Are Engineers nothing without Scientists? or is it the other way around?

“Scientists investigate that which already is; engineers create that which has never been.”
This thought provoking video will make you question whether engineers are more important to this world or scientists... We have featured two of the most influential personalities of their fields. This video shows you the point of view of Elon Musk and Michio Kaku when asked if it's science that driving engineering or it's the other way around.
Hope you also enjoyed this video. Comment your views about it in the comment section.
Video Credits:
* Elon Musk: Who's Better? Engineers or Scientists? ( • Elon Musk: Who's Bette... )
* Michio Kaku: Engineer vs. Physicist ( • Michio Kaku: Engineer ... )
Audio Credits: Epidemic Sounds
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[@PointofUncertainty]

What do you think... Does engineering drive discoveries and science or is it the other way around?

[@user-lb3ex6yh9u]

I completely agree with the physicist there. After a new invention or discovery we just lose interest in it. It's then left to others like engineers to commercialise it. Viewing with a different perspective, no commercialisation would happen had the physicists not stepped in. So that's the answer.

[@sonicmastersword8080]

Both of these responses are wrong. They are interdependent. You cannot have the advances of one without the other.

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

@@sonicmastersword8080 nope science is not dependent on engineering.

[@Parzzyval]

yup you’re dumb. I’m an engineering student, so partially biased. think of it like related rates in differential equations. both influence one another, although one may influence the other more heavily. engineering pushes the bounds of discoveries made in science. think of p type and n type transistors in semiconductors. it’s a feedback loop with engineering demanding more scientific breakthroughs, and we apply what scientists figure out at scale.

[@happyhomosapien3138]

Michio Kaku's explanation was on point, and it's more than enough to end this topic.

[@PointofUncertainty]

Yeah... It's like symbiosis, both needs each other in order to survive.

[@manishneekhra4583]

@@PointofUncertainty But unfortunately there are very less high paid jobs for scientists than for engineers due to which most people do engineering 😐

[@PluetoeInc.]

@@manishneekhra4583 which weeds out the money seekers from the pool thus maintaining a natural equilibrium between number of scientists to engineers as a specific constant ratio (i speculate)

[@priyanshu_6969]

@@PluetoeInc. whats wrong with seeking money

[@PluetoeInc.]

@@priyanshu_6969 nothing , theres nithing wrong in it , the problem is with pure money seeking zombies .

[@istvanp2819]

Both of them are totally right from their position. A good engineer is a promising physicist, a good physicist is partially an engineer.

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

No

[@silverbright8111]

This question is Just like hisenberg's uncertainty principle

[@PointofUncertainty]

Damn True!

[@user-eq5kb3sn3p]

It's your knowledge that is incomplete

[@PluetoeInc.]

@@user-eq5kb3sn3p I kind of agree , well the line between engineers and physicists aint so blurry

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

@@PluetoeInc. it is you are unable to see it

[@SaptarshiChakraborty-zo5dz]

In short, scientists solve the problems of engineers and engineers solve the problems of the society.

[@lusakomwakalenga]

Scientist are the back bone. In that case

[@PluetoeInc.]

@@lusakomwakalenga I like to think it of it like a relay race , both are working with postulates/axioms are running with it to see where it leads them , engineer's axiom's are physicists theorems , altho I do think physicist runs the first lap but both are kinda the same .

[@PluetoeInc.]

@@lusakomwakalenga & dont confuse my answer to be a diplomatic one , I hate diplomatic answer and I hate hypocrisy .

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

It's totally different actually

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

Pure Scientists remain above everyone else in pillar of wisdom as they create knowledge, applied scientists found a way to find applications of that knowledge in daily life & engineers apply that technically.

[@victornweze7230]

...or the physicists are just waiting for engineers to catch up.

[@PointofUncertainty]

Well... yeah maybe...

[@victornweze7230]

@@Mendax297 You dunce, the theories that guide the inventions have to come first. Learn to read and comprehend!

