Archery Hook - Split Finger or Three Under?

[@fatgim]

I was taught split finger and have used it all my life. Recently, I gave up the compound bow and picked up the traditional longbow. After doing a lot of research i decided to go 3 under and anchor my middle finger to the cornet of my mouth. Using the gap method, my point of aim is bang on at 30m meaning if i do everything consistently and aim down the arrow, superimposing the point of the arrow directly on the target will result in consitent grouping exactly where i want. For me, the combination of 3 under and this anchor point gives me consistent points of reference for targets 10m ( hold arrow point 10cm below desired point of impact) all the way through to 50m (hold arrow point 20cm above desired point of impact). SO my advice would be don't be afraid to try new techniques to find what works best for you, the type of shooting you do and the ranges you want to be effective at. FYI - After not touching archery for years first club shoot on the longbow division using 3 under and gap shooting method and had very respectable scores. Good luck and have fun!

[@spitfire4sergi]

Tried 3 under today (beginner, obviously!) on my #45 recurve, and had so much fun!!! I was much more accurate looking right down the arrow.. felt like I was looking down a rifle barrel, which felt really comfortable!! Never enjoyed it more up to this point. Awesome video as always, going to follow along as I progress.

[@liliankuhn4671]

Thank you! I learned to use the split finger method decades ago & many archers on KZbin are only showing the three under & I don't feel in control of the arrow that way. Anyway, they made me think I was holding the arrow the wrong way! I also believe the split finger method makes me shoot much better.

[@owism8]

Thank you. very good explanation. Your videos are the only methodological archery videos on KZbin.

[@lazararsovic7429]

These videos are very helpful for beginners like me. Thanks for making them, they are great!

[@happyfuntimereviews5600]

After an almost 25 year hiatus from archery, I just purchased my first bow. While I was at my local archery shop getting everything all set up, we went to the test range to determine my draw length. As I mounted the bow and started my draw, using a split finger, the archery pro stopped me. “No, no, no...You want to put all three fingers UNDER the nock point. If you don’t, you’ll pinch your arrow and throw off your accuracy...” I obliged him as I didn’t feel like arguing, (he was a pretty nice guy overall). Kind of bugged me though that he was “forcing” me to shoot in a style I was not accustomed to. Seems to me that split finger holds have worked for THOUSANDS of years. If 3 under was really that much better, why was it not more common historically? Or was it??? Love your channel BTW!!!

[@georgetempest2469]

I mainly subscribed to your channel, because you describe everything clearly and easy to understand. A lot of other guys think they were born with a bow and arrow in their hands, talking a lot of technical jibberish where half of it isn't necessary :o)

[@whyisgamora4191]

This. I'm a bit late but you are correct, eventhough Nu has some very long videos on very specific topics, he explains it the way everyone can understand it, and in an amusing way. I've tried watching others, but with many I don't understand a word of what they're saying + they're so boring I nearly fall asleep.

[@jocammeade1228]

As a barebow-recurve archer, we use the 3under only. And there is a good reason for it. and a problem which 3under solves, a problem recurve archers don't have: it's the bow not 'normally' getting to the full distance. You can only compensate for that by stringwalking and using different anchors. Then you will not need a 60 pounder for shooting 70 meters: you can do with a 25 just fine. Recurvers don't have this issue, because they aim lower of their face and have an adjustable sight. Barebowers will not have that, and anchor usually to their upper jaw.

[@47Prosteam]

Former pro competitor here.... There’s a reason why all the top pros shooting non sight division with both conventional and compound bows use 3 under almost exclusively.... It’s because it not only allows for better gap and pick a point references.... It also allows for a much cleaner release and less twisting of string and pinching nock than split-finger. The only reason you might employ split is for speed or (snap) shooting as it allows for a faster and more stable draw.

[@ozarkgypsy]

I did not know that Pro Steam, thanks for the info! I'm an amateur archer who shoots conventional recurve. It has been years since I shot archery, but I'm starting again. I watched several videos, and done quite a bit of reading lately. I decided to try 3 finger. So, today was my first day in years , and I shot my first arrow with the way I've always done it, split finger. I used to have problems and still do with the arrow wanting to come off the shelf. I would then tilt my bow away from a vertical position to keep the arrow on the shelf. So today, I immediately switched to 3 finger (for the first time in my life), and it immediately felt right. My arrows never once come off the shelf. So for me, 3 finger is absolutely best, as I don't have to worry about the arrow sliding off the shelf. Now I can enjoy archery again! Everyone's mileage may vary.

[@47Prosteam]

@@ozarkgypsy If you try going three fingers under, you'll need to put a second nock-lock under arrow also. Place snugly before tightening under arrow and pull arrow to full draw. This will force second nock-lock into natural resting position so it doesn't pinch arrow going forward. Tighten nock lock after letting string down

[@ozarkgypsy]

@@47Prosteam That makes sense to me, thanks Pro Steam, I'll give it a try!

[@itsalwaysfriday9766]

I used to shoot split, but I had someone recommend trying 3 under and it feels more natural to me. I think this boils down to personal preference on some level.

