AR Wing Pro - Custom Mods Maiden

[@North49RC]

I like how your 2nd OSD screen goes to the PIDs in auto tune, great idea. That E6000/toluene works mighty fine too. Nice maiden

[@bluefish3607]

In flight tuning really helps a lot you can see dynamically how an inav setting change impacts the flight characteristics and not have to keep landing and launching, so tuning airtime is hugely extended. Yeah, I am happy how the E6000 coating turned out.

[@SILVIOFRANCO1]

Awesome flight, Glenn. I loved your OSD setup. AR Pro is a sweet aircraft. Need to build a new one for. Thanks for sharing ❤

[@bluefish3607]

Thanks Silvio hopefully going to get out today and give her a proper run as the rain ended the maiden early. The English weather has not been that great recently and flying opportunities few and far between.

[@702Wolfi]

Amazing how durable this plane is. A quick wipe off and it looks like new again. Great video!

[@bluefish3607]

I would have preferred not to test its durability on the maiden 🙂

[@Caroline_Tyler]

Nice one, I saw the roll FF come down from the orig. 50 to 23. That's what gets updated in INAV 6, only the FF, at least that's what I thought Pavel stated. I'm just needing to maiden my Mini Drak. You have a brilliant looking wing there!

[@bluefish3607]

Thanks Caroline, that definitely explains it, I will inform Mr Hoffman 🤣Good luck with the MD I need to get mine done before heading to Germany in August, that one will be nerve wracking for sure or are you a cool and calm maidener?

[@Caroline_Tyler]

@@bluefish3607 my knees and fingers shake....so, no :D

[@bluefish3607]

@@Caroline_Tyler Yup I have had that so bad in the past I had to sit down 😂

[@davehrcfpv]

Cool looking wing Glen with the white and blue colour scheme. Probably the smartest looking AR Pro.

[@bluefish3607]

Cheers Dave, the white ones are available again, they are calling it the White Falcon this time 🙂 Just started another one I fugured that it would be better to have a fully built plane rather than just a load of spares for my travels around Europe. Should be pretty quick now I have all the parts and the processes all tested.

[@mpsaeris1855]

That face you made at 9:15 is priceless!!! You haven't stalled and crashed...you demonstrated the durability of your fuselage protection! :o).

[@bluefish3607]

Thats is face of being pissed off at Mother nature for daring to rain on my new wing. I never crash btw they are called evolutionary development flights :-) The fuse protection worked really well although I would have rather not tested it on the maiden at least I know it works so I can apply it to the new build I have just started.

[@DannyFPV04]

That take off angle was scary 😬😳🫣

[@bluefish3607]

Launching a 1.6kg AR Pro is always scary 😀

[@AerialWaviator]

Great maiden. Very smart looking build. Can't wait to seeing more of details and the mods you implemented. Did not realize E6000 could be used for protection. I assume the added weight is minimal? The results, and demonstration were very impressive. One of Andrew Newton's famous Tx radio outro's is "I meant to do that." ;) With rain, it may be possible to fly 1/2 mile in one direction and have the plane flying out of the rain if isolated vs. a line of rain. This technique won't avoid rain at the home point however. Being prepared with an umbra, or lifting rear hatch on a vehicle can make for temporary shelter.

[@bluefish3607]

The E6000 thineed with Toluene and brushed on was an experiment but I am very pleased with the results. The E6000 to cover the fuse, hatches and winglets was only about 40-50 grams, I estimated by weiging the used tube compared to a full one, on this build I will weigh it precicely before and after coating. First time I got caugfht in the rain while in the air and I panicked a bit I had visions of my FC getting flooded with water and something terrible happening 🙂 As it turned out the inside of the fuse was dry as a bone and I had no need to panic, next time I will be prepared after this first experince and just remain calm and land. And yes of course I meant to do that to test the E6000 coating :-)

[@AerialWaviator]

@@bluefish3607 Excellent, thanks. :)

[@dronepilot260rc]

I just ordered the Baby AR wing pro so hopefully I can have good times

[@bluefish3607]

I am looking forward to seeing some reviews of this plane. Good luck with yours 👍

[@mickelson8332]

Always pleased to see your vids pop up in my notifications Glen. Great video mate. I am now no longer an iNav virgin as both my Dart250g and XLe are now flying it. One day I may be a good as you......or maybe not 😂. Cheers Mick.

