The Sabbat Worlds Crusade! Attacking Ouranberg! And The Cry of The Larisel

[@robertbodell55]

44:00 I feel Arch is being overly unfair to Gaunt since he has neglected to explain that the presence of the blood pack survivors using Tanith uniforms taken from dead troopers for the sabotage scheme created reasonable doubt towards Cuu's guilt, since one of the blood pack could have been responsible the crime.

[@Rockcrusher22895]

Very true and it also took another outsider in the form of a old priest that Gaunt had picked up from Hegia as a spiritual support for the regiment who finally told Gaunt about the act he was putting on by favoring the Tanith over the Verghast recruits.

[@Benthesniperof8]

Arch's inquisitor persona which is narrating, has a deliberate bias infused into the narrator. Imagine this series as a log of inquisitorial evidence for a conclave meeting of inquisitors to refer to as a trial/conclusive decision is made about the events of the sabbat worlds crusade.

[@deens51]

It is an inquisitor's job to always see the bad in people, regardless of the circumstance. "Innocence Proves Nothing"

[@blazichaos7181]

Tbh i do think its an unfortunate part of arch playing a "role" of an inquisitor explaining information, while extremely fun, interesting and very immersive, also means 1. an inquisitor being biased, no surprise, but also 2. Trying to figure out what would be "appropriate" for the inquisition to have records of, with the final tinge of logically the "inquisitor" wouldn't know what gaunt would be thinking. I think there's been a few situation where you can just tell arch is thinking as hard as possible to how the inquisition would know certain things, even just going "the inquisition are sneaky lil buggers" if the information is too great to keep secret, like the prophecy that gaunt learned from the psyker.

[@NewGuy2534]

Fun Fact: Mkoll played hide and seek with veteran White Scars for a week, beating them, and tricking them with phony explosives. Their khan thought it was hilarious.

[@NetMoverSitan]

KHAN!!! (Echoes)

[@robertlayer6287]

Yet another reason I love the white scars

[@anthonylulham3473]

Lol it wasn't white scars it was one white scar one iron hand and one ithican brother (I can't remember the chapter, iron snakes?) the story is "killbox"

[@MrPlainsflyer]

It's a good day when upper leadership acknowledges that the regiments specialties may be there to exploit and not avoid

[@Rockcrusher22895]

Von Voytz was one of the more competent generals whom Gaunt and his Ghosts had fought under and knew who to use them correctly (all be it until a certain battleground in the future)

[@MrPlainsflyer]

@Rockcrusher22895 yes. Voytz is the best general I've read so far in the books.

[@imapopo2924]

Oan Mkoll and Commisar Ciaphus Cain have one thing in common (aside from being badasses): Never assume them dead.

[@codyopperman5930]

Assume him to *be* death

[@MidWanker-Minis]

And he was 50 in the first book. Making him late 60’s by time of end book.

[@TheOrdomalleus666]

27:05 Thunderbolts and Lightnings, very very frightening. 😂

[@sevetar69]

Galileo, Galileo, Galileo, Figaro...

[@gorvarhadgarson5227]

Magnificooooo ​@@sevetar69

[@twilightgryphon]

Some poor guardsman: "I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me..."

[@Benthesniperof8]

R.I.P "Try Again" Brag. You will be avenged.

[@shrubby-ov4yw]

He had a damn good run. He should have bit the dust at the Shrinehold, and he nearly got chomped by the chaos beast with the Eldar. His luck was going to run out eventually, and unfortunately this was it. But he went out like a fucking boss, as he deserved.

[@jadenprice1463]

@@shrubby-ov4yw Lijah 'Fething' Cuu be damned.

[@richardmyhan3369]

😢

[@spamhonx56]

*edit- this was written before i got to the end of the video and realised i was talking about the same guy* It's the guy who dies in one of the next books that saddened me, the big possibly half-ogryn guy who gets killed by the sketchy verghast guy after Gaunt's spent a whole trial establishing they aren't sure he killed anyone... can't remember the names, been many years since i read the book.

