Archery Shootout | Beginner Bow VS. High End Bow (Does it make a difference?)

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Will upgrading your compound bow make you a better archer overnight? Or, is a top of the line bow inherently more accurate than an entry level (cheap) bow? In this video, I put my first bow (a Bear Attitude) in a head-to-head challenge against my new bow (an Obsession Evolution) to see if there is a measurable difference in accuracy. Is it just a subjective mind game that if a bow FEELS better to shoot you will shoot it better, or does a better designed bow with better sights, a drop-away arrow rest, and higher quality arrows actually shoot straighter and more consistently than whisker biscuits, cheap knockoff arrows, and the general bottom end of the bow world? If you are debating whether or not to upgrade your current bow setup and you are wondering if it's worth it, see how these two bows compare with each other and I believe it will help with your decision.
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[@EricQuinn]

I was taught years ago, start with an inexpensive bow, learn to shoot well with that bow. Then when you can afford a high end bow, just imagine how well you will shoot with that bow. That’s what I did, and it’s a very true statement.

[@justicearjun8796]

I know Im kinda off topic but do anybody know of a good site to stream new movies online?

[@andresserrano5683]

I’m just getting into hunting and my bow is a 70 Ib draw bear mauler, is there a way to tune that down and if so does anyone suggest doing that?

[@a_freaking_lime-gaming9287]

I was taught the same thing start with something decent practice form and shot placement now I use a traditional recurve and can tell you form is always important lol no matter price point

[@_.F0X._]

@@justicearjun8796 xvideos

[@demunbell]

Same here. It will work this way for most that train for it

[@Meloncholymadness]

I honestly feel that because you wanted the more expensive one to win, you shot better with it, whether consciously or not.

[@smallfish6355]

I mean, the higher end bows are lighter weight so they’re easier to hold I’m sure. Could contribute a bit.

[@yourhuckleberry3733]

That and the fact that he's using different arrows with each bow, if he's going to make comparisons with bows he needs to use the same arrows for each bow!

[@justinshaw5541]

@@yourhuckleberry3733 Well sometimes your draw is different from bow to bow so you may need different length arrows.

[@richardtoepfer9326]

I had a pse silverhawk as my first bow. I practiced everyday. I could hit a 2 " circle consistently at 30 yds. Even with "bad" arrows. Practice is everything, equipment helps lol.

[@michaelshuynh8992]

Same draw weight but not the same speed. Higher end bow Fly faster at a constant speed. It's why it's more accurate.

[@brennenfitzgerald]

Have a Bear Attitude myself as my tree stand bow. Long draw, dead quiet, takes deer just as easily as my PSE Beast EXT. The user is 99% of the shot.

[@coreytaggart128]

Having gotten back into shooting just recently and using my old equipment, this has been my answer when getting some flack for the age of my stuff. "I am the weakest link in my current setup." as long as I feel that way spending $1000+ (I think I could reuse the sight but everything else would need to be replaced) won't improve my shooting. This doesn't mean I'm not confident it just means I know the current reality of a few times at the range after over 10 years of not shooting at all.

[@bjhall3394]

Very true this is coming from a traditional archer

[@brandonw5506]

I've found that as long as the bow is tuned right the arrow quality is more of a determining factor for the accuracy

[@LatetotheGameOutdoors]

For sure! I've actually switched bows again (to an Elite Ritual) and it is tuned so well! Shooting it great, and it's been really obvious when a particular arrow is not cooperating!

[@nchrist4ever560]

Thank you

[@MrHuntNC]

Was the flyer with the bear a “flawed” arrow too? Or can we just argue that there is human error in archery?

[@johnkuchjr.]

I thought the same thing lol

[@joshuabartee8045]

I think he flinched a bit

[@alexkoutdoor]

Zinnngggg

[@MichaelPhillipsDesigns]

He pulled that shot obviously...

[@georgeupham7914]

Looked as the first two were closer than the expensive one.

[@heithwalsh5437]

Accuracy comes from a well tuned bow and good quality of arrows. You can't use two different types of arrows.

[@grasonicus]

This is a terrible test. Three arrows with each bow at each distance is far too small a sample space. Even twenty would be on the low side. You should also use the same arrows with each bow as well as the same kind of arrow rest and sight. Both bows should be set up perfectly. This is just terrible. One can draw no valid conclusions from it.

