Ardoyne 2012 Documentary

Filmed by Robin Wallace. Starring Joe Gilmartin. Thanks to the Ardoyne community for their cooperation in making this film.

[@DominicMagliocco]

I think there is a very simple question to be answered here. When the orange order returned to walk past Ardoyne no one except a token few Catholics were allowed onto the Crumlin Road to protest. When the GARC counter protest walked the Crumlin Road the Protestants were not prevented from going onto the Crumlin and allowed within yards of the Catholics and all the while the riot police faced the Ardoyne protesters.

[@ImagesByDavid]

Hi...up to 1.32 in how were those men mic'd up? Was that the cam mic picking them up? or you have a boom or wireless mic? The audio is perfect.

[@ciarankelly7641]

Don't mind people having a march but Christ lads , do use have to do it for 4 months solid

[@dublinsfaircity]

@Pat McCaliskey It's silly carry on.

[@johnmccaughey2722]

Is that how long they march for? Sounds alot.

[@conorgavin677]

how come the prods dont get pinned in where they live ? let to do what thet want ?

[@S__123]

This is an oddly one-sided report for someone attempting to be a journalist? Funnily enough this Irish fella can be seen shouting abuse at police in another video when they ask him to move out of the way for his safety.

[@FreemenofAustralia]

Whats a Catholic Shop?

[@glentoran4ever]

Hearing them talk about how these parades cause people to be arrested is hilarious. There's a solution. Protest peacefully. On the 12th July one side of the community walked through Ardoyne at 3.55 and then left, whilst one side of the community committed attempted murder. But let's not let the facts get in the way.

[@mufc99ok]

ok i dont agree with burning of orange halls and apologise for my bad language but why do bands have to march in areas where they know catholics are stirring things up and then claim its their culture

[@peacehope7365]

I think these people (both sides) would benefit from travel. They'd soon realise how much they have in common. Honestly people are just people. Nationality is a myth. Love and peace to all ✌️🕊️💕

[@dreamteami.l5253]

That's crazy, are those residents closed into their area with no way out?

[@yvonnejohnston9429]

No they are not

[@cdjme252]

03:07 - Again, if people have committed a crime, they should face the law of the land 03:14 - ONE band and ONE lodge? Hardly the invasion some try to make out 04:01 - Hemmed in? Sure not less than a minute ago the video was saying how quiet Ardoyne was 04:30 - Seems like a quiet, peaceful and respectful march to me 04:58 - and there we have it...the OO abide by the parades commission demands 06:30 - ...and there we go....the unprovoked violence starts! 06:40 - Disgraceful actions by thugs

[@LancerFFS]

i'll love my neighbour when they don't live in my house without permission.

[@TimoMomo]

😂😂

[@cdjme252]

00:20 - OO abide by Parades Commission decision. 00:58 - So OO have made concessions, and reduced the size of the march from "thousands" to less than 50 people 01:21 - How does he know that protestants don't use that road on the other 364 days of the year? 01:32 - Don't recall there ever being trouble for the outgoing parade in the morning, so why in the evening? These offended residents still in their bed? 01:39 - They don't march through Ardoyne...they march past a very small section of it.

[@baplfc]

this parade does not go through ardoyne for a start. the ardoye residents are not to be seen the other 365 days a year.

[@ciaranbrown1983]

Why march there tho

[@ThomasK2222]

Loved it when the man with the green shirt and black cap gets clunked around the head with a glass bottle at 9:57 too funny .😃👳

[@allanf1988]

They didn’t walk “through” they walked passed ardoyne on a MAIN road. You’s have to come out from your homes and walk to the main road to get insulted, JOG ON

[@dieg]

Is this still a thing in 2024?

[@nathananderson4251]

They no longer go past the ardoyne shops thankfully

[@consean9938]

12.00 minutes, is that the ruc singing burn burn burn ... Yeow??

[@georgebrowne5935]

What a way to live?? Marching to get "One" over their neighbours, is more important than living in harmony and peace. Oh Dear, Oh Dear!

[@caoimhegilmartin8061]

Well done for showing the affects of the orange marches on the Ardoyne residents. (rarely seen)

[@yvonnejohnston9429]

Those orange marchers are also from ardoyne

[@RedHandLad]

Its just a group of shops , no one lives there , they go out of their way to be offended.

