The WHITE SCARS Legion in the HORUS HERESY | Legion V : Origins & Lore

[@EdBurke37]

The fact that the White Scars are just like "yeah some of us went traitor during the heresy but it's cool, we punished them," really makes the Dark Angels whole secrecy thing look stupid af.

[@victormanuelgarzasanchez6835]

well, now the Dark Angels have screw themselves because they have been lying for 10k years about that issue. So i think is to late to say the true and not expect any punishment for being a bunch of idiots.

[@sonicwingnut]

Idiocy is it's own reward.

[@PrimeSniper7]

It's harder to admit fault when you're supposed to be the big brother legion that founded the principia bellicosa and who everyone looks up to. Their shame eventually turned to paranoia, they're too deep now to discontinue the act.

[@redpill1984]

@@PrimeSniper7 cover-up is worse then the crime. espchuly after 10 millenia.

[@Nibelheim1989]

Always has been, but it does rub extra salt in there haha.

[@auricomnights2163]

Shoutouts to the Khan for not shitting all over the Terran-born element of his legion, like other Primarchs did.

[@sean4929]

There's something fantastic about Jaghatai khan. How he can we so thoughtful and philosophical, even poetic, but he understands the plain reality of the imperium and his role better than most other primarchs.

[@ArbitorIan]

Yeah there's a whole underlying current of 'This thing is awful, but we can't escape it, so let's just deal with it the best we can, enjoy the bits we enjoy, and not get too involved' that just seems like the most sensible response to the world!

[@Thornbeard]

His take on the lie of the warp was the best of all Primarchs. Because of the Stormseers he knew about the dangers of the warp and thought that the lie Malcador and the Emperor pushed to be something that would cause problems in the Legions. He was obviously right.

[@sean4929]

@@ArbitorIan Very true, there's some legions/primarchs who just can't get past themselves and their own desires/needs. The White Scars seem to have a much more realistic take on what's going on around them and the heresy. Even their own attempted pro-horus coup was quashed pretty quickly when Jaghatai returned and the mutineers pretty much all submitted to his judgement.

[@GreasusGoldtooth]

Guilliman: I am the most reasonable of all the Primarchs! The Khan: _smiles to himself and nods politely_

[@DAMIENDICE]

The White Scars were a legion I cared very little about until I started reading the novels written by Chris Wraight, that man turned them into my favorite space marine chapter/legion within a few evenings. Highly recommend anything that man writes.

[@tinyfishhobby3138]

Scars pretty much immediately catapulted Wraight into my very short list of “I’ll read anything by this guy” authors.

[@colthedrummer]

Well said. Turned from Blood Angels to Wraight's Scars without looking back 👌

[@heresyinsider]

Same for death guard man is a genius

[@Dagenham_Swish]

Scars was a phenomenal book

[@ShadowGhost0117]

I just recently finished relistening to Scars and The Path of Heaven and they are as great as ever. I love how Jaghatai is one of the more sensible and reasonable Primarchs (yes he has moments where he loses it but he usually has a good reason for it, plus every Primarch does the same at some point).

[@CrimsonTemplar2]

Chris Wraight’s novel turned them from Space Mongols on bikes into a really compelling legion. Great video.

[@jonbaxter2254]

Now they are Space Mongols on bikes, but a bit thoughtful.

[@namefinder]

The White Scars really turn into my favourite legion the more I read and hear about them. They are not only... nice... they also think things through rather than rushing to a decision without knowing the wider picture. I really liked how they are acting in Scars and Path of Heaven.

[@monstersbox]

Ordu gamana Jaghatai

[@Granox]

Cool blueberrys

[@stillunsure7630]

For the Khagan, For the Emperor. Ride for Death, Ride for Ruin. Throat Singing and Bike engines intensifies!

[@HeliophobicRiverman]

Considering that horses should not carry riders whose weight exceeds about 20% of the horse's own weight, I really want to know what kind of monster they had to breed on Chogoris so that the great Khan could ride around without his mount just collapsing underneath him...

