oil tube broke..that was the sign...he wanted to stay with me...indeed repaired it with 2 new reinforced oil tubes and we are still in love more than ever ❤️ Pegasos are not mortorcycle ..Peggys are the best companion which will always be there for you waiting for great advantures

[@John_Smith__]

Great Review no doubt! Thanks for your video!

[@barebonesmc]

Cheers for watching mate 🙂 Ride Free

[@Paul-67]

I liked your comparisons of the two bikes, what you said makes a lot of sense to me. I have recently purchased a Suzuki XF650 and have yet to ride it due to health issues. Can’t wait to get on it, it seems to be a good common sense machine by reviews I’ve read. Thanks for your fascinating vids. Paul.

[@barebonesmc]

cheers mate, much appreciated, and yep, the XF is a steady old donkey, A DR with a little more finesse lol, only a little, but they are good bikes, I wanted your electric start on my old DR600 lol

[@stewart8127]

Never trust doctors

[@charlesbarnett2724]

Great review and round up. Looking at a 2001 pegaso with around 38,000 miles on it for a bit over a grand. Anything I ort to look oit for?

[@barebonesmc]

head gasket, water pump seal, fuel leaks, and bodged wiring, there is a return spring on the decompressor that wasnt good but most were done long ago. if its slow to start turning on the starter it might need doing but its not hard. but they are pretty good tractors with a bit more zest than most singles

[@Euronasa]

Excellent review!!

[@barebonesmc]

glad you enjoyed it mate 🙂 Theres plenty more on the channel, hope you will look around and find something your interested in. there is more on the website too. and there will be more to come. Cheers for watching. Ride Free 🙂

[@TheFaitteri]

Some points though: Pegaso 650 first appeared in 1992, not 1994. The tank capacity is 14 liters (4 liter reserve), not 22. And I only have experience on my 1992 model for some 13.000 kilometers, and the vibration is really nasty on less than 3000 rpms, basically unusable on a city traffic. You just have to rev higher. And the fairing has a funny habit of pushing your legs wider and wider apart when traveling at 80-100 kmh and you have to constantly grip tightly to the tank with your legs, which is a pain on a longer trips. But I love the bike

[@barebonesmc]

I didnt talk about the earlier air cooled 600, (I thought i said that?) this is specifically about the water cooled Rotax powered 650 with the 5 valve head, a VERY different engine, My knowledge of the air cooled one is much less. Cheers for adding your comments, and greetings to Poland, have a great day. Hope you will join us

[@TheFaitteri]

@@barebonesmc that's right, you spoke of 650cc bike. But the 600cc was produced between 1990 and 1991, the 650 came out 1992. I'm hoping to have a 600cc version someday, today I only have 1992 and 1994 bikes. And that new Tuareg 660 too, that's the reason why I found your video interesting :) Cheers!

[@barebonesmc]

@@TheFaitteri interesting, where are you? all the dates i have are 94 on the 650, but ive been wrong before. and it could be different markets got it at different times. the 600 is a very different bike/engine. much more of a tractor.

[@TheFaitteri]

@@barebonesmc I'm in Finland. I remember this one quite well, I turned 18 in 1992 and that Pegaso 650 was a big dream of mine. It took me some decades to get one for myself..

[@barebonesmc]

@@TheFaitteri i will always accept if im wrong, im obviously not the only one wrong on this though as I did cross check it before. i only got mine 2 years ago after a few years of searching

[@Jones-xx2gc]

I had a Pegaso Strada 650 back in the 2000's from new. It was a good bike and I should have really kept it a bit longer than I did. My fault, it was a 650 and thought it should be quicker than it was. Have a KTM Duke 390 now and I'm quite happy with it. Well almost. Great video.

[@barebonesmc]

cheers for watching mate 🙂 enjoy the ride

[@smily2208]

I love to see a video on the rotax 652cc it has so much history. And yes, I own one a tr650.

[@barebonesmc]

thought id answered this but youtube saying i havent ? i do love the Terra, great bikes

[@blacktea4835]

Hello, thank you very much for the comparison, I also enjoy watching your other videos. They are very informative and based on (as I assume) on many years of personal experience - and it shows. Maybe a small suggestion - the camera footage on this video is a bit blurred and (lower?) quality - with 4K footage, it would be better I guess. Keep doing these great videos - i have already subscribed:-))

[@barebonesmc]

i do my best, and am constantly looking at how to improve things, sorting sound out has been a major headache but i feel like im finally getting there with that, some recent footage i have done has been much better all around, it will keep improving, and cheers for the support

[@Jones-xx2gc]

Thanks!

