Architect vs. Framer: The Heated Debate!

[@MichaelJ674]

I like the cars driving backwards at 13:50 😂. Good editing, Spielberg!

[@cackmuffin]

I need to start posting our foundation work. I've taken pictures over the years but never had time or desire for videos. It's time to show you all how it's done.

[@kylegray6390]

Can you share briefly in future videos , when you start a new project your process for take off, site organizing and prep not for civil work but to start framing efficiently. Thanks

[@wchdb4476]

Always interesting on how building is done across the USA. I really like your channel. You have more time and energy than I do to be able to do physically demanding work and produce videos. I went to your Amazon store and would like to make a recommendation on rain gear. You cannot put a price on quality rain gear. We use KUIU and Sitka brands. We do frame projects in SE Alaska and on some of the islands in northern Puget sound every year. There is nothing like staying dry and comfortable. It's flexible enough to allow free movement. We also quit using extendable levels. The longest level we have now is 8'. which works good for 8 to 10 feet walls. We use lasers for everything else and for layout from the foundation on up. We still use a framing square for laying out rafters (it's the way I was taught). Like you we added Max high pressure nail guns to our arsenal. The only problem is we cannot find 304 or 316 stainless steel nails over 3 1/2" long. We use lots of stainless steel in SE Alaska and everywhere else located next to saltwater. My favorite part of my job now is teaching others. I encourage my employees to start businesses when they are ready. There is enough work to go around and it's really satisfying to watch people you have taught mature, grow, and carry on the tradition. Keep up the great work and sharing your experiences.

[@emilechap8573]

Love the video. Very funny. Good content also.👍👍😂😂😂

[@stevenbaczekarchitect9431]

tHANKS FOR JOINING IN

[@johnvan8852]

West coast uses the same panels and baskets. Did concrete in 2005 and we had same panels and we had baskets to set panels on the inside.

[@mcchupka9718]

Unfortunately, most of us cannot afford to build a cheap, sub-par house let alone build it “right” using proper materials and construction techniques so overbuilding is really hard to do, even if you’re a DIY-er but sometimes that is simpler than deviating from “prescriptive” methods and paying for an architect or engineer. I believe that builders and building has become so ungodly expensive because the COST of “time” is either ignored, misunderstood, not factored appropriately, or isn’t honored by builders. I call it improper construction management because a house should not ever take more than 26 weeks to build, even if it is custom or ICF. The problem is, GCs don’t manage well and don’t/won’t/can’t hold their subs and trades accountable to stay on/ahead of schedule.

[@steveharkins279]

On my way to Jekyll Island to drown myself in the best of the best architect’s of the 20 th century from NY & Chicago. Will send you picks Tim.

[@davidjgarner3242]

Embodied Energy Analysis needs to be a requirement for all undertakings.

[@TheThuggyM]

My dad hates architects so I became one since he never loved me anyway. I’m still waiting you know for someone to teach me how to put a jimmy on or how to tie a tie but you’re like my dad they way you’ve taught me how to work like a man sometimes so thanks dad

[@tdotw77]

Wow....that's pretty deep

[@TheThuggyM]

@ thanks bro it came out of my heart

[@MichaelJ674]

@@TheThuggyM Funniest comment yet for those of us twisted enough to fully appreciate it!! 😂😂😂

[@GTL77]

The road trip 😂😂

[@michaelanderson9626]

Insert short joke ”is that the Tom Cruise of framing?”

[@millennialcarpenter1784]

Looks like the North Shore Boston to me, but that’s only because that’s where I work in build houses

[@profish71]

So how many yards of concrete was there?

[@williamdemilia6223]

130 , my guess .

[@tdotw77]

63 yds in walls, 25 in footers....it was shown in the text message screen shot

[@profish71]

@ thank you didn’t see it

[@michaelmaas5544]

Just framed a house with a block foundation they cored every cell and used 95 yards.

[@steveharkins279]

William Rockefeller put a second floor brick chimney over his wife’s first floor 4 ft by 6 foot window,you have to see it to believe it.

[@thormatteson7141]

That's a magical foundation from an engineering standpoint. No way you could justify stabilizing an 11-foot tall wall with just a wood-framed floor system. I'm sure it "works' (otherwise would not be in the prescriptive code) but what is your safety factor? Plus the walls that are parallel to the framing don't have anything to stabilize them (unless you have dropped beams on pretty close spacing). I like being able to tell my clients "This wall is designed following engineering principles based on your site conditions, and has a safety factor of 1.5" Tim, your walls with rebar at 12" o.c. will resist cracking far better than those enormously thick, under-reinforced walls. The American Concrete Institute (ACI) has minimum recommendations for "shrinkage and temperature" steel. Your walls meet those recommendations, Steve's don't.

