Are High Efficiency Wood Stoves Worth It?

For many years I steered clear of anything with a "high efficiency" rating on it when it came to wood stoves. I have had outdoor wood boilers and indoor stoves with no fancy controllers or extra parts to clean or replace. But, now having this new Central Boiler Classic Edge 760, have I changed my stance?
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[@stannelson2582]

After watching this I will never complain about cleaning my vintage Vermont Casting wood stove ever again. Lol.

[@gregcampbell3064]

Living in northern Minnesota I have been heating with wood for 45 years, my parents home, our cabin, and my own home. At first my home had an older forced draft, forced air, wood furnace. It was OK and averaged about 5 1/2-6 1/2 cords each year. The heating season starts here mid October and usually ends around mid May. 4 years ago we purchased a Kuuma Vapor Fire high efficiency forced air wood furnace. They are made about 70 miles to the east in Tower, MN. My wood consumption went down to about 4 cords, maybe 3-3 1/2 this year because it has been really mild this winter. I burn only seasoned firewood that is about on average 18-24 months under my large wood shed. The heat control for the draft has never been turned up past the medium setting even at -30 to -50 below. The two story home stays 65-75* all winter, the thermostat is set at 70. My only maintenance is cleaning the ash pan out every other day(takes 2-3 minutes, it's like powder). Chimney cleaning 1-2 times per season (the clay chimney flue has no build up or creosote and has been non existent since buying this furnace just some minimal amount in the two elbows going into the chimney). The furnace filters for the forced air system twice per heating season. Very satisfied, very efficient, little to no smoke. Only a half hour after filling, after that none. We burn about 12-18 pieces per day or about a wheel barrow load every 24 hours on average. We burn a mix of poplar, birch, and maple which we get right here on our land. Yes it takes time, yes it is hard work, yes it is not for everybody, but I am not under the thumb of "the man or government", we also have my wife's grandmother's Jungers wood fired kitchen stove to cook and supplement with if the power goes out.

[@MacMcCabe2456]

I use a Mahoning Outdoor Boiler, all hand made one at a time by American Craftsman in Potter County Pa. The exterior is all Stainless Steel, duel pumps on the back. I heat my home, domestic hot water, garage and work shop as well. I've owned and been using this unit from Oct - April 30th every year for 16 years. Never had an issue. I add a bottle of Mahoning's Water conditioner/rust preventive every season. During the summer I'll hook in a inline whole house water filter and filter the internal furnace water all summer until it's time to fire it up in October. This lets the pumps be operated and keeps the water clean inside. This unit will also burn coal, corn, wood or cherry pits for fuel. I have a "Clear-Stack" Catalytic unit installed which emits no smoke. Very happy with the simple operation of this unit for 16+ years now and, I enjoy cutting, splitting wood and making my own heat and hot water as well as "keeping the man" out of my wallet since fuel oil prices are through the roof. I built a my own log splitter out of old Bulldozer parts and she'll split anything ! I'm most proud of that which is built from hand and took two years to complete but it was worth it and very satisfying to me anyway.

[@quantumfx2677]

Excellent Way to go.

[@bob57786]

That's pretty neat. I live right near Potter County PA. Have you visited it before?

[@bubbawubba2307]

This is my first year of having an Osburn 2000 fireplace insert. It has a 20 inch firebox and it's pretty small. Can only put 2 pieces of split wood in it, that's the size you use. Anyways it's so hot and and efficient that I only put wood in it 2X per day about 12 hrs apart. Heats the whole house to 68 degrees that's 2200 square foot with the damper all the way closed. I've had Temps down in the teens here and highs in the 30s and it was pretty dang good. Ive had it get up in the high 70s and had to open the door to cool it off. What you are using in that boiler in 1 fill would last me several days. I'm very impressed with it and never thought it could achieve the amount of BTUs that it has. After watching your video I'm so thankful for it and I don't have to go through the trouble you do. Great video

[@tractordan933]

Very helpful info, keep it coming. I am in my seventeenth season with a CB 6048 (conventional) OWB and am considering its replacement. I have many of your same concerns about the gasifier OWBs. Very useful information, thank you.

