Are Engineers nothing without Scientists? or is it the other way around?

[@PointofUncertainty]

What do you think... Does engineering drive discoveries and science or is it the other way around?

[@user-lb3ex6yh9u]

I completely agree with the physicist there. After a new invention or discovery we just lose interest in it. It's then left to others like engineers to commercialise it. Viewing with a different perspective, no commercialisation would happen had the physicists not stepped in. So that's the answer.

[@sonicmastersword8080]

Both of these responses are wrong. They are interdependent. You cannot have the advances of one without the other.

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

@@sonicmastersword8080 nope science is not dependent on engineering.

[@Parzzyval]

yup you’re dumb. I’m an engineering student, so partially biased. think of it like related rates in differential equations. both influence one another, although one may influence the other more heavily. engineering pushes the bounds of discoveries made in science. think of p type and n type transistors in semiconductors. it’s a feedback loop with engineering demanding more scientific breakthroughs, and we apply what scientists figure out at scale.

[@funfordhruv]

@@yashJoshi-hn6bf hey man we need engineering (tech) to find new discovery which is made by own science

[@happyhomosapien3138]

Michio Kaku's explanation was on point, and it's more than enough to end this topic.

[@PointofUncertainty]

Yeah... It's like symbiosis, both needs each other in order to survive.

[@manishneekhra4583]

@@PointofUncertainty But unfortunately there are very less high paid jobs for scientists than for engineers due to which most people do engineering 😐

[@PluetoeInc.]

@@manishneekhra4583 which weeds out the money seekers from the pool thus maintaining a natural equilibrium between number of scientists to engineers as a specific constant ratio (i speculate)

[@priyanshu_6969]

@@PluetoeInc. whats wrong with seeking money

[@PluetoeInc.]

@@priyanshu_6969 nothing , theres nithing wrong in it , the problem is with pure money seeking zombies .

[@istvanp2819]

Both of them are totally right from their position. A good engineer is a promising physicist, a good physicist is partially an engineer.

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

No

[@m4h1_tww87]

@@yashJoshi-hn6bf why not?

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

@@m4h1_tww87 There is a wide difference in both

[@silverbright8111]

This question is Just like hisenberg's uncertainty principle

[@PointofUncertainty]

Damn True!

[@utube-o1j]

It's your knowledge that is incomplete

[@PluetoeInc.]

@@utube-o1j I kind of agree , well the line between engineers and physicists aint so blurry

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

@@PluetoeInc. it is you are unable to see it

[@ProfJigsaw]

...or the physicists are just waiting for engineers to catch up.

[@PointofUncertainty]

Well... yeah maybe...

[@ProfJigsaw]

@@Mendax297 You dunce, the theories that guide the inventions have to come first. Learn to read and comprehend!

[@TheManOfTomorrow]

@@ProfJigsaw exactly! Most of the times, Engineers need the understanding of the concept to invent things that are based on those concepts. In case of some (not all) concepts, physicists and mathematicians can survive (Note: not talking about literal life-death survival here) without engineering and machines but engineering need both i.e. mathematics and conceptual/theoretical physics.

[@engineer3447]

​@@TheManOfTomorrowyou just wrote exactly opposite

[@Dermie]

I am engineer so trust me, we dont need anything we just measure

[@devamjani8041]

As an engineer, Physicist always wins. Almost every time it is the engineers and engineering that follows the Physicists and the Physics. There are only a few exceptions where the roles were reversed. Physics is the heart and mind of engineering, without Physics, there is no engineering, except the low level stuff that can be done by trail and error. And yeah, Galelio was a Physicist and NOT an engineer. Infact, several of the engineers were Physicists. Physics also cultivates mathematics. Also, Physics has not stagnated, it has made several tremendous advances and several theories have been formed, the Physicists are just waiting for the engineers to catch up. Also, a bigger collider can be built to test some more things, ofcourse none of that will be even close to the Higgs Boson in terms of importance and impact, but still very significant, the only problem is convincing politicians to fund the project. Also, there are many areas of physics apart from particle physics which are still going at their pace.