[@barebonesmc]

thank you my friend, much appreciated, cheers for watching mate 🙂 enjoy the ride

[@barebonesmc]

I liked the Terra, that short marriage was a strange one lol. BMW could/should have done so much more. If you look at the bikes both brands built, the Terra, Nuda, 650 Xcountry and F650 and 800, then place the developements in todays market, people would be knocking down the doors to get at them. bikes before their time i think. The 650 Pegaso still turns heads and will keep up with most things through the twisties. It shocked me how light it was in real terms when i first got it. I wish my good lady liked it more, but she is spoiled by the Vstrom seat lol

[@G58]

Finally found this vid. Nicely done as always. The 5 valve Rotax engined Pegaso model is indeed pleasantly lighter than I expected. It’s also named after the Greek Pegasus - according to Ionis (the Greek God 🧐😎😜)

[@barebonesmc]

glad you found it mate, theres this of me riding it around derbyshire, just some raw footage kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKrEh5Rrm62trpY

[@G58]

@@barebonesmc Cool. Thank you for sharing. It’s p€$$tulating here right now, so I’ll check it out. Peace

[@barebonesmc]

@@G58 yep, we had a few dry spots today but not much, n yesterday was a complete wash out

[@G58]

@@barebonesmc Been a bit better here part of today. ‘Climate change’…!🙄

[@barebonesmc]

@@G58 change being a very apt term, whatever happened to 4 seasons eh 🙂

[@jackg381]

Hello, I was wondering if you could help me with my questions and observations. I'm debating whether to buy one. I test drove one recently - but it WAS juddery and vibrated a lower speeds (especially gears 1-4). The dealer said this was due to it being a single and nothing to worry about, but you are saying it is remarkably absent at low speeds? Is this not normal? I also felt like the bike struggled if the gear was only slightly too high for the speedo, it wanted me to push it and rev high (as you say) so that seems normal. I felt overall that the bike wanted me to push it to go faster, and not sure if it would make for a pleasant country lane tourer, as I felt slightly distracted trying to simply manage the bike to keep it happy for the gear I was in. Is this your experience at all?

[@barebonesmc]

have to say for me, it is one of the smoothest singles i have ridden, and ive had a few lol. never had it bog down on me at low revs, but yes, it does have a hooligan streak, it likes to be revved, but i have had relaxed rides on it too. it is just so light it makes everything easy compared to most ADV bikes. i would say if its juddery then wait and find a better one they do come along

[@diggy-d8w]

I know nothing of either of these bikes but I'm hearing the theme/comparisons between old -n- new plus other factors. Being in the United States we don't see as much of the Euro-brands of bikes although the internet has been changing some of that. I have to say I like the look of the Aprillia 660 in the one I saw as a naked bike. Naked is what I'd call all the bikes I grew up looking at & what I'm kinda hearing in this is a deepened look at my intent for a bike. Adventure bikes are generally much heavier than I care for but when I listen to you speak about these it opens my mind to why I must consider these bigger bikes. Whatever type bike I get it'll be one that I know the parts are easy to get here. That's most bike but KTM/Husq are somewhat slow from what I'm hearing but IDKnow for sure? I don't like Harley but I don't hate then either, I like the Japanese bikes b/c I know the reliability of them. That rings truth to me & since I no longer can work, I can't have bikes that require too much upkeep. Even though this bike isn't for me it did open my eyes to the reasons not to rule out this size of bike. Great video & seeing the places you ride lets me know a lot about the bikes ability as well. Thanks for the link..... Chat soon

[@barebonesmc]

I tend to choose the less trodden paths 🙂 and re the ADV bikes, it is only recently theyve got so big and heavy, the Pegaso is much smaller, as was my Cagiva Navigator, 1000cc TL Suzuki engine in a red blooded Italian Chassis 🙂

[@diggy-d8w]

Hey buddy, sorry I didn't get here sooner..... a bit under the weather but I'll be back to chat w/ you soon as I feel a little better. You're like a treasure trove of forgotten knowledge but it's how you collate -n- deliver that's all your style. I'll catch up w/ you in a couple of days..... take care... peace

[@barebonesmc]

@@diggy-d8w get well soon mate, you concentrate on that, chat soon, thoughts with you

[@rethinking-h8k]

I'll ad the freewind, even lighter... I'll want your opinion on another quirky bike, the Dr big. Thanks.... Awesome Chanel 👌

[@barebonesmc]