[@bluefish3607]

Hi Mick good to hear from you and that you have really got into inav. I have got myself a camper van for some UK and European flying trips, so maybe be able to meet you this summer.

[@MrZeek101]

Amazing job Glen lol really takes a beating .I am really looking forward to next full flight if possible in the UK weather permitting . Always a pleasure watching your videos Take Care

[@bluefish3607]

Cheers Rob, I am really looking forward to some decent weather to fly this plane, it felt great on the limited maiden before the rain set in.

[@dorelcodrutpatrasca2993]

Great video, I'm looking forward to the full mods video. Thank you

[@bluefish3607]

Thanks, I will be filming the review of the mods video this week sometime as there is no chance of flying for a few days, we have lots of rain and wind :-(

[@ttucker2073]

Great stuff mate. Shame it stalled and came down but luckerly your mod saved it 👍🏻 hopefully another flight will be soon. Weather permitting

[@bluefish3607]

Without the stall I never would have tested the coating mod, every cloud has a silver lining and all that :-) I am looking forward to the next flight but the UK weather is not looking kind for the coming few days.

[@ttucker2073]

@@bluefish3607 yeh tell me about it mate. I’ve just left bedfordshire and came to Venice. Raining here to. For about a week also 👎🏻

[@jimross898]

My battery and lid fit really tight on my AR Pro. Had to do some shaving to make things fit. Because of that, I put velcro under the battery and place dollar store foam shims in front of the battery when I know CG is good. Helps on hard "landings." And I feel ya. Panic stalls in shitty weather and conditions. Did that in my mini drak in freezing rain. Shoulda chilled and waited for my pulse and blood pressure to drop before thinking about landing. Had plenty of battery but rushed myself to get it on the ground, further raising my pulse and blood pressure. Plane was fine. I was rattled.

[@jimross898]

And I love that switch on the air unit. Slick.

[@bluefish3607]

Hi Jim, I went into panic mode, for some reason I thought the plane was going to fill with water and something horible happen. Looking back at the video I don't know what the hell I was doing should have just circled and came into the wind and landed with normal throttle etc. It was the first time that happened so if it happens again I will know what to expect and be a bit calmer hopefully. My lipo is pretty tight to the front of the hatch and the lid only just fits and does not shut fully I have a 3-4mm ridge so I think I will shave some off the underside of the hatch to try and get it flush. Yes the Air Unit switch is damn handy.

[@julianhumphrey4843]

nice one, the wing looks mint i have the same wing on inav and its great

[@bluefish3607]

Thanks Julian, yeah I am a big fan of the AR Pro. Happy Flying.

[@k1ortia]

Awesome looking Ar pro there mate

[@bluefish3607]

Thanks 👍

[@terrymurphy562]

Looks absolutely superb. Flew nice as well. 👍

[@bluefish3607]

Cheers Terry, looking forward to a nice calm warm non rainy day to really tune it and put it throughh its paces. It felt good in the short run I had tbh.

[@terrymurphy562]

@@bluefish3607Make sure you get it right before you see the Hoff.👍

[@testpilotian3188]

I always wince every time I see, and do that over head throw launch, but I always get into trouble doing the frisbee launches lol

[@bluefish3607]

It's good to feel the wind in your hair 😂

[@dragonazzFPV]

Have mine on the way, thank you for the videos

[@bluefish3607]

I hope you have as much fun with the AR Pro as I have had, great wing.

[@franksura134]

very cool. i know you covered the wings... what about the body? what if anything did you do with that? also do you have a link for the servo horn ends on the elevons? happy flying!

[@bluefish3607]

Hi Frank, I coated the fuselage, hatches and winglets with E6000 thinned with Toluene, see here how I did that: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXTHnJyqf6tom8k MacGregor control horns: www.macgregor.co.uk/macgregor/acc0083.htm

[@brkfpv60]

when was the last time you saw the sun :D succesfull maiden congrat friend .

[@bluefish3607]

1997 😂

[@egtreadway4232]

Another great video thanks, I'm now running inav 6 on my ar wing pro and trying to get it trimmed out,after autotriming i end up with too much up deflection in mid position which I'm thinking indicates nose heavy? Just wondering were you have yours balanced? Mine is Balanced in center of marks but sure seems nose heavy. Thanks again

[@bluefish3607]

I have my CG in the centre of the marks, I run with about 5mm uptrim and enable Continuously Trim Servos on the inav configuration tab and that works well for my setup. The Wing is fractionally nose heavy but will not tip forward on the marks.