[@HomesteadJay]

As a proud classic 6048 (no gasification user) I was waiting to hear your stance on this. I always compare mine to yours when people as I say its like a old 4 barrel v8 engine to a turbo 4 cylinder. One may use more fuel but its primitive technology and the other is more efficient but has more tech involved.

[@axesandthings483]

I have a 6048 as well, and this seems like a huge pain to me compared to what I’ve got. I just put wood in it once a day and shovel out the ash twice a year. 🤷‍♂️ I’m sure it burns less firewood, but I can put up firewood whenever I want. Getting extra isn’t that big of a deal. These high efficiency stoves seem like they have a timetable and you’re a slave to it. No choice. You gotta go clean it out, even if it’s 20 below out there.

[@fricknjeep]

hi there nice show . i built my wood boiler around 25 + years ago . my how they have evolved . wet wood vs. dry wood . well i am sure you heard it all . here is my 1 cent , water does not burn and to get it out the stack it has to go to steam . that takes a lot of your BTUs . there for your either using your wood to dry it or to heat the water in the boiler (tea pot) . i have found smaller pieces dry faster so i went that way . when the tea pot hits set point it will stop the fast burn . it cut my wood usage by around 25 % , my neighbor has the unit like yours .and would put anything in his . made a big difference for him as well. nice video nice tea pot . john

[@Self.reliant]

I like that burner it might be a little more cleaning then you want but the savings on wood seems pretty nice

[@shmiggityshmoe2229]

Go Green! Just had the same unit, just the WoodMaster brand CleanFire 700 delivered. Waiting to get the house part of the install done. Nice vid, appreciate the content.

[@tractordan933]

Good information, your honesty is appreciated. My home is smaller, closer to 3,000 sq.ft. and I am currently heating with a CB6048 (eighteenth season). So I am expecting to have to replace my OWB in the near future. Burning less wood is getting more important every day.

[@cybcarr]

Nice deceison! Well done! I have an old german build heater like this, its like 20+ years old, and the computer part is out of order, but still running strong manually. 1x a day full load +1/2 load after 8 hrs and and heats up a 250m2 house whic is not insulated, and dont have a thermal battery yet. nice. :)

[@jcourtouise]

I bought a Hardy H4 in 2009. It has been running non stop since then summer for hot water and winter for heat and hot water. If it’s 30F and colder I fill it in the morning and evening takes maybe a wheelbarrow and a half to fill. Has Lower door for ashes that at bet I clean out 6 times a year. Sucks outdoor furnaces have gotten so complicated with EPA restrictions. Glad to have mine and if you can find any used Hardy’s for sale buy them all stainless steel.

[@taylorsutherland6973]

Been heating my home, DHW, and 2 bay garage with 100% wood since 2009. I have an indoor gasification boiler. 3200 square feet in Northern Maine. A wheelbarrow of wood lasts me 2.5 - 3 days. I have heat storage and a daily burn lasts 2-3 hours. I had a conventional indoor boiler from 2009-2012. Gasification reduced my consumption by 30%. Had heat storage from day 1. There is a lot of loss, with cold wood, cold air into the stove, and underground lines. I empty the ash from the boiler weekly, about a gallon. And do a full cleaning annually. The goal was to use the least wood possible so I can reasonably continue to maintain the entire wood process for as long as I am able. The kids are getting old enough to help now, and we enjoy it.

[@ZenMasterFilms]

Very interesting, thanks

[@martinschulz9381]

People in my area who put in that floor heating when building their houses, often put one of these outdoor wood boilers in after getting the propane bills.

[@volvo09]

That's a pretty cool Boiler.

[@jakerisner4139]

I have the same boiler and have learned a few things through trial and error. I clean out the reaction chamber daily right after loading it. Only takes a minute or 2 and it really helps keep heat exchanger in the back cleaner. I only clean it like once a month if that. I also move the charred wood from side to side and rake the coals daily to help keep the ash in the firebox in check. Hope this helps!

[@jamesedwards6269]

I think these things are cool. I really want to have something like that one day.