[@AllyCatmeow]

If it's just a group of shops why bother marching past it? They should just stop either side marching into each others communities. Or if the Loyalists really want to march into Irish areas then they should ban any loyalist from drinking alcohol. Most of the time the supporters look to be violent drunks. On the 12th of July and the week leading up to it all alcohol should be banned and anyone who tests positive or selling it should be place under house arrest for any other marches.

[@ciarancorrigan2308]

When u say no one lives there its still part of the community and many catholics suffered by the protosaints for many years and to have them walk in the community singing and chanting songs that offend us

[@cpparkinson5109]

​@@AllyCatmeow Well they aren't marching to the shops 😂, as you can see the crowd and the flags across from the shops are the opposite to the protesters. They march past an entrance to that area and continue on to a larger parade, twit. Oh fock off, are you going to ban the republican "protestors" who weren't about according to their own speaker for the morning parade, no, too lazy or busy scratching their arse in bed to be offended for that part of the day 7/8 am. So they wake up and then arrive down from their area to go to the main road in the afternoon all to be deliberately offended. Can't control their emotions you'll get arrested then....

[@paintedman1000]

what did the OL do outside that church?

[@alid7997]

Stark contrast in the behaviour of the OO and the ‘residents March’ here, OO dignified and disciplined, residents just a bunch of thugs.

[@marz_mitzi]

im icelandic and i have no idea whats going and i got so many questions aaah

[@fiachra1992]

Ardoyne is in North Belfast, but I get what you mean!

[@udubidub]

the narrator not from Belfast.

[@Timo8.2.]

To an outside observer it seemed that the PSNI was very biased. The PSNI seemed to defending the Protestants even thou they were throwing bottles and rocks.

[@bigfred0997]

That's the slight of hand trick both sides play, when garc filmed this it was cut and edited by nationalists and shows the other side to be the worst but when the other side films they show the nationalists to be worse

[@gavin_1968]

So is that the infamous ardoyne shops I just watch a video of the and it looked theres less than 5 fucking shops and it looks like it would take less than 5 min to walk past now the fact that this video is 100% one sided so for some one like who like me has not got a clue about ardoyne if its pure catholic area or mixed so i think it would be better if there was a video shown from both sides that would be much better .

[@tipp2gaza]

Agree with above ,in my mind a fair and balanced view that you would not hear on the so called mainstream media. Good Stuff

[@alexcone3338]

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[@fifthward1983]

thanks for making this video. i didnt really understand what was going on 100 percent, had somewhat of a idea. every now and then this stuff makes national news here in the states,but for the most part we dont know whats happening over there.

[@yvonnejohnston9429]

Do not believe all that you see, the orangemen are NOT marching THROUGH a Roman Catholic area

[@markcully8575]

Crumlin road isn't even ardoyne ffs !!!

[@jm9661]

So who lives from flax at to mountain view then , crumlin rd people or ardoyne people ? It's certainly not snouts anymore lol , "we are the people" lol eejits

[@JT-xt8bh]

Dee loves an audience and a camera crew but he’s not so good on his own

[@zzsjbz]

get a bus in ... ?? or a different route??

[@CrazyIrishDrunk1]

And btw, the hundreds of thoussands of Irish Nationalists will NEVER leave the 6 counties. We're here to stay. I just want you to know that.

[@fredflingstone9011]

Wow - that's a great reply. Your standard of education is staggering.

[@gruntymchunchy1527]

The compromise is simple: Ban ALL parades/marches on both sides from residential areas, Marches and parades to happen only in town & city centres.

[@yvonnejohnston9429]

Ardoyne is a main arterial route into the city centre

[@DuruttiVisca]

I am English it is well known that we were part of the allies that beat Germany in 1945 now I have a great idea lets allus English parade through berlin every year on ve day we could really rub there noses in it but thinking about it civilised people don t do that

[@caleb4790]

Ardoyn was always prodestent so they have every right to march there also it’s a British country so we can march if we want

[@LOGOS422]

@@caleb4790 A British colony in Ireland.

[@caleb4790]

Pat McCaliskey my apologies that must have been an error on my behalf

[@garydornan2681]

​@@caleb4790was always Protestant?😂 read up you

[@capetown99]

Its spelt Republican, not republian. Since when do you see a Republican band, backed by the State, march through or even near a Unionist area? Where and when are thousands of Protestants hemmed in by thousands of Police in Belfast? If a Republican band played in front of a Protestant church, the nearest Nationalist area would be attacked en masse by the UDA, like the Short Strand was last year. Very few of whom have been areested since.

[@amysands8925]

At the end of the day land belongs to no one. When you die 6feet down is all you have.

