Are Doctor Influencers POISONING Medicine? | Neurosurgeon vs Doctor Dropout

[@Smart_Chick_]

Dr Glaucomflecken already warned us about neurosurgeons 😂. I'm not surprised.

[@你是杰瑞吗]

This has been the comment I was looking for, this is exacly what Dr Glaucomflecken is talking about

[@workingtunafish]

Omg I genuinely didn't think how much the neurosurgery character is actually true

[@isaacheiman]

I love your perspective, Kevin! Let’s keep moving away from the “old way” of medicine into a more inclusive, healthy, happy medical system!

[@musiqal333]

The featured doctor may be going broad brush, but he does have a point. Some people really abuse the title "doctor" to sell all kinds of bullshit and hype or simply self promote, including real doctors. Or insane diets, 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️. However, I agree, Dr. Jubbal. Why should physicians be one dimensional and only talk about medicine? Physicians are human beings and have a diverse array of experiences with their lives. And we have the right to share that.

[@themarathoncontinues4211]

Didn’t feel like broader point was going after Doctor Oz types, more like Dr Jubbal types or med students who share their experiences

[@musiqal333]

@@themarathoncontinues4211 That is a fair point. I don't think the featured doctor was going after Dr. Jubbal types; I think he was going after those types like Dr. Oz, or Dr. Shawn or Dr. Paul Saladino, etc. And tbh, someone else said this, which is true; the featured doc in this video has such an "alpha doctor" vibe, which puts me off. He may be killer in his field of medicine, but he comes off as a douche. Like he would be the one to brag about how he had no sleep during residency and was the first to round and the last to leave the hospital after his shift. 🤣

[@khalilahd.]

Yeah it’s a bit of a stretch but there’s definitely some underlying truth

[@themarathoncontinues4211]

@@musiqal333 he’s a typical neurosurgeon personality. I think he’s the type of guy who’s genuinely irritated at the thought of work-life balance or people having interests outside of medicine.

[@musiqal333]

@@themarathoncontinues4211 Interesting. And I myself have met a bomb ass neurosurgeon during my clinical rotations who is chill as fuck and puts out his own TikTok videos. Definitely not all neurosurgeons are equal.

[@RachelSouthard]

😯 I like the points you made in this video. I hope that anyone who has a desire to do hobbies outside of medicine/their profession does those hobbies!!! Of course, be smart about it and don’t let it negatively impact your work, but please have balance in your life and do things you enjoy that are outside of your career. 🥺

[@josephdahdouh2725]

Speak up! This is exactly why Dr. Glaucomflecken speaks of neurosurgeons as condescending as stereotyped. The neurosurgeon in this video is the ideal example of that. I now get why some people are shady in premed. Such personalities deserve to be in some areas of medicine someday. I just hope, I'll be a more open doctor someday. Will watch your 2latest videos when I feel like it.🙂

[@yellow8206]

@@josephdahdouh2725 haha yes there’s different types of people in medicine and we need them all as well as they’re making good contributions to the field. Sometimes there is clash between opposing personalities and ideologies but look they’re all good doctors, hopefully, so hopefully everyone just stays to respect each other

[@ash.toronto31]

Hi Rachel!

[@hanumananky]

I have a friend who went to med school and did residencies. He told me about how a lot of the doctors of the clinics he worked in had their job basically become their ego. that their clinic was their domain, and all of the 'underlings' would be treated as what mentioned as 'cheap labor'. it sounds like he lacks humility, and isn't aware of how prideful he is in his profession. Pride and humility are a two sided coin, it takes humility to recognize you are proud.

[@jillschneider2953]

LOL! I also laughed at him with the “humility” thing. He has very little humility.

[@survivorfandan_sa9]

I mean he's a neurosurgeon...his ego is soon to be used by scientists as a unit of measurement because it's that big...

[@Anandroid]

0:12 I was in tears the way you said medical KZbinr beef

[@thenadie8]

Medical Doctors are not the only professionals who have healthcare expertise. Doctors don't OWN healthcare. Our system needs more than just hospital based care. we as a nation a horrid when it comes to prevention and wellness. Physicians are great problem solvers for acute illness and symptom reduction. They are not the only profession that can help you improve your wellbeing. I wish they would acknowledge that they dont know everything, and that other professions may also be good resources.

[@MathisPhilippe]

Thank you Dr. Rutkowlski for reminding us we’re incomplete

[@alex_2020]

People have good judgement to decide what is best for them!

[@Thisisme1919]

Imagine having that guy as your attending 😬

[@gdaymates431]

"What have they actually accomplished." Ummmm becoming a doctor? That's a pretty big accomplishment lol.

[@davidlakhter]

14:15 yea I'd say med youtube really started around 2016-17 and there were very few youtubers who gave the reality behind medicine. it was for sure much more glamorized and coming out of the apndemic, it's definitely taken a different look

[@Sean-ur3np]

Classic neurosurgeon.

[@albertthescientist7450]

That was a good video. Thanks. I agree with Kevin J, work-life balance is extremely important!

[@khalilahd.]

I feel like it’s a fine line 😗but I think it’s too general of a statement to say they’re all bad but I do see your points

[@sunflowers_n_coffee]

I agree my life shouldn't just be "medicine ". Most people are depressed and commit suicide because of that narrative. We should have lives outside work. This guy talks like he is a Dr from the 80s/90s. Thank you Dr jubal on your response to Dr Martin.