[@dorisharrison9885]

Looking good 👍

[@stevem6711]

I have a Heatmaster G4000. It seems to be much easier to run and maintain then that. No coals to clean out of the refractory area, just ash. Yours seemed to have lost the hot coal bed. The heat exchanger in the back doesn't have removeable "baffles" to clean. Thanks for the video. It's always interesting to see the different water stoves out there. I really like the controller and information it gives the owner.

[@markbrown9765]

I have the same one he has here (different model but the same, just a bit smaller). I don't pull the coals out of the reaction chamber. I found that if you leave them there they turn to a minor amount of ash. Total ash from two years of burning is probably a couple 5 gallon buckets total. At the recommendation of my reseller I took the baffles out because of the type of wood we have. I pull the ash forward about once a week and then clean the ash out and clean the baffles about every two months. Pretty quick and basic.

[@doncarlton4858]

Wow! An enormous amount of expense and complexity! I'm glad I've got my wood stove for primary heat.

[@reallife2849]

Good dry wood shed changes everything!

[@kevlo4847]

Beginning my 3rd heating season with my 760 and after having a Wood Doctor converter for 13 years, I've had some growing pains mostly because I was not use to leaving the machine alone for so long!! I used less then 10 cord last year for a log home in mid Maine!

[@ronskancke1489]

10 cords! Holy poop batman. I haveafurnace add on i bought on auction for 10 dollars. Heating 1200 sq feet in South Dakota and don't use 4 cords max.

[@taylorsutherland6973]

3 cord heating 3200 square feet in Aroostook County Maine. That includes DHW. But, not a log home. Haven't filled the fuel tank in many years.

[@blueglide1]

I just had the same unit for about same time as you,I’m finding I haven’t burned two face cords yet here in Wisconsin.Of course the weather hasn’t been exactly winter time full blown temps yet either.But yea,my creosote on my inside has been runny,not hard like I see on most.I run my cleaning scraper inside and it just smears the tar around.I have only burned seasoned wood,smaller pieces than you,lots of iron wood.I have a fifteen cord pile I’m pulling off of that’s been there for two years.But I’ll take the green wood tip you have here to use sometime and see how it works.

[@calvarycustoms6681]

Happy Thanksgiving to you and the family, Todd! May the Lord continue to bless you and keep you all. ✝️ I’m not thrilled about living in heathen Commiefornia, but right now I’m thankful I’m not freezing in Northern Michigan! 🥶

[@FarmerBrad]

Sounds like it is the family cow of heating technology, still have to load it up almost every day.

[@innergoof19]

I was surprised you didn't have a particle mask on while cleaning the stove. Ash can be quite nasty in the lungs. Great video and discussion. Here in Southern CT, natural gas is piped under the streets. A bit less work ;)

[@dinglesdingler1211]

Work to make money to buy gas or work to split wood...theres no less work involved. No such thing as free lunch, but the govt doesnt tax my effort cutting firewood like they tax my effort earning at my dayjob. 40% better return.

[@stephensaines7100]

Wood stove besides....I love your dog!

[@Sagittarius-A-Star]

About 20 years ago I saw a pellets heater for a 300 m2 house here in Europe. The owner showed me the ash from one year: About one liter of very fine powder. A few years ago I came across a new high-tech version of that - it barely produces any ash at all.

[@jouman450]

Creosote was invented by the Americans.

[@Sagittarius-A-Star]

@@jouman450 😂 Charcoal too, as the video suggests.

[@scottyc7220]

I run a 50kw pellet boiler heating a 350m2 house in the Carpathian mountains. It's European made by a company called NBE, fully automated and self cleaning via compressed air. I burn around 8 tons of pellets / year, typically you get around 1% ash. Mine is emptied around 3 times / year.

[@terrafirma9328]

Ignorance was invented by europeans

[@richardlee2488]

@@scottyc7220 I used to make pellets and the Ash content is typically very low and even controlled for certified pellets, along with a lot of additional parts for the standards. It is suggested that the bark content of the feed stock will result in how much Ash you get. It can also be responsible for clinker. There is a bit more to the clinker problem than that as if the stove fails to clean the refractory before relighting then the Ash can literally melt into a rock hard lump.

