Are Basic Lands Now Too Basic? | EDH | MDFC | Modal Double-Faced Cards | MTG | Commander

[@GoblinTherapy]

If people want to start running MDFCs and almost zero basics, that's fine. If that is the case, they need to not complain about effects like Ruination, Blood Moon, and Magus of the Moon to punish that choice.

[@garrettmartin4750]

Or Armageddon. I will destroy all lands!

[@garrettmartin4750]

If WotC wants to make lands that are more dangerous, and folks wanna play them, then they should stop whining about their lands being destroyed. ARMAGEDDON OUTTA HERE!

[@garrettmartin4750]

*exit stage left, even*

[@Jack-lc6kb]

They're also not able to properly ramp with mdfc

[@andrerf]

They need to not complain about Wizards doing cards like Omanth and others forced maded cards for commander. Including the The Walking Dead Secret Lair cards like Rick or Lucille.

[@cossakrose]

Are Basic Lands now too basic? My Wallet: *Nope.*

[@valentinbouvard7798]

and basic lands are awesome in landfall decks: they are the best fuel for the engine because they are the easiest to search. there are 18 of them (9regular basics and 9 snow basics) in my golos landfall/gates deck and I often find myself running out of them

[@gplthebeast]

Efficiency always prevails even in EDH in my opinion. Unless the spell side is actually synergistic with the rest of the deck I think these cards aren't worth it. The mythics however are another story.

[@elipetrou9308]

Same, also they enter tapped.

[@morrius0757]

The green 2 cost mana dork is really good though, If you have it in your hand but no 1 drop, put it in tapped. And later it's an decent mana ramper. It does what no other mana dork can do, make your heavy creater midrange low-ish land deck more consistent.

[@MechaNoodle]

Yea, in my Tayam mega budget cEDH I only have two USB lands. Both of them only are in there because I need a practical copy of a spell.

[@MechaNoodle]

Yea, in my Tayam mega budget cEDH I only have two USB lands. Both of them only are in there because I need a practical copy of a spell.

[@Foxribble19]

@@MechaNoodle i think you made the same comment twice?

[@JasonPaul576]

No. Because you always need some basic lands. Most ramp only looks for basics. And there’s always the looming threat of Blood Moon.

[@milohobo9186]

A while back I had a sliver deck built with so much basic fetching that it was one of the only decks at the table that didn't suffer when a blood moon landed.

[@PenThoPlayer]

If I run even a single basic, I have to cut Hermit Druid, though.

[@kylewynne7930]

If you run any of the guild bouncelands, these MDFCs get that much better. Hit your land drop early, then get it back in hand when you bounce it.

[@greatbrandini3967]

Came to comment this. Basically turns the bounce lands into tap lands that draw you a card

[@kylewynne7930]

@@greatbrandini3967, most of my multicolored (3+) decks run Amulet of Vigor, so its not even a tap land at that point.

[@baddonkey75]

Oh snap didnt think of that, play for land then bounce land for a 2nd decision

[@AronSilberwasser]

Wow mitch died guys this is so sad

[@AngelicDirt]

Brutal...

[@helhal]

He got a new channel. “Captain’s Chamber”

[@thirsty1629]

This is just one of mitch’s alternate personality. It has taken over the Mitch we knew

[@HTYM]

Eddie just forced Mitch to take the Long Road Home is all.

[@PathoRossainz]

F

[@crispy2802]

I’m really excited to see the channel establish more recurring voices and perspectives. Good for you, Mitch, for letting others take the reigns for a bit (and for taking more of a break). Adding additional hosts makes the brand stronger imo.

[@jimharris5320]

My deck that is non-basic land destruction approves of the flip lands.

[@jimharris5320]

@AsiaNPC Wave of Vitriol

[@VVheeli]

Role Reversal with either copy effects or return it from the graveyard. All your $40 lands are mine. Here are islands and mountains for you.

[@Nergal123]

@@VVheeli that card is hilarious with karona.

[@sahrazad8213]

I've been playing EDH with cockatrice for a while (don't judge, I'm poor) and I've only recently realized how many MORE basics I need in my decks, even with 2 and 3 colour commanders

[@zarock61]

Also if your new just saying lands is not really that big of an issue tbh after watching some comp vids its not lands that are a super big problem its actually artifacts

[@DiabloTommaso]

Well i had a friend of mine realizing it the hard way 4 color 5 Basic is to low

[@actingempty3108]

I will never judge a player for not giving money to wotc

[@Stinkoman87]

Never underestimate the value of something that always comes in to play untapped, no rider.

