Are free speech and political correctness misunderstood? - Nesrine Malik

[@thomasthomasphilp4393]

I am an Indian living in Germany. In both democracies, I find cancel culture by the left wing. You are not allowed to speak about issues for example, Islamism in India and problem of muslim migration in Germany

[@SenorSol]

Why are you living in Germany? What's so bad about India that you had to move? I think we both know the answers.

[@iainrae6159]

It's not all about you love. Playing the poor Muslim, black ,female victim cards must be exhausting.

[@stefanofalcini9486]

"Free speech - the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint". Let's bear that in mind @20:25 "I am not saying the editor should of said to Boris 'don't say that'" One minute earlier.... @19:40 "Lets see how free speech affects people , then think about 'should that be regulated? Is that something that needs to be punished" Ladies and gentlemen .. I give you the left where freedom of speech is not under attack whatsoever .. its a myth to say otherwise ! But it must be regulated and possibly punished. That isn't free speech , by it's very definition, because the power is then taken away from the speaker and given to whoever is deeming it worthy of repercussion. Isn't it a bit like saying "The Russians had freedom of speech under Stalin it was a myth to say they didn't .. unless they said anything against the regime where they would simple face repercussions." This C4 Reporter isn't even challenging her either which just demonstrates the lefty bias in the media.

[@Ytremz]

At 19:40 she was talking about hate speech. Convenient that you clipped the timestamp just after she mentioned that. There's a distinct difference between the two forms. Namely, hate speech limits the ability of others to express their own freedom of speech, through intimidation and incitement of violence. That is what should be regulated.

[@stefanofalcini9486]

@@Ytremz No I was truthful in what I said and it is still consistent with what your response. Ok let's use your example. Define hate speech. If I call someone silly , is that hate speech? If someone says that a transgender woman is not a biological women, is that hate speech? See the problem there is as I mentioned , power is given to the person dictating what hate speech is. Incitement to violence is something we can measure and all agree is wrong - specifically calling for violence against other individuals. Hate speech is subjective and can spiral out of control to the point where anything someone deems offensive can be banned , which we can see happening today. Hence the attack on freedom of speech.

[@Ytremz]

@@stefanofalcini9486 Calling transgender women biological men is not hate speech... it's fact. However, stating or insinuating that transgendered people are somehow inhuman, inferior or dangerous is hate speech, because this can both intimidate and threaten trans people. I'm not seeing the ambiguity of defining hate speech in this case.

[@stefanofalcini9486]

@@Ytremz According to you it isn't. According to this group it is: www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-45650462. That is the ambiguity I am talking about because making someone feel unsafe or inferior is subjective. If I called you silly , you might laugh or you could feel insecure and inhuman and demand I be banned from saying it. Who then decides to silence me ? That's the dangerous part for me as hate speech is then hard to define. It may be fine for one person but completly offensive for another. It sounds nice what you are saying but it is compelty not practical.

[@Ytremz]

@@stefanofalcini9486 Stefano Falcini I think what you are exemplifying here is the ambiguity of context, which is a valid point. Objectively, the poster is not hate speech, because the definition of the word 'woman' is neutral. However, the article mentions that the advert was "accused of being part of a transphobic campaign", which can make that neutral definition a component of hate speech.

[@possiblepilotdeviation5791]

Free speech is absolute. It's all or nothing.

[@universalcomputation6779]

Including defamation, threats, the disclosure of trade secrets?

[@rattlesnakehawkweed1876]

Really? "Here's the evil "others" responsible for your bad life, here's where there kids go to school and here's how to build a bomb".

[@richcory7945]

An amazing lack of self-awareness from this Guardian journalist, though I don't think Krishnan looked very convinced at times. She's already going for the monarchy before the Queen is even buried. Not sure this will end well.

[@allardfreichmann3733]

So work together and fight corruption.

[@Supermariocrosser]

PC has many types, And some are violating freedom of speech. Having an opinion against sexism to someone saying sexist things or display isnt bad. But its PC When the goverment or law forbids you to say sexist things or display is clearly a violation of freedom of speech. Its Also PC But what When organizations , instiutions OR workplaces, website policies like youtube say you cant say sexist things or display. ? Also PC but here its gets more complicated when it Comes to freedom of speech.

[@growlingleapard7868]

" a stab at it " poor choice of words

[@hus390]

The amount of bullsh!t is unbelievable. She bashes and demand changes, yet she says that people who are sounding the alarms as peddling myths.

[@josephwright652]

The jazz hands clapping replacing phenomena isn’t untrue - it was happening at the NUS LGBTQ 2015 conference. I was there.

