Archeological Evidence for the Bible that won't be published in your Lifetime

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Logan Jones

Logan Jones

4 жыл бұрын

Learn about the archeological evidence for the Bible that hasn't been published, and probably won't be for the next 10,000 years. Similar to what Frank Turek, William Lane Craig, Josh McDowell, Ravi Zachariad, and Lee Strobel do, this apologetics channel seeks to give the evidence that God exists, and that Christianity is true.
In my previous video, • Archaeological Discove...
I showed the archeological evidence for the reliability of the Gospels.
In this video, I specifically look at the Oxyrhynchus Papyri, which are a collection of papyri that still remain largely untranslated. This archeological discovery is concerned with one of the most important archeological discoveries in history.
In this channel, I want to help people find an answer to the question "Does God exist?" I specifically plan to focus on the reliability of the Gospels, the evidence for the Resurrection, and the authorship of Paul's epistles. I'm also interested in the evidence for God outside of the Bible.

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@Foodforyoursoul022
@Foodforyoursoul022 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t worry about what has been hidden from us by others in regard to the written scriptures. Jesus said that to the Pharisees that they searched them for salvation. The scriptures have told us the Holy Spirit is our teacher. No matter what has been hidden trust that the SPIRIT can reveal it. Be blessed ❤️
@deannalindsey7888
@deannalindsey7888 5 ай бұрын
Yes, Jesus is the Word, the Living Word. Jesus lives in us through the HolySpirit to be our Comfortor, our guide, our teacher who chasens and corrects us and convicts us of our sins. Jesus will never leave us nor forsake us. We must keep our eyes on Jesus! All Glory goes to Jesus Christ The Lord! JESUS IS WORTHY TO BE PRAISED!
@hans9894
@hans9894 5 ай бұрын
you'r clearly not aware about the outcomes of the studies of Ehrmann and other scholars that investigate scripture fragments.
@DookyButter
@DookyButter 5 ай бұрын
I don’t take anyone as worried. I take it as more excitement. Why shouldn’t we be excited to learn more about the Man who laid down His life for us?
@jarrettonions3392
@jarrettonions3392 5 ай бұрын
Absolutely. So many are more concerned with the so called removed books while neglecting to study what we have, which is everything we need. Is God Almighty not powerful to preserve all that is needed for those who seek? Some of the early believers had access to only one or a couple letters. And even this was enough. All we need is Jesus. If you know the gospel, the real gospel, for us, the gentiles, today: 1 Corinthians 15: 1-4. Four verses and youre good. The word says the stories of what He did would fill the whole world if they were written down..but God has preserved everything we need, in the shortest, simplest, but fully comprehensive, means possible.
@EdtheTraveler
@EdtheTraveler 5 ай бұрын
@@hans9894, many scholars disagree with Bart for good reason. Try finding out why Bart is refuted it might enlighten you.
@Ron-SA
@Ron-SA Жыл бұрын
I just got goosebumps...remember the scripture that mentions that If all the miracles that Jesus did were recorded, all the books in the world wouldn't be able to hold or contain them..John 21:25 "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen." ... I always thought that was just an exaggeration. It wasnt. It wasnt just empty words!Watching this and discovering that only a small fraction has been translated into book just blew my mind. God is so amazing. His scriptures are TRUE!
@ichitoburrito1359
@ichitoburrito1359 Жыл бұрын
There were also books taken out of the 1611 King James Bible in the 1800s which should still be included. So called scholars got rid of the Apocrypha, even though several books in the Apocrypha were quoted by Jesus or His disciples and they wouldn't quote anything that wasn't God's word. The Book of Adam and Eve blew my mind and made me see everything in a new light, adding context to the struggles of Adam and Eve after leaving the garden. The book of Enoch also holds a lot of information valuable to followers of Christ. Test EVERYTHING using the scriptures. May the Holy Spirit lead us all to the truth. God bless.
@albertgallegos9938
@albertgallegos9938 5 ай бұрын
The Dead Sea Scrolls, also called the Qumran Caves Scrolls, are a set of ancient Jewish manuscripts from the Second Temple period. They were discovered over a period of 10 years, between 1946 and 1956, at the Qumran Caves near Ein Feshkha in the West Bank, on the northern shore of the Dead Sea. Dating from the 3rd century BCE to the 1st century CE,[1] the Dead Sea Scrolls are considered to be a keystone in the history of archaeology with great historical, religious, and linguistic significance because they include the oldest surviving manuscripts of entire books later included in the biblical canons, along with extra-biblical and deuterocanonical manuscripts that preserve evidence of the diversity of religious thought in late Second Temple Judaism. At the same time, they cast new light on the emergence of Christianity and of Rabbinic Judaism. [2] Almost all of the 15,000 scrolls and scroll fragments are held in the Shrine of the Book at the Israel Museum, located in the city of Jerusalem. The Israeli government's custody of the Dead Sea Scrolls is disputed by Jordan and the Palestinian Authority on territorial, legal, and humanitarian grounds - they were mostly discovered following the Jordanian annexation of the West Bank and were acquired by Israel after Jordan lost the 1967 Arab-Israeli War[3] - whilst Israel's claims are primarily based
@Chris_Sheridan
@Chris_Sheridan 5 ай бұрын
@@ichitoburrito1359 .. only the already accepted 66 books of the Bible canon have been authenticated as inspired scriptures. The current Bible is complete. Christians have all the information to hand and are complying with what is written. There is no book of Adam and Eve, no book of Enoch and no book of Thomas or any such rubbish! The King James version has so many errors it is unreliable - King James wasn't even a Christian - he had some texts changed to suit his political advantage and these have been redacted on numerous editions.