[@shrubby-ov4yw]

@@spamhonx56 not sure if trolling or being genuine. The half ogryn IS Brag

[@Rockcrusher22895]

And Cuu's supposed 'innocence' would come back to hit the Tanith First hard the coming future

[@_-JonDoe-_]

39 seconds? The last time I came this early I became a father

[@quigglebert]

That made me burst out, well played

[@musicninja98]

Lmao.

[@jameskerley1911]

A joke like that on a video from Arch. I love you good sir.

[@frankthetank8050]

You won the internet today my friend 😂👍🏾

[@malaficus]

Good joke.

[@captainteutonica5474]

So good, I'm going to have to watch the last video again and then rewatch this. Please never stop, you're the Mark Twain of 40k lore.

[@Yandarval]

U90 Slugthrower sounds a lot like a Thompson Sub machine gun. A 0.45 calibre bullet in a drum mag.

[@TheFirefist13]

That's pretty badass tbh

[@Psychoangel-d23]

considering it´s a heavy weapon, i wouldnt be surprised if that 45 is a full sized rilfe round. ... that´d be a terrifying thompson smg

[@Yandarval]

@ A rifle round 0.45 on auto must a bitch to fire. Never mind doing a mag dump.

[@youngthinker1]

Honestly, where is Gaunt's senior NCO? A First Sergeant would of nail most of the nonsense within the troops, to free up Gaunt's time to focus on the war itself.

[@Rudeljaeger]

Congrats you noticed Black Library authors dont know military. Also see how big WH40K planetary battles have less casualities than random WW2 skirmishes

[@marshalledelen4687]

@@Rudeljaeger this is why I like the idea of the lore in 40k all being told by some random bum in the galaxy who may, or may not, have been there at the time. It's more jank than the Legend of Zelda timeline.

[@fort809]

“Dan Abnett doesn’t understand how the army works” is a very common theme in this series

[@codyopperman5930]

This is a problem with Gaunt being a Colonel Commisar. His dual rank leaves him tripping over himself. Commisars are supposed to straighten out the troops in 40k.

[@maddlarkin]

For me the biggest issue is a guy like Cuu wasn't dealt with far earlier, after Bragg dies with their conflict being well known, and Larkin being on such familiar terms with both Corbec and the Scouts not to mention Braggs popularity no one following up even informally seems odd, Cuu would of been dealt with, Mkoll or Mkvenner would of seen to it and in all liklihood if Cuu's body had ever of been found, would of been on the sort of timeline to be considered archaeology rather than a crime scene.

[@gorvarhadgarson5227]

Phantine campaign Day 14 Outskirts of Ouranburg Thursday Cadia: Look, the Blood Pact are working together with Xenos filth! Our lasguns cant penetrate their hide! Krieger: (holds up bayonet in helpful gasmask suggestion) Cadian: Krieger...no. Krieger: ...(raises shovel) Cadian: ...(lowers it) Tech Priest: Recomendation: Suggest we use own initiative to use more powerful firearms. Cadian: Where will we get those? Squat: Oh Ah got some! A hour later the squad combats the Loxotor with exotic looking weaponry. Golden looking weapons with blue orbs imbedded within, blasting blue lasers. Cadian: Well done, Squat! Where did you get these?! Squat: (hides a holopict of a blue woman in a wedding dress behind his back) Ah know someone... Bloody Henry: (nods in approval afterhsving snuck in a look) Krieger: (reads the inscriptions on his gun and enquires about the greater good in gasmask)

[@yetipotato8567]

Cirenholm, Ouranberg... What are they invading? The Scandinavia cluster? 😂

[@MidWanker-Minis]

The Phantaine troopers are described as very fair skin light blue eyes and shaved sides of the head with long on top. Sound Finnish to me.

[@yetipotato8567]

Tortillat avataan

[@raumograeywolf5477]

Heavy weapon? In .45? So something between a Thompson submachine gun and a B.A.R. I'm imagining. Sounds fun to me

[@lasskinn474]

really the .45 doesn't tell much. quite a difference between .45 auto and some anti material round in just about same cross size for the projectile.