[@lukesmith7589]

The last time I was this early, players actually liked Wizards.

[@leiftastad490]

So never?

[@lukesmith7589]

@@leiftastad490 Lol

[@merlintym1928]

The 90's?

[@ethanv374]

Wizards are fine, you just gotta watch out for the coastal variety 👀

[@lukesmith7589]

@@merlintym1928 Yup, Ice age.

[@connorhawkins315]

I was in a pod where two people were controlling the board heavily, about to kill everyone else. I topdecked and cast Ondu inversion, and the fourth person's bastion of rememberance killed both of the titans off, leaving just me and the other guy, so yeah, mdfcs can come in clutch

[@lordvaust5830]

Mod Lands are pretty cool, Not gonna lie. I especially like how some of them can be creatures or sorceries and so on. It gives a lot of variety to your library, being able to choose wether or not your draw is an extra land you need or a creature to block with and so on.

[@EpicGamerz01]

I hope people stop running so many basics. Makes my symmetrical “grab x basic lands” effects so much better

[@jasonholmes5714]

Makes Settle the Wreckage and Winds of Abandon absolute blowouts.

[@VVheeli]

Oh right. My friend plays that in his group hug deck. He and I get to search like 30 lands while my other friends with their CEDH decks search like 14 max it’s great.

[@justinanderson2631]

My Syr Carrah is gonna love using "Price of Progress"

[@IVI4V3R1CK]

+1 for the replacement cards! I've done this method so I can run a deck of each color combination. I can't afford 12 copies of Cyclonic Rift, but I can afford 1 copy and 12 tokens. What I've personally done is use blank playing cards. All my playgroups are OK with it, but if anyone ever complained I could just swap all the proxies with the real card before I shuffle up. Each blank card I wrote the card, CMC, type and subtype, effect, and right in the middle which deck its from. Then if I leave in a hurry and I can easily know where the real cards are at. This has been a 100% game changer, and I've turned a bunch of other players onto this method. Our games have gotten more powerful, more balanced, and I'm able to have a deck for (almost) every color and archetypes. It gives me more flexibility and ability to explore new options easier.

[@noahschiffgens7161]

Honestly no matter what there should be at LEAST 8 basics in any deck

[@SmoothJonny]

Can you explain your reasoning, path to exile, blood moon, ramp?

[@Basap1zti23]

@@SmoothJonny Probably all of them. Dont forget Settle the Wreckage.

[@matthewbrown336]

Agreed but I think that’s even low. I’d say min 50% of land base should be basic

[@justwrath2049]

I'd say 8 is a pretty good baseline, but it's very metagame-dependant : because my playgroups are light on nonbasic land hate, many of my 3+ color decks play fewer than 8, and I've always felt that was the right call, especially since my fetches can get the basics that I do have in my deck if I feel that's necessary. That way I don't miss out on optimal fixing and functionality. Now, if nonbasic land hate is prevalent in your playgroup, by all means, raise the number. I know I should think of adding more when I try new playgroups, in case I could get punished by Blood Moon, Ruination or the like. My mana fixing is probably "too good for no reason" in most of my decks, and I could do without the drawbacks of some of my lower-tier duals like painlands.

[@justwrath2049]

@@matthewbrown336 You do you, but 50% is an exaggeration to me, even in groups with a lot of nonbasic land hate. In a two-color deck, that works, but in 3+ colors, unless you're base green and running a lot of green basic-fetching effets, or your spells really aren't color-intensive, you will have color problems.

[@Hitzel]

My opinion on modal lands is that we have already had utility lands that tap for a color, tapped or untapped, for a long time and they haven't become dominant staples even though they "should have" on paper. The tapped modal lands compete with utility lands that come in tapped, the mythic ones compete with utility lands that come in untapped, and the pathways compete for existing mana bases. I suspect that most currently maintained decks will run 1 or 2 of these, one replacing one of those utility lands and one replacing a spell. In my casual Gallia list for example, I replaced my Khalni Garden for a Bala Ged Recovery and that feels great, but I haven't felt the need to add another. I also replaced a mountain with a Valakut Awakening in my competitive Neheb deck. That's it. I have also made 2 battlecruiser level casual decks using a lot of these modal lands, and I'm. gonna be honest too many of them feels really bad. The spells are just not that powerful and the tapped lands often can't be played, so I honestly think that natural selection will cause very few of these to be run in most decks, but choosing to run zero will only be the case when alternatives are being run.

