Bonus Drive Thru: Jim Cornette on Wrestlers That Were Blackballed

[@heelturnsface]

“I’m sure cuz Rodney’s has graduated to black balling from blue balling...” Rodney gets no respect, no respect at all.

[@d-mo733]

Need more Kerry Von Erich, Brian Pillman And Owen Hart stories..3 of the most underrated

[@ricflairslastdoobie7605]

@ Yeah the suicide hurt his run too

[@Rjensen2]

@@d-mo733 I wouldn't say they were underrated, particularly Owen.

[@DjTractus]

Corporal Kirchner blackballed from WWF(E) for punching Vince. Then went to Japan got over as Leatherface got tossed in jail for beating up his promoter got a second chance then immediately fired for taking liberties in a post match beat down. Mick Foley discusses it in his first book.

[@DjTractus]

@Shoeless Joe Jackson Mick Foley is a liar?

[@heddingite]

@Shoeless Joe Jackson elaborate? Maybe say WHY its all wrong? From what I've heard and read thats 100% accurate

[@michaelhunziker7287]

True or not, Kirchner was lame

[@shanebolender851]

I use to lift weights with Corp. Kirchner. He was always nice and helpful. I was younger than him and a amateur boxer. I will always remember him helping me try to get stronger but not bigger. A true gentleman and made weight training fun.

[@DjTractus]

@@shanebolender851 that lines up with what Mick Foley wrote too. He described him as a nice enough guy but just such an intense dude if he got pissed off look out.

[@daleandrews6021]

Rock Hunter. One of the best managers in Georgia in the 70’s. Such a shame he exposed the business on some radio station at the end of the decade and got so blackballed that he’s been pretty much erased from wrestling history.

[@michaelallanrubin2376]

Are you certain that's true??

[@bryanelam7431]

Id reckon so, I've never heard of him!

[@666SAVAGES]

“Sent his ass to Florida” 😆🤙🏼

[@tomwalker389]

I love how Corny goes off tangent on almost every topic. No, I actually love it. It's a proper history lesson.

[@matthamilton9715]

Cocaine is one hell of a drug.

[@dennis8309]

Hey Corny, do beans belong in chili ?

[@pspj24]

Stan Hansen had been blackballed, suspended, fined or fired more than any wrestler in history .

[@zachbalon4027]

But he drew money

[@Rjensen2]

@@pspj24 That's not true at all.

[@ralpharroya158]

Vince Sr. had Bruno Sammartino blackballed before he became WWWF champion for missing a event, Bruno always said, he was never scheduled to appear on that card....only place he could work was Toronto

[@servantoftwilight2951]

@Nich Hodge I disagree. Sammartino had given his notice to Capitol Wrestling and was leaving for California. Vince booked him in Chicago, which was supposed to be his final match there, and then also booked him in Baltimore without saying anything. After that Sammartino couldn't work in the United States without paying the fine so Sammartino went back to Pittsburgh and worked construction. It was then that he went up to Toronto and worked for Tunney. It was in Toronto that Sammartino wrestled Thesz. Sammartino became super popular while the WWWF was struggling after leaving the NWA so Vince Sr paid his fine and the rest is history. Sammartino was so grateful to Tunney that he still wrestled for him once a month even while WWWF champion.

[@macempress165]

Or if you were married to the Booker's daughter and cheated on her when she was 9 months pregnant and he did it when he was out with two of 6 of her brothers?

[@SuperDevolution]

Who was this?

[@matthiasthulman4058]

@@SuperDevolution ever get an answer? I'm curious too

[@reesekinlaw997]

British bulldog? Or who?

[@ericmcmahon3872]

Sounds like the Frances Crockett story

[@MichaelSmith-fq6hz]

@@ericmcmahon3872 Frances didn't have 6 brothers.

[@seabassmcbigfat]

“I shoulda yelled two” lol

[@SuperDevolution]

I've heard Sunny was blackballed on several occasions. Oh, THAT'S what blackballed means?

[@leeberry689]

@Chronic Blues YEAH. Ahmed Johnson's black balls. THAT was the story going around.

