Are Europeans Really Becoming More Right-Wing?

[@lilacbookshelf1909]

I think it's closer to say Europe is becoming more anti-establishment. Lots of places are experiencing similar problems. Low economic growth, inflation, housing problems, migration, low birth rates. There's a sense of stagnation across the continent which fuels a sense that the established orders aren't working, which helps fuel opposition parties. In Germany, Italy, France and Sweden, that's a move to the right. In the UK it's a swing leftward.

[@Abeisgreat1]

Bingo. This far right label is just a leftist slur to scare the population from voting for them. It's actually center right populism

[@Iltazyara]

Leftward. In the UK it's a swing 'leftward'. By having both of our main parties swing to the right. Something seems a little bit off with your statement. We might end up with a Labour government here, but that doesn't stop them being a centre-right party based on current - because Starmer can't hold a single position for six months without getting restless - policies.

"becoming anti establishment" is not a thing. Establishments would get replaced by new establishments. That is how governments exist. What you are describing is anarchy

[@dennyroozeboom4795]

You’re right in the Netherlands there is a growth in opposing parties. On the right they are often populist and make a lot of noise. But due to the Dutch electoral there almost always needs to be a coalition with the center. That center party was old and rusted and basically has been replaced by a couple of center ones.

[@chheinrich8486]

Couldnt have said it better

[@Frozhiir]

Right wing voters are very numerous in Belgium (mostly Flanders) could be an interesting topic for a video because it is such a divided country whilst being the seat of the EU

[@daandevos122]

Well, the lack of a right wing in Wallonia kind off prevents any right-wing voters there. The only party to the right there are the liberals. The shift to extremes leads them to go communist instead of the right, simply because there is no right. In Flanders... There is also a shift to Both extremes, with both the communists, as well as the far-right flemish seperatist party growing in popularity. Most of this growth fueled by the collapse of the Flemish center, consisting out of 1) Christiandemocrats, who fail to set themselves apart as anything other than "the party more busy with ruling than withh ideology", and suffer under the secularisation, and people not voting for the same things as their parents, their whole life long. And 2) Liberals, who aren't really liberals anymore, and hence are losing a lot of liberal voters. It must also be noted that, as presumably in most of western Europe, the right is often presented as very eil, whilst the left, despite being as extreme, is often presented as a better option. I think it says a lot that far-right parties still can do so well in such a hostile environment to them. There have been talks about the reemergence of a libertarian party, which would be far-right, but not as far as the extreme Flemish seperatists. Personally, I think if they would reemerge, they would probably just remove the liberal party out of existance, due to being a more liberal alternative.

[@HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva]

That's because "Belgium" isn't a country at all, just a construction set up by the French and Brits to spite the Dutch into ever properly reuniting. The quicker it dies, the better it will be for all parties involved.

[@NaSaSh1087]

​@@daandevos122far right and far left both growing can be seen also in France (Melonchon and LePen) and to an extent in Greece.

[@thomasjung1982]

Belgium is the perfect example of what the limits of European political integration are!

[@sdtok527]

​@@thomasjung1982nahh it's far too early to tell. EU project is really in it's infant state. It's multi generational project in my opinion.

[@ecnalms851]

Europeans as a whole to me seem to be becoming more economically left-wing, but more socially conservative/typically 'right-wing' such as being anti-immigration.

[@sebastiangruenfeld141]

How are Europeans anti immigration when they've allowed tens of millions of non-Europeans to come in the past few decades?

[@JeroenMW2]

The point is that most voters aren't even anti-immigration. They just want 'illegal' immigration to be dealt with more strongly. Compared to all other nations in the world these 'right-wing' parties have more left-wing policies.

[@bobfearnley5724]

Very hard to sustain the spending when they are social conservative.

[@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana]

I mean... they are able to be sustaining it regardless.@@bobfearnley5724

[@MeredyFT]

I wish europe would move more right-wing economically... but no..people being dumb like to step into a trap.. again

[@tancreddehauteville764]

Europe is not becoming more right wing, but people are increasingly fed up with mass immigration and falling living standards. This is why they are turning to protest parties more and more.

[@deeznutz8320]

And also the fucking crime that doesn.migrants bring Here in Holland they cant speak the language but they know the word racist to guilt trip the locals NGO's train these people

[@hamlet557]

@@deeznutz8320 I'm also fed up with people who call western women "immoral" and "sluts" and when you call them out, they call us "racists" At some there should be an END.

[@ceejay1476]

@@hamlet557 Ironically, it's those same western women voting en mass to bring those people here, lol.

[@kingkoi6542]

Sounds like Europe is moving right 😎

[@MabusNero-bb3sv]

​@@hamlet557actually you're all immoral...... You think high body counts are normal.....and also you clowns are the one who voted pro migration.....now enjoy your medicine freak.....

[@MaelPlaguecrow6942]

"Because of Germany's difficult past with right wing politics." Yeah, that is an understatement if I've ever heard one.

[@karankapoor2701]

They also had a communist past

[@HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva]

@@karankapoor2701 Me when I look up what the Communists did in Berlin 1945 when "liberating" Germany:

[@Heretus]

I wonder what is he referring to , the National socialist German worker's party ? That,wanted everything to be controlled by the government? If so , what exactly where their right wing policies and ideas ? More government? Is not a right wing politics , government controlling the market and means of production? Not a right wing policy , centralising and controlling economy? Not a right wing policy, Socialism ? Not a right wing policy. I think most do not understand that those people had nothing to do with free markets , capitalism, freedom of choice (from where you send your skills to school to what you produce, buy and where) , etc

[@wallaroo6510]

Nazi: The National SOCIALIST German workers party

[@CarlMarxPunk]

@@karankapoor2701 What are you trying to compell with your comment friend.

[@MrDarudin]

In Germany the problem isn't that we are shifting to the right, it's that the formerly centre-right CDU started abandoning traditionally conservative voters in exchange for urban voters. You can't just move to the centre without expecting new right wing competition to emerge.

[@Jonas_M_M]

Merz is trying a different approach, but the party big shots naively yearn for the days of 30-40% under Merkel.

[@AleXoEx0]

The problem with Germany is that it won't exist in 50 years if things keep coming the way it has. Germans will be a minority and Muslims will be 20-30% of the country.

[@byunbaekhyun2283]

The other problem is no urbanites likes CDU, if you look at the electoral maps, urban areas are always Red, Green, or Purple, never Black..

[@MrDarudin]

@@byunbaekhyun2283 Berlin.

[@byunbaekhyun2283]

@@MrDarudin Only because SPD fucked up so much, as a result, many older voters who are economically left-wing but socially conservative chose to engaged in the culture war and voted for CDU. If SPD agree to be more leftist economically like Greens and The Left asked then that seat loss would never happen.

[@alexpotts6520]

I don't think it's right to say that these guys are "economically left-wing", the pattern seems to be more "socially conservative, economically incoherent". A bunch of these parties talk about more support for struggling families etc but rarely do they accompany that with tax rises, as a result it's just unicorn economics that works great in opposition but falls apart if you ever have to implement it.

[@alespic]

I mean just watch what Meloni’s government did. They literally just abolished the “Reddito di Cittadinanza” which is basically a very small pycheck for citizens who are not working, to help them not die in the streets while they find a job.

[@saturationstation1446]

true left wingers say things like "labor is actually the only thing that gives modern currency any value" that immediately causes the whole house of cards to catch fire and explode like a firework.

[@gdf_6c]

Well said. Populist parties excel at bringing incredible, simple solutions to complex problems

[@melissacorbett4180]

I was about to say something similar as well! Removing all policies that deal with the climate crisis is hardly economically progressive... Taxing fossil fuel companies and using the additional money to help households with the green transition. Saying these parties are economically left-wing is just lazy analysis.

[@ricardoxavier827]

Thats because UK are a 2 party dictatorship, and UK citizens like you, dont know how to distinguish political parties. The main 4 directions: Socialist liberal Socialist conservative Capitalist liberal Capitalist conservative. Politics are not only left and right. We have several axes in each ideology pack.

[@AUniqueHandleName444]

France, Germany, Sweden, and Italy are all shifting right? Yeah, then Europe is shifting right.

[@Earth.Crafts.World.Seven.6]

In Italy, I saw an Indian guy harassed and a few Moroccans bullied off the street.

[@joyid]

@@Earth.Crafts.World.Seven.6 harassed.

[@Earth.Crafts.World.Seven.6]

Yes, Indian guy told to leave the street. @@joyid

[@mohammadali59080]

​@@Earth.Crafts.World.Seven.6 Yes, harassed by a Pakistani ( an immigrant).

[@Doge811]

@@Earth.Crafts.World.Seven.6 And? this is what happens with massive immigration a LOT of anger arise. And I mean a LOT, a few people are manageable millions over millions over millions that continously come..... It will be FAR FAR worse in the future.