@sorenpx
@sorenpx 5 ай бұрын
@ichitoburrito1359 Can you point me to these quotes of the Apocrypha in the NT?
@Chris_Sheridan
@Chris_Sheridan 5 ай бұрын
@@sorenpx .. why would Apocryphal writings (distortions) appear in the bible? Those writings have been established as being unreliable and not compatible with scripture that makes up the genuine 66 inspired books of the Bible canon.
@ecuador9911
@ecuador9911 Жыл бұрын
Yes, this is a great discovery. No, we don’t have everything that was ever written about Jesus and the early church, but God made sure we have enough to get us HOME! We may not have everything we WANT, but we have everything we NEED.
@mosriteminioncause7741
@mosriteminioncause7741 5 ай бұрын
You are right on target...How many people from scholars to comon people have read The Holy Testiments (Bible) of God/Jesus and missed the point and saw just a book? As Paul says in Ephesians 2 vs 8 "For by Grace you have been saved through Faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,"
@michaelcarmean4906
@michaelcarmean4906 5 ай бұрын
Yes 🙏 We Do Have It… Soon The Truth Will Be Told Luke 12:2-3
@stevehollis9121
@stevehollis9121 5 ай бұрын
Absolutely correct God has the whole world in his hands.
@jeffhenderson5140
@jeffhenderson5140 5 ай бұрын
Precisely my thoughts on the matter. God is capable of preserving His message to us and He has done so. Praise be to God!
@zitternden
@zitternden 5 ай бұрын
My thoughts exactly.
@bubamarac1
@bubamarac1 3 жыл бұрын
Do not worry. God provided just enough for every generation. If it is His wish, we will discover more.
@scottcampbell1635
@scottcampbell1635 3 жыл бұрын
I really love this! Our scientific progress is made at exactly the pace God set. Have patience, archaeologist, as the Lord has had on us. Peace and blessings
@Servant_of_Yeshua96
@Servant_of_Yeshua96 2 жыл бұрын
Amen!!!! People need to chill. I keep saying what God told us to people who question or come up with the world’s views. I tell them if they open the Bible and ask God to show Himself to them with all their heart, He will show them the Truth.
@nargesalove228
@nargesalove228 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t believe the Bible is true. We didn’t see Jesus or his miracles.
@bubamarac1
@bubamarac1 2 жыл бұрын
@@nargesalove228 Dead See scrolls (OT) are dated to 200 BC, and yet his birth, life, death and resurrection are given in such a great details, that no one should have an excuse not to believe. The problem is ignorance and a lack of desire for the Truth.
@nargesalove228
@nargesalove228 2 жыл бұрын
@@bubamarac1 we can’t trust the scrolls because the scholars could have translated however they wanted. People wrote fiction all the time. Look at Greek Methodology, everything is written in detail as well.
@practicepatch3506
@practicepatch3506 Жыл бұрын
Great video - thank you. I personally find the background music too loud & distracting.
@crackerbarrel6965
@crackerbarrel6965 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for publishing what won’t be published in my lifetime.
@guitareMTL
@guitareMTL 5 ай бұрын
😂
@bamremix8235
@bamremix8235 3 жыл бұрын
You should atleast mention the sources from which you have taken the info
@lindad.kaufman3070
@lindad.kaufman3070 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Logan! A friend shared your KZbin video and I just watched it this afternoon. I have never heard of these manuscripts and I find all you shared fascinating! Wouldn't it be fun to go on an archeological dig and discovering manuscripts. It would be so neat to study, learn, and have the skills to interpret these discovered manuscripts. Thanks for sharing! Linda
@loganpeterjones
@loganpeterjones 3 жыл бұрын
Wow I’m so glad you liked it! And yeah, that would be such a fun occupation to have!
@thacustomer7342
@thacustomer7342 11 ай бұрын
​@@loganpeterjonesThe Bible says heaven and earth shall pass away but My Word shall never pass away. That is only one of the many promises God made us concerning His words. I will continue to believe God and take Him at His word.
@username00009
@username00009 5 ай бұрын
@@loganpeterjonesLogan, what do you think about making videos where you interview people in the field to learn what it would take to make a career out of translating these ancient texts?
@daytonagreg8765
@daytonagreg8765 2 ай бұрын
@@username00009 EXCELLENT idea. Even using Skype.
@emtee5232
@emtee5232 3 жыл бұрын
May The Grace of God,The Love of Jesus Christ and The Fellowship of The Holy Spirit be with you!!
@bobwilkinson2008
@bobwilkinson2008 5 ай бұрын
LOL
@user-jw9lq5ib6g
@user-jw9lq5ib6g 5 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣 good one.. which comedy tour are you on ?
@bobwilkinson2008
@bobwilkinson2008 5 ай бұрын
@@user-jw9lq5ib6g Reality tour. Any evidence for god? As for this clip, an alleged archaeologist trying to twist evidence to fit the bible. LOL
@user-jw9lq5ib6g
@user-jw9lq5ib6g 5 ай бұрын
@@bobwilkinson2008 ..the man-made-bable-book.. written to control, to brainwash.. and.. lo and behold.. push for donations to the dopes in robes.. i have as much evidence of Thor and The Cookie Monster, and their existence, as these churchCult-woke-blokes have to their myth creatures.. which is... nada / zero / none.. but, hey.. i have a book about Thor, soooo... must be real...🤣🤣🤣 ignorance is truly bliss... also, as Mark Twain said.. - 'Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool.'
@pita3451
@pita3451 4 жыл бұрын
So great! I love how accessible but also in depth your channel is
@loganpeterjones
@loganpeterjones 4 жыл бұрын
Lawrence Jones Thanks so much!