[@franksullivan7110]

Leave Tammi alone lol

[@knowyourroleboulevard7119]

SuperDevolution Sexual Chocolate.

[@s.mas.w]

Hahahahahahahahahhahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahjaahhahahahaha

[@Sargebri]

Loved how he mentioned Mansfield at the end and even referred to him as an Austin Idol wannabe. When he was here in Los Angeles working for the LaBelles he was nothing more than Roddy Piper's flunky during Piper's feud with Chavo Guerrero.

[@stevenmillan9220]

Amongst the wrestlers that were blackballed from the WWE: Konnan,Shane Douglas,David Schultz,and Jesse Ventura.

[@stanmcserr8576]

Don't forget Jeff Jarrett.

[@-KillaWatt-]

Steven Millan to be fair Shane Douglas kinda blackballed himself with his self righteousness and over valuing himself as a top tier wrestler. He's mid card at best and the only reason he gets any recognition is when he was with ECW. Even that was a Paul Heyman creation.

[@-KillaWatt-]

ShadowAngel Hes been very outspoken against Vince Mcmahon and the WWE. He was also part of the class action law suit against the WWE. I don't know if he still is or if it was settled but he's had ups and downs throughout his career with Vince Mcmahon and Co.

[@clarknapper3933]

Nailz, I don't think he worked after his choking Vince.

[@jdionio]

Shane's been doing interview segments for their DVD/BluRay releases so it's not as bad as before.

[@fizzlewiggle]

I love hearing jim talk I'd like to have a few beers with him!

[@pumpkinsdontcry]

Sprite zeros

[@shaolin1derpalm]

Savage in mid south would have been effing awesome.

[@Kevin-cy4qn]

OMG, tell me about it!!

[@cmc5394oparva]

God, can you imagine him with Cornette as his manager there? Those two together would have created so much heat, they could have solved the energy crisis.

[@skittymcmahon]

Dan Maff was blackballed from ROH due to an inappropriate relation with a member of Homicide's family

[@skittymcmahon]

Thanks for the reply. That was my understanding too but you fleshed it out more. I think that would have been in either '04 or '05, and that was also when Maff disappeared from ROH just after he had a great tag run with BJ Whitmer. As you said, it makes sense that any Indy in the Northeast would prefer Homicide over Dan Maff, hence why he dropped off the map.

[@michaelhaggerston8421]

my understanding was Dan Maff stayed away because Homicide wanted to hurt him bad

[@ericnolan269]

Randy savage claimed to be blackballed on WCW nitro from Chicago!

[@michaelallanrubin2376]

He got blackballed in the early 80s not during wcw

[@MarcillaSmith]

Wasn't there a time or more when Dusty was blackballed? Some people said he continued to wrestle as The Midnight Rider, but to my knowledge, it was never proven, if you will

[@ronaldshank7589]

Yeah...but you had to know that it was him (hee hee hee hee hee hee hee)! I personally didn't mind seeing him fighting back against a suspension, while wearing a mask. I don't believe it was ever "proven" that it was him on a visual scale...but...yeah, it was definitely him, "If you will"! (Hee hee hee hee hee hee hee)! The American Dream, Dusty Rhodes, baby! A. K. A. The Midnight Rider. And, man, that Bionic Elbow! When he dropped that on ya, baby, it was all over but the shoutin', baby!!! I think it's great seeing Cody and Dustin Rhodes in AEW, finally free from that Tyrant, Vince "Mr. Sports Entertainment" McMahon! Bye bye, WWE-Here comes AEW!!!!!

[@chrischar9428]

Ohmyfuckinglord

[@ggaa111100]

I'd say that Bart Gunn was blackballed after The Brawl for All. Unfairly imo. Luckily for him he had a Japan option.

[@Rjensen2]

Well, THEN HE WASN'T BLACKBALLED!

[@guardianofchaosBD]

PAPW tv and CenterRing316, thank you! JC tells it like it is! Addicted to VG as a person in the industry 30yrs, WOW!