[@richardlee2488]

I can't believe you get that much Ash from a home wood burner. Admitted a lot you pulled from the Ash pan was charcoal. I used to run a 500kwh woodchip boiler that used up to 16 tonnes of chip a week with less than a wheel barrow of super fine grey Ash.

[@johnwyman6126]

I have recently been researching rocket mass heaters. They burn so hot they actually incinerate everything and even burn up the creosote. Nothing left but a little ash. They are very inexpensive if you are willing to build it yourself. They use extremely small amounts of wood because they burn so hot and efficient they get ALL of the energy out of it, then store it in the mass. The chimney pipe is so cool you can put your hand on it. A 2-hour burn will heat the house for 12 hours or so. The only problem I see is that they are so big and heavy, but I can get around that.

[@lalala-oh8fw]

problem the second is that they tend to work the best if they can be placed centrally in the house no more than 1 door away from any room they need to heat, but if you can do that they are really good. problem the third you WILL make a mess hauling firewood into your house and burning it, but if this is not an issue go for it.

[@salmonhunter7414]

I put a water holding tank for hot water storage. ( two old large propane tanks that I spray foamed to keep insulated. Made it cycle less and run cleaner. But you all have to restart your boiler more.

[@mr.mckenney2549]

Same here. I put in a 1800 gallon spray foam tank. I run my unit on 1 day and two days off in the winter, this keeps me at 100% burn the whole time. Summer is one day of fire every 12-14 days.

[@taylorsutherland6973]

Yes, storage is key. Idling kills efficiency and rots the boiler. I build 1 fire a day as well.

[@davidcrowson4745]

Happy Thanksgiving

[@terrafirma9328]

Is that small slit in the back wall of the upper chamber the only exhaust port?

[@richardsolak8856]

I was wondering why the wood piles aren't closer to the furnace

[@rogindaUP]

We just invested in a a CB Edge 560; after heating with a Classic 4436 for 20 years & loving it! We were a little nervous about all the 'high tech' stuff, etc -- and the new models do seem somewhat more labor intensive. But your video was very helpful; & much appreciated. The tax credit & 25 year warranty on the new Classic Edge stoves help too!

[@larrysayer6812]

On my way second year with a 560. It’s so easy now it’s kind of boring lol

[@simonwass6315]

A very large % of that 'ash' you raked out is charcoal, wasted wood.

[@mrglasecki]

# 1 reason for creosote is moisture in the wood, if your stove can burn HOT enough it's fuel

[@terrafirma9328]

You have cold water extracting heat with the exchanger and wet wood and starving it of oxygen to slow the burn your not getting the high temperatures. His digital graph shows more time is spent getting too 100% and cooling down than staying there, too much wastes energy, imo.

[@Max_xaM]

One thing i am always wondering about these systems is wether or not it would be useful to have a relatively big heat buffer/storage? At 11:33 you can see that the stove is only burning at 100% for a few minutes at a time. I have seen systems where you have enough heat for 1,5-2 days stored in a water tank which allowes the wood stove to run at 100% until the wood is gone and all the heat is stored in the tank and then slowly released to the house. That way you still have to fill the stove every day/ every other day but it doesnt have the smouldering phases in between the burn phases and thus creates way less creosote and less heating up/cooling down phases. Even a small buffer tank which could raise the burn phases from around 10 mins to 2h would make quite the difference.

[@lalala-oh8fw]

i have the system you are talking about 100 KW boiler with a 10000L buffer tank. The boiler goes at 70-100% output for about 8 hours and fills the buffer up. the buffer then last me 7- 10 days depending on the outside temperature and wind. i get about 7 days in - 10 C medium wind chill

[@Max_xaM]

@@lalala-oh8fw mjust out of curiosity: how big is a 100KW boiler and how much wood does it take to fill it for thise ~8h?

[@lalala-oh8fw]

@@Max_xaM the boiler is1,6m by 1,6m by 2m tall. wood usage for a burn about 5 weelbarrows full but i have to fill it 4 times with 1 and a quarter wheelbarrowfull.

