Aradin Act 3 VS Nightsong + Lorroakan Intro After Attack [All Choices/Outcomes]

[@bloodyfitnerd1947]

How Aradin is cocky enough to think he would be able to beat anyone in that camp is lost to me.

[@Saljace]

lmao fr he didn't level up at all and he thinks he can take an assimar. All while knowing our party was the only reason none of his people died at the grove

[@jimdelsol1941]

Thank you for going above and beyond to show every option possible.

[@Saljace]

Of course! I try to be overly throrough

[@rjai5003]

He found out I was hiding Aylin during my playthrough, but he never showed up to my camp. I guess he only comes if you didn’t kill Lorroakan yet, since beat him before I ended the day.

[@Saljace]

That makes sense. He really only wants the Nightsong for the gold. No bounty offeror means no paycheck means no care.

[@WhiteWeaseI]

4:25 The rewinding effect when you cycle through the dialogue is a lovely extra touch.

[@Saljace]

Thank you! Looked up a tutorial for that one ages ago lol. Used it on a Life is Strange video first and its just stuck as such a good separator while editing and in post

[@ChuckPalomo]

Aradin was already a weak bitch when you saved him at the start of the game from a few goblins. How he thought he could take on a demi goddess backed by a camp full of high level adventurers pumped up on magic items and tadpole powers is beyond me.

[@Saljace]

lmao yeah he was. I let the fight play out without my party's interference and at least one of the side characters in his group dropped dead before Wyll and Zevlor carried the rest. He failed miserably and lost most of his crew running from goblins and he thought trying to kidnap an assimar camping with adventurers with nothing to lose was a good idea

[@homicidalgeorge]

bro really tried to challenge an immortal aasimar after he got dogwalked by a few shitty goblins.

[@Saljace]

The aasimar and the adventurers that saved his ass from those goblins too lmao

[@ryagain]

I can fix him.

[@Eiliestl]

Same here ❤

[@NutScratcher43]

I always thought it was kind of stupid that your entire camp doesn’t fight with you. It’s always just you and your current 3 party members and all the others are no where to be found

[@Saljace]

Bro fr. It's the same in some of the other fights and after the point of no return. Like, there's no point in not having everyone here, even if only for solidarity, but alright I guess

[@therrydicule]

@@Saljace There would be a point if there were added mechanics to the game. Aradin got 28 or 36 hit points? Depending on the difficulty? So here is what I am thinking in terms of mechanics: Have him surrender... Due to a show of force. However, what I wish we could do is this: kidnap him, bring him down to Orin at that sacrificial tabernacle in the temple of Baal, and go: "He is yours. He tried to enslave a friend of mine, an assimar, for gold from Lorokian. Oh and here is Angry Mar'hyah, she is yours as well: she is pretty violent with animals. I don't care what you do to them... You could see them as offerings or slave or whatever. See you later, got to go and kill Cazador, destroy the steelwatch, and bring you Wulbren Bongle. See you later." "But, I wanted to..."

[@Saljace]

@@therrydicule I feel like Orin would rather kidnap someone close to Tav/Durge hence why she snuck into our camp, but I know she would never turn down the opportunity to commit war crimes as well so I think that's all a great idea lol

[@therrydicule]

@@Saljace I don't mean that she would kidnap Aradin, but I would bring him to her, with a couple of other NPC that are annoying as hell... As a cheeky SORT OF trade to make, with Orin ending up going "what the hell, hero? I though I was bad but..." Does any player ever care if Wulbren Bongle dies in the 3rd act?

[@Saljace]

@@therrydicule Ah yeah that's fair. There are definitely enough characters in this game that I would throw to the wolves. I don't think people would mind if Wulbren Bongle just so happened to "walk" off the map into the ocean or a chasm. Have you heard the song about horrible of a guy he is?

