Archbishop Viganò charged with schism: Last week in the Church with John Allen Jr.

[@KaneTheTraitor]

I would say not to trust AI with Catholic teaching. Its in print for a reason and shouldn’t be used for current events

[@SergioBriMa]

What’s the reason?

[@chrisbiddle3674]

No, not current events. It doesn’t have the ability to search the internet

[@SheilaMcLaughlin-rl4sx]

Am very pleased re Dr Ganswein s appointment He is good priest absolutely no scandals with him God bless him in his work he will do a wonderful job

[@imatrOlda]

Thanks for the perspective of how we in North perceive appointing of “not mainstream’ guys as powerful people of Catholic church here. Greetings from Finland!

[@yolandasalazar8773]

I stand with Viganò more power to him. Go team Vigano 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@oliverclark5604]

to Yolanda Salazar, The backers/protectors of Archbishop Vigano, formerly both the Vatican state ambassador to the USA and the Pope's apostolic nuncio to the church in the USA, are those family members in diseased identities who cause by their occult as hidden, incest connected as substitute mate grooming of their psychologically and or emotionally vulnerable family members for economic advantage by tax-exemption embezzlements and lower insurance cost by fraud of their families that "the great majority of sacramental marriages are invalid". "Job's Trust", family members of valid consecrated marriages, celibate vowed to man in Christ and male female vowed to God, has been investigating them since at least 1946 on the reference point of Mary at Lk 1:29-45 and Mt 1:24.

[@wally-k7q]

History will prove Vigano a brave soldier of Christ.

[@robertmanella528]

Have the Vatican no idea EXACTLY who they are angering( God)!! I would never want to be an enemy of God!! God will not be mocked!!!! Pope Francis is in big big trouble with God himself!!!

[@Abraham-uk4xy]

Where is Vigano and who is backing and protecting him. It's better you investigate that.

[@oliverclark5604]

The backers/protectors of Archbishop Vigano, formerly both the Vatican state ambassador to the USA and the Pope's apostolic nuncio to the church in the USA, are those family members in diseased identities who cause by their occult as hidden, incest connected as substitute mate grooming of their psychologically and or emotionally vulnerable family members for economic advantage by tax-exemption embezzlements and lower insurance cost by fraud of their families that "the great majority of sacramental marriages are invalid". "Job's Trust", family members of valid consecrated marriages, celibate vowed to man in Christ and male female vowed to God, has been investigating them since at least 1946 on the reference point of Mary at Lk 1:29-45 and Mt 1:24.

[@TobyLongcore-hr5cm]

Excommunication of a retired bishop??? How often does that happen?

[@JohnS-jj9by]

Seems to me Archbishop Vigano has been correct about many things you mock.

[@Antonia_D]

AI can be heavily compromised. It’s a terrible choice for Catholic teaching.

[@JMJ88-vw7sh]

Bergolio must be charged instead.

[@oliverclark5604]

Pope Francis in his consecrated celibate marriage role identity vowed to man in Christ charged with withstanding extreme tensions caused by tax-exemption embezzlements and lower insurance cost by fraud harming the most vulnerable with economic advantage for families of 'familyist' family member groomers of their psychologically and or emotionally vulnerable family members with this occult as hidden, incest connected as substitute mate, inducement concealing or camouflaging or obstructing exposing by falsely purporting presuming consecrated celibate marriage is a "higher vocation" than consecrated male female marriage vowed to God?

[@freddiekirschman4933]

Vigano hasn’t been wrong about 1 thing yet. Not one!

[@oliverclark5604]

The backers/protectors of Archbishop Vigano, formerly both the Vatican state ambassador to the USA and the Pope's apostolic nuncio to the church in the USA, are those family members in diseased identities who cause by their occult as hidden, incest connected as substitute mate grooming of their psychologically and or emotionally vulnerable family members for economic advantage by tax-exemption embezzlements and lower insurance cost by fraud of their families that "the great majority of sacramental marriages are invalid". "Job's Trust", family members of valid consecrated marriages, celibate vowed to man in Christ and male female vowed to God, has been investigating them since at least 1946 on the reference point of Mary at Lk 1:29-45 and Mt 1:24.

[@mikaelangel76]

Of course! Just he didn't recognized the pope as real or valid pope. He is in his right on what to say and where to be.

[@johnfisher247]

It is regrettable. Yet many of the things Vigano says are true and express what many think. Yes Vigano has spoken immoderately and vehemently. The Pope is the catalyst for this and also speaks out of turn, acts with caprice and can't grasp his role isnt to surround himself with theologically and morally corrupt minions and then distort Church teaching and the methodology of his passing on not twisting the Faith to suit his will and taste. Thankfully time moves on and death comes but this whole conflict is made by Pope Francis. Shame on him! It would be unwise to excommunicate Vigano because it validates his claims the Pope an a dictator.