[@jacoblee5546]

I'm stuck on split finger and hoping to make the change to three under, What's your nock point height? My arrows just arc down whenever I make a shot using three under.

[@itsalwaysfriday9766]

@@jacoblee5546 It's been a while since I have shot anything. I'd need to get the bow out and measure it, but depending on the bow that measurement would likely differ. The bow I use is a hickory longbow that was made by yours truly. I set the knock based on where the arrow was sitting at full draw and had to adjust it a couple of times when I was tuning the bow after I built it.

[@the-great-awekener]

@@jacoblee5546 i put my underpoint 5mm above arrow rest, and then i set my top point after

[@victorniemeyer]

Thank you for a clear discussion of the tradeoffs. Short and sweet.

[@mattriley6283]

Iv had my recurve for less than a week now and i have noticed split finger does have better groupings for me, I have seen a number of your videos and i think your doing good work and are helping many, Its good to hear about the different release styles people and clubs used i'l have to experiment and find what works for me as i'm not using sights, thanks for the tips :)

[@Breaker197]

I've shot split finger all my life, most of it shooting instinctively, and I switched to compound from recurve when I was young. Just recently switched back to recurve, and I'm intrigued by the thumb grip. I think I'll try it tonight.

[@hansonnew]

Just started archery being taught 3 fingers under and was wondering whether to switch to split finger. The video contained great and clear advice and will,be sticking with 3 finger under for the time being.

[@esnevip]

Curious if you're still using it?

[@MaestroMattX]

As a Barebow Recurve archer, I 'string walk' which necessitates (for me!) the use of both methods. Though, as the majority of my distances are covered with 3 under, I have spent many an hour adjusting the tiller of each limb. They are almost a 1/4 inch different to compensate for the added pressure on the bottom limb. Another great explanation from the Sensei!

[@shuumai]

I'm curious what it would be like to use limbs of two different lengths, like a yumi.

[@MaestroMattX]

The length of each limb isn't different but the angle that each limb inserts into the riser is different - this is tiller height. By raising/lowering the tiller, the 'centre' point on the string is lowered/raised. Sorry if I was a little confusing!! :)

[@shuumai]

Maestro Matt I'm not sure if this applies tp tiller, but shooting my recurve split-finger, sometimes it feels like the bow kicks upward during the release. Probably just me. That's even with a long rod attached.

[@Aphetorusbull]

Shuu Mai you may want to look at your elbow position if your elbow drops you can pull down on the string during release making the bow feel like it is kicking up.

[@shuumai]

Aphetorusbull Thanks. That's probably it. I've recently improved my follow-through, so maybe the kick will go away.

[@eqlzr2]

I've been shooting daily for about 3 months now and would say that I'm becoming an intermediate level shooter rather than a complete beginner. I have experience with a number of bows now, and one of my favs is an economical fiberglass horse bow from Nomad Warriors in Washington State. Lately, I've noticed that I've developed a callous on the skin alongside my right index fingernail where it contacts the top of the arrow when I shoot split-fingered. Just in the past couple days, I've noticed significant discomfort in that spot when drawing the horse bow. I believe it's from string pinch when drawing that short bow, so this afternoon I started shooting 3-fingers-under, and immediately the problem was resolved. I also found the adjustment relatively easy--easier than I would have expected. If anybody is having a similar problem, they might want to try 3-finger-under shooting. The only difficulty I've encountered is keeping the arrow against the grip of the horse bow, since it has no shelf. It was not a problem at all when shooting split-fingered, probably because the string pinch was stabilizing the arrow against the bow grip.

[@joshuasmit5137]

The coach working with the learners at my school (level 3 coach) started with the 3 under method barebow to place a focus on basic core technique skills (he pointed out that the sights are an eassy distraction for beginners) and later moved on to the Mediterranean draw later when most of the basic form aspects were covered and thereby introduced sights.

[@joshuasmit5137]

Though he did not teach 3 directly under the arrow, he started with a hook with 3 fingerspaces between the hook and the arrow

[@actstuntcam]

One thing to consider is what type of competitions you are shooting. I shoot 3D. With that in mind, the max distance from the 'string bow peg' is 35yrds. With 3 fingers under, my 'point-on' is pretty much bang on 35yrds (I anchor at the corner of my mouth). It also means that with my set-up and anchor point, my point is on the target more of the time. Shooting split fingers puts my arrow tip visually in the dirt, even beyond 40yrds. This makes it impossible to aim (well wicked difficult for me anyway). If I miss, the question I ask myself is which piece of dirt was I aiming at?? However, if I shoot Iffa 3D the distances are longer (I think max is around 60yrds). This brings another problem - At 35 I'm 'point-on', and at 40 I'm top of the animal, but beyond this I have to aim above the target and it gets hard to be accurate with the gaps AND more difficult to maintain a line because you're drawing an invisible line between the tip back down to the target. Personally I'm not a fan of split fingers because with a glove I get finger pinch and the contact with the nock gives me very poor releases. This issue could be overcome with a Tab with a finger gapper, but I like my glove too much. If I was allowed to change to swap between split and 3-under I would, but it's against the rules. Facewalking is also against the rules. I don't really understand why. Having to shoot split-finger is a key reason I won't compete in Longbow competitions. Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth LOL.