[@hughjass1044]

When the people start moving towards what might be called "fringe" parties, they are in truth, sending a message to the established ones saying... "We are not satisfied!" A wise person might refer to these warnings as "the canary in the coal mine." Unfortunately, established parties tend not towards shifting and reforming their policies but instead towards turning to the loudest and most objectionable elements of the fringe parties, projecting that onto its entire following. then attacking it with vigor while doubling down on the stuff that caused the problems in the first place. This just serves to enrage the people even further and leads to an ever increasing cycle of escalation since when people are not listened to, they will speak even louder and eventually turn to those who are willing to speak loudest of all and are unhesitant to back up their words with action. And in nearly all of these instances, these new "heroes of the people" are some pretty unsavory characters indeed. None of this is necessary. None of it needs to happen. Ordinary people, by their nature, don't gravitate towards the fringes. They are pushed there by leaders who won't listen. There is a solution - Listen and act; NOW, not later. Remember why you ran. Remember what you promised. Look after the reasonable and you'll never have to worry about the radical.

[@paultaverne2788]

Exactly this. A term we use in Germany for people like that is "protest voter" which describes it in my opinion best

[@luzie3317]

And yet, the voters don't learn themselves. Because the cycle doesn't break. It's easy to blame the major parties and the governments for not listening, but the people often vote or express themselves against their actuall wishes. For such a cycle to continue, always two forces are at work. Voting for firebrand fringe parties isn't helpful, yet the voters do not learn.

[@hughjass1044]

It's NOT up to the voters to "learn!!" The politicians are there to serve the people, NOT the other way around! And when people cast their votes, they select one of the options that are available to them, they don't get to design one out of thin air based on their own best interests. This attitude of yours that maintains that old line parties are the best choice possible, that THEY know what's best for everyone else and that the unwashed rabble are simply too stupid to realize it and that they OWE their support to someone is EXACTLY the core of the problem! More than any other single issue, it is THAT smug, self righteous, condescending and dismissive attitude which enrages people the most and it is YOU they are protesting.@@luzie3317

[@luzie3317]

@@hughjass1044 Wow, you really pull conections out of thin air. I never stated that "old line parties" are what the voters should turn to. The cycle you described exists for a reason and those reasons need to be adressed. There are other options of changing the status quo than to vote for parties and politicians who's views you don't share and who's agenda you don't support. There are many, many other parties to vote for. They might be smaller, but that can only change if one votes for them. And if you can't find a single party out there who's agenda and policies you support, then join a party yourselve and influence it or create your own. Democracy presents the opportunity to really stand up for your believes. A system, where you can actually become part of decision making and such, where you don't need to just watch from the sidelines. It's easy to sit down and yell that your point of view isn't recognised, that your policies aren't implemented or your agenda isn't being followed. Before the ballot box, everyone is (ideally) equal and noone is above anyone else. That "smug, self righteous, condecening and dismissiv" attitude that you describe can equally exist in the voter, when it really shouldn't exist at all.

[@jurgnobs1308]

no reasonable person would ever vote for a fascist party in protest.

[@farright118]

The UK needs proportional representation as the current system isn't working

[@lewis123417]

Proportional voting is just one way to have a permanent stagnant center coalition government. It doesn't work for Italy, it deffinately wouldn't work for us

[@rizkyadiyanto7922]

​@@lewis123417absolute monarchy is what we need.

[@lewis123417]

@@rizkyadiyanto7922 constitutional works well enough

[@TvS92]

I agree, it's not ideal to have constant coalitions but imagine if the green party and lib Dems actually had a decent number of seats. Bit selfish but I think that'd be great,

[@ricardoxavier827]

Thats because UK are a 2 party dictatorship, and UK citizens like you, dont know how to distinguish political parties. The main 4 directions: Socialist liberal Socialist conservative Capitalist liberal Capitalist conservative. Politics are not only left and right. We have several axes in each ideology pack.

[@elciquito8159]

I just want houses to become a commodity again. Instead of a valuable asset like now.

[@GwainSagaFanChannel]

Housing should not be an economic investment available to the wealthy to generate more wealth rather a commodity available to all

[@Nick-n4j]

Houses never been a commodity for senturies real estate gave returns on par with stock market

[@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986]

@@Nick-n4jthe average house cost less than the average car in 1950s USA houses have almost always been a basic cheap commodity the idea that a place to live is an investment asset is practically a brand new concept

[@elciquito8159]

@@Nick-n4j You need to go back in history and check again 😅

[@KarlSnarks]

They gained their value as assets through their commodification, to be bought and sold as pleased (more or less). Housing should be viewed as a guaranteed basic need first and foremost.

[@wanderingjuniper]

Probably mainly about immigration

[@Muse22sims]

Racism, sadly

[@Frankie._.164]

@@Muse22sims Take a good look at Europe no wonder 😬

[@gameplay-ld6ch]

⁠@@Muse22simsWhat is has to do with racism?

[@weeabooman2867]

@@Besthinktwice Whereas your style of talking shows a total lack of any understanding.

[@achrystalflute]

Its about time these mislead right wingers realize that poor immigrants are just another scapegoat by the big money interest. But I guess economic analysis isn't a common trait in conservatives.

[@goughrmp]

Right left spectrum is extremely simplistic and is used more for being derogatory towards political opponents than having any unified meaning.

[@M1ssing_Link]

Being against unrestricted immigration seems to be a public unifying cause for the draw for right wing parties. To be honest that has to be expected with the current consequences experienced across europe of the refugee crisis since 2015

[@ollllj]

because machiavellianism is based on paranoia and murder-for-theft, you EASILY defeat one with any other. There is null trust within fascism, and this makes it extremely inefficient, as the poor axis-coordination on all fronts of the 2nd world war. They could only go "all in all the time", and this only works so often, and this is easily exploited or tricked.

[@mrm7058]

@@M1ssing_Link Claiming a certain party is left or right might be relative easy, as long as you focus on only one issue. But if you look at a huge spectrum of topics, it makes not much sense to see the political spectrum as a one dimensional line. You can find for example anti-immigration parties with a left-wing economic agenda. (As mentioned in the video) Are they left or right? 🤷‍♂

[@mrm7058]

@Tovalokodonc I look at it from the perspective of a voter, who has usually 10 to 20 options, sometimes even more. A simple left - right category to distinguish parties from each other makes less sense with more parties to choose from.

[@johnderrick2501]

You didn't mention that in the last election in Spain, contrary to predictions, the extreme right wing party Vox lost nearly half their parliamentarians. Spain is different.

[@miguelcardoso1903]

In Spain they lost a lot of votes to PP in useful voting, I think that's the main reason. Also, SUMAR lost a lot of votes to PSOE for the same reason, in my opinion

[@geograficmanodm1408]

Spain's problem were not the general elections. The problem is that VOX governs thanks to the PP in several autonomies and more than 100 municipalities. Furthermore, the PP has assumed a geat part of the extreme right's discourse on issues such as LGTB and social rights. In Spain the extreme right is already within the PP. You don’t need a far-right party when the “conservatives” are already Far-Right (Madrid Autonomy is the greatest example) that’s the issue and why VOX loses votes.

[@Doge811]

😂😂😂 In Spain the right took more votes than in Italy 😂😂😂 they just moved from vox to the center right.... Is just that in Italy the centre right was Berlusconi 💀

[@user-uf2df6zf5w]

Simple, Spain isn't experiencing the main reason for the right wing shift: mass MUSLIM immigration.

[@CarlMarxPunk]

@@geograficmanodm1408 So Spain is becoming more like the UK?

[@nickmacarius3012]

Politics resembles a pendulum. After swinging one way it will eventually turn round and swing the other way. The danger lies in how extreme these swings are and how frequently they become.

[@legopenguin9]

yeah thats why after thatcher swung uk politics into the far right we got centrist tony blair. absolute shite.

[@georgios_5342]

Europeans aren't becoming economically conservative but socially nationalist. There is a difference between the traditional (economic) right wing and the modern (social/nationalist) right

[@EmmaWithoutOrgans]

then why are all of these parties that are socially nationalist also constantly either corporatist or neoliberal

[@EmmaWithoutOrgans]

it’s welfare chauvanism/imperialism

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

So all of the "culture war" stuff but none of the economic benefits

[@Inucroft]

NeoLiberial is just deregulated Market Capitalism. It has a pretty name to soften it's impact upon the politically illiterate as it was formerly known as Reganomics/Thathurism @@EmmaWithoutOrgans

[@insolencePL]

Right wing parties are becoming more socially nationalistic. Left wing parties are also shifting, focusing on sexual minorities rights, environmentalism and animal rights. Mostly forgetting about terms like "worker class" or occupying wall street.

[@jahngomba4328]

When the situation becomes difficult we tend to move away from the center and go towards the extremes and the worse the more extreme you go

[@toyotaprius79]

But where does power and wealth reside? Historically and even today it tends to bankroll the extreme right to protect itself.

[@user-iy3gx9qg4y]

so democrats in USA are now extreme right wing? Your "logic" flies in the face of hundredes other examples.@@toyotaprius79

[@Hardcore_Remixer]

We moved away from the center to the point the center of today is far left in comparison to the center of 100 years ago and the center of 100 years ago seems far right by today standards.

[@Iltazyara]

@@Hardcore_Remixer If you're a right-wing drinking the far-right koolaid, sure. But realise this: Clement Atlee of Britain was 'left wing', not far-left, not communist, just... left-wing. And he's further left than any government in Britain since... oh, Thatcher? Because we, and America, and everywhere, had a gigantic swing to the right with Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. All the way into stupid-ville right-wing politics. And the current politics of the Republicans and Tories are more extreme than even their extremism. And that's half a century ago. Trying to pretend the centre is somewhere to the right of the Nazi's won't make you in the centre, it just makes you deluded.