[@mikey1230]

Not sure who this guy is and can help but wonder if he is a mason. He could not be more wrong and in error…

[@oliverclark5604]

@@mikey1230 Yes. The backers/protectors of Archbishop Vigano, formerly both the Vatican state ambassador to the USA and the Pope's apostolic nuncio to the church in the USA, are those family members in diseased identities who cause by their occult as hidden, incest connected as substitute mate grooming of their psychologically and or emotionally vulnerable family members for economic advantage by tax-exemption embezzlements and lower insurance cost by fraud of their families that "the great majority of sacramental marriages are invalid". "Job's Trust", family members of valid consecrated marriages, celibate vowed to man in Christ and male female vowed to God, has been investigating them since at least 1946 on the reference point of Mary at Lk 1:29-45 and Mt 1:24.

[@rosarosario1375]

🙏🙏🙏 for church unity and be back to tradition in the celebratiion of mass and the true teachings be acted and preach to all baptized christians...the church is so divided...

[@markgraham2312]

That was fantastic! This is one crazy Church!

[@amaniampongpius5796]

But is Francis a catholic to lead the catholics to pronounce a charge against Vigano. No Evil and silly pope

[@John.Macdonald]

Do not use AI for Catholic knowledge.

[@Rita-nx6fg]

I stand with Vigano, as well.

[@freddiekirschman4933]

Vigano did nothing wrong other than stand with Catholic tradition and calling Francis out for all his heresy

[@ndwigajohnpeter5702]

Are you not ashamed of Accusing the Holy Father of heresy

[@TP-om8of]

@@ndwigajohnpeter5702Why? We’ve had bad popes before. We’ve had heretical popes before. Why do you think that’s impossible today?

[@arnoeeuwigheid4499]

​@@ndwigajohnpeter5702NOT AFTER AMORIS LAETITIA and CERTAINLY NOT AFTER FIDUCIA SUPPLICANS which even makes things WORSE!!!!!!

[@ndwigajohnpeter5702]

@@arnoeeuwigheid4499 what's wrong with Amoris Laetitia have you read it?

[@ndwigajohnpeter5702]

@@TP-om8of you cannot say that to justify your case... Bring facts at hand that suggest to you the affirmation which you are making

[@JuliaArnold-z1s]

I love vigano

[@Rita-nx6fg]

Re: the nuns, this is pathetic and Unconsciable. They have dedicated their lives to tradition and to be treated as such is unforgivable.

[@lawrencekamanga3675]

Someone please help me to get linked to Archbishop Vigano

[@joeoleary9010]

10 years ago Crux shut down the comments forums on their website, promising to bring them back "soon." Still no forums on their site. Same story with National Catholic Reporter. That's Catholic journalism for you.

[@oliverclark5604]

Much of Catholic journalism benefits economically from the backers/protectors of Archbishop Vigano, formerly both the Vatican state ambassador to the USA and the Pope's apostolic nuncio to the church in the USA, are those family members in diseased identities who cause by their occult as hidden, incest connected as substitute mate grooming of their psychologically and or emotionally vulnerable family members for economic advantage by tax-exemption embezzlements and lower insurance cost by fraud of their families that "the great majority of sacramental marriages are invalid". "Job's Trust", family members of valid consecrated marriages, celibate vowed to man in Christ and male female vowed to God, has been investigating them since at least 1946 on the reference point of Mary at Lk 1:29-45 and Mt 1:24.

[@mariannem8419]

Why aren't we asking why ADULT women did not feel they could punch Rupnik in the face and tell him to go ---- himself? When will we discuss that we were taught that hitting a priest was a sacrilege, not just a mortal sin, and how that affected the many children who were abused by priests? If we do not deal with all the issues, they will fester.

[@wingchun1963]

4:00 to get to the news then immediately attacks Vigano. Thumbs down.

[@Mutasis_Mutandis]

Is Vigano 83 or 93? I’ve heard both.

[@ToniAnnKleinman]

What does schism mean?

[@burtonsankeralli5445]

Ever listen to father Altman?

[@christopherfeeney1962]

Altman is a flipping NUT!

[@TexasLeadersOrg]

Allen's commentaries are not edifying. Waste of time. Silly fellow.

[@oliverclark5604]

Is it that Allen's commentaries are not edifying because the backers/protectors of Archbishop Vigano, formerly both the Vatican state ambassador to the USA and the Pope's apostolic nuncio to the church in the USA, are those family members in diseased identities who cause by their occult as hidden, incest connected as substitute mate grooming of their psychologically and or emotionally vulnerable family members for economic advantage by tax-exemption embezzlements and lower insurance cost by fraud of their families that "the great majority of sacramental marriages are invalid". "Job's Trust", family members of valid consecrated marriages, celibate vowed to man in Christ and male female vowed to God, has been investigating them since at least 1946 on the reference point of Mary at Lk 1:29-45 and Mt 1:24.

