Arcane's Vanishing of Viktor, The Machine Herald | Alliterated Articulacy™

[@MoreImbaThanYou]

I often read comments like "Season 2 needed 2 or 3 more episodes". Heck, I'd say the show needed 2 or 3 more seasons.

[@madmalkavian3857]

Adding to this, the hive mind is kind of a character assassination because at least with original Victor the lore was just he's way too eager to start replacing things with machine parts. "Oh you have a leg cramp? Here's a superior robotic leg because they never cramp"

[@Zayamad]

He also never forced it on anyone. He offered it to them.

[@finixmoon127]

I think it’s pretty clear that Viktor himself doesn’t realise the hivemind is “killing” his followers.

[@catsrneat4432]

I love this video. Finding out Viktor wasn’t a villain in league made so much sense because when he became not just a villain but THE villain I was like what?! Viktor consistently had good qualities and good intentions all throughout season 1.

[@franciscoadasilvajr4514]

Viktor turning into the Arcane goes along the rest with the season, by putting the social dynamic between Zaun and Piltover into the background and just HEY GUYS LOOK AT ALL THIS MAGIC WE GOT HERE, LOOK AT THIS ARCANE I EVEN MIGHT SAY Viktor pains and healthy problems comes from Zaun and the whole conflict in the first season was born for the class disparity, but the Arcane (the magic) makes every social aspect being resolved quickly to just focus on that. Viktor problems? Are now beautiful imperfections, and not consequences the poor life zaunites live. The final enemy? Mannequins and a prophet POWERED BY THE ARCANE (all the class stuff was resolved thanks to it forever yay)

[@franciscoadasilvajr4514]

And this without say how Arcane Viktor is just a mesh of every other mage-voidy in Runeterra, while the "Mechanical" Viktor was unique (even if poorly adressed and develop) Arcane Viktor also has a lot of less autonomy and agency, every achievement (his leg and so on and so forth) and his path to messiah feels always lucky or accidental, while "old" Viktor had a lot more of agency and the fact that he built, installed and then started to go even further on his enchantments felt more powerful Viktor legs feels not like something he has certain and had control and feels more like a desperate gambit

[@2pa42_ersennicholaas]

I agree, old viktor is really tied with zaun. As a teen his inventions reduces workplace accidents by a significant amount. It's so amazing university of piltover invites him to be a student. Then when the gas leak accident happens in zaun, he leaves his university and builds blitzcrank to save them. Arcane viktor contribution to zaun seems miniscule (he only helps after hexcore combines with him). And to the people who says old viktor are "old and tropey" yeah ofc he's from 2011 ffs, but so is aatrox, mordekaiser, urgot, warwick, etc. Their job is to make viktor more interesting but still keep his core identity. Riot latest rework skarner is also deleted, but at the very least his gameplay is updated significantly. Viktor still have his kit... WHICH IS THE MAIN REASON PEOPLE DONT PLAY HIM!

[@butchdeloria2995]

@@franciscoadasilvajr4514 exactly and i mean nearly every league character was underdeveloped in some way before arcane so they could of kept old Viktor and just developed him

[@franciscoadasilvajr4514]

@@2pa42_ersennicholaas Viktor rework is a mesh between a updated visual their old players in general didn't like (since how radical of a change it is and how little of the old Vik remained) while still having the old kit (not coming close to be this arcane powerful messiah) So it is bad to the ones who liked the old Viktor because it deletes their old character but also bad for the Arcane fans that can't really PLAY as the New Viktor

[@2pa42_ersennicholaas]

@@franciscoadasilvajr4514 yeah i agree with that. I just hope if they make him a mage at least be a unique mage like a techno mage, and his power is realizing real life physic concepts like zero gravity zone, magnetic energy, etc. IMO it will be unique and not just like brrr random magic energy (that's xerath's thing). Because i didn't know any mage that utilize real life concepts (except ekko and zaun with time magic)

[@praetorianrex5571]

Victor 🤝 Orion Pax *Accidentally became too important*

[@batnacks]

I was honestly surprised when Viktor got resurrected the first time his plan wasn't to immediately kill himself to get rid of the hexcore

[@finixmoon127]

He might have if he wasn’t influenced by the hexcore right after.