@Jack-hu2do
@Jack-hu2do 5 ай бұрын
Logan, at the beginning of your video you state that "there is a mountain of archaeological evidence that supports the Bible and yet it has never been published, translated, or made available to the public to view." It is surprising that so much of this material has not yet been translated and made available. But we cannot know whether this evidence supports the Bible until it has been translated and published.
@thepotbellyninja
@thepotbellyninja 5 ай бұрын
bingo!
@wilhelmvonn9619
@wilhelmvonn9619 5 ай бұрын
Excellent point.
@anthonypolonkay2681
@anthonypolonkay2681 5 ай бұрын
Perhaps it isn't the best wording he used. But if roughly half of our oldest manuscripts have come from the small percentage that already has been translated, then it is extremely likly that the mountain if stuff that hasn't been touched yet will contain yet much more biblical manuscrip evidence. Because the odds that we have already pieced through all the biblical manuscript evidence therein just by happenstance is an absurd conclusion to draw.
@IamGrimalkin
@IamGrimalkin 5 ай бұрын
​@@anthonypolonkay2681 His point is, we don't know if sny of these manuscipts will contradict the bible. It seems to me very unlikely that they will, but that's because of the existing evidence we already have about the bible. Unknown, unpublished manuscipts do not add to that.
@fasnuf
@fasnuf 5 ай бұрын
He said only 1% has gone through that supports a good percentage of the bible (40%?). Surely the rest of the Bible as we know it is in there and probably a bunch of stuff that isn't including some regular trash like the letter to the husband.. That was what he was saying..
@frankfowlkes7872
@frankfowlkes7872 5 ай бұрын
Interesting that Bart Ehrman responded to your inquiry. I do think he has an axe to grind with Christianity but he is also very knowledgeable. I too would like to know what these lost writings have to say but keep in mind that we already have countless ancient documents that relate to sayings of Jesus and the experiences of Paul, Peter and the Apostles. Many of these were accepted by different Christian communities as reliable in the early centuries after the death of Christ. Several were very close to becoming part of the Canon but for various reasons the early Church considered them either forgeries or false doctrines and not suitable for our current Bible. I have enjoyed reading several of these ( especially the Apocalypse of Peter & 1st Clement) but as a Christian I guess we have to accept the fact that if we were supposed to have these in the Bible they would be there! Still many are good reads and every bit as relevant as as works by current Christian scholars and leaders. Billy Graham is not considered "Gospel" but still worthwhile to read.
@frankfowlkes7872
@frankfowlkes7872 5 ай бұрын
@@jennatolls9846 We do. If you believe the scriptures are inspired by God then you need to also accept that like the individuals who wrote the scriptures those who made these decisions were also inspired. If no decision had been made we would have countless different letters out there and no one agreeing on which ones were truly inspired. If you don't believe the scriptures we have were inspired then you are likely not a Christian and it should not matter to you.
@lloydmunga4961
@lloydmunga4961 Жыл бұрын
I don't think they've finished translating the dead sea scrolls yet either . They still have a ways to go and I don't think they will be releasing everything for certain reasons
@cybernoid001
@cybernoid001 Жыл бұрын
This is one of the things that AI would be helpful in, getting a dozen people to scan them all into a database and have AI do rough translations on them. And then have them confirmed by the experts. But even if not, it would be good to have them scanned and made publicly available for review by the general public and a collectives of people can work to translate them.
@fasnuf
@fasnuf 5 ай бұрын
Good idea, There doesn't have to be super experts only to translate. There are many people that can do the work and willing to do it as a ministry.
@josephfoto6229
@josephfoto6229 5 ай бұрын
My concern is we have the Truth. The Holy Spirit reveals CHRIST TO US! He lives and transforms lives today; I don’t believe anymore is needed even though we who love Jesus would enjoy reading them. Better we read the words that the Father decided was enough!! Great work and keep posting for those who are curious and don’t know Him!
@daytonagreg8765
@daytonagreg8765 2 ай бұрын
But with the already exposed political bias of some of the more "sophisticated" engines, only God knows how it would be translated. Would be a nice way to identify potential gold.
@generaldurandal3568
@generaldurandal3568 5 ай бұрын
Glory, Honor, blessings, thanks and praise to the Lord my God, for healing my heart during a heart attack! On March 26th 2022, just past midnight, I was laying restless in bed, and I had a heart attack. My arms and legs became tingly and numb, then my chest got tighter, and then my heart felt like it was being crushed. So I sang out to God and Jesus, about my pain, my feelings, my faults and my inabilities. As I sang, I began to feel like a river, and a hand was on my back, it's fingers where skimming the surface, separating the waters, causing ripples through my body. Then the hand reached inside my chest, lit my heart on fire, and the heat moved like waves through my body. When I was done singing, all the pain was gone, and I looked at the clock, it was past 1am, I had been singing near an hour. Then the voice of my guardian angel called my name from above, and there was a hymn of energy in the air, the same hymn I hear in my dreams of God. Hallelujah to the Lord my God for healing my heart! Hallelujah for His son Jesus for saving my soul! Hallelujah for every day! Hallelujah for every breath! The Lord is Faithful and true! May the Lord Bless your hearts, so that you have the will and strength to turn from selfish sins, and flee from the slaveries of the flesh!
@isahunnybee
@isahunnybee 4 ай бұрын
Just subscribed. Loved what you said and want to know much more 😊
@TrixiesSourToesYT
@TrixiesSourToesYT 3 жыл бұрын
love this vid! I absolutely love it! I hope your video blows up !!! love it ! nice job Logan!!!!