[@joseluiszenizo5070]

It isn't only the finger placement. You also have to telocate the nock and adjust the tiller setting for each style. Greetings from Mexico

[@tornoutlaw]

Hi José! I have a question: I'm ordering a custom made take-down hunting recurve. I have recently switched to 3 under because it acommodates some problems I have (uneven shoulders, difficulties releasing). Now I know that I have to relocate the nock, but I believe the tiller on a take-down (no ILF) cannot be adjusted? Need I mention my grip to the bowyer, so he can build the bow accordingly? Thanks in advance!

[@Nobrr_]

if im shooting olympic, split, if i shoot barebow, three under. This gives me a more comfortable anchor

[@LostBeetle]

I shoot instinctive, I have always used split. However when I have tried three under, I find my groups are just as tight, but always low.

[@itsreallyhairy]

@@DobsJasJadPing Kentucky windage... Lol

[@LivengoodOutdoors]

Lost Beetle I’m the opposite. I shoot instinctive and shoot same groups three under and split but when I shoot split I shoot higher. I typically shoot three under

[@whyisgamora4191]

Maybe I can help out some others beginners as a newbie myself. I shoot a barebow recurve. I used split-finger before, but the lack of results kind of asthonished me and I had a hard time aiming with it. I decided to try out three under, eventhough I thought it looked weird, and my world changed. Within half an hour of practice I was already shoothing a lot more precise than before. Three under feels a lot more natural to me for some reason, my release is smoother and my consistency and grouping are 10x tighter than before.

[@ethan7x574]

There is a lot i could say about all these different negative things these people are commenting on related to shooting 3 under but ill just give you one name Rick Welch hes won over 45 national and world titles shooting 3 fingers under. The vast majority of the people he's gone up against and beat were all shooting split finger. So for me either way 3 under or split, if the arrow hits the spot you want it to hit it doesn't make a flying rat's ass

[@Raptorduder]

Correct. True words. I think it matters really up to the user's own feel and ability to keep constant with.

[@deannabbe1]

I have a Fairweather Split tab, and shoot barebow Recurve. Depending on the distance I'm shooting at my local club, I'll either shoot split or 3under. In AA/AV competition, is there any rule that says I can't string walk with a split tab?

[@rolandrimann8788]

Thanks Dave.

[@leeprice133]

Shooting barebow, I will switch between the two. At 30/40m, split finger gives me a point of aim that is below the boss, with no firm reference. At 50/60/70m, I switch to split finger to move the point aim onto the face.

[@kevinsmith954]

My draw style depends on what bow I'm using and what the discipline is for that bow.

[@JustAnotherAccount8]

i use split, was taught that way, and just think it looks better (aesthetically if that makes any sense)

[@battletoads22]

I tried both methods when first starting out and didn't notice a difference. I shoot split though because I feel like I have better/more control. Also, I shoot instinctive, but my anchor point is the tip of my middle finger to the corner of my mouth.

[@Fender1031]

I started shooting split and switched to 3 when I read Ron Rohrbaughs book A Traditional Hunters Path and my groups got way tighter. My reasons - I shoot "instinctive" 1. 3 Under feels more natural to me, I can get a clearly site picture for some reason and it feels like the arrow is on my eye path not the bow path. When Im anchoring properly I can get in tight and see everything better with 3 under versus split. 2. I can nock the arrow faster. I touch the nock to the string and shoot with nock point on top so its a natural "hold" for me. My brain just understands the tactile feedback better to be feeling the nock and it being held against the nocking point versus my finger. 3. I feel like I have more control on the hold when I have 3 fingers with a deep hold. 4. I can anchor more contact points of my face and have more areas of association with my anchor point. With 3 under its easier to get my thumb behind my chin, my middle and index on the corner of my mouth etc and I find the follow through much easier. 5. My release is much much smoother with 3 under than split finger. I was getting some major string slap when I started out because I was gripping the nock basically with split finger... 3 Under you are just resting that nock on your finger versus surrounding it. Ill never go back to split period. Way tighter groups, I was having some serious doubts about my competence in this sport until I switched to 3 under and I have noticed even when I screw up on my form I can at least get to a general area versus split finger where I was poirposing and doing all sorts of wonkey stuff. Results will always vary and I am sure you are a professional in your sport but sometimes just because you dont use a technique does not mean its not an effective technique ... it probably just does not feel right to you but feels right to others.

[@NUSensei]

+1xayekim Absolutely. Shoot what works best for you.

[@Stunseed]

what about a 2 finger draw? i was looking at finger tabs and the fivics caught my eye. i like split finger. but im thinking about just doing the two finger draw.