[@33LB]

yea, but how many religious people actually follow their religious text?

[@borderlord7562]

union jacks only flown at sea,ulster is 9 counties,and please leave the rent on the kitchen table on the way home to scotland,you were planted here in the 18th century,go read a book

[@bigfred0997]

Still you all claim benefits from the British government along with all your IRA informers hahaha

[@trickydicky5545]

Will the human rights observers be filming the stone throwers, petrol bombers and those encouraging them to do so

[@quates890]

If you need the facts ask your community workers to ask for them as they have been recorded on cctv, perhaps us unionists should ask are mp,s to do some work for a change

[@jamrockergc]

well said, couldn;t agree more. looking forward to that video of poster boy Dee Fennel

[@paulspydar]

my grandad was an Orangeman & i hope one day to take his sash into my care.. Chin up guys..

[@sudocreme5080]

Bigotry must run in the family

[@largejockwasaware5100]

Good on you bro... it’s good that our society is forever growing with good loyal Protestants ... unlike the Irish catholic priests forever sticking it up the boys dry ... die in your sleep you fenian bastarss

[@patrickhughes2863]

Large jock Was aware fuck the huns kah up the ra u 2nd class sitazin

[@Paul-vq8fk]

@@largejockwasaware5100 Scotland is Englands tampax lol.......IRA destroyed the brits. Beaten by a temporary army. the humiliation pmsl

[@RedHandLad]

Who is this guy , he's foreign , hes from the ROI .

[@nialldaly8684]

He's a native of this Island!

[@thebigchiefbajasus]

A. The march passes by the Ardoyne shops in all of 2 minutes. B. It is a silent march (no music is played). C. This particular return march has been occuring for well over 100 years. D. Across from the Ardoyne shops is the beginning of loyalist housing, it's a shared community, i could see through it if it was a wholey Catholic area. The Easter Rising parade can pass by Belfast city hall with men dressed in IRA regalia holding replica M16 rifles. THAT is intimidation, not this.

[@burnleyfan11965]

Removed to where and when??.Not saying you lying but not heard of it before.If they went to Israel after 1947 id say they went willingly

[@Ulsterloyalist100]

Your fella at the start sounds like he is from Ardoyne ffs

[@pfhrmb]

guy takes bottle to the head like a champ at 10:00

[@esbuttercup55]

Observing from Canada , peaceful protest attacked by loyalists at 9.57mins , man attacked by police for merely stating a point of view , young girls taunted by police at bus shelter , young man dragged off and I don,t know what the 6 policemen were doing to him when he was on the ground , Were there any arrests on the loyalist side who were handled with kid gloves .?? P.S.N.I the world is watching you know .!

[@Alex-gn2rb]

Jesus must be so proud looking down.

[@gerryadams9868]

Ardoyne will always be a no go area for huns

[@caleb4790]

It was all ways a proudest net area

[@tomparker8394]

and wee sean was just out buying his wee granny a pint of milk

[@Belfastmusicguy]

With the Irish government being the exception who in the last 5 to 10 years have began to accept the orange order with considerable funding for them and the parade in Donegal seems to go off as a good day out which im sure both communities would be attending.

[@Shaftsus]

lol that sign "End Hatred of Orange Culture" at around 9:25 really confused me because the phrase pretty much goes 2 ways...

[@paintedman1000]

its all to do with respecting each other, we are all to easily offended by each other, and people on both sides need to stop their triumphalism attitude

[@nellamaharg]

Why dont you stop fighting and just get along?

[@johnmccaughey2722]

Dont think either side wants to back down over northern ireland being british or reunited with ireland. Imo thats what this mostly comes down to.

[@scotlandbleedsblue]

Say`s who ???

[@mouldyplums1]

It would appear that,in 2012,Republican/Nationalist violence pays dividends....It may be an avenue that the Loyalists may pursue in the future,and to honest,I can't blame them. These "interface issues" seem to be all about appeasing the Nationalist/Republican communities...

[@RedHandLad]

I feel sorry for you with your seething hate , because that hate could hurt you long term , you should try to love your neighbour.

[@kylewalsh08]

Proving your own ignorance while 6 counties of Ulster are technically in a UK jurisdiction Donegal,Cavan and Monaghan are in Ulster and very much a part of the Republic get your facts straight before you make more ridiculous comments.