[@arthurvandenbergh1881]

The only ones I really like are the mythics anyways because all the other ones are just bad spells and bad lands. The mythics are sweet because the 3 life hardly matters and topdecking a 7 CMC spell instead of a land in some games can come in clutch. I think all the mythics apart from the blue one are justifiable in any deck that has one of the colors, unless it’s some 5 color deck that really needs a very expensive manabase. Edit: there are some good rare and uncommon ones too, but only if they synergize with your deck. The mythics are the only ones that could be put up as auto includes imo

[@theotherguy4478]

@@arthurvandenbergh1881 an auto include in most, if not all, of my black decks is Malakir Rebirth. Most times I’ll be casting for the spell, but if I don’t need it, then I can use the land side. In my book, it is a win win. I use it along with Supernatural Stamina. A good way to protect a few key creatures.

[@arthurvandenbergh1881]

@@theotherguy4478 yeah malakir rebirth is a fine card, though I typically find those cards to be a bit too situational to really want to run. But that’s just personal preference

[@CRIMS0N_KING]

I feel I've got to run Blood Moon out of principle now

[@rey_nemaattori]

To the point of just splashing red to run Blood moon?

[@Evinthal84]

@@rey_nemaattori I'm going to pick one up for mono red Daretti...just out of spite

[@MekanikKommandoh88]

Pretty much all of my decks that run red have at least Blood Moon and often Magus since ramp good stuff is so disgustingly prevalent in EDH.

[@andrea9342]

Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of my Blood Moon

[@sandwichboy1268]

Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of my Counterspell

[@tomechan5139]

Sorry, can't hear you. My winter orb is much too loud for your bs

[@johnbuscher]

@@sandwichboy1268 Sorry, I can’t hear you over my car doing a Burnout.

[@HaeLoe]

I was actually very interested when these came out. I have a death’s shadow deck that has only two basics so I replaced the basics with the flip lands

[@marmics96]

You play those basics usually vs Path and Moon

[@HaeLoe]

True

[@HaeLoe]

@@brentgould958 very true, my only solution is side boarding

[@kendalcannon8858]

Can't wait to play Golos running a sole Field of the Dead and all MDFC's with Charbelcher other Oops all spells win cons

[@lucirmarvrasrockurd2029]

It sounds like you’re trying to cast a spell

[@dragomanpl1109]

If people stop running basics, wayfare's bauble is going to drop in price

[@johnbuscher]

I think Traveller’s Amulet is the new Wayfarer’s Bauble. It doesn’t put it into play, so it’s not quite as useful, but it is and handy for fetching a land later if you don’t have anything.

[@theotherguy4478]

Expedition Map may go up in price since it can fetch any land. The flip lands would like it, but the mdfcs will not.

[@GodlyDrmmrProductions]

The way my play group found to make the DFML cards easier to use is, we put the spell side face up in the sleeve, but if we're going to use it as a land, then we just put the spell in the lands area. We just ask that they look it up ahead of time if it comes in tapped, or can pay life, ect. In the case of the two land sides, we'll have them "pair" it next to a land of the same color, or use a piece or scrap paper and slide it in. If they have colored dice, we allow that as well to be placed on top. It's not a perfect system, but it's been functional so far!

[@TheBaconMagician]

This is a little thing, but I love how the channel's name is a double-entendre. It's "quarters" as in cheap cash, which is the focus of the channel. And "quarters" as in a hub for people to gather, get ideas, and hang out.

[@connorl0204]

Actually the name was inspired by how mitch used to build 25$ decks, meaning every card would have an average price of 25 cents

[@bluesight_]

Great content Mitch, I love this type of podcast-style discussion video. Eddie is really a superb addition to CQ (hope we continue to see him regularly) and Alec seems like a great co-host too!