[@TheManOfTomorrow]

@@victornweze7230 exactly! Most of the times, Engineers need the understanding of the concept to invent things that are based on those concepts. In case of some (not all) concepts, physicists and mathematicians can survive (Note: not talking about literal life-death survival here) without engineering and machines but engineering need both i.e. mathematics and conceptual/theoretical physics.

[@engineer3447]

​@@TheManOfTomorrowyou just wrote exactly opposite

[@Dermie]

I am engineer so trust me, we dont need anything we just measure

[@paulnnamdi4098]

I liked the video because of Michio Kaku and not Elon Musk. Kaku put everything succinctly as it is while Elon was just ego rambling. I studied Engineering myself.

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

You have studied engineering, so you would know that applied scientists are the one who find applications of science & you engineers apply them in real life

[@parthkhanayat420]

What a beautiful video !!, Good Job Ankit

[@attitudeprince3563]

Computer Science Is Engineering Discipline and branch of Electronic Engineering....

[@speedcomhpc]

It is a branch of Math

[@TPMA_Official]

In short Scientist is to discover and Engineer is to create. Both must work together for the successful creation.

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

Engineers don't create anything, they just make uses of science more efficient and profitable & those uses which engineer works on is created by applied scientist

[@karimmoubayed330]

Thats why i chose to take Engineering Physics for my undergraduate. We are the inventors

[@sanskaarsingh2669]

Just Awesome👏

[@YloGamerPro]

We are just a Team, there is no reason to attack each other. We have the same goal, and it's to make the advancements to our world be a better place. Scientist and engineers together lead the development of the future.

[@PluetoeInc.]

I like to think it of it like a relay race , both are working with postulates/axioms are running with it to see where it leads them , engineer's axiom's are physicists theorems , altho I do think physicist runs the first lap but both are kinda the same .

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

@@PluetoeInc. They don't depend on each other

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

True

[@nnishchit289]

Engineers are train and physicist are the tracks

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

Actually, you are somewhat wrong here Scientists are track that's true but engineers are not train they are passengers on that train & the actual train is applied scientists

[@mohdareeb3541]

Bro please make video related to programming.... like its application and real life uses....

[@PointofUncertainty]

Sure, the next video will be on it! 🔥

[@Someonrr4458]

Both are great in their way

[@RyanWeaver-fp5kq]

When we consider various spheres and sectors… the better becomes workable.

[@dominicbravo9360]

they are the same, government just split them so one can go to classroom and teach, one could go to laboratory to invent, research or discovered and one go to construction or industrialization for business and money making activities.

[@pattern9271]

Bro beauty of computer science please😄

[@PointofUncertainty]

Posting in some days sir!

[@lusibhuty768]

You stole my words!

[@nazeerahammed3019]

Btw from which college are you from ?

[@PointofUncertainty]

I am gonna join college this year... I'll update you after JEE Advanced 😉

[@rahulbasak2150]

Physics and Engineering both are related and dependent upon each other , sometimes Technology gives rise to new Physics ; at the other times Physics mostly gives rise to new Technology . Both have great impact on Society . Example :- Wireless Communication Technology which followed the Basic laws of Electricity and Magnetism in the 19th Century. Another Example of mostly Physics gives rise to new Technology :- Silicon Chip which triggered the Computer Revolution in the last 3 decades of 20th Century and many more .... !!!

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

You should know that technology is created by inventors not engineer & inventors themselves are applied scientist

[@jbangz2023]

It's both

[@thimiranimsara9741]

Physicists found what can change the world....Engineers change the world from it.

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

Except applied scientists spoonfed engineer

[@alokpradhan9087]

When I very curious looking & waiting for scientists but I not feeling about on engineer.

[@eren_yeager9927]

Dude shut up you commented in this video like 10 times

[@valcartoon]

i think both of them is great

[@kermit5948]

The idea of discovery drives scientists but the idea of invention drives engineers. And these inventions are usually from these discoveries of scientists. Not saying one thing is above the other but both are equally contributing

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

Inventions drive inventors not engineer there is difference in them

[@Arunkumar-mp9fc]

Engineer's are genius but scientist is the legend.

