Are Catholics about to have another schism?

Der Synodale Weg, or The Synodal Path is a controversial project of the Catholic Church in Germany, and some are worried that there could be a new schism within the church because of it.

[@SpaceButler010]

"The Vatican is concerned with ideas coming from Germany to reform the Catholic Church" Now where have I heard this one before?

[@EdgardoSilva-od3td]

Oh man, not again

[@darthbanana7]

permanent reformation

[@ivan25099]

Lutheranism +

[@patrickmccarthy7877]

Luther had the right idea.

[@jenex5608]

Luther was right

[@albertoc8151]

“Tensions are rising between Germany and Rome”. Now, isn’t this a nice summary of the past 2000 years

[@darthbigred22]

LOL little longer than that...Rome never conquered Germania by the sword.

[@michaeljvm]

More like 1000 but sure 😂

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

It's been at least 500 hundred years since the last one.

[@redpillow7221]

I got an idea, whenever a priest gets caught abusing a child, the first time, they are excommunicated, and turned over to legal authorities for their crime.

[@tent405]

used to be they would be cloistered for life and forced to live a life of penance as a monk with constant supervision

[@dolandlydia]

@@tent405 right. I doubt it. Pedophilia hasn't anything to do with being celibate. They go into the priesthood to molest.

[@diannalaubenberg7532]

Good idea.

[@Sicilianus]

this wasn’t a problem until the 1960s. why? they started letting homosexuals into the priesthood

[@wendyleeconnelly2939]

@@Sicilianus no, girls get abused too. There have almost certainly always been closeted gays in the priesthood, for centuries. It used to be said that celibacy was the problem, but it happens with Protestant assemblies too. It's about misconduct, pure and simple.

[@gaiusoctavius5935]

It's always the Germans.

[@WarmPotato]

^ Beat me to it

[@solideogloria2006]

Martin only preached the Bible, and what did he get for that? Persecution and one word from the pope and i quote "retract" they could not defend themselves from scripture but martin stood firm on the point that your so called infallible church is contrary to that standard which God has given to His body. You catholics ask where does the Bible say the Bible alone. Tho scripture does not contain those words "the Bible alone", it does however contain the idea that all experiences and doctrines should be tested by the word of God and if its not in sync with scripture it should be disregarded. Isaiah 8:20 KJV - To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. There is no light in the papacy. Nowhere in scripture is indulgences mentioned. Nowhere in scripture is the seventh day sabbath called explicitly a Jewish day. The sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath. Sunday is a spurious sabbath nowhere are we told to observe it as a holy day. The Seventh day is the sabbath and is the sign that God is our creator for in six days He created the heavens and the earth then rested on the seventh day not the first day which your church so arrogantly set up as her mark of authority. Isaiah58:13If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: 14Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it. Nowhere in scripture is worshipping marry exceptable. You dont worship mary? the Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures, the verb proskuneo is used to translate various Hebrew verbs, including the words for "bow", "kiss", "serve" and "worship". The Apostle Peter does not allow Cornelius to proskuneo before him, in Acts 10:25-26; In the book of Revelation, the angel also refuses proskynesis from the narrator (John) in Rev 19:10 and Rev 22:8-9. Your idols of mary think not neither can they speak. Exodus20:1¶And God spake all these words, saying, 2I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Malachi 3:6 KJV - For I am the LORD, I change not; Your so called infallible church has done nothing but persecute the saints of The Most High. She trampled upon His law, she has made it void. Come out of this idolatrous, backslidin whore called Babylon lest ye take part of her sins and receive of her plagues.

[@gaiusoctavius5935]

@@solideogloria2006 You really said all of that for no reason because I'm not even a Catholic, but hey, you do you. I'm curious, are you a KJV onlyist or do you just like the way the texts flow?

[@morpheusgreene2704]

@@solideogloria2006 Why cant people realize that "man" in the bible only refers to Jews? This is exactly where the orthodox Jewish belief of Jewish supremacy comes from. The goyim exist so that the Jew does not have to be served by animals. It is right there in the Talmud.

[@solideogloria2006]

@@WeighnMeasure yes luther thaught two books of the Bible were not supposed to be there but he got convicted that the whole of scripture is one chain with absolutely no contradictions. And on the antisemitism of luther, that has nothing to do with what he saw in scripture. He did not once claim that scripture supports antisemitism he believed jews are bad as a result of what the church taught him. Was hitler not a agent of the pope? And no one said martin luther is infallible. Martin himself never claimed to have a perfect understanding of scripture but he knew and was willing to die for the fact that the catholic church is not in harmony with Scripture.

[@b.l.8755]

I can't believe the German bishops are saying the abusers are only abusing because they aren't married. I don't think that's how it works

[@annb9029]

Right if it was just about sex the priest would just resign and then go get married to a woman , or go to a prostitute if a dishonest priest, but really only sick people hurt kids

[@Fernando-ek8jp]

@@annb9029 Look at it this way: If having sex at all is already considered wrong, amd having sex with children is considered wrong, then the jump from one to another isn't as big as it is for most people. Add to that the fact that priests are generally trusted members of the community, with easy access to children. Children are less likely to resist or denounce abuse, because they don't know what's going on. So, if you feel the inclination to do something wrong, why not go for the easy target that's less likely to get you found out?

[@Fernando-ek8jp]

Look at prohibition or drug criminalization. Most of us can agree that drinking alcohol or smoking weed aren't that big of a deal, but when those actions are criminalized, it means that by drinking one beer, or smoking one joint, you're already a criminal. So if you already had to commit a crime to perform those acts, it's less of a big deal to commit another crime to commit another act

[@joer9156]

@@Fernando-ek8jp yeah I think there's some truth to that.

[@RepublicofE]

Rampant pedophilia in the heart of the Holy See has been a fact since the middle ages. It's spoken of in Luther's writings and he does say the mandatory celibacy is related to it, but not for the reasons people give today. Luther's argument was that mandatory celibacy, which he called a doctrine of demons, was the devil's playground for clergy who were taught to think it made them closer to God, allowing the devil to ensare them with traps and scandals. Consider that back then teenage boys were regularly enrolled in monasteries. From that time on they were forced into a lifetime of works-based piety and sexual confusion that could produce some very ugly fruit down the road.

[@shirtless6934]

In Germany, whether a person “leaves the church” may be more of a tax question than a religious or theological question. If a German identifies himself as Catholic, Protestant, or Jewish, he is required to pay a “church tax” which is deducted from his paycheck. Depending on where the person lives, the “church tax” is equal to 8% or 9% of the amount the person pays in income tax. The government collects the tax and then distributes it to the church, less an administrative handling fee. The only way to avoid paying the “church tax” is to disaffiliate with the church. Persons who have “no religion” are not liable to pay the “church tax.” A person who leaves the church will not be able to have children baptized in the church, nor will he be able to marry or have his funeral in the church. A person who disaffiliates with the church is required to pay a one-time fee. A lot of Germans pay the “church tax” out of habit or inertia, but as more of them become dissatisfied with the church, and cease to be as active as they once were, they will leave formally. What would be great is if Germany could eliminate the “church tax” and remove the financial disincentive and see where membership and participation goes from there.