[@greyshadow37]

I beg to differ. Physicists are damn smart and they have my respect but it's like we are all going from one place to another and the physicist ran too far and got sidetracked. The engineers have the resources (and the survival skills) to survive the trip and the mathematicians have the map. Sure, physicists wandering can search newer areas not covered on the map or find more resources than we currently have but without the skilled hands of the engineers or the guiding finger of the mathematicians physicists can get lost in the vast theoretical wilderness of the universe. So no, physicists are not waiting for engineers to catch up. They have gone off track and whether they have discovered something useful or have got lost is yet to be determined.

[@devamjani8041]

@@greyshadow37 I wouldn't say they have gone off track. The maths of many theories checks out. The only thing lagging, is as I said, the engineering capabilities of humanity. Also, if you mean to say that Physics has stopped giving results after the 2012 Higgs Boson discovery then I would say it is not true. Physics has given many results since then, in maths, engineering, etc.

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

@@greyshadow37 Physicist are waiting for applied scientists ie inventors to catch up , engineer don't have to do anything with scientific

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

@@devamjani8041 We are waiting for applied scientist/inventors to invent new technology, engineer don't have any relation to us.

[@SaptarshiChakraborty-zo5dz]

In short, scientists solve the problems of engineers and engineers solve the problems of the society.

[@lusakomwakalenga]

Scientist are the back bone. In that case

[@PluetoeInc.]

@@lusakomwakalenga I like to think it of it like a relay race , both are working with postulates/axioms are running with it to see where it leads them , engineer's axiom's are physicists theorems , altho I do think physicist runs the first lap but both are kinda the same .

[@PluetoeInc.]

@@lusakomwakalenga & dont confuse my answer to be a diplomatic one , I hate diplomatic answer and I hate hypocrisy .

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

It's totally different actually

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

Pure Scientists remain above everyone else in pillar of wisdom as they create knowledge, applied scientists found a way to find applications of that knowledge in daily life & engineers apply that technically.

[@paulnnamdi4098]

I liked the video because of Michio Kaku and not Elon Musk. Kaku put everything succinctly as it is while Elon was just ego rambling. I studied Engineering myself.

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

You have studied engineering, so you would know that applied scientists are the one who find applications of science & you engineers apply them in real life

[@karimmoubayed330]

Thats why i chose to take Engineering Physics for my undergraduate. We are the inventors

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

Yup, applied scientist are inventors, not engineer

[@TPMA_Official]

In short Scientist is to discover and Engineer is to create. Both must work together for the successful creation.

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

Engineers don't create anything, they just make uses of science more efficient and profitable & those uses which engineer works on is created by applied scientist

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

Engineer don't create anything bruh, inventors/applied scientist do

[@Helodium]

What do you mean dude. What if an engineer were to invent a new device that creats green energy?! He is not an engineer?! ​@yashJoshi-hn6bf

[@YloGamerPro]

We are just a Team, there is no reason to attack each other. We have the same goal, and it's to make the advancements to our world be a better place. Scientist and engineers together lead the development of the future.

[@PluetoeInc.]

I like to think it of it like a relay race , both are working with postulates/axioms are running with it to see where it leads them , engineer's axiom's are physicists theorems , altho I do think physicist runs the first lap but both are kinda the same .

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

@@PluetoeInc. They don't depend on each other

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

True

[@attitudeprince3563]

Computer Science Is Engineering Discipline and branch of Electronic Engineering....

[@speedcomhpc]

It is a branch of Math

[@midnightmadness1714]

BTW John Bardeen (one of the inventors of transistors) was an electrical engineer fundamentally.

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

And he was physicist as well

[@UrSecurityCodePls]

It is respectful to assume both are equal bearing in mind it incooperates individual potential, motivation and many other discrepancies. What's more there is no reason you can't pursue either (or at least from a professional standpoint). It's mostly what you feel is between what you think you should be doing and what it is you'd like to do.

