Tiny House Build - Wiring, Insulation, Drywall!

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[@GregAlanEdwardsEmmanuelRidge]

I have begun to realize that the narration of your videos is really helpful. Some people complain on other videos about too much talking, but you're good at sticking to what's going on and keeping everything nice and smooth. I'm assuming you narrate after watching the video a couple of times and I just wondered if you use a script or notes or if you just wing it?

[@talithahawkins5180]

I saw her laptop in her lap at one point when she was talking (I'm assuming a "typo"), so I'm pretty sure she scripts it and uses her notes as a guide through her "speech".

[@kellymohan3284]

Without videos like this one, I probably wouldn’t have started my tiny house build 3 years ago. Not only have you shown and explained how it’s done, but your positive attitudes and perseverance are inspiring.

[@ManCrafting]

You guys are so ambitious. Massive shops, Tiny houses, Steel structure carports. I wish I was that motivated. Keep it up.

[@nickb.237]

Or that $ fortunate. They inspire me to do so much though, wife doesn't agree I need everything they make me want, but love the videos nonetheless!

[@rrittenhouse]

When you build a business based on doing something like that in which you love, these projects can be completely sponsored or at least helped along quite a bit. If there's a will, there's a way! Now, go and choose your own destiny ;)

[@manfredschmalbach9023]

*Rorlegger Bifrost* aren't we all equal anyway ...? 😂 😂 😂

[@denzelwhite3616]

Maples are usually tapped beginning at 30 to 40 years of age. Each tree cansupport between one and three taps, depending on its trunk diameter. The average maple tree will produce 35 to 50 litres (9.2 to 13.2 US gal) of sap per season, up to 12 litres (3.2 US gal) per day.

[@thegunguymartin]

From here on out... I'm calling it an "old dead lady, man" 😁 thanks April and Anne !

[@AprilWilkerson]

LOL! Everybody wins.

[@phillbarnes]

Hi April Here in Australia when I was in the building trade, we called your helper stick a sampson stick. Not sure where this came from originally but I guess a guy called Sampson must have helped someone in a big way. I know he has helped me a lot. Keep up the fun videos April and Ann

[@garethdavies791]

Samson was from the bible he had strength because of his hair and his wife Delilah cut it off.

[@brotherbrian1]

Dead man here in Alabama. I also call it a Mickey, cause that was the name of our old helper. A Mickey became anything that held something in place while being short handed.

[@kristinhowell6731]

I've always tried to figure out how to build a shed for my kids. I tried several plans but always got stuck along the way. I'm glad I found this Ryan's shed plans [ Go Here >>> *WoodBlueprints. Com* ]. It has made the work become as easy and simple as I never thought it will be. Thank you Ryan!?

[@wadechandler5153]

I follow both you and Ann, but a tip I learned from doing sheetrock as my job getting me thru High School. If you have a wall over 8 ft you start at the ceiling and put your rip ( that small piece) in the middle and then use a full sheet at the bottom. That way your horizontal seams that you have to tape / finish / sand are at standing height instead of being a foot or so off the floor. Reduces a lot of bending and squatting. Awesome job.

[@JohnWilliams-hn3wn]

I love all your videos, but when you two work together you two are adorable. You all have so much fun! I am just about done putting my workshop together.it looks great! Keep up the great work!

[@VikingMan222]

Where I'm from, a dead man is a buried anchor for hauling something out or for use as an anchor to keep from being blown off of a mountainside while getting a good nights sleep. A jack-leg is for wedging into place for the purpose of holding something up. Keep up the good work. Your Montana correspondent, Leland. PS, That donkey is out of shape, poor thing will be much happier with a pack-frame and a long hike.

[@raynoladominguez4730]

You women rock! You two work so well together. What a great friendship.

[@rickgaine3476]

Looks like you guys had a nice time building this little house.

[@AprilWilkerson]

We had a killer time!

[@EliteSniperFMJ]

seen a tip for taping and bedding that was to treat your screw lines like seams instead of 6+ small swipes one long one to apply one to clean and move on, probably not much difference here, but with a whole house awaiting treatment that would add up quickly

[@marenrjensen]

I'm so jealous you two found each other. Wish I had a fellow female builder buddy I could do something like this with.