[@appollo1826]

I agree with both perspectives. Dr. Martin doesn't seem so ill-intent with his wisdom; it is just an old way of seeing things. He is like the grandfather who thinks the new generation is soft, not realizing that medicine is advancing thanks to the next generation and the old generation. New minds are learning from past flaws, and thus these auto-corrections happen. I have a Dr. Martin way of thinking due to a father who thinks the same way. I understand the newer generation's way of thinking because it is a more technological way of thinking. The people I have been learning from do not seem to steer me on a bad path of thinking. If I think they are full of you know what, I can fact-check almost everything. Being senile a little can harm this advancement. I don't think helping out the future is a bad thing. Keep up the great work Dr. Jubbal.

[@arturo7129]

Makes me think of Dr. Eric Berg who has a huge following on youtube, but he is a Chiropractor and not a Medical Doctor whatsoever.

[@redpilledbachelor7776]

You got to love it when FNP open their own botox clinic and advertise it on tiktok.

[@AModernRogue]

Disagree with the idea rhat the present completely taints your view of the past. I went into medicine as a second career, and I've gotta say- the first two years of medical school and step 1 was the hardest period of my life. Premed was almost as stressful, the uncertainty was awful. Residency was hard, but the certainty that I was already in my specialty of choice made my stressful residency still less stressful than residency or premed. Totally agree about the work/life balance stuff. I'm a person that happens to be a doctor, I'm not a doctor that happens to be a person. We can have the same interests and skills as everyone else outside of medicine and shouldn't view being financially savvy or having a good quality of life as taking away from our lives as clinicians, but rather as adding to our lives as human beings.

[@omariqbal8889]

Great response video!👍

[@daphne3723]

It doesn't matter much about knowing what it's like to be a professional doctor at least you went past some key stages in which I would wish to go through and I have an influencer who even though he is not a certified medical practitioner has sufficient information about what it's like to be in med school and residency. Anyone who take you advice should know it's an advice not a rule of law. It's better being informed than being ignorant

[@duran4689]

I personally don’t think their killing medicine. Obviously there is going to be a few bad apples but overall I feel they are helping put out information on the medical field being mostly informational. I am appreciative to those who take the time to speak on topics that are useful to medicine and medical students. I still respect Dr Martin and agree with him on certain parts however I must disagree with him on doctors not being able to be great physician and content creators/family centric/business entrepreneurs.

[@divyangvaidya1999]

Dropping out of medicine and giving career advice on medicine is not wrong. The doctors giving advice still have graduated from medical school and have gone through residency based on their chosen discipline. Not all of them are same but not all of them are wrong either. Going through medical school and becoming a doctor then leaving does not mean they don't know the process of becoming a doctor or how to advance in medicine. Not all of them are the same so don't paint them all with the same brush.

[@megustAslagt]

He fits quite well in the neurosurgery character by dr flaucomglecken or sth. Comes across as very elitist, knowing it all, etc. And those who haven't done exactly as he has have no right of speaking. On top of that, he believes he, as an individual, has the right to speak for all of his profession simply because he practises it?

[@treasajanette7350]

True 😂😂

[@foyivostanley5495]

If your family member has a brain tumor or requires some sort of complex surgery...will you prefer the Doctor who dedicates 100% of his time in the practice of surgery or the one who dedicates just 50% of his time in the practice of surgery?

[@addi.1813]

Kevin is saying that residents shouldn't have to do scut work as a way for the hospital to have cheap labour. If residents only focused on learning, they wouldn't have to waste so much time. It does not mean he is advocating that residents should practice surgery less.

[@aliacampbell7227]

Exactly. I always say the same thing because when the day comes and it’s about them they wouldn’t want the 50% doctor 50 % youtuber. Hypocrites!

[@thenadie8]

I want rhe surgeon who loves his life and enjoys the support of a family and community. Burned out physicians are not sustainable

[@tlpineapple1]

@@aliacampbell7227 I want the doctor that has the best outcomes. It has been proven multiple times that poor work-life balance results in worse outcomes for patients. So, if the patient outcome for a doctor that uses 50% of their time for themselves is better, i will take that every time.

[@unnamedlastname511]

I do agree with your view 99%

[@aerogardenbeginner3614]

Not being funny, but who is supposed to do the scut work, as you call it? Everyone is stretched thin and hospitals are short of nurses, aids and NPs, PAs. All specialties are short. Is it right? I can't say. But who would do the job, for example, writing orders, seeing a consult that nurses can't do but not enough PAs, NPs? Perhaps the hospital should hire more people. But will they?

[@Itsbritt_22]

What there is doctor beef on KZbin? I didn’t know this.

[@harrisonzhu3300]

“There’s nothing wrong with investments outside of medicine but remember if you do that you’re essentially inferior” lol the guy is a neurosurgeon though, so nothing surprising

[@reet7060]

He did not say that

[@harrisonzhu3300]

@@reet7060 he did though

[@reet7060]

@@harrisonzhu3300 lol you know damn well that was your interpretation. What I heard was. “Investing is fine. People do it all the time. I just don’t like when bad/unqualified investment advice is pushed on young people in debt.” Like I got an investment scam ad in the middle of this video. I get them often. Dude’s name is Chest Zoda. He was selling an investment course. “I’m a doctor so I know what it takes to make money.” That guy was acting as if being a medical professional meant he had qualifications to give investment advice. This is exactly what Dr. Martin was speaking on. That shit is disgusting. He wasn’t talking on Kevin or his colleagues, but actual scammers.

[@harrisonzhu3300]

@@reet7060 “do you care about your profession or do you want to succeed outside of medicine”. Just one of the many quotes I can pull from this video. So having pursuits outside of medicine means you don’t care about medicine? But you’re right this is just my opinion.

[@vukken99]

Well my cousin states Physician dropouts are alternatives...

[@Madison7807]

There is a lot of great content regarding medicine. Have greater faith in viewers to know that not all “doctors” are MDs or DOs, and creators should have to identify what kind of doctors they are when offering views.