[@asgo7320]

But he told Jayce to destroy the hexcore, because he can't do it himself.

[@Lyrune]

One of the reasons why I absolutely adore your channel is that despite having many differing opinions, you so eloquently explain your perspectives in a way that lets me finally see why people do agree with you. I was so confused why so many people were so mad about old Viktor being replaced, when he was one of my least seen champs ever. But now I think I finally understand why.

[@cassius_scrungoman]

thank you, this comment is really sweet.

[@SlappinDaHoe]

​@@cassius_scrungoman I'd like to second this sentiment. As a non-League player with no interest in League, I was very happy with how Arcane played out from beginning to end. I disagree with you on a lot of things, but I appreciate the way you present your opinions and I really like your videos 🙏✨

[@Invalourrr-vb3xo]

Its kinda crazy the amount of things that retcon'd into existence in the final season... of a 2 season show.

[@spectacularspider-man4886]

Thank you for articulating my thoughts

[@nightfall4031]

"Underestimated the Survival modpack they were playing." Can relate.

[@ricardomilos3872]

I think the reason why Viktor didn't end up as the Cyborg guy who wants to replace the weakness of flesh with metal is the fact that it wouldn't really make him special especially when like 80% of the Zaunites where already pushing that idea which wasn't a major thing in the old Lore which is why it worked

[@Jorg13]

One thing that I feel people even more glossed over plot wise, Singed using Warwick's blood...juice(?) to somehow resurrect Viktor but also help him ascend to higher plane of existence. Singed made Warwick so he could have a bargaining chip when negotiating with Ambessa. He wasn't aware, at least not fully, of how Viktor could evolve at that point. It feels so far fetched that he would be able to make the killing machine that Warwick is while also having him be the perfect source of regenerative juice that also allows half hexcore'd Viktor to morph into a god.

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

Warwick works with a reformed version of shimmer, it can help people mutate/evolve, Singed saw Viktor and thought: "It can improve him too". At least for me, it is the least of the plot holes regarding Season 2 😂😂😂😂.

[@cleo3228]

Singed didn't make Warwick to be a bargaining chip, he specifically made him as an experiment to find a way to bring orianna back from death. That's why Warwick has such a strong healing factor. It's not really far fetched to assume that if Viktor absorbed Warwick's regenerative capabilities and combined them with his arcane abilities he could find a way to "save" orianna.

[@Jorg13]

@@cleo3228 I disagree, Singed got himself captured on purpose in order to have Warwick kill everyone in the prison and show his capabilities. He correctly presumed that someone in power will want to replicate it and he wanted a patron for his research. He later found out about how Viktor is evolving and realized he has better chances of curing his daughter by siding with Viktor. Otherwise, what stopped Singed from going to talk with Viktor before even having Warwick escape. The whole reason why Singed even met with Viktor again is that he was tracking Warwick for Ambessa.

[@Arakus99]

@@Jorg13 I think both of you are correct, Warwick is an experiment in regenerative stuff to try and save Orianna *and* a bargaining chip to get support for more research, I don’t see how he can’t be both I’m not sure why he didn’t just go to Viktor though tbh, only reasons I can think of are “he didn’t know about Viktor’s whole thing/where his commune was” or “he thought he needed Ambessa’s funding/equipment to combine their work together” both of which seem… wrong

[@IdenNonya]

Vi punched his face off, and he just casually regenerated it. I can see Warwick having regenerative properties

[@Kastelt]