[@DMJ1978]

The "old lady" is also refered to (here in Denmark), as a "lazy apprentice" or sometimes as a "soldier" (a soldier is usually steel though and adjustable in height).

[@morrishightower3495]

You made a comment about a different bit for driving Sheetrock screws, my gun has a setting for the depth of the screws. It is a Senco and it works great for Sheetrock and decking boards, also plywood.

[@izzyh.3581]

Hi April, I admire what you do and how you explain every step necessary.everything you create and help co-create is absolutely astonishing. So what really drives me here is do you have a video explaining how you started,what motivated you to work with wood and tools and how to make it as a full time wood worker? Your opinions and viewpoints have weight behind them so anything you can offer to not only me but the rest of us who don't want to pry will appreciate your input greatly. Thank you so much for continuing with sharing your career, hobby, lifestyle and yourself with all of us.

[@talladegadude4852]

Triton Tools did a great interview with her awhile back, that gives a fantastic overview. On KZbin, look up "Triton Tools April Wilkerson" and you'll find it.

[@izzyh.3581]

@@talladegadude4852 thank you 😁

[@roggie77777]

@4:40 I thought you where putting the drywall on the donkey. I was interested in how that would work. All the best

[@barstad-9591]

Dead Man! Never heard of Old Lady. Born and raised in California. You are an inspiration!!! My best friend and I are seriously considering building a teeny tiny house. Thanks so much for sharing your build and friendships.I NEED one of those screw guns 😊

[@BrilliantDesignOnline]

You guys make it look SO easy.

[@emmettbohannan1217]

Back in my day, some 50yrs ago, we called it a “Tee Jack”....Very necessary when putting up 4x12 material on the ceiling...Oh, those were the days....

[@vickiedoer9569]

We called it a T Jack in Michigan too!

[@tealkerberus748]

I'd run that wire in the walls along above the ceiling and then down against the stud to each outlet position. No fiddling with the insulation, and better, much less risk of sticking a nail through it when you attach built-in furniture later on.

[@kennieloo6357]

I’m glad I found this series if for no other reason than the fact I learned about collated guns. Genius.

[@gladysprouty]

April, You are blessed to work with your hands, your skills and strength are beautiful, i am located in CT. and I would like to know where can I go to learn carpentry like you. I am not young, not old enough to retired yet, and had have not a good luck with building my house. Seeing you working at different projects, inspired me to build my tinny house, thank you for posting your projects and explaining the process. God bless you, take care. G.P.

[@ijlnznewzealand]

@April Wilkerson Im from New Zealand and here we call your "Dead Man" a GIB lift, Also I am currently building a tiny house myself and i love the idea of a level holding the cable between two ladders, Guenius!

[@eugeneharris6861]

I hate the idea of anything hanging on my levels. I use a price of wood.

[@ams21144]

Anna from Baltimore (ish) Maryland. My husband and I are General Contractors and we refer to the drywall helper as a "dead man" too

[@leebarnhart9725]

All the same steps as a large home requires, and you guys did a great job. Made for some good videos. I learned things!

[@AprilWilkerson]

: ) That's great to hear

[@georgeeads8689]

Years ago I learned to use caulk on inside corners. As the house expands and contracts over time you get a crack in the drywall in the corners. With a good quality caulk the corners stay nice.

[@chud327]

We used to call them Bill and Jack. I am in Florida and have built a tiny house too.

[@MrSteppingstone888]

I was really really glad you were able to popped back in to help Ann again, I know it sure made a huge difference , that screw gun was awesome. A lot of work even for a tiny house, now I wonder if Ann wished it was just another 10ft larger LOL/ I know I would. I also know what a god given friend is , its so special its like another part of you in another soul two people cut from the same cloth I met my special friend when I was a teen.

[@pmac067]

My dad was a construction superintendent and we build our family home in Okla. We put up sheet-rock and I remember my dad calling the T an old lady. Hope that helps, thanks for sharing..

[@kyleb4151]

If no one else said it - In my experience in Oregon, using mesh tape is only really acceptable if you are using hot mud. Otherwise you can expect cracks or crumbling in the not so distant future. Paper tape, while not as convenient, is required when using standard joint compound. I hope it's held up!