[@barrycummins4276]

Keep it go lad NO SURRENDER

[@johnhouldingloyal]

Why are these film makers allowed to get away with these lies. That area is not a nationalist area it is the edge of a nationalist area where residence have to go out of their way to be insulted. Those shops are used by both catholics and protestants. The lodge and band that walk past are from Ardoyne a couple of yards up the road from the shops. Opposite the shops is a protestant area. One guy says the rioting last a few days, as if it is the fault of the orangemen, but the orangemen just walk past and then go home ALL the rioters are nationalists, mostly bussed is. The residents are not 'hemmed' in, as there are lots of ways out of that area.

[@sudocreme5080]

Some of what you say may be true, but the parade is at the edge of a Nationalist area which is provocative and aggravating considering there is alternate routes which aren't provocative. A republican parade wouldn't be allowed in side a 5 mile radius of a Protestant area, never mind go right past it or the fact this happens year after year.

[@LancerFFS]

6 out of 9 counties of the province of Uladh are occupied by britain, lets not forget Dún Na Ngall, An Cabhán and Muineachán that are part of Eíre. Uladh is not British, Ulster is Irish, just like Mumha, Laighin and Connacht. Just like India and parts of Africa aren't British - just because your thieving forefathers came here and gave birth to you invaders doesn't make this country yours - the 4 provinces and the 32 counties have, and always will be Irish.

[@RedHandLad]

Why didn't their fellow middle class Irish men and women give them food , why their fellow middle class Irish men and women abandon them and let them starve ? Did the hole of Ireland starve at that time ....answer no . And why as that ...answer ...because the middle and upper class had money and food but did not help the starving.

[@dsd7004]

Old Post but weren't middle/ upper predominantly Protestant ' brits' ?

[@zzsjbz]

Don't know.. as i said i don't know a lot about it..but if it starts with the kids now and their left to get on and be friend's with who they like it might just be different in a few yrs time.

[@udubidub]

resident not locked inn another vid shows a man walking past all the trouble with his shopping bag and no one bats an eyelid THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS TO DO AT THAT TIME OF HIS LIFE.

[@jordanscott1074]

they’re stopped from coming out, they bring themselves out to be offended😂

[@maureenstockman2612]

So true

[@CatraoineKelley]

pmsl go on wit ya and well said

[@geniusgza7]

haha i like the part were he said "volatile situation"

[@Malky555]

It's a shame a 5 min walk past an area not throught just passing as to end like this . I can't see how a march can be blamed by people wrecking there own area . The march it self was peacefulll it's the tag alongs that seem to cause the bother on both sides !

[@padraigodeorain9966]

And that's why you're a balloon

[@paintedman1000]

look to be honest if everyone had your opinion, NI would be a better place, but u have to understand identity and culture is a big thing were we live, so it does need respected, then maybe on day a generation met all have your attitude

[@llokkee]

"Let Us Live In Peace." Then why parade where ur not wanted?

[@wulliegray74]

Why aren't they wanted? Is it a sectarian reason or do you just hate music 🎶

[@maryellis3661]

whats wrong with a march if the catholic people in donegal can come out to watch an orange march and have no problem with the orange order parading whats wrong with the people in belfast and else ware

[@amysands8925]

Mary Ellis your right. Just causing trouble.if it wasn't that it would be something else. Time both sides wised up.

[@evinmaguire8795]

Mary Ellis amy sands, Because the orange order are marching into a catholic community playing hymns which are mostly about how they defeated Catholics in battle. Thats not right, also they are the same people who burn Irish flags and burn statues of the virgin mary and call it their culture. Some culture.

[@liammellows-hz3pf]

The orange parade is once a year in Donegal,not every other week in Ardoyne for 4-5 months solid,where the locals are held under siege in their own communities to allow drunken racist bigots to try and trample all over them.

[@SuperFatyank]

Evin Maguire they are not allowed to play any music when they march near catholic areas they use a single drum beat or they will be arrested and the lodges get fined you can see it In this video they are silent until they get in there area

[@caleb4790]

It’s not about how they defeated catholic’s in battle it’s about King Billy deafetin a man trying to murder all prodestent for the religion

[@DuruttiVisca]

loyalism does not make any sense to a logical human being it requires the suspension of logical thinking

[@cdjme252]

07:37 - No actual proof of this 07:46 - Again, no evidence of residents being 'attacked' by the PSNI...or perhaps this is because of the violence? 07:54 - So it's the polices fault for being there that the young people have responded? HAHA 07:58 - Good to hear 08:11 - Hahaha, the violence is all the OO fault? Such a statement! 08:17 - Is that blackmail towards the OO? Failure to control their own community more like 08:22 - So, you want the OO not to parade....so GARC can have theirs? Wow

[@neillanda1268]

Why have we not got fat dee yet

[@stephendoran2690]

Ah sure the prods will be out of ardoyne soon anyway

[@caleb4790]

All the republicans will be out of east Belfast soon

[@ononewheellad]

The mainly Catholic shops area, so not residential. The protesters have to walk some distance from their homes to be able to be offended.