[@egtreadway4232]

Thanks Glenn, I guess im still learning inav but seems if your flying with 5mm up on control surface's with continuous trim enabled that inav would just move control surface's back down to get level? It just seems with that much reflex in mid position its indicating nose heavy. I'm probably missing something here. Thanks again

[@MarcFPV]

Awesome maiden mate and glad to see how well this coating works! You should sell the premixed stuff :P Regarding the Autotune. After seeing your video the roll tune was done properly. Maybe a bit short but beside that it was good. For pitch I am not sure if you did the sharp turns with full pitch up? If you did then it was too short and autotune did not start to adjust. With your throws and the wooden Elevons it should change the FF values from the defaults. Also I suggest to make it a bit more nose heavy than it is. maybe 30-40g in the nose will help preventing that fatal stall spiral you had. It was very pitch nervous and roll unstable when you became slower and this is an indicator of a backward CG.

[@bluefish3607]

The E6000 really did a good job although I didn't anticipate such a good test on the maiden. I will need to do another complete setup flight as the rain stopped play and I will try moving the CG forward a bit as you suggest and as Caroline kindly pointed out Autotune only adjusts FF and rates, that said I will set my rates the same as the test plane as I am used to how that handles and I really like the feel.

[@fotalimark]

Glen, thanks for the great flight!! I too have stalled my AR Pro ending in a crash last year. Pulled all the data looking for a cause, it was just way to slow and low. It is easy to do, but I think it is a mistake to make only once :) It likes the speed and always lands hot too. Question, for the for DJI and the osd. Do you have the option to have the footage that is stored on the VTX to have osd or to not have osd and can you decide that in post?

[@bluefish3607]

I cannot wait to get out and fly her properly and give her a good tune. I have moved my CG a few mm forwards so it is on the front edge of the CG marks under the wing. I don't usually fly that slow, but I was panicking and worried that if I flew fast that rain would get inside onto the electronics 🙂 With Goggles 2 and the old air units on latest firmware there is no recording on the VTX it is disabled and goggle recording is includes the OSD. On the O3 air unit the VTX records with no OSD and the goggles with OSD. No option to add OSD in post as far as I know.

[@chris8662]

Would it be possible to get the .stl file for the servo horn covers?, they look really nice. Really enjoy your AR Wing Videos.

[@bluefish3607]

Sorry for the late reply drive.google.com/drive/folders/17t3lpjY4qtXzLaUs8LDEDZR_ZOllKTfk?usp=drive_link

[@Stemplar42]

CongratulaCongratulations, beautiful flights. In your video you mention a Group of ArWing PRO. Could you give me the link of the group? I have an ARWing PRO and I want to start building it.tions

[@bluefish3607]

Hi Marcelo, the group is the inav fixed wing group facebook.com/groups/INAVFixedWing There are lots of AR Wing Pro pilots in the group and you can get all sorts of useful tips and help and everyone is very friendly. If you join say hi I am Glenn Thow in the group. Good luck with your ARP build, it is a great wing and I am sure you will enjoy flying it.

[@Stemplar42]

@@bluefish3607 Thank Glenn i Join to Group now.

[@jerryhermann7233]

This is a year old vid, bit what paint you use for your blue?

[@dkieng]

Thanks for the video. I just got the same AR Wing Pro with DJI Air unit, and I'm still learning iNav. Could you share your CLI dump with me? Thank you so much.

[@bluefish3607]

Sorry for late reply, I have been on vacation for a few weeks and had a lot of family at my house for the Christmas holidays. Too be honest sharing my setup with you would probably not give you the best results. My AR Pro has a lot of modifications, balsa elevons, different horns etc. and flys very heavy at 1.6Kg. You will get much better results if you use the stock settings in inav (preferably version 7.0) and then do an Autolevel and Autotune also Autotrim unless like I do and have constant trim activated in the configuration tab. Best wishes with your AR Pro, it is a great wing.

[@dkieng]

@@bluefish3607 No worries, I got mine set up perfectly and flew it a few times already. Thanks for getting back to me tho. Happy flying!