[@davidwilken3584]

Forever and a lifetime here in Minnesota, we’ve always called it a deadman. Keep on rockin all!

[@MartellHM]

Ladies, you are fantastic, unconventional and helpful all the way! Although I don't have the experience you do, I have tackled some projects on my own by getting information from books and videos as well as TV shows; but never something so big. But with your video, I feel more confident I can do something similar. I want to make a garden tool shed and most importantly for me, a greenhouse. Thanks so much for a well done hands-on instructional video!

[@Mrimperfections777]

First explanation can be translated...made enough money through utube to do stage 3 and we are happy. So are we though.. Great job.. Go tiny

[@RC.Time-Crawlers]

Great build ! Please remember safety first we only have one set of lungs. Insulation won't show its harm till it's to late. Never mind those who live life as if the body is bullet proof .Well take care and hopefully you take advice from those who are paranoid for their own health 👍

[@chezzapie]

I want a friend who thinks this is their ideal day! I get it. Fantastic job ladies and Bob. The stove is adorable. Like any job, it is still fun doing it on your own, but with a competent and friendly pair of hands it becomes super fun, then add in cake for breakfast ..ahhh, that’s the stuff dreams are made of! 🌈👭🔨🧱🎂

[@tomas5376]

In Mexico we call the helping hand Granny (abuelita)👍

[@AprilWilkerson]

: ) Nice

[@sofieek1781]

Real friends make Tiny Houses together! (Although my own friends get a strange look in their eyes every time I say that...) Seriously, you are truly inspiring to me - as builders and as friends. Thank you!

[@chaelisaenthusiast1219]

April I love your channel so much and I am a beginner woodworker and you inspire me so much 💕💕

[@adamscoolthings3316]

Angel Dxwn you need clamps a lot of clamps

[@hecksinc]

I'm from Philadelphia and when I was in commercial tile installation, we always called the stabilizing drywall bar the "Wishi" bar (Wishihadanextrafrigginarm)" 😁👍 LoL when you're hanging out with folks from South Philly, you start to realize that we sort of have our own language. We're kind of a big deal in American cultural society. LoL (jk) 😉👍

[@Trek50000]

Sounds like a cool fun project!

[@revtmyers1]

For all the years I drywalled I have heard dead man but never old lady in Dayton Ohio area. Really nice project.

[@robertslemons6996]

all that overhead running of screws made my shoulder hurt. I blew mine out doing drywall on the ceiling of my 28 x 32 shop last fall. I lost 3 weeks of work, DR's orders, to recuperate, but it still hurts till this day. But you did a great job. If I never have to touch a drywall knife again in my life, It'll be too soon. And in central PA it's a dead-man.

[@amandawalker3641]

yall touching the fiberglass batting with bare hands has me wincing

[@TybeeHandyman]

Really enjoy your videos - helpful and fun. One drywall tip - Instead of putting drywall mud on each screw individually, cover the whole column with one swipe of mud. The you can sand them all at once with a pole sander without "fuzzing" the drywall paper.

[@manfredschmalbach9023]

Used to be a "third man" for some decades, but after we saw Frank's vid of building his crankdriven sheetrock lift all of us havin' seen that (buncha friends building and renovating together for quite some time) had changed towards "Frank", "Mr Howarth", "Sir Howarth", "Frankmaker" and a lotta imaginable variations of that denomination.

[@montyzumazoom1337]

Hi April from England! I call it a Dead Man. We have replaced six ceilings in our house with "plasterboard" (drywall) and nearly had an accident when I was positioning an 8 foot x 4 foot board up to the ceiling with my wife and two "Dead men" to brace it prior to fixing. We just about got it into position when the doorbell rang (it was the guy with the pizza that we had ordered for lunch!).... my wife let go of the Deadman she was holding to answer the front door and the lot nearly came down. I let out a yell and she suddenly remembered the job she was supposed to be doing!!! 30 seconds later all was secured and we got our Pizza...! Oh how we laughed (eventually)....!