[@kfresne3011]

Living in Italy you're removed from the real world. Vigano, contrary to being a tin hatter, is more in touch with reality than most prelates (and certainly Francis) after his work in the Vatican, being Papal Nuncio to the US and visiting dioceses and bishops all over the USA, living in DC, the power center of the USA and speakiung at the UN in NYC. He's 100% on target with his beliefs.

[@isoldam]

Vigano fell victim to his own ego and crossed the line. He needs to repent, submit to discipline, and apologize.

[@freddiekirschman4933]

@@isoldamabsolutely not. He’s been right on target the whole time

[@abhishekconstantinewinches9907]

​​@@freddiekirschman4933 your American ignorance and arrogance are the issues which make you feel superior to the Pope and compel you to say that you're your own god.

[@LoisBusuttil]

​@@isoldam You are right about Viganoʻ.

[@oliverclark5604]

@@LoisBusuttil The backers/protectors of Archbishop Vigano, formerly both the Vatican state ambassador to the USA and the Pope's apostolic nuncio to the church in the USA, are those family members in diseased identities who cause by their occult as hidden, incest connected as substitute mate grooming of their psychologically and or emotionally vulnerable family members for economic advantage by tax-exemption embezzlements and lower insurance cost by fraud of their families that "the great majority of sacramental marriages are invalid". "Job's Trust", family members of valid consecrated marriages, celibate vowed to man in Christ and male female vowed to God, has been investigating them since at least 1946 on the reference point of Mary at Lk 1:29-45 and Mt 1:24.

[@carminelombardi9575]

The question is, was he charged by a heretic, or apostate Pope?, if so it's invalid in Jesus' eyes.

[@S.Morales777]

🙏💕PRAYERS FOR the persecution of our faithful Archbishop Viganò.💕Our Holy Trinity has the ultimate authority and the FINAL word. 🙏 (John 15:19-20)
"If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you: 'A servant is not greater than his master.'If they persecuted me,they will also persecute you". ( John 15:19-20 )

[@lo5182]

I stand with the Vicar of Christ! Long Live Christ the KIng! Down with Schismatics!

[@bthemedia]

It’s absolutely hilarious how this talking head speaks about vaccine mandates, WEF, OWG and other “tin foil hat” issues AS IF they have not been proven true in recent years! 😂

[@Rita-nx6fg]

I've said resident evil is in the Vatican.

[@DianeCooperTW]

The thing with papal ambassadors I don't think most countries give a fuck about their relations with the Vatican so it doesn't really matter who's the ambassador and their relationship to the curia leadership

[@rociomallet]

*La bula cum ex apostolatus officio dice claramente, aunque sea un Romano Pontífice ELEGIDO, si es hereje NO SUBE al Pontificado*

[@p.alhadeffromrio]

10,722 views and 293 likes 👍!! 😮

[@user-dg7qv8yu7b]

Protestant Church was recognized by Rome Catholic Church as a brother in faith, namely the CHURCH OF CHRIST, not heresy (KV2 ) ... IF the anathema against M. Luther was heresy, of course Rome Catholic Church would refuse to recognize M. Luther / Protestan as a brother in faith because it deviated from the truth of the Bible, on the other hand, if the anathema because it was not in accordance with the rules of the Rome Catholic Church , but still in accordance with the truth of the Bible, then Rome Catholic Church would still recognize Protestan as a brother in the faith (Church of Christ). ... which one is correct? Different Cases from Arius - Jehovah's Witness / Sabelius - Pentecostal Oneness who was anathema because against the Bible (rejecting Trinitarian God) so They was not recognized as a brother in the faith / not the Church of Christ. I see that Bishop Vigano's case is similar to Martin Luther's case, he was excommunicated/ heresy just for going against GKR rules ??

[@mentran7112]

Repent now francis

[@chrissobolewski5509]

When people comment that they stand with Absp Vigano, what are they standing with? While the podcasts have been reporting many things, it seems that the allegation of schism is due to Abhp Vigano not recognising the Pope nor Vatican II. I would all to read the Vatican I documents AD1870, and discern whether the Magisterial Declaration of the Papal Jurisdiction is applicable today? Would AD1870 be traditional Catholic teaching? I neither condemn nor condone anyone here, however Church Jurisdiction is held sole by the Holy See. +Pax Christi

[@Jimboken1]

Fr Joseph Ratzinger 1968 - later Pope Benedict XVl: "Over the pope as the expression of the binding claim of ecclesiastical authority, there still stands one’s own conscience, which must be obeyed before all else, even if necessary against the requirement of ecclesiastical authority. This emphasis on the individual, whose conscience confronts him with a supreme and ultimate tribunal, and one which in the last resort is beyond the claim of extemal social groups, even of the official Church" Commentary on the Documents of Vatican II, ed. Vorgrimler, 1968, on Gaudium et spes, part 1, chapter 1. Pope Benedict XVI , in a homily of May 7, 2005: "The Pope is not an absolute monarch whose thoughts and desires are law. On the contrary: the Pope's ministry is a guarantee of obedience to Christ and to his Word. He must not proclaim his own ideas, but rather constantly bind himself and the Church to obedience to God's Word, in the face of every attempt to adapt it or water it down, and every form of opportunism…"