[@Nejiranu]

​@@lasskinn474 Given that these are described as rifles, I'm imagining something more analogous to .458 SOCOM or .408 Chey-Tac than .45 ACP. If I remember correctly they have 20-30 round drums as well, making me think a big rifle round is likely.

[@colinscutt5104]

no, bigger more like a browning .50

[@raumograeywolf5477]

@colinscutt5104 so ol Ma Deuce but chambered for a smaller round, though I'd imagine that's a rifle and not pistol round... i wont lie, the idea of a .45 rifle round does tickle my fancy

[@swordsnspearguy5945]

salvaging an infiltration/assassination mission of a laser proof target gone wrong thats soldiering

[@y0sh1js12]

Upon arriving I immediately stormed Ourenberg. That is my Style Sir!

[@shanehudson3995]

Someone give Hark a hand. He's missing one.

[@maddlarkin]

Bit of a side tangent, but I always thought the Mortian Drop troop mini's would make excellent Phantine Skyborne proxies

[@cnlbenmc]

35:26 How is a cut rate Forge World like Urdesh able to make Personal Refractor shields that we've now seen on 2 separate occasions when it can't even manage Proper Leman Russ Tanks?

[@nietname2468]

Just because you have mastered chipbuilding and electronics, doesn't mean that you can produce tanks. More than one exemple even irl.

[@Nejiranu]

​@@nietname2468 this is even more the case in 40k. Some forges make plasma decimators and macro-batteries... But their Knight worlds have to import agricultural tractors from other forges

[@babayaga6376]

No STCs for Leemans...Remember, the Imperium is not great at innovation , not necessarily because it can't innovate, but because it might be heretical.

[@cnlbenmc]

+@@nietname2468+ I don't think you understand how rare and complex Personal Energy Shields in 40k are, they're rarer than Power Weapons.

[@nietname2468]

@@cnlbenmc No shit sherlock, that still doesn't discount my argument.

[@NoNamefree123]

Wait, 300k tons of bombs? In days? How many Marauders they had there? Tens of thousands? Biggest Marauder concentration in history of Imperium on some backwater hillbilly planet?

[@Feenix102]

Were the "thunderbolts and lightnings" very very frightening (me), would be my question! :)

[@catsareevil101]

Where does Chaos get those wonderful toys? Is part of Asphodel's old order dedicated to producing miniaturized shield generators or something? Some one is working hard to say the least, and producing pretty good quality work at that.

[@ANotmyname]

Keep in mind that the Blood Pact have held Urdesh on and off for sometimes years at a time. Urdesh is half way between being a hive world and a forge world. They are also very willing to make deals with the dark mechanicus and have plenty of captive populations to both fill their manufactorums and barter with other warbands. They get nice things, albeit not on the scale of the Imperium.

[@malaficus]

When it comes to chaos. You dont have to worry about such silly things as weight distributes, ammo, pilots, power, etc. Demons can replace most parts. As for why this band get them. Probley one of the caputered forge world is run by a heretek magos. Real reason: Because of plot.

[@flatheadgg2443]

Love the artwork at 46:36 where can l get a high res version of it.

[@Matthew-qv5ch]

Nothing like an arch lore video on my birthday.

[@SilcronKaytor]

A, nothing like Arch lore to end the week.

[@Llangion]

We remember lost Tanith.

[@joejoe0213]

You’re being a little harsh on Gaunt here, last I remember he fought for Cuu for all the reasons you give. But also because even more evidence showed up suggesting the perpetrator was one of the Blood Pact that managed to hide among the population.

[@robertstrong6798]

I remember being very upset when brag dies. And really ! Really ! Wishing chew gets what is coming to him ! Fantastically written book 📖 you just want to see what happens next

[@povilzem]

Ouran High School Host Club?

[@mattdelong6582]

That commissar between the four tanith looks like cavil.