[@UpuRasmijaya]

agree. two finger draw more comfortable. but is it allowed in FITA rules/International/National or whatever rules? curious :/

Split-finger doesn't work for me because the distance between my eye and the arrow is way too much and the angle of the arrow is way too steep. With three-under, the arrow is closer to my eye above it and it ensures superior accuracy even with full instinctive shooting. The difference is just growing bigger with the closer distances I shoot. I found split-finger outright useless closer than 70 yards to be honest.

[@TheJimmyoneleg]

I teach a lot of beginners and I ALWAYS show them split finger technique for a very good reason. This is because they tend to assume a high anchor and look along the arrow if there isn't a forefinger in the way like if they use split finger technique and they try to look along the arrow. This is called the "eye anchor" and the ABA has banned it's use in competition for safety reasons. If an arrow blows up or they accidentally over-draw and the tip jams into the riser it can be catastrophic. It is a lot harder to lose an eye upon release if the anchor point is lower down. Beginners are trying to remember a lot of instructions at one time and many will inadvertently put themselves at risk.

[@georgetempest2469]

So Australia has become a nanny state just like Britain? We should ban all screw drivers, because some idiot could poke himself in the eye... If you listen and learn, you don't make such mistakes, so I still use 3 fingers under in the UK. Arrows only blow up if they haven't been properly inspected before use and here people use safety specs - unknown in OZ?

[@Betts456]

Just picked it up. Love the videos

[@DA2THFA1RY]

I find that the 1 over 2 under method is more accurate for me. The 3 under method seemed to kick the arrows side ways and hit where I didn't want it to go, and sometimes even miss the target.

[@LegitimatelyAxeL]

If you've tuned your bow shooting split finger, 3 under would effect the tune.

[@jocammeade1228]

LegitimatelyAxeL Not nessecarily, I think the thing DA2THFA1RY is doing wrong, is that he plucks the arrow. This is a very common technical error with barebowers, they pull the string to the side, away from their face. This is solved by, when loosing, deliberately moving your hand to your shoulder, a bit like the release of a compounder.

[@FrankenstizerJam]

Love your videos. Very informative. Wanted to ask, as a beginner bare bow shooter I am using split finger method. But now you made me worried if I will be able to compensate when shooting different distances.

[@TheYoloCraftMC]

i was taught to use 20 fingers, one above and one under the arrow, this gives you better tension on both sides of the arrow.

[@anakinskywalker4090]

uhhh why do you have 20 fingers

[@clericneokun]

I use split-finger but I'm having difficulty keeping my draw hand vertically aligned with the string when going to full draw. My forearm simply cannot twist that much and i've already pulled a muscle on the two occassions that I tried to correct my form. Should I still keep trying to correct myself or is it fine to just have my hand aligned diagonal to the string while drawing?

[@NUSensei]

+mark2500 It's actually normal NOT to have a perfectly vertical hand. It's okay to have it slightly tilted to match the contour of your face. However, you should not angle your hand too much to induce a significant twist in the string.

[@clericneokun]

I'll keep that in mind. Thanks.

[@panchemist]

Trial by error and then check ... barebow and close 3 under was my day´s discovery after 50 shots. and not pulling with fingerTIPS. Vertical consistency got significantly better with next shots... now going for horizontal aiming...

[@toxolite]

I believe that most traditional or one-piece bows are manufacture optimised "tiller-wise" for split-finger draw and cannot perform properly when using 3-Under draw, unlike modern recurves.

[@matgiczey2707]

If you are using a 60" or shorter heavy draw weight bow, you will struggle with split finger shooting, because the string pinches your fingers to the arrow.

[@MatthewofHU]

Hi! First I'd like to thank you for the videos. As you so many times suggested, I did not go and buy the big 50 pounder bow . I went to try myself on a shooting range first and drawn the conclusion. And now I have a question regarding the hook. I've been practicing target archery at university for a year or so and I used to use the tip of my fingers as a hook. (I'm getting back to archery after a five year hiatus.) When I first held a sport bow I was around 8 and I was shown to use the joint between the distal phalanx and middle phalanx. I read about a professional archer (can't remember the name), who did use this methond for a long time but developed some serious bruising once (due to the fault/wear of the tab?) and had to stop shooting for a long time. Also we were instructed to use the middle phalanx at university. So, can you advise, how to actually use/form the hook? Which is the best way?

[@kiwi3053]

could u do a video on how to tiller a bow and what it is coz im really unsure

[@KheranSmith]

ya that was helpful thanks :-D was shooting three under with equal tiller and it made a horrid sound but with split finger it sounds so much better and the arrows fly alot smother just aiming so low with no site is hard work lol

[@brentbenningfield5437]

What tab are you using in this video? I like the spacer in between your fingers.

[@jacoblee5546]

Hoping to switch from split to three under, current nock height is 5/8 inch high and everytime I shoot three under my arrows shoot downwards Any ideas?

[@anhslaught7950]

So I am left eye dominant, right hand dominant. For some reason when I aim with lefteye open, im way off target, but with my left eye I am more accurate. I usually shoot within 20 to 50 yards. Is there a problem? should I be using sites?

[@NUSensei]

I'm not sure if you've written that out correctly - what exactly is the problem with the left eye? As for using sights, this is entirely up to you. Sights make aiming easier.