[@ChrisSobolewski-sf8ye]

​@@Jimboken1 Grace and Peace, and thank you for sharing this information - it is important to understand the context and audience that Fr Ratzinger was addressing in 1968, following the closure of Vatican II and any of the Papal Encyclicals issued by Pope St John VI. Likewise for the exegesis in the homily of 2005. In addressing the accusations against Absp Vigano, whose ordination to the Bishopric would have been conferred by a Papal Bull, those deposed to overseeing Church Discipline, would need to investigate the merits or de-merits of Canon Law - perhaps:- Can. 751 Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him. Furthermore, the First Dogmatic Constitution of the Church of Christ, Vatican I - Session 4 18 July 1870, Pius, bishop, servant of the servants of God, with the approval of the sacred council, for an everlasting record :- declared the apostolic primacy of the blessed Peter; declared the the permanence of the primacy of blessed Peter in the Roman pontiffs; declared the power and character of the primacy of the Roman pontiff. 2. "Wherefore we teach and declare that, by divine ordinance, the Roman church possesses a pre-eminence of ordinary power over every other church, and that this jurisdictional power of the Roman pontiff is both episcopal and immediate. Both clergy and faithful, of whatever rite and dignity, both singly and collectively, are bound to submit to this power by the duty of hierarchical subordination and true obedience, and this not only in matters concerning faith and morals, but also in those which regard the discipline and government of the church throughout the world. In this way, by unity with the Roman pontiff in communion and in profession of the same faith , the church of Christ becomes one flock under one supreme shepherd " As this is a declaration by a Ecumenical Council, and by a valid Supreme Pontiff, is this ordinance not binding upon the current Pontiff? As a practicing Catholic, I am called to pray for Absp Vigano and all our ordained priests in unity with the Church (cf Eucharistic Prayer), not to condemn any one of God's sons or daughters - yet by "Faith and Reason, are like two wings upon which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of the Truth" (Pope St John Paul II), need to correct speach or comment that has the potential to cause scandal to the Church of Christ. +Pax Christi

[@Jimboken1]

@@ChrisSobolewski-sf8ye Vigano is no threat. He's become a peculiarly irrelevant figure and few trads or conservatives herald him. Even Remnant have broken with him. His only import is his original claim (I believe him) that he advised Pope Francis of McCarrick's abuses and Benedict's banishment of him to a reclusive life of prayer. This has never been answered. This nonsense at this time says more about Francis that Vigano.

[@ChrisSobolewski-sf8ye]

@@Jimboken1 Thank you for your reply - I neither know nor follow Absp Vigano's past history. For clarity, if Absp Vigano was Nuncio 2011-2016, was it Pope Benedict XVI or Pope Francis that bannt ished him to a reclusive liofe of prayer? Or is this refering to Pope Emeritus Benedict retiring? If Absp is no threat, with a few trads/conservatives helralding him, yet he as an ordained Bishop rejectes the Papacy, or as reported Vatican II, is he in communion with the one holy catholic and apostolic church? And if the shared view is that the Papal Office has been vacant from Pope John XXIII onwards (Vatcican II), by what authority would Absp Vigano have been ordained to the Bishopic or what office in the Church would he have served as Nuncio to the USA? What documentary is available that you can provide (not podcasts or rad-trad journalism) to to believe the the original claims without any doubt? The letter that Absp Vigano published in 2018? It is really sad that the reported extra-juristic process, has been on trial by social media, the trad/conservatives and ABsp Vigano himself against the Vatican. Nevertheless, I shall leave all readers with the following to consider: "Error never shows itself in its naked reality, in order not to be discovered. On the contrary, it dresses elegantly, so that the unwary may be led to believe thant is is more truthful tahn truth itself" - St Irenaeus.

[@Jimboken1]

@@ChrisSobolewski-sf8ye Pope Benedict made those instructions. State Prosecutors don't pursue every transgression of the law. They are supposed to exercise prudence in indictments. A village idiot calling for the overthrow of the government for instance, generally isn't charged with treason.

[@ProdigalSon684]

I love magisterium ai!! I’m using it to explain Catholicism to Protestant friends.

[@joeberta368]

Anathema sit!

[@tryscience]

Archbishop Viganò... Maybe he worships the Tangerine Jesus, like so many crazies in the US?

[@terezagrbin4357]

He sent him possibly hyping there is so violence he get killed

[@mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311]

Cattivo😏

[@johngermain3076]

The SSPX is NOT a schismatic movement, NOT SCHISMATIC, stop saying that, it's a lie.

[@mikaelangel76]

🤔

[@cristiansalgadog.795]

Excellent, that CIA double agent must be expelled.