[@capetown99]

Well said.

[@banjodeano2202]

so would the police be catholic or protestant or both, they have a thankless task..

[@caleb4790]

Police are over 2/3 prodestemt but remain neutral

[@banjodeano2202]

@@caleb4790 thanks Caleb

[@zzsjbz]

Yep your right i know absolutely nothing about it at all. .why go a way you know is going to cause conflict?? but yes your bang on i know nothing about it.

[@roymckittrteick7369]

i as a 5 year old attended finiston school before the so called troubles began and every day i had 2 run into school because obviously i and my fellow p1 classmates posed abig threat 2 the good and law abiding people of ardoyne and the bone for the record fiston school no longer exists ethnic cleansing i dont know what 2 u think .

[@LancerFFS]

Cheers comrade. I have a seething hate for loyalism, it's just plain wrong man.

[@DreamClean]

The police still faced towards the Catholics even though the other side were the ones throwing shit.

[@Belfastmusicguy]

Look the peace is all brought about by people respecting each others culture. The Catholic people are welcome to come down and enjoy the festivities of the day just like Protestants at St Patricks day and alot of Catholics do. This year in particular we had a lot of people from the south who totally loved the day to get back to there hotel to witness this on the tv. These people arent representitive of the Catholic community time to start giving out stiffer penalties for rioters its 2012.

[@Belfastmusicguy]

i do take on board what your saying mind you. But honestly in 2012 and riots at the shops in whats a reasonably peaceful society today it makes the Ardoyne residents look like troublemakers raking up the past that is the way its coming across,

[@uhumagoo1]

I had fourrrr greeeen fields too bad u only three now.

[@fish5133]

Thought the orange orders had a semi religous heritage as well as just a political one, and one of Gods commandments is Love thy neighbour as thyself which they seem to put behind "contending for the faith". Its not a mark of defeat to respect your neighbours feelings on the contrary its a mark of common respect for humanity (whether you believe that humanity was created or just evolved)

[@hairlikespaghetti]

I do have a clue - I live in Glasgow and have to put up with the same inconvenience every year - if you want to carry on celebrating some battle that has fuck all to do with the 21st C and means nothing to 99.9% of the UK, then why not do it where it cannot cause offense? Try the countryside, theres plenty of empty fields you could walk around where nobody is inconvenienced! Either that, or catch up with all right-thinking folk and drop the nonsense once and for all, and this goes for everyone!

[@rondqatyrie4988]

we did watu wanted and still got fuck all

[@notmyrealname121]

gee. if only they could afford to go on holiday

[@33LB]

sorry to piss on your bubble but... opinion polls show that about half of catholics, and almost all protestants, do not favour "32". and the republic of ireland doesnt want "32" either, because their economy is a mess. the only people who want "32" is england, because we cost them a fortune. at the moment, 32 is not a good idea because the ROI couldnt possibly afford us, and england gives us money. you need to think of factors like this, instead of just saying "32" because it sounds cool.

[@roymckittrteick7369]

garc is ardoyne residents or so they would make u believe yet dee fennel their spokesman who is so put out and downtrodden by this 2 minute march lives over a mile away on the cliftonville road

[@MrDavyup]

Good to see you out marching on the glorious 12th.

[@circlethecube6411]

Uppa RA

[@fionngearon4852]

Fuck you upa RA

[@paintedman1000]

that was a band not orange men, but as a loyalist i agree with u, it was a total disgrace to do that, although i wonder do u have the same opinion, when orange halls are burnt out every other week, or the republican parade that happened a few weeks after the loyalist band, when it played music outside a church, respect has to work both ways, and another thing, only in NI would a band playing music outside a chapel make headline news over a gun attack on police, fucked up place we all live in

[@thedarkhugheshughes2640]

Fennell Lundy the big boys of ardoyne

[@chill6510]

Just here for the comments lol

[@DodgeCity111]

Don't take offence just piss off to Portrush for the 12th.

[@darnellbiggumsthe9th658]

or better yet they can fuck off to england and parade in london where they’ll be “welcomed”