@loganpeterjones
@loganpeterjones 3 жыл бұрын
Wow! Thank you so much!!!!
@ghokiyeaomi7357
@ghokiyeaomi7357 3 жыл бұрын
Sir you did a great research! Well done for your workout to show the truth to the world! May wisdom of God always be upon you.
@audioartisan
@audioartisan 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for providing this information. ...Hoping to learn more about this ...Subscribed :)
@matttaylor2955
@matttaylor2955 5 ай бұрын
Great video, very interesting to hear about the work that is yet to be done on these manuscripts. I would recommend dropping the background music, its exhausting to listen to that and follow what you're saying at the same time.
@davecam5944
@davecam5944 5 ай бұрын
I found this video very interesting. However, I did think the background music was distracting, irritating, and unnecessary.
@YeshuaKingMessiah
@YeshuaKingMessiah 5 ай бұрын
Not me I loved it
@brucejane7395
@brucejane7395 5 ай бұрын
Good information. Well stated. The music makes it hard to hear. What language was used to write these letters?
@YeshuaKingMessiah
@YeshuaKingMessiah 5 ай бұрын
Music is very inspiring
@jackiefazio4544
@jackiefazio4544 Жыл бұрын
This is astonishing!! I love this!! Thank you for being obedient in giving awareness to such vital understandings. Many Blessings to you.
@jonathanfoutz8931
@jonathanfoutz8931 5 ай бұрын
The Bible is complete. We don’t need to add anything , but I am super interested to see what else is there.
@youflatscreentube
@youflatscreentube 5 ай бұрын
The Bible writers have quoted other text. Would be great to get even older transcripts. Also, it would be very interesting to read personal accounts of life from where lost countless documents.
@lucylane7397
@lucylane7397 5 ай бұрын
Complete nonsense
@YeshuaKingMessiah
@YeshuaKingMessiah 5 ай бұрын
1611 KJV had the Apocrypha in it, worked into the OT, not just added on in back either So many words have been taken away
@ASquareNarwal
@ASquareNarwal 5 ай бұрын
The Bible has been twisted and manipulated by the Catholic church for hundreds of years, our Bible is very incomplete because the church hid so much from us.
@inhisarms7775
@inhisarms7775 3 жыл бұрын
Dude I love this channel. All glory to God
@loganpeterjones
@loganpeterjones 3 жыл бұрын
Idk Nemore Thanks so much!
@hopefaith7076
@hopefaith7076 4 жыл бұрын
Great video Logan!!!
@loganpeterjones
@loganpeterjones 4 жыл бұрын
Hope Faith Thanks so much!
@LawrenceKennard
@LawrenceKennard 5 ай бұрын
You earned a sub here this is great stuff❤
@richard1835
@richard1835 5 ай бұрын
The Just shall live by Faith. I already know there exists mountains of evidence backing up the Holy Scriptures but my life will not be defined by a search for it since my faith alone in the death,burial,and resurrection of Jesus Christ justifies me before God, Everything is written in the Bible to strengthen our faith and give us hope for the future. Thank you brother Logan for a great video and I hope it brings many to the feet of our Savior.
@berememberedfortheloveyoug244
@berememberedfortheloveyoug244 Жыл бұрын
Glory to God. Thank you. As I listen this I remember at the end of Apostle John Gospel, it says that there are many things that JESUS did that if they were to be written, there will not be enough books in the world to contain them.
@kamarudinhj.dolmoin8578
@kamarudinhj.dolmoin8578 Жыл бұрын
The absolute truth is never ever afraid.. And do not stop at Paul.
@yeetusmemeus
@yeetusmemeus 5 ай бұрын
I smell a muslim liar
@garrischutte7943
@garrischutte7943 Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love this. Thank you so much.
@warrenrosenthal716
@warrenrosenthal716 5 ай бұрын
0:10 Hi Logan would you have anymore details on the example you referenced of Jesus having a confrontation with the Pharisees and the temple
@diegocanoigraphicdesigner3228
@diegocanoigraphicdesigner3228 4 жыл бұрын
Great channel sir!
@frankly.speaking
@frankly.speaking Жыл бұрын
You were convincing and passionate....thank you young man
@pathofprophecy
@pathofprophecy Жыл бұрын
Thank you Logan for your video! I learned something new, the unpublished manuscripts numbers around 500,000!!! That's amazing.
@Nonreligeousthiestic
@Nonreligeousthiestic Жыл бұрын
I didn't know about these, thanks.
@memastarful
@memastarful 3 жыл бұрын
Awsome little bro!!!
@vilecypher
@vilecypher 2 жыл бұрын
Where did you find these information about those unpublished materials?
@loganpeterjones
@loganpeterjones 2 жыл бұрын
I wish I had posted the specific articles about it that I used when researching for this video. But if you Google, Oxyrhynchus Papyri, you’ll be able to find a lot of material about it. There is also a lot of information about it on Wikipedia.
@dr.graves5541
@dr.graves5541 5 ай бұрын
​@@loganpeterjones So you got your knowledge of unpublished information on a publication. Good to know.
@orandegellogaming4793
@orandegellogaming4793 5 ай бұрын
@@dr.graves5541there’s a difference between rabbit hole discovery and broadcasted information that helps our case yet, even though important, is not being announced
@YeshuaKingMessiah
@YeshuaKingMessiah 5 ай бұрын
@@dr.graves5541where else would he get it? An oracle?
@jimwilliams3517
@jimwilliams3517 5 ай бұрын
Thank you Logan. (new sub) Has this been updated?