[@parthkhanayat420]

What a beautiful video !!, Good Job Ankit

[@rahulbasak2150]

Physics and Engineering both are related and dependent upon each other , sometimes Technology gives rise to new Physics ; at the other times Physics mostly gives rise to new Technology . Both have great impact on Society . Example :- Wireless Communication Technology which followed the Basic laws of Electricity and Magnetism in the 19th Century. Another Example of mostly Physics gives rise to new Technology :- Silicon Chip which triggered the Computer Revolution in the last 3 decades of 20th Century and many more .... !!!

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

You should know that technology is created by inventors not engineer & inventors themselves are applied scientist

[@OscarColeman-c1e]

The relationship is symbiotic.

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

It's not

[@Plethoria074]

We would slide into obscurity without the other, as an engineer, physicists are the scientists I will never slander.

[@nnishchit289]

Engineers are train and physicist are the tracks

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

Actually, you are somewhat wrong here Scientists are track that's true but engineers are not train they are passengers on that train & the actual train is applied scientists

[@philhermetic]

The laws of thermodynamics were based on the study of the steam engine. Engineers had already built and run steam engines and locomotives without any knowledge of thermodynamics!

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

They are invented by inventors & inventors themselves are applied physicist.

[@nazeerahammed3019]

Btw from which college are you from ?

[@PointofUncertainty]

I am gonna join college this year... I'll update you after JEE Advanced 😉

[@Someonrr4458]

Both are great in their way

[@RyanWeaver-fp5kq]

When we consider various spheres and sectors… the better becomes workable.

[@banban8481]

Food for thought, Engineering discipline is older than scientific method.

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

Lmao it's not.

[@banban8481]

@yashJoshi-hn6bf Yes it is, the Great Pyramid is built by using the Engineering method. For a thousand years we built many grand monuments without knowing what scientific method. Even now we still do it, that's why it's called engineering and not applied science.

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

@@banban8481 So according to you those people build all the pyramids & stuff without having any knowledge of mathematical sciences ( Like shapes, proportions),. Basically geometry itself , ok,then.

[@banban8481]

@@yashJoshi-hn6bf Yes, that's great! You got it! Engineering came first and the science follows it. They built things first and study them not the other way around. That's why there are many small failed pyramids with weird shapes like the mastabas and the step pyramid before they perfect the engineering to create the great pyramids.

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

@@banban8481 Nah, even before that humans discovered fire , lightning.ie. Science

[@kermit5948]

The idea of discovery drives scientists but the idea of invention drives engineers. And these inventions are usually from these discoveries of scientists. Not saying one thing is above the other but both are equally contributing

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

Inventions drive inventors not engineer there is difference in them

[@pattern9271]

Bro beauty of computer science please😄

[@PointofUncertainty]

Posting in some days sir!

[@lusibhuty768]

You stole my words!

[@mohdareeb3541]

Bro please make video related to programming.... like its application and real life uses....

[@PointofUncertainty]

Sure, the next video will be on it! 🔥

[@dominicbravo9360]

they are the same, government just split them so one can go to classroom and teach, one could go to laboratory to invent, research or discovered and one go to construction or industrialization for business and money making activities.

[@ApatheticPerson]

It's crazy how people care for the opinion of someone like Elon Musk, especially on scientific matters

[@Duckface998]

Engineering is a science, so the differentiation is stupid but, physicists make the world go round, engineers make the world tangible

[@PointofUncertainty]

Absolutely mate!

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

Engineering is not science

[@Duckface998]

@@yashJoshi-hn6bf yes it is

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

@@Duckface998 nope it's just a different profession which uses science just like doctor, accountant.

[@Duckface998]

@@yashJoshi-hn6bf is biology just a different profession too? After all, its an applied and simplified version of chemistry, only difference is engineering uses more physics then biology does chemistry when doing it

[@thimiranimsara9741]

Physicists found what can change the world....Engineers change the world from it.