[@bradbiesecker162]

What are the things that were vertically arrayed at he was pulling out of the boiler?

[@sheamcclure6639]

Army PT top FTW. I hated that material vs the 100% cotton...at least for the under shirts.

[@MrRedPelt]

I've got the same unit. Other than throwing wood in it I've had to spend about 15 min every 2 weeks on maintenance. The weekly maintenance takes me less than a minute.

[@MrRedPelt]

Oh yeah and I fill mine once every 2 or 3 days. Low 30s during the days. Heating about 2300 Sq ft with cathedral ceilings and old windows. So far burning about the same outside as I did inside with my jotul.

[@JockandLuke]

I have the 560 and installed back in July…. This video was super helpful as it is a learning curve getting used to running one… keeping it clean and learning how it responds with different wood and different temperatures. Great video! Do you have any videos on connecting it to the internet? I haven’t been able to get mine to connect :( and the until isn’t very far from my wifi modem.

[@leonsfrozen]

I just got my 760 installed today and fired it up for the first time. Connecting to the internet was super easy. If you have your original manual, just follow the directions step by step. It took me maybe 15 minutes to figure it out. Love being able to check it on my phone

[@kidsofbeaverbank]

@@leonsfrozen thanks for the reply... I am following the directions line for line and no dice... when I connect to the network the web page where you are supposed to put your serial number in doesn't come up... im assuming you never had this issue, haha.

[@victoryfirst2878]

I am interested in how many cords of wood do you burn in a season ??? Where are you located Sir ?? How expensive was the unit and did you install this yourself fella ??? Thanks for your time Sir.

[@dansw0rkshop]

Another question to ask is "how long will it be before it rusts through and leaks?" (The warranty period is just short of this.)

[@denverbasshead]

People have had their outdoor boilers a lot longer than warranty without leaking

[@treefrog2299]

I have one question in that wood burner it's called a boiler heat what's the name of that and do you live in the state is cold in the winter really cold cuz I have one that it requires every 24 12 hours you have to fill it and it goes through wood like a chipper and I don't see any of any better effect for it I like to know where you got yours at and I'm impressed by it what you you showed I really impressed so if you can answer that question I appreciate it thank you

[@ryanmoran3195]

My heatmaster gasified stove will last about a day and a half on a wheelbarrow load of full unsplit pine logs they will last a good while. We are heating a 1500 sq ft house woth poor insulation

[@jacksonbeverly3250]

I’ll stay with my CL 5036 classic

[@jeremyholaday4752]

I have yet to understand the clean reload function. Can some walk me through that?

[@andreac.6164]

4200 sq!! Thats like 6 apartments in NY

[@safffff1000]

I got my Blaze King for daily savings but the biggest reason it runs without electricity. Good luck with long term electrical outages. Takes a lot of solar to run those pumps and fans.

[@silentknight9509]

Sorry but your mistaken according to central boiler and my electrician these boilers depending on how many pumps my has 3 and takes about as much power to run the boiler as 3 40 watt light bulbs also I have the 960 which is the largest they make and one size up from Todd's

[@safffff1000]

@@silentknight9509 Please tell me the total watts per day the manufacture says that will keep these going for weeks without the the grid. Are you saying it only takes 120 wts per hour to run? About 2.5 kw. which would mean at least a 5k battery with 15 k cells in the dead of winter.

[@silentknight9509]

@@safffff1000 I at the moment do not have data with me but will get it when I return but I can tell you a fellow wood boiler down the road from me operates his on solely solar power which is basically the equivalent of a solar generator which also provides the lighting for the boiler the adjacent wood area and greenhouse year round

[@SSLFamilyDad]

I can just use my indoor stoves during an outage if I wanted. Or I could throw out a few solar panels or just run my small generator. Either way we have electricity backups if needed

[@terrafirma9328]

They have a new panel that uses heat to create eletri ity, when these new thermal electric panels hit the market you can use the wood heat to run some of your electric.

[@iwantosavemoney]

Am really interested how much wood you go threw in a week.