I will be honest, i think the DR Big was a step too far, although it is coming in a video before too long 🙂 i tried two as i wasn't sure the first time, but my old DR600 was far better off road and almost as good on it, the KLR600 even better, the DR Big just felt like it was always shaking itself apart, but that is just my opinion, i never owned one long so an owner might tell a different story. cheers for the support, spread the word because KZbin is playing games with my channel at the minute, the full story in on the community page, Ride Free my friend

[@rethinking-h8k]

@barebonesmc thanks. This is the most interesting Chanel of the lot... 👌👌👌

[@barebonesmc]

thanks for your support 🙂Cheers for adding your bit too mate. Ride Free 🙂

[@markbutters5829]

I had a Pegaso on a W reg which i liked but the wife didn't as to many vibes on the hand grips and not that much room, mind you she had been spoilt by being pillon on my VF 1000 😊

[@barebonesmc]

Thats my problem, shes been spoiled by the Vstrom lol

[@nobbysnononsensegearreview8057]

Love this, been eyeing a pegaso as they are cheaper than the funduro

[@barebonesmc]

I looked for a while but found a nice one eventually 😊

[@Nobby77]

I've seen a couple, because I need more bikes lol

[@barebonesmc]

@@Nobby77I’m thinning them out now 😊 where are u?

[@Nobby77]

@@barebonesmc Isle of wight. Going to see one tomorrow

[@barebonesmc]

@@Nobby77 good luck 🙂

[@sadwingsraging3044]

Oh I would get the Pegaso no doubt about it.😎👍🏻

[@barebonesmc]

i did lol, but why? what would be the deciding factor for you? cheers for watching mate, have a good weekend 🙂

[@sadwingsraging3044]

@@barebonesmc Mainly the weight and maneuverability. It would be nice to slide the forks up in the tree and slide a 21 inch up in between them. I thought Honda was working on a 20" tire that had an OD the same as a 21" tire?🤔 Taller sidewalls. THAT would be perfect.😎👍🏻 Have a good one!

[@barebonesmc]

@@sadwingsraging3044 it is very flickable 🙂 not heard about the 20" wheels, will see what i come across, cheers mate, have a good one

[@MrVinnyh]

The other thing on costs you didn't mention if you had the misfortune to dropped either bike of road, what might brake and easy repaired or could level you stranded! Also as a sideline the single sounds better

[@barebonesmc]

thats true, the Pegaso bodywork is tougher too though, as to the sound, mines got a collector and a single large bore stainless can under the seat instead of the 2 original ones, so it weighs even less and sounds great i think, id say better than the Tuareg for sure but its not a fair comparison with an aftermarket can :-)

[@stevied6286]

I'm a little underwhelmed by the overwhelming addition of huge amounts of tech..and since the speed of the taureg is likely to be achieved in licence losing territory..I'm surprised I didn't find an original Rotax Taureg although the pegaso for me at atleast 7k less is too close to the later bikes performance to warrant that cost and ...I'm guessing...Big service cost atop the new Taureg and hideous depreciation! I'm with you on idea of a modern pegaso although a 650 Cube in cracking condition would be a splendid purchase or even the later Trail with the Yamaha lump!

[@barebonesmc]

being honest, good ones arent easy to find over here but after about 3 years of looking i found one that was great and not overpriced, im just going over it now, i love it, but unfortunately the gorgeous one has been spoiled by the Vstrom pillion seat lol, but it is a lovely and very lightweight bike compared to anything newer. although the Kove 800X is still claiming 175kg wet for the production run, and the new CF Moto 450 MT twin is coming in around 165kg if the lads at EICMA are to be believed 🙂 the Chinese seem to be listening more than the big boys right now

[@humandroid53]

What was good then can still be good now. Not much of a single cylinder fan though.

[@barebonesmc]

Each to their own as they say mate, I had hoped it would be a lighter option than the Vstrom for me but it wont be taking over, but it is great fun when im out on my own :-) and have to say it feels very different to most big singles, but if we all wanted the same bikes it would get silly lol

[@rethinking-h8k]

Hi there, are you familiar with the dorsoduro? It catches my eye, it's very cheap right now. The press didn't gave them a welcome. But from my investigation the shiver platform are very reliable. People took them even offroad. The caponord seams to share the same platform. What am I missing? I can't find a test bike to try... Three are 750,900, 1200, all very cheap. They are a bit havey. Is it a dil breaker? Ad daily it's seams more suitable than docati equivalent to me. Am I wrong?