[@alexpalmer9194]

I’ve been playing Feather The Redeemed lately, and Sejiri Shelter is absolutely amazing in the deck. There’s a few other ones I run, but that card has impressed me a lot in the deck. Being able to have a protection spell in my hand for the first couple turns after casting feather, that can be a land once I’ve found other means of protecting her is just amazing. I also run Shatterskull Smashing, and it has also put in some major work in my pod.

[@Thorinox]

For me, I have always ran a few lands lower then the standard (what I call standard of when you buy a deck from Walmart, 24 for a 60 card, 37 for a commander), like 22/23 for a 60 card, and 33/34 for a commander, but always ran 40%+ being basic, because they're are always a way to sqeeze in room for mana ramps like Command Tower, or Sol Ring. And then there are MANY different ways to search for lands like, Nature's Lore, Cultivate just to name a couple and if your not into green (which I mostly am), you can run a majorly nice card called Sword of the Animist. If your running heavy on a single or two color deck, throw in Nyx Lotus. Or like my table top Elf deck, where I only have 12 lands in a 60 card deck.

[@elijahdavila3684]

Personally, I don't even run tap lands in two color decks. I only use basics and some utility lands because the color requirements aren't too high, basics make your game play smoother and they're pretty much free. For me to consider running an MDFC, the spell side would have to be good enough on its own and then the ability to use it as a land would basically just be a corner case cherry on top for me.

[@diggerdog9205]

BEWARE THE BLOOD MOON 🤞

[@sandwichboy1268]

Yes, my mono red aggro deck is so scared of blood moon

[@diggerdog9205]

If you're running mono red you have bigger problems 😉

[@johnbuscher]

@@diggerdog9205 Yeah, but it’s satisfying to group slug with Torbran, especially if you’re treated as a weak player and left alone for a little bit.

[@diggerdog9205]

I too have a torbran deck 👊

[@diSTUD013]

*Mitch behind the scenes: "Make sure you find a way to talk about Wayfarer's Bauble!"

[@danielinfante1039]

Those new tokens designed for MDFC's are actually a god send if you like to have tokens of all your creatable token creatures from your other effects. They make for amazing blank template with a lot of space for however you wish to illustrate them! I'll be using mine to make my Rin and Seri tokens that Wizards never released! Also they could be used for creating your own custom commanders, if your playgroup allows it! I'm currently tinkering with balancing a custom commander that turns Mill effects you play into Fateseal.

[@nickd6303]

With there being better and better lands released each time it gives more reason to play more non basic land hate.

[@Crazymachin3gun]

Hey i act cant wait to finish watching this since there isnt like a hundred ad stops that we have seen in a few of this podcast episodes

[@hoppinonefoot]

I don’t put them into the deck as a land but rather as the spell slot. So I keep the same amount of lands but have those just incase

[@bowsindurrows8512]

If I actually used them, I would put them in as 2/3rds of a land.

[@dirksellsted6929]

Minimum run a basic for each of your colours. I have a cEDH deck that runs forbidden tutors so i have 2 snow covered lands and 3 regular basic for my 3 colour deck. honestly thinking I should remove my glimmer void for that 6th basic snow covered

[@hellbringer96]

As a mostly Mono Red player, I can say basic lands in commander still are important. That being said, I haven't had an excuse in any recent mono red build to not run a certain 4 of these things. A few lands that come in tapped is okay, and if you topdeck them later and can instead burn two creatures, fling a creature, borrow a creature, or cycle some of your hand away. Same reason I usually found room for some colorless utility lands. That being said, running untapped colored lands is still very important.

[@imwithyou38]

i think the red cyckle is the best out of all the colors because all of them but the creature are extremely playable

[@TheAverageGuyTAG]

For my Karlov deck, I'm playing the black and white mythics as basically free-rolls. I'm also playing Sejiri Shelter because a one-shot protection spell to protect my Voltron commanderis something I would not use up one of my spell slots for but IS something I'd gladly play if it takes up a land slot. Sejiri Glacier is currently the only land in my deck that always enters tapped, and I'm playing some amount of basics, so I don't think it negatively impacts my manabase in a meaningful way.