What I was expecting is something similar to you with Viktor abandoning magic (or using it to power his technology, but not to outright fuse with it), then go to Zaun and use his glorious evolution to start actually helping people in there, against Piltover (but not taking away their free will and putting them in a hive mind, while og Viktor did create something that took away free will it was only for a specific purpose). I think Viktor just became, boring... Honestly, after he fused with the Arcane he basically just didn't really have problems, he's completely focused on his objective magically and really doesn't struggle that much. (Note: my memory is bad please inform me if this comment is a lie or if what I thought happen would suck, though what I thought would happen is very similar to the original lore anyway I think)

[@dinodude722]

With Arcane now spearheading the new lore of league/runeterra(instead of just being its own alternate continuity), im gonna think of it similar to the last time the lore got reset, depending on how things go moving forward. Giving us 3 distinct eras of lore. Those early years with the litteral League of Legends, the lore reset around 2014 or so and everything that came from that(which was going really well for a while) and now there's this... And whatever comes from it next.

[@mordiveer5957]

I checked out of Arcane's story investment-wise when I realized what they were doing to Victor and instead just enjoyed it for its beautiful art and aesthetic. I believe that's called copium.

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

Same, it looks amazing, every frame is a painting, but lorewise it killed Viktor

[@scuba2344]

I believe Arcane season 2 is what Jhin sees when he kills Viktor, a beautiful spectacle of identity assassination.

[@mordiveer5957]

@@scuba2344 It really was giving huge Jhin vibes I half expected him to show up.

[@xeeker4521]

3:00 OMG that is a good one adds up to a rewrite Idea

[@ShupperDupper]

i love that they just went nuclear option with the story, but losing everything they built was just tragic.

[@ad_astra5]

I feel like the magic ascension assimilation god thing could have worked, with like another season of development. Maybe the metal and steam failed, so he had no choice? Since they wanted to go to that outcome.

[@duffelpuffelmcduff1181]

Season 2 was soooo disappointing to me. Seeing so many people be like "Oh no it's better than season one just in different ways" has been frustrating to no end. Thank you for voicing your opinion on this.

[@jacksonjabba]

What I don’t understand is how different the opinions are on it. Nobody thinks season 2 is just okay, most people either love it more than the first season(me) or were incredibly disappointed(you) And honeerkt it’s not like other shows where I’ve been like “I like this but I get why it’s not for everyone,” like I just don’t understand why someone could dislike the season, and have had my friends who dislike it tell me the same thing about me liking it. It’s so weird, neither take is wrong ofc, I’ve just never seen something be split in this weird way before

[@Arakus99]

@@jacksonjabba maybe it’s just the places I’ve looked but there are some flaws everyone seems to agree on (basically everyone on the subreddit inc ppl who really like everything else about s2 seems to agree that the way the Piltover/Zaun class conflict gets overshadowed in the second half of the season by Warwick and then the Arcane stuff and ends up handwaved away with “bigger threat showed up so everyone banded together and it’ll be chill now” feels kinda like a ridiculous copout esp. compared to s1) (Also iirc the opinion split on The Last Jedi was kinda similar? (I loved it personally))

[@duffelpuffelmcduff1181]

@@jacksonjabba I liked season one because it was a story where people acting in good faith were doing bad things to each other for understandable reasons. It took its time and built up character relationships that I loved. Season 2 is a story that doesn't do any of that. It takes that conflict of two ideologically opposed peoples set to destroy themselves and dangles keys in front of their faces in the form of an objective evil. An objective evil that materializes out of nowhere and didn't have enough build up to make literal or narrative sense (i.e. Victors plan to go back in time to set all of these events in motion just so he can stop all these events in motion is stupid). All those slow moments between characters that build their image? Literally no time for that. Vanders back you have to hug him gogogogo. Characters that I want to love and hug but slap at the same time because their reasonable actions are making things worse for both sides? Nope, Caitlyn is a dictator now and Ambessa is pretty much just in the wrong. Also Caitlyn is never going to have to deal with the consequences of putting an entire nation of people under an even worse apartheid than the one they were already under because of ONE persons actions. I liked Season one for the same reasons I liked the first half of the Game of Thrones series. I disliked the second half for the same reason I disliked the second half of the game of thrones series.