[@stevenbaczekarchitect9431]

The tall walls are reinforced vertically

[@thormatteson7141]

@@stevenbaczekarchitect9431 Yeah, I know--there's just not enough vertical steel (among other things) to satisfy my engineer's brain. But my engineer's brain is not located on the East Coast ;-) Carry on!

[@thormatteson7141]

I just remembered the video is "Architect vs. Framer", so as an engineer I'm gonna step aside ;-)

[@AwesomeFramers]

Our engineer was first a concrete and steel guy for 20 years, then moved into resi. He just retired fully at 81. Prescriptively here, we are about the same as Terry spec'd in the b roll I added. But the footings were much larger for exactly the reasons you mentioned. Next time, we'll do "An Architect a Framer and a Structural Engineer Walk into a Bar"..........would actually be so much fun to film and edit.

[@steveharkins279]

Can’t rav enough about “Radon” systems, not for the Radon removal, but for the dryness of the basement, drying the crete from the bottom. Any basement with Radon system,,,, does not stink..

[@mikeinmaryland]

Ready-Mix trucks used to be 9yards. Hence the saying, give ‘em the whole nine yards. I think fabric material is 9 yards in a roll as well.

[@philspd473]

Actually that saying came from the length of the belt holding machine gun rounds.

[@mikeinmaryland]

@ 👍🏼 I never heard that one. Very interesting.

[@steveharkins279]

In the north east, the Mexicans have the forms up by lunch, pouring by 1pm, and forms gone by lunch the next day.. Good luck with that.

[@curtisfulton1442]

But are they straight poured walls, the ones around my area can't read a tape or pour straight walls

[@markevely1583]

Interesting height difference between them. 😊

[@AwesomeFramers]

We are auditioning for the Twins sequel

[@markdalton55]

Buncha goofball nerds! 🥹😂❤️

[@hpw59]

hey..you stole that .."185 lbs. of twisted steel and sex appeal" from me😂 j/k

[@AwesomeFramers]

I actually stole it from Sean Drummond, the main character in the Brian Haig novels. He was hilarious

[@eileenklingenberg9163]

Yeah I gained too much confidence from building a shed with my dad

[@mikethomas3069]

I live in New England... No ☀️ around here 😂

[@troycantrell1549]

to bad they wont specify at the beginning the location of the project,

[@AwesomeFramers]

Mass

[@hpw59]

87yards guessing @ 12:12 in video

[@johnm.515]

California corner has left the chat.

[@Doodooheadguy-fishing]

I hate cali corners. And I'm in California. Throw a 4x6 or stud block stud. Call it macaroni

[@Zachary_333]

We all know east coast is best 😉

[@petebusch9069]

So where was the heated debate?

[@AwesomeFramers]

This was heated. My heart rate got to 50

[@MichaelJ674]

😂😂😂

[@danielalonso9745]

Lacha una genialidad ,la economía de permiso. La desregulacion es abrir la jaula a los pájaros, pero tanto tiempo encerrados no nos damos cuenta que se abrió. Falta más difusión del microrigi y sus ventajas. Sos un gran difusor bajas a tierra todo, como lo del equilibrio, coincido. No aflojes no hay salida sin difusión. Abrazó buen 2025!!!

[@ricklenox6926]

70 yards

[@Canadarian]

Hijinks are fantastic hahaha

[@stevenbaczekarchitect9431]

we had fun

[@aragustin]

the slabless slab lol

[@Political-du8yd]

18:08 You guys are too funny

[@granterickson9294]

He must have been really upset- it ended to video 😮

[@Casmige]

What do you mean there’s nothing good of it. You could’ve salvaged all the wood, windows, & what-not instead of just dumping it all in the landfill

[@profish71]

I was thinking 105 lol

[@petebusch9069]

He never mentioned ONE thing wrong with the house they tore down, all he said it was bad. If that doesn't sound like a guy trying to sell something I don't know what does, talk about a red flag.

[@AwesomeFramers]

You can find more of that explanation on the Build Show series.

[@MichaelJ674]

@petebusch9069 That’s a remarkable leap of of logic based on a thimble full of information. Now that’s what I call a red flag!

[@lrc87290]

Interesting funny video but you guys definitely have too much spare time.

[@stevenbaczekarchitect9431]

I have none.....

[@lrc87290]

@stevenbaczekarchitect9431 I bet

[@AwesomeFramers]

I have zero spare time this is work. Seriously, its work, but its so fun!!

[@MichaelJ674]

Guess he doesn’t realize how much work it takes to create good content, even when you’re having fun 😊. Keep up the good work, boys. I hope you continue to do more Twins videos.

[@lrc87290]

@@AwesomeFramers it was sorta tongue in cheek