[@ccm9169]

Can you give more context? Was that done in relation to that story in the media?

[@josephwright652]

C Men I’m not sure if the policy at that particular conference was reported or not. What surprised me about this interview is that she seems to be inferring that this general phenomena never happened and was a right wing media fabrication. I hope this answers your question? Best wishes

[@Smarterthanyew]

You being 'there' for instances of clap replacement does not make it a phenomenon.

[@josephwright652]

​@@Smarterthanyew Perhaps. I think witnessing the act in person though at least indicates that it isn't just a completely baseless concern. Basically, it's not fake news.

[@dannycr9066]

I can’t wait to not buy her book

[@user-eb3si]

What are you doing to support those other countries you have lived in ? Are they more progressive and liberated than the UK ?

[@onlygazza]

Free speech is for everyone not for the privileged sections of societies or the few races that are picked, the ability to offend others who offend you, or argue back against someone who attacks you without the fear of imprisonment is fundamental to free speech. If you cannot argue your case and win against the opinion you hate, you may well be wrong 🤔

[@Ytremz]

What if I decided that my way of winning an argument was to call the police, and to use my freedom of speech to suggest you are a terrorist. Within the hour, your house is raided by armed police unit, chaos ensues etc. Clearly, we must draw a line in terms what constitutes free speech, and the repercussions of crossing those lines.

[@onlygazza]

Ytremz do what you like because you will end up in the police station for wasting police time cos I’ve said nothing wrong, threatening another person in your comments on a video seems to prove my original point, those who cannot debate others opinions, then instead decide to remove the other person from the conversation instead may well be wrong 🤔

[@JoshabiYT]

@@onlygazza Im sure the above commentor posed that as purely hypothetical and not in anyway an actual threat, however i do side with your original comment.

[@yinoveryang4246]

@@Ytremz that’s not a “way of winning an argument”. That’s deliberate act of sabotage on someone life. Similar to conspiring to misinform in order to try and cause someone to lose their job.

[@sarahharris2729]

. A point she made on women hiring in education. She does not understand that women teachers teach because they like teaching. They are not in upper management because they are taken away from their vocation. Men that go into education management usually did not start out in teaching and work their way up. They do a management course not a teaching one and a major study at one university said that there was a lack of female applicants for internal hiring to senior roles because women were not interested. I'm a teacher and I can tell you the principal does nothing all day and it is a very different, uninteresting unfulfilling job. Germaine Greer beautifully documented this phenomena in one of her enlightened discourses.....who Channel 4 needs to invite back on as she's been victim to political correctness, free speech imposition and de-platforming.

[@Ytremz]

My sister is a teacher. I may not agree with some of your points, but I appreciate the work that you are doing in preparing the next generation for the future.

[@robinhampshire8923]

24 minutes in, "we don't care very much about.." The matter of 'care' seems to be at the heart of many societal ills. When time is the main issue, then care often takes a back seat.

[@beamservices5283]

This woman is simply the best!! Her Guardian columns are my 'go to' reads and her book should be recommended reading for all.

[@kowalski-turniton6704]

toilet paper shortages are sorted.

[@tylermcnamara8794]

@Jo Sm Stalin would be proud. Can't be having mean people getting in the way of our Great Society right?

[@chongisTiberius]

Immigrated from Saudi Arabia for being too patriarchal... London is not feminist enough. Is enough ever enough?

[@davidpar2]

The reason I will never go along with or accept political correctness has zero to do with a “desire to be rude.” That’s just the excuse that proponents of political correctness use to try to justify it. My refusal to accept it is because even if I happen to agree with the decisions the so-called, self-appointed “arbiters” of p.c. have made over what does and doesn’t count as “offensive” or “rude” or “hate” or blah blah blah, those decisions will not be made for me. I will make them for myself. I will never accept being told how to think, speak, or feel, period.

[@uraharasshop3547]

I’m definitely buying that book

[@jasondevon481]

In our country we should be allowed to say absolutely anything as long as it does not incite violence. If you don't like what someone is saying, don't listen to them! Our society is built upon freedom of speech and everything is reliant upon it. Say anything you want, absolutely anything because it should be your right to do so.

[@retroremo]

"in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance."

[@thomyoutube3478]

@@retroremo Doublegood fellow proletuber.

[@jbo4547]

But i thought it was cool to try and ruin your life, get you fired from your job, and ostracised from society for speaking out.......

[@TurbulentShrew]

Claiming that racist opinions (as defined by whoever is quickest to interpret the innocuous as bigotry) are not weighed equally to the death toll of terrorist attacks seems ridiculous... any takers?