[@smittywerbenjagermanjensen5410]

​@@jacksonjabbawhat about season 2 do you like more?

[@madpostman]

@@smittywerbenjagermanjensen5410 I'm not Jack, but I can give you some things I liked about season 2: - I liked that we got to learn more about the Arcane, what the show is named after, lol. - I liked the message at the end about humanity in general, that even though we're flawed creatures, it's our different emotions and desires that makes us interesting and beautiful. "There's no prize to perfection, just an end to pursuit." - I liked the theme of forgiveness. Piltover has done terrible things to Zaun, and Zaun has done some terrible things to Piltover, but in the end, the only peaceful way to stop the cycle of violence would be to forgive one another. That's the alternate world that Ekko saw, a united Piltover and Zaun. On the other end, if they don't learn to forgive each other, they'll end up with the alternate world that Jayce saw. The Piltover and Zaun class conflict is still ongoing, but they at least took a small step in the peaceful direction. I wouldn't say S1 or S2 is better than the other. IMP, both are two pieces that make a well crafted complete story.

[@A.C_B.]

Viktor and jayce were both horribly mishandled when it comes to the raw narrative. Jayce's "you are not broken" talk has cemented him as my least favourite character and Viktor (and his entire plotline in season 2) is just pointless. The show would have been better if both had just died in the explosion.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

Oh god don't get me started on that tone deaf speech. The show should've ended with them having a proper fight, and Viktor leaving for Zaun to complete his work. The whole astral plane thing needed to be cut .

[@A.C_B.]

@@blacktigerpaw1 yes! Make Viktor a third player in Zaun, alongside the chembarons and the firelights. Have him go full admech as he strives to overcome his sickness, dragging others with him into a grim-dark machine cult. And then make a third season where Camille appears as one of the major villains, just to make sure that nobody forgets that Pilltover is just as bad when it comes to transhumanist bs. On that note: the fact that Camille was never mentioned is a failure in itself. She would have been the perfect villain, truly representing how brutal Pilltover can be. I don't care that it wouldn't've made sense in terms of time-line. Camille is an amazing character and she deserves more attention. And I know that this would have turned the show extremely dark, having both Pilltover and Zaun on their worst behaviour, but that would have enabled the actually good-hearted characters like Ekko and Heimerdinger to shine even brighter, without having to resort to alternative timelines. Also: that would have been the perfect context to introduce Seraphine into the mix. They could have cut 50% of season 2 and still have enough material for a season 3.

[@laurennightingale4752]

what they did with Jayce was just criminal. They tried so hard to hide that mage!Viktor plot twist that they didn't let us understand wtf Jayce was thinking for episodes 5, 6, 8, and 9. He was just a plot device. And when all is revealed, it makes his actions completely nonsensical anyway.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

@@laurennightingale4752 It also takes away his agency, because everything he did truly was for nothing. Hextech still exists, it just goes to someone else.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

@@A.C_B. Camille would have been perfect for a the Piltover plot with Mel, with her acting as the middleman between Mel and Ambessa. It'd be classic GOT tier writing and politics.

[@elsienova4269]

I might be slightly on crack but after some commentary from the writers and....the way the social climate of 2024 is, I wouldn't be surprised if they made Viktor the god religious "greater guru" figure instead of the machine/technology herald, because right now people are much more sympathetic and fond of the former rather than the ladder. Considering the end of Season 1 started to frame Viktor as being in conflict with the direction Jayce and Piltover was going in, it wouldn't surprise me if the team behind Arcane and Riot decided that it would be in "bad taste" for the anti establishment figure to be the fantastical version of a tech bro which is something associated with people who are against the sort of values your average casual watcher might associate Viktor with. Still a fucking horrible decision, and a showcase of why sometimes its better to ignore certain ongoing social things when making fantasy media.