[@ikejohnson5494]

What I really like is the idea of using moonfolk or kefnet to bounce the lands to hand to give you the choice back

[@enersha]

imo the tapped flip lands are just if you need a landfall trigger that badly, and the spell has to be good enough. most of the spell sides are pretty weak imo

[@leemiller6977]

I pulled an Agadeem's Awakening last night from a set booster pack. Decided to celebrate by burning all my basic swamps with a torch......I sure didn't need them anymore!

[@12ntim]

I think the best reason for playing them is to get value out of land bouncing effects. Getting to play them as a land early AND the spell later is amazing.

[@MetalPheonix]

I always run at least 1 basic of each color i am running. then depending on the amount of nonbasic lands that come into play untapped (and how much green I'm running) determines how many basics I actually end up running. I have a 3 color deck that runs 12 basic lands, but i also have a 3 color deck that runs 20 basic lands. it's really dependant on the amount of basic land search, colors, and lands that come into play untapped.

[@felixhultman8410]

Surprisingly nice to see a mitchless video. Nothing against the bauble king but making cq feel like a group instead of a one man show just feels so good.

[@Kikasitsu]

I want to provide an correction to a statement that was mentioned, regarding Guild Gate land cards. These lands are fetchable with the following cards in mind: • Gatecreeper Vine [1G - 0/2 Defender] • District Guide [2G - 2/2] • Circuitous Route [3G - Sorcery, similar effect to Explosive Vegetation.] This goes on top of options that allow you to search for lands like “Tempt with Discovery” or “Sylvan Scrying.” *Addendum:* Not ALL Basics are affordable. (*See Arena Basic Lands, Lands that were drawn by Rebecca Guay, Guru Lands.)😆

[@sceadumor]

I've found having my mana base fully optimized makes a huge difference than it was before then.

[@BreadsticksWC]

So if they added the land sub type on the side, it would have been super nice. But there's so much basic land color manipulation in the game, its just whether you want to add it in your library or not, color consistency can only come from what artifacts and whatever mana "modifiers you add". So cards like chromatic lantern, joiner adept, urborg and whatnot that modify your mana is a decision to make your deck consistent. But you can search for the basics with Kodamas reach and Cultivate, Farseek, rampant growth and whatnot so it makes you benefit in having basic lands at the cost of spells. So theres a cost basis analysis in each card you put in the deck. If your running more basics, then you need to get the basic land ramp, if not your having more spells at the cost of ramp* (arguably).

[@michaelhodges9184]

I ended up building an all artifact Traxos, Scourge of Kroog deck using only nonbasic lands since I wanted to try something new and make something special. I quickly realized my mistake when my friend played Wave of Vitriol, destroying not only all my artifacts, but all of my lands as well. Did not feel good.

[@sandwichboy1268]

Yeah, I run about 15 wastes in my colorless kozilek edh deck, just for things like that. Without wastes, blood moon would also stop you from casting cards that require colorless.

[@Gloryofthereef]

Wish I had picked up like 10 bala ged recoveries when they were $0.12. They are like 7 bucks now, so the idea to use the mdfc tokens and keep one in my tokens box is really helpful!

[@apjapki]

I think the pathways are much better than described for budget nongreen 3 colour. Often with fixing the first land of that colour is the most important.

[@jthrone7768]

Mitch is everyone’s MTG dad, therefore it follows that Eddie must be the cool older brother.

[@aaron_n6310]

Not until someone plays back to basics or blood moon.

[@jamzejamesprentice355]

I really don't think people are considering not running basics

[@valentinbouvard7798]

17:28 if I find my self playing the same colors all the time.... let me think... simic or simic + white or simic + black or 5 colors simic?

[@Dukegroundflyer]

Sad to see Mitch not really in this one, but still loved the guest. Great content guys! :)

[@deeterful]

Blood Moon, Primal Order, and Ruination. That's all I'm gonna say.