[@anarchorepublican5954]

Oh !...so that is what the Founding Fathers meant by?: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;..."

[@shirtless6934]

@@anarchorepublican5954 I think it is safe to say a church tax would be unconstitutional in the US.

[@anarchorepublican5954]

@@shirtless6934 ...that goes without saying..no Established Federal religion...means no federal Church Tax. ..however at that time 8 of the 13 individual Colonies/States did have established state churches...the 1st Amendment originally had no intended affect on them at all...the last State to abolish their established Church was Massachusetts in 1833...so much for the popular political myth of "separation of church and state"...

[@shirtless6934]

@@anarchorepublican5954 You are correct. The First Amendment originally was not applicable to the states, and there were established churches through 1833. In the 1940s, though, the Supreme Court held that the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause were binding on the states by virtue of the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. See Cantwell v. Connecticut (1940) and Everson v. Board of Education (1947). As for “separation of church and state,” that phrase does not appear in the Constitution, but consider: under the Constitution, as written, and as later interpreted, neither Congress nor the states may make an establishment of religion or prohibit the free exercise thereof thereof, and no religious test may be imposed as a qualification to hold office (Article VI). Given all that, I do not see how church and state could be anything other than separate. Watch out for Clarence Thomas, though, as he wants to overturn “substantive due process” cases. Cantwell and Everson were decided on that basis. Of course, Clarence will be a hypocrite until he recognizes that Loving v. Virginia (1967) was a substantive due process case and votes to overturn it. Marriage is not mentioned in the Constitution and is historically left to the states to regulate, and states were considered free to prohibit interracial marriages if they wanted to. See Pace v. Alabama (1884). Clarence really needs to ponder what his life would be like if his view of the Constitution were still followed.

[@anarchorepublican5954]

@@shirtless6934 ...What?..can't a brutha marry a white sister ...without accepting lame legal theories...or leftist innovation and activism from the bench? ...Justice Thomas probably firmly believes he has that God given right to begin with...not dispensed with any State or Nation's permission, nor some half baked Supreme Court "Loving" decision...nor even the Constitution, which fails to address the issue at all...nor in fact should we reasonably ever expect it to... advocating interracial marriage would be an absurd historical anachronism in late 1700s America...So why repeatedly twist this olde document so out of is context...instead of just amending it accordingly? ...Politically motivated power grabs, wrong ideas about "rights", and unconstitutional judicial short cuts...and always on the Left... Thomas, God bless him.. is merely (and consistently) pointing these out...one by one...a House of Cards....much like the honest little boy who proclaimed that the Emperor actually has no clothes on... Now that sounds like the exact opposite of a "Hypocrite" to me....

[@masterspark9880]

5:49 “Tensions seem higher than they ever have been before” I think there was a time when they were much worse

[@EmperorSigismund]

30 Years War 2 let's go!

[@MenwithHill]

@@EmperorSigismund Sweden landing in Germany when ?

[@JudithSanchez-ht6jn]

Are all the Germans catholic agree with ose ideas of some doesn’t approve.

[@cherubim7049]

@@JudithSanchez-ht6jn im a catholic from Germany, and there is still a minority in the church and even some bishops, like the bishop of Regensburg, or cardinal of Köln who are not supporting those reformation 2.0. But they are under big pressure... We pray to save the church

[@JudithSanchez-ht6jn]

@@cherubim7049 thank you for that promisingly news. I think the days when they were anti papas. Pope like Francisco are no new and I think that he hates the catholic. Paris is one apostate because in the past we’re the most faithful to the Church. Germany the Catholics and good Luterans are accused of facist.

[@hartfartpoptart]

Francis' comment about German already having a Protestant church is great.

[@jacksprattt6396]

He said "great protestant church".

[@rodneymugwara3206]

mans got bars😂

[@titaniumxete97]

Legendary. That comment alone should have ended all this.

[@anarchorepublican5954]

@@jacksprattt6396 ...great sarcasm...

[@jacksprattt6396]

@@anarchorepublican5954 There is a great Lutheran church in Germany .... the SELK.

[@sk00k]

Pope: "Germany has a great Protestant Church, but I don't want another one, because it won't be as good." Me, a Lutheran: 💀💀💀

[@jaynesager3049]

Marriage will not stop rapists. It’s a predatory compulsion, and many predators are married.

[@glenncordova4027]

Marriage won't stop pedophilia either.

[@Seth9809]

But if they allow marriage, they'll recruit people who want to be married, instead of people who don't want to be married (Because they want to prey on children).

[@chimeremnmaozioko17]

@Seth9809 we have fathers who sexually abuse their own children. Allowing marriage is lazy. It won't stop the problem. It's shifting the blame elsewhere.

[@jaynesager3049]

@@Seth9809child predators are motivated by power and control. The psychological dynamics are not about sex or sexuality. Marriage does not stop a predator, just gives them a cover. Celibacy is not the cause of sexual assaults.

[@ShirleyAnnPetrillo-oj7sc]

There must be some certain psychological difference(s) between those who accept & agree and those who reject & disagree with Celibacy Law. Would ending this 901 year old law be any kind of a solution?

[@inferno0020]

Until recently, American Protestant leaders blame sex abuse as a "Catholic problem" and fail to discuss sex abuse problems. It is not just an issue of making certain faith look bad; it is about minimizing power abuse. Such a change can't exist without the younger generation of Protestants that start questioning the past abuses within their own denomination. The same thing can be said about non-religious groups: sports teams, academia, showbiz, workplace, business, military edit: places that are neglected, like orphanages, detention centers, prisons, or poor neighborhoods, will always have higher risks.

[@annb9029]

Right bad people infiltrate all organizations

[@jaidengabriel1675]

At least from my experience, some churches are wisening up (i.e. at my church for VBS there is a pair system and the pairs cannot be family members to keep everyone accountable. Plus, all the people do background checks, Pastors included.)

[@WilliamMcAdams]

From what I understand, the Catholic Church is, statistically, one of the least offenders in sexual misconduct. Which is truly phenomenal, considering its 1.7 billion members. Schools, sports teams, social clubs, etc. all score higher, statistically, on "chance of being sexually abused while in attendance." [Edit: Albeit, one instance of sexual abuse is one too many, especially within the Church of God. I don't want to downplay the problem, but I do want to represent it accurately.]

[@soarel325]

@@WilliamMcAdams While this is true, the Church has a systemic problem with covering it up and protecting the abusers.

[@anthonym.7653]

@@WilliamMcAdams what?! No one has paid out more settlement $$$ than the catholic church over the last 20 years. Not even close. Although JWs are trying to catch up. Not a group you want to be compared with.

[@mitromney]

In an astonishing way, theological liberalism made all Christians more unified then ever before. Today a conservative evangelical and a conservative Catholic have way more in common than liberal Catholics with conservative Catholics, and same for evangelicals. And I don't mean just similar views on sexual morality or theology. They march in the same protests, watch the same media outlets, vote for the same politicians, stand up against the same abortions, gay marriages, gender ideologies etc. The world made us do what no theological dialogue ever could - it brough us back together, out of necessity, sheer will for survival in the crazy world around us. And things are only speeding up more and more! What a time to be alive!