[@beebella2800]

With all due respect, you seem to be out of touch with the rest of the world with regards to Arb Vigano. He is much loved by Catholics worldwide and has a track record of being correct. His letter of response clearly articulates his position. His loyalty is to Christ. God Bless & Keep His Excellency. Arb. Ganswein will do an excellent job. He is well respected and capable.

[@DrexelGregory]

Didn’t the McCarrick report show Viganò dropped the ball?

[@virginiacharlotte7007]

@@DrexelGregory yes it did. The email trail shows this is the case . Michael Lofton unpacked it all recently on Reason and Theology

[@mikaelangel76]

He is much loved by Catholics? That sounds like a propaganda. For some Catholics, it would be more accurate. But, you are in your right on free speech.

[@paullangin4499]

First a and last visit to this anti ‘true’ catholic site. Mad Frank is a nut-job, far too much evidence for his craziness.

[@vilmacabanbabilonia8214]

I'm sick of Vigano and the likes. They are always dissenting and making statements that are causing confusion and division.

[@lylybruehl2553]

Learn your faith properly and understand it well then you won't be so confused... start with the Catechism and bible!

[@vilmacabanbabilonia8214]

@lylybruehl2553 And I suppose you are one of his "likes."

[@Chronosmaster002]

​@vilmacabanbabilonia8214 and you sound like the type to throw ad hominem attacks instead of giving a relevant argument. If not, elaborate, what is the confusion Viganó has created other than outing predator McCarrick and those who covered for him?

[@Jimboken1]

Catholics are supposed to dissent from heresy and poor ecclesiology. Ironically, the commonest criticism by far of Pope Francis is that he sows confusion.

[@clarkkent5442]

it's truly heartbreaking to see so many people risk their souls to follow a heretic. he knew about mccarrick as early as 2006, was told about priest 3 in 2012 and celebrated him in public. but when priest 3 threatened to go public vigano came out with an accusation against the Supreme Pontiff. he's a coward and a liar

[@paulwarren964]

Catholic means “in communion with…”. If you don’t want to…don’t

[@joeberta368]

Actually it means “universal” or “all embracing”

[@TP-om8of]

@@joeberta368The popesplainers think it means dancing to the tune of the pope of the moment

[@Jimboken1]

We are in communion with the See of Peter but 'catholic' just means universal. Pope Francis is one of the very worst popes in history. That's all. He's made no ex cathedra novel teaching but he will be clarified/corrected in several areas by his successors.

[@unicell851]

This is why the Church is what it is today gotten into too much politics. 😊

[@mikaelangel76]

The Church was gotten into politics since centuries ago.

[@markantrobus8782]

Vigano must support SCOTUS too?

[@ConanTheLibrarian-n5q]

I would made Ganswein nuncio to the Seychelles and Mauritius

[@mois5570]

I would like an emotionally mature pope. But, that's what we got.

[@taghreedabdulahad4779]

Vigano's followers try to make him look as Martyr , while his high Ego lead him to be like Martin Luther , I totally stand with Pope Francis whom was patient with him since years .

[@mois5570]

Best joke ever. Francis patient? Look at his book, Il succesore or El sucesor, written with Brocal. Is a gossipy revenge over an employee. Really now...

[@peterzinya1]

(;-D Boy oh boy, you really take this catholic stuff serious. Vatican religion court, religion lawyers ,religion trials. I thought that went out with the dark ages. Do you think any of this is gonna get you into heaven?

[@CarlosAlexandre-fl2ut]

The Church takes time, analyses and does the correct thing. This Vigano was a viper. Let's pray to Vigano.

[@virginiacharlotte7007]

I think you me ‘for’ .

[@Jimboken1]

Vigano is unimportant of himself. The only question is was Vigano correct that Pope Francis was properly informed about McCarrick before rehabilitating him?

[@virginiacharlotte7007]

@@Jimboken1 see Michael Lofton’s (Reason and Theology YT channel) analysis of all the relevant email exchanges . The receipts show that Vigano did not follow through on credible claims against McCarrick, as the Vatican requested of him. Pope Francis was not fully informed gif a long time. Then, when the do-do really started to fly about McCarrick, Vigano threw Pope Francis under the bus and Vigano has subsequently gone completely off the deep end and into schism.

[@Jimboken1]

@@virginiacharlotte7007 How do you know Pope Francis wasn't informed? Has Pope Francis ever answered the question? Pope Francis said he wouldn't comment on that flight back from Dublin all those years ago and so it has remained to my knowledge. And Michael Lofton isn't credible on anything to do with Pope Francis.

[@PostTenebrasLux1517]

"The Catholic Church's teaching on ... has undergone a significant development over time, as evidenced by the provided references." The most common answer by Magisterium AI when asking about teachings of the Catholic Church. 😀

[@isoldam]

This sounds like another Protestant drive-by. You might want to study what the Church means by 'development'.

[@gloriacarreras2261]

Vigano is an egocentric who lacks respect for the Pope. Let's all pray for his convertion.