@revv45acp71
@revv45acp71 5 ай бұрын
Well done. I subscribed. By the way, your final quote from Bart is one of the only true statements he ever made.
@YeshuaKingMessiah
@YeshuaKingMessiah 5 ай бұрын
Why even listen to that guy!
@dadsonworldwide3238
@dadsonworldwide3238 3 жыл бұрын
Over 25 k discoverys. Dna is finding short time line back to common ancestors which is mind boggling.
@bluefaery1865
@bluefaery1865 2 жыл бұрын
Of course not. They can't risk the people knowing the Bible is true.
@joyceclair3986
@joyceclair3986 2 жыл бұрын
Or they can't risk people finding out the bible is a joke. most likely plagiarized from pagan myths
@bobwilkinson2008
@bobwilkinson2008 5 ай бұрын
LOL. Sure the bible is accurate, when thrown at close range.
@Hambone3773
@Hambone3773 5 ай бұрын
The desire to know what is missing is a powerful motivation. I think it's exciting that AI and super computers should speed up the identification and translation process. Especially on scrolls too delucate or damaged to unfold.
@grawlixghost5766
@grawlixghost5766 5 ай бұрын
one question, how do you know that translated text and soon-to-be-translated text are reliable source of history?
@joevanderscott42
@joevanderscott42 4 жыл бұрын
Intriguing
@winniecash1654
@winniecash1654 Жыл бұрын
I enjoy the content of this video, but must the music be playing in the background? I have tinnitus and hearing problems and am straining to hear what's being said.
@loganpeterjones
@loganpeterjones Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. In my latest videos, I haven’t been using any music so that people can hear the video more easily
@YeshuaKingMessiah
@YeshuaKingMessiah 5 ай бұрын
I have to n I found the music very well timed with his story and uplifting
@theodoreyoung7946
@theodoreyoung7946 5 ай бұрын
You mean to tell me that, with all of the technology we have today, no one can create a progrm for a computer to analyze, and decipher, and print out any of the remaining??
@colmwhateveryoulike3240
@colmwhateveryoulike3240 5 ай бұрын
I'd be interested to know the details of story of the altercation at the Temple?
@kuantumphoenix
@kuantumphoenix 2 жыл бұрын
This sounds like something AI would be good at especially if we have a lot of data to use to do training.
@loganpeterjones
@loganpeterjones 2 жыл бұрын
If you’re interested in how AI has been used in decoding ancient manuscripts, check out my video, “How advanced technology has finally deciphered the Dead Sea scrolls.”
@__.Sara.__
@__.Sara.__ 3 жыл бұрын
I've never heard this before! There is more out there than I knew.
@loganpeterjones
@loganpeterjones 3 жыл бұрын
I’m glad ya liked it!!! I too was really shocked when I found all this out
@davidburroughs2244
@davidburroughs2244 2 жыл бұрын
The Oxyrhynchus Papyri are a group consisting of bits that have fallen apart and have to be carefully put together like the pieces of a puzzle. Wiki is a good place to start to see what has been put back together so far. The footnotes can link any to the current progress in this painstaking work. No secrets here. Yet. Maybe.
@jgr7487
@jgr7487 5 ай бұрын
Will we ever find the original Gallic Wars? The only exemplary of the book that tells the story of Ceasar's conquest of Gaul is 1 copy that was found in Charlemagne's library. The distance between the original & the copy we have is almost 1,000 years.
@Ressiloveyouruglymug
@Ressiloveyouruglymug 3 жыл бұрын
We already have access, either on full or in part, to 31 additional gospels, with various inconsistencies or controversies associated with all of them. The Gospels that were chosen for the version of the Bible that was handed down to us today, were the ones that all matched the closest in terms of dogma and tradition. So if another gospel did come about due to this, they also would likely end up as apocryphal, and not considered canon by the majority of the Christian population.
@Victoriathebookworm91
@Victoriathebookworm91 2 жыл бұрын
This is not true at all. Where do you get your facts from ? The Bible is the most historically accurate and reliable text and athiest scientist and historians can confirm this. The books excluddd from the Bible did not show consistent reliability as the books In the Bible today
@Ressiloveyouruglymug
@Ressiloveyouruglymug 2 жыл бұрын
@@Victoriathebookworm91 from studying the history of the document
@Ressiloveyouruglymug
@Ressiloveyouruglymug 2 жыл бұрын
@@Victoriathebookworm91 also to say that the Bible is the most historically accurate and reliable text... Is kind of a strawman argument. Like we don't know the actual authors of the gospels, but we know the actual authors of the declaration of Independence, or mein Kampf, or Romeo and Juliet, or the Communist manifesto etc. So what actually determines accuracy and reliability? We know that Paul only wrote six of the books attributed to him. Doesn't that call the accuracy and reliability of the biblical text into question? Or what about more hyperbolic books like The book of Revelation? Scholars know what the book of Revelation is about, but if you listen to most Christians, talk about the book of Revelation, they believe that it's about things that have yet to come, that it's some kind of prophecy, and that is factually untrue. So even the interpretations of the book are inaccurate and unreliable. So please define for me, what would you consider accurate and reliable?
@dr.graves5541
@dr.graves5541 5 ай бұрын
​@@RessiloveyouruglymugTalking to the wind dude. These people have no idea what is in the bible because they can't be bothered to read it. They just sit around and tell each other what they imagine is in the book, and the people listening, can't bother to confirm, they just shake their heads in agreement, and yell "Trump Ya!" The tops of their heads would sink in if they ever learned what actually is written within.