[@jimw544]

In Atlanta and Birmingham it's a dead man. But George has more experience than the 3 of us put together. Old Lady will do. With the mud on the green drywall it looks like you guys had a mud battle. It looks like a fun job.

[@jonnygrey3497]

Up here in Ontario, Canada it's always a "dead man" too, never heard it called an "old lady" before though I have heard a DIY'er call it "that T stick thingy", lol. Professional drywaller of almost 20 years in the family business with my brother that my dad has run for almost 40 years, born and raised on construction sites - 2 uncles as contractors, cousin contractor, another uncle a mason(RIP), another cousin a structural engineer and a few other family members doing various construction jobs over the years - I've been born and raised in it in a family with probably over 250 years total experience in the trades and never, ever heard that term for it before. But terminology varies from place to place, it may be unique to the area George is from - or even just the crews he's worked around over the years. We don't use them anymore though as we learned it's far easier on shoulders and backs to invest in a good panel-lifter and ensure you get the sheet exactly where you want it without much hassle. Anyways, great video, I enjoy seeing smaller projects like this.

[@tealkerberus748]

Jon Grey those panel lifters are a good dodge. I was racking my brain for the right words in my comment on another of April's vids - but now I think about it, I think my dad used to call it a panel jack. It had a wind-up handle each end like a pair of hills hoists.

[@latherookie]

I've been watching for so long now that the week is not complete without one of your video's. Plus the added bonus of the fillers on Instagram. Wow what a complete package. Keep it coming.

[@AprilWilkerson]

Glad you enjoy the content Kevin!

[@warrenmunn3224]

Generally when putting a "tin" roof on you put the screws through the ridges and not in the valley's. The screws here in Australia have a rubber washer to create a weatherproof seal. Having screws in the valleys allows water to sit around the screw rather than just running off.

[@iceman2008able]

Finishing drywall forty years. Forget dish detergent. Just add water to mud. Mud was too dry to tape corners. Never wet tape. Sorry mesh with regular mud will crack. Not saving time with mesh. We coat mesh with a ten inch knife and skip a coat. Love your channel. Just trying to help. Jim

[@iceman2008able]

We use bag mud. Speed set with mesh

[@thecynic807]

Dish detergent on the last coat is a must. It makes the mud go on smooth and no bubbles holes.

[@tayleanruatha]

Thanks for sharing JD. Love the community that builds around these projects! More than one way to skin a cat and knowledge isn't heavy. (No cats were harmed in the production of this comment) 🤟

[@tealkerberus748]

Cement based products, if you add more water you weaken the final product, while detergent makes it runnier without making it set weaker. What does the chemistry of plaster mud look like?

[@photent]

Wait, I have to go back and like all of these. This series is awesome. You guys are awesome!

[@LaBeefy101]

Anne is my favorite!

[@arkansas1336]

Excellent, that is a "grade 1" insulation installation job! A tip: When a piece of sheetrock must be used to complete a higher than 8' wall (in your case a 14-20"? piece used at the bottom of the end walls) place the piece in the middle at chest high, no bending over to do the taping, bedding and sanding of the wall board joint! ....13

[@williegardner9290]

North Carolina, and I have always called it a Dead man. Also great build!

[@steventiry8701]

Recommend using Sheetrock 20 mud for first coat when taping. It dries hard in 20 minutes. Great for more humid areas. Second coat can be premix or Sheetrock 40 so mudding can be finished faster. A downfall and advantage to using Sheetrock 20-40 is getting it in power allows you to mix smaller amounts to desired consistency. Can be found at Home Depot.

[@johnlee7085]

For the insulation at the wiring, you can slit the batt in half at the level of the wire.

[@johnlee7085]

It will fit around the wire and seal just fine. A lot less splitting and stuffing.

[@TheRocketbob22]

Two beautiful ladies with power tools, it doesn't get any better. Hi Ann.

[@Papa_D]

If I did not know any better, I would swear that you two are sisters ! Really love all your video's April and now I am subscribed to Anne's channel as well ! :-) Dennis in Canada

[@beshamlochan3430]

awesome job ladies

[@lornashandmadesoaps7034]

It's coming along very nicely. Thanks for sharing.