[@bennywilks9367]

So looking at that display from your controller brings to mind some questions: Every 2 hours it cycles to 100% efficiency and then it looks fairly uniform concerning the drop-off curve before it jumps up again. What causes that? The blower? Do you set the threshold of the water temp that it lets it drop down to before it starts another 'high mode' cycle?

[@SSLFamilyDad]

Water temp has a range setting. 169-185. When it gets down to 160 the fan kicks on and fire kicks up. Once water temp gets to 180 fans shut off

[@philliphall5198]

How often do you have to clean it ??

[@ck3561]

You know I guess I just like the simplicity of my free standing wood stove. Run a brush through the pipe wipe the glass scoop ash good to go. We are sole wood stove heat. I just don’t like the cats or secondary burns on these new stoves.

[@MrSprintcat]

I've had a bunch of wood stoves in my life. I bought a catalytic converter Blaze King princess and it has to be the best stove I've ever owned in my life. It was worth every penny he's my whole basement and my house 30x60. And it uses so much less wood than my old wood stoves. The amount of money I'm saving on wood and keeping the house at the same temperature actually a little cooler because of the way it burns it doesn't bake you out of the house

[@1974jrod]

@@MrSprintcat Yup, grew up burning wood with non cat. Was hesitant of the cats, but now getting one because they've dialed them in really good now. Super efficient.

[@MrSprintcat]

@@1974jrod all I can say is up here in Northern New England and my Blaze King is a king. I'm telling you I can't compare this to my Vermont Castings Resolute or vigilant

[@1974jrod]

@@MrSprintcat I believe you.

[@mcmillanfarms]

Have you calculated how much the price difference is between running the boiler and running propane if you amortize the price of the boiler in and charge for your time? Have considered a boiler like you purchased but so far haven't convinced myself that I would be ahead with one.

[@jorrick66]

I’m probably not into mine near as much as he is. I bought mine 3 years ago before the prices went up, and I got the 26% tax credit. All said and done after the the tax credit, I am in mine for about $8,000. 800 gallons of propane was around $2,000 a year, plus around $150 ish per month for an electric bill. I burn slabs from the sawmill in my classic edge 560. $20 a bundle, about 5-6 bundles a year. And my electric bills are $80-$90 a month running hot water and heat from the outdoor boiler. As far as time goes, I haul a bundle of slabs to the house and cut on it a little at a time when I have nothing else to do. Doesn’t eat into anything that way, and cutting a little at a time usually fills my wood storage up before I need it. I get a lot of, “You need to burn bigger, greener wood in a boiler to get long burn times.” You have to understand the science behind these style boilers. Like the gentleman said, most of the burning happens in the reaction chamber. Yes you still have a fire in the upper firebox, but it’s mostly to make coals. The smoke and heat mixed with oxygen in the lower chamber is where the majority of the heat comes from. Smaller wood = more coals = more efficient fire. Burning slabs, I’ve found that you’re not wasting btu’s trying to dry big green wood out so it can be burnt for heat. Hope that helps your decision.

[@dinglesdingler1211]

Ill add that wood boilers are for people that dont mind being outside. If youre the kind of person that doesnt leave the house in the winter, this isnt for you. Were in and out all day anyway so throwing a few logs in the boiler isnt a big deal.

[@taylorsutherland6973]

@@dinglesdingler1211 I have an indoor gasification boiler. I store an entire season worth of wood inside, where it's warm. I love loading my boiler daily in my slippers. The wood also drys more as the winter progresses. I burn last years leftovers until mid December usually.

[@MarkYager]

@@taylorsutherland6973 - I would be curious to know how much wood you burn in a season, and how big your house (or whatever you are heating) is. We purchased an indoor wood boiler (40kw unit) a few months ago and are using it now. We're still going through a fair bit of wood but we're heating a 5300 sf home with lots of very large windows.

[@taylorsutherland6973]

@MarkYager 3200 ft2 total heated space, with two 9x7 overhead doors. All radiant slab, 2200 living space and 1000 of shop, all heated to same temp. Also heat all domestic hot water. Last year I burned just under 3 cord. In Mapleton ME

[@jskrug1]

I don't know where your BTUs are going but, my design only burns 75 lbs of hard wood per day and heats a 3,000 sq ft home to 75 F in the dead of winter. I use a squirrel cage blower to get the heat off my stainless steel stove and into the room air. Key feature-- I use NO FIRE BRICK inside the stove.