[@goldenknowledge5914]

Kevin never disappoints. I'm with you man.

[@Born2Losenot2win]

I think this is a very arguable topic, But personally I side with Dr. Martin on this. Medical credibility carries a heavy weight. It’s better to savor the words of the credible for what they’re credible at, to decrease the probability of error and increase public trust in that credibility. Specially these days, and especially with medicine when people’s lives are on the line. But those are personal opinion, med-tubers aren’t doing anything illegal and although it might be wrong arguably, they still have the right to do so. And I personally have benefited from med school insiders and also Dr Martin’s informative videos. So I guess as long as “content exploration” doesn’t jeopardize the medical community’s “credibility” by risking being misinformative and wrong, then that’ll be more than perfectly fine, it’ll be productive for everyone. I just think it’s better to be safe than sorry.

[@razooligan]

I agree with your perspective on Dr. Martin is being pretty condescending and "gate-keepy", as you said. However, I do think that there is a huge problem with med-fluencers who glamorize the life of an accomplished modern resident when their reality doesn't reflect their focus in medicine at all. For example, I have a family member who is a fellow, who is working with a current 'med-fluencer' who seems to spend more time getting cute IG posts while being incompetent as an actual resident. It can be extremely frustrating when the world sees this doctor for being a great doctor-influencer, when in reality, they can't follow a single instruction/deadline that my family member has given them. ESPECIALLY when their posts on Instagram reflect knowledge or awareness about something for which they have demonstrated a blatant inability to practice properly in the hospital setting. THIS is where I think the problem with doctor influencers lies-doctors who seem to be focused on social media at the expense of patient care.

[@HankFuller333]

Gates should be kept. This is medicine we are talking about. Not a social media clown-show.

[@anmarhassan407]

@@HankFuller333 exactly

[@alotofmore]

@@HankFuller333 such a lame ass shortsighted perspective. They provide ONE example. 🤣

[@emphasis20]

I think it would have also been insightful if Kevin evaluated Dr. Rutkowski's responses to his comment section. Dr. Schmidt and other physicians responded with some disapproval in the comments to that video, and Dr. Rutkowski further clarified his position on the subject.

[@josephdahdouh2725]

Doctors are not doctors if they don't already know what's up in hospitals. I am not sure that even non-doctor influencers would even do better than the influencers in the aspect of patient care. The reason you received an undeserving like by me and others is that your conclusion sounds reasonable when in reality no statistics have evaluated such a hypothesis, so your conclusion is based on logic and not reality, it is thus possibly false, and honestly you tricked me into liking it although I know that what you're saying is an opinion and not a fact. In my opinion, doctors who are influencers and who are also spreading medical knowledge are probably working harder than regular doctors to make sure that what they are spreading to the public is true and won't ruin their credibility and public image. Besides, these medical information that are spread by these influencers will help people all around the world figure out something new(save someone by searching up a certain gap in their knowledge...). In reality, there is no need for patient care inside the hospital when these influencers are bringing patient care to the web. Both are beneficial, but I would stand firm with my opinion that most medical influencers are bringing more good than harm in terms of every aspect including the patients(inside and outside the hospital).

[@LaurenMichelleMD]

I agree with his earlier points, but once he started being condescending and shaming towards people who want work-life balance or who are interested in investing, I was really disappointed. I'm graduating next year with my MD/MBA, and while I love medicine and the specialty I'm applying to, it's not the only important thing in my life. You can be a spouse, parent, investor, and doctor if that's what you want. Doctors sacrificing their health and happiness will result (has resulted?) in a broken workforce

[@musiqal333]

Boom! 💯💯💯

[@whazzas5023]

Agree 100%. Medicine will always be all encompassing if you let it. There is a never ending influx of new research to keep abreast of. Always ways you can improve in your clinical practice and clinical outcomes. I think the mentality that you have to be 100% obsessed with medicine to be a good doctor will be a hard one for United States Medicine to move on from. In reality it is the doctors who are burnt out who commit the majority of medical errors, so we should not be celebrating overwork and lack of healthy pursuits.

[@AldO-HPB]

Yes, that’s precisely the important perspective that having an MD-MBA provides. I understand the importance and relevance of my MD-MBA especially now after completing my fellowships and starting practice in a very subspecialized field. I find having other sources of income a security blanket that allows me to love my surgical practice and provide better patient care even more, as it also reduces the stress of needing to “earn an income right away”.

[@amplemedicallectures]

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[@savedbygrace5416]

He sounds bitter than he didn’t get a chance to be on YT during med school/ residency

[@saifkhan3]

I love Dr. Rutkowski. Possibly the greatest medical KZbinrs I’ve seen so far, but sometimes you just gotta say - ok boomer

[@johnf817]

Dr. Rutkowski isn't even close to being a boomer you fool its not 2003

[@dylanrogers2085]

He’s a great physician and incredibly smart. But none of his content is worth “the greatest medical KZbinr” - he almost has no original content

[@moejoe13]

As an older attending, I lost some respect for Dr. Martin. He was pretty condescending and fit in too much with that old school physician mentality. I'm very glad that kind of attitude is dying off with all the new residents. I love the new residents. They are happier and honestly better physicians. Old school physicians with that toxic mentality is honestly harmful for the field and bad for patient safety. New residents and new attendings, Please listen to Kevin Jubbal. We need happier, well balanced, and safer physicians. I'm glad you pointed out about mid-levels misrepresenting as doctors as well. Its a big problem in the field and in social media. Overall, great take Kevin. Keep up the great work.

[@kevinjubbalmd]

Thank you!