[@blackdragonxtra]

No, no, he doesn't RIDE the horse. The horse is the only thing that can keep up when he goes for a jog and he likes to have a buddy.

[@GreyMASTA]

Gravity Magic

[@jackdaw1328]

One for each foot?

[@jonbaxter2254]

@@GreyMASTA Radahn?

[@morrettigames5153]

Fulgrim: Jaghatai, I hear you do strange things to your vehicles. Jaghatai: Fulgrim, I hear you do strange things to your sons… 🫢

[@the_9ent]

A more apt Star Trek reference for this video would be. *ahem* “KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!”

[@pkpong]

The white scares primarch has to be one of my favorite primarchs, a Genghis Khan character fits very well in the 41st millennium

[@marcjohnson5991]

This series is great. I’m unlikely to read all of the Horus Heresy books, yet this gives a concise overview of each legion and may inspire reading specific books

[@zakleclaire1858]

EVERYONE ALWAYS FORGETS ABOUT THE WHITE SCARS!!! Im so glad you gave them some much deserved love.

[@brianpj5860]

Excellent overview! The White Scars have been my favorite of the 1st founding Loyalist Legions, simple because of Jaghatia Khan and his principles/ethics. Id say he is the most “Sane” or “Principally-Sound” of all the Primarchs, even more so than Robute Guilleman. If I where to be Chose/Forced to be an Astartes aspirant during the Great Crusade, I would desperately pray for the God Emperor to bless me to the White Scars! On a Side-Note; Wouldn’t it be amazing if GW/Black-Library put out a bunch of Side-Stories, or Memoirs, detailing Jaghatia-Khan’s Journey/Adventures/Endeavours throughout the Webway for the past 10-Millenia??? How he got lost for centuries travelling throughout the seemingly never-ending Webway landscape, where impossible-architectures contain infinite volumes of interior-space, and the known laws of physics become paradoxical within ever-changing (M.C. Esher)type Labyrinths. How all the “Random” skirmishes with Harlequin troupe that where in pursuit of him, coincidentally(or conveniently) lead him to the Black Library, and Cheggorach.. With it all leading up to the 41st millennia where we find out that there is a new power rising within Commorragh. Where-in rumours abound that there is an Underground Slave Revolt/Rebellion starting to grow after a recent string of House-Noble assassinations, and slave-pen Liberations.

[@sonicwingnut]

I honestly think Cegorach wants Jaghatai as his guy. And I think it's been the intention all along. I reckon the Emperor expected the Khan to turn during the Heresy and was perplexed when he didn't, but someone like Cegorach could offer the Khan much better terms than the Chaos gods.

[@tfan2222]

@@sonicwingnut If I’m correct, it’s canon that The Khan and Fulgrim’s planets were swapped, hence why the Emperor was surprised that the White Scars stayed loyal and the Emperor’s Children didn’t. Makes sense too, slaneesh would fit the white scars as a chaos god.

[@sonicwingnut]

@@tfan2222 oh wow actually found the excerpt now, that's interesting. Admittedly it's down to whether or not you trust Magnus as it's his opinion, but given other circumstances I think it's likely to be correct, and it's VERY likely to be Cegorach. The Khan suits Cegorach so much as well - his whole legion are known for well, laughing a lot. And he's supposed to be in the webway somewhere.

[@Bottyization]

I was super shocked at the revelation they were one of the legions that backed Magnus at the Council of Nikaea, the White Scars went up in my estimation after that!

[@davidk6269]

Thanks to Chris Wraight, the White Scars are by far my favorite Legion. For the Khagan!

[@odeegrotsniffer4166]

The White Scars are my favorite legion by far. Great video, thank you!

[@criticallofi3054]

Hey. Just discovered the 40k universe about a month and a half ago. As a beginner, I really love your video. It's really informative and yet easy to follow and understand (which is rare with 40k universe 😅). Great job ! I just subscribed and I'm hungry for more of your nice work !

[@ArbitorIan]

Awesome, thank you!

[@wereshem-ankh9063]

Jaghatai being like "I'm protecting humanity" and Sanguinius CONVINCING Dorn without an arm wrestle. The hope.