[@jasonbrown7258]

What happens when the power goes out?

[@JamesCouch777]

If the electric went out you would have to run a generator to have heat. Once our power was out for a month.

[@SSLFamilyDad]

Yeah but I would have to do that no matter what

[@alexlindekugel8727]

my issue with hi efficiency wood units is yes there efficient but they get burned up awfully quick. and repairing them is a real pain. but ech there oven. i fix wood boilers as a side gig the lower efficencys are much ezy to repair but them i wont see them agen for 5 to 10 years agen.

[@jtjjbannie]

How far away from the house is it, and what is the heat transfer method? Is it water, antifreeze or another method?

[@dwightminor5792]

Water. They do sell an antifreeze additive but it’s optional. I run straight water in mine.

[@Egleu1]

Nice pt shirt. I liked the video, do you ever clean out the walls of the main burn chamber? Or does that not really matter?

[@SSLFamilyDad]

Doesn’t really matter

[@tcap7917]

A simple particle mask would be helpful

[@darrylmcleman6456]

FINE BUSINESS!!! What is that white coating all over the landscape??? Happy Thanksgiving Day! Viewing from Canadian Westcoast!

[@terrafirma9328]

Many cords of ash🤣

[@rayray9620]

How much wood did you burn last winter?

[@jamescochran8509]

I have a Pacific Western boiler saves me 650 to 700 gallon of fuel each year.

[@neildriedger637]

👍

[@mitchell866]

Do it while your young.

[@1974jrod]

So, you are saying you put 2plus full wheel barrows a day in that boiler??? Your unit holds 23 cubic feet. So round down for space, and that means you are burning a full cord (128 cubic feet) of firewood a week?

[@jodybesick2175]

I have a pacific energy summit stove inside I can cook on it and heat my 1500 sq ft house With the right pieces I can get by with 2 18 in logs twice a day

[@jodybesick2175]

In Iowa I might add

[@1974jrod]

@@jodybesick2175 yeah, based on the video he's burning a full cord a week.

[@jodybesick2175]

@@1974jrod there won't be a tree in 10 miles from his house 😏

[@1974jrod]

@@jodybesick2175 my jaw dropped when he said how much a day. Here in upstate NY , Adirondacks, anyone who burns wood for primary gets by between 4 to 7 full cord a season depending on the weather, irrespective of house size. Although a woman I know used am outdoor boiler down the road from me and was burning 13 full cord a season. Funny thing is she's a tree hugger! Figure that one out.

[@terrafirma9328]

She likes to hug the dead trees that keep her warm

[@grandn8646]

Well no offence but that stove seems like a pain in the butt with the way you have to keep cleaning it. Al Lumnah Acres has a Heatmaster G10000 and I don't think he has to do as much work with it. However, he hasn't showed a video on how it has to be maintained. Take a look at the vid he posted today where his wife loaded it.

[@tanneradams20]

Having an actual ash door is pretty nice. A lot of models have to be cleaned from the loading door. Pretty much every boiler requires maintenance at least a couple of times a week

[@jorrick66]

The heatmaster has to have the roof taken off and the insulation pulled back to get the turbulators out so you can clean the fly ash out. It’s recommended to bore brush the heat exchanger tubes at that point too. Only has to be done once a year, but that’s a lot of work compared to popping the back door open and doing a little scraping once a month.

[@BS.-.-]

@@jorrick66 that's prob why it was never showed in a video. Sounds like a nightmare.

[@jorrick66]

@@BS.-.- central boiler has a video on how you have to clean the heat exchanger on different brand boilers. I believe they have a classic edge, a heatmaster, and a polar on the video. That, and the heatmaster dealer in my area wouldn’t answer the phone or return a message are the reasons I went with a classic edge. If they weren’t even interested in selling me a stove, I can only imagine what getting any kind of warranty work done would’ve been like. Bottom line, dealer support is key no matter what you buy imo.