[@scuba2344]

I think that is a huge reach, it's more likely a bad decision from the creative team at Fortiche, Riot gave them too much freedom, which was good at certain aspects, but in Viktor's case it led them to stray too much from the original, you can see in their concepts they actually had very good mechanical, robotic and cybernetic forms to him, but they settled for this void-like purple noodle.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

​@@scuba2344I call him the Licorice Herald .

[@mohamednail1707]

I love arcane to death ( even s2 with all of its faults) but damn s2 felt extremely rushed

[@Loki-E]

The fact that for Victor to want to even go back in time to give Jayce the rune implies that 1. Jayce would have lived with or without the help or Ryze victor or 2. being connected to the arcane in the theoretical original time line allowed him to see a future where everything goes right and it can only happen if he saved this one boy and if that's the case he wouldn't have needed to try 50x times just to find the right rune cause if you can find the right boy you can certainly find the right rune without needing to time loop over and over again.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

It also implies every variable has to remain the same, with Ekko tipping off Vi, Vi robbing Jayce, Jinx bombing the council. All Mage Viktor had to do was tell Jayce to be careful. But no. Honestly, it would've been better had they stuck with Ryze as the mage.

[@NoirRaven]

Ohhhh, I love this. I got tripped up in the beginning because Arcane's steampunk (and so is OG Viktor,) which is basically science meets magic but no, this totally makes sense. I don't play the game so I didn't even think about Ryze and I think that's what the writers banked on. None of us [in the general audience] paid attention to the face of the mage (because it largely didn't matter and it's a pain in the ass to try if you don't have editing software) and we, as the general audience, wouldn't know about Ryze and therefore, wouldn't care. For the longest time I couldn't piece together why I didn't like Arcane S2 but this is it. They changed too much, too fast and what they decided to do made no sense when viewed in the wider lens of League's lore. Thank you.

[@wikilix8994]

I play league for a year now, I've never got interested in Viktor ingame (jungle goes brrrr) and I loved Arcane from the first to his last episode even if I was a bit dubitative at the end the Mannequins design got me (I love this kind of design). Now that I see this video (as an Adeptus Mechanicus enjoyer) It feels really sad to lost this unique champion with a visual rework (a skin would have been enough in my opinion), and I understand every Viktor mains complaint. I would be very angry if in the Noxus serie , Briar appears as an aquamancy mage

[@Joi2212]

Hahaha you my dear friend made the mistake of thinking Arcane was written to be the main canon. It was actually concieved as it's own universe before Riot games decided to make it the main canon, making all the 10 previous years of lore obsolete.

[@Grizabeebles]

League of Legends operates on 40k's level when it comes to the canon being "unreliable narrator" I remember playing back when the first version of the lore was that the League was created to stop climate change -- Summoners were causing continent-ravaging mana storms by pulling more power out of runestones than they needed. The game didn't even have factions yet.

[@ForOne814]

This show would've been so good if s2 just focused entirely on Piltover and Zaun conflict.

[@tran_genetic]

is this a joke?

[@fruchtvampir4348]

Just that it would have had even more plotholes with Ambessa/Noxus being established at the end of S1 ... like does she just leave without elaborating?

[@thatoneblackdude3333]

Perhaps not the entire season but definitely should have been more focused on and then make a season 3 for the rest of the plotlines

[@theshadowygm1461]

Knowing nothing about League of Legends, I really enjoyed season 2 (despite the break neck pacing). However, the machine vs magic idea presented in this video is really interesting and would have been cool to see play out in the show. It would have also lined up with Ambessa’s fighting against evil wizards plot.

[@motivateddad]

He's just Malzahar now. Riot effectively repleced two characters.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

I've said this many times but Viktor had no agency in S2. His entire existence revolves around Jayce, and he never actually becomes the Machine Herald. The Mage Viktor plot should have been cut completely as well as the astral plot. Let's not forget their deaths were literally for nothing as Hextech still exists and will be used by another family. Viktor deserved so much better.