[@spartanB0292]

I find them crazy underrated considering they stood on Terra against the traitors. I'm sure there's a non-lore explanation to this, but it's weird how I haven't even heard of a single successor chapter to the Scars.

[@UnnyAthyArchy]

Great video Ian, I love when you show the actual pages of the black books in the video, a small detail but a sure way everyone knows it is the sourced-truth and I appreciate your research. Keep up the videos! Have a good one!

[@usel1500]

I really liked this entry in the series and learnt a lot about the Legion that I hadn't known before. Like I didn't know about their careful use of psykers, or that briefly mentioned respect for the land.

[@WozWozEre]

These videos are the perfect length to watch while sat on the toilet avoiding my coworkers. 👍

[@EdwardWB97]

I cant wait for you to talk about the XXth

[@keto_writes]

I hope the next "phase" of this HH video series of yours is a legion by legion roll call of notable characters ... other than the primarchs. I know the big hitters, but I'd like to hear more about the others I haven't come across yet ... give me some ideas about who I want on the table and maybe a book or two I should read to dig in more.

[@lonstrickland6571]

Wow…never really paid much attention to the White Scars. Thanks for the video!!!

[@leoprzytuac3660]

Asides from all the noble things they did during the heresy, can I say that they are underrated just for how freaking dope their sole concept is? I mean, come on! They charge into battle riding giant motorcycles while screaming and laughing like maniacs!

[@kxw295]

Hey Ian, awesome series! One suggestion I have would be adding sources, so that we know what to read if we want to learn about some of the history in more detail. I understand though If you don't want to do it, it would be a lot more extra work, and you already get far less credit than you deserve for your work. Cheers!

[@ivorbrae]

That candle is almost spent!

[@TronsTableTop]

Another stellar video. White scars are my favourite and who I'm painting my imperium magazine marines as

[@djdamode]

I don't even need to watch the video to know I'll love it! Another great video!

[@TheKlabim]

I wish I could watch all your videos on the legions right now without having to wait for releases.

[@ArbitorIan]

I wish I'd made them already!

[@Hurtone]

Can you also include the demise or current status of each Primarch in these please?

[@kiesarisunny13]

The White Scars are what all Astartes should be, proper analysis of the situation, thinking, and afew other things I really like, their absolutely my 3rd favorite legion

[@marcjohnson5991]

Who are your first and second favourites?

[@kiesarisunny13]

@@marcjohnson5991 sons of Horus since I’m a Black Legion player and the Death Guard cause I enjoy some good body horror 🙂

[@McF1oss]

This has become one of my favorite lore series on KZbin! Keep up the great work

[@ringodeathstarr9795]

thank you for this series. i needed to learn more heresy. great format

[@jumpninja001]

I love this series! You did a good job with and intro to my favourite legion!

[@clobster9560]

It is always a pleasure to see more White Scars content. Thanks for the great video. For the Khan!

[@justindavies6012]

Damn you Ian. Every one of these you do makes me want an army of them! This is gonna hurt...

[@SilverOilman]

I've been loving this series! I know so little about many of the legions that this general introduction and history is helpful to get into the lore further.

[@stryke-jn3kv]

Nice use of the TNG theme. Though it did remind me of the Bloodquest comic which did start very much as an episodic let's do Star Trek but with Space Marines, also one of them is basically Wolverine. Thankfully by the third volume set in the Eye of Terror things got significantly more interesting.

[@Armageddon2077]

I don't know if there's enough to make a video this length but I'd love it if one day, at the end of this series on each of the legions, you did a video about the 'Lost Primarchs' of the II and XI legions and summarized what the lore has told us thus far

[@ArbitorIan]

Sounds like Video Eleven to me!

[@thedandyp]

Very basic question, but how is a Primarch able to blend in and live alongside a normal human civilization? Aren't they 10 foot tall, immune to disease and aging, freakishly strong and quick etc...