[@Duckface998]

Engineering is a science, so the differentiation is stupid but, physicists make the world go round, engineers make the world tangible

[@PointofUncertainty]

Absolutely mate!

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

Engineering is not science

[@Duckface998]

@@yashJoshi-hn6bf yes it is

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

@@Duckface998 nope it's just a different profession which uses science just like doctor, accountant.

[@Duckface998]

@@yashJoshi-hn6bf is biology just a different profession too? After all, its an applied and simplified version of chemistry, only difference is engineering uses more physics then biology does chemistry when doing it

[@pattern9271]

Bro computer science pls

[@ardhendubhooshans1english906]

Sheldon ain't happy after seeing this...😬

[@PointofUncertainty]

😂😂😂

[@lavyabansal9742]

It is the curiosity of discovery that drives science for engineering it is the uses of it and creating something more that's what I believe. By the way you never told us about yourself(I just read you are going to become a engineer.)

[@PointofUncertainty]

Well... you are right! Curiosity drives everything... . . And about myself... I am just a student right now and I am gonna go to college this year. And I am also a National Level Coding Competition winner!

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

Engineers do not find application inventors do

[@alokpradhan9087]

Engineering depend on science and science not depend on engineer.

[@masoudsakha]

depends. without engineering equipments, you can not do precise experiments to improve your physical understanding

[@michealliu8969]

@@masoudsakhaapplied physics usually create their own machines

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

@@michealliu8969 true

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

@@masoudsakha Experimental equipments are made by inventors who themselves are applied physicist

[@masoudsakha]

@@yashJoshi-hn6bf you think that for example Cern is created just by applied physicists. Thousands of Electrical and mechanical materials, ... engineers help to build that.

[@KeepCalmandLoveClassics]

It's like the Batsmen and Bowlers of any Cricket team. Or the Strikers and Defenders of any Football team. Both are equally important.

[@lusakomwakalenga]

No we scientist would replace engeenerers any time we wished just that we lose interest fast as said in the video

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

They are important but engineer & scientists are not equal

[@Comtodaddyl]

Basically. A physicists work happens in the brain. And an engineer is the crafts man.

[@user-fo4ys7bx3y]

The relationship is symbiotic.

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

It's not

[@RyanWeaver-fp5kq]

Context helps.

[@Plethoria074]

We would slide into obscurity without the other, as an engineer, physicists are the scientists I will never slander.

[@alokpradhan9087]

Science and Engineering is separat things, and science is studdy, research of Anything but a engineering is study of desighning, iging for use mass population.

[@RyanWeaver-fp5kq]

Arts and press… think of the eco systems of health, climate and tools. Academia, governance, etc. locks, local and larger contexts… authentic connections. #ReEnlightenment

[@alokpradhan9087]

A person will become a engineer easily but not to possible will become a scientist.

[@eren_yeager9927]

It's the other way around

[@eren_yeager9927]

I suggest you attend an English class first

[@SteveOmnipotent]

​@@eren_yeager9927It's the way he described , even though the english is terrible, it's true.

[@eren_yeager9927]

@@SteveOmnipotent Good luck getting employed in a high paying job

[@eren_yeager9927]

@@SteveOmnipotent You're typing this on a computer/phone designed by an engineer

[@debomondal]

Why Mask is here? Rich does not make you wise. The way he is answering is the answer from an unwise person just like common people.

[@philhermetic]

The laws of thermodynamics were based on the study of the steam engine. Engineers had already built and run steam engines and locomotives without any knowledge of thermodynamics!

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

They are invented by inventors & inventors themselves are applied physicist.

[@alokpradhan9087]

Whome population is big in world ( scientist or engineer) then what is easy or hard, then what is more important.

[@alokpradhan9087]

Not compare scientist & engineer because they are different kind of aim .

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

Both Engineer & scientists lies on opposite position of knowledge pyramid.