[@Amandaaa2244]

As a (soon to be doctorate level) PA engaged to a neurosurgeon, I just want to say I have never met a PA who tried to paint themselves as a physician. I have seen NPs and CRNAs try it, especially ones with doctorates who somehow think that’s equivalent to completing medical school and residency. They have no idea what that actually entails. Anyway, please don’t equate us, we are not the same. Thanks!

[@Allan512]

@@Amandaaa2244 my partner's PCP is a PA, (an awesome one), but she does call herself doctor.

[@Amandaaa2244]

@@Allan512 she shouldn’t, that’s illegal.

[@ThatGirlJD]

@@Allan512 Does she have a PhD?

[@JustineAprilJ]

Lmfao this is a real-life neurosurgeon that's exactly like in Dr. Glaucomflecken's videos

[@reet7060]

He’s not. You’re basing it off a 9 minute edited clip.

[@josephdahdouh2725]

@@reet7060 Well, that clip unveils the true attitude and thoughts that Dr. Martin portrayed. A 9min clip is more than enough information to determine who a person represents, especially true when the person being represented explains what he thinks he represents. It is like you are telling the teacher, you are lying about your degree after she explains to you for 9min what her degree is about. Yes, the Earths is made of Earths, believe it or not.

[@amerghali5090]

He's raising good points but if anything, a "physician drop out" is better poised to talk about other things they've been able to do with their MD because their take would arguably be less informed by the tunnel vision of the traditional route that physicians take. I also think it's a rude thing to call someone so many props for being rational + not getting offended ✅️

[@khalilahd.]

Yeah I agree

[@ayakhafagy]

My dad who is 79 years old who is still a practicing surgeon always advised me that even as a physician, I have to think about investing and other sources of income. I have witnessed first hand surgeons who lost their careers due to illness or cancer or after an accident. This can happen to anyone at any age.

[@californiadoll6273]

He is right. I'm tired of DRs attempting to be influencers it's annoying

[@Allan512]

Yeah his attitude is all wrong, I don't understand where he trailed off to after the first 30 seconds. That said, he has a great point about credibility and fraudulent presentation. The amount of Tik Tok "doctors" that are actually podiatrists, PAs, NPs, chiropractors, etc. is absolutely frightening when you scroll through their content. When someone presents themselves as a doctor to me in a white lab coat, you bet I'd expect them to be an MD or DO. It's quite interesting to think from the lens of those that are unaware of the differences between degrees of training. Great vid as always!

[@Amandaaa2244]

Podiatrists are foot doctors. Many are foot and ankle surgeons who have completed residencies. Just wanted to point that out. Podiatrists know much more about feet than even orthopedic surgeons do. As long as they stick to feet, they are the most qualified people to speak on the subject.

[@Allan512]

@@Amandaaa2244 absolutely, I understand completely! There is a certain creator that is not forthright about their credentials. When you call podiatry school "med school", call yourself a doctor while wearing a white lab coat, doctor this, doctor that, while giving non-podiatric medical advice, I feel that the motives are clear. If I got a foot problem, you bet I'm heading straight for a DPM and calling them doc!

[@chandrasekharneelakandan390]

@dr Kevin Kubbal- big fan of your work mate !! Keep doing the great job

[@kevinjubbalmd]

Thank you!

[@TheNtg3399]

Great points on both ends. But to be honest, as a medical resident now, I have noticed the best doctors dedicate their time much more to medicine. Maybe it isnt healthy for longevity, but they are just the better doctors I have noticed.

[@joshbritton]

I’ll agree with some of the points Dr Martin made. I personally enjoy his content because it’s solely medicine, which is why I’m subbed to people like you and Dr Cellini who make content outside of medicine that still interests me, but gives me a good mix of the two.

[@maxos-4135]

The problem is that everyone wants the easy way out nowadays...i dont think thats beneficial long term to the patients because doctors will not be devoted enough with those distractions and "side hustles" and i dont think people who truly love medicine would care doing those "side hustle clownshow" I have absolute respect for Dr.Martyn and his opinion on the topic and as he is a father and as someone who has devoted decades on his field (and completing residency ofcourse) his opinion is 10x more important...we are defined by our obstacles and i feel very sad that the majority of my generation have not realized the importance of being a physician and truly changing lives for the better but on the contrary everyone just wants money fane and the easy way out...who gives a damn about the patient when i make millions on youtube huh? Ridiculous...and DO NOT tell me that a businessman changes life the same way a neurosurgeon or whatever specialty doctor does cause health is by far the most important dude...and that is what truly matters...

[@FacundoMD]

THEY FORGOT ME ON THAT THUMBNAIL ! Ali is not even a doctor anymore. .. Oh well... I provide always educational and unbiased information in English and Spanish ! NO other doctor on youtube can say that. I put double the work on all videos. BUT is okay. STAY SAFE Also: MedSchool Insiders in my opinion helps soooo many future medical profesional more than any other practicing physician.

[@kevinjubbalmd]

LOL

[@FacundoMD]

@@kevinjubbalmd :) And you are amazing by the way forgot that on my comment. I always say it you are an amazing entrepreneur with a succesful channel and MedSchool Insiders which in my opinion helps soooo many future medical profesionals more than any other practicing physician.