[@mikemarcotte5962]

More like 8' but yeah, they all stuck out like sore thumbs. They grew super quickly, and were all of those things, so a lot of them were nurtured as fulfilment of prophesy, divinely sent etc. Not all were so lucky. Others were exploited, abused, or downright tortured. Poor Angron... They became members of their host cultures, yes, but they couldn't exactly get lost in a crowd.

[@jamesv.7041]

The fallen shall be forever remembered as the emperor's finest!

[@timothyyoung2962]

When you catch yourself drifting into a Star Trek tangent. Really enjoying this series.

[@hellspawnal]

I absolutely LOVE the star trek ref 🤣

[@bl5752]

I'm just getting into 40k and love these. Thanks for doing them.

[@montithered4741]

All the different cultures of the Legions and personalities of their Primarchs is wonderful storytelling! Each reader or player is bound to find at least one of the Legion that calls to them.

[@miguelolvina1252]

Yet another quality video! bravo Arbitor I, bravo

[@randombencounter263]

I play a Hibou Khan deck in the Horus Heresy card game. Disposable cultists generate Taints of Chaos, Taint triggers the Streak ability on bikes, bikes rack up Battle Honours and protect the cultists until I'm ready to turn them into Greater Daemons. I call it Hell On Wheels.

[@jamesgaultier2949]

I'm really enjoying this series. Thank you for these.

[@reddragon4482]

"they are always overlooked" Big time lmao. I forget they even exist some times, they don't get much love do they lol.

[@scytheshogun2683]

3:37 dissertation note

[@robling1937]

I really am looking forward to the alpha legion's video, but of course it's the twentieth legion! Keep the videos coming boss, I'm enjoying the hell out of them.

[@Tulkash01]

The White Scars and their primarch are the most palatable of the whole lot imo

[@AW-wf2dx]

Said it before, but this series is great.

[@joenewkirk6136]

Aw yes, this makes my week

[@rickstar171]

GW should be promoting this series prior to the new boxset launching

[@jakewu8268]

This was really informative! Awesome.

[@CyrodiilCome]

My favorite loyalist

[@Tsotha]

interesting to see how the lore has evolved since 4th edition, for example the in depth descriptions of what the individual space marine legions were like BEFORE their primarchs were found, or the details about the Unification Wars on Terra

[@Yacovo]

Thanks for the video

[@pgael7196]

Amazing series, can't wait to see you talk about the Night Lords.

[@isaacsiojo870]

Ave dominus nox!

[@pgael7196]

@@isaacsiojo870 In midnight clad, brother !

[@isaacsiojo870]

@@pgael7196 ' I want vengeance against a galaxy that hates us. I want Imperial worlds to cower when we draw near. I want the weeping of this Empire's souls to reach all the way to Holy Terra, and the sound of suffering will choke the corpse-god on his throne of gold. I will cast a shadow across this world. I will burn every man, woman and child so the smoke from the funeral pyres eclipses the sun. With the dust that remains, I will take the Echo of Damnation into the sacred skies above Terra, and rain the ashes of twenty million mortals down onto the Emperor's palace. Then they will remember us. Then they will remember the Legion they once feared." -Talos Valcoran This right here is what got me invested into the 8th legion and 40k as a whole. ADB is a master of his craft.

[@carlstanford7607]

Another great summary

[@TheRhandolph]

The Whitescars in the books dislike Dreadnoughts, if a warrior is dying, let him fly free! Don't imprison him in a coffin!

[@tinyfishhobby3138]

Really great overview, Ian. Malevolence was a fantastic look at the White Scars. Also… was that a tactical marine in Mk6 power armor I saw?? Shocking! 😲😲

[@dekai7992]

A real treat, as always! Thanks a lot!

[@jonbaxter2254]

Khan has to be one of the coolest blokes.

[@CocoHutzpah]

I didn't know much about the White Scars so I assumed they came from Attila, seeing how it's a planet defined by its horsemen.

[@michaelhowell2326]

I think he's an amalgamation of Eurasian steppe tribal leaders like Ghengus Khan and Attila.