True. I never imagined, say, pentecostals and catholics rallying together, which I've seen.

[@eashoots3930]

More than anything now, we have to pray for our church. For peace and for unity 🙏🙏🙏

[@JPPaul-bw3te]

I don't want to be in union with the liberal German church.

[@joycegreer9391]

Which church would that be?

[@mwol5473]

As a German Catholic liberals are the greatest threat to the Church and it must be destroyed... The Left is destroying all culture in Europe and the liberal garbage being pushed all by design to destroy Whites

[@eashoots3930]

@joycegreer9391 the Cristian Catholic church. The one in the bible and that comes from Jesus himself. And for unity with those who were in the church and left it.

[@eashoots3930]

@@JPPaul-bw3te well, that is why I asked for prayers. Because they are wrong and I understand that. But if they understood their wrong and changed, there would not be a problem.

[@keittkatranch5167]

The Protestant Reformation was about Sola Scriptural, this one appears to be about being like the surrounding culture.

[@leullakew9579]

Spot on.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

In both cases, though, Rome got caught red-handed doing something that was an absolute affront to the gospel (spiritual abuse bordering on extortion, sexual abuse with follow up spiritual abuse of silencing the victims). I’m just dumbfounded that anyone would be a Catholic with even a brief history of the church’s failures.

[@aliastheabnormal]

Its as if collaborating with the Nazi's wouldn't lead to horrible consequences down the road?! Who would have thought?!

[@Destroyercon]

@@Justanotherconsumer This is true, but sadly it seems to be the case that in this schism, unlike past schisms and the reformation, both sides are wrong both doctrinally and morally.

[@brittoncain5090]

@@Justanotherconsumer That's like being shocked someone would follow Christ because he called His betrayer to follow Him.

[@genann_1441]

It's really weird how in Germany the Catholic Church has been slowly going Liberal since the 1970s while here in United States it has been slowly going Conservative. I read a couple of articles a couple of days ago about the recent USCCB elections and the Liberal minded people were not at all happy with the results.

[@drrepair]

After the collapse of the Third Reich Germany was occupied by major superpowers. The US hegemony did brake the spirit of the Germans by funding a sexual revolution that became obvious in the late sixties but is still ongoing. The Catholic Church was the hardest nut to crack but now She has been broken. When sex is promoted every where in society a refuge in a Church should be welcomed. That’s why the US Catholics are decade ahead but no funding is awarded. Chastity doesn’t sell it seems.

[@anarchorepublican5954]

... what exactly is "conservative" about the United States Bishops Conference ?....

[@drrepair]

I guess not, but if there is anywhere a counter-movement against the Jesuit- "You wish" alliance it is in the USA. "You wish" oligarchs fund the Jesuit homosexual agenda. But ultimately it is Christ that is in charge of history. You may speak about it in the US but not in Germany. They have to plug into the US Catholic Culture war.

[@stephenjohnson9632]

@@anarchorepublican5954 Strong stance on abortion. Strong stance on sexuality. etc.

[@eugeniovincenzo1621]

@@anarchorepublican5954 he speaking relative to the German Catholic Church...which is true...I knew what he was talking about I go to Latin Mass...

[@Squeeblededoo]

"Tension has never been higher" *glances at the 30 years war*

[@erikriza7165]

this latest brew has been simmering for a long time. and not only in Germany

[@ferrjuan]

“Germany has a great Protestant Church, but I don’t want another one, because it won’t be as good.” - Based Pope Francis

[@toastydoge9934]

Rare papa Francis W

[@aceraphael]

*common ​@@toastydoge9934

[@lawtonblandford4100]

Having been a victim of clerical sexual attacks as a young adult seminarian; and, having gone through the archdiocesan process of relief; I experienced nothing but disappointment in my expectation of any kind of justice. As a native North Carolina Catholic, my spirit has been broken.

[@joriankell1983]

That is terrible. God is right about humans being wicked by their very nature

[@Emi-yy6uy]

As a fellow Catholic. Anyone in the church involved in this should be excommunicated and turned to the general public to be handled. It’s been made more complicated than need be. A horrendous act

[@harlleygurrola8394]

I am so sorry, I hope you get Justice

[@MB-pd8gt]

Lawton, I am so sorry you’ve gone through this suffering. My heart goes out to you and I hope that your spirit can heal.

[@Texasp12]

I'm sorry, I'm of the Curch of Christ, but I'll pray for you.

[@subversiveasset]

"We have a great Protestant church in Germany, but I don't want another one, because it won't be as good." cold blooded, lol.

[@erikriza7165]

subversiveasset i think that was actually kind of a dumb thing for a Pope to say

[@sjappiyah4071]

That was one of the most vile insults ever, that was smooth Francis lol

[@erikriza7165]

@@sjappiyah4071 i agree

[@tacitus7797]

One thing I have never understood about this - was why the Catholic church so "hands off" when dealing with misbehaving priests; seriously they were breaking their oath to God to be celibate by having sex. Organizations hide (or attempt to hide) stuff all the time and it should be noted; I am not talking about that. In some case clearly people in power were told exactly what happened and the priests weren't immediately defrocked. Why is a priest breaking an oath considered not serious? Is child-molestation not considered having sex?

[@curiousing]

Catholic priests don't take an oath to God to be celibate. They take a vow of obedience to their bishop who, in the West, requires they remain celibate. There are in fact many married Catholic priests elsewhere in the world. They weren't defrocked or otherwise punished for a host of reasons: severe priest shortage, Catholic belief in conversion of heart and repentance, the desire to give them another chance, etc. But it was foolish to move them to another parish because they obviously endangered more children and youth.

[@tacitus7797]

@@curiousing Thanks for the clarification. And I also suspected the priest shortage had something to do with.

[@Fernando-ek8jp]

@@curiousing it has a lot to do with it. I come from a primarily catholic nation and they're still struggling with shortages here. Which is another reason they want to change things. Not kicking out priests for being predators keeps them from losing more priests... But it also creates reputation al damage that might keep people from wanting to join. The reason as to why catholics are getting more progressive is because, well, people are getting more progressive. The pool of "traditional, catholics is getting smaller and smaller.

[@BeachsideHank]

@@curiousing "Catholic belief in conversion of heart and repentance, the desire to give them another chance, etc" Besides the ineffective power of prayer, what does the church offer the damaged children of priestly abuse?

[@WilliamMcAdams]

The Church has lost any judicial authority, and the Scriptures teach us to handle Church matters "in Church", as not to bring shame on the Church by going before secular courts. I despise the act of child abuse, and would rather see a millstone tied to an abusers neck and them thrown in a river. But the Churches hands are kind of tied, as is. If you hand abuse "in Church", without judicial authority, you can't meet the requirements for justice. You deny the Bible. If you take the abuser before the courts to seek justice, you bring open shame to the Church. You deny the Bible. Maybe I've overthought it, but it seems like a lose/lose situation for the Church. Giving the matters of morality over to the secular governments has been a nightmare. [To note, I would still rather see an abuser taken before courts, and punished, rather than it to be handled "in Church" with no judicial authority. If they're, truly, both sinful -- going before the courts seems to be the least sinful, in this instance.]