[@ChrisNobodySpecial]

Chris you are absolutely correct on all counts. No reason he could not have used the same arrows. And to be a fair test, like you said, he should have used the same type of rest and sight. And without tuning that old attitude, it is a completely flawed experiment. Who knows how much that bow has been jostled around and especially since it is no longer numero uno in his quiver. I like the content creator, he seems like a good man, but this test is hopelessly flawed. And Chris, you pointed out all the key factors to consider in a test or experiment like this. And you astutely pointed out that the statistical sample size was completely inadequate. Also, maybe the Bear Attitude was not the right bow to use in this comparison. What if he used an inexpensive Diamond SB-1 or an Infinite Edge. The SB-1 can be cranked up to 70 lbs and can be just as accurate as other 30" ATAs with an just a sight and rest upgrade.

[@ricardodelvalle9702]

Would have been nice to set them both to the same weight through a chrono as well. I've had two bows, same brand, "same draw" and still noticed one was at least a 1/4 inch longer then the other. I had to give the string on one a few more twist so they anchored exactly the same. To many factors not taken into account.

[@ejhalf1327]

Chris Malan why would u use the same arrows?? You can’t shoot a 340 grain arrow on a 70-80 pound bow

[@grasonicus]

@@ejhalf1327 This was a test for how accurate the bows shoot. To test the bows everything else should be the same - different arrows can give different results. To minimise the human variability one should have a big number of shots with each bow and take the average for each. These points are really very basic and easy to understand.

[@ejhalf1327]

Chris Malan well a lighter bow won’t shoot higher grain arrow!!

[@Xtermin8er86]

Accuracy is based on how well your bow is tuned and how consistent of a shooter you are, I shoot a diamond edge sb-1 and I get tighter groups from 30-50 yards than you did. (With my entry level bow) I don’t have to go spend $1000+ to feel confident. I disagree with this video and your statements 100%

[@brandonoswald9828]

IdahomeBassin I have the same bow the edge sb -1 and love it! It’s deadly and quiet for a cheaper bow

[@gorila1958]

I'm with ya I have an entry level Hoyt and some days I get excellent groups and other days I'm off . But true there is human error involved to some extent. #lovemyBow!!

[@spencerjohnson1499]

My first bow was a Hoyt powermax Its midrange onprice but I absolutely love it! I am still a rookie but I shoot 40 to 50 arrows a day prepping for this next years elk hunt

[@ASYSTOLE2277]

I have a Bear Salute and I have zero issues with my entry level bow it gets the job done at 65lb draw weight...I’ll save my pennies for a newer bow when the time feels right

[@robertminckler804]

I have a bear game over form 2009 and it still performs great and it’s highly accurate I completely disagree with this video

[@H8erade2058]

Dude, stick that whisker biscuit and sight on your Obsession bow, and swap the other accessories to the Bear bow then fling some arrows for a follow up video and see how much just the rest makes a huge difference. Not only that, but you're shooting a 340 spine with a 60# draw weight maxed out, could be an arrow tuning issue with the bow, and not a bow tuning issue.

[@maikp5505]

Legend has it that after this video he went back to shooting with the bear bow.

[@gavinharbath2553]

Dont forget about the horrible quality of arrows he was usin with the bear at 30 and 50 yds.It put a huge strain on accuracy

[@dbetzner3268]

Realistically the upgraded components could be the difference opposed to the bow. The same components on the Bear could tighten up its groups as well

[@joebird1400]

Thank you

[@letsgobrandon8375]

Or just getting it tuned and better arrows.

[@kyle4883]

All depends on how much you practice. My entry level $300 bow would out shoot those groups all day.

[@JAPena123]

i dont thumbs down many videos... i think this might be the first honestly.... i put thousands of arrows through my bear attitude was able to stack arrows at 80 yards after enough practice; switched to a hoyt defiant as my second bow, and able to do the same. you just have to be familiar with your equipment, and practice. that being said, where the difference lies is vibration, let off, and grip IMO. thats what sets them apart. an arrow will only shoot as straight as your technique will allow it to.

[@garrettromer8499]

Sounds like ur blowing urself. I call bs

[@brennenfitzgerald]

@@garrettromer8499 I don’t. I’ve shot my Attitude thousands of times, dropped over a dozen deer, and won a few 3D competitions. Also have a PSE Beast EXT that I’ve done pretty much the same with. The PSE is a little softer feeling, smoother draw, faster...... but accuracy? The accuracy is in the shooter 99% of the time. Heck, Jacob won a Lancaster event with stock strings and a borrowed release.