@through-faith-alone
@through-faith-alone 5 ай бұрын
nobody cares about the "Christian" population's opinion at this point most of them believe in various heresies and all the churches are divided and have different dogma to each other so they hardly agree on anything, not even on Jesus Christ. if they can't come together to add a lost book to the canon like before then they (the clergy) are useless and they will be done away with mark my words.
@Christian_Maoist.
@Christian_Maoist. 3 жыл бұрын
Do you know what's the name of the manuscript that has Jesus having a confrontation? I wanna read it!
@loganpeterjones
@loganpeterjones 3 жыл бұрын
it’s called Oxyrhynchus 840, and it’s very fragmentary. So it picks up and cuts off in the middle of the story. Here is a link to it. www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/poxy840.html
@Christian_Maoist.
@Christian_Maoist. 3 жыл бұрын
@@loganpeterjones thank you so much!
@SEnricoPIndiogine
@SEnricoPIndiogine 2 жыл бұрын
Is this different from the Egerton Gospel?
@loganpeterjones
@loganpeterjones 2 жыл бұрын
@@SEnricoPIndiogine Yes, it is different
@SEnricoPIndiogine
@SEnricoPIndiogine 2 жыл бұрын
@@loganpeterjones thanks for the clarification and also thanks for the link. Interesting story. It reminds me of a hadith where the prophet instructs about clean and unclean water. I wonder if Oxy-840 is the source of this hadith.
@dannystaton5386
@dannystaton5386 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting 👌
@bonniefrench9884
@bonniefrench9884 5 ай бұрын
Very disappointed you didn't share the info about the confrontation !
@zr7699
@zr7699 3 жыл бұрын
I've only watched 30 secs and I love it. More should be said about this. Imagine what Arabs over the last few millennia might have found in the deserts of the far east only to destroy the artifacts that go against islam
@HeroQuestFans
@HeroQuestFans 2 жыл бұрын
it's not quite that bad, Islam has only been around since the 7th century (622 is the beginning of their calendar), and you're assuming they knew what the documents said in order to think they were "heretical" and destroy them. and 1,399 years, while a long time to us, is not "a few millennium." Arab Christians would have preserved texts just as Christians of other ethnicity and languages of the time. the idea of people destroying texts on purpose to suppress them is certainly scary, but just as we shouldn't promote the false history of say the Great Library of Alexandria, we also shouldn't promote conspiracies about mass text destruction of "the Arabs" (although it is historical fact that during the time of Uthman, variations of the Quran were destroyed, though traces of material from before that time still survive).
@zr7699
@zr7699 2 жыл бұрын
@@HeroQuestFans so not so conspiratorial after all. U are foolish to think this hasn’t happened. And a great many people in that area speak Arabic, the same ancient language many ancient texts are written in. Though u do have a point about the length of time Islam has been around, but from the very start of Christianity there has been zealous anti Christians !
@allingtonmarakan6639
@allingtonmarakan6639 2 жыл бұрын
@@zr7699 And zealous christ stains who killed anyone and everyone in their way, including Hypatia of Alexandria. Much of Northern Europe was converted to the zombie rabbi death cult at the tip of a sword or spear and may populations were slaughtered if they refused to convert. Kings or chieftains were coerced or bribed into converting and, if they refused, were usually assassinated and the nearest obliging relative took their place. The Christ-stain cult is just steeped in the blood of innocents and you should be ashamed to continue believing in such errant nonsense. PS. It is thanks to the Arabs/muslims and their preservation of many of the teachings of the ancients, (which suffered wholesale destruction under Christ-stain rule in the West), that we know so much of what our ancestors wrote in classical times.
@billcook4768
@billcook4768 Жыл бұрын
Lol. You do realize that Muslims revere the Hebrew Scriptures and Jesus. What do you think they could find that would need to be destroyed? A quote from Jesus saying that “ in 700 there will be a profit calling himself Mohammed. Ignore him.”
@barnowl.
@barnowl. Жыл бұрын
It was Jesus (not Christ ) who overshadowed Mohammed for him to write the Koran. Many of the teachings in both the new Testament and the Koran are similar.(Christ took over the body of Jesus to do his three year mission on Earth.)
@stephenwhitehead21
@stephenwhitehead21 5 ай бұрын
why the background music? Very annoying!
@mosriteminioncause7741
@mosriteminioncause7741 5 ай бұрын
It is great there is still physical supporting evidence still out there...but how many Christians are really dedicated reading scripture that is already there? I would challange Christians to read Hebrews 11 vs. 1-6 when it comes to our faith and this topic.
@username00009
@username00009 5 ай бұрын
Mike Winger sums this up sometimes by referring to the questioner having a “heart issue” rather than a lack of evidence.
@cliffordbaxter1992
@cliffordbaxter1992 5 ай бұрын
A very good Presentation and I look forward to more ✝️🇺🇸🙂
@mikeh8452
@mikeh8452 4 жыл бұрын
AWESEOME
@loganpeterjones
@loganpeterjones 4 жыл бұрын
Michael Hallman oh wow
@vivliforia2262
@vivliforia2262 3 жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work. 👍 God bless you in the name of Jesus Christ.
@Whatapickleiamin
@Whatapickleiamin 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant work
@IvanGarcia-cx5jm
@IvanGarcia-cx5jm 5 ай бұрын
Hopefully this video encourages people to pursue graduate studies in this area to accelerate the translation of the manuscripts.
@TheZenGarden_
@TheZenGarden_ 3 жыл бұрын
Hosea 13 4 Yet I Am the YHWH thy Elohiym from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but Me: *for there is NO saviour beside Me.*
@barnowl.
@barnowl. Жыл бұрын
The Old Testament god of the Jews was a demi-god named Jehovah, NOT the God Jesus Christ taught about in the New Testament.