[@anhslaught7950]

NUSensei I just saw your eye dominance video. It explained it pretty well . My problem is I don't really know how the proper way of aiming is with the recurve. Someone told me since I'm left eye dominant, I should be aiming with my left eye eventhough I'm right handed. I think they're wrong right? I seem to be more accurate with my right eye when I'm aiming. I'm usually always a little off though. But let me reiterate the question. Should I still be aiming with the right eye, even if I'm left eye dominant?

[@NUSensei]

This varies between people. Some find it more comfortable to shoot with their dominant hand. If you have a steady sight picture with your right eye, then aim with your right eye. Otherwise, the conventional wisdom is to use your dominant eye.

[@jimcrants7517]

I have the same issue. Because of my left-eye dominance, I find that I am more accurate shooting left-handed. To shoot decently right-handed, I have to close my left eye while aiming, and that gets old fast.

[@MegaAlfies]

Love your videos

[@garlicgirl3149]

I had no idea so many different ways. Thank you!

[@michaelhughes1634]

i’ve shot 3 under my whole life and i got 8th individually in the barebow class at collegiate nations.

[@williammcdowell3718]

After my first outing with my low poundage recurve bow, my middle finger went numb. While not painful, it is however quite annoying. Is there a finger placement that is less stressful on the fingers? What is the best equipment to help prevent this from happening?

[@NUSensei]

William McDowell I certainly hope you were wearing a finger tab, for starters. As a general guideline, the string should be position on the inside of the first joint. To be more technical, more experienced archers will use slightly different placement based on their fingers, preferences and training.

[@Gottaculat]

You get used to it after a while, and develop callus which is our natural armor. If you don't want callus fingers, then use a rough leather glove. If you use a smooth leather, you lose grip, which can lead to a misfire. I am by no means an expert, but I know what works for me. That's the beauty of archery; there is no right or wrong way to shoot your bow as long as it doesn't damage you, others, or your bow (which could cause the previous two to happen). Also, equipment choice is a preference you must figure out on your own, as what feels right for one person is terrible for another person. I use an arm guard, eye protection, bow sight, string sound dampeners, arrow rest, and that's it when using my 55# re-curve, but some people look like Pimp My Ride abducted them and dropped them off at the range. XD Whatever works for you.

[@TRASHYPLACES]

I have arthritis in my middle finger, for a smoother more relaxed release I use 3 under with my index finger pressing downward against the middle finger giving it a little boost against the stiffness of the middle fingers joint

[@MrJay7777]

NUSensei yeh and the first joint is too far makes a "dead release " almost impossible

[@theamazinggoldfish8713]

I just tried two fingers, "over" and my accuracy dramatically improved. Any ideas why, anyone or am I just an wired alien?

[@LoveLikeaHurricane]

do you have a video giving the difference between anchor points...cheek bone ...or under the chin?

[@NUSensei]

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[@ghoztfaze093]

sensei, can u make video about gap shooting using turkish bow?ty

[@Saimeren]

What are the main differences between using your fingers and a mechanical release?

[@NUSensei]

Mechanical release removes the inherent inconsistency of relying on your fingers to move at the same time. Even the shooters cannot attain perfect consistency with their fingers.

[@elijahoconnell]

I use split finger but i draw to my ear and line the arrow parallel with my eye

[@kazoolordhd6591]

my archery teacher, (he reps NZ in archery in the olimpics) Mark holds the string with two fingers around 1cm under the knocked arrow, is this a good way to draw? also is one above, one under a good method?

[@NUSensei]

Two fingers is generally not a good technique and is not taught. There is more stress on the fingers and it is harder to achieve a consistent release with the weight distributed across two digits rather than three.

[@MrMCWolfCraft]

Hello i have a question. Im shooting olympic style with 3 fingers under but recently my nock points have started to scratch up my jaw and i now have a painful mark on my jaw. Do you think changing my style to 1-2 method will help me with this problem. Is it worth it to change becouse i will have to redo all of my sight settings.

[@NUSensei]

This would solve the problem. Additionally, shooting three-under doesn't convey any advantages for an Olympic-style shooter.

[@sacksaythatsanaphonh6033]

NUSensei what kind and brand of bow do you use? Also what material arrow do you use?

[@stettan1754]

Thanks for this video. I'm new to archery, and I was wondering...What's your opinion on using caliber release for recurve bows? Will this fix the off balance string pull? I mean, does it work?

[@NUSensei]

Stet Tan Some people use release aids with recurve bows. However, one must keep in mind that unlike a compound bow, recurve bows have no let-off, which means that you are holding 100% of the weight at full draw. This makes it very different to holding a compound bow using a release aid, and getting a clean release with calipers can actually be trickier than it looks.