[@bastiaan7777777]

What is "extreme" ? Please elaborate?

[@haisenbergwisnia135]

I don't think Swedish right wing party has much to do, since immigrants&their behaviour are the best advertisement for this party

[@rafalgan-ganowicz]

That means they have lots to do because there are plenty of leftists that will explain away any immigrant behaviour

[@steppedonmyglasses]

They're getting free advertisement at this point

[@doomerbloomer6160]

People say that its disgraceful that duolingo's most learned language in sweden is Swedish, pointing to it as evidence that there's so many immigrants in sweden that the culture is being replaced, while if you had half a brain you would realize that all that means is that the immigrants WANT TO INTEGRATE, which is why they're learning swedish in such large numbers.

[@loneprimate]

​@@doomerbloomer6160 Meanwhile, millions of Swedes pick up English and don't see a thing wrong with it.

[@ricardoxavier827]

Thats because UK are a 2 party dictatorship, and UK citizens like you, dont know how to distinguish political parties. The main 4 directions: Socialist liberal Socialist conservative Capitalist liberal Capitalist conservative. Politics are not only left and right. We have several axes in each ideology pack.

[@andrewnewsome4277]

As an American I am honestly jealous of European politics. You actually have choices wile our two party system leaves us with just having to choose between what we perceive as the lesser of two evils at the moment.

[@FTL1511]

Soo true and sad. US needs Europe but Europe needs the US even more and these destabilisations don't benefit neither of us.

[@sebastiangruenfeld141]

For the past 70 years we had the choice between right wing parties who love mass immigration but are fiscally conservative and left wing parties who love mass immigration but are fiscally liberal. In most European countries both of these formed big coalitions where the status quo was maintained.

[@gertvanderstraaten6352]

Yeah, we have at least a dozen parties in parlement but very little choice in what they stand for. We have at least 5 extreme right parties, one of which is pro-Russia, I guess that IS a choice... Not mine though. There are ZERO parties on the left that oppose supporting Ukraine though. The spectrum is not much wider than in the US, it just looks that way.

[@abcdef-ms9mb]

no shade on you since you're not here, but most european countries would probably say they have the same sort of system where they're forced the pick a lesser evil. I'm pretty sure even the US technically has more than 2 political parties, just only 2 significant ones. And even though that's not true for every european state, I don't really think it matters all that much - picking the lesser of the 5 evils isn't really fundamentally different from picking the lesser of the 2.

[@Vasanistis12]

European democracies would never work in America due to its pure scale and inner structure. You have the most successful democracy, there is no other nation that managed to stay democratic for its whole existence while having that much land (lack of nearby hostile forces played a role as well). The SCOTUS is one of the least corrupt courts in the world, they hold real power and the state prosecutors are indeed mostly independent and act freely. You won't find in Europe any judicial power that is not 100% corrupted and actively being run by the current governments or partially from the opposition. You might have only 2 options to choose from, but modern democracy is just a facade anyway. We are governed by unelected elites, so what you need is a strong constitution to protect you and to prevent a branch of government from monopolizing the others, because at the end of the day your only guarantee against someone's abuse of power, is another one's abuse of power.

[@tonyhart97]

In Ireland's case, we're shifting left for the first time in our history. But, just as mentioned in the video, it's less about the Sinn Fein party and their policies and more about an unhappiness with the status quo.

[@AverageIrishHound]

Ireland has been left for some time. The only thing Ireland is shifting more left on is gender politics. The important stuff is starting to shift right.

[@Xo-3130]

Literally everything parties voting base is anti-immigration.

[@allancrotch2953]

down the dust pipe down down and paper plane were great

[@tonyhart97]

@@AverageIrishHound FF and FG are centre-right and are doing worse than either of them ever had before. SF, SDs and Greens are all doing better than they ever have been. There's a definite shift to the left in politics, maybe not necessarily ideology.

[@PeterFlanagan0987]

Tbf Ireland has been left wing on economics for most of its history (except probably the late 70s- mid 00s) for the time. they’ve been socially conservative though up until the late 2000’s id guess. Though Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael are right of centre at the minute they’ve had plenty of left wing governments at least economically. Another weird quirk in Ireland is that on issues of race and identity polling consistently enough shows while Fianna Fáil’s in particular but also fine Gael’s voters are more religious Conservative, Sinn Fein genuinely seems to attract the most racist voters of the big three parties (though I suspect a large amount of their voters are very tolerant of immigrants too) essentially I’m saying I don’t think SF’s rise in support is particularly ideologically left more populist essentially. Sf themselves though are left of centre I just think their supporters are uniformly so.

[@ElysiumCreator]

Ireland seems very isolated in this trend, most likely because our two main parties are both center-right, so a lot of Irish people and especially younger voters are sick of the right, and are moving to the Left-Wing Sinn Fein.

[@bookinsights1092]

Ireland is being destroyed by immigration.

[@MoonPhantom]

Erh yeah no. Those parties may advocate themselves as right wing. But the politics they have enacted are extremely left. Just like the English Tories advocated themselves as being right wing. But everything they have done is extremely progressive left wing.

[@boarfaceswinejaw4516]

@@MoonPhantom how the hell are the tories progressive left wing? unless of course your idea of left wing is just "anything bad".

[@Purjo92]

@@MoonPhantom Hahahaha lol no.

[@adineatha9766]

The Tories left wing?

[@RafaelusOptimus]

I was born and raised in Mexico, and I've been living in europe for the past 12 years. I always found it funny, that many of the "center-right" parties in France (where I currently live) would fit squarely in the center-left in Mexico. Also, in poorer countries, is often the right that is pro-globalization, and is the left that tends to be hyper-nationalist, which seems to be the opposite in europe. I agree with your question at the end; although there are some generic guidelines between left and right, it's difficult to just put politicians in a binary system like that. Again, with the parallel in Mexico, the current president, AMLO, is supposed to be far-left, but what he really is anti-estabilshment. You can really make a lot of parallels with Donald Trump: he's extremely populist, he's always putting his foot in his mouth, he downplays science, and gives positions to friends and family like it's nobody's business...

[@atix50]

Excellent comment 👌

[@Lord-Pierre]

To be fair in Europe the most accurate way of doing a right- left scale is with immigration. The further your are to the right, the more anti immigration you are, and visa versa. All other political positions are more random. You can have right wing parties that are further to the left then some center left parties on economics At least that’s how it is in France but I have the impression it’s spread elsewhere

[@adelahogarth2761]

Probably because by 'pro-globalization' means something akin to Royal Dutch Petroleum hiring mercs and propping up a junta to help 'relocate' shitloads of people... Or letting Dole and Nestle monoculture land, privatize local water access, and prop up death squads to target people that are pissed off about that. Ultimately speaking, it's a bit hard not to have a bit of leftist talking points shift into some form of nationalistic commentary given the focus on poor countries is (should be) to create public companies in charge of resource extraction and management, and using that to prop up further infrastructure spending. It's kind of the unfortunate aspect of revolutions and ascensions of a new country in being. Happens even in developed economies. For example Australia, when pushing for Federation, kind of dipped its toes necessarily into commentary of 'controlling our borders and national destiny' in order to clear a win in the referendum--Ergo, meaning dogwhistling about limiting and halting Asian migration. It's less of an issue the more developed an economy or the longer it's been independent... But ultimately speaking, if you plan to win a revolution or ascension, particularly in a country that has been exploited by foreign multinationals, you're going to need to dip your toes into uncomfortable territory concerning 'self and other'.

[@atix50]

@Lord-Pierre Taxes, Free housing and the gender stuff also.

[@jerrymiller9039]

You should read up on the Biden Crime Family

[@bavery6957]

I don't think Mussolini was all that politically active in 1946. You know, being dead and all that...

[@HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva]

Neither was Stalin when he got a stroke and died face down in his own urine.

[@nieno9760]

Are you stupid? He said "supporters of Mussolini" not Mussolini. Also saying "supporters of Mussolini" is quite reductive when you know most of the founders where actual member of Mussolini's fascist party since the very beggining and where quite close to him

[@Vornez]

Yeah that's why they said "formed by supporters of Mussolini"

[@geenkaas6380]

@@HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva He was active in 1946

[@manuelapollo7988]

We are still waiting for Meloni's naval blockade...

[@sifuhotman1300]

Controlled opposition?

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

Alright, give it up for all the immigrants from the MENA region in the house! You know, these folks are really shaking things up in Europe - and not just because they brought their killer hummus recipes with them. No, these men and women are challenging the status quo in a whole bunch of ways. First off, have you seen the style game of these MENA immigrants? I mean, they're making the Europeans look like they got dressed in the dark. Between the vibrant colors, intricate patterns, and cool accessories, they're like walking works of art. And let's not forget about the food - I swear, once you try their falafel, you'll never look at a bland sandwich the same way again. But it's not just about fashion and food, these immigrants are also shaking things up politically. They're bringing fresh perspectives, new ideas, and a willingness to speak up and challenge the status quo. It's like they're saying, "Hey Europe, you're cool and all, but maybe it's time to step up your game a bit." And you know what? As a first-generation immigrant myself, I can relate to the struggles and triumphs these MENA immigrants face. When I first came to this country, I had to navigate a whole new culture, learn a new language, and figure out how to fit in. But you know what? It's worth it. Because at the end of the day, we're all just trying to make a better life for ourselves and our families. So here's to all the MENA immigrants out there - keep challenging the status quo, keep shining your light, and keep making Europe a more colorful, flavorful, and interesting place to be. And hey, if you ever need a comedian for your cultural night, you know where to find me. Cheers!