@TheZenGarden_
@TheZenGarden_ Жыл бұрын
@@barnowl. 😂 You are incorrect, first of all, "jews" are neither Shemitic or Hebrew people, they just practice a man made religion like the christians and muslims do. And the word "jehovah" does not even exist in the original text, just lying fabrications created by the vatican to manipulate and deceive ignorant people like you into believing a false European hippie on a stick, you call jesus. Exodus 4 22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith YHWH, *Yisra'eyl (Deut.**28:15**-68) is My son, even My Firstborn:* Btw; Your pagan European religion exsist because the vatican fabricated it from the Tanakh, yet you find fault with the original source, and you see nothing wrong with your "new testament" religion?? 🙄 Your logic is completely flawed christian!
@ariah5093
@ariah5093 Жыл бұрын
Bruh, I would gladly dedicate my life to this research is these professionals would teach me.
@williambrewer
@williambrewer 9 ай бұрын
Good job bro!
@daytonagreg8765
@daytonagreg8765 2 ай бұрын
I hope that these outstanding Papyri are, at the very least, digitally scanned and made public so that those with the desire can attempt to translate them. I suspect there is more coming that will be revealed from 1st Century scholars. And thank you for this, as I did not know there was the "potential" for a great deal more to be revealed. But I am not surprised.
@bellajean7691
@bellajean7691 4 жыл бұрын
Wow. I feel more knowledgeable already
@buffsoldierofchrist5907
@buffsoldierofchrist5907 3 жыл бұрын
awesome video man! What i wonder more is dont you think if God wanted those "lost scriptures" to be in the bible it would have? you know what i am saying? dont get me wrong i think this is amazing news but there must be a reason why God allowed for some stories or books to be out of our bible today. anyways good job keep up the good work
@HeroQuestFans
@HeroQuestFans 2 жыл бұрын
if the texts were found and translated, that wouldn't thwart God's will, would it? it's fair enough to say God's permissive will allowed them to be lost and God providentially preserved "his word" in the texts we do have and the Tradition of the Church (even Protestants can agree with this to an extent). but that doesn't stop us from re-discovering ancient evidence that can clarify things, I think we should definitely try to do this
@ryanunruh2683
@ryanunruh2683 5 ай бұрын
Great video! Weighty, implicative subject matter to be dealing with at such a young age. Godspeed your journey to becoming a prolific papyricist! Perhaps I'll try to talk my 19yr old daughter into this career path. Im a bit old for it myself (50) , but maybe id still have time to get the education, and translate a few square inches of fragment, before I lay down in the dust with a groan
@SoggyLoafChannel
@SoggyLoafChannel 3 жыл бұрын
Nice!!
@dharmadefender3932
@dharmadefender3932 2 жыл бұрын
Research that NOBODY knows about except a Christian apologetics channel.
@loganpeterjones
@loganpeterjones 2 жыл бұрын
Actually, as I showed in the video, all biblical scholars do know about it.
@dharmadefender3932
@dharmadefender3932 2 жыл бұрын
@@loganpeterjones Then the consensus of Biblical scholars would agree with you. They do not
@loganpeterjones
@loganpeterjones 2 жыл бұрын
@@dharmadefender3932 The consensus of scholars actually does agree with me on the info of this video, which is why in the video I use Bart Ehrman (a well known agnostic Bible scholar) as one of my sources of info. All scholars know about the existence of the oxyrhynchus papyri.
@dharmadefender3932
@dharmadefender3932 2 жыл бұрын
@@loganpeterjones Bart Ehrman? He's not an Old Testament scholar. One papyrus is not evidence of the Bible. Sorry.
@loganpeterjones
@loganpeterjones 2 жыл бұрын
@@dharmadefender3932 No, he’s a New Testament scholar. I’m sorry, I’m not following your argument? This video is talking about New Testament manuscripts, not Old Testament. Also, what do you mean by one manuscript? There are literally thousands of manuscripts in the oxyrhynchus papyri
@keepthefeather8181
@keepthefeather8181 2 жыл бұрын
You dont need a book to give you the meaning of life people. Us humans create our own meaning, we give value to life.
@loganpeterjones
@loganpeterjones 2 жыл бұрын
Nope. That would only lead to subjective meaning. I’d rather know what my objective purpose is than create my own purpose and turn out to be mistaken
@williamschlumpf1025
@williamschlumpf1025 5 ай бұрын
Very interesting. Scanning the manuscripts and processing with AI will accelerate the translation and compilation process.
@justinlovesjesus
@justinlovesjesus 5 ай бұрын
Amazing. Amen. Thank you
@basildraws
@basildraws 5 ай бұрын
None of this is evidence of anything. Pay close attention to what you've said regarding Papius. You're talking about a THIRD HAND account. How do you figure that's any kind of evidence of anything? It's the written account (which itself could be fiction), of another story which could be fictional, about a 3rd person that may or may not have seen or done something we can't verify. That's not Archeology. Finding a scroll is archeology and it provides evidence that there were people of that period that wrote down stories. It doesn't speak to the evidentiary quality of what was written. At All. You're just making the same, tired, apologist's Category Error Fallacy and it's annoyingly transparent.