[@lollol-he1xs]

This one have special dialogue for monk and crelic I think I playing MNK + Bard Multiclass and the dialogue about his old mistake and lost his crew so he give up and think of never let that happened again 😂

[@Saljace]

Will he not actually attack with the monk dialogue? That's pretty sick

[@Arystanbek98]

I really forgot him by act 3 and was like "who the fuck is that"

[@Saljace]

When I first ran into him in Act 3, I didn't really register who he was until we were mid-cutscene lol

[@Arxfatal1]

Good work! Would have liked to see the outcome of nightsong's betrayal

[@Saljace]

Working on that video as we speak! I'm about halfway through and as long as I'm satisfied with the clips I got for myself it's all prerecorded and ready to be trimmed up!

[@Jakepf]

It would be cool to see Nightsong share her immortality with her lover

[@Saljace]

Dude fr I need them to live together happily for significantly longer than a typical lifespan.

[@the_revanchistlegion]

Great video man, I appreciate the amount of time you put into exploring each dialogue option and outcome. To that end, I have a question. I noticed in your video that Aylin was with you during the camp fight, but does she have to be in order for it to trigger? In my current run, I spoke to Aradin and told him he could “forget about turning her in for a reward”, and it was only after I spoke to Lorroakan that I went to camp and told Aylin about the whole thing, specifically the line that says both the wizard and a “violent mercenary” were after her. She proceeded to fly off to the tower, but I’ve yet to join her for the boss fight at the time of writing. Does that mean I’m locked out of Aradin’s foolish confrontation?

[@Saljace]

I am pretty sure I tested that and I think you are locked out of his attempted night raid. I'm not 100% sure so I can check again for you or you can try setting a manual save and do a few long rests. It shouldn't take more than maybe 4 for the trigger. I think I found that pretty much he's just after Aylin and if Aylin was MIA for any reason then he wouldn't show. Also, you have to fail the skill check with him about finding her in order for it to trigger in the first place. Speaking to Lorroakan before Adarin shows up is not required, but it will change dialogue with Aylin after the attack on the basis that you knew there was a bounty on her head and it puts Isobel in danger. I think that covers everything, but I can answer anything else you got!

[@the_revanchistlegion]

@@Saljace I reckon you’re probably right. After posting my comment, I did about four long rests to see if I could get it to trigger. The first rest triggered Halsin’s love confession, the second triggered Mizora’s one-night stand, the third triggered the doppelgänger reveal, and I called it quits after the fourth triggered something involving Astarion and his spawn “siblings”; all of them obviously having nothing to do with this scene. But that may not _necessarily_ mean I’m locked out of it, since I stopped exactly at four instead of doing another. However, if you’re positive that failing the deception check is the only way to trigger the fight, then I guess I can confirm that I did lock myself out of it, as the official wiki gave the impression that Aradin would show up as long as you didn’t dissuade or outright lie to him about the Nightsong. It’s not that big a deal, since it doesn’t really affect the outcome of the quest in any capacity, but I won’t shutdown your offer to run more tests to confirm the specifics. Thanks for getting back to me, and let me know if you have or discover anymore information 👍💯

[@Saljace]

@the_revanchistlegion Oh my god I remember having to do the spawn fight like a dozen times for one or some of these videos lmao it might've included this one. Aradin's trigger might take lowest priority after all of those other long rest things so tbh I'd just go till you hit two maybe three nights of nothing because when I did the whole Nightsong Act 3 arc, I got to the point where I'd make sure no one else wanted a piece of my Tav before talking to Adarin for the first time so I wouldn't go insane trying to record. I know *passing* any of the skill checks in his conversation locks you out but I don't remember if there's a route to just not have one and pretty much goad him into trying his luck against a whole ass aasimar. Doing that would not lock you out as far as continuity goes since this level 8 dude in Act 3 obviously thinks he's got what it takes lol. I'm going to bed now but I'll run through it for you whenever it is that I get up again lol

[@Saljace]

@@the_revanchistlegion Okay, so I had a save the morning before Aradin was going to attack camp and told Aylin about the bounty and she flew off and then long-rested and Aradin did not show up. Did two nights to be sure and yeah I'm sure you won't see him again, unless he's hiding somewhere in Act 3 which I could never find.