[@bluefish3607]

@@dkieng Good to hear, enjoy your AR Pro 👍

[@bimerfpv2970]

красивый самуль )))

[@glenharto9699]

Awesome work. Please send me your Inav set up, throws etc. I just. Purchased one waiting on the GPS unit and maiden day. Love the video. ❤️

[@bluefish3607]

Glad you enjoyed the video. My AR Pro is pretty heavy at 1600 grams and I have balsa elevons and non stock motor and prop so you will get better results if you use the inav stock settings and then do an Autotrim, Autotune and Autolevel process. I dont Autotrim as I have that permanently switched on in the configuration tab. I set my elevons with 3-5 mm up trim at 1500. Do that and you should end up with some great results. Good luck for the maiden 🤞

[@SteffenRC]

Glenn, She looks great and appears to be a quality setup... So, whats the AUW? Great idea on the DJI switch.. That initial cold GPS lock can take a bit... Sorry about bruising her a little.. That E6000 trick does a great job.... Great video friend... - Will

[@bluefish3607]

Cheers Will, AUW is 1600 grams, she is not light but I like that planted feel of a heavier AR Pro personally for proximity flying. The DJI switch is very handy, these DJI air units get hot very quickly with no airflow. Minimal damage, was good I guess to test the E6000 coating, just didn't expect it on the maiden 😃

[@FpvBerget]

Just ur typical maiden... Hahaha! The e6000 layer seems insane, i cracked my fuse HARD with way less of a altitude and speed... Did u weigh the fuse with and without the e6000?

[@bluefish3607]

I was surprised how well it protected the foam, I estimate I used about 50 grams of E6000 on the foam. I will do a precide weight on the next build which I am starting soon.

[@horsship]

Will acetone work with E6000 instead of toluene?

[@bluefish3607]

I really have no idea, toluene is readily available and not expensive so I would go with that as we know it works.

[@horsship]

Thanks. I’ll give that a try.

[@MrHitman1966]

Superb job 👍👍

[@bluefish3607]

Cheers Chris, it felt good even considering the condiutions and the short flight.

[@gregorydobson4307]

Love the quality of finish & colour scheme glen. P.s do you sell the 3d printed parts for the pro as I don't have a printer. 😕

[@bluefish3607]

No I dont sell them but if you PM me via Facebook messenger I will happily print the parts and pop them in the post to you Greg.

[@gregorydobson4307]

Thanks glen, will be in touch as i am in France at moment. Just wondering what make/model your 3d printer is as I may go down that road soon.

[@bluefish3607]

@@gregorydobson4307 Hi Greg I have an Ender 3 Pro. I think I paid £180 for it about 5 years ago and it has been excellent. I just fitted a new motherboard £40 to upgrade it and its now even better. They are enormously useful for the RC flying hobby and for me added an additional layer of interest.

[@gregorydobson4307]

Thanks for that glen, think I will get one of the creality printers as I have a phantom fx61 build and a couple of 7 inch quads that need some parts to finish.

[@bluefish3607]

@@gregorydobson4307 They really are a fantastic piece of kit, I use TinkerCad to design my parts and its free and really easy to use.

[@SkynetXOFPV]

Nice!

[@domanater480]

Hey I watched your channel probably 3 years ago when I had my ar wing going. Has much changed in the hobby since then?

[@bluefish3607]

Hi Nic, not much really, a few new kits, but I guess the biggest innovation has been in the digital FPV arena, flying with 1080p with my Goggles 2 and O3 Air Unit is a real joy. Do you not fly planes or quads anymore?

[@domanater480]

@@bluefish3607 I haven't for a few years now. Found it just got a bit complicated and as soon as I had a bit of a break I'd forget most of the stuff needed to get things running again. Would like to eventually get into wings again! Trying out RC cars ATM

[@bluefish3607]

@@domanater480 I had a spell with RC off road cars many years ago when my kids were small, still have 3 nitro TMAX in the garage that I was thinking of converting one to electric and installing inav on it for a laugh. Enjoy your cars and if you do have another go at wings inav is much easier and works pretty much with all standard settings these days.

[@apexaero]

The only thing I don't like on the AR Pro design is the Air inlet Ratio is Way Out of Skew, Normal RC or Control Line RC craft have an airflow inlet to exhaust ratio of 1/3 in and 2/3 out. The AR Pro airflow has about 3/4 in and 1/4 out that needs addressed and corrected.