[@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts]

Hey, I have an idea! Why don't they write a formal protest. They can nail it to a church door.

[@BUSINESSCHICMAMA]

Right on. There’s nothing new under the sun.

[@anarchorepublican5954]

... they've already nailed rainbow flags to the Cross...✞🏳‍🌈➩

[@crowbirdryuell]

Where do I heard about this before?🤨

[@sualtam9509]

They already did on the internet. Nailing stuff on public places like church doors was the 16th century equivalent of publishing somthing in a newspaper. Basically Luther just published his thesis like any old professor at his time.

[@Emi-yy6uy]

It’ll work out great. They’ll have many churches in a couple hundred years

[@bekblaku1364]

Your portrayal and reporting of this issue was stunningly comprehensive and concise for only 9 minutes. Thank you! Subscribed.

[@AF-tv6uf]

Did he just say that morality is a "niche existence?"

[@UrsahSolar]

Yes, the Bishop said that.

[@johnswanson7504]

What does that mean?

[@fuzbeatboxern5714]

2:07

[@homerwiggins3965]

That bishop is a commie.

[@buddyroeginocchio9105]

@@johnswanson7504 It means that following the commands of God and scripture is observed by an insignificant minority, in the opinion of that bishop.

[@wellofbeersheba]

The declining numbers in the Anglican church reveal that you do not grow by becoming more like the culture around you.

[@dylangtech]

The exodus of Anglicans to the Catholic Church is monumental. We felt the sudden rush in some cities. Ironically their services are more old-school than Novus Ordo, so you can tell if a Parish is Anglican-inspired by the number of times you hear “thou” and “thy” and if the Vestments are gold-ish green instead of deep green :) Also Boy Scouts has imploded because it chose donations from left-wing companies over…. The conservative Boy Scouts and their families. They are now almost completely gone from all facets of society.

[@Vilik-nm7ry]

And how would you like to account for declining numbers in every other denomination? Both sides aren’t reading the room. Most of us would like to go to church, take our sacraments, worship our God, and visit our fellow parishioners during coffee hour after mass. One side wants to bludgeon everyone with a lecture about why homosexuality is the GRAVEST sin while the other wants to rainbow-fy the church. Both are annoying and distract from what people want which is to just go to church and worship our God without feeling like they have to tell their gay brother that he’s going to hell or reciting the heretical sparkle creed.

[@henricusrealms8411]

"Complaints against unchaste priests are common. Platina writes that it is for this reason that Pope Pius is reported to have said that although there are reasons why marriage was taken away from the priests, there are far more important reasons why it should be given back. Since our priests wanted to avoid these open scandals, they married wives and taught that it was lawful for them to enter into marriage" (Augsburg Confession, XXIII 1-4). The German confessors in the 16th Century warned them.

[@johnschuh8616]

And 500 years later what is marriage?

[@TheWorldBroadcast]

The Synod has really been a disaster for us. The Bishops said let us ask the faithful for what they think they need and found that most people are not faithful. "Shocking", is my take.

[@Spartan322]

You would think someone would realize that authority is supposed to go down, not up.

[@baneofbanes]

@@Spartan322 I dunno, that’s gotten a lot of people killed over the years.

[@Spartan322]

@@baneofbanes Anything and everything has gotten people killed when you disregard the value God declares of human life, its got nothing to do with authority, its about the individuals. Authority is what God gives to those in power, whether as judgement and punishment, or for nations of God's people, He blesses them with just authorities, those authorities come from above, it is not man who gives but God allows them for which man is complicit in adhering to and thus then responsible for, this not from and never will be from below, this is God's standard and has always been. Its iterated numerous times in the OT for which Jesus, Paul, and Peter all reiterate and affirm once again. No man rules himself, just as no house is without a ruling head, so too is each man ruled by a king. This is the demonstration authority comes down. (but neither does this justify always listening to the rulers of the world, but instead to honor them for all rulers were placed there by God) "In those days there was no king in Israel. Everyone did what was right in his own eyes." - Judges 21:25 "They said, “Caesar's.” Then he said to them, “Therefore render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.” - Matthew 22:21 "Jesus said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they marveled at him." - Mark 12:17 "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God." - Romans 31:1 "Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work," - Titus 3:1 "Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme," - 1 Peter 2:13

[@baneofbanes]

@@Spartan322 yah if that was the case Kings would still be the norm. The Bible says a lot of things, many of which aren’t true. Power is ultimately from the people. Hence why kings go so far out of their way to convince you that they’re appointed by God.

[@Spartan322]

@@baneofbanes "yah if that was the case Kings would still be the norm." The premise does not follow. It should be that way, God's perfect design is by kingship for all other ways lead to destruction, just as Jesus is the only King and all other ways lead to destruction. He is the demonstrative figure of perfect living and rulership just as much as the Savior. "The Bible says a lot of things, many of which aren’t true." Show me where the Bible is wrong. "Power is ultimately from the people." You don't even believe that, else you would not believe in the concept of government enforcing laws. The concept of government is top-down authority still. The concept of bottom-up authority is a myth, democracy is logically invalid and unsound (as it requires government authority to be top-down but claims to work from bottom-up when it never does) since its contradictive, suggesting one premises of the idea is wrong, it still operates on top-down authority principals, else it can't enforce law. "Hence why kings go so far out of their way to convince you that they’re appointed by God." All rulers are appointed by God, there is no head of state, no representative in office, nor power nor authority in any metric at all without God's appointment, whether that be for judgement and punishment or as a blessing.

[@Christe_Audi_Nos]

Thank you for a balanced reporting. This is indeed a great scandal for the Church, that will lead to much suffering. Please pray for your Catholic brothers and sisters. Adveniat Regnum Tuum, et fiat Voluntas Tua, Domine

[@day1678]

Please pray a Rosary for our shepherds.

[@justinianthegreat1444]

May the Pope excommunicate these barbarians

[@LitoLochoss]

Mary is dead she can’t hear you pray to God

[@justinianthegreat1444]

@@LitoLochoss source: trust me bro Where in the Bible did it say that Mary died?

[@LitoLochoss]

@@justinianthegreat1444 Where does it say Peter died Where Does it Say John died ? You sound really naive ? mary is human stop exalt man over God catholics worship mary and dead people You literally a proof of it. Want to talk about having graven images breaking of the Second commandments or you guy use the changed version?

[@justinianthegreat1444]

@@LitoLochoss where are your sources? Provide verses and evidence for your claims lol

[@neshrosuryoyo]

Let them become Protestants and end this headache. The Catholic Church lived 2000 years and survivied.

[@fighting_bones]

I feel the same way just cut the bad hand off. The pope has authority over the bishops. So just allow them to split and start anew

[@golvic1436]

Seems like the German church needs to read a book. I have a pretty good book in mind. Just so happens you can find it in the church buildings themselves.

[@niccolo3241]

fr

[@HolyKhaaaaan]

@@shawna620 yes it is. Indeed, we used to chain it to the building, because a book cost thousands of dollars (relatively).