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

Arcame: [Insert that MoistCr1tical Whuuul Meme] In League: Look how they massacred my boy 😢

[@smittywerbenjagermanjensen5410]

Good video. I also thought viktor would have carved his hexcore modded parts off and reject magic... would have made for an incredible arc. I had watched the leaks months back and I was coping hard about how bad it all seemed by telling myself that at least viktors arc had the potential to resolve in an interesting way. What a joke that ended up being

[@mileslugo6430]

The duality of the Arcane was swallowed up by Kindred or Death. Viktor manifesting the wolf

[@bosscoolaid1015]

When you realized Viktor becoming “Herald of the Arcane tm” is stupid when Xerath exist, literally just straight up being made of Arcane magic.

[@blacktigerpaw1]

Not to mention in his new lore, no one remembers him or his accomplishments. He not only died, he suffered the humiliation of having everything stolen from him. Old Viktor was the exact opposite, he worked for his accomplishments despite being humiliated.

[@itsthegr8matt]

Well put together, season 2 just felt incredibly disconnected from S1. And they did change the writers. So I guess that's that.

[@Yanquii]

Plus i don’t understand, how did Viktor became this in the first place? What is the startin point ? If Hextech is the problem, how did he became this because the hextech has been "created" by Jayce, if there’s no Jayce at first how did he became the thing he is in that AU? Idk why but i can smell a retcon

[@Atema-vf6cd]

No story line makes sense when you start thinking about it. Especially Caitlyns team and the whole stuff around Zaun and Sevika. Victor and Sevika were my favorite characters from season one and they ruined both of them. If there is no time to focus on 10 different good ideas just cut things out.

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

This what happens when you give people who actually believe "Josuke from future plot point" a show :p /j

[@fruchtvampir4348]

The mage probably wasn't Victor, it's more probable that he was another mage like Ryze that Victor just observed in multiple timelines. Like, it's possible that it was Victor, but you would have to deal with time loop stuff that would kind of complicate things? Its not really clear in the show, I'm just using Ockhams Razor here. Also the mage looks totally different than Victor, even in his later "mage form". But yeah, doesnt really change that Victor's arc was a bit confusing in S2, really suffered from the pacing imo.

[@Arakus99]

Doesn’t Jayce’s dialogue confirm that he thinks it’s the same mage? He says “why did you give me this?” and Viktor doesn’t correct him

[@IdenNonya]

@@Arakus99 absolutely, but narrative-wise it's a heavy implication than an outright confirmation.

[@fruchtvampir4348]

@@Arakus99 I agree, from Jayce's POV he is the same mage. It's kind of left open, if he really is, but it wouldn't make sense really. Even ignoring the time loop stuff, why would future Viktor give Jayce the rune stone in the first place? Why start Hextech from a perspective where you already know it will bring about doom?

[@HANCOCK_LOL]

season 1 felt like it was written by people who loved and understood the league lore season 2 feels like it was fan written by people who have only read summaries of characters

[@Nuggohmed]

arcane season 2 absolutely needed at least 1 more episode per act, they left out so many damn details because they had to rush the story forward. I didnt even know the name of the guy Vi drinks with in episode one was until the final episode, and even then it was a very fast scene.

[@zigzaghyena]

That point I can speak on, because his name doesn't really matter. The point of his existence is that Vi is using him as a coping mechanism for Vander's absence. He's not a bad dude, he does take care of Vi in her lowest moments, but he's just....not Vander, and Vi needs her real family to pull her out of the hole she's crawled into.

[@L.BTransmission]

I love the new Viktor

[@TekharthaMondatta]

i kinda wish they'd just scrapped his whole kit except for the laser. his gameplay isn't represented in the show except vaguely with the storm over piltover standing in for his ult and pulling double duty with gravity fuckery to rep his w. q is nonexistent. they called it a vgu and it was really just a visual update

[@royaloreo1275]

5:30 I've heard some people being miffed about Viktors spooky face, and I dont get it. It looks cool and it's symbolism is simple to understand.