[@StickHippieOutdoors]

Good video, I tend to think the slightly better shooting with the Obsession is because it’s your current bow while the Bear doesn’t get shot as much. Also the higher end accessories probably helped a little. But I think you showed that a budget bow can get the job done

[@LatetotheGameOutdoors]

Thanks! Yes, the Bear is firmly a backup bow at this point. But, it did get the job done on my 2017 AZ bull, so it absolutely can be done with a budget bow!

[@theodorewood9784]

The shooter, arrow, release, bow and external conditions all affected the accuracy of any situation. Of course a better designed bow is more accurate. Even changing the rest from a buiscut to a drop away makes a noticeable difference. The question you SHOULD be asking is do you shoot better than your equipment will allow? Is it holding you back?

[@snoopdogg586]

Really cool video man, just getting into archery and I can't wait to purchase my first bow!

[@matthewlindsey7717]

Well it's been a year did you ever get your first bow if so how do you like it

[@AdaptiveApeHybrid]

I like how your presentation is straight forward and lacking fluff

[@billwhisnant8003]

tune the bear and use the good arrows and then compare the two. I used the same bow and switched to better arrows and got much tighter groups.

[@commentpolice1]

Bow hunting, where 1 inch is worth $ 1,000.00

[@timlong2291]

Bear bows are great. Put good equipment on it and it will perform like a high priced bow.

[@ctrtacoma02]

A high end bow definitely has the potential to make you a better shot, but being comfortable and confident with your bow is FAR more important then it’s price. You will shoot best with the bow you are used to and practice with. You do not need a pricey bow to have a great shot. If you don’t have the cash for a nice bow Craigslist is a great place to buy a fair priced used bow.

[@r1sabotage]

IDK about this theory... I have a bear Kuma and a Bear Wild. I only practice with the entry bow which is the bear Wild. I've brought the Wild to my Pro shop to be tunes and work on tuning it as well. For the like of me, I can't understand how I'm able to hit bullseyes shots at 50 yard with my Kuma and I just cant do it with my Wild. The group's on the kuma is super tight while the Wild is about a large pie plate size. IDK, I should be better with the wild but I'm not.

[@troytabanelli5474]

I always found that the more expensive the bow the quieter it is which makes a world of difference

[@notshared4072]

Yeah. Video should've focused on feel and intangibles instead of performance metrics that were improperly tested.

[@bender4292]

Do a test with ALL the equipment needed next time. Your test had no way of being accurate right from the start

[@FrankEgyed]

Thank you for taking the time to try to answer a question we all ask, however the only way to compare apples with apples - the third arrow from the cheap bow was the 6th shot, which for me is always wobbly. Plus given the slight sky-draw required to draw the expensive bow indicates it's at or slightly above your draw limit. So the only way to eliminate the muscles tiring factor, is to shoot one arrow alternating bows each shot. But thanks again for taking the time ! Edit - or shoot the cheap bow first, and the expensive one last

[@marvinmullet6362]

Hey, the guy started out with a entry-level bow shot a nice elk, and then worked his way up in my experience the higher in bows will increase accuracy long range. Better to be in the woods with a cheap bow when not to be in the woods at all. I think a foolproof test would have been if both those had been shot out of a machine to eliminate all human error

[@carlosgaztelucabral8061]

I think you were subconsciously concentrating less on your shot with the cheaper bow. Seemed like you were just flinging them with the bear

[@mountainmetalhead15]

I own the bear attitude and it’s dead on at 60 yds . I love the fact it’s lite and it’s kills !!! Awesome vid 🤘🏻

[@LatetotheGameOutdoors]

Thanks man! I still keep the Bear around as a perfectly viable backup bow! And yes, it is CRAZY-light!

[@austin72]

That's all that matters brother

[@FastSloW-qt8xf]

You grouped like 20 yards with both bows with 3 arrows. Maybe the archer needs some practice

[@williamholsomback5219]

proper spine on the arrow and tip weight will pull those groups tighter

[@paulfarley9055]

It matters to a point, but it's definitely down to shooter experience and not the bow 90% of the time. Awesome video man.