[@ThaliaRam]

I think both Dr Martin as well as you brought up very crucial points. My take is that the practice of Medicine is a privilege and while it should not be an all consuming practice, it should be respected, and you as a physician carry a great responsibility in what you put out there. You owe it to the public to be transparent on why you have authority to do so. I disagree with him considering "Physician dropouts", medical students etc as losing this authority or being less qualified. At least the ones I follow like yourself, Ali Abdal and Kristina Braly all do a great job of prefacing based on your prior experience. I do however see the opposite with some members of the medical fraternity on IG and TikTok especially pushing certain resources etc that are very expensive, and I can see how some persons may turn to getting these things at great cost just to have the same experience as said Influencer. I think the emergence of medical influencers does provide a fresh take on why work life balance is crucial. I have seen so many physicans fall into depression, and I think the old adage fits best "You can't pour from an empty kettle". I think it's important to have various aspects in your life that nurtures you, because if anything I've learnt in my 5 years of practice is that life is short and we need to make the best of it ❤️

[@KimTrinhMD]

I think both you, Kevin and Dr. Martin are making valid points. We should all be afraid of the med-influencers who have peddled anti-vaxx theories. We shouldn’t shame docs for wanting work-life balance. A discussion between both of you would make a great debate video.

[@surgerystudio7654]

Isn’t that the heart of science? Open debate and questioning something that lacks definitive evidence based medicine? Those who discuss anti-Vaxx theories are far more brave and in my opinion it shows they are committed to the “First, do no harm” mantra. They are the ones who are risking their careers and livelihoods by pushing back on big business and big pharma. Medicine is not one size fits all and anytime the government is stepping in to “mandate” unproven treatments, we in healthcare should be the first to stop the line, not just go along to get along. As a nurse, every single doctor I’ve asked about the vaccines efficacy and studies that have come out, have had absolutely no clue because not one of them has read a single study on it. They’re just doing what they’re told. The ones who’ve pushed back are the ones who are actually reading and evaluating the science. Hence the pushback.

[@jenglong7826]

Agreed. Would love to see that. Even if its a virtual async back and forth

[@duran4689]

Indeed. As med students we do not need this toxic thinking. We all joined medicine for different reasons with all different backgrounds. I could see this being a valid point of medicine was perfect. It’s not at all, it’s very stressful and mentally taxing. We need to be happy human beings to be able to be peak performing doctors. If anything it’s not talked about enough how to have balanced and choose speciality’s right for you. As well as finically literacy to optimize debt paying and financial security. I applaud those who take the time of day out of their very busy day to inform pre meds or med students on things we wish we knew! They are helping change the medical landscape for a healthier more efficient life for new coming physicians!

[@Dematsos]

As a resident doctor myself you both make some valid points. I used to work in a hospital for more than 100 hours a week. It was awful. I had to quit because the only thing in my mind ,once I got home, was getting enough sleep. After reapplying to a hospital where I work for 60 hours a week I am enjoying my work a lot more and I have time for myself and my family. That being said I do believe that some doctor-influencers have lost their way and are much more interested in social media than their work.

[@matthieup.4610]

Can’t agree more with your points. This toxic mentality in medicine of giving yourself totally to the profession has contributed so much to burnout, stress, and unnecessary pressure on trainees. Watching interns transform negatively over residency is a travesty yet all too common. I hope our generation will front the bill to make changes to make our profession into a happier, healthier, and more effective system. Thank you for your content!

[@TheTravisTube]

I think Dr Rutkowski makes some great points. More often than not, the "public faces" of certain medical fields on social media are less than ideal spokespeople for their profession. Suggesting that they may not be fully qualified to act in that role is simply Dr Rutkowski's opinion - and it's not "gatekeeping." Patients consume this material because it is highly accessible and often very entertaining, but infrequently supported or contextualized. For those reasons, laypeople SHOULD be skeptical of medical personalities online. Now a lot of this obviously depends on how much a person might be relying on the credibility that their degree affords them in the public eye, and what sort of content they are producing. I'm a medical doctor. You'll notice that there is no "M.D." behind my profile name, because that isn't what I do on YT. I'm not "Dr. Allen" to my friends; I'm only a doctor when I am working or when I am acting in a professional capacity. Now I don't have any problem with people who choose to put their titles on their social media profiles - that is entirely one's prerogative. But the Halo effect is rampant on YT, with physicians presenting information and laypeople willing to base the validity/competency on whether they think that person is attractive, shares their political views, or has a solid production. It should go without saying, but most of the real "influencers" in medicine aren't social media influencers at all - they aren't partying on yachts and reading startup company advertisements online - they are working diligently behind the scenes.

[@nickp9994]

Gotta love the chiropractors that give life changing diet advice

[@JakeGibbonsMD]

Thanks for making this video. I watched the neurosurgeon’ video a few weeks ago and though he made some points I agree with, overall I was rubbed the wrong way. He himself has made a couple Dr Glaucomflecken reaction-type videos.

[@emilyhartman2475]

Just leave Dr. Glaucomflecken out of this, he's too wholesome 😭

[@liavasi2161]

If I ever see my doctor or a prospect one on KZbin he’s not getting my business. Ego, narcissistic behavior is a powerful thing.

[@vanntooot]

Dr. Martin is the kind of MD who may or may not have been that dude in your med school batch who topped the rankings every single time and furiously worked to keep himself above everyone else just so he could sneer at their inferiority. He may or may not have been that surgery/neurosurgery resident who sucked up to all his seniors, hogged all the good cases, and yelled at his juniors while miraculously being immune to burnout. He may or may not have been the guy who obsesses over the importance of using Evidence-Based Medicine in treating patients but can't be bothered to even glance at peer-reviewed case-control studies about the impact and prevalence of burnout/mental health issues among doctors because "those pussies aren't real doctors". He's also the kind of dude who you know who doesn't have an ounce of humility in him precisely because of how much he preaches about humility.

[@wideeyewanderer1785]

You may or may not be right lol

[@abcxyz9168]

Dr. Rutkowski is better in person. He is very personable and kind. The man is a straight shooter. He loves helping and being able to bring healing to his patients. I told him I've watched his videos prior to performing surgery on a loved one. He knows what he is doing and very capable. Because of that he WANTS to bring relief on people who have been suffering from brain tumors.