[@francescomasiero7285]

But EU doesn't want it

[@Martin-dg7it]

I'm surprised you rarely mention countries like Slovakia, Hungary, or Bulgaria - haven't heard anything from you about the upcoming elections in Slovakia at all, and why they could be crucial for EU's support for Ukraine.

[@cgt3704]

Or the rise of the far-right in Romania and what could mean for the 2024 elections

[@HandlesAreDumb420]

Its because they do not want to look like fools mispronouncing Fico's name again 😂 (Figh-kou)

[@PeterFlanagan0987]

They did actually do a video on Slovakia a little bit ago.

[@TiagoSilvaESC]

What is happening in Slovakia?

[@mimisor66]

@@cgt3704 the AUR are clowns, acting as boogey man. Unfortunately, the level of politicians from all parties has declined tremendously.

[@tsoutsekia]

Welp I hope no one gets rejected from art school

[@nothingheretowatch7371]

i hope they do

[@x-a-]

I hope several does get rejected from art school

[@bazookaman1353]

AI might make my programming course obsolete and I do lean right but at least I'm half jewish.

[@cathalobrien5691]

​@@bazookaman1353what country you in you should get into politics fr fr

[@bazookaman1353]

@@cathalobrien5691 Portugal. I ready said I leaned right so I'm somewhat into politics already.

[@SerenityNoww]

Politics itself doesn't fit neatly into the "Left-right analytic". I really wish people would stop acting like such a one dimensional framing has any coherence.

[@KarlSnarks]

It stems from the left (anti-monarchy) and right(pro-monarchy) side of the French parliament before the French revolution. So I'd say that if you can paint with a really broad brush, it's about power distribution (be it social, political, and economic power, which often interlink anyway). The left tries horizontally distribute power, while the right tries to maintain or regain current/previous hierarchical power structures. But I agree that this doesn't do justice to much nuances.

[@abcdef-ms9mb]

@@KarlSnarks the genesis makes sense but it's really outdated nowadays and it would probably be better for overall communication between people to drop that terminology or redefine it more in line with 21st century geopolitics

[@KarlSnarks]

@@abcdef-ms9mb fair. I think we should absolutely learn to understand our political climate in the context of a historical developments and both the huge changes and fundamental similarities, but we should also adapt it to new contexts. Any thoughts on what better categories would be? I'm not very convinced by the political compass because it also forces very different ideologies together.

[@NoidoDev]

The scheme is probably the preferred language by the cultural-maxists themselves, but everyone got used to it. Simple good and evil scheme for simple minds. "The left" is much more homogeneous than anyone who doesn't belong to it. I prefer to describe the problem as humanitarianism, doesn't matter if it's christian or socialist.

[@dillonblair6491]

​@@abcdef-ms9mb Not really, they aren't outdated in any way. it's funny to me how now that Europe is moving to the right while America is moving to the left, now all the Europeans are like "well what does 'right wing' even mean?"

[@egeerdem8272]

finally getting fed up with unchecked immigration

[@lulurose595]

I did laugh when you described Labour as centre left - not under Starmer, who has made it centre right.

[@queenbean7071]

Eh with Corbyn it was definitely much further left. I don't think Starmer is cente right. I do believe the whole he's just like a Conservative is just Conservative s trying to get people to not vote for him. His policies are definitely muted down, but he's still leagues better then Rishi or a Boris

[@joshualeonpearl3724]

Can you name a single right-wing policy of l=Labour?

[@Xioa-e9f]

Labour is far left under starmer

[@KamiInValhalla]

The answer I think is yes. There are 2 reasons for this from my perspective: minimal economic growth (COVID, inflation, Ukraine/Russia) and immigration (increased immigrant crime and dirty cities).

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

Europe: where the Christian, wealthy, and foot-kissing are welcomed with open arms...but heaven forbid you be poor or have an opinion that doesn't fit the status quo! It's a continent filled with love, unless you're broke or have a mind of your own. Welcome to the European paradox!

[@Forsthman64]

I agree with the anti-establishment analysis. Thank you for all the great data. Love this channel and it's great to have an English touch on KZbin, once in a while.

[@SLDimarco]

Except that antiestablishment has manifested as a right-wing shift as opposed to left-wing. So yes, Europe is shifting right back, I cannot believe how brief the memory of Europeans are, it's wild. Conservatism has brought nothing good to the world.

[@KarlSnarks]

@@SLDimarco While the left-right divide is a bit of a broad brush analysis, it's commonly misunderstood as just economic policy, rather than its original meaning of the old French left-side of parliament (the anti-monarchists) vs the right side (pro-monarchists), so it kinda translates to left: those movements that seek the horizontal distribution of power (social, political and economical), and right: the maintenance or (re-)establishment of a hierarchical powerstructure. So yeah, this 'anti-establishment' wave is definitely right-wing.

[@Forsthman64]

I've never met anyone as conservative as I am, but I agree more with my communist friends than I do anyone else. Also, the last time we had a conservative Europe was Napoleon and that was only bad because of his insane imperialism. Since imperialism seems to be the default setting on left and right, I don't think conservatism (which isn't synonymous with right-wing btw) is the problem here.@@SLDimarco

[@deeznutz8320]

​@@SLDimarcoLmao yeah listen to the winners who wrote history Conservatives are trying to save Europe from becoming Brazil or South Africa

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

Oh boy, the age-old question - are Europeans really becoming more right-wing? It's like trying to understand why socks always disappear in the dryer - it's a mystery we may never fully solve. I mean, have you seen some of these right-wing politicians cropping up all over Europe? They're popping up faster than weeds in a garden, promising to make their countries great again with a sprinkle of nationalism and a dash of controversial rhetoric. It's like a political circus, and you never know what crazy act will come next. But here's the thing - are Europeans really embracing right-wing ideologies, or is it just a case of political fatigue from the same old recycled promises from the mainstream parties? It's like when you're stuck in a rut and suddenly decide to dye your hair blue just for the thrill of change. And let's not ignore the impact of social media and the internet on shaping political opinions. It's like a digital battlefield out there, with memes, misinformation, and keyboard warriors duking it out for dominance. It's like a high-stakes poker game, but instead of chips, they're betting with likes, shares, and retweets. But you know what? As a comedian, I find humor in the chaos. It's like watching a reality TV show where the contestants are politicians trying to outdo each other with their outrageous promises and antics. Who will be the next political superstar? Who will be the voice of reason in a sea of extremists? Will we ever find out why some people think pineapple belongs on pizza? So, are Europeans really becoming more right-wing? It's a question that keeps us on our toes, like a never-ending game of political Twister. But one thing's for sure - the political landscape is constantly shifting, and we're all just along for the wild ride. And if you ever need a comedian to help you make sense of the madness, I'm here with jokes and a keen eye for the absurd. Cheers to politics, memes, and a whole lot of unpredictability!

[@Lando-kx6so]

6:40 it was really over a million people that moved to the UK last year

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

It's a question that keeps us on our toes, like a rollercoaster ride through the ups and downs of political trends.

[@JS-pb2qf]

One thing that Europeans are tired of is migration, Especially in the countries impacted the most by migrants.

[@lostandfound2893]

Probably because everything sucks, is getting worse, and people are fed up?

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

It's like being at a karaoke night where everyone's singing the same old ballad, and suddenly someone decides to bust out a rap verse just to shake things up.

[@nikolapetev]

Excellent summary

[@Squishydew]

I can see why, I'm generally accepting to religions and immigration, but at this point in The Netherlands we keep getting more immigrants while our housing crisis isn't being resolved, I'm living in with my parent at 31, actively applying for housing but i keep ending up 300th or even 500th in queue. We cant even house our own, but for some reason keep accepting immigrants, it just makes no sense, how do we support them if we don't even have room for our own? It's not just housing either, year to 3 year long waiting lists for certain kinds of healthcare as well.

[@potato_nugget]

In that case, wouldn't it make more sense to vote for the government that wants to increase health care and housing spending instead of the government that wants to kick out immigrants?

[@MoonPhantom]

Not only that... loads of the migrants coming in hates the host nation and are outright hostile to the natives We are outright punished for trying to be nice and help other people not even of our own nation. And now when we are saying... Dude this isn't working. We are taking people in who doesn't like us creating incredible tension for ourselves. We need to find a way to send them home and enable them to flourish in their own countries.... Then we are called Racist...

[@MoonPhantom]

​@@potato_nuggethouse them where? Europe is tiny. We only have so much land and it's all full. We are not America. We don't have miles upon miles of land with nothing on it. We are litterately full. And isn't it better to help people where they are instead of bringing them to strange new countries? Wouldn't it be better to make Nigeria a great place to live instead of just bringing all Nigerians to France.