[@GaryLiseo]

There’s also the factors of both bows using different arrows, which goes into inexpensive vs. higher end equipment (as was being explored), and draw weight differences. As I’m sure you know, the higher your draw weight, the faster and more accurate your arrows will shoot

[@SlyFox_Camaro]

My first bow was the exact same thing, Bear Archery Attitude was a great bow

[@JimmyMakingitwork]

Appreciate the effort that went into making this video. From the ones i’ve watched it seems like a cheaper bow is great while learning, even after. High end bows seem to be made for bow snobs, or people with an endless supply of cash. It also appears that bow videos take a ton of criticism...from other “experts.”

[@LatetotheGameOutdoors]

HAHAHA...yeah, this one blew up and EVERYONE has an opinion on it! Since this video, I've actually moved on to an Elite Ritual, which I shoot way better than either of the two in this video. But, at the end of the day, that $400 Bear bow did kill an elk at 53 yards, so it's absolutely capable of getting the job done!

[@Sheribahadur67]

@@LatetotheGameOutdoors I know this is a year later but it gave me time to evaluate my experience as I bought a lower end diamond infinite edge pro, mainly because I had taken a long break, had shoulder surgery on both shoulders and needed a bow I could adjust the weight on. The SB1 is probably a bit better made. However, you cannot compare the cheaper bows to the higher end bows as its not apples to apples. Will a cheaper bow get the job done? Yes, but for how long? It depends. A lot of it does go into the type of arrow used and how it is tuned to that bow. However, my bow did blow up on me after 5 years of use. I would say that it was worth it and if I needed to be economic, I would buy another one. Will I buy another cheaper bow? No. I am a firm believer in you get what you pay for. Why? Well most of the cheaper bows are not the faster IBO bows. Why does that matter? I think it helps when you want to shoot beyond 60 yards. Out West Elk hunting I have had to let elk go by as they were 70 or more yards away. Meanwhile other guys hunting in my area are shooting elk in the chest at 80 yards. Not an easy shot. The point of this is, is that the more expensive bows shoot at higher speeds which with the right arrow combination flattens your trajectory making you capable of taking longer shots without as much arrow drop and more KE when it hits its target. The materials of the cheaper bows are different also. Most of the cheaper bows parts are not made with the same materials as the more expensive bows. Now, I know Obsession has one bow that pretty much uses all the same materials as all the high end bow users, but it is still a bargain. That would be the HB33, but I can't find one out West where I can shoot one and decide for myself. Also, whisker biscuit versus a drop arrow rest is definitely not an apples to apples comparison. A cheap bow with a whisker biscuit shot out of a tree stand at deer at 20 yards is not the same as shooting an elk from the ground at 60+ yards. What I'm saying is if you are shooting closer ranges out of a tree stand, then yes a cheaper bow will definitely get the job done.

[@aaroncowan9832]

I use an old bear pioneer with the basic accessories and the bear paradox with all the nice drop away rest and expensive arrows and I honestly like the cheap pioneer more! Its whatever weighs right in your hands and what is turned to you the best!

[@ambrosekillpack4841]

Draw weight will absolutely make a difference. You said the cheap bow tops out at 40 pounds but if your high end bow can do a whopping 70 pounds then your arrows will definitely fly a lot flatter and get more range. Most bows these days even on the cheaper end can be set to 70 pounds of draw weight though so, I think a more fair comparison would be to something like a blackout intrigue xt, where the thing is a full poundage bow.

[@TXswampdonkey]

Here are my issues with this. 1 are the draw weights the same. That absolutely will make a difference. 2 In order for this to truly be objective same arrows shouldnhave been used. This was less about bows and more about packages. This is the equivalent of trying to compare a v6 sports car with wore out brakes and tires to a v8 sports car with a full race suspension.

[@seabass22]

An actually decent test would make all attachments and arrows the same and just change the bow.

[@WayneJohn-fq6cn]

Was just gonna say that

[@limerickfile30]

....and have them both tuned to the best of their capabilities

[@landonbragg6732]

No that’s a part of the bow he wanted to shot cheap vs expensive

[@reaganriddle]

To everybody complaining: I started shooting a bear, and honestly I wasn’t good at using it. I thought “maybe I will upgrade to an elite.” I shoot 2-3 inch groups instead of 12.

[@Tony-zp8xn]

Fishtailing arrows? I'm no expert, but that sounds like an arrow tuning issue. Can't argue that a nicer bow helps, but for some there might be a greater argument to put the money toward nicer arrows and tuning them properly. That will probably get you more bang for your buck in the accuracy department. If there's anything I've learned with getting into archery, as you said, you can go with a less expensive bow, however, arrows are not the place to skimp.