[@cnlbenmc]

43:42 I should also point out that the only reason Lija Cuu got off was because the aforementioned Blood Pact infiltrators had used Tanith disguises incuding their knives (which was the murder weapon), had been active at the time and the other key piece of evidence a defaced coin was also used and in the possession of the Pacters. Cuu had been seen looting said coins and had some in his possession (which for some reason the Blood Pact felt compelled to open a safe to insert said coins into it after they defaced them). Bragg and Larkin saw this and Bragg told Gaunt. Additionally the Commisariat was negligent in its duties for not running a DNA test in a Rape case with a contested perpetrator as a basic modern one only takes 2 or so days to get a result.

[@Rockcrusher22895]

Yeah, even though Larks didn't want to tell on Cuu because he was scared of him so badly but, Bragg being the kind, gentle, and slightly not intelligent trooper thought that if Cuu was turned in and found guilty, then he was. If he was proven innocent, then he was innocent. Poor Bragg didn't know that Cuu would remember that with such a hateful grudge and spite he murdered him while the rest of the Ghosts that were with them were too busy fighting the Blood Pact or returning to the rear for more ammo that the bastard took his chance and not just murdered, he defiled Bragg!!! The worst part of that was when the final blow was being struck Cuu admitted to the crime and cruelly boasted to Bragg he enjoyed it without any remorse. This is the kind of villain you really hate in 40K, the bastards who commit such evil deeds and crimes without the influence of Chaos showing that once again Humanity is just as capable in destroying itself without the need of external forces guiding them. If you need another example, think back on a certain insane High Lord to your minds.

[@sonofjack6286]

It's 40k, they've lost so much tech that we'd find commonplace in the modern day, rape kits seeming to be one of them.

[@jagd7102]

God I love the Blood Pact.

[@shaynedowning1316]

Blitz Gun, Dat sounds like a good Ork shoota

[@benpearson49]

Off Topic. I just learned that Baldermort, has had his channel hacked. It looks very similar to the same thing that happened to Arch some years ago.

[@Askoo783]

What books were the source materiel here ? Sure the gaunts ghosts is clear but the Phantine stroy line ?

[@Nejiranu]

It's mostly reading between the lines in the books. Most of this info is mentioned in passing either by one of the Phantine, or another officer. Stitching together those remarks into a cohesive whole gets you this narrative

[@ondrejsedlar7003]

​@@Nejiranuplus the spin-off novels focusing solely on the air-corps like Double-eagle.

[@knowplay3258]

​@@ondrejsedlar7003 Double Eagle is one of my most favorite 40K novels!!

[@ondrejsedlar7003]

@@knowplay3258 I havent really read/listened to the Sabbat Worlds series other than GG/ Iron snakes books, might do that next year.

[@eobardthawne3333]

.45 calliber drum magazines? the thompson returned?

[@malaficus]

Why does it sound like the tarnith should have died a dozen timed overy by this point?

[@ashleygarratt4961]

They should have but plot armour.

[@Chimera262]

flechette blaster for everyone!

[@vze1ruuh]

Whoop, more sabbat worlds

[@xuk6042]

@Arch the listening order for this playlist is a little messy 😂

[@Thunderstone_]

Perfect bedtime story time

[@REgamesplayer]

I cannot find Imperial bomber called Behemoth. Is this a real aircraft or something Arch just made up? I think he meant Marauder Colossus which fits his description. Mixed in strategic bombers to really bring down the mass to the operation.

[@codyopperman5930]

He also said the Urdesh had falchete guns. He gets a lot of little details wrong.

[@maddlarkin]

I think by Behemoths he's just refering to the size, the book mentions an old outdated local pattern of giant Bombers being used and tbh I'm not sure if they were ever named hence calling them behemoths (maybe Magog's or something similar, but that could be from Double Egale or elsewhere it's been a while since I re-read any of these) as for the Flachette pistol, it's not in this book, but there's been a few shorts with the Urdesh elsewhere and it could of been mentioned in one of them, I've found a lot of the shorts in the later compilations a bit of slog and not read all of them so the weapon could exist, or equally Arch could be getting mixed up

[@AlvorReal]

Flechette, you smoothbrain.