[@essafats5728]

@@shawna620 it's ignorant people like u that Satan is so happy with

[@thyikmnnnn]

@@shawna620 All Cetholic churches have bibles on their lentern. The Bible is read from at evert single mass.

[@thursoberwick1948]

The same book that says anyone who hurts children will have a millstone around their neck.

[@galaxyn3214]

There probably won't be any major splits, but schism might very well be less damaging to the Church's collective morale than flagrant insubordination.

[@sleepystar1638]

theres already a schism, and its those who dont believe the teachings of Jesus Christ.

[@galaxyn3214]

@@sleepystar1638 Well, a formal, self-defined schism at least. Obviously, the German bishops lost the plot a long time ago.

[@ohauss]

@@galaxyn3214 LOL. Yeah, meanwhile, the child predators are perfectly on plot, right?

[@galaxyn3214]

@@ohauss The biggest predators in the Church, were and are, the theological progressives, who are largely spearheaded by the Germans.

[@thehungarywaffleinc.7775]

Something I like about being catholic is that you can use the no true Scotsman fallacy genuinely. If they do not submit to Rome and it’s teachings, they aren’t very catholic

[@johnschuh8616]

They sure don’t submit to the teachings of the Catechism and even canon law. Can say this about many priests in Rome, of course, and of course that rank heretic, Father James Martin.

[@savioblanc]

@@johnschuh8616 amongst Catholics, this is acceptable as "you not being a very good Catholic" and the genuine hope that you try harder to be a good one by trying to understand why the Church states what it does. It only fall apart when said Catholic walks away and joins another Church, another religion or officially calls themselves an atheist. And even then, the Church hopes for a return prior to their death

[@johnschuh8616]

@@savioblanc Well, there has been a huge amount of such falling away, beginning with the post-Council period. Large numbers of older Catholics stopped going to mass because they felt betrayed.

[@zhouwu]

I'm not a Catholic, but I am a Bible believing Christian. I find this concept of "good Catholic" and "not very Catholic" very fascinating. It seems so very different to what we believe, it's as though the very core of our faith is completely different, which, thinking about it, it probably is.

[@ollom13]

Technically the Catholic Church says anyone who has been baptized in a Catholic Church (or converts to it after being baptized in another Christian Church) is a Catholic, even if they convert to a different religion. Even if you’re baptized as a baby. Now, in terms of following Church teaching, that’s a different story.

[@funbukit5366]

Hi Joshua-I am a Mennonite here. I really appreciate your videos on denominations and especially anabaptists. A large part of my family originally was Amish but left the Amish church to become Mennonite. I’d appreciate if you someday made video describing some of the differences between Amish and Mennonites for people. Thanks!

[@katie7748]

I live around a ton of plain folk so I second this idea.

[@sjappiyah4071]

Get off the internet heretic !!! (just joking lol)

[@RevaneCrowford]

"Tensions seem higher than they ever have been before" Are... are they sure about that one?

[@Justanotherconsumer]

The ghosts of Magdeburg would have a word.

[@erikriza7165]

this has been a long time in the making

[@Randomgen77]

Yeah, I can think of a particular string of, oh, about 30 years where tensions were pretty dang high.

[@erikriza7165]

@@Randomgen77 and i think this kind of thing has happened more than once

[@grossteilfahrer]

When they blatantly declare 10 new commandments on top of mount Sinai it isn't very strange if people "come out of her"

[@F2222m]

Go accept them into you congregation. We would love for them to spread their message in your ecclesial community.

[@Adam-fj9px]

I honestly have no idea what's going on with the German bishops, for the past 60 years the Church has gone a lot more progressive in some of its beliefs yet the Germans have taken in to another level, I pray the next Pope can resolve these, as well as many other issues.

[@Fernando-ek8jp]

I don't see that happening, not without the church losing even more people

[@AF-tv6uf]

Thought: The Church hasn't gotten more progressive, just more postmodern. There's a difference between the two, even if 'progressives' nor conservatives recognize that difference. The same is true in Protestant branches.

[@jotunman627]

Catholic archdiocese of Cologne in Germany is richer than the Vatican, making it the wealthiest part of the Catholic Church. We can see how this impacts the whole church, it's mission and Caritas. The German Bishops will not get their way. The church have always taught that sins against the sixth commandment are a grave sins. "...gates of hell will not prevail" The doctrine on faith and morals of the church are protected by the "Holy Spirit", it has been this way for 2,000 years.

[@jotunman627]

If the German bishops get their way and changed the Catholic church doctrine, that means that the Catholic church is false.

[@barbwellman6686]

Money (Church tax). German residents are required to pay tithes through the government who then allocates it to the various religions. "The church tax is 8% of your income tax in Bavaria and Baden-Württemberg, and 9% in the rest of Germany1, 2. If you earn 50,000€/year in Berlin, you would pay around 800€ in church tax. Use this calculator to know how much church tax you should pay."

[@PShawtx]

The root of major problems in the church is when some won't stay faithful to the things of christ.

[@wbl5649]

the root of the problem is SIN

[@mcboat3467]

Root problem is religion

[@AI-hx3fx]

Thank you this thing is ballooning already. My sole concern is they cannot be part of the Church but do as they please. They can do what they want - it’s freedom - but just not in the Catholic Church where it’s off-brand.

[@narrowistheway77]

The Roman Catholic anti-Church is as off brand and unbiblical as Christianity gets. Truthfully you’re two sides of the same Antichrist coin. It’s not a Church, it’s Babylon, get out while you still can and trust in the Christ the prophets of scripture told us about. I’ll pray for you! GOD Bless! ❤️

[@ohauss]

Funny. It seems everything is on-brand when it comes to being as backwards as possible. But hey, thanks for being clear that you consider laws senseless piffle, consider the constitutional order irrelevant while believing that sexual predation on children is perfectly on brand. Next up, you'll demand that catholic priests should be allowed to rape children during sunday mass with impunity, yes?

[@__-tn6hw]

I mean, this isn't the first time Germany has done this (lol). History may end up repeating itself in certain ways.

[@josephdemary4048]

"First as a tragedy, second as a farce."

[@JohnFromAccounting]

Thanks to an agreement between the Pope and Hitler, similar things cannot be repeated. The Catholic Church owns all of the property and finances, meaning that if a Bishop decides to go rogue and split from the Church, he loses his building, his wealth, his connections etc. The German government has not indicated it has any intention to break this agreement, and it is still in place today.

[@jonathanstensberg]

Francis has a habit of kicking messy cans down the road, saying neither yes nor no stridently enough to either resolve issues or prompt genuine schisms. Francis will wag his finger with one hand and give a thumbs up with the other. Heaven help the future pope who will be left to sort out this mess.

[@ohauss]

Francis may be the Pope, but he's one person, and he needs the support of others in the Curia to get at least some of the things he'd like to get done being done.