[@russellchaney293]

Tuning is everything

[@derekwiffen1115]

The cheaper bow was obviously not set up as well and that has affected group size. If the arrows aren’t flying well, they won’t group well. Also if the draw weights are not the same then again a couple of pound will make a real difference. Always invest in the best gear you can afford. Good gear generally feels better and you enjoy shooting it and owning it more. Pay for good arrows they really are worth it.

[@ToxicityAssured]

So, you are saying the cheap bow had three disadvantages (set up, arrows and draw weight) and still landed just as clean a kill shot group at the much more expensive bow? The expensive bow is better. Is it worth it though? It's not for me.

[@trevrawlings9020]

I call BS - get some new arrows and set both bows up then shoot them with a a hooter shooter. Quality is important and most of the times dollars = quality but a cheap well tuned bow can still shoot very well.

[@erichinkle7151]

I've shot alot of arrows and totally understand. I also mark my arrows. It doesn't matter how good you are the arrow does matter

[@LatetotheGameOutdoors]

Amen! Once one gets a bad fletching or bends...there's no saving it!

[@carlosgaztelucabral8061]

Obviously, you have to shoot well. But straight flyers are a very weighty factor

[@brentbusick2245]

Late to the Game Outdoors once one gets a bad fletching there’s no saving it? Really? How about refletch it?

[@Ranger_k16]

This goes for anything, if it's something you're going to spend any amount of time with, BUY ONCE, CRY ONCE. You're going to spend more in the long run buying multiple cheaper/lower end items then just buying what you shoulve in the first place.

[@laserbeam-fx9qv]

With you comment that you can see the arrows leaving the Bear bow fish tailing it makes me wonder if the Bear bow is tuned to the same degree as the Obsession. Shooting a bare shaft arrow from both bows at a target setup at shoulder height from 10-20 yards is a good way to check the tune of each bow. That being said nice video though I would have to say it’s not a valid comparison.

[@vectraB97]

I've had whisker biscuit rest on my bear attitude. I could never get it to shoot very consistently. I swapped to drop away rest and my grouping was instantly way better. It made a far greater improvement than I expected.

[@kaidenchadwick2853]

The bear bow is just as good

[@jhenson5168]

I wonder if it's really just the difference between the sight pin size. And your fishtail issue with the bear can be solved by moving your whisker biscuit to the right. Fletching is lightly smacking that housing on the right side causing it to veer left and high

[@dakotachadwick7952]

It’s not the bow it’s you 😂😂

[@gapperformance]

Great video! Just getting into bow hunting and don’t want to break the bank until I realize I’m committed :)

[@alden466]

I have a properly tuned 2018 bear species shooting 562 grain 340 spine killin stix arrows and shot a tighter group while sighting in my bow from 30,40, and 50 yards.

[@garymartin5990]

I've went from a darton yukon xt to the new bear vast rth the darton Yukon is cartons high end bow the bear vast is a entry level bow. My groupings are much tighter and I'm able to reach out there 60 yards and stay in a 5 inch pattern . Let's be honest here 5 inch pattern at 60 yards is pretty good especially when the critical vitals of a white tail are in a pattern of about 16 inches ( good arrows good sight good aim good rest.) Is what makes the bow

[@JacobsTrash]

I just bought one of those bear bows from a thrift store for $20 case and all + arrows I won't complain it's my first bow. 🏹

[@GuroJeromeTeague]

I shot better at 80 yards with a Diamond SB1 than I do with my Hoyt Hyperforce. Grip difference and weight was the culprit. I went with Hoyt because of their warranty, reputation, and durability. I shot through 2 sets of limbs on the diamond because I shoot.... A lot! I am a firm believer of shooting what works for the shooter, brand and price are secondary factors. I am thinking of giving a PSE Carbon Stealth 35 a try because I like the light weight and grip orientation (more straight up and down). I think the difference between the drop away rest on the Matthew's vs the whisker biscuit on the Bear really biased this in favor of Matthew's. Fletching contact will 100% open up your group at distance as was seen in your results.

[@tonstruck5873]

yeah... this video was pointless... I own a Bear Species and im plum at 60 yds... at this point I can't justify tripling the price of what I have to buy a Hoyt or another high end bow.

[@joegalyan]

Brian Fletcher same here. I shoot a Bear Authority and I shoot MOA or Sub MOA for what my pins are set at with Beman arrows and a entry level Trophy Ridge sight.