[@shayden5289]

I actually have a legitimate question about form this time, and it has a lot to do with my hooking on the string. I'm shooting my recurve bow Split-Finger because when I tried 3-Under I had a problem with my ring finger going numb(sometimes for a week or more just from a few arrows.). Right now my index finger seems to be pressing against the nock of the arrow when I release. This is extraordinarily painful, and normally after only a few shots I find myself flinching and being unable to hold my draw at all without fear of the pain. What's worse is that it happens regardless of draw weight; whether I am drawing 20 pounds at a club, my 55# recurve, or my 65# long-axel compound it happens, simply with varying degrees of severity. I've tried rotating my wrist in(completely impossible. For whatever reason I am physically unable to do this in my anchor position, bow or not.), lowering my elbow(My elbow is as low as I can manage without stability issues in the joint itself.), and right now I am trying to create a gap between my finger and the arrow on the string. Due to the structure of my face, and the fact that I wear glasses, I have no choice but to cant my bow. Trying to shoot with my bow vertical either results in face contact, or the string taking a chunk out of the end of my nose(a very interesting thing to explain to a doctor.). What do you recommend I do? For information sake, the recurve bow I am shooting has a length of 62", with a draw weight of 55#@28", my ideal draw length is roughly 27 inches(rounded up for simplicity).

[@x3roxide]

I assume you are using a tab or a glove? perhaps changing to a cordovan leather glove with thick sides may help alleviate the problem. with that axle and draw length, you should not be experiencing the amount of arrow pinch as you describe. best thing to do is to get a coach to help sort out this type of issue. at the minimum, film yourself so you can view it later. as to the bow taking a chunk out of your nose, I had this issue until a stranger at the range pointed out to me that while my footwork was correct (square stance), my head was at an angle when it should be facing the target, allowing me to see it with both eyes. Instead, my head was on an angle and I could only see the target with my left eye (right handed bow). Ensuring that my head was correctly facing the target and bringing the arrow to my face, rather than having my neck tilt my head towards the arrow, fixed that issue entirely. I cannot stress this enough that the best thing you can do is find either a coach or a friend who is knowledgeable about these things, and get them to critique your form.

[@shayden5289]

Matthew Briffa I actually found the problem in both cases. My finger was too low I was hooking wrong for my hand. Since I adjusted so that my middle finger is taking the brunt of the weight, I've solved the issue with my fingers. My nose also turned out to be from my head flinching from the release. My anchor point was wrong, and where it was on my face was causing me to flinch when I released the string. A quick change in anchor points and I'm not having any problems anymore with face contact.

[@x3roxide]

Shayde Mohr good to hear you sorted it all out ;-) these issues can be frustrating beyond believe. may you continue to shoot straight and true.

[@nickhorton785]

Its seems all newer shooters are 3 under along with tournament barbow and all old timers are split. 40 years ago 3 under was unheard of.

[@DsasukeX]

Hi NU can you make a video on how to use a sight. i just got my first sight which is the shibuya dual click but i am having a hard time adjusting it

[@thelitecommando]

Its real simple. if you have a consistent anchor (and target distance), just draw the string to your anchor point while looking through the sight, shoot a grouping of at least 2-4 to ensure the sight is off and its not your form, if the arrows are high, move the sight higher, if the sight is off to the right, move the sight to the right etc

[@scottylee7812]

If you made ur own arrows how would three underwork? Those arrow like lock on the string. Split would only work in the wild

[@iggorr25]

So what I want to know out of all of this is: Is it possible to be an instinctive and an Olympic archer at the same time, practice a little bit of both stiles? I like both stiles that is why I am asking, and I use the split finger draw, one finger above and two under the nock....?

[@NUSensei]

There's no reason why you can't be. Most people dedicate their time to one or the other, but it's not uncommon for people who do both.

[@iggorr25]

That is reliving :D THX :D

[@csongorraduly9394]

Hi guys. Sensei, can you shoot 3 fingers below in Olympics, or you need to shoot with 1 above 2 below? Is that a law? Please help me to understand. Thanks!

[@NUSensei]

I can't verify this at the moment, but I don't believe there is a rule about finger placement. However, there is no reason why an Olympic archer would use three-under.

[@jaytsang1161]

Is drawing to the ear safe for ones joints? Didnt they use to draw close to the ear during warfare with bows back then?

[@NUSensei]

Yes. Warfare, however, is less about accuracy and often more about power. Long draws means easier "gross" movement to get power and alignment. Modern archery uses lighter draw weights and puts more focus on consistency, hence the "short" draw and anchor.

[@jaytsang1161]

thanks for the info. It seems like the brace height for the Olympic bow is much more than the traditional bow back in the day. I noticed the grove for the hand increases the brace height and decreases the draw length. I am assuming you don't get the same power stroke as the traditional bows back in the day. Im I right?

[@ThinkinFrenchFry]

@NUSensei how many pounds are you drawing in this video? and whats your draw length? 26 inches?

[@NUSensei]

40#, 26"

[@simonshadowshow]

Hi Sensei . . So it it possible to shoot split finger for barebow ? I've just purchased my first bow (recurve with ILF) and the guy "tillered" it for me to shoot 3 under... thing is, its the noisiest bow on the shooting line .. as a "newbie" its knocked my confidence quite a bit ... so much as I enjoy 3 under I think I might switch to split and get someone to change the tillering so its equal ..anybody got any words of wisdom ?!