[@GloriaMarquez-cv1by]

conversion

[@Jimboken1]

He's an odd fellow but to be fair anyone with two brain cells to rub together and a modicum of connection with the Christ within "lacks respect for" or at least mistrusts Pope Francis. A decent catholic prays for our Pope of course.

[@mikemarino705]

This clown is no pope!!!!!

[@DianeCooperTW]

Vigano was once a serious man and maybe the whole spotlight he got with the whole Benedict thing made him addicted to the fame and relevancy

[@DrexelGregory]

Vigano is a disgruntled former employee

[@TP-om8of]

With plenty to be disgruntled about!

[@oliverclark5604]

@@TP-om8of The backers/protectors of Archbishop Vigano, formerly both the Vatican state ambassador to the USA and the Pope's apostolic nuncio to the church in the USA, are those family members in diseased identities who cause by their occult as hidden, incest connected as substitute mate grooming of their psychologically and or emotionally vulnerable family members for economic advantage by tax-exemption embezzlements and lower insurance cost by fraud of their families that "the great majority of sacramental marriages are invalid". "Job's Trust", family members of valid consecrated marriages, celibate vowed to man in Christ and male female vowed to God, has been investigating them since at least 1946 on the reference point of Mary at Lk 1:29-45 and Mt 1:24.

[@ConanTheLibrarian-n5q]

Vigano ... Trump in ecclesial drag

[@TP-om8of]

I ❤️ Trump!

[@quinftbl]

Vigano was a pompous pain in the butt to the Catholic Church.

[@arnoeeuwigheid4499]

You surely mean "in the PRESENT DAY WOKE MODERNIST CATHOLIC(?) CHURCH"!!!!

[@Jimboken1]

Sounds very laudable if by "the Catholic Church" you mean the prelates as opposed to the lay faithful.

[@joeburns3420]

The SSPX is not schismatic!

[@cometblazt]

Bergoglio and his minions from hell are the ones in schism. Vigano is a real priest following the word of God.

[@ChrisSobolewski-sf8ye]

Canon. 751 Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him. How can the Supreme Pontiff be in schism with himself? Perhaps read the First Dogmatic Constitution, Vatican I, Session 4 of 18 July 1870 issued by Pope Pius IX - a valid Pope I trust?

[@cw-on-yt]

Why didn't the Dicastery for Communications remove Rupnik's artwork _on account of it being terrible?_His stuff repeatedly, consistently, and almost relentlessly, looks ugly. It looks childish and mass-produced, like unhappier versions of cartoons in cheaply-produced catechetical materials for eight-year-olds. What is it about modern prelates -- or, perhaps, the assistants, bureaucrats, and gatekeepers who make decisions in the prelates' names? -- that they exhibit such _execrable taste?_ How can they fail to be repulsed by Rupnik's style, when they have the entire prior tradition of Catholic and Byzantine art against which to compare it?

[@patrickmelling8404]

He is also accused of horrific abuse where there has been no justice. Indeed Pope Francis has rehabilitated his.

[@freddiekirschman4933]

Because the Freemasons have infiltrated the church and trying to destroy it

[@mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311]

Execrable is such a great word and ENTIRELY apt... The first sensible comment I've seen so far😏

[@jafin47]

It is reprehensible that because of the 20 or so nuns molested by Rupnik, women consecrated to God, you should repeat the papal chant, he should be cut some slack since it cannot be called child abuse. You clearly have no moral base on which to report on such serious matters.

[@dorianlelong]

I am pleased that you, Mr Crux, have revealed yourself.

[@timmoore9736]

Vigano's issue was long awaited.

[@garrymarley3305]

“Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” --- Lord Acton Who was Lord Acton? An English Catholic and lay observer at Vatican I (1870). He issued that quote to show his displeasure with the doctrine of “papal infallibility” pushed by Pope Pius IX.

[@Jimboken1]

This is nonsense. Name the last ex-cathedra decree by Pope Francis (or Benedict XVl if you come up empty handed) that is deemed infallible according to Pius lX or Vatican l.

[@rgregoryful]

Papal authority and Magisterial authority are used much more often then Papal infallibility, which has only been used a handful of times. Stop being divisive and emotional, our LORD made us a promise, do you don't him?

[@ChrisSobolewski-sf8ye]

I welcome you to read the Vatican I Dogmatic Constitution (session 4 - 18 July 1870) to better understand the definition:- " we teach and define as a divinely revealed dogma that when the Roman pontiff speaks EX CATHEDRA, that is, when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole church, he possesses, by the divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, that infallibility which the divine Redeemer willed his church to enjoy in defining doctrine concerning faith or morals. Therefore, such definitions of the Roman pontiff are of themselves, and not by the consent of the church, irreformable." Only 2 dogmas have been proclaimed ex Cathedra since 1870, truths that have been held by the one holy catholic and apostolic church since the early church - the Immaculate Conception of Mary (Pius IX - 1854) and the Assumption of Mary (Pius XII - AD1950). And Lord Acton? A Catholic lay observer? Lord Acton writes to Bishop Creighton a series of letters concerning the moral problem of writing history about the Inquisition (? Spanish Inquisition AD 1478-1834). Acton believes that the same moral standards should be applied to all men, political and religious - this is where he is quoted "power tend to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely" And Bishop Creighton (1943-1901) was British historian and a bishop of the Church of England. ?Anglican? Perhaps your have erred in conflating Lord Acton with Vatican I. Fact check.