[@codyopperman5930]

@AlvorReal damn, son. I kinda don't care

[@Fisthammet]

A ton of the Sabbat worlds stuff is specific to individual books; the Behemoth is supposedly used Imperium wide but is specifically mentioned as being used by Phantine bomber wings in the book The Guns of Tanith.

[@matijakurelja9827]

Did he really read as Cholier Gol Kolea's name

[@REgamesplayer]

Rome put their veterancy to the back of the line. It meant that the best was kept in reserve and used when things would start getting south. Imperials according to Arch is putting their best in the front. That is just another proof of Imperial incompetence as first troops experience highest casualty rates and usually are least significant in making an impact on an operation. An untrained coward is just as good of a statistic than a seasoned veteran. This is why they are not put as a first assault wave.

[@SXsoft99]

You use your experienced troops in the front when you want to do a blitz

[@AlvorReal]

Experienced troops lead assaults because they are more disciplined, organized, and effective. Any kind of opposed landing needs your best of the best for a great many reasons.

[@lasskinn474]

they're supposed to be having loads of easier engagements where everyone doesn't die before they get to the epic actions written down in the books. and also they're supposed to make the first wave actually happen. and it's not supposed to fail. and the defenders would almost always in normal non epic circumstances be noobs. it wasn't that uncommon in the history to lead with experienced cavalry etc to just crash and decide the smaller battles quickly either. meatwaving of noobs is more of a slav thing, applicable to many things, like even just building st petersburg was meatwaved. roman legions even were not a meatwave tactics operation as such but rather a power over the enemy through discipline and tactics. really for most encounters you didn't need that much tactic, but for the time still an enormous amount to stay disciplined in the formation and not just run around the battefield. and sure you could meatwave a roman legion with enough men, but gathering and feeding enough men to do that was extremely complicated at the time.

[@REgamesplayer]

​@@lasskinn474 Cavalry historically always tended to be more of an elite formation due to costs concerning in having a mobile troop/formation. In ancient time you needed a lot of coordination and discipline. It was difficult to control formations during fighting. I heavily disagree with the idea that the most experienced troops need to lead the charge as those situations tend to be periods where unit experience is irrelevant. Most experienced troops have to come in after enemy was measured, beachhead established and reinforcements can commit assaulting enemy lines when battlefield lines were drawn, strength approximated and path secured. Exceptions are in some difficult tasks like infiltration, small scale breach, deep insertion. In this example, Imperial guard tried to do Normandy landings without naval bombardment, air support or anything. They just landed limited amount of troops to be lost if it just so happens that city is actually well defended. Luckily, it wasn't well defended and Imperial gambit paid off.

[@desperado3236]

Meatwaving is not a slav thing at all if you're only example is ww2 ussr. Everyone's done it at some point. The Persians did it in the persian wars, everyone did it at ww1, the chinese did it at korea/viet wars...hell even the americans did it during ww2 in certain battles. The problem is classification as troops are want to exaggerate. I agree for the most part though that there are times when you want to hit the enemy with experienced troops rather than noobs. I think it depends on what kinda war you're fighting. Maneuver or attrition. I see meatwaves as more of a desperation move than anything. Something you only do if you can't afford to have your vets die.

[@eichler721]

The Tanith get all the good missions.

[@KondorDCS]

Actually, Phantine is seen as a rather pleasant Civilized World by imperial standards....when it's not under Chaos control. Peacful society, minimal crime, and completely habitable inside the hab spheres, and everyone is expected to become a pilot...What's not to like about Phantine?

[@katathoombs]

Chuu? /keglan/ I'm prone to understand, but Cuu being _Chuu_ ?

[@shh4894]

In audiobook they pronounce it like coup, or koo - I'm pretty sure.