[@ItsAVolcano]

There's an old interview between Bruno and Colt Cabana where Bruno mentions he fell out with Vince when Buddy Rogers came into the territory, and more specifically Buddy's boys coming in as well and Bruno ending up falling down the card. Bruno's arguments over this with Vince are apparently what led to the "no-show" situation.

[@ExecutionersBong-bn9kx]

Dies anyone remember a heel tag team in the 80s called Death Row? Two big black lads in prison uniforms ? If I recall they were in Florida and also , maybe, wow for a while. Can’t seem to find anything about them online

[@steveg2251]

One of them was a WCW jobber

[@kingalexander2704]

Bruno Sammartino got blacklisted by McMahon Sr because he body slammed Haystacks Calhoun and that was a big no no in those days! Calhoun was supposed to be unslammable (not a word but what the hell). Bruno said he'd never seen McMahon so angry.

[@Rjensen2]

It had nothing to do with Calhoun. You are flat out lying about Bruno saying that too.

[@TuMalditaMadre]

3:17 crazy knowing they had a tape exposing the business that was finally released what, 6 months ago?

[@hezamachine]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hV7WfZx3ZciDZqM

[@michaelallanrubin2376]

@@hezamachine they're lying of course many injuries are real fuck orton he is a liar

[@shannonbarnwell3114]

No I watched plan B maybe 5 or 6 years ago on KZbin

[@LT-qd9ts]

I heard Bruiser Brody was blackballed from the WWF for a locker room rift with Gorilla Monsoon around 1976.

[@markg.1078]

I heard that Bruiser Brody//Frank Goodish could not get work in more than one territory. I'm pretty sure that his last stop (before Puerto Rico) was in Dallas Texas under the WCCW. Fritz Von Erich let him work, when nobody else would let him work and didn't want him around. My understanding is that he was very, very difficult to do business with or the work with. He wouldn't think twice about screwing a match up if things didn't go his way. You don't need somebody around who's going to do that.

[@TuMalditaMadre]

@@markg.1078 when you have options you can do whatever you want. If America didn't have anything for him there was always All Japan. He was all about business. If it made business sense, Brody would do it. But again, if you've got options and you can draw everywhere you go you're doing things your way.

[@jamesbowen8960]

Also, Bruiser Brody pushed a kid in a wheelchair over on its side. Ric Flair talks about it as he saw it happen. He said he couldn't believe his eyes. Brody didn't look back because he didn't want to break character. But Al Snow speaks very highly of Brody so it depends on who is talking.

[@diablo666541]

He knew how crooked promoters were .heknew they would screw g us on their pay u obviously never seen his popularity

[@paulschmick869]

Brody belongs in the HoF and Vince should make a movie about him with Jason Mamoa. Bruiser was a beast.

[@jabrockobiden9434]

It should be hard to track people down

[@emmphaticallyemm6476]

Eddy Mansfield

[@daniflores5119]

Wild how I just saw the DSOTR episode just now

[@bjlogwood1181]

Who wins in a strait up middle of the ring technical wrestling match: Arn Anderson or Brett Hart ....................go , please tell me that this match happened , and where to find it if it did

[@monstermaes9610]

Bj Logwood Arn Anderson would isolate a body part, hit the gut buster, spine buster, rear chin lock, a couple suplexes, Bret would take over with that crappy sit out clothesline, atomic drop, back breaker, side Russian leg sweep, elbow from the second rope, the figure 4 around the ring post, then slap on the sharpshooter, Arn wound tap. Just my take Arn was never ashamed to put somebody over even though most wrestlers couldn’t legitimately out wrestle him. I think he’s the greatest worker of all time. Bret always bored me.

[@brey4190]

Hey by bret Hart is one t climax Brett is two ts

[@GaryBowen00]

Arn would lose most matches but would look spectacular while doing it. Bret would put him over in a major way when he did win. Arn of course would be the heel and Bret the baby face. They would do good business together and remember one fact about Arn Anderson. He's the only man to ever pin both Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair. Everyone respected "The Enforcer", everyone wanted to work with him, and he never gave a damn about the world title. If that surgeon wouldn't have botched his neck surgery he would have wrestled Bret eventually.