[@DurdleMTG]

Both versions of my decks for Omnath (GUR, paper) and Omnath (RGWU, online) run a number of basic lands because the majority of my land search searches for basic lands. Nissa who shakes the world also cares about forests, and there aren't that many non-basic forests. For non-land centric decks, I still want to use some basics because many LD and MLD cards now cover only non-basic lands. It's insurance. Now, I could see where these lands are nice (I don't like the land on both sides cycle though), but honestly if the spell side isn't working in the deck, then it's no good in the deck. The only one I think would go in every deck that has Green is Bala Ged Recovery, though not over something like Eternal Witness necessarily. I'm not even sure I like the Mythic ones for any deck that has those colors, though the Black one may be the exception here. EDIT for grammar and: My paper GUR Omnath deck use 13-15 tokens created by individual cards already. I don't have much more room for those placeholder cards in my deck box XD

[@MekanikKommandoh88]

I think the MDFCs are being extremely overrated in everything but Standard. I like that they’ve made Oops! All Spells viable in other formats but the idea that you can just jam them into any deck in place of basics is dumb. Most of the spell portions of the cards are overcosted garbage and a mono-color land coming in tapped is usually bad unless it has an actual usable effect like Bojuka Bog.

[@Nergal123]

The tempo loss is too severe in many cases. Coming into play untapped is the difference between Duals/Shocks and mere guildgates. Only in 4-5 color do I play a decent amount of tapped lands due to budget constraints, but in two color I tend to avoid it as much as I can. The Mythic MDFC’s can be usable, but not an instant include, unless your deck is synergistic with the spell side basics or other options are better. I find that the non mythics have more usable spell sides, but are still highly conditional due to the land side coming into play tapped.

[@Nergal123]

@@ceulgai2817 Those are better in more cases in my opinion, and I still don’t use them at all other than in mono color, very infrequently in two color. They are good with cards like Ramunap excavator, Crucible of Worlds, World Shaper and the like. Not to mention card draw payoff cards like Niv-Mizzet, cycling payoffs like Astral Drift, and discard payoffs like Bone miser. On top of that they draw you a card, which yes could be a dud, but aside from only a couple of the MDFC’s will be more consistent in getting what you actually need at that stage of the game. So as I said previously, unless your deck specifically has synergy with the MDFC’s there are likely better options. Moreso if you have a larger budget, but with all the great budget options nowadays even I can build a consistent 4 color land base on practically nothing. Edit: Also I’m not saying they are bad, a couple of them are really good. One a bit too much that its outside of budget range sadly, but they are definitely not auto include.

[@MekanikKommandoh88]

@@ceulgai2817 The cycle lands have way more utility than most of these cards.

[@jasonholmes5714]

Bala Ged Recovery is like $1.25-$1.50 now y’all go get them before they go even higher.

[@harutakami1313]

my friend played a game of commander recently and dropped a Blood Moon. He was met with "Who plays basics in Commander?" as he looked down at his midgame 'all-but-one-of-these-land-are-basic' boardstate

[@luispolanco5966]

So many times players get screwed by these types of lands and in the back of my mind I'm thinking: if he drew a basic there instead of a freaking rogue passage or bojuka bog he'd be good.

[@enersha]

I'm just wondering if you could run a 5 colour deck with 100% spell-lands

[@mark1A100]

there are enough of them yes. there are 36 of them even split to each color.

[@enersha]

@@mark1A100 some of them are ridiculously unplayable though =.=

[@MekanikKommandoh88]

You can. It would be a terrible deck though.

[@Petronio39]

Another cost saving measure is going to wish.com and searching proxies. A full set of original dual lands and fetches should run you like 10 bucks. They'll take like a month to arrive, but when they do you've got yourself a nice 5 color mana base along with 2 of each basic, a command tower, exotic orchard is pretty cheap, and maybe a couple of the cheap fetches like evolving wilds and terramorphic expanse.

[@RvBnerd618]

In my Land's Wrath deck, I still play a bunch of basic lands to be able to trigger Landfall skills more easily. Tho the double sided cards have potential if Wizard continues to make different types. So far Bala Ged Recovery and Ondu Inversion are great entries for the deck, the creatures are all okay, but nice to have in case I need one or the other. So nah, I think basic lands are fine the way they are, safe bets for any deck and serves their purpose one way or another.

[@CrimsonHiroX07]

I run no less than 10 basic lands for any deck, including my 5-color decks. Case in point: Blood Moon, Ruination, Primal Order, Price of Progress, Back to Basics, and for the person who runs no basics in their deck: From the Ashes. I've personally played around a Blood Moon in 5-colors several times though with the likes of Chromatic Lantern, or the use of heavy red cards (Kiki Jiki + Tyrant of Discord), and yes, I'm aware that triple red in a 5-color deck doesn't make sense, but that deck doesn't make sense to begin with. (When asked, What's your win condition, I answer: "Yes".)