[@jjbb7010]

You ladies are awesome, you've basically walked me through my entire project, how amazing you're definitely better in so many levels.

[@EugeniaSoares]

Loved the red boots April

[@ByersLeafguard]

Wow, that's a lot to get done! Following along and can't wait to see it finished!

[@ikikuraz]

Tip- When you have the 1 foot section of drywall, dont put it at the bottom, put the two full sheets at the top and bottom and the 1 foot section on the center and you wont have to bend over so much when mudding the seam.

[@cjpenning]

But then you've got a non-tapered edge in the middle.

[@jonathanwise4252]

Yep it's called a belly band

[@davidrobinson5581]

Hi great video, teamwork cool. For the roof sheeting I think the screw has to be on the top rib not the bottom part of the rib. Because the bottom rib is where the water is.

[@johnm.evangelis693]

Ladies it's too bad you don't live in the same state you can go into business together. Great job & video as always!!!

[@JohntheSchreiner]

Those "deadman/old lady/drywall t's" are super handy. I was able to drywall my bathroom ceiling by myself using one of those. Wouldn't recommend doing it by yourself, but it is doable, haha.

[@markmooney2207]

Love your videos.......noticed when you screwed the roof sheets on, you placed the screws in the valleys, I always thought the hill was the place to put the screws, having said that you seem to have sufficient material under the sheeting to stop water leaking through.

[@rarthur5082]

I’ve always heard that called a “T” or a “jack”. I use one all the time when hanging a ceiling if I don’t have one of those nice lifts that pushes the drywall up. I’m from Brooklyn

[@jasonthomas1760]

I have lived in Michigan, where we call them dead man or dead legs. Same in upstate New York. When I lived coastal north Carolina we called em helpers, T studs. Here in Missouri I have heard them called old ladies, dead man, and ceiling sticks

[@stanleykeith6969]

I wish you had a video on installing the roof. Framing and putting up the roof rafters.

[@AprilWilkerson]

I do, check out part 1 and 2 of the video series to see the entire build.

[@stanleykeith6969]

Hi April, Thanks for getting back to me. I wanted to know if you could have used that Trex on the underside of the floor. Thanks, Love your work.

[@FredMcIntyre]

Awesome job April, you really have a way of making work seem pleasant! 😃👍👊 ... Between the work, jokes, and the rain, it's sounds like Y'all were rocking-n-rolling, and dancing the whole time.... At least when you weren't cuddling with floofs and eating numerous Birthday cakes.... Glad you had a good time! 🙂

[@paulbooij7594]

As a construction guy from Canada, I am shocked to not see a polyethylene vapour barrier on the inside. Do your walls breathe both ways? 🤔 We banned the wax paper backed insulation a long time ago, because it doesn't really work well.

[@jasonlmeadows]

You need to come back to Washington and come build something on Whidbey Island, about 90 minutes north of Seattle!

[@gearmob3555]

I'm a North Carolina mountain boy. "Dead Man" is a term used to describe a buried anchoring structure (such as a PT beam or concrete blocks or old tires) used to retain a seawall or bermed wall. "Old Man" and "Old Lady" refer to assisting devices that make a job easier, such as your t-post to support the drywall. The term came into being as a derogatory description of someone who used such a device, as compared to someone who was tough enough not to need it. Usually those "tough guys" were the ones who crippled themselves on the job proving how tough they were. My favorite "Old Man" is a steel bar notched to fit the back of my Milwaukee 1/2" drill. It works as a lever by engaging a chain that hooks to a structure such a a steel beam, and allows me to use my drill as a portable drill press that will drill overhead and at odd angles with much less effort.

[@AprilWilkerson]

I love the explanation! Thank you. : )

[@CUdetoom]

A sheet rock T brace, in the south plains area of Texas!

[@jlhenderson2]

Whoever edited this video did a great job. Kept me entertained the whole time so I didn't jump ahead. Good luck with the tiny house's completion.