[@vanntooot]

@@abcxyz9168 I don't disagree with you. But keep in mind what you said is coming from the perspective of being his patient, i.e., the other side of the healthcare system. There are a lot of egotistical, condescending, and abusive senior consultants towards their peers who revere the traditional authoritarian culture pf medicine who are reciprocally very kind and understanding towards their patients. Think of it as a Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde kind of phenomenon.

[@sadmermaid]

Search up '73 questions with a neurosurgeon' (kinda basd off the Vogue one!), its with Dr Rutkowski and is more personal. The guy who does them interviews some great drs in cool professions.

[@vanntooot]

I guess there will always be apologists for controversial people huh

[@kissmekisaa]

Why did the neurosurgeon go into neurosurgery? So he can condescendingly tell other people he's better than they are!

[@msz9523]

I think you have very conveniently missed the point at 11:00 and it is that there are very few/no medical influencers who broadcast their passion for advancing medicine or the art of practicing x/y/z specialty. Nobody is saying you need to disregard financial investments etc, but the majority of medical influencers these days seem to want to influence everybody into building a side hustle and leaving medicine, rather than how to practice medicine with gusto.

[@manuelfernandeztato2185]

A wall of text and you still have no idea why this phenomenon happens. I don't think he missed the point, it's a plain disregard because it's simply not true. Most med influencers hype medicine and have a pair of videos about the "negative, mental health, balance" side of the coin. Is up to you to figure out why some physicians talk about leaving the field.

[@DrCureAging]

they're both right through. Both promote different lifestyles. The old and new lifestyle. Lifestyle is as subjective as it can get.

[@itsgonnabeanaurfromme]

Yes you can be a doctor and have hobbies, but when you use your professional title in those hobbies to get popular on social media, it's just gross. I met so many people who would never want to be treated by a social media doctor. No surprise most people who are medfluencers are Americans, notoriously the most inept doctors with the least patient exposure and working hours. When I went to the US, OB residents barely deliver more than 5 or 10 patients a day and some IM residents can't identify a heart murmur without ordering an Echo first. No offense to any US doctors out there. Just wondering to any social media docs, is this your dream? Did you really go into medical school to be an influencer?

[@faiza3930]

Two very interesting perspectives and a very salient topic! Some good points from both sides and I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle, as it usually does. I agree we millennials/ gen Z are rightfully prioritizing work life balance and time for other life pursuits and questioning the toxicity/ exploitation of the medical education system. Some things do need to change there. But I also think there is some wisdom in the "older generation's" perspective. I've seen many get distracted/ trapped in the life of social media/ influencer role and neglect their actually training. Time and energy is limited. There needs to be a very fine balance of these things, especially during vital training periods. Good ol' work ethic and focus is needed during training periods. There's a lot to learn and you do have to put your time and focus toward education during those times. And yes, there's def a problem with ppl talking about shit they're unqualified to talk about. Money is making people do some shady things and be disingenuous in many ways. I am grateful for informative content from med students/ residents because it did help prep me for what was to come. They should just be careful about the extent to which they're doing these things instead of focusing on their studies, think about their motives, and not make statements they're unqualified to make. Advertising expensive products etc. which are not necessarily backed by standard of care medicine is also shady. Let's just be honest and not try to exploit less informed people/ the lay public for financial gain. We do need some accountability in this sphere.

[@julie982]

My take on Dr. Martin's video was to be honest and transparent about who you are and what your qualifications are. If a doctor is posting financial information, make sure to qualify it as his/her opinion--making sure not to come off as a financial expert. If someone has dropped out ofa program, be up front about that instead of trying to come across as an expert in that program. It is not about being "only" medicine, it is about drawing clear lines between what a doctor has expertise in and what is their opinion.

[@stvnchrist]

Dr Jubbal’s safe word is nuanced🤣

[@Hisoka107]

Too bad this guy wasn't a gastroenterologist that way he can pull the stick out of his ass lol. What's interesting about the the neurosurgeon is that he paints things very broadly, black and white etc. I agree that there are probably people abusing the doctor title especially the chiropractors on youtube. Personally I don't see anything wrong with saying orthopedic surgeon reacting to tick tock videos and and discussing the actual treatment by a doctor. The last thing I noticed is that this doctor seems a little bit arrogant as if you don't have the qualifications or meet up to his standards then you're not good enough. Maybe he should go and look in the mirror, eat a slice of humble pie and reevaluate his perspective. Just cuz somebody is hyper specialized in one area doesn't mean that that translates to every other area or aspect of life.

[@reet7060]

He probably sees a lot of the negative aspects because his residents talk to him about bad advice they were given from social media. Kevin and his friends are great! But I just got an ad on this video that was from a scam doctor. Promoting an investment course. He kept saying “As a doctor I know exactly how to grow money”. Guy’s name is Chest Zoda

[@reet7060]

Dr. Martin is not that much of a boomer doctor. He recently got his board. He has good intentions but when you see a lot of evil it can cloud your sight. You’re a bit of a judgemental asshole though.

[@reet7060]

Probably one of the few times I slightly disagree with Kevin. I got a freaking scam doctor investment ad in the middle of Kevin’s video. Some guy named Chest Zoda giving HORRIBLE investment advice to pre meds and residents. I think this is what the surgeon was speaking on. There are quite A LOT of scammers with PhDs or MDs. They always use it in their titles to show “how qualified” they are. But then precede to lie to the viewers because a huge sponsor is backing them or they a course they’re trynna promote.

[@warhammerakias1994]

both of you are making valid points, but the main thing that sold me towards your perspective is that no matter what you choose as a profession, you have the right to make the choices that make YOU happy. you don't owe the rest of society your sleep, your longevity and your health and at the end of the day being a physician is just another job. If someone wants to dedicate their entire existence to their job that's their thing. But no one should just judge the rest of us that want to live our lives the way we want to. 1st year IM resident btw. Been watching you since med school. Love your content.