[@Arakus99]

I think it looks kinda goofy tbh, idk the whole other face literally splitting his old face in two feels comically on the nose to me, idk tho

[@finixmoon127]

⁠@@Arakus99 Really ? It feels super eerie and disturbing to me lol

[@blacktigerpaw1]

​@@finixmoon127it's the mouth. Get rid of the mouth and you keep the creepy factor.

[@theminer6132]

is that famous league player "Master Deepwoken"? in those clips??

[@matthieuwojcik6609]

Feels like the changes were somewhat needed for Viktor in Arcane, compared to his in game lore/persona. His shift in the serie might have been too quick due to the lack of time left to the serie, but it follows a clear path in Viktor mindset. He's absolutel convinced he's helping people and humanity, ending pain and suffering. That goes well with the Arcane assimilation where the process stripped them from humanity , but is painless and quite of a... Serene and peaceful process. Having him to shift into someone who... Forcibly dismember people to replace parts of their body with machinery like he does in his OG lore is clearly not an evolution of a character that seemed realistic to make, even with 1 more season .

[@immortalartisan4724]

wait are you telling me arcane DOESNT END WITH THE ADEPTUS MECHANICUS? im dissapointed

[@averyzebrowski1623]

The more I thought about Arcane Act 2, the more unhappy and disappointed I feel. I feel like I am in the minority though.

[@rozemorgaine1886]

Arcane most certainly could have used a 3rd season, but ah well. We got what we got, and tbh I like it? I'm fine with what they do with Viktor and Warwick (scept the magic blood, that was...off). And who knows, maybe the next show they come up with will have Viktor realize he was going about it all wrong. I think they're still alive?

[@seph123]

Pretty sure it's still ryze the mage.. but Viktor that can universe jump use ryze to have the rune

[@erikmitk1944]

It should have been 5 seasons ...

[@mra4521]

Is it bad that I think Marvel’s Sony’s Insomniac’s Spider-Man 2 does Viktor better than Arcane?

[@astrolord4325]

The problem with adaptation is that, they just adapt.

[@Infinite8blue]

I want a refund on my Viktor skins i will not be playing the new twink Viktor

[@hiiamelecktro4985]

Yeah, I think this season very much felt like “oh shit, people want a season 2?”. I also very much doubt there was much planned in advanced. I honestly would’ve been fine if s1 was all we were given. But it’s not the worst thing ever or anything. It’s a bit jarring to see a 10/10 show go to a 8/10. But I still enjoyed watching it.

[@finixmoon127]

This is kinda BS lol, go watch some Christian Linke and Fortiche interviews, the actual showrunners, writers and artists all believed in the project, and besides there’s no way they weren’t planning out at least _some stuff_ for Season 2 with that big of a cliffhanger.

[@seph123]

Really hope riot won't do it again to the next series... They just killed Viktor . In this show and in game lore, replaced him with a character that is not Viktor but use his abilities Whatever Viktor has become.. he is not a machine, he is just a metallic magician.. there's no gear or wires on him.. or even his mannequins.. those are dolls not even a robot. Even Orianna''s design is a downgrade... so if arcane is canon.. we don't really have any mechanical champions.. cuz orianna is just human transformed into a metallical human..not augmented by technology, glad they removed blitzcrank because they also planned to give him life via arcane and have the same aesthetic as those mannequin but big.. then kill him.

[@bar-elch7809]

Oh thank GOD someone that sees how bad season 2 is instead of glazing it for hours

[@tylerleach8796]

Okay it has flaws, but don’t pretend this season was “bad.”

[@mirage_wanderlust4636]

VERY WELL SAID!!! They could have easily made more season! Yes, Viktor and Jayce were key elements to s1, but the main focus was Vi and Jinx!! S2 was just too crowded and I think it would have been more cohesive if they just focused on Jinx and Vi & Jayce and Viktor. These four had the strongest stories and it would have been nice if we got to spend more time with them. 😭

[@authorjp]

I blame riot they ruined arcane

[@НочнойШорох]

God, thank you for this video! Everyone around is so excited about season 2 and Jesus-Viktor, that I started to think thtat there's somesting wrong with me.