[@deutschermichel5807]

Ein Christ ist kein Christ

[@erikriza7165]

Prince Sid You got that right. The problem is he has appointed so many Cardinals, that we will get the next 2 or 3 popes just like him

[@mazzaleen6091]

They don't seem to understand that yes, being able to kiss a quran without fear is far far more powerful than whatever magnitude of force you have to eliminate whatever dissenting religious opinions come your way - but thou shalt not kill is a mistranslation of thou shalt not murder i.e kill UNJUSTLY. Jesus said turn the other cheek but that doesnt mean accept and praise sin. Even Jesus stormed through the temple. This passivism in religious leadership needs to stop especially when it comes to sexual abusers who exploit their positions of power, and heritics who try to usurp the religion to push their own agendas. There needs to be a zero tolerance.

[@Magnificat42]

Thanks so much for your channel. It's very helpful to have a clear understanding of so many churches. I'm curious if you have a video about how the Eucharist is handled, and it's history. Blessings

[@garyschwitz3383]

Your information is of quality and most up to date. I love your site!

[@EarlSoC]

Pope: "Who schisms a church in 2023?" Germans: "Oh boy, 2023!"

[@011angelfire]

2023! Give it up for year 2023!

[@elingeniero2000]

You dove into the weeds with this one. Good job

[@FourEyedFrenchman]

I'll be the first to agree that the Catechism is helpful literature, not sacred scripture. However, that doesn't negate what the Catechism is: a collection of doctrine and dogmas that clearly outline the Deposit of Faith. If you agree with, believe in, and practice what the Catechism lays out, congratulations, you're a Catholic. The German Bishops seem to believe they know better than everyone else, but that just means they're typical Germans. Rome hates a schism, but heresy can only be tolerated so long before communion breaks.

[@johnschuh8616]

The German princes have always been wary of Roman control since the papal reformation in the 11th century. The Austrian Emperor Franz Joseph once dismissed the pope as a kind of family chaplain. This during the tragic clash between him and his son and heir. Of course the Hapsburgs were fixated on dynastic matters. To the extent that their inbreeding ruined the kingdom of Spain.

[@mai_komagata]

Doctrines on morality arise from agreements in the college of bishops. What the german bishops are doing they should do at a larger scale.

[@zhouwu]

"The German Bishops seem to believe they know better than everyone else, but that just means they're typical Germans." Comment liked just for that.

[@mweskamppp]

The bishops had a dispute with normal interested people. The people were not happy with some things and demanded changes. The bishops stayed with the vatican and said "no". Very frustrating to many participants. Maybe some will leave the church now after they tried and failed what they thought needed to be changed.

[@johnschuh8616]

@@mweskamppp These ”normal” people are simply discovering they are not Catholics. Maybe they are not Lutherans or Evangelical either, or even Christian except in a vague sense. It does not help that many of the clergy are not believers either but have no where to go. Unlike then faithful servant in the New Testament, who seeing that he is about to be dismissed, starts making deals at the expense of his master, so there will be another house to which he can go.

[@sailorsam6494]

Very poor leadership. Decades long confusion has morphed into this quagmire. The whole church needs to be lead with clarity. Dare I blame V2.

[@kellykizer6718]

Mill Stone.

[@jendreg1935]

Germans be germaning

[@Andrew-gn9qp]

I think it's important to consider that the overwhelming majority of priests are good people. This is what upsets me about the whole situation, because of the bad priests, the entire flock is considered compromised.

[@jamesparson]

The overwhelming number of priests are willing to all the bad ones to continue to do harm.

[@mazzaleen6091]

Its no surprise once anonymous voting was changed that they cowared to the majority. Its disgusting how this organisation is trying to usurp power to push their agenda.

[@null_the_null]

You provide unbelievable clarity on these positions.

[@carolinejones7469]

Thank you for such a balanced, clear video! As a Catholic I've struggled to explain this situation to several Protestant friends and this has really helped me out with how to frame it. (And bonus points for including the borderline-hilarious Francis quotes!)

[@deutschermichel5807]

Why hilarious?

[@J.S.S.72000]

It would be cool if you Made a video on how different Christian denominations deal with demonic possesion AND how they practice exorcism or deliverance from demons.

[@johnbrowne3950]

Some religions attract demons.

[@nonine5304]

Fu*** your own.... need not interfere innothers matter.

[@wesmorgan7729]

Jordan Cooper did a few videos on this topic

[@Nutman2001]

@@wesmorgan7729 Would you happen to have a link?

[@wesmorgan7729]

@Czar Cortez He made several videos so it may be hard for me to link them (especially from my phone) but the account is Dr. Jordan B Cooper and he made them a year ago.

[@IrmgardWiesner]

The bishops were in Rome this month for their ad limina visit - and they learned what the Vatican thinks. On the Vatican homepage, there are the speeches of Cardinals Ouellet as nd Ladara with a clear message.

[@Hreodrich]

Thanks Luther.

[@stevenv6463]

I like how they said they weren't going against papal authority but didn't address Romans 11 and biblical passages in general that are against gay relations.

[@mcboat3467]

Yea because your Jewish god religion is fake. Odin is true gods of Germans

[@christophsurbeck2814]

I think if it splits off, it will be a movement that soon collapses. For it's only reason of existence would be to be on the same line with the developements in the society. This will result in them having less conflict with mainstream society, but it has no other identity than this and will stand before new tensions some years later as the claims and demands of society develop too. A lasting movement needs an own vision and understandingof the world and not just to fit the stream of society. With this i don't say something about the content of their discussion. I talk about the common sociodynamics.

[@brendamyc3057]

This is due to the failure of everyone to live the call to holiness proper to their station in life. This applies both to clergy, religious, and laity. This also shows how everyone failed to properly catechize the people and form their priests and religious which has translated into mass disobedience and confusion on all issues and fronts.

[@johnschuh8616]

After Vatican II, they threw away the catechisms. and adopted a kind of fideism.

[@brendamyc3057]

They developed a very deep catechism which showed how to live in God’s love which was ignored or rejected.

[@christusenciaga]

It's amazing how a church opens a door to one heresy and then more heresies explode from that

[@1258-Eckhart]

Thanks for that excellent review, which gives a good picture of what is going on here in Germany. The feeling here is that the Vatican, having produced two further clear warnings from Cardinals Ouellet and Ladaria (Nov. 2022) after the recent ad limina visit to Rome of the German bishops, will now await developments at the final meeting of the synodal path in March 2023. I would also make reference to the final communiqué on the adlimina visit, which extraordinarily reads "for now, we agree to disagree". This is in no way envisaged by the documents of Vatican II, e.g. Lumen Gentium (Episcopal Unity = Collegiality). The bishops have been charged to observe the priorities that Pope Francis outilned in his letter to the German faithful dated 29. June 2019. Many view this as having to "square the circle".

[@johnschuh8616]

The Germans have only to look at the fortunes of the French, Belgium and Netherlands Church to see the future. Total irrelevance, maybe to the extent that the Church of England is irrelevant.

[@1258-Eckhart]

@@johnschuh8616 But incredibly wealthy - my diocese alone has a "capitalisation" of six billion Euros and taxation income of > € 600 million a year. We are thus systemically highly "relevant" to the German state, or to coin a phrase, "too big to fail".