[@bluefish3607]

Hi Tom I am not experienced enough in the aeronautical engineering technical design arena to even have considered such a thing. What advantages or change in flight characteristics would there be if the AR Pro conformed to the ideal airflow ratio?

[@apexaero]

@@bluefish3607 less drag! cool air has less volume than warm air, warmed air volume can double, more exit area can lower internal pressure of the airframe and help with extraction. I used abs plastic to close half the big naca inlet and closed both my smaller naca inlets, enlarged the rear exit slots half again to straight inline with the airflow. my elevons are covered w/10 mil, 3 mil on the hinge line top and bottom w/1 mil carbon rod TE, light and stiff. wings/fins glued on permanent.

[@bluefish3607]

@@apexaero Thanks for trhe explanation Tom, not sure I will make any changes to mine, all my components including the air unit are cool even when I fly really heavy on the throttle. I have balsa elevons which are much stiffer than the foam ones even with lam and carbon spar. I glued on myu wiglets and use carbon inserts to keep them stiff but have not glued on my wings. I put a small piece of self adhesive foam front and back so you have to compress this to get the retaining screw in and they are much stiffer this way. I see that without this the wings can rotate slightly around the retaining screw centre, I think it would have been better if the retaining hole was 1 or 2 mm further inboard. I have toyed with the idea of adding a second carbon spar in the front hatch and may try this when I get a little time to experiment.

[@ShawnG_FPV]

Is this the newest version getting ready to be released to the public? Thanks!

[@bluefish3607]

No, its actually an old kit I bought 18 months ago, it was called the Eachine AR Wing Special Edition. They have just released another white version called the White Falcon.

[@ShawnG_FPV]

@@bluefish3607 Ok great thanks, I just placed a pre order for the White Falcon do you know how different the two are. Thanks ShawnG

[@bluefish3607]

@@ShawnG_FPV Hi Shawn only based upon the pictures on Banggood they look exactly the same apart from the decals. The special edition white one I have just built is identical in every way to the standard black kits, so I think you can safely assume the White Falcon will be the same also. I am well Jell your getting a White Falcon 🙂

[@ShawnG_FPV]

@@bluefish3607 ok great thank you for the info, can’t wait to receive and build!

[@bluefish3607]

@@ShawnG_FPV I am sure you will love the AR Pro, keep me posted on your progress and post up your maiden.

[@VIRUSDETECT]

Qia😮, been trying my arwing not too far from you, struggling with it rolling left and right in gps modes, so some settings to sort. Rain st😅play for me too 😂

[@bluefish3607]

I think we have pretty poor weather for the next few days, where are you based?

[@VIRUSDETECT]

@@bluefish3607 sunny Scunthorpe

[@VIRUSDETECT]

@@bluefish3607 kzbin.info/www/bejne/h2jRoXt4gtNsq7s

[@VIRUSDETECT]

Winteringham to Ferriby

[@rotormasher]

Why you have two antennas on the o3?

[@bluefish3607]

Its an orginal Air Unit with the latest firmware to make it compatible with the Goggles 2.

[@rotormasher]

@@bluefish3607 oh that makes sense! :) Cool

[@mediashotsgroningen1800]

Nice mods, is there any place i can download them?

[@bluefish3607]

Here you go: drive.google.com/drive/folders/17t3lpjY4qtXzLaUs8LDEDZR_ZOllKTfk?usp=drive_link

[@mediashotsgroningen1800]

@@bluefish3607 Thank you man! love you channel :)

[@bluefish3607]

@@mediashotsgroningen1800 your very welcome

[@DannyFPV04]

What’s the stall speed??

[@bluefish3607]

Not sure of the exact speed but at 1.6kg you have to keep the speed up especially on banked turns. I have had a few crashes due to turning too slowly.

[@blizzardfpv9584]

Battery 🔋 your using?

[@bluefish3607]

CNHL 4S 5000mah 70C

[@hendmei7066]

привет мой друг из Сибири ты снимаешь на O3?

[@bluefish3607]

Записано в Goggles 2, но с использованием оригинальной воздушной части с последней прошивкой.

[@jerryboics9550]

Holy crap, u could actually kill yourself launching like that....

[@bluefish3607]

We all have to die someday so it may as well be when your doing something you love, right. 😀