[@the_revanchistlegion]

@@Saljace ⁠All righty, that makes sense. I appreciate you testing it out for me. I’m going to go back a couple of saves to see if I can get it to trigger, because I noticed that I missed the interaction where you warn Aylin specifically about Aradin hunting her, which you showed at 6:59. I’ll edit this comment and let you know what the results turn out to. Thanks again mate 🤘💯 Edit: So, I did four rests again and still no results. This time I didn’t speak to Lorroakan or tell Nightsong about him specifically since I knew she would leave camp to fight him if I did, but did pick the line that overtly mentioned Aradin. I completely ignored Halsin the first rest so the night would be uneventful, yet he didn’t show; not even Mizora triggered, so there was no excuse. The second rest was Mizora, who I flat out rejected, but still Aradin didn’t show. The following two rests were the same as before, with the doppelgänger and those Vampire creatures showing up, and I chose not to do a fifth rest because I didn’t feel like fighting the aforementioned Vampires (there were at least four of them, and I got annoyed & impatient 😒). So, I reckon you were right earlier about the problem being that I didn’t fail the deception check(s), because it doesn’t make sense for him not to have spawn in otherwise.

[@Saljace]

If there's any other choices, outcomes, or scenes anyone wants to see, leave a request and I'll try my best to get to it! :D

[@estoyboy]

Do you use a mod to force the results of the checks? Either way amazing work I'm gonna sub as someone who wants to see every dialogue option but hates quickloading 🙏🏿

[@Saljace]

Thank you immensely! And no, I don't use a mod for that (idk if one exists), but I wish lmao. I play the scene literally dozens of times and make sure the paths line up with minimal background noise or I lose my mind while editing. Tbh some lines can probably change based on what happens during previous acts, but I haven't been able to pump out half a dozen playthroughs (like some people out there) to do that lol

[@estoyboy]

@@Saljace sheeeeet man thank you for your sevice 🫡 I hope such a mod exists and you find it 😭

[@Saljace]

@@estoyboy Of course lol. Might as well share what I see. Yeah, a mod like that would be a life saver, but I've found some stuff that makes it easier like changing stats mods. Although there could probably be an easier way

[@ferencalpar9776]

Is there a way to actually find Aradin again if you choose the "I haven't been paid yet" option? Or is it some remnant of the cut content?

[@Saljace]

ooh, I forgot to check that I'll do that now

[@Saljace]

Okay, I checked if you told him "I haven't been paid" and just waited a few nights after doing nothing and he does not show up. I also tried siding with Lorroakan and getting paid, and he still has not shown up on any of the following nights. Also tried going back to Rivington camp to see if the different region would trigger it, but it didn't. I have not the slightest idea where this dude is away from the tower. He has a key for your room when you kill him after getting a room in the Elfsong Tavern. I'm assuming he got it to hunt you down as he does not have the key if you kill him at the tower. The key he does have on him (I think called "Aradin's key") was for the chest back in the Druid's Grove, if I'm not mistaken.

[@HubertSia]

What happens if you bring Halsin? Cause they were supposed to go the defiled together and Aradin lost Halsin along the way

[@Saljace]

That's a spectacular idea, which I will look into soon. I'm pretty sure my Halsin is kidnapped at this point so I'll need to deal with Orin first lol

[@Saljace]

Okay, so I ran through it and Halsin and Aradin do not acknowledge each other in any way. Even in the comments after the fight, Halsin does not speak his name. I can make a video and tag you in it if you'd like to hear what Halsin and the leftover companions say after the fight if you're interested

[@HubertSia]

@@Saljace Alright no worries (sorry for the late reply)

[@AquaSZSSoo]

@@Saljace Was also curious about this. That's a shame. Halsin is basically forgotten after Act 2.

[@Saljace]

@@AquaSZSSoo I've seen so many people who said Orin kidnaps their Halsin and they just go "oh well" and continue on their leisure and I can't even say I didn't do the same. I love Halsin, but it didn't stop me from saving Orin for last for Maggie Robertson

[@rpghorrorstories]

I wonder if he knew but was playing dumb.

[@Saljace]

He still caught a moonbeam to the forehead, so it didn't help him much lol