[@kevinjubbalmd]

Thank you!

[@MDSlayerTK]

Why grind in residency when your KZbin or IG is giving you money and fame while being 100 times less stressful. I don't blame them but for me personally actually working in medicine is not glamourous. It's very real , gritty , emotionally challenging and is a huge responsibility

[@Dr.Macrophage]

I agree with most of what you said in this video, especially about physician burnout and the corrupt system. I don't like your attitude and how you made fun of him and personalized the issue. You also didn't include parts of his video that are very imortant to get his message, particularly the last part, which made his view look much worse than it actually is.

[@abeabebb]

I agree

[@josephdahdouh2725]

You attack with a hook! You get that hook cycling back at your throat. You can't expect this channel not to attack back a condescending physician who is in search of clout by expressing a heretic opinion. Who does that other person think he is for acting in such a way against literally everyone, but himself? Does that older guy think that he is all knowing and righteous, and that his view is the only correct one? I find it pretty annoying that the other guy has flamed a fuel of war. All he did is conjure hate towards himself, and create hateful comments from one community to the other. I find his view extremely childish, and find that calling it an older process of thought(as this channel put it), as a more respective way of putting it. Anyhow, thank you for sharing your opinion, and excuse me for sharing mine.

[@AVTRCuddy]

I’m kinda pissed he called out you and your channel, you’ve been immensely helpful for years. He’s out of line with this one.

[@reet7060]

He didn’t specifically name Kevin. In fact I don’t think he’s talking about Kevin at all. More likely he’s talking about doctors like Doc Mike or Chest Zoda. Known scammers that promote false information as fact to their non pre med or med audience.

[@trigonometrisk]

I think there are good points made on both sides in this argument. I can definitely see that from the POV of a hard-working, grinding neurosurgeon that young youtubers like to have the clout of a seasoned doctor without having put the hours in. Especially if that person is a dropout or not even a proper health professional to begin with. But I do think this is something that is typical of Internet at large, you can easily just decide that you are an expert on a topic and brand yourself as such.

[@illnotsick2883]

working hard and having fun are not mutually exclusive

[@themarathoncontinues4211]

It is to the old school docs

[@diegos.marquezdiaz4860]

@@themarathoncontinues4211 but dr Mike is old school, then he is right, dr Jubal is new school then he ido right as well

[@themarathoncontinues4211]

@@diegos.marquezdiaz4860 sorry, I don’t understand what you are saying. Dr Mike as old school? I don’t think so bro

[@jamesm.9285]

I just opted out of medical studies because of the opportunity cost and realising it would take me 7+ years until I could really help people the eay I want to, and I would be spending most of my 20's not experiencing the "balance" of life the I personally aspire to, only to land a low-paying job initially working overtime in the UK. But... I admire and fully respect everyone who goes down the medical route wholeheartedly, and encourage you to do it early (I'm 21 now). Maybe I'll come back to the idea once I have financial independance and can choose it purely for the interest, but for now it's not the best option. Thanks for discussing this Kevin, that took some courage.

[@Geulanee]

It's like in that movie "Click" the dude manages to become top dog at his firm, but in the end loses his wife, kids, even his relationship with his dad falls apart. But yeah he loves his job and that's all he does. We make medicine out to be some kind of superhero gig, but we ain't superhero's. We are people, we can't let our work dictate every aspect of our life. Balance is the key, our big brain, over 9000 IQ neurosurgeon is just confused and dare I say going through a midlife crisis possibly.

[@dou]

I'm applying to medical school this year, but I think Dr. Rutkowlski brings up great points. Sure, you don't have to be one dimensional and neglect your health, but I will always trust a committed, fully practicing physician on medical and doctor relevant career advice over others. Commitment to a profession might be "old school", but hell, patient lives are on the line and anecdotally speaking, these committed physicians are the ones who patients end up trusting the most.

[@neurogalmd]

Great video. Agree with you 100%. Glad someone reacted to Dr R's videos...His video is definitely reflective of the old school medicine mentality. Thank you for reacting!

[@paulac.munoztorres]

I feel there’s something we all need to learn about what he said. He has walked a long ass walk in his field. Not to say one must agree on everything he says, but when one is putting oneself out there to possibly be dictate and inflict others in the topics of their health, under the qualification of “doctor” or “nurse”, I’d say that one needs to straighten up and put up the professional facade. Having said that, I agree with you that financial education is very important for everyone, medical professionals included. Not entirely sure that a medical doctor making their channel all about financial issues and getting multiple streams of income would be the right focus for a medical oriented channel, but that again is just my opinion. Thank you for your input, I realise social media is something really hard to keep real and useful. Thank you for doing your best.

[@HarpreetSingh-tt3io]

I agree with the NS on the posers in medicine. He is completely wrong when it comes to the dedication of medicine. Burnout is real in medicine and making doctors sick

[@tylerj3855]

I think we’re in a period of time where medicine hasn’t been, being a online content creator as well as being a physician, this will show us who will become a better physician, the old school type of personality or the new generation who has focuses in multiple areas to avoid burnout and trying to maximize work/life balance. I understand Dr. Martins concerns completely yet I also understand your concerns about upcoming physicians. If time will prove that no one is really required to have the work life balance of the old school type of physician, great news. But what if it’s going to produce more mediocre doctors and hinder medical advancements because more people are enticed by the monetary motives and fame instead of focusing on becoming better physician.

[@maxos-4135]

Exactly!