[@johnschuh8616]

@@1258-Eckhart Given that in the wake of the war in Ukraine that the German “business” body, based as it is on exports and cheap Russian energy, having for ideological reasons abandoned atomic energy, might be severely affected, and suddenly the German people face a depression. The only thing going for Germany is its history of economic resilience since 1945, and ironically, the unpredictability of everything right now.

[@rconger384]

I don't have a catholic bone in my body, but I do like Archbishop Carlo Vigano. He stands for truth as he understands it and against corruption. He ought to be pope.

[@cominatrix]

I don't get it. There are literally thousands of other churches that aren't Catholic. If they don't like stuff, go join a different one. How about instead of changing things which have great reasons to exist as they do, how about we work on holding to account those who do terrible things and getting back to basics which should set people's eyes straight.

[@jhp1045]

If the German bishops want to be Gay and Married they can just join the German Lutheran Church...

[@Fernando-ek8jp]

The church has already gone through multiple changes

[@RepublicofE]

Other denominations don't claim to have an infallible mortal head. Think about it, imagine someone who can speak from the "Chair of Peter" declaring that those who refuse to affirm gay sex as holy are in sin for being bigots. Trad Catholics would claim this is impossible without the Holy Spirit killing the Pope who did that. Everyone else knows better, including the German Synodal sect who are building toward that goal.

[@soarel325]

As Catholics, they hold that the Catholic Church is the one true church. You don't just leave for another denomination like that. The Church has changed its doctrine on particular issues before, look at the Counter-Reformation and at how the sin of usury was redefined in the early modern period. They simply want more reform.

[@kfedyanks]

There’s a reason they want to change the Catholic church vs just join one that shares their views

[@Hud.Alexdavenston]

Every church has a right & in patient I await for there meeting report........

[@Mankorra_Gomorrah]

This seems kind of random though, the original problem they were trying to solve was not that priests kept having affairs or that people were upset that there were no female priests. It was that the church had a number of know child predators in their ranks and did nothing. It’s all well and good to say that we need to better understand human sexuality but i don’t think any understanding of human sexuality is going to are the general problem okay with what was going on at the start of this whole thing. It feels like they decided it was easier to begin adopting popular policies, like endorsing gay relationships, to get some positive PR in the news and distract people from the crisis while doing literally nothing to address the actual problem. I guess it is a more novel approach to what usually happens which is the church just kind of shrugs and says “ya that sure was a shame wasn’t it.”

[@TheWorldBroadcast]

It's a really dumb thing, because these Bishops caused this problem and blame their own rules rather than the actual problem the person, mainly themselves and the predators. So we throw chastity out the window, and love, and marriage, and sexuality as it is traditionally understood because they say that the way those things are structured lead people to sin against them, when that's an extremely stupid argument. We have laws against murder, but murder does not increase because we ban it.

[@billiamnotbob]

These days Lucifer is doing his 'best' work in the church. These are a prime example.

[@viktorkassem716]

There are pretty strange things about the Synodal Way but one thing every honest german catholic says is that the synodal way is exactly the same as the EKD (state lutheran church in german). So the question is why don' t they just leave and join the EKD?

[@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts]

5:27 Hang on, I've seen this one before!

[@ramennight]

What happened the last time? Eventual N*zi's?

[@fmac6441]

As a result of the Second Vatican Council, a group of priests and faithful from Brazil separated and created the Catholic Apostolic of Brazil. They're not very popular, but according to the 2010 Census, there were half a million people.

[@thedangeroussaint]

So the solution to unfaithfulness is...more unfaithfulness? 😑

[@harrygarris6921]

I mean that was the proposed solution during the first reformation. Let's solve a systemic issue of corruption by leaving an organized hierarchical church structure and making our own smaller church which will end up being way more vulnerable to false doctrine, corruption, and abuse than the catholic church was in the first place.

[@christianf5131]

Lord have mercy.

[@jackcullen69]

Very interesting reporting. I wonder if you could cover the matter of Vatican 2 and Sedevacantism

[@princessfartsparkles6681]

Whether you agree with what either group is saying about the issues, at least both groups are responding in some way to the issues, which is much more than can be said about the Mormon church which usually tries its best to ignore everything.

[@BatMite19]

*sracasm* I'm glad "sexual science" is being held as equal in power and authority to the Scriptures. *end sarcarsm*

[@phillipmorris4555]

I appreciate your no partially when it come to the different denomonations some churches are quite harsh of others .when most of us are born into our belief system.if abused or put out one must not hate but forgive and hopefully find a people to worship with ...( Which may be quite hard for some) ...... sadly.......but even if alone we know JESUS said He would never leave us or forsake us.thank you Jesus for that and so much more...........

[@revinhatol]

More schisms. *_Plus, there's already the Iglesia Filipina Independiente (IFI) based in the Philippines._*

[@cafep2800]

If you don’t want to follow scripture and their doctrines, it’s better to become an atheist. Remember that Jesus hates the lukewarm more than the cold

[@ellen823ful]

You can’t “become” an atheist once you know God. Plus, He will not abandon you during a tumultuous time. Just pray 🙏 and stay focused.

[@bandie9101]

it's like "my brother Bob is a teenager and disrespectful to our parents. i still have good relationship to my parents and they support me. but i'm gonna leave them because of Bob" ?!

[@DeFyYing]

while there are certainly some liberal Christians that only seek to conform the faith to their own beliefs, there is also a genuine history of higher criticism in Biblical interpretation that seeks to make sense of the Bible out of a genuine search of truth. Rationalism and the Enlightenment may have introduced many beliefs that have denied core doctrines like the Resurrection, but ppl don't seem to recognize how it also taught ppl to recognize scholarly historicity in the Bible as opposed to completely factual literalism, and this tradition continues today in trying to understand the meaning of what the Bible's authors are trying to convey in the context of where they are. Even Vatican II is considered a hugely liberal council when you consider former doctrines such as inclusivism, the vernacular, worship, etc.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Is it scripture they’re refusing, or the ways of the world? Tradition isn’t inherently a good thing.

[@johnschuh8616]

To be an atheist is to be a bad theologian.

[@octuple505]

Sounds like they want to join the Episcopal church.

[@veranicus6696]

Hi , i am from Germany. As we do , i want to point out a tiny inacuracy. The numbers for 2020 include 80.000 polish people joining the cathlic church. So 300.000 left and 80.000 joined.

[@user-7lf7w]

Hy Im Chatolic from Croatia Im curious what are local priests thinking about all of this Did they choose sides for when schism happens?

[@sualtam9509]

@@user-7lf7w Local priests are individuals and have their own opinions. I can say that many priests support this because if there are still ultra-conservatists the church does a good job of hiding them from the public in order to not drive away even more people. And you have to say the villages where the community still lives around and with the church, the priests are liberal because they have to speak to the people on a daily basis. Traditionalists have no future; they are the real sectarians. They want a church for a couple of nutjobs not for the common person.