[@elizabetamedvedeva]

Yawwwwnnnnnn not great analysis this. Had enough at 9:02, going to better Catholic commentary.

[@lawrencerockwood7623]

About time!

[@mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311]

Excellent to see the vay-cay has delivered JA brimming with even more barely contained exuberannce and relish for the roué! Really delivered con brio😏

[@monicamasso-rivetti2150]

Thank you for your reporting.

[@Chronosmaster002]

And yet Rupnik is still a functioning priest. That makes sense

[@Rita-nx6fg]

Why?

[@Chronosmaster002]

@@Rita-nx6fg *sarcasm*

[@NoName-wq9ou]

Your ignorance is Astounding! I shall include you in my prayers that the Holy Spirit will remove your blinders.

[@ChristianAulas-kv7mc]

Monsignor Vigano represents the ligts,he is our guide .🙏😊

[@cfaciara4005]

Praying Vigano will ordain many many more traditional priests ❤️

[@KnightGeneral]

Thats the same as wanting him to go to hell. Vigano is Schismatic.

[@mikaelangel76]

Those ordinations would be fake, and excomunicated.

[@arniesalanga36]

Cañ AI, artificial intelligence, deal with God's TRUTH???

[@freddiekirschman4933]

I am so sick of Francis apologists. You are all complicit in the heresy’s and destruction and decay of the Catholic Church. Wake up already. Sick of John Allen’s Francis apologetics as well. How any Catholic can stand by and not see these wolves in sheep’s clothing is beyond me

[@rgregoryful]

So you choose NOT to trust in the promise of your LORD? You choose to go against the council of Trent, Vatican 1, Pope Pious 9 and 12? Interesting choice. Obedience, not emotions, not opinions, not preference. Unless you are a protestant. Praised be JESUS.

[@sergesavard636]

@@rgregoryful No obedience to evil men..please dont give me the progressive lies your side thinks the Church should abandon everything before Vatican 2. They will go after Vigano but people like James Martin will spread his Rainbow filth, and the Church in Germany is basically in schism and you will say nothing.

[@freddiekirschman4933]

@@rgregoryful God gave me a brain and I choose not to acknowledge a pope promoting sin and heresy

[@rgregoryful]

@@freddiekirschman4933 So to be clear, you voluntarily chose trust your brain, puffed up knowledge, and emotionalism over trusting the promise of HE who created you and your brain? Sounds like you might be suffering from a case of Luther Protestantism. Should have that checked out in the confessional. Praised be JESUS.

[@ChrisSobolewski-sf8ye]

@@freddiekirschman4933 Perhaps you replaced a perfectly good brain God created you with for a Friday special! To accuse the Supreme Pontiff, appointed by a College of Cardinals, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit is a serious allegation. I trust that you can substantiate your view with solid evidence and present a case with the Church, Parish Priest, Bishop etc, rather than through social media.

[@bethschulte2730]

I too stand with Vigano!

[@christopherfeeney1962]

Hmmm I thought we were supyti stand with Christ?

[@Belladicta]

Final prophecy of St Francis

[@bthemedia]

@@christopherfeeney1962 exactly, Vigano is standing with Christ and His one holy, Catholic, and apostolic church through the history, tradition and deposit of faith

[@christopherfeeney1962]

@@bthemedia It's heroe worship. That's all it is. People all of a sudden just LUV Vigano bc he's a loudmouth. He has YET STILL to provide ANY proof that he says he has. We KNOW the Church is in crisis. We Know the Pope says really troublsome things. But to accuse the Pope of molestation?! Or to claim, for FIVE YEARS NOW, that you have "documentary evidence" of other things.... Well, then PUT THE MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS!!! OR Shut it! I used to support Vigano, but I think he's full of it. He hasn't produced a SINGLE piece of evidence and NOW he accused the Pope of molestation?!! That's a GRAVE accusation! If he has Evidence then he's morally OBLIGED to produce it. Now. Of he has none, he committed a GRAVE SIN

[@edwardbell9795]

You mean you're a sedevacantist? Even the SSPX has distanced itself from Archbishop Vigano. "He who is estranged seeks pretexts to break out against all sound judgment" (Proverbs 18: 1 RSV-CE).