[@murraysolomon4924]

"You are here to do the work. If you happen to learn something that is an incidental benefit" said one attending to me as a resident.

[@tylerp7522]

His points are hard to interpret because you don't know the extent of what he's saying or how good the faith of what he's saying. Most of the points he makes are all things hsp admins and department chairs say in bad faith to put you in your place when you have concerns or critique of a program. But there are valid concerns on each of the points. a few examples, 1) people going into medicine as a status symbol and means to something else and no real vesteture of being good at medicine and improving the field- this is widespread in med school and residency. 2) people doing medicine and immediately fixating on how to work the least and retire ASAP. This is BS because we shouldnt be choosing MD candidates that are going to only practice 10 years and dont even want to work! Many more points to be made, but alot of these social influencers seem to have these attitudes and spreading them and seem slimy in motivational. Jabal makes the mistake of interpreting his points to the extreme without finding what he is right about. He needs to also steel man what he's saying or he seems disingenuous.

[@Hansahmed818]

He talks about humility a lot for someone who is judging a lot of influencers

[@christianc7420]

He has the mindset of an elitist, which isnt a bad thing since it shows hes very confident, skilled, and dedicated to what he does, but elitists tend to ego trip which says a lot about their insecurities more than anything.

[@isaiahpinkerton3445]

Most new attendings, residents, rising med students, and premed students are millenials and there is a CRUCIAL need to talk about finances because even as doctors with high income, the debt of going into medicine, housing costs, rising rent, and cost of living is already crippling the new generation. The average private medical school grad debt is $300,000 + interest + grad/undergraduate debt (+interest). So new doctors are not "living it up" like the old guard who paid a fraction of the cost and with significantly less academic/financial barriers.

[@IvanAtli]

I mean as arrogant as he sounds, a podiatrist or pharmacist going around online as if they are a physician doctor (that “d” word is dangerous now), is frustrating

[@hassanshahid5832]

Attendings forget all the bad things about residency and remember only the good stuff that bias bleeds into their lives . Saying when i was your age i worked 30+ hours straight for blah blah blah shows that this guy just wants others to suffer because he suffered

[@Emily-hd9sm]

Ummm many of us who want to go into medicine need to see what it's like to be a so-called "incomplete product." That may not be what life as an attending is like, but how ridiculous to assume that everything involved in getting there is unimportant to learn about along the way!

[@kole1ful]

I’m a junior doctor and a Mom I just envy these people who are able to do all of these and still have a thriving KZbin Chanel 😢😢😢 I need thier tips on productivity and work life balance cos….

[@firechicken420]

I recently started considering doing premed, and I'm incredibly glad I found your channel - I didn't know about these problems with burnout and how medical education is structured before, and as someone who's already prone to burnout and has suffered from an episode before, I'm glad I get to hear about this side of things before making those decisions. Just because you dropped out of residency doesn't make you a bad source of information, it makes you a better source of information for people like me who need to see that side of medicine.

[@yeouidoboy]

This neurosurgeon or whatever needs to learn what humility is.. As a psychiatrist, I see so much anger inside of him.. Poor guy

[@dry.colton]

He was literally explaining why he was angry.

[@emphasis20]

At the end of the day, he was just explaining his opinion. That can be subjective, but I think it's possible to at least pick some truth from what he was saying. IMO, psychiatrists and psychologists can be very quick to judge in a non helpful way.

[@yaseenme_]

this guy is the definition of a "Gunner"

[@gdaymates431]

Also, isn't it funny that he was happily featured and interviewed on a med students KZbin (73 questions or whatever it's called) which helped him get subscribers on his KZbin channel. I guess he only likes medical influencers when it is convenient for him.

[@InformaticageNJP]

As if a neurosurgeon needs KZbin attention..

[@gdaymates431]

@@InformaticageNJP he had hardly any followers before he did that Q&A...I remember watching the video, going directly to his KZbin and being surprised at how low his subscriber count was. But whatever.

[@manuelfernandeztato2185]

@@InformaticageNJP to get an audience yes it does. That's exactly why an ignorant gamer can have millions of views and the channel of a surgeon can have no subscribers. And that's ok, but he is being an hypocrite. Even when his first points where valid. The authority fallacy is very common, and it happens often in this field, which is by the way one of his own complains.

[@LifeWithJuan]

7:06 Fellows shouldn't have a monopoly on content creation, because as he says, everyone is continually in a process of learning and growing. That means everyone has a unique perspective, even medical students and resident-trainees. I would like to think that after finishing med school, passing the board exams, and having an impact on lives of your patients, it should somehow amount to some level of qualification.

[@crixsnbhagi]

I agreed with 40% of Dr Rutkowski's content, but the remaining 60% I knew I didn't agree with and that it was going to cause controversy with other doctors. Hence this video.

[@toottoot24]

Longevity medicine? How do you go from Gen surg resident to an unlicensed “longevity medicine” physician? Genuine question

[@HomeCooktoProCounselor]

Thank you Kevin, I agree with Dr Martin but i have a good question do you think a PhD or PsyD should be able to use the title Dr name I think every person I watch who uses a Dr in their name have graduated with their degree they have earned in their area my second reason to defend the person who got their PhD or PsyD they have completed a doctoral dissertation for an example my HS English teacher has a PhD in English and also later went back for a MS in criminal justice he teaches a class related to the MS degree called crime films the class uses analysis skills and then use the group discussion model to discuss

[@inimolend]

As a young doctor, I agree with you 100%. Ignoring doctor burnout and lacking financial skills is not good for doctors or their patients. I have found a lot of useful infromation and inspiration from your videos even though I am not practicing in the same country. Thanks for your work!

[@saleshmp8200]

Basically he wants everyone miserable like him.

[@kevinjubbalmd]

😂