[@mrsupremegascon]

@@potato_nugget Uh no ? If you increase health care and housing plan, you will only increase taxes for taxpayer (mostly natives) and motivate migrants to come even more. Kicking out most of the unproductive migrants. solve in just one move : - housing crisis - healthcare crisis - less burden on the sate - reduce criminality a lot

[@Purjo92]

Voting for populist con artists will not solve your housing or healthcare crisis, nor neither make you more rich enough to buy a house. Immigration is needed since Europeans don't make enough babies anymore, but that does not have to mean that there is no housing or healthcare for you. Are there no leftist parties that advocate for more state lead housing projects, or investment in healthcare?

[@Freezyloen]

What you're talking about in the end, we call 'proteststemmen' (protest votes) in the Netherlands. I would also say it is very likely that this plays a big part in the rise of these parties. While the simplicity of the singular political axis of left-right generally makes for a comprehensible overview of the political landscape, it is often not accurate enough and in my opinion people are way to set on it. It's like the saying among scientists, "all models are wrong, but some are useful".

[@sobhitc]

As a Swede who swung from left to right, I can say, I did it cos' I did not recognize my old Sweden anymore. The new ideologies - which should not be belonging in the modern world - started prevailing everywhere here. Not to mention the rise of parallel societies with regressive ideologies. So much so that these ideologies are even trying to change our constitution now (yes, I am talking about the latest so called "holy book" burning incidents). S has been playing a puppet for these ideologies in the name of "personal freedom" when clearly these ideologies should not be encouraged and are against what Sweden as a nation stood for in terms of gender equality, LGBTQ rights, freedom of expression etc. S, MP & V parties were in denial and Sweden was taking a steep downfall. SD was the only party who had balls not to be in denial and talk about it.

[@cuber5003]

Based, greetings from the US

[@exenderlloyd7750]

Skit i SD, de har svikit varenda jävla väljare. Ge i alla fall AFS en chans i EU-valet nästa år okej? Jimmie har i en intervju sagt att han fick igenom "i princip allt" gällande reformer för invandring men sanningen är att 50,000 fler kommer hit snart

[@paradisehub9382]

You are correct. Similar things are happening here in Britain. The homophobic stabbing here in London was all over left wing media until it was revealed that the perpetrator was of a “certain ethnicity”, now they have nothing more to say on the matter 😂

[@byunbaekhyun2283]

You do realize that SD is also against LGBTQ+ rights? The last time I checked their statement is very transphobic, so what's the difference between the conservative muslim immigrants and SD??

[@Krystukulusus]

Same shit in Poland. Now we have a dozens Ukrainians - people which butchered ( yeah literally , cuted heads , limbs etc. Massacres ) us not so long ago ( approx. 80 ago ) and the best is ... there were no apologies from them... And of course we have a new problem with far east Muslim migration and Indians (more and more).

[@darrishng7674]

There is no such thing as Far-Right or Far-Left, but Far-Right or Far-Wrong. That's it...

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

But you know what? As a comedian, I find humor in the chaos. It's like a sitcom where the punchlines just write themselves, and the characters are so outlandish you couldn't make them up if you tried. Who will be the next political nutcase to grab the headlines? Who will be the unexpected voice of reason in a sea of extremism? And most importantly, will we ever reach a consensus on whether socks and sandals should be banned forever?

[@drago939393]

I think the average European is shifting right because of strongly polarized, "black & white" public discourse about issues. For example, more and more people are starting to believe and follow harsh anti-immigration politicians, because left-leaning politicians pretend like there is absolutely 0 issue with immigrants and the culture they proliferate, while right-leaning politicians use that as further ammo for their rhetoric; the average citizen notices SOME issues regarding immigrants and then starts believing half-truths and hyperbole from the right, strongly due to the left functionally ignoring the issue. If the left were to acknowledge issues and "ugly truths" instead of sweeping things under the rug and worked on solid solutions to recurring issues, radical right wingers would have less to work with and thus fail to radicalize more people, being marginalized or at least forced to become more centrist and cooperative.

[@drago939393]

@@madmedic7840 ?

[@JP_Wu]

It is the left the one that only exists at the expense of social issues but does nothing to solve them, this is how they fool and get voters; that's why you have impoverished countries struck by their lefty dictator who is the only one that gets rich. On the other hand, right wing promotes jobs, investment, freedom, private property, entrepreneurship, etc. which make the country grow.

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

Ah, the age-old question - are Europeans really becoming more right-wing? It's like trying to figure out if pineapple belongs on pizza or not, you're never quite sure what the answer is. But let's face it, the political landscape in Europe is changing faster than a chameleon at a disco party. I mean, have you seen some of these right-wing politicians popping up all over the place? They're like a bad infomercial you can't turn off - promising to solve all your problems with a sprinkle of nationalism and a dash of populism. It's like they're playing a game of political charades, trying to see who can shout "build that wall" the loudest. But here's the thing - are Europeans really becoming more right-wing, or are they just fed up with the same old song and dance from the traditional politicians? It's like they're saying, "Hey, we want change, and if that means following a right-wing leader, then so be it." And let's not forget about the rise of social media and fake news - they're like the twins causing chaos at a family reunion. They've got everyone questioning what's real, what's fake, and where they stand on the political spectrum. It's like trying to navigate a political minefield blindfolded. But you know what? As a comedian, I see the humor in all of this. It's like watching a reality TV show unfold in front of your eyes, with plot twists and drama galore. Who will be the next right-wing sensation? Who will be the voice of reason in a sea of chaos? Will we ever find out if pineapple really belongs on pizza? So, are Europeans really becoming more right-wing? Who knows, but one thing's for sure - the political rollercoaster ride is far from over. Buckle up, grab your popcorn, and let's see where this wild ride takes us. And if you ever need a comedian to laugh at the absurdity of it all, you know where to find me. Cheers to politics, pineapples, and a whole lot of unpredictable surprises!

[@notaspeck6104]

True, immigration is neither the bane of existence nor is it perfect. You need to strike a balance, prioritise citizens while giving people with promise a chance. Unfortunately it seems most Europeans would rather just be racist…

[@harrason]

3:08 I don't think the disapproval rating here is 31%. Seems more like 64%?

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

it's a mystery we may never fully understand.

[@the.monologue]

nice work TLDR team! your work just gets better and better. I think you do a darn good job of trying to stay unbiased! keep it up! i know it cant be easy

[@gavasiarobinssson5108]

They are as globalist as can be

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

Ah, the burning question of the hour - are Europeans really becoming more right-wing? It's like watching a season of "The Bachelor" - full of drama, surprises, and questionable decisions.

[@Lemmy4555]

When the enstablishment want to looks like anti-enstablishment

[@KarlSnarks]

Exactly, still representing capital, but now with scapegoats to divide us and make immigrants even more isolated to get even cheaper labor, making the native working class even angrier at the wrong people.

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

So, are Europeans really becoming more right-wing, heartless, owl-like nutcases? It's a thought-provoking question that keeps us scratching our heads, like trying to understand why anyone would willingly watch a movie about sentient vegetables. But one thing's for sure - politics will always be a rollercoaster ride of emotions, surprises, and a healthy dose of laughter. And if you ever need a break from the madness, just remember - I'm here with jokes, observations, and a sprinkle of owl-inspired humor. Here's to politics, social media, and the never-ending quest for the perfect punchline! Cheers!

[@zelevenz1186]

Can you do a video on the polling and elections in Belgium at the moment? Definitely regarding the complex division of my country and in light of next years election, it'd be interesting to hear your thoughts on possible outcomes!

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

Who will be the voice of reason in a sea of extremism? And most importantly, will we ever reach a consensus on whether pineapple belongs on pizza?

[@earlycuyler9760]

As an American expat living in Europe- the answer is yeah. There is a noticeable shift in the attitudes of not just governments but also the people themselves.

[@henrikthorsen5971]

Not many parties fit neatly into the left/right analytics.

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

And let's not overlook the impact of mainstream politicians pandering to these extremes. It's like a desperate bid for attention, where they'll say and do anything to stay relevant, even if it means cozying up to the nutcases and their radical ideas. It's like watching a bizarre reality show where politicians compete for the title of most outrageous statement of the week.

[@Kwippy]

The common theme running through the rise in popularity of "right wing" parties is the immigration problem. For many people, immigration is a problem that is getting worse all the time, and they don't see that the established parties are offering any kind of credible solution. Although it can be shown that immigration can bring benefits, it is a tough sell and even committed liberals have to agree that there need to be better control of immigration.

[@tiglishnobody8750]

So what solution for refugees who have nowhere to go but to stay in country and probably starved or killed by whatever that treat them in their unstable or unsafe country

[@Randombloke00]

There is no need to go far right for it these far right parties advocate for the discrimination against immigrants who have lived in Europe for years and have assimilated the problem is criminals not people if you put border checks then you can stop terrorists from sneaking in with the moderate muslim asylum seekers

[@methatis3013]

​​@@Besthinktwicethe opposite. People who migrate illegally will oftenly rely on social programs without actually contributing to the economy. Those who do come legally, they are the ones that strengthen the economy. Especially when you take into consideration that, even when illegal immigrants do work, they work under illegal business (such as working without a permit and similar). That is extremely unhealthy for the economy

[@Earth.Crafts.World.Seven.6]

Italy started in Western Europe and now Sweden .... it is coming!