[@katathoombs]

​@@shh4894 I'd wager much of me meager possessions for the c in Cuu being a hard /k/, too. The onomastics of the _Daniverse_ could be an interesting study. There's High Gothic -> close to our Ecclesial Latin affecting many name pronunciations, making c /k/ except before _i, e, y, ae_ and _oe_ when it becomes approx. /tch/ or /s/. Then there be all the different cultures to mix this up. The Tanith are basically Irish, _Space Celts_ if you will, so in originally Tanith names c should be /k/? Then the Sanguinary tribes often leans towards Indo-Iranian languages, as well as general Semitic phonology, making many of the _gh_ and _kh_ sounds pharyngeal and laryngeal, cf. غ and خ. The Verghast seem to me to be more Germanic (in the wider sense), the Belladon Slavo-Hispanic with a touch of modern Jewish onomastics. It's a beautiful mess making all of us do a double-take with every single name : D

[@shh4894]

@@katathoombs That's awesome and facinating. Im mentally lazy, so my shortcut is to follow the assumption that the author often enough brief the audiobook voice actors. I do notice they pronounce Roboute differently a lot especially in the older heresy books.

[@katathoombs]

@@shh4894 I too hope there's some sort of tutoring happening before entering the booth and pressing record...

[@knowplay3258]

Yes, audio book narrators for the Black Library can and do consult the book's author if the narrator has any questions.

[@bobsmith1313]

Looks like baldermorts channel got hacked😢 hopefully he gets it back soon

[@KondorDCS]

IRL, Cuu was not guilty of raping anyone, only of looting money that has been desacrated by Chaos.

[@sonofjack6286]

He was guilty, but got let off due to what amounted to credible doubt. He admitted it to Bragg before he killed him. He took pleasure in how she'd tried to defend herself. Feth Cuu.

[@jamesowens7148]

Berg?

[@flatheadgg2443]

Some of those bloodpact masks be looking sus for sure.

[@ivanivanovic5586]

Ah, yes, I remember that moment, when ol' Mkoll gets the drop on Sagita(u)r guy, tho that won't be the last enemy commander he takes out(nor the most important one!). Loss of Bragg and Kolea was stinging. Regarding former, his greatest batch of sacra(tanith version of south-slav rakija, iirc) always makes its way into ghosts' hands inexplicably. Latter, let's just say a miracle is in store for him much, much later, poor guys. Iirc that scum Elijah gets used as a puppet by chaos(if not in the same book he kills Bragg) and pays the price. Lastly, pray tell, who be the artist behind the ghosts' black and white portraits, those look particularly fitting(especially in cnl corbec and major rawne's case, latter oozes smugness)?

[@trenchmouse2438]

Yes! I’ve had too much salt lately, need a 48 minute break

[@mbp1652]

Let's go

[@Chet2378]

A great series!

[@jeremyfeldmann7969]

They have a plan base on wrong info

[@mykelengieza7057]

ALGORITHM

[@comradeweismann6947]

Comments for the algorithm

[@ryano7340]

What book is this story from??

[@sevetar69]

Guns of Tanith from Dan Abnett

[@AllbinP]

Ello

[@phantomjoker5]

kino

[@Kobold1650]

Wasn't Larkin also with Bragg? I could have sworn they both pushed up daisies after Cuu's betrayal.

[@shanehudson3995]

Nah, Lark's still kicking. He bagged Cuu, though, if memory serves.

[@ondrejsedlar7003]

​@@shanehudson3995he did

[@colinscutt5104]

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[@Self-replicating_whatnot]

What's up with Blood Pact having all those shields? Writer-itus abounds...

[@knowplay3258]

The rear brain at the back of the head controls all our autonomic functions such as breathing, heartbeat, instinctual behavior, and so on. The front of the brain controls our higher functions such as speech, cognitive reasoning, and so on. The rear brain is referred to as the animal brain and the front of the brain is considered to be what makes us human...above and more intelligent than other animals. So, a man having the back of his brain blown out, thus making him a simpleton makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I love the books, but Abnett needs to do a little more research.