[@chrisbucci5769]

Not sure about a singles match between the 2 but the opener of Summerslam 89 is The Hart Foundation vs. Arn Anderson and Tully Blanchard. Its a forgotten classic of tag team wrestling back when WWE could do it.

[@popachellione6799]

Maybe Sammartino pissed off some Mobsters.🤔

[@JessieBlackheart]

Dude in the picture looks like Macho Man Seth Rollins

[@TheLuscious]

David Mechaly dummy Billy Jack Haynes

[@ICHIBAN-cz8ih]

I know Giant Baba blackballed Genichiro Tenryu from AJPW for life but what was the reason for that?

[@wrestlinghistorian4064]

The Super World of Sports walkout is the rumor and it makes sense, because it forced Baba to retool at a time when he had already lost a great deal of available talent thanks to relations souring with Jim Crockett. It actually worked out really well for Baba in the short term and led to Kings Road and 4 pillars All Japan era. This is really a Meltzer question. This is right up his alley.

[@falseteeth9106]

Black balled? Anybody remember Eddie Mansfield?

[@Dakka0451]

They mention him at the end of the video.

[@momosupremacy8349]

People say the Rock is black balled but i think he is Samoan and Caucasian

[@jacknapier8270]

Momo Supremacy well played sir, well played

[@KPSavant]

The Rock is black bro

[@seangoodwin3046]

No one who drew money was ever blackballed. Someone would book them. For example, Sam Shepherd (the Fugitive) was booked after his trial.

[@Rjensen2]

After he got out of prison when he was found to be innocent.

[@greedyd5524]

Matt Borne and under age girl. Never heard that one.

[@toptenguy1]

Now it makes sense that Doink was Jerry Lawler's "Court Jester" at Summerslam 1993. :)

[@DjTractus]

Yep 14 year old ring rat.

[@samsmith8725]

@@DjTractus believe it or not they all don't look 14 and say they're 14 I've seen it happen backstage a lot of times sometimes the boys dont think twice and shit happens

[@MisterBeauJanGels]

Must be a thing with those Portland boys. Art Barr had to go wrestle in Mexico after getting popped. In his case, The Oregonian had a long-standing beef with the wrestling show. They ran a column questioning why he was doing a child-friendly gimmick when he had an incident with a girl in Pendleton hanging over his head.

[@elijahnakumura4375]

Eerily looks like Elias in thumbnail

[@brianstone3722]

Elijah Nakumura randy savage's son lol

[@melbias5046]

Yukon Eric got bruno the job in Toronto. Bruno visited the boys and yucon told him about toronto.

[@xanderharris1104]

I remember my dad telling me about watching yukon eric from the old days

[@chrisbailey4893]

I love jim cornette I wish he would pop in in aew just to pop Kenny omega or the young bucks with his tennis racket that would be awesome I love aew best thing going today hopefully we can get jim and jim ross together for one of those awesome interviews

[@ronaldshank7589]

Jim Cornette, and Good Ol' J. R....two of the legends! I'd definitely sit and listen to these two Wrestling Treasures talking shop. Definitely!!!

[@killerpretty]

did vince jr get dr d david shultz blackballed?

[@patale1640]

rico dakid makes no sense if anything he was protecting the business.

[@kpllc4209]

Some claim that Vince wanted Shultz to hit Stossel. I found it interesting that after he retired Shultz moved and started his bail bonds business in Connecticut, maybe Vince was taking care of him.

[@redrock717]

KP LLC it's hilarious today that the news and reporting is more fake than wrestling!

[@sambennett8387]

diggitydave3000 That is one cool story. 👍

[@tvtitlechampion3238]

There will always be someone attempting to call it like it isn't for profit.

[@streetsofsouthphilly]

If there is a title for wrestling historian Jim Cornette should have it but I hate when rants about "exposing the business". Like the nation didn't know wrestling was fake since at least the 1930s.

[@jordanwilliams7996]

*scripted

[@billadkins5150]

You miss the point.

[@Rjensen2]

​@@jordanwilliams7996 It was never scripted back then.