[@barebonesmc]

i like the Dorsa, except for the size of the fuel tank, the Caponard came in 2 eras, a 1000, then a 1200, both were great bikes, but yes, heavy, especially for any of road use, they are good mile eaters though

[@rethinking-h8k]

@barebonesmc are the dorsoduro had that havey filing to it? Or they did a good job to hide that weight ?🤔

[@barebonesmc]

@@rethinking-h8k the Dorsa is lighter, similar to the hypermotard in many ways, air cooled on Ducati, water cooled for the Dorsa, so each have advantages

[@rethinking-h8k]

@@barebonesmc thanks a lot 🙏

[@barebonesmc]

@@rethinking-h8k personally, i like the smaller Dorsa better than the bigger one, but that just suits me better. its down to how it fits you and your riding, have fun

[@smartassist9700]

I need seat at 30 inches or shorter. Either one? I love the brand

[@barebonesmc]

you should be ok on the Pegaso, the Tuareg seat is higher

[@aks13v35]

Why not compare the new Tuareg with the previous such bike Pegaso Trail?

[@barebonesmc]

because i prefer the Rotax to the Yamaha engine, and I have one of them here. why specifically the Trail?

[@marvinbanka7592]

Ill go with the old one every time.

[@barebonesmc]

well ive seen 2 tower mounts break on the Tuareg 660 now, so i tend to agree, they werent heavy crashes either

[@arni4946]

I love the Pegaso but unfortunately you need to realy get prepared in order to buy one, especially if there are no mechanics around who would fix it up. Because of the age of motorcycle and the tendency of these old motorcycles to be used as first bikes, the condition of these are not good, because no one takes them seriously, and service them. The valve clearance need to be checked and adjusted. The carburators needs to be checked ,cleaned and adjusted. The suspension as well. The chain and gears probably need to be changed as well. The water pump and Bendix tends to fail, so they probably need to changed as well.Changing the brake oil and brake pads and disks, etc. I realy wanted to buy one Pegaso or Bmw F650 but I just don't have the knowledge and equipment and space to do all of these. It's not that easy buying a used motorcycle, it's realy hard to find one in ok condition that would would be worth buying despite the low cost. You need to buy it before winter and service it up until the season starts making all the arrangements in due time.

[@barebonesmc]

spannering isnt that hard. and most of what you are taking about is routine maintenance on any bike as far as im concerned. valve clearances on the Pegaso doesnt come around too often, yes they are work, but not hard work, and the Pegaso build quality is great, gearbox should last a lifetime, about 3 checks and fixes which have already been done on a lot, will keep them running with no problems as far as im concerned, the early water cooled Rotax lump is a gem. Learning is the fun bit too, and riding a bike you know inside out is the best safety tech anyone can have, and talk kindly to them and theres plenty of old idiots like me who will be happy to help and pass on what they know. ask, you might be surprised

[@arni4946]

@@barebonesmc thanks for your comment, The Pegaso cube's and Bmw F650's that I checked weren't confidence-inspiring and I didn't dared to buy them. It would have been my first bike, BUT I found for sale a 2010 Yamaha xt660r yesterday at a really good price and made a deal with the guy. It cost twice as much but man I'm happy with it. I just rode it this morning, before work for 2 hours in -1 degrees and it was a blast despite the cold, you couldn't wipe the smile off my face.

[@barebonesmc]

@@arni4946 the xt are great bikes and if it suits you thats all that matters, from memory buy some decent front wheel bearings and keep them handy, i think thats about the only thing i remember people moaning about, and they are standard sizes and its an easy job, the forums will help too im sure, enjoy it

[@arni4946]

@@barebonesmc thanks for the advice and have a nice week!

[@barebonesmc]

@@arni4946 you too, hope you have years of fun with the bike too

[@Ian-bq7gp]

Ive always been put off italian bikes because of the dodgy electrics. The engines and complicated build means its hard to work on.

[@barebonesmc]

being honest, i love Rotax engines and havent had that issue with them, mine were older ones but up to 2000, i guess the extra valve does make it more complicated than the BMW version, but not a lot, and its worth it so far 🙂 enjoy your weekend

[@Moto.roller.]

As an older single man, it makes sense I get an older single to ride the Dales too 😂

[@barebonesmc]

🤣🤣🤣

[@stewart8127]

No Pegasos in the USA

[@barebonesmc]

really? not in all the years they were made? that seems incredible

[@ladinskeem7381]

I got one in Oregon, there is some out there. They didn't sell well in the states.

[@zefautino]

Pegaso 650, F650, and the XF 650 Freewind were the same motorcycle. The new Aprilia is fugly.

[@barebonesmc]

Freewind had the DR650 engine in didnt it? and the F650 is short of a valve lol have a good weekend mate

[@andykerr3803]

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