[@yinoveryang4246]

Of course that’s true. For such different level crimes to carry the same weight, it takes someone with the emotional maturity of let’s a six year old. Her toys (and God knows what else) thrown very far out of the pram.

[@bwbs98]

>35:48 claims that we need to be less partisan and tribal >spends 40 minutes defending liberal shibboleths and criticising whites/men/etc

[@hamza1947]

Nesrine is a delight to listen to. Look forward to reading her book...

[@robinhampshire8923]

is it sexist to say that as well as being a delight to listen to, she is also totally drop dead gorgeous...

[@Iveraghboy]

Glad to see this discussion, been a bit depressed lately so needed a good laugh, thankyou Nesrine.

[@nicdunlop6897]

Wonder how the treatment of Assange fits in with her debunking of the idea that freedom of speech is under attack.

[@grayarcana]

For all the oppression she finds here, Nesrine has probably deployed herself in the theatre of struggle where she can be most effective. She is right about what Maynard Keynes called the Governing classes in England. Governing classes can endure for generations, with a high degree of family line continuity, and in England the Political classes in Politics, the Legislature, Law and the Media are a culturally close community. On the other hand, a new Governing class can emerge quickly, after a revolution, or after a genocidal invasion or invasions, such as suffered by Poland in the 20th Century. However, such a Governing class can culturally transform quite rapidly, as happened in England in the mid-Twentieth Century. There was some changing of the guard, my Lord Dacre withdrawing to the Shires with all his gallant train, to be replaced by personnel from the Universities. The ethics and ideals of the contemporary Governing classes are at a radical departure from that obtaining in 1939: the last ‘Social season’. The underlying, more fundamental question is whether Social Justice of necessity must be achieved Globally, or whether it is possible to achieve, and sustain, Social Justice in One Country, the struggle in each country running it’s own course according to conditions on the ground. Has the struggle for Social Justice too far to go? Will it collapse as the contemporary order of civilization is overtaken by successive waves of existential crises in the coming decades? Leaving aside particular controversies, the massing potential crises are Cosmological, Ecological, Environmental, Economic, Strategic and Social. Now in fairness, Social Justice does address the latter.

[@iamgw1722]

Women HAVE the same rights as men. Some women and men choose to do different things. Nothing to do with rights .... what’s a load of tosh

[@iainrae6159]

She avoided to mention the 'gender spend gap' ie women shopping till they drop using husbands hard earned cash.

[@stevebaker6149]

What a pompous speaker this woman is. And does she ever pause for breath?

[@thomasthomasphilp4393]

I have no issues with Muslims. I have issue with Islam. In which religion, people have concepts of "Kafir (Non believer), Ummah (Muslim brotherhood and not universal brotherhood) and small Jihad (Employment of violence)

[@damiansmart3269]

Interesting. Speaks well. Look forward to reading.....

[@LiftedBuddha]

Wow you really are as dumb as you look!

[@AMA-Online]

@@LiftedBuddha snowflake triggered.

[@persianwingman]

Triggered right wingers in this comments section 😂

[@LiftedBuddha]

Not a right winger but most of the examples she uses as fake news weren't actually fake news, don't trust this woman.

[@Ytremz]

KZbin comments are basically a cesspool for outspoken fringe right wingers. Nothing new to report.

[@musashidanmcgrath]

What a world we live in where our entire collated philosophical tradition can be put into 2 simplistic boxes: left/right - the human mind for idiots. People who disagree with the utter nonsense being spouted in this video don't get 'triggered', they debate. Another great tradition in western philosophy that has sadly fallen out of fashion in certain circles; replaced by childishness, temper tantrums, and NPC mantras.

[@timothymarchant9079]

@@musashidanmcgrath Indeed. I sometimes find myself looking at both camps and wondering if we're actually of the same species. Suffice to say, I don't much like the answer.

[@nordscan9043]

@@LiftedBuddha Much like Ash sarkar.

[@Itsnotmeitsmybrother]

Yesterday’s solutions are today’s problems !!

[@lawrence18uk]

Nesrine, can you spare a few minutes for the Climate Change Campaign? ;-) Waaay too many facts there at present!

[@Itsnotmeitsmybrother]

I’ve made it out and I’m going to be successful!!?

[@REMONSTER]

Why she isn't a Fox News news babe is beyond me.

[@beenbeen8679]

huge, MASSIVE, audience for this, as I'm sure everyone can tell based on viewership . . . . . .

[@jivasrocks]

She doesnt sound like she's lived in the UK for 10 years ?

[@retroremo]

thanks Sherlock?!!!

[@LPS-lo9lp]

lolz

[@JohnE9999]

Lying cant lies.