[@aldomosti3695]

The imposter Bergolio, wants to obliterate the Latin Mass, and attacks it’s supporters, because it prophecies the time (now) of the wolves. Dixit Iesus discípulis suis: Atténdite a falsis prophétis, qui véniunt ad vos in vestiméntis óvium, intrínsecus autem sunt lupi (wolves)rapáces. Erit enim tempus, cum sanam doctrinam non sustinebunt, sed ad sua desideria coacervabunt sibi magistros, prurientes auribus, et a veritate quidem auditum avertent, ad fabulas (yes, fables) autem convertentur.

[@ryanchicago6028]

"Bambino Jesu" ? I think I named my pet hamster that once, but he got all conflicted on his religious affiliation. "Maybe I'll face east and shun you", he smited me with his twitchy, little, nose. At least I'll finally have something MY way.

[@adkbuck]

If Saint Paul were still alive he would be excommunicated because of his outdated views on morality and faith.

[@Rita-nx6fg]

Take a good look at what has taken up residence at the Vatican with Francis' blessings. May God help us.

[@user-yr6ow6zc6o]

Lots going on this episode, keep up the great work

[@mariac4602]

I can only assume the recent decision re: Cardinal Vigano was partly to help the faithful understand that if they continue to follow him, they risk being quite deliberately and consciously in schism with the Church. I do think that's an important position to make really clear because right now, it's a bit of a 'wild west' with some really radical groups still calling themselves Catholic while clearly acting in disobedience to the Pope and the Church. As a layperson, I appreciate the Vatican offering that clarity.

[@lylybruehl2553]

Radical? If the pope is acting more heretic, which this pope has been in numerous events...we should disobey his teaching... potential excommunicate archbishop Vigano for defending the faith to it true core yet Bergoglio protects (cover up) sexual predators such as Theodore McCarrick & Marco Rupnik. Total bs. We should pray for archbishop Vigano also pray for the conversion of Bergoglio so he can return to be the good shepherd instead of this wishy washy pope that cherry pick which of God's commandments and teachings he like to uphold. Christus Vinci 🙏✝️⛪️📿

[@patrickmelling8404]

The Vatican has been gaslighting Catholics for 60 years with very poor protestantised liturgy that is barely Catholic. My Dad called it at the time "3rd rate liturgies ruining the Mass". He was right. So who exactly is in schism? Lefevre or the Vatican?

[@patrickmelling8404]

I call BS. The modernist Mass that triggers people like Vigano has lost millions of souls, and hordes of religious. I've person's seen it leach the faith from mynl peers. However so paranoid is Rome that now it bans the genuine tradition of the church, a crime against Holy Mother Church that further diminishes its relevance.

[@Jimboken1]

Your assumptions favour the Vatican establishment. I'm sure it must be because both you and they are top notch humans, intellectually and spiritually.

[@SergioBriMa]

@@Jimboken1mariac made a nuanced comment about a possible reason for what’s going on, and you make a sarcastic snip back? Did I misread this or why did you make that comment?

[@wmonger]

I stand with Vigano.

[@christianspraying1688]

Vigano protected McCarrick the ENTIRE time Vigano was nuncio in America and had been suspended by Pope Benedict. Pope Francis removed both McCarrick and Vigano.

[@donaldshelton1720]

To bad

[@christianspraying1688]

Vigano hid McCarrick the entire time he was nuncio. Pope Francis removed McCarrick and yes Vigano.

[@Belladicta]

I'd rather be with Vigano than with a Heretic St Francis warned us about. In the end times God will send an uncanonically elected Pope to destroy the Church and lead many to death...

[@Jimboken1]

@@christianspraying1688 Care to reference any evidence for this novel theory?

[@russellking1924]

Who started the schism? What is the scope of Vigano’s opposition?

[@ProdigalSon684]

Paul VI

[@ProdigalSon684]

Viganò IMHO says The church, and the mass are no longer doing the work of Jesus. Vatican II gutted the Church by appeasing Protestants, and the Freemason in Vatican II. Our Church has been going downhill, losing members, losing religious, losing authority since VII began.

[@oliverclark5604]

The backers/protectors of Archbishop Vigano, formerly both the Vatican state ambassador to the USA and the Pope's apostolic nuncio to the church in the USA, are those family members in diseased identities who cause by their occult as hidden, incest connected as substitute mate grooming of their psychologically and or emotionally vulnerable family members for economic advantage by tax-exemption embezzlements and lower insurance cost by fraud of their families that "the great majority of sacramental marriages are invalid". "Job's Trust", family members of valid consecrated marriages, celibate vowed to man in Christ and male female vowed to God, has been investigating them since at least 1946 on the reference point of Mary at Lk 1:29-45 and Mt 1:24.

[@mikaelangel76]

Marcel Lefebvre

[@KnightGeneral]

Pope Francis is very patient with Vigano thats why it took years for this to happen. The Pope want him to change his ways but he doesnt want to. Vigano is the 21st Century Martin Luther.

[@mois5570]

Best joke ever. Francis patient? Look at his book, Il succesore or El sucesor, written with Brocal. Is a gossipy revenge over an employee. Really now...

[@galaxyn3214]

"Viganò? More like VigaNO!" - Francis