[@mark1A100]

personally I really like the duel sided duels in 2-3 color decks I am also a big fan of the mythics specifically the black red and green ones. the white is okay but a bit specific. I think the blue is okay in decks that are drawing a ton anyway but is pretty bad in most decks since its way to much win moreish. in the rare slot i think the red one is almost an auto include it being 3 mana to cast and only having one pip and effectivly cycling all the useless cards in your hand., white and black are very worth it as a 8 mana board wipe while not ideal can be great in the late game and a removal spell on a land is a okay with me the big risk being the double pip. the blue rare is more specific on if you have some creature worth copying and the green one is the most questionable just being a big body. in the uncommon slot i really only like the black uncommon that can save your creature since it can be usefull to save your commander and retrigger etbs.

[@thumbwrestler12]

I feel like some of the new model lands can slot into a land slot or spell slot. Basic lands are still great and aren't too basic. The ones the can enter untaped are definitely includes over basics if you're not a buget player. I feel like the ones that entertaped are okay for buget players. Every deck is different thanks for the tips

[@snapcaster1946]

I'm a bit surprised they didn't mention bouncing the lands back to the hand in late game to use the spell.

[@jeffnorris211]

The pathways are the only ones I’d run other than the malakir reborn one. 1 mana 2 life save your best creature is worth the risk of a tapped land.

[@andersrolig]

I run around 19 basics in my four color decks and 23 in my five color. No problem. In Breya i run 13, but I run some artifactlands there. Green ramp baby!

[@tefin420]

I have a karametra deck that I geta lot of hate about because I purposely only run basics. Every land in the deck can be fetched by my commander and when I play them every one of them comes in untapped. Why would I ever want a land that can't be fetched or come in untapped when my commander already solves all my color fixing?

[@Raymundito1]

The intro to this episode was really funny

[@sidneyyoungiv3712]

I run a 5-color Slivers deck with no basic lands. I don't even run dual lands in it. Most of my lands tap for any color. I do run each of the tri-lands...

[@finnmmc]

This is awesome! Are you guys going to do another game play ep?

[@shamtactics4712]

Could you not search the new lands with instant/sorcery tutors if you need a land that badly?

[@EllingOftedal]

I love my basic lands, they are matching full art where the art matches the theme of the art of my commander. I have no deck with less than 25 basic lands. Don't think that will change much even with power creep.

[@merlintym1928]

Basic lands will always be relevant because of poor.

[@coinswaptrader2915]

because of mono colored commanders also!

[@gustavosousa5246]

Hey guys, there any plans for the next close quarters?

[@Beefman.0]

bruh imagine getting kicked off your own show

[@angelusnielson7135]

I've said it before, basic lands are pretty much the only "Must add" card that people never complain about. (Yes, I know there are some exceptions to that, you don't need to tell me.)

[@sawderf741]

the module lands work great with the bounce lands.

[@matthewbrown336]

I’m a huge fan of basics for usability, fetchability, and when full face taken into account aesthetic flavour

[@sandwichboy1268]

I run the guild basics in my 2 color pauper decks. They're much cheaper than full art basics and they look rather snazzy

[@definitelynotawizard2828]

In my opinion most MDFC cards should almost never be run in place of a basic land. Run them in place of a spell. The only real exception to this is the pathways in two color decks.

[@shaneourada5952]

I love these lands for my Yuriko deck cause they have a mana cost

[@alexmendoza9645]

This is how I see you sir, I like a fair fight and I hate it when I can't play my spells. I hope they print enough of these to replace all the plains and mountains in my single color decks. I just hope they don't print green spells that look for non basic lands to care about the advantage it has in Commander. Also swamp players will still have an affinity for a basic lands to power their cabal coffers.

[@alexmendoza9645]

To combat this they should print non-basic land hate at lower cost in black, red, and white.

[@Aldrnari956]

I’m pretty happy with the MDF cards. At least in their current iteration, they aren’t overpowered or broken.

[@duuet5614]

Cant wait for the broken ones in 2 years

[@Aldrnari956]

@@duuet5614 and there’s the truth. Mechanics that seem great at first always end up pushed out of control.