[@trawsoza2926]

I like the thumbnail lol both are physicists

[@RyanWeaver-fp5kq]

Design thinking and beyond. #GPOHIEMSOSTS

[@user-eq5kb3sn3p]

I am little late here, but yeah Elon is True! Science owes more to steam engine than what steam engine owes to science. What came first scientist or engineers? Engineers, men who invented fire or wheel were damn great engineers, physicist are just philosophers building castles in air! Their work is often useless since it has nothing to do with utility. What is science? Attempt to predict laws underlying some phenomenon, usefulness is not a criteria here but Novelty is. What is Engineering? Creating something badass that is gonna change the way we live, to design cost effective, safe and profitable artifacts is engineering, it owes nothing more to science than it owes to language. Engineering is intuition for how things work, it's passion for invention of crazy stuff. Physics owes to engineering much more than anything else.

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

Engineers don't invent anything, inventors do & inventors themselves are applied scientists.

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

We exist because of science, science thrives towards eternal knowledge, it gives us wisdom, Engineering do not stop us from believing in superstition, science do,, science flame of knowledge!

[@beautyoftheworld9865]

@@yashJoshi-hn6bfthere are many inventions that was invented by engineers

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

@@beautyoftheworld9865 And these engineers were applied scientist

[@Adelfuns18]

Last century physicist did a lot of heavy lifting but todays physicist are stagnated putting all their attention and time on string theory, they need to work on something else with engineers to keep improving technology.

[@io2068]

A good engineer is a Great Physicists 👍

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

No

[@grav8455]

​@yashJoshi-hn6bf been looking through the comments and I see you've been like 7 months in this comments section dedicated to downplay engineers for whatever reason. What's that?

[@alokpradhan9087]

Engineer (civil, mechanical,electrical) & scientist (physics, chemistry, biology, zoology, cosmology, ) study of universe.

[@blackhole4813]

Scientists are also engineers. Engineers can't be scientists unless they do research.

[@railgap]

You based a video on this? Seriously? Don't you have homework you should be doing? Have you tried NOT being laughable?

[@matterasmachine]

science is based on experiment. No radio - no experiments on radio. Therefore creation is first. Engineer is first.

[@PointofUncertainty]

Engineering forever! (I am also gonna become one soon) Cheers!

[@AlokSingh-ld5zt]

Theoretical physicist who gave theory of Electro magnetic radiation are laughing sitting at a corner.

[@AlokSingh-ld5zt]

Theoretical physicist who gave theory of Electro magnetic radiation are laughing sitting at a corner.

[@matterasmachine]

@@AlokSingh-ld5zt you are saying bullshit. First there was faraday and and his electric engine created through retries.

[@karmveer_singh_rajpurohitr4686]

@@matterasmachine but the engine word says about fundamental laws of physics. And an engineer never can work on anything like this he just apply the fundamentalism of physics. And finally it's about who is first it's always a scientists, they give the direction to engineers to work on the subjective.

[@RyanWeaver-fp5kq]

Health, climate and tools… #LoveEVICTShate

[@space_monkey3188]

Engineering is the weakest branch of science no cap fr

[@eren_yeager9927]

You're typing this on a phone/computer designed by an engineer

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

@@eren_yeager9927 um invented by an inventor

[@yashJoshi-hn6bf]

Engineering is not science

[@eren_yeager9927]

@@yashJoshi-hn6bf Can you read?? I said "DESIGNED" not invented, says a lot about your comprehension

[@eren_yeager9927]

@@yashJoshi-hn6bf Get your facts right, the transistor was literally invented by an engineer together with a physicist, but guess what? It was the engineers who revolutionized it where they could fit literally billions of transistor in a thumb-sized chip. Also, it's the engineers who actually design technological systems

[@alokpradhan9087]

Engineer are not smarter then to a poor physics student

[@alokpradhan9087]

Elon mask a engineer with buisness man but not great from Elbert Einstein.

[@illusion-x8518]

PHYSICS❤❤❤😍😍😍😘😍.