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

But let's not forget the role of social media in all of this. It's like a breeding ground for nutcases, where every keyboard warrior and armchair politician has a platform to spread their views, no matter how outlandish or uninformed they may be. It's like a digital madhouse, where facts are optional, and logic is a rare commodity.

[@mrnm6482]

This is good news!!! We should be celebrating

[@mikel9138]

Surprised you didn't cover Greece, they have 4 far right parties gaining seats in the parliament.

[@takeoischi4156]

What counts as far right these days?

[@knightshade2654]

I am very ignorant of Greek politics beyond the fact that the center-right party performed very well in the last election. I checked Wikipedia, and the three parties that are labeled as far-right have fewer seats combined thank Pasok.

[@LucasFernandez-fk8se]

@@takeoischi4156everything left of AOC counts as far right these days

[@googane7755]

​​@@takeoischi4156Basically policies like being anti immigration, anti LGBTQ, anti vax, islamophobia, EU skeptic, denying climate change, pro russia, etc can be considered far right. They all seem to have similar policies when it comes to social issues. Economic policy however tend to vary from party to party.

[@takeoischi4156]

@@googane7755 those aren't far right policies. Try again

[@zanebignell3625]

I feel that the left right spectrum is useful to get a quick and basic understanding of a person’s ideal’s but beyond that is becomes a detrimental title that will only drive people away.

[@dillonblair6491]

Your feelings are wrong

[@zanebignell3625]

@@dillonblair6491 because it’s useless or because it’s not detrimental?

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

I mean, have you seen the rise of right-wing movements across Europe? It's like a political renaissance, but instead of embracing progress and unity, it's like a step back in time to when wearing double denim was considered fashionable. It's like a never-ending game of political tug-of-war, with each side pulling harder and harder, and the center line becoming more blurred than a painting left out in the rain.

[@MartieD]

The Sweden Democrats won around 20.9% of the seats, not 25%, and they are not in government, but they work very closely with the government and they have common goals set out in a document (Tidöavtalet) that the government have pledged to work towards with them.

[@MartieD]

@@Besthinktwice No, they can have opposing viewa on issues not covered by the agreement.

[@karankapoor2701]

​@@MartieDthen whyy aren't they containing the crime rise

[@MartieD]

@@karankapoor2701 What's thst go to do with my post?

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

So, are Europeans really becoming more right-wing, or are we just surrounded by a bunch of nutcases? It's a question that keeps us scratching our heads, like trying to solve a Rubik's cube without the instructions. But one thing's for sure - politics will always be a source of amusement, confusion, and a lot of head-shaking moments. And if you ever need a laugh to make sense of it all, just remember - I'm here with jokes, observations, and a sprinkle of nutcase-inspired humor. Here's to politics, social media, and the never-ending quest for the perfect punchline! Cheers!

[@CodeCompani]

As a a person that is very moderate in her political views… Cultural threat from Muslims is indeed a huge problem. When a person migrates to a new country he’s/she’s the one that should adjust to the culture of the country not the other way around.

[@whoviansonskaro17]

Then I'm sorry to tell you you do not have moderate views, but uninformed views

[@J.DeGroot]

​@@whoviansonskaro17She's right tho?

[@baraenbojassen6611]

@@whoviansonskaro17 anything else is preposterous. Clearly, if you move countries you should learn the language, the culture and the social norms there. It's common decency and respect. Wouldn't you do the same in an arab country?

[@fredmercury1314]

@@whoviansonskaro17 Uninformed? LOL

[@byteflowr912]

2:52 "Friedrich Merz", not "Fredrick Mars". Also he later withdrew that statement, but it still stands as he would of course not have done so if there wouldn't have been such a backclash.

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

Ah, the age-old debate - are Europeans really becoming more right-wing, or are we just surrounded by a bunch of nutcases? It's like trying to figure out why people willingly wear socks with sandals - a fashion crime that should be punishable by law.

[@Lord-Pierre]

To be fair in Europe the most accurate way of doing a right- left scale is with immigration. The further your are to the right, the more anti immigration you are, and visa versa. All other political positions are more random. You can have right wing parties that are further to the left then some center left parties on economics At least that’s how it is in France but I have the impression it’s spread elsewhere

[@antonk.2748]

Can we not forget that Hitlers Nazi party was called the National Socialist German Workers Party? Just because you have "social" in the name or oppose capitalism ( as the Nazis did) doesnt mean you are not right wing. Indeed the nazis championed a lot of social welfare programs, government work programs and so on, just only for people that fit the racial and ethnic profile. Assuming that right wing and fascist movements have to be pro capitalism is foolish.

[@nenasiek]

Would agree with this, it describes swedish politics, although theres also some pushback on drag and other things. They dont go after parental right of same sex couples as italy has done tho.

[@Lord-Pierre]

@@nenasiek Yeah it’s even further than that in France, it’s common knowledge that half of lepen party cadres are practically openly gay and she has been very quiet on social issues, to the point that she is in reality more progressive on social issues than the theoretically more moderate conservative

[@ledkicker2392]

So Poland must be super left because of tremendous number of refugees and immigrants they've accepted?

[@Jonas_M_M]

It's optics, mostly, i.e.: culture wars.

[@thomasmerlin4990]

None of these growing parties can claim victory, it's easy to gain support when you're in opposition and you can afford to criticize whoever you want and how you want, when you come to power everything changes because genstire is a nation it's one of the most complex things that exists, As long as the head of government makes a wrong statement and the markets no longer trust his nation's economy, we saw it with Liz Truss in the United Kingdom.

[@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022]

I mean, just the UK's politics since the Tories have been in power for a decade is a clear example of this (even wider than Truss). Starmer from Labour is doing fuck all and gathering poll numbers that equate to one of the biggest election swings in UK history because the ruling party has been in power for so long and can't blame anyone else but themselves.

[@alice1374]

Center-left labour?! That's aged well

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

But let's talk about these so-called nutcases. It's like a political sideshow, where the loudest voices often drown out reason and compassion faster than you can say "alternative facts." It's like watching a parade of heartless policies and divisive rhetoric that make you question if some politicians have ever heard of empathy, or if it's just as mythical to them as a unicorn riding an owl.

[@shishkashahid5293]

Sorry, but this video doesn't say anything new compared to the last one on the same topic.

[@NoVisionGuy]

they keep milking the same content as always

[@bigsmoke9486]

On the heath, there blooms a little flower...

[@supernenechi]

I think we can partly thank Brexit for teaching us all the hard way that leaving the EU is in fact a bad idea lol

[@Devilishlybenevolent]

Problem is humans can still be easily tricked.. "We need to get rid of our EU masters! They are left/right/globalist that want to control us! We need to leave so we the people can control our own destiny! Our studies have suggested we'd save 500 trillion billion dollars if we leave and we would use it for our own citizens! Basically what happened in the UK. Would be extremely easy for China/Russia/US to influence an exit. All those countries mentioned would love a weakened EU. The only people who lose in the EU exits are EU countries.

[@hakunamatata1880]

Unfortunately, seems like Brexit has taught the right in Europe how to make more effective election campaigns.

[@duartefh88]

Imagine having more decision power and liberty as a bad thing

[@supernenechi]

@@duartefh88 Lol, imagine leaving the biggest free market in the world and all the good things that come with it. Good luck without support from the rest of us

[@Joker-yw9hl]

​@supernenechi what support?

[@pietertjevanwilms]

You really should make a video about what might be the future of 'anti establishment'

[@lucaskohl1037]

März or Mars (If you go with Tldr's prononciation) has rolled back on his proposal to work together with the Afd at a local local after having gotten critizized from his own party plentyfold. Perhabs he was probing the waters to find out if it still was as taboo as one thought

[@ak_7973]

And he already did the damage!

[@antonk.2748]

He is testing the taboo and normalizing the prospect of including the AfD in government. We will probably first see it in some local parliaments, then on state level, maybe in Saxony, Thuringia or Bavaria and then on federal level.

[@robertalenrichter]

Merz.

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

I mean, have you seen all these right-wing movements gaining momentum across Europe? It's like a political rollercoaster, with twists, turns, and enough drama to rival a reality TV show. It's like watching a game of political whack-a-mole, where every time you think you've squashed one movement, another one pops up, spouting off wild conspiracy theories and promises that sound too good to be true.

[@remipoujoulat7759]

Of course ! With the current politicians what ELSE did you expect?🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

[@GwainSagaFanChannel]

I do not have high hopes for the future politicians either it wont be easy to solve everything and it will take a lot of time it should not be rushed

[@sakkra93]

The problem we have is that too many *aren't!*

[@MrHominid2U]

I fear they are, in large part due to their leaders not listening to the majority of their citizenry who want these constant migrations from the Middle East and Africa to stop.

[@sifu64]

Ha "fear they are" after listing the disaster of far leftists policies

[@Muse22sims]

It's sad cus it's just about racism. :/

[@ReeceDK]

"Majority". Sure.

[@LeftWingNationalist]

​@@Muse22simsnot everyone wants their country to be a multicultural society. Look at Japan. It's almost an ethno state. I'm personally cool with a multi culturally society but I dont think a person is a bad person for wanting to retain a society that doesn't mix cultures.

[@melingdiab6613]

​@@LeftWingNationalist I'm guessing you think they'll "replace us" as well

[@TheAlderFalder]

Not quickly enough!!!