@diorgrace1
@diorgrace1 Жыл бұрын
This only leaves doubt that what we have is NOT ENOUGH. Everything we have is enough. Jesus made sure that all we have is what we need. If more is found great, but we cannot worry about there being more and all this stuff out there. This only leaves questions that there should have been more. No, put your mind to rest, there does not need to be more. We already know there was more. There is even a verse in the Bible that says that there is so much that wasn’t recorded about the things that Jesus did, we know there was much more life going on and things said, than what is recorded, of course!! But what we have is enough and that is enough. Let us put our minds to rest right now, that what is in the Bible is EXACTLY what God had for us to be there. It is enough. End of subject. It’s settled forever more. Our Holy Bible from Jesus, is ENOUGH, it’s ALL WE NEED.🙏🏻🙏🏻✝️✝️🙏🏻🙏🏻
@barnowl.
@barnowl. Жыл бұрын
Wrong!
@georgeadeh8859
@georgeadeh8859 7 ай бұрын
God bless you for disseminating all this information. I have already subscribed to your channel as a small way to support you.
@Dennis_Ryan_Lynch
@Dennis_Ryan_Lynch 5 ай бұрын
Anyone have a link to the Bible related thingys already translated
@loganpeterjones
@loganpeterjones 5 ай бұрын
oxyrhynchus.web.ox.ac.uk/publications
@Dennis_Ryan_Lynch
@Dennis_Ryan_Lynch 5 ай бұрын
@@loganpeterjones great, thanks!
@gearmonger8616
@gearmonger8616 5 ай бұрын
Depends on what you define as a manuscript.
@donnaleveron5711
@donnaleveron5711 5 ай бұрын
Matthew 24:35,"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. "
@donnaleveron5711
@donnaleveron5711 5 ай бұрын
Do not let the enemy plant a seed of doubt in your mind.
@laughingoutloud436
@laughingoutloud436 5 ай бұрын
Thank you Logan!
@epengelly2503
@epengelly2503 5 ай бұрын
To be honest, there is so much valuable archaeological information that isn't published or translated into different languages. This tends to be due to a massive lack of funding rather than choices being made to keep information private.
@TheAgentAssassin
@TheAgentAssassin 5 ай бұрын
God's grace is sufficient for me.
@alexrecalde3420
@alexrecalde3420 13 күн бұрын
I gotta tell ya kid, you do good work.
@UKpostmillennial
@UKpostmillennial 5 ай бұрын
Thanks bro!
@ricksteelcustoms3196
@ricksteelcustoms3196 5 ай бұрын
Hopefully A.I. will soon be able to rapidly translate all of this Papyri..
@dyerseve07
@dyerseve07 5 ай бұрын
“It is the glory of God to conceal a thing, but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.” - Proverbs 25:2
@maxnemo1643
@maxnemo1643 Жыл бұрын
That is very interesting. There could still be many discoveries to verify the Scriptures even more in this time of apostasy.
@slik00silk84
@slik00silk84 5 ай бұрын
Not likely as all of this came from a garbage dump . . . which this turkey forgot to mention??
@antoinecabrera8086
@antoinecabrera8086 Жыл бұрын
Good but the music is too load!!! Bless you
@jbocaneg17611
@jbocaneg17611 4 ай бұрын
Thank you, brother!
@OregonRose2010
@OregonRose2010 5 ай бұрын
"It's very possible that the Bible was changed between the time that the Bible was written and the time that our earliest copies were written..." And yet we still have so many people that insist that the Bible as we currently have it contains everything that God wanted us to know. God is endless, and God's words are the same.
@JRRodriguez-nu7po
@JRRodriguez-nu7po 5 ай бұрын
Thank you, I was unaware pf this However, yhese are from the third century, after Nicea. Fortunately we have fragmentefdocuments from as early as the first half of the second century, testifying that the differences to our modern chsnges no doctrine. These differences are noted in modern transportation as footnotes and more detail is widely available. That said it is exciting to wonder what might be there.
@Ydehan
@Ydehan Жыл бұрын
Great vid
@kentholm1414
@kentholm1414 5 ай бұрын
Our mighty God preserves his word for us to learn and know by heart. Yeshoua
@sebastiantorker4930
@sebastiantorker4930 5 ай бұрын
If he really wanted it to be preserved, why not preserve a fully intact manuscript? We only have fragments which have to be pieced together arduously. God seems to be pretty incompetent if he wasn’t able to do a better job.
@kentholm1414
@kentholm1414 5 ай бұрын
@@sebastiantorker4930 that is so that unbelievers like you got something to do . Believers carry the word of God in our hearts
@joshcardone1836
@joshcardone1836 5 ай бұрын
I personally wouldn't have used bart as a reference. There are many others. But this evidence has been out for a long time and has not been kept from people. I've been reading up on this for a long time now.
@grouchywithoutcoffee
@grouchywithoutcoffee Жыл бұрын
Didn't they use some type of scanner technology on the dead sea scrolls? Why can't they use the same tech here?
@loganpeterjones
@loganpeterjones Жыл бұрын
The main issue here is that they have boxes full of small fragments that they have to piece together, which takes a long time
@anthonygreene4938
@anthonygreene4938 5 ай бұрын
What makes them believe that time is going to go on and on? Perhaps they do not believe what the Bible does say. Or perhaps they do not know what it does say. We are living in the time of the end. We are not told the day or the hour in which the lord of Glory will stand up, and say those solemn words..." It is done, let the holy be holy still, and the unholy be unholy still. And the righteous be righteous still and the unrighteous be unrighteous still." And once this happens there really isn't much left for the Lord to do, but make His grand appearance.. He arrives to judge the world. It is much closer than many realize.
@gracierose3076
@gracierose3076 Жыл бұрын
I personally don't need to know for my salvation. God is His wisdom reviles things in His time. It would be interesting and exciting for scholars, I'm sure that many things are yet to be reviled.
@barnowl.
@barnowl. Жыл бұрын
I think you mean REVEAL, and not revile (abuse with words).
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