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

Except applied scientists spoonfed engineer

[@sanskaarsingh2669]

Just Awesome👏

[@alokpradhan9087]

When I very curious looking & waiting for scientists but I not feeling about on engineer.

[@eren_yeager9927]

Dude shut up you commented in this video like 10 times

[@jbangz2023]

It's both

[@ardhendubhooshans1english906]

Sheldon ain't happy after seeing this...😬

[@PointofUncertainty]

😂😂😂

[@KeepCalmandLoveClassics]

It's like the Batsmen and Bowlers of any Cricket team. Or the Strikers and Defenders of any Football team. Both are equally important.

[@lusakomwakalenga]

No we scientist would replace engeenerers any time we wished just that we lose interest fast as said in the video

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

They are important but engineer & scientists are not equal

[@Comtodaddyl]

Basically. A physicists work happens in the brain. And an engineer is the crafts man.

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

Inventor/applied scientific is craftsman not engineer

[@billybutcher6345]

People who do double major in Physics and Engineering 💀

[@alokpradhan9087]

Engineering depend on science and science not depend on engineer.

[@masoudsakha]

depends. without engineering equipments, you can not do precise experiments to improve your physical understanding

[@michealliu8969]

@@masoudsakhaapplied physics usually create their own machines

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

@@michealliu8969 true

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

@@masoudsakha Experimental equipments are made by inventors who themselves are applied physicist

[@masoudsakha]

@@yashJoshi-hn6bf you think that for example Cern is created just by applied physicists. Thousands of Electrical and mechanical materials, ... engineers help to build that.

[@lavyabansal9742]

It is the curiosity of discovery that drives science for engineering it is the uses of it and creating something more that's what I believe. By the way you never told us about yourself(I just read you are going to become a engineer.)

[@PointofUncertainty]

Well... you are right! Curiosity drives everything... . . And about myself... I am just a student right now and I am gonna go to college this year. And I am also a National Level Coding Competition winner!

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

Engineers do not find application inventors do

[@Arunkumar-mp9fc]

Engineer's are genius but scientist is the legend.

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

And applied scientist leads the engineer

[@alokpradhan9087]

Not compare scientist & engineer because they are different kind of aim .

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

Both Engineer & scientists lies on opposite position of knowledge pyramid.

[@alokpradhan9087]

A person will become a engineer easily but not to possible will become a scientist.

[@eren_yeager9927]

It's the other way around

[@eren_yeager9927]

I suggest you attend an English class first

[@SteveOmnipotent]

​@@eren_yeager9927It's the way he described , even though the english is terrible, it's true.

[@eren_yeager9927]

@@SteveOmnipotent Good luck getting employed in a high paying job

[@eren_yeager9927]

@@SteveOmnipotent You're typing this on a computer/phone designed by an engineer

[@faridval_mlbb]

i think both of them is great

[@pattern9271]

Bro computer science pls

[@alokpradhan9087]

Science and Engineering is separat things, and science is studdy, research of Anything but a engineering is study of desighning, iging for use mass population.

[@TechnoSan09]

comparing einstein with elon is like comparing elephant with a monkey 🤡

[@RyanWeaver-fp5kq]

Arts and press… think of the eco systems of health, climate and tools. Academia, governance, etc. locks, local and larger contexts… authentic connections. #ReEnlightenment

[@debomondal]

Why Mask is here? Rich does not make you wise. The way he is answering is the answer from an unwise person just like common people.

[@RyanWeaver-fp5kq]

Context helps.

[@Daniel-xz5ls]

Scientists represent the '0 to 1', while engineers represent the '1 to 1000'.

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

Wdym

[@blackhole4813]

Scientists are also engineers. Engineers can't be scientists unless they do research.