[@NUSensei]

It is possible - and fairly normal - to shoot barebow with the split finger method.

[@x3roxide]

I'd have that tiller checked, also double check the nocking point. It's not uncommon for the arrow to be bouncing off the shelf if the tiller as been adjusted but not the nocking point. also what is your draw length? I have a draw length of 30" and it's not uncommon for an otherwise quiet bow to be a little noisy at my draw length.

[@TheHuggybear516]

What about using two fingers split?

[@Lost_Hwasal]

If you are interested in learning more i urge you to watch "the push - a traditional archery film", here on youtube. He does an excellent job of explaining ballistics and gap shooting and ultimately what it means to move the arrow up and down your face in regards to where the arrow lands, which is ultimately the difference between split finger and 3 under shooting. You could actually use a fixed crawl on a traditional bow with an olympic anchor and be pretty successful.

[@roymilligan]

Nice bow!

[@RymeofDawn]

I have been watching a show where the archer does 1 finger on top and 1 on the bottom. Is that a good hook to use?

[@NUSensei]

2-finger hooks are quite rare. It is more stressful on the fingers and generally has less control than 3 fingers.

[@chrishausheer2385]

+NUSensei "You Kind of Grab here like a fishhook and..."

[@AndrewArndts]

As I understand it. 3 under can cause undo stress to the lower limb. I personally cannot see how, unless you have a seriously long draw of over 31".

[@NUSensei]

It's not the stress that's the problem. What it does mean that the lower limb is under more tension, which in turn means that the limbs will not be synchronised on their release. A bow that is intended to be shot 3-under will generally need to be tillered or tuned to cater for the uneven tension, as the draw is now off-centre.

[@RandomVideos4U]

Am I strange, I tried archery and was taught the split finger but didn't like it so naturally use the 33 under method but I shoot instinctively.

[@RandomVideos4U]

okay, thanks

[@ralakus8784]

(I'm very late) 33 under? Are you some mutant or something?

[@MrBlackhawk49]

I'm a bit wird in that regard: I'm using only two fingers: one above and one under the nock. Dunnow why but the third finger is just getting in the way... btw i shoot a longbow=)

[@mudkip_btw]

Some people shoot with two fingers, I heard. No idea why, but some just do. You might be one of them, watch out that you don't start to hurt your fingers though. Little more pressure on two fingers

[@jupitersscourge]

Doing so puts unnecessary strain on your two fingers that you decide to use. What's your draw weight? I shoot a 50lb recurve with 3 split fingers.

[@MrBlackhawk49]

Comrade Jiang 35 lbs loongbow. And I find it easier iwth just two fingers; it also feels like I got a bit more control over the arrow this way.

[@jupitersscourge]

MrBlackhawk49 Oh yeah. Low draws like that make it easy to just use a couple fingers. If it works for you, sure. But you have effectively less control with only two, just a cleaner release after.

[@brightmal]

I have seen at least one world cup level recurve archer who almost did not use that bottom finger at all on a split finger draw. The commentators mentioned it as being fairly rare, but mostly an issue of what the archery felt comfortable with.

[@steveruis1055]

NuSensei. I have to disagree. You say regarding the split finger hook has the advantage of the draw being "in line with the arrow creating a more efficient draw and cleaner release." Uh, no ... and no. If you look at the video, note that the pressure point of the grip is opposite the midpoint of the length of the string. The three fingers under string grip places the fingers almost exactly at the center of the bowstring (opposite the pressure point). When the string is drawn, you are not pulling along the length of the arrow, but pulling on the string and pushing on the grip, therefore you are pulling directly away from the center pf pressure of the grip and this has nothing to do with the arrow, per se. If you use a split finger grip, you are placing your fingers mostly on the top half of the bowstring, which creates the necessity of adjusting the tiller to balance out the limb forces. In no way does the split finger draw make the draw more efficient. It takes the same energy to draw the bow with both string grips is the draw length is the same. As to getting a cleaner release, this is also not so as the arrow in the split finger grip is in the way of the fingers while on the string and while coming off, which makes the loose more difficult. (This is why beginners are so often started three fingers under, to avoid these problems associated with a split finger grip. The actual advantage of the split finger grip is that it increases the angle of the arrow, making longer targets easier to reach. I have even experimented with a two up and one down grip and it increases the cast of a bow even more (and can be used by youths struggling to make distance, although you have to re-tune the bow, especially the tiller, if you want to do this). The split finger grip is therefore an advantage at longer distances outdoors and a disadvantage at close distances, such as indoors. Beginners are often started with three fingers under because they are shooting at such short distances and do not know how to aim. Even seasoned Barebow archers use a three finger under grip indoors as it creates points of aim that are more typically on the target face than a lower grip. (Obviously if you are using a bow sight indoors, the string grip plays no role in ease of aiming.)