[@NicolasBowling]

Geez, the way Brian pronounces some words is so annoying "bwlow up" "fawwing out wif Eddie Grawam".

[@TuMalditaMadre]

You must be a Southerner

[@isaacgraham5727]

Regarding Powers and Barnett… Barnett *was* gay, right? I never thought that part of the story was at issue.

[@Rjensen2]

He was, and it wasn't. There were lots of gay people in wrestling then, ones you wouldn't even believe. They had wives and kids, but were gay and maintained relationships on the road.

[@Scorch1028]

Some of these so-called ‘black-balled’ pro wrestlers have actually been inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame.

[@Linusofthedead]

Sorry to ressurect the dead thread. But the in all fairness the Hall of fame is mainly a way for Vince to get rights for the networks streaming service.

[@shivx1]

@@Linusofthedead its not reddit bud you can post anytime. i'd agree with you on your hof analysis

[@harrybrown4077]

WTF did Dan Maff do to ROH and Homicide ?

[@kngwizrd]

Some paedophilia shit Maff was busted for

[@dallasparty316]

WWE blackballed Lavar Ball in the 90s. Lavar would have been bigger than Austin, Rock, NWO, DX all combined

[@JRMoney94]

Chris Lavar Ball?

[@TheStevehuff]

Chris Who is Lavar Ball?

[@Jakes2x]

Are you serious?!

[@brianstone3722]

Lol he's the black dude who was on Raw with his son lonzo who plays for the Lakers him and the miz did a funny segment

[@Sweeptheleg83]

@@brianstone3722 attempted funny moment. Let's keep this in proper perspective

[@fatjec]

Pat Patterson came all over Jim Wilson's wig.

[@spac18]

Peroxide balled

[@spinalthepirate7207]

Steve blackmon

[@timmahan1131]

Hey. Did someone step on a duck?

[@spinalthepirate7207]

Lance von Erich...I'm sure was blacballed from wccw...although not really his fault

[@TuMalditaMadre]

They introduced him wrong. Everyone in Dallas knew who he was. They could've brought him in as the football star that he was, had The Freebirds draw heat on him, beat him up a couple of times and have the Von Erichs save him, and have him adopt the Von Erich name, not just say he was a Von Erich.

[@fhumperdink8897]

He should have been...or whoever's stupid ass idea it was (Fritz). And Lanny Poffo was such a shit stain. He managed a B list tag team in the Beverly Brothers.

[@smallworldz7241]

Black balls

[@brucewhite360]

🤓🎾

[@jeffreyriley8742]

I love Jim but I wish he could go ten minutes without talking about Jerry Jarrett and Jerry Lawler.

[@rickylucas6503]

Jeffrey Riley or Vince Russo, or Midnight Express or Rock n Roll Express or Republicans

[@redrock717]

Ricky Lucas watch the Tim Horner rant lol

[@jonathanlindsey790]

If you had grown up on the Memphis territory, you would get it. Cornette grew up as I did watching wrestling done right. Everything else is sad by comparison.

[@hollywood21639]

I wouldn't have walked across the street to see Lawler wrestle any day of the week.

[@HoustonIsImmortal]

He speaks to his experience. I get it.

[@gregorylevi1826]

I believe that Barnett rumor

[@Rjensen2]

What rumor?

[@gregorylevi1826]

@Rjensen2 that he was gay, but at least he wasn't notorious like Pat Patterson was.....I think.

[@Rjensen2]

@gregorylevi1826 He was very well known as gay like Patterson but wasn't as open with it as Pat was, his famously "gay accent" aside. Shortly before Barnett died, he "came out" to his nieces, saying he had something important to confess. They thought he was going to say he had somebody killed in wrestling or similar. When he told them he was gay, they laughed and said that they knew very well that he was gay. I wouldn't say either was "notorious", however.

[@robferguson2525]

I like Jim...but he doesn't know everything..not sure what he is doing

[@shannonbarnwell3114]

Your right he doesn't know everything... but he dam sure knows most things

[@bobsucks9647]

Back when Cornette was still listenable and didn’t just obsess over AEW 24/7

[@sonnycrockett9900]

Black balls