[@duuet5614]

@@Aldrnari956 yeah like look at landfall it used to be pretty average like 10 years ago. Now we got 4 color omnath

[@chlotato8237]

Can't believe I just watched Mitch rotate out of standard

[@corhydrae3238]

One of my first games trying out mdfc's had me killing the dominant player with Kazuul's Fury. So yeah, I'm all in favor of these cards. In moderation of course.

[@imwithyou38]

i think fury is one of the better imo, in a lot of decks it can end a game in standard with extreme ease and it also allow to u prevent a exile and can then kill another target if opp isnt on low life. ive never really played commander because i dont have a group of a friends to play with but i could def see it useful in a lot of non faster pace decks

[@corhydrae3238]

@@imwithyou38 I only play commander, and I would usually not maindeck Fling, because it can easily just end up as a dead card in your hand. That's why Kazuul's Fury is really useful. I also play Song-Mad Treachery for the same reason.

[@imwithyou38]

@@corhydrae3238 well obviously but even if you wouldnt main deck fling its still at least a decent card in general but there is just so many better cards its not usually considered but upping the cost by 1 mana which really isnt that big of a deal and you can use it as a land. valakut awakening seems like it would be perfect for 3+color decks as most the time it would really help if you are missing a color for mana or u have a string of unlucky draws. im sure there is other time where it would be good also but i dont know enough about commander decks to give any other exact situation

[@alexanderkaufman3575]

Anyone notice the fact that the mythic MDFC lands feel like they should be legendary? You have named lands such as Shatterskull, Agadeem, and Emeria which suggest legendary lands.

[@kingcoheed1208]

Are the lands that always come in untapped too slow?

[@PaulGaither]

Are Basic Lands Now Too Basic? No I saved you 25 minutes. (Seriously, this topic has been done to death for years)

[@RvBnerd618]

Thank you my friend

[@mtgsus]

I think basics will always be viable in edh, simply because most ramp/fetches can get them out. Also you don't need to worry about punish effects like blood moon or back to basic.

[@Battleguild]

I feel that Basics should be made special by making all Basics being Full Art lands. Either gorgeous landscapes like the OG Zendikar had, or highly stylized basics in the Theros: Beyond style. The plain half art and half opaque color with a mana symbol, while a classic, looks really ugly and have no other place than taking up space in a bulk land box.

[@elijahbrewer1820]

Basic lands will always be a staple. Not to mention affecting a player's basics is strongly hated in commander. Easiest way to lose a play group is be the land destruction guy.

[@jonathanryals9934]

I started back at Magic after a 10 year hiatus after my duffel bag full of cards was stolen... :( i had 18 dual lands and a full blue black white combo set... Sigh... Those are gonna be tough to buy at modern prices... I can't even bear to look up how much they are worth now...

[@TheRedKnightOfPain]

People should run more basics tbh, to many upsides. Now, my opinion if these new MDFC lands taking a land slot is VERY dependent on you deck, for example if youre running a mono green/blue/black deck or most 2 colored decks, you can slot these in as utility lands, if youre mono red/white or boros, or youre a 4-5 color deck, its probably wiser to have them take a spell slot and treat those cards more like mana fixing.

[@cybersnap6072]

*casts blood moon*

[@drunerugland8217]

Hey mitch, love your videos, I have a video Idea for you. I love the commander format, but when I get to the combat step, I just freeze. I would love it if you made a video about commanders that don't use the combat step to win.

[@dorsalfin22]

Burn decks, wheel decks, and pingers are some of my favorite non combat strategies (non-combo as well.) Pingers especially!

[@drunerugland8217]

@@dorsalfin22 thank you so much for the advice

[@toobles3]

Why have the basic land side out? Why not just have teh spell side out, and use those zendikar blank cards as a fill in for the land? if it taps or have to pay 3 life, write on the blank card

[@koelkast9]

I actually added more basics to my sisay deck and thats not a budget brew. With 12 fetches (fabled passage and chromatic vista) and shocks ill lose a lot of life just from my landbase. Also path to exile fail to find kinda sucks.

[@beecherry3943]

I mean like but I have them I don’t have the land from 4 years before I started playing and that’s def the most important part of a card, the fact I have it

[@mikotagayuna8494]

I don't understand how Mitch is not an authority on basic lands. They're literally the most budget of budget cards.