[@toddduffell8477]

Been shooting a bear agenda 6 since 2015 and have outshot many many hoyts Matthew's and pse at the local 3d shoots

[@Andylismore76]

I have a mathews z7 ....bought a bear species after shooting my brothers....beautiful bow.

[@brentbusick2245]

I shoot a Motive 7. I like it

[@ieatcaribou7852]

Gotta say I’m hoping he’s changed his position on this or maybe it’s honestly true for him. For me however my Bear Attitude is the most accurate bow of my 3, the other 2 being much more expensive and meant to replace my 8 year old bow. Granted my other 2 shoot a mere fraction larger group and I’ve taken deer with them both, but in a game where accuracy is king I continue going back to my Attitude. Also, shooting bows with different draws make it difficult to put head to head. The higher draw weight now will have a flatter trajectory and be more forgiving.

[@randyerdmann3828]

You need to work on your draw. Watch any Nock On archery videos and see how you should be pulling back. Looks to me like 60 lbs is too much for you. Think what happens when the d loop breaks and you are pointing your bow in the air on the draw. That's a liability waiting to happen. Plus you are now showing people who want to get into archery improper form if they watch your video.

[@mikefinto4048]

Definitely I'm 16 I pull 60lb but I've watched videos how to draw with elbow high and have no issue's

[@gregp7379]

A cheap bow after a while will feel your pulling a sandy string through your teeth when you draw. And yes I have had it checked by the shop. Drawing a Mathews was a smooth as butter.

[@daveburrow5831]

I gave been archery shooting for over 30 yrs. I've shot 3D and hunted white tail, hogs and turkeys all of those years. I've had, and still have entry level and flagship bows from most every manufacturer on some point. Practice, proper tune, proper arrow set up and practice, all contribute. The arrows contribute more than the bow. We all have the human error aspects affecting our archer shooting. Some days mote than others. Just my HMO and my 2 cents worth..

[@nickgamble4544]

My third arrow missed entirely. No you missed entirely. Tuning issue yes so you didn’t properly set up your bow so that makes the bow less effective? Also you can take a cheap bow out on good sights and a good rest and drive tacks at 60 yards

[@Well_Edumacated]

Damn talk about a shitty day. you just get done not getting eating by wolves and decide to take a nap then a Homo Sapien puts an arrow through your lung, lol.

[@booomznooodle]

Put little bit more weight on the stabilization. I think this could make your experience with the obsession even better.

[@12jazion]

So basically, when you miss with an expensive bow you blame the arrow and when you miss with a cheap bow you blame the bow. I have seen someone shoot 1.25" groups at 50 yards with a 190 dollar Chinese bow and that was a 12 arrow group, accuracy has more to do with the arrows and the operator than it has with the bow.

[@theoldboy70]

I couldn't get a 50 yard shot anywhere that I archery hunt nor would I be confident enough to try it while hunting, this guy is better than me anyway. Congrats to you sir.

[@jeremyc3431]

Been shooting a bear authority since 2015 and I can stack them. I will never spent that much money on a bow.

[@simonndames3749]

Few things to note. The bear has been lying for a very long time. You could have some string stretch which in turn affects your cam timing and lean whereas you probably keep the obsession in tune as it's your daily bow. If comparing bows you also cant have them setup with different stabs and arrow rests as that makes a big difference which is not a bow test but rather equipment test. Last thing is your arrows, the most important thing on the entire test as their spine and straightness would have the biggest effect of all on accuracy. I would suggest set both bows to same poundage, fine tune both so cam timing and lean is perfect, drop the stabs, set whiskers on both and use the same set of arrows. Then we have a real test. I have a Bowtech fanatic 2 and Matthew's craze and shooting them with the same equipment attached and arrows my grouping are very near the same

[@royleerobinson5]

I think at hunting distances you can absolutely get it done with some pretty cheap setups. And there is a lot to be said about simplicity in the woods. I’ve been a shoot my v3x for the last year. I still prefer the draw cycle of my bear attitude. It’s only 30fps slower with my hunting arrows than the Mathews. There is no doubt in the conditions of target shooting the Mathews is a tack driver tho but really inside of 50 yards it’s not much different in the lens of animal killing.

[@1RobHunter1]

If you are not hitting bullseye at 50yds, don't blame the bow. If you get one arrow grouping out of norm, rotate the arrow nock to other fletch as it is out of tune spine compared to others flying strait and grouping. If that won't work, ditch that one arrow.