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

Are Europeans just adopting a new dance move called the "right-wing shuffle"?

[@noveltyrobot]

You should put the names of the parties on the charts. Makes it easier to read.

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

It's like a virtual battleground out there, with memes, fake news, and keyboard warriors ready to pounce on anyone who dares to disagree. It's like a digital circus, with politicians performing acrobatics to grab our attention

[@r0b0coffee]

I feel that the terms far-left and far-right are coined by both the centre-left and centre-right blocs of the political spectrum. Everybody realises some form of reform and change is necessary, but the status quo wants to maintain stability for economic gain, unwilling to let any significant reform occur, unless it is reform that uphold the economic dominance of major economic entities. These terms of far-right and far-left are then exaggerated as dangerous (the centre-left will raise alarm about the far-right, and the centre-right will raise alarm about the far-left) to maintain their power.

[@bazookaman1353]

ABSOLUTELY AGREE. It feels like the "center" left/right just wanna strawman eachother and that the "far" left/right get along well. I've had post/alt/far right/left friends and they're nothing like the stereotypes and get along well.

[@lexter8379]

The far left wants to dismantle the economics dominance of major economic entities, the far right wants to bolster it and make it work for their in group. Its the twenty century politics again, just with modern setting.

[@saturationstation1446]

i love how literally monarchies can think of themselves as anything less than dictatorships lmao. no one actually WANTS a bunch of useless snobs to claim ownership to their lives and any potential value they may generate.

[@zlmaa_]

The Law and Justice party is not talking negatively about migration in general but specifically about the illegal migration happening very frequently here. They always say they have no problem accepting migrants but only the ones that have been checked through and are proven to not be a potential threat.

[@Lsr000]

This is how it's supposed to be. Don't sleep, now is the time to take action. We have to protect our countries and our cultures.

[@antke1472]

Not to worry, everything is going just right

[@supernukey419]

Dang it, take my like

[@markwawrzyniak109]

Title should be is Europe becoming NORMAL?

[@JayForsure]

One thing that I'm confused about is why doesn't EU countries like Poland try to recruit people from Latin America if they need cheap labor or even well educated people instead of recruiting from muslim/african nations? Latin America as a whole continent are 92% catholic, and countries like Argentina are 90% European. Venezuela 70% European, Uruguay 95% European and the list goes on and on. Why do they ignore LATM? When those people would easily fit into any European country easily.

[@thorstenschmidt21]

A Polish friend told me once that they want a white population. That's why they welcomed Ukrainian refugees and pushed back African students back to Ukraine where they were studying.

[@firion666]

As a Pole I wish I knew :/ AFAIK it's really easy to migrate to Poland (you just have to go to Polish Embassy and get a worker visa), so it's rather the muslims know about it and use it to their advantage. I think being in LATAM doesn't exclude you from this possibility.

[@jasonhaven7170]

@@thorstenschmidt21 Poland is racist.

[@jasonhaven7170]

You realise many of these "Europeans" are actually Black.

[@IndustrialMilitia]

You are absolutely correct! If Europe needs people, they should be looking towards their former colonies, especially Latin America.

[@rowanwild8445]

It feels like that I've seen that TLDR title once a month fr

[@deBosMarmot]

Good video!

[@liv-turner]

When central parties refuge to deal with the immigration problem this is what happen.

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

Grog and parrots, me hearties! Them European folk be swayin' like the mast in a stormy night. Nutty right-wingers, heartless like sharks, and wise owls watchin' from their lofty perches. But we pirates be more concerned with buried treasure and the compass that guides us. Yo-ho-ho!

[@issyeboi2060]

thank god..

[@emil_rainbow]

The UK Labour Party is far from "centre left". Better described as conservative light.

[@AryanAncap1087]

I’d move to the UK if they were as right wing as you say they are

[@emil_rainbow]

@@AryanAncap1087 Britain is an inherently conservative nation, always has been. Even the "progressive" left. It clings to ideology as an article of faith, hence the widespread nostalgia for the crappy 1970s, the reverence for The Soviet Union and the silence on Stalin’s tyranny.

[@AryanAncap1087]

@@emil_rainbow I’d hardly call a nation that lets itself be flooded by third world migrants and arrests people over mean tweets “conservative”

[@mentesIV]

"Becoming", DUDE, YOU ALL ARE RIGHT-WING!!!

[@fateenshareef8716]

It's a remarkable time. Right wing on social issues, left on economic, far right on foreign policy and Euroskeptic in opposition and euro reformist in power. Sums up the parties you described.

[@AUniqueHandleName444]

nazbol gang

[@fb150185]

To me, just a regular dude, feels like it's more of anti establishment. Something we also just saw in Argentina. We're all fed up with traditional parties that never get anything done. That desperation results in voting whatever is not them. Foe better or worse.

[@wpjohn91]

You pose it like it is wrong to be right wing.

[@pierce9019]

Here we go again boys

[@VolrinSeth]

About the only funny thing about the Polish PiS party is that 'pis' means urine in Dutch.

[@MijmerMopper]

I have noticed that over the past 2 decades politicial positions that would have been marginal to the point of existing only as a parody of themselves have become very mainstream here in the Netherlands.

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

Arr matey! Them landlubbers be talkin' about changin' tides and roamin' swashbucklers, aye. But we pirates be sailin' the high seas, plunderin' treasure and drinkin' rum 'til dawn breaks. Arrrr!

[@karelkieslich6772]

I think it’s important to stress two aspects: 1) The ideology really doesn’t seem to be so important. In countries with proportional election systems, many of these parties come and go quite quickly; the voters quickly shift between different parties, new ones arise often and they have markedly different policies. In countries with more majority systems (like the UK or France), the parties are more stable but their policies change a lot. You discuss this, but it makes me think it’s less about specific political direction and more about some anti-system populism. Very likely not helped by the rise of social media, which have become a dominant political influence. 2) Many of these anti-system, anti-European parties are backed by Russia (and other enemies of Europe). What they have in common isn’t so much right-wing ideology but anti-Europeanness. Nationalistic right-wing is of course a preferable choice because nothing helps Russia and enemies of Europe in making Europe weaker than nationalism and breaking of European economic and political integration. But they would be quite happy with left-wing parties if these were against European integration. Russia not only supports (or supported) these parties financially, it also uses vast resources to influence people on social media that Europe is collapsing, decadent, and that the establishment is failing them and that they should go for an anti-establishment and anti European party. But it also just fuels atmosphere of low trust and gloom, which again naturally favours anti-establishment, populist parties. This propaganda is effective because it is based on truth partly, as good propaganda is, but it inflates the problems and destroys the ability to work together towards the solution. I wish you all paid more attention to Eastern/Central Europe because you could have seem this happening there already 10 years ago when you still had a better chance to prevent it in Western Europe. But even though Western Europe doesn’t like to see this, things that change Europe (often for worse) often happen first in Eastern Europe. Militaristic nation state was invented in Serbia in the late 19th century, then copied by the rest of the Balkans and then the rest of Europe, which it then destroyed. Similarly, the post-modern propaganda destroying trust in society, leading way to populism and death of democracy, offering only illusions of the great past but no vision of the future, was invented and perfected in Russia in the beginning of the 20th century, successfuly exported to Hungary and semi-successfuly in other EE states, and now it’s threatening the rest of Europe. There are many other examples. But I think it’s peculiar that many European countries face exactly the same problem but they explain it with their own local idiosyncratic causes, while ignoring that the problem is exactly what Europe’s enemies dream of and often support to happen. Europe should work together to address its problems as they are shared, and think strategically and globally in solving them.

[@Cqmper_]

Well Europeans are becoming more right-wing on social issues like migration, woke and security and more left-wing on economics. and yes also in anti-establishmentism. So its a mix.

[@hohetannen4703]

Europeans are not Europeans. Europeans are Celts, Germans, Latins and Slavs. We don’t want to be replaced in homelands older than those of the Native Americans, who themselves are native going back 15-20,000 years. Our roots go back 50-100,000 years.

[@alonbinyamin]

You can't call everyone who wants to limit migration a racist and not expect some sort of backlash.

[@RP-16]

Not racist just stupid. The top class loves that you believe immigration is the problem.

[@onlineonlineaccount2368]

@alonbinyamin...Your comment don't make sense because alot migration come from within Europe/EU so ? How can you be racist when masses of Ukrainian migrants or Polish or Romanians are comming in ? When they belong to same so called ''race'' ? When you say limit immigration and being called a ''racist'' is when you want to limit non-European immigration of people who are not classified as ''European/Hwhite'' right ?

[@onlineonlineaccount2368]

@Tovalokodonc You need to read, i wrote also Europe/EU so within and outside of the EU. Despite the freedom of movement populist parties stll critisize immigration from other EU countries. The UK, Netherlands, Belgium, Germany are examples of this. Sir are you even aware there are European nations who are islamic ( Albania, Bosnia, Macedonia ) They are very European aswell. So Islam is not related with so called ''Third world countries''. So is a Albanian or Bosnian a thrird world immigrant ?

[@onlineonlineaccount2368]

@Tovalokodonc With that i agree, many Levantines from the so called ''Middle East'' Western Asia could pass for Southern Europeans. Yes there culture are different but if they intergrate and even assimilate they are no reall difference to be noted within 2 generations.