[@user-7lf7w]

@@sualtam9509 we need to think about people that we already have in Church and keep the true teaching of Apostoles that has been handed over to us, and can't support sins of others because of fear that they might leave the Church Church will be hated no matter what we do Question is do you want to be hated as heretic or as straight teaching student

[@thetraditionalist]

wow never even heard of this

[@Nathan-zw7nq]

I am not RC, but the ordination of women and saying homosexuality isn’t a sin is, dare I say, heretical. The only thing I don’t have a problem with is marriage for priests. This is an Orthodox giving my two cents. Those Germans really need to evaluate whether they truly want to be Catholic. As Christians we should not bend the church to us. We bend ourselves to the Church, the Holy Spirit is the will of the Church. And I’m pretty sure God is not be happy with the Synodal Path in Germany right now.

[@joehouston2833]

Convert..

[@johnschuh8616]

We don’t live in an orthodox culture. The only models we have are the Protestant ministers. who are actual just laypersons with a license to preach. The sacerdotal priesthood is a concept they reject.

[@Nathan-zw7nq]

@@joehouston2833 I’m sorry what is the point of your comment?

[@CCootauco]

If the Papacy just excommunicated those priests that committed sexual abuse.

[@mcboat3467]

*Entire church gets excommunicated*

[@reyreyes6126]

we need not fear but be vigilant with what's going on with the Church; the Lord knows what to do with the Church He built by His body and blood. The ecclesiastical crisis is a part of divine purification; painful but necessary.

[@inarticulus7687]

Fair and well done

[@aclark903]

A very liberal German bishop is juggling during a mass. An Englishman, Frenchman, Spaniard & German are in the congregation watching him, but they are at the back of the church, partly behind a pillar. The liberal Bishop, noticing this, stands on the altar & asks Can you see me now? Yes -Oui- Si -Ya.

[@ZestonN]

I'm waiting for when we see a video called The Synodal Reformed Church. 😁

[@mweskamppp]

It is a dialogue between bishops in germany and non cleric religious people about different topics. Some things in the church the people want to change and the bishops listened and said "no". Very frustrating.

[@frankenwald42]

The church in the background is St Otto’s, Bamberg.

[@CarolBaskinsLandscapeGuy]

The German Bishops' great sin in the eyes of Rome and Pope Francis is being impatient, going ahead and doing what Francis clearly already wants to do with his "Synod on Synodality". He wants lay participation to manufacture and give the appearance of grassroots consent, rather than have it be a top down affair.

[@sleepystar1638]

Bingo

[@libertyoverbondage]

Jorge Bergoglio is a heritic 🔥

[@HolyKhaaaaan]

Except the Germans have lay opinions and participation. Also just because public opinion sways one way does not mean that the magisterium will as well. One considers the document on contraception, Humanae Vitae - man how much of a shock that was to the Church of the '60s.

[@CarolBaskinsLandscapeGuy]

@@HolyKhaaaaan If you think Francis, his successors, and who he's staffing the Pontifical Academy for Life with are, and will be, pillars of Catholic Orthodoxy, you're gonna have a bad time. See how he welcomed the Flemish Bishops recently. Humane Vitae won't last a decade. The German Bishops' are going ahead regionally with what Francis wants globally. He's not mad about their changes, he's mad they're going alone, and ahead of schedule.

[@amarsh14]

It seems that we are truly in the end times. St Paul warned that there would be a great falling away and people would chase after teachers who would tell them what they want to hear. We will all have to give an account of our lives to the Great Judge one day, but those who are Overseers (bishops) will also have to give an account of their stewardship. I would hate to be the one to tell Almighty God that He didn’t really mean the Holy Scriptures to be taken seriously, did He?

[@lucabohn]

People said the exact same stuff during the Protestant reformation. As far as I remember Jesus did not come down. Every time something slightly changes Christian’s think it is a sign of the end times. Just calm down for once

[@glenncordova4027]

People said the exact same stuff during the black death.

[@Beastlango]

I’m not even Catholic and this is greatly concerning

[@stefanpieper3757]

Why is it concerning for non-catholics?

[@Beastlango]

@@stefanpieper3757 because it shows more of the degradation of Christianity right now. If it’s happening there it’s going to happen to the rest of us more than likely

[@countryboyred]

@@stefanpieper3757because many non-Catholic Christians still care about what goes on in Rome and are concerned for our brothers and sisters. Things like this effect the entire faith. Why is this difficult to understand?

[@stefanpieper3757]

@@countryboyred Who says it`s difficult to understand?

[@countryboyred]

@@stefanpieper3757 When you ask “why is it concerning for non-Catholics” you seem to imply that other non-Catholics don’t care about you guys

[@tedwazonek7956]

I’m interested in learning about the abused from all denominations and what they’re doing about it?

[@yellowclivia]

Very good summary of what's happening in the German church.

[@softbingan]

Catholic Church never slipts. Dead branches are falling away all the time.

[@samvimes9510]

So wait...they're claiming that there aren't enough "decisive insights" to declare whether things like child abuse and homosexuality are immoral or not? And they're blaming this degenerate behavior on celibacy? Excommunication isn't severe enough, everyone involved with this should be thrown in a gulag.

[@JudithSanchez-ht6jn]

Do a video about the Church of Rome and the a pope regarding the relationship with Ortordox Church.

[@DanSme1]

Contrary to Catholicism’s outward appearance, Catholics are highly diverse. Funny story. When I was 18 (1967) and cultural Catholic, there was a “Traditional Catholic” family that lived across the street with some ‘hot’ daughters my age. However, the girls were not permitted to socialize with me since our family was not of the conservative “Traditional” variety.

[@MrOliverbox]

Heresy based schism? In Germany?!!! I’m shocked!

[@pixieburton3131]

Wow. Excellent. I am not Catholic so I had no idea this was going on. Since I am not Catholic I will say only this, Martin Luther didn’t want to part from the Catholic Church either. May cooler heads prevail this time around.

[@sleepystar1638]

yeah cause when Martin Luther was born there was only 2 denominations Roman and Orthodox, when Martin Luther died there was over 200 different denominations, God is not the author of Confusion, Martin Luther is, sorry your lost but the only true Church is the Catholic Church, that being said most of the entire hierarchy in the Catholic Church is run by Jesuit Freemasons which are satanic.

[@victormargulius632]

Martin Luther wanted to reform the church not leave it.

[@ReuvenGoldstein1]

@@sleepystar1638 There were actually a lot more than that. Within Europe, you had Roman, Eastern Orthodox, Hussite, Bosnian (independent), Armenian Apostolic, etc. Outside of Europe, there were already dozens of different African, Asian and Indian denominations.

[@sleepystar1638]

@@ReuvenGoldstein1 i meant started by Jesus, Hussites either converted to Judaism or Catholicism, the Bosnians were wiped out by the Ottoman empire before 1500 and Armenian is another orthodoxy. so there was Catholicism and Orthodoxy when Luther was Born and when he died there was 200 more denominations 1 Corinthians 14 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. so between Catholicism and Orthodoxy there was the True Church, meaning the stuff Martin Luther changed are all heretical. Martin Luther is the Great Divider, if you dont see it then you havent read enough, you must think no one was saved before Martin Luther.

[@sleepystar1638]

@@victormargulius632 but instead he created countless monsters

[@NimrodTargaryen]

Great Job! Germans seem to be more courageous questioning the Establishment... good for them!

[@Luke-db9fc]

Yes, get ready.