[@NapGod]

the khan is hands down the coolest primarch in my imo

[@anarcho-angron6297]

Woah an imperium faction that isn't totally ecocidal?

[@lfemomo77]

Thanks for this series. Learned a lot.

[@walterhaider869]

waiting for the ultaramarines, great videos buddy.

[@retroriven9740]

These guys don't get enough recognition for their contribution to the defense of Terra and Jaghatai is without a doubt one of the most badass Primarchs.

[@vontheunknown7982]

The dark Hunters are my favorite chapter from the White scars.

[@hadiferlan3760]

Jaghatai Khan is a wise, level-headed, and realist man. A true king, a true leader.

[@dwrdaveuk]

Great work, keep these coming!

[@michaelwhitham4501]

Great vids mate and great channel,love your content matey 👌

[@regalgiant1597]

Is a lot of the pre HH lore in this from FW books? Its hard for me, not a fan of FW but it gets so much official lore.

[@bilson7523]

The White Scars produced my favorite chapter in 40k: The Raptors

[@epyon3650]

The White Scars are the best

[@uyaratful]

Jesus, how long those folks are able to live? Especially primarchs? Are they immortal?

[@ArbitorIan]

Primarchs are immortal, Astartes are basically immortal (death in battle is inevitable), and even rich and powerful humans have ways of extending their lives.

[@GaryKeenan]

Amazing! Excellent TNG reference 😂

[@yesmilord2350]

Such a great series of videos!

[@jw7500]

Best legion, also has the most sensible of the Primarchs.

[@SamsButterscotch]

Another brilliant video!

[@UnspeakingXVII]

loving these videos Ian, cannot wait for the XVII

[@somethingcleverhere]

That's a big dollop of "noble savage" tropes in this story. It's interesting that's one of the best ways to inject some reasonableness to 40K.

[@somethingcleverhere]

@@rowanmcdowell291 I can see that--I think though with a Terra-centered Imperium and the Heresy era will they won't they they're set pretty outsider throughout , coupled with the story and visuals drawing so much from the Mongols that they're other that way too. Kind of like the Dothraki in Game of Thrones--though handled better I think. Anything non-European based in GoT feels like the research was talking to a guy who read about Marco Polo.

[@somethingcleverhere]

@@rowanmcdowell291 Hey, sorry for the late reply. I'm being a bit half macro--some of it is what's in story, and somewhat a read of just the depiction. 40K I think both flattens the way racism or classicism plays since it can be there, but those kinds of things are practically indulgences in the violent universe, and yet unintentionally noticable since every other primarch is usually a white guy depiction rooted in this or that European mythology.

[@somethingcleverhere]

@@rowanmcdowell291 Exactly! There's so much out there to draw from! But, yeah, there's been so much lore that blindly recreates one mode--see the "angelic warriors" description in the very next vid. I think it's changing, but there's also so much embedded in the lore, and of course there's the cartoonish mode of 40K in general that can set odd (and for me) uncomfortable tones when GW does draw from wider but makes them xenos. Necrons being kind of Egyptian doesn't bother me, but every time a Tau speaks I cringe a bit.

[@redpill1984]

white scars pre heresy: guys you can use camp paterns

[@jakeku2662]

What is the source of that great image of the Outrider near the end of the video?

[@maycontainviolence5587]

Damn, I like these guys.

[@StormReaper5]

Where are these texts from that were shown in the background? I'd really love to get my hands on those.

[@thetraitorguardsmen.5321]

I can't wait for the alpha legion. Explain 21 primarchs please.

[@ShadowDragon1848]

How dead one would be if they would take a drink everytime Ian says "ancient" in his videos ^_^

[@hvw2377]

The BEST boys

[@immortallvulture]

Lore wise the white scars have to be my second favourite legion after iron warriors

[@TheTurbanatore]

I love these videos!

[@michakoodziej5741]

Awesome!

[@gorkmork1739]

Love the White Scars. One of the top 3 Primarch models. Really cool Legion. But with the upcoming Heresy box I just dont see them with beakies and MK6. Special Units Sculpts are super lame too.