[@raeldri5867]

Im pretty sure they changed their original story because freaking internet keep shipping Jayce and Viktor and they wanted them ending "together" rather than being rivals and in conflict, just like the problems of Piltover and Zaun just ignored and pushed aside, forget the years of oppression, the terrorist attacks and the war crime of gassing the population a small army and a magic twink are the bigger threat, im sick of these "solutions" to bigger problems

[@butchdeloria2995]

it's possible although then if that were ture i dont think the writers would have said that viktor and jayce are completely platonic

[@2pa42_ersennicholaas]

I really don't like they remove viktor and jayce rivalry, it already set up when jayce says undercity people are dangerous and viktor desperation to quickly improve zaunite's lives.

[@nunyabiznes7446]

Remember when Mel was an interesting character? Don't worry guys, we fixed her, she shoots lasers now- Arcane S2's writing was so colossally bungled it brought me out of shitty youtube retirement to make a video on how it completely dropped all its social themes in favor of fighting a canonically-mistaken wizard.

[@triciclosonido]

Oh, boy . Where do I start? This video shows why "lore experts" should not be exposed to material clearly not intended for them. Sorry, but very, VERY few people care about the inconsistencies between series Viktor and LoL Viktor, or wheter they eventually changed Ryze (a completely new character that doesn't show up in the whole series) by Viktor in the end. Also, Viktor is never killed by Jayce, so all of your complaints based on that make no sense. And I could talk a lot more about the innacuracies on your video, but I will stick with the biggest one: sorry to burst your bubble, but season 2 has 100/89 in Rotten Tomatoes and 86/8.1 in Metacritic, so no, it was not received with "mixed reviews" but with universal acclaim. Cheers.

[@laurennightingale4752]

that they are upset with the character lore change is just part of the criticism. Also, critic reviews for a tv show tend to come out for the first few episodes only, ie. most reviews were written only for Act 1, before the writing went way off the rails. There were a million things wrong with Viktor's character arc, and I know nothing of League lore. Was Viktor manipulated by the hexcore or not? Was that really Sky? If he wasn't manipulated by the hexcore, why tf did a hallucination of Sky lead him to that specific spot in the undercity? "In all timelines and all possibilities", does that mean regardless of what happened with Jayce and Hextech, Viktor ALWAYS turns into an evil god bent on assimilating everyone? Even without merging with the hexcore? That would mean everything set up in season 1 with the hexcore was useless. What about the timeline where Viktor presumably dies to his disease? Like in the timeline Ekko goes to... or was there an evil Viktor running around in that timeline who we just didn't see? Was the anomaly mage!Viktor's own construct? It seemed to be fully under his control, in the palm of his hand. If so, why wouldn't he do anything to stop his past self from using it as a power source for assimilating everyone? Just... so much wrong, largely thanks to that stupid timeloop. These are KEY questions that should have been answered in the show to explain WHY Viktor did everything he did. If anything he did was HIS OWN WILL. If you can answer any of them, it's only because it is your personal interpretation. There is nothing in the show to answer any of this.

[@tylerleach8796]

@@laurennightingale4752considering Arcane clearly wasn’t meant to be canon (or else Riot would have said so from the beginning instead of after it became popular), lore contradictions aren’t exactly fitting here.

[@sirith9157]

I WISH they stayed true to the plot of tragedy and how one character actions affect the other. Ekko, Jinx, Vander, Vi, Silco. All of those were brilliant! And then we have to make a giant threat out of nothing... Because "Somehow". Short story: I've played a lot of dnd and similar games. Most old DMs understand the fact of "Time travel" and all that prophecy thing. Don't do it unless you have everything prepared from the start. Also... Can we mention how Victor and Jayce were just a good homies and end up in this weird ass gay relationship? Why? Dark Souls as well with Miyazaki and his feet obsessesion