[@AprilWilkerson]

I do my editing, so thank you. : )

[@tracyk3567]

Pro tip; Use 20 or 45 minute (bagged) mud if you want to do several coats of drywall mud in a day. Use regular mud for the final coat. 😎

[@treborni1975]

Greetings from Scotland, I have always known your "deadman" as a Dumb Joiner as most dumb (lazy) joiners stand around doing nothing anyway. My taping has always been plaster the seam then set tape on and run the trowel over the seam again setting the joint. Wish you both all the best with your channels.

[@offgridsweden]

Great with an extra video. Have an amazing week.

[@Rejectsocialism]

If you ladies are ever in CT I could use a hand with my kiln and saw mill shelter.

[@upsidedowndog1256]

I think you are right. Old man old lady gets it done. Holy cow it takes a lot to finish off a job!

[@reforzar]

So much awesome in this. Y’all are kicking butt and takin names.

[@kevinbain7010]

So I love watching your videos and think your awesome. I'm from New Zealand and am a huge diyer. There's not much that doesn't come out of my workshop around here. I have come to a conclusion that building in the states is very different to here. How come when you build your framing you don't use cross noggins. It makes the framing a lot stronger and stops any twisting of the frame over time. Also when it comes time to gibbing then all you joins are joined on timber this resulting in no flexing of the gib and no cracking in the joint later on down the track. And screwing the top rib of the iron is definitely better than screwing the flat part of the roofing iron. On the flat part it will more likely develop leaks over time. We are not allowed to do that here in nz. The only thing is to make sure you have a clutch on a driver so you don't over screw. Oops that was a bit long winded. Lol.

[@happykt]

I've seen April using noggins used in bigger projects and diyer selfers using them on tiny homes too (including in most house framing in the United States). I'm not sure why they didn't use them here. And the screws used in the roofing have gaskets in them so its encouraged to attached from the valley instead of the peak.

[@rscheaney]

Apply mud to the corners before you place the tape...great job. Looking good.

[@iamashleylbrown]

I need to see the finished thing! I am crying, because the story is not finished!

[@matt8291A1]

In South Wales the guy who taught me to fit drywall called it a tree.

[@diskgrind3410]

You both are amazing Women! I love all the videos I've seen. Hope to see more videos about this tiny home build. Thanks for sharing.

[@AprilWilkerson]

Watch Anne's channel for more!

[@jimmylogan7831]

Hi I really like both your channel I live in Alaska old disabled veteran my cabin is 12x18 I use 4 100watt solar panels and 8 245amph batteries from Walmart the panel's 80.each from amazon free shipping batteries from Walmart 100.each its more than enough power for my cabin in the summer my panel's charge till about 2am but in the winter its dark most of the winter I use a one wire chevy alternator hooked up to a rc truck motor with small belt hooked up to my battery bank to charge batteries in winter takes about 2hrs to charge batteries and I Use A horse trof as a tub/shower with small on demand water heater from amazon 100 5gal propane tank lasting me 8mos camplux shower I

[@brandonswendsen7457]

Not a criticism just an observation. When putting in insulation tuck the batts up in the cavity and staple it to the side of the boards instead of the face, that way the drywall adhesive can stick to the back of the Sheetrock and to wood instead of the paper

[@dr.johnsontanya308]

You rock April!

[@oobaka1967]

When my cousin and I did his shed, we called it a "stick". I miss stick. It served us well.

[@501Labsmusic]

Amazing and thoroughly informative. And just take a second to admire how remarkably beautiful April is. Keep it up!

[@1Wolf2BLoved]

Ann is easy on the eyes too...

[@thomasreto2997]

Great videos...very informative with many simple tips that make the job at hand easy, fun, & of course.....looking good🤙

[@chrimajaki]

Hello from Denmark - I have heard craftsmen call it "lazy boy"

[@infinixinfinix769]

After long time visiting your channel. Hay april i love ur channel. I was watching ur videos since 3 years ago. Im looking to build a home workshops for myself.

[@michaeljacobs9613]

Holy drywall screws batman! Only need about 4 across the span of the ceiling boards and 3 or 4 on the vertical :) Love this build and your videos! Well done tackling drywalling/ mudding too.

[@dalemartin7886]

Depends on the local building code.

[@philliparudolph9595]

Oregon, I've more often heard it called a "dead man" but on occasion an old lady. you three are amazing