[@Mathematicalgene]

Perfect 👍

[@utube-o1j]

I am little late here, but yeah Elon is True! Science owes more to steam engine than what steam engine owes to science. What came first scientist or engineers? Engineers, men who invented fire or wheel were damn great engineers, physicist are just philosophers building castles in air! Their work is often useless since it has nothing to do with utility. What is science? Attempt to predict laws underlying some phenomenon, usefulness is not a criteria here but Novelty is. What is Engineering? Creating something badass that is gonna change the way we live, to design cost effective, safe and profitable artifacts is engineering, it owes nothing more to science than it owes to language. Engineering is intuition for how things work, it's passion for invention of crazy stuff. Physics owes to engineering much more than anything else.

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

Engineers don't invent anything, inventors do & inventors themselves are applied scientists.

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

We exist because of science, science thrives towards eternal knowledge, it gives us wisdom, Engineering do not stop us from believing in superstition, science do,, science flame of knowledge!

[@beautyoftheworld9865]

@@yashJoshi-hn6bfthere are many inventions that was invented by engineers

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

@@beautyoftheworld9865 And these engineers were applied scientist

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

Men who invented wheel would atleast have knowledge of mathematical sciences to construct wheel in circular form.

[@alokpradhan9087]

Engineer (civil, mechanical,electrical) & scientist (physics, chemistry, biology, zoology, cosmology, ) study of universe.

[@alokpradhan9087]

Whome population is big in world ( scientist or engineer) then what is easy or hard, then what is more important.

[@Adelfuns18]

Last century physicist did a lot of heavy lifting but todays physicist are stagnated putting all their attention and time on string theory, they need to work on something else with engineers to keep improving technology.

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

Bro string theory is not a single problem , there are many for example dark matter, dark energy, black holes, hierarchy problem, arrow of time etc

[@Adelfuns18]

@yashJoshi-hn6bf it doesn't change the fact that no new technology has come of todays physicist.

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

@@Adelfuns18 Bruh do you know how much time does it take to emerge technology from discovery, you seems like a naive layperson to me

[@Adelfuns18]

@@yashJoshi-hn6bf how much time did it took to openheimer and other physicist to come up with the atom bomb or nuclear energy? not much.

[@trawsoza2926]

I like the thumbnail lol both are physicists

[@Mathematicalgene]

Physics born engineering 😂😂

[@RyanWeaver-fp5kq]

Design thinking and beyond. #GPOHIEMSOSTS

[@io2068]

A good engineer is a Great Physicists 👍

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

No

[@grav8455]

​@yashJoshi-hn6bf been looking through the comments and I see you've been like 7 months in this comments section dedicated to downplay engineers for whatever reason. What's that?

[@Pair-O-Bulls]

First of all, Elon Musk is no engineer. He's an "entrepreneur" (translation = money-grubbing materialist capitalist) I consider it nothing less than a COLOSSAL TRAVESTY that his company bears the name of a TRUE visionary who would probably be rolling in his grave if he knew what his name was being used for today. Nikola Tesla was maybe the most brilliant human ever to have lived. Science is little more than Information Processing without real world implementation, PRACTICAL APPLICATION.......for which you need engineering

[@railgap]

You based a video on this? Seriously? Don't you have homework you should be doing? Have you tried NOT being laughable?

[@RyanWeaver-fp5kq]

Health, climate and tools… #LoveEVICTShate

[@space_monkey3188]

Engineering is the weakest branch of science no cap fr

[@eren_yeager9927]

You're typing this on a phone/computer designed by an engineer

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

@@eren_yeager9927 um invented by an inventor

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

Engineering is not science

[@eren_yeager9927]

@@yashJoshi-hn6bf Can you read?? I said "DESIGNED" not invented, says a lot about your comprehension

[@eren_yeager9927]

@@yashJoshi-hn6bf Get your facts right, the transistor was literally invented by an engineer together with a physicist, but guess what? It was the engineers who revolutionized it where they could fit literally billions of transistor in a thumb-sized chip. Also, it's the engineers who actually design technological systems

[@alokpradhan9087]

Engineer are not smarter then to a poor physics student

[@alokpradhan9087]

Elon mask a engineer with buisness man but not great from Elbert Einstein.

[@illusion-x8518]

PHYSICS❤❤❤😍😍😍😘😍.