[@vacri54]

Hard right wing parties moderating their message to become moderate right wing and attracting more voters isn't "not right wing". It's just "not *hard* right wing". The Overton Window shifts rightwards.

[@mobilusinmobili8321]

Incorrect

[@cgt3704]

In romania, the Far Right AUR party is becoming very popular very fast (they even became the second most prefered party in the recent polls). The reason isnt so much because of imigration or cost of living, but because the mainstream parties have lost popularity due to corruption scandals from both PSD and PNL. And this caused a sharp decrease in support for the goverment. There is also the fact that both PSD and PNL policies are seen as more pragmatic rather than ideological, which for some is considered a lack of variety. This is why populism has been popular for soms time. And im very pissed you forgot Romania and other countries. Europe isnt just the Western coumtries, you know.

[@queenbean7071]

It annoys me how leftist populism movements don't take uo action as swiftly as right wing ones. Like I'm a leftist myself, but whenever I talk to people about us needing to be more active in getting people on our side - aa that's how populism works they moan about how nobody will ever agree with us because the USSR was bad Like firstly we don't even disagree there and secondly if the right wing populist can get people to be proud to be NAZIS then why do they act like it's such a barrier? I fear the biggest issue is the left are trying to go by the rules whilst the right are playing with a weighted die. Honour doesn't win a rigged game

[@davidstrelec2000]

@@queenbean7071 Why do right wingers hate the Soviet Union like 10x more than they hate the Nazis? I always found it weird

[@NoidoDev]

I hope they are smart enough to push for the use of expatriate workers (guest workers) instead of immigrants from outside of Europe. There seems to be a worker shortage, but there are so many people who would be glad to work there, so don't give them a passport.

[@jackwalsh4347]

I would agree it's more to do with anti-establishment than becoming "more" right-wing, this is especially the case in Ireland with Sinn Fein as an anti-establishment party as a lot of Irish people are sick of same old status quo Fianna Fáil & Fine Gael since the foundation of the Irish State. People want change even if they don't agree with Sinn Fein policies especially economic ones. As it become harder and harder for young Irish people to live in Ireland, Sinn Fein becomes the alternative.

[@PoisonelleMisty4311]

And let's not forget the role of social media in all of this. It's like a digital forest where misinformation spreads faster than a viral meme of a cat playing the piano. It's like a digital jungle where trolls lurk in the shadows, ready to pounce on any unsuspecting comment with the ferocity of an owl hunting its prey at night. Who needs reality TV when you have Twitter feuds and Facebook arguments to keep you entertained?

[@AerrowW]

I really wish eu as a whole would fix housing issue

[@tejeswar]

If you’re not right you’re wrong.

[@dnocturn84]

Politicians in most European countries follow the sick idea to generate growth, in multiple areas. Like a stubborn and uninspired economy student. This starts with population growth though migration. Some crazy people told them, that this solves all of their issues in the future. Growth, growth growth. That's the simple doctrine that will make as all happy. They make us more powerful, they pay for pensions, they increase tax money, they work for little money, they even increase economical demand. And of course, it magically solves the issue of our negative population growth rates. But they forgot the problems that come with it and ignored to solve some already existing issues (like a lack of affordable housing), that you need to fix first.

[@TheFattestLInHistory]

yup, very true

[@antonk.2748]

Its not the immigrants fault that OUR governments didnt build enough houses in the last 40 years and OUR governments have essentially gutted the welfare system to the state it is in now and OUR governments has followed a policy of economic redistribution (from bottom to top). We (and our parents) have allowed our governments to enrich a small portion of the population off the work of the majority. Fighting immigrants and immigration on a platform of "there isnt enough money for us so why should we help foreigners" is like fighting the dog over the table scraps. There is plenty of money around, its just not in your or mine or the immigrants pocket and the whole anti immigration populism from the right is merely a ruse to distract the ordinary people from whos really benefiting off the system. Divide and rule! Or do you really think Trump or Le Pen or the AfD or Meloni are actually interested in social justice and redistribution of power and wealth? Fascism has always been the willing henchmen of capitalism and if all that is too complicated lets try a joke: Trump, one of his supporters and a immigrant go to a BBQ, there are 100 sausages on the grill, Trump takes 99 and tells his supporter: "Beware, that dirty immigrant wants to steal your sausage".

[@dnocturn84]

@@antonk.2748 I never said it's the immigrants fault. Otherwise fully agree with your essay. But it's also a fact for me, that our welfare systems simply attract illegal migration. This should be turned off and legal ways for migration (like at our embassies for example) should be created, for people with special skills in desperate (and honest) need. And it is just straight up sick, because these people are secretly our breeding machines and our pool for minimum wage workers. That's not what they are and this is unfair and wrong! And all of this put nicely under the cover of humanitarian aid. This is modern slavery, nothing more.

[@antonk.2748]

Its neo colonialism. Instead of governing Africa and Asia ourselves like in the good old days we have put corrupt regimes in place that will sell out their country (to us) for almost nothing with the added benefit that we dont have to take care of the local population like giving them jobs or healthcare. The reason our welfare system is so attractive to immigrants is because there is no alternative except staying at home, being poor and probably dying before you hit 50. The "legal migration routes" as the conservatives like to call them are a pipe dream. Sure people can apply at a foreign embassy but have you ever applied for a favour at a foreign embassy? It takes months for them to decide on your application, and for every 20 applicants maybe one gets the golden ticket. And its not like the other 19 had really less of a need to apply. And what do you do if you have been rejected? Accept your fait and move back to your war torn village? Hardly. As long as African countries are the opportunity less hellholes they are (and we are doing our best to keep it that way) people are going to try and come to Europe. There are only 2 realistic means to prevent migration from Africa I) Build a wall around Europe and build concentration camps in north African countries so they dont even reach the Mediterranean (like we are doing right now) or make Africa a better place to live in by exploiting it less and doing some actual economic development there. @@dnocturn84

[@joshuaradick5679]

I think that the immigration issue gets boiled down to "conservatives want to stop immigration because racism." When the reality is far more nuanced.

[@jurgnobs1308]

if you listen to the arguments they bring, no it isn't mroe nuanced than that. their official arguments are essentially purely racist and anti-human rights. sure, there are members of rightost parties who bring other arguments. but the official arguments by the spokes people are purely based on racism.

[@erf2324]

@@jurgnobs1308 ok, buddy. You can always live in left-wing EU countries. Just stay away from Italy, Greece, Finland, Sweden, Poland, Hungary, Austria and other Balkan countries that might be hostile towards illegal immigration, if they are so racist.

[@jurgnobs1308]

@@erf2324 sorry, did the facts offend you?

[@nassimabenmansourn6248]

The issue is complicated but all parties seem to take sides on it to get the racist or anti racist votes

[@Alim-od2uz]

​@@nassimabenmansourn6248 depends on what you call "racist". Culture and values are not "race" and yes, letting in large numbers of unvetted immigrants with unfitting cultures can very much hurt a society. (was born into muslim family myself, btw)

[@justahomosapiens1861]

Yeah, the "alternative" in Spain is the socialists getting into a coalition not only with the extreme left (Sumar, Podemos) but also with ETA's political arm (EH Bildu), Catalan separatists (mix of left and right wing) and Basque nationalists (PNV, right wing party).

[@joaquin.5692]

To be fair: that’s not the problem with Spain itself, it’s the policies they will keep setting. And Blue-PSOE would do exactly the same policies. The only hope would be if the EU finally get serious about finance and takes control , but some corrupt german lady that was sent to Brussels to get their scandals away from Merkel seems to be in love with Handsome Pedro and giving him anything he wants and more. The whole EU will face the consequences later, and that crisis will be worse for the EU than Ukraine’s war (which it is still a human drama and something unaceptable)

[@Cubus-zapasowy]

There are no Catalan right wing parties from what I know.

[@joaquin.5692]

@@Cubus-zapasowy JxCat (Puigdemont)

[@Cubus-zapasowy]

@@joaquin.5692 Ok. In what way they are right wing. From what I see they are liberal.

[@justahomosapiens1861]

@@Cubus-zapasowy Try looking into Junts per Catalunya's history: its background, who's behind it. This is Carles Puigdemont's party.

[@Eastlight3D]

I think the EU is a big issue for a lot of ppl because they get no real insight on what’s actually going on there. Here in the Netherlands the ministers talk a lot about how the EU forces them to do things or the EU will not allow things. But as a “stupid civilian” you don’t really get full insight. In my opinion its not a miracle ppl want to shift away from the EU. A very big issue i often hear about is that the EU is not democratic and not transparent. I think if they reform the EU it might become clearer to the people. I personally think the EU is trying to be like the USA.

[@EroUsagiSama]

It is evident to anyone who has listened to the overwhelming support of Europeans for the war in Ukraine.

[@dildino6199]

Fun fact about Sweden and SD: SD is not a part of the regime in Sweden to be clear, the right parties had made a promise to the voters that this would not happen. SD is historically linked to the neo natzis, as well as the party leader being an active member of the party when they were semi natzis. The right has to be listen to SD tho because the right has lost a lot of voters to SD, and SD could easily take away there support to the right if they dont enforce there policys.

[@hannesrame8413]

What are the nazi policies SD are trying to enforce?