[@TherealTenmanI]

What about 3 over and back handed?(Palm away from face using knuckles as anchor points on my cheek bones.) It is the only thing that works for me :3

[@Dsneedy]

Like the way the archer class on bo3 does it

[@mudkip_btw]

You have some Russian guys I've seen doing that for speed shooting (quicker arrow loading). Not really to useful though, kinda awkward

[@mardugeneral7813]

I use thum draw! With my firefox from kaya

[@tinar1142]

I've seen people turn their hand backwards....what does this do?

[@NUSensei]

It's occasionally used for speed-shooting, but outside of that it is a rare technique.

[@graphguy]

My problem is glasses. They frequently get in the way of my string.

[@itsreallyhairy]

If you're shooting barebow use three under. String walking is great. Shot instinctive and got good but not string walking good. Split finger limits you alot unless you're using a sight or have crazy instinctive skills.

[@stephenmorley1991]

I don't think you quite got the Stringwalking point, it's the same anchor point and the stitches on the Tab relate directly to the distance being shot, you don't aim by placing the arrow on a different point of the face, only on the tab, it's kind of gapping from the string side and not the arrow point. Once mastered it's a very accurate method but you need a good understanding of Form and Tuning. I enjoy watching you videos, I made that BT device with the velcro, it's a great training tool.

[@NUSensei]

Yeah, I kind of hashed together facewalking and stringwalking as I was explaining this.

[@bandicoot5412]

Excellent, thank you.

[@Bwc556]

Okay! Why do all Olympic archery shoot split?

[@NUSensei]

Because it keeps the line of force in line with the arrow, primarily. This is how archery has always been done historically and traditionally. 3-under methods are mostly a modern invention to assist archers with aiming with the arrow. Olympic archers use sights, which foregoes the need to use the arrow as an aiming tool.

[@irtank1]

I only use two fingers one above and one Below

[@cameronalexander359]

I tend to pinch the nock with split fingers.

[@MrRourk]

Comanche Tribes of North America have a interesting draw and release.

[@silaskodiak5330]

what kind of bow is that in this video?

[@NUSensei]

W&W Inno CXT.

[@shuumai]

Options should never /not/ exist. It makes archery and most other things more interesting.

[@polycrase]

Split finger baby!..Three under feels weird and and my shooting goes to hell when I use it.

[@mattd2672]

I would recommend anyone watching this video to stop and watch a video on string walking and it's proper application.

[@truth_x-3784]

I THOUGHT HE WAS THE PPAP GUY IN THE THUMBNAIL THEN I REALIZED HIS CAMO SWEATER...

[@tommyhawkins8018]

Well explained

[@thedeadpool3835]

That bow is beautiful, whats the name of the bow your using in the video

[@NUSensei]

Win&Win Inno CXT.

[@thedeadpool3835]

Cool dude

[@mudkip_btw]

+NUSensei ugh, you're using a W&W? I'd call that scrap metal. Just get a Hoyt, that's at least a real bow. (:P)

[@Dsneedy]

So if a guy broke in to your House and you Had a bow and a gun what would you go for

[@NUSensei]

Gun. A bow is not a home defense weapon.

[@Dsneedy]

+NUSensei you'd kill a guy that's fucked up

[@Mskatie1357]

+Nasty Snipes trolls that get off to asking people about home invasions is fucked up.

[@sever427]

+Nasty Snipes him or you?

[@dark_khan2232]

technically speaking anything you happen to use to defend your home with would be a home defense weapon.

[@Kevin_burgess]

why do you draw is back so easly?? it takes me everything i have, and i still ant pull it back all the way

[@phug0id]

+Kevin Burgess He is very experienced so he is probably used to his bow's draw weight - so it's nothing for him to draw the bow. I'm not criticizing you but your draw weight may be too much for your current skill level or strength/ability. I know when I first started archery I bought a 40# draw weight bow, and that was WAY too much draw weight for me. After a few hours of practice I was sore! Now 40# draw feels like nothing, it's comfortable... I guess I built my archery muscles (back muscles, etc) up to it after lots of practice and shooting every day. If I got a 50# draw or more bow I would probably get a workout!

[@Kevin_burgess]

I have a 50#... so i cant pull it back all the way yet, but i almost can

[@NUSensei]

I don't really approve of this focus. Even if you can pull it all the way back, you have no control over the shot process. You can do serious damage to your muscles if all you're thinking about is pulling a 50# bow. This is something you have to work up to alongside good form training on a lighter bow. Things won't suddenly work well once you get it to full draw.

[@phug0id]

+NUSensei +Kevin Burgess Wow I couldn't imagine drawing a 50# as a beginner. Unless you're a Hulk that's gotta be very difficult to draw!

[@Kevin_burgess]

It is.... very hard... the bad thing is im only 13.. :/

[@mightress]

no feeling in pointer finger, no pinky at all. two under for me it is :) 38lbs recurve, no problems with using just two fingers

[@BUDDHA8888]

Three-Under method just feels weird to me. Split Finger just feels "right". especially when using a finger tab. that said, I understand they make 3-Under tabs. Still. Feels weird.

[@WizardOfCheese]

splitting up my fingers when drawing just doesnt feel right, im way more accurate with 3 under or even 2 under lol