[@royking4076]

This statement does not apply to hunting because you can kill a deer with a stick. I started with a Diamond and for years I felt like there was always something missing, I tried arrows, rests, stabilizers, and even paid for some tuning at a shop. It wasn't until recently when I purchased a V3 31 that it clicked, I did not feel like I was chasing that sweet spot and even on my worst shots it was so forgiving. I say yes to the expensive bow vs cheap bow just from my experience.

[@John-mz5jy]

Respectfully, This is apples to oranges. There were no constants except the fact that it was the same shooter. If you want to see the difference between an expensive bow and a budget bow then you should be using the same arrows, rest, stabilizer, etc...

[@michaelbolin9334]

The reason it fishtails is because the workers on the wiser brisket is creating drag on the arrow and the arrow rest needs to be adjusted to the left slightly.i had the same problem and I done away with the wiser brisket and went to a drop away now I don't have that problem I never liked a wiskerbisket because of that

[@spetzie5]

Bought 4 different flagship bows over the years. Sold them when I had kids since I didn't have time. Decided recently to get back into it but didn't want to spend a fortune. Bought the diamond edge 320 for $500 aud bare bow. I still had decent accessories at home that I put on the 320. I shoot just as good and most times better with this budget bow than I did with the other 4 flagships I've owned. Never again will I buy a $1000 aud plus bow again! With the way these budget bows shoot these days, there simply no need to throw extra money away.

[@gorila1958]

That being said sir I do get it . And regardless how tight groupings are it's going to be 1 shot at the time when your hunting that really needs to count . But a great point . A world class Billiards player can absolutely make an inexpensive pool cue sing . It's about the shooter with the Bow if he can work with what he has . I myself have a starter Bow ( Hoyt ) But the newer technology I'm getting some tight groups at 30 - 40 yards and I have my good days and other days not . So I can only hope when the shot happens I can seal the Deal !!

[@kylewilkey1537]

A big difference too is the accessories you put on a bow the stock parts on the bear are a lot cheaper than the ones on the obsession if you put the same accessories on the difference wouldn’t be as bad cause your bow is only as good as the tools you put on it

[@LatetotheGameOutdoors]

A very solid point!!!

[@JohnnyP_outdoors]

You hammered that Elk cheap bow or not .

[@meateaterwhitetail7291]

High end bows perform way better than the cheap bow. The cheap bow will kill a deer too. But it's all up to how much you want to spend. If you're a serious bowhunter. I'd recommend high end. But if you have budget issues. Cheap bows

[@polodeamon718387]

Good idea but for any future tests you may want to consider really thinking about what you're testing. If you're comparing bows then the arrows/tips should be the same out of both, same poundage set for both, same accessories (or accessories that provide similar results), etc with the bows themselves (and string/cables) really being the only change. Just my two cents.

[@jessecarroll7847]

Looks to me like your anchor point is a little high. Try pulling the bow back with your eyes closed and set your index finger knuckle right at your earlobe. I think that will help with your bent wrist.

[@boomersadventures]

Noticed your grip on the bow is way to tight should get yourself a sling it will help you float a bit better and get better groupings anyway great vid comparison

[@johnmounce8341]

Watching this, with the high end bow, definitely seemed more stable than the affordable bow. Maybe a better stabilizer. Be interesting to see the difference

[@MrHui55]

I hope you are okay with constructive criticism. Focus on keeping your bow steady with your follow through. That alone will change a lot while grouping. I notice everytime you release, your bow kicks back more than normal and that will change your initial shot dramatically. Hope to hear your insight.

[@alanhart4619]

You need to learn how to properly draw a bow back. By the looks of the way that you draw both bows back you are over bowed (to much draw weight).

[@70sztom]

An mid entry level bow with decent quality rest, sight etc can do absolutely high perfomance,with mid price well tuned shafts to ,builded to high FOC.

[@coreysparks3022]

Need to have the same draw weight and shoot the same arrows from each bow for this to be an accurate or fair comparison.

[@p4nda688]

Please fix your draw back stance great video but you’ll injure your shoulder like that

[@markopesic357]

Earlier I saw archer shoting better from an old cheap bow then with new one more expensive just because he had shot out more time out of the cheap one.

[@kkhalifah1019]

Expensive gear may give you a better overall experience, but whether or not you shoot better is largely dependent on your skill and your shooting form (provided the gear meets basic requirements i.e. you're not shooting cheap arrows with insufficient spine for your draw weight).

[@reidgb]

Nice video bud I just upgraded to a used Matthew's from an old browning and found it made aworld of difference for me being a pretty new archer

[@LatetotheGameOutdoors]

Thanks! I tend to not be a "let's throw new gear at the problem" kind of guy, but I have been amazed at what a quality bow can do to improve your shooting overnight!

[@seanburns4632]

Well i say you will need to go back to the old bow till you can get a good group not saying i am the best by any means but i have found no difference is 1400$ bows and 500$ bows in the shot its uo to the shot that makes the moer expensive bow worth more putting the arrow down range is all up to you

[@richardtrowell8812]

When you have a group that big at 30 yards. With either bow. There's a problem. Should be one inch consistently. Don't think he practiced or shoots either bow regularly.

[@jordanl5628]

I sure hope your form is alot better now than when this video was shot. Your draw is that of a beginner and your release is rather rough.

[@ElliotFriend]

Way to cherry-pick your data, bro 🤣

[@LatetotheGameOutdoors]

Cherry-pick, nothing!!! It would have been less of an accurate comparison to include the arrow that was clearly flawed (it sailed completely over the target in two attempted groups before that one, while the other two arrows were dialed in just like that group I ended up measuring). But to your point, yes, it would have been more scientific to go buy another box of arrows and run two true 3-shot groups...but who has time and money for that?! :)

[@richandkidarcheryandoutdoo4372]

@@LatetotheGameOutdoors lol. Your 50 yard groups were better than your 30. How does that work?

[@LatetotheGameOutdoors]

@@richandkidarcheryandoutdoo4372 It works when you accidentally have better shot-execution at 50 than you did at 30:)

[@sharkson7725]

Late to the Game Outdoors sorry man but I don’t know if I would call that shot execution

[@dmc31405]

Maybe Elliot will step up and do an archery video, and show us how its supposed to be done. 🤣🤣🤣

[@MegaTroyhamilton]

I buy what I can afford, many nice bows in the pawn shop. I'm just learning, or relearning after 5 years of no bow

[@LatetotheGameOutdoors]

Whatever works, man! I'm a big fan of shooting the bow you shoot best...I'm actually rocking a different bow than either of these two now:)

[@madman432000]

The title wasn't "Shooting 2 professionally tuned bows, one entry level and one premium level". And I agree the sample size is way too small. Maybe shoot three groups from each bow over several days and average them.

[@stevehuffman7453]

You are aware that the 3 or 5 pin sight can be repkaced/upgraded with a sight of your choice with from 1 to 7 pins in only a couple minutes, and a whisker buscuit arrow rest can be replaced dropdown rest in under 5 minutes, right? My Diamond Archery Razor Edge came with a whisker buscuit rest. I upgraded to a limb actuated dropdown rest. I also upgraded the 5 pin sight with a long arm HHC single pin sight. The original sights and arrow rests are not perminant. They can be and are upgraded all the time. A friend bought a new Bear bow for $1500.wgile I was at the proshop using their indoor 20 yard range. I outshot him with my several year old discontinued "beginner" bow, that I bought used, both paper targets and the electronic hunting game. Cost of the bow doesn't make you a better shot. I was getting just as many, if not more 9's and 10's with the used Razor Edge I paid something like $150 for as the league guys using multi-thousand dollar Olympic compound bows with all the target shooting specific bells and whistles. (3 stabilizers, better sights, etc. ... oh, they were using high end competition releases that cost more than my bow did when it was new, too.)

[@jonpatterson5668]

Not wanting to start an argument but watching you shoot .. I think you're about an inch over drawn ... that release wrist needs to be flatter .. you're reaching for the trigger I shot a bear like that and could shoot ping pong balls at 30 yards just offering some advice to try

[@johnsonb909]

This video isn't actually comparing the bows when using 2 different quality arrows. If you were to run the same arrows through both bows, then you would have the "bow comparison".

[@jpftwson54]

We watched a 10 minute video, a dozen arrows seems like a small sample.

[@keithhill8735]

Why not mention BEFORE you started shooting that your #1 arrow shoots higher. Instead of waiting until you had a flyer?

[@gabrielmenard7484]

I know a bad saw with a Diablo blade cuts anything. Add to what you have and it gets better