[@pizann350]

@@jorrick66 are you in BC by chance

[@markmahoney14]

Here in Siberia our governor jacks up the prices on propane and natural gas. Ha so we drink vodka and load up our fire chambers muhahaha.

[@misterhipster9509]

Funk that, like my 6048 just fine, wood appetite be damned.

[@fire_stick]

So it’s a big rocket stove?

[@mr.redneck2715]

By the way that’s not a stove. The other thing is you can never burn green wood efficiently!!!!! I got rid of my gasifier boiler and put in wood stoves. I went from over 10 cords to less than 4. Ah the domestic hot water. I’ve purchased one more solar panel on the roof and put in a modern hot water heater.

[@dogdooish]

Having your heater outside seems to defeat the purpose of a heater?

[@terrafirma9328]

Cuts down the insurance cost as it's less likely to burn your house down. Less indoor polution and safer.

[@terrafirma9328]

Cuts down the insurance cost as it's less likely to burn your house down. Less indoor polution and safer.

[@jouman450]

I could consider buying a Jäspi, Arimax or Termax accompanioned with a large water tank. Outdoor wood boiler? No thank you.

[@archiehendricks6093]

This guy is dair at making charcoal

[@740GLE]

Be mindful of using green wood, even if you’re using only half green wood. The high moisture content will create an acid and eat through the steel plating of the loading area after time, even 1/4-3/8” steel plate doesn’t stand a chance. You’ll want it to last 20-30 years. Also you’ll need to plan for replacing the secondary burn ceramics ever 10 years as they are a consumable.

[@richardlee2488]

Overdry Wood can burn out the fire bricks in a few burns. Remember they used to smelt iron with charcoal and many other metals. The three issues of wet wood can be. The content of tannic acid as a hot vapour certainly does eat steel quicker than rust. Wet would is using a significant amount of the heat energy to dry the moisture out. This holds the temperature in the fire box down. In a gasifier system the presence of moisture will reduce the ability of the gas to burn correctly. In addition unburnt gas is extremely toxic but also explosive when the correct air/gas mix is achieved. Be also aware that wood tar is highly carcinogenic.

[@roamer7129]

That thing looks like a nightmare I would rather have a good old fashion regular woodstove any day of the week

[@jacquesblaque7728]

Huge stretch calling an OWB high efficiency. Notice the creosote coating inside the firebox? Sure sign the temps there are WAY too low for efficient combustion. So glad I don't live downwind from such a device. OTOH my Morso is almost prissy-clean, and REALLY efficient, would never trade it for one of those smoke-dragons. Never.

[@supplies4reptiles228]

Sometimes we have to work.nothing comes free. It's exactly the same as BBQ or smoking meat. It will need cleaning

[@fhuber7507]

I see a lot of unburned chared wood when you start cleaning.... Needs cleaning more frequently.

[@dominic6055]

Rather than invest big money for heating and insulation, I'd rather move to a tropical country and enjoy the life there. Also a lot more food options and sun and good health

[@SSLFamilyDad]

There are some disadvantages to tropical climates too….. like snakes and spiders bigger than me:)

[@dominic6055]

@@SSLFamilyDad lol true

[@426superbee4]

Nope. It don't get any better than a cast iron stove

[@davebona9592]

Owned a portage and main high efficiency wood boiler………..waste of money. Nothing like designing something that doesn’t work worth crap. Creosote just turned into cement in this thing, you had to clean it weekly and they never sent the proper tools to clean it, had to create my own tools. Fought with it for two years, finally bought the 15 year old heatmor off neighbour. Went from a lot of needless work and a stove that barely worked too one that’s hassle free.

[@FrankfurtFury]

You would talk differently if you knew a good high efficient wood stove for the house like a Blazeking for example.

[@mimibergerac7792]

Producing lots of charcoal indicates not ideal burn.

[@davidspensberger7862]

expensive 17k wow

[@silentknight9509]

That's nothing if you consider the cost of heating with oil including the cost and labor of processing of the wood for 2 years the boiler with the 26% taxes credit will have paid for it's self by the end of the next winter and that not including the fact that my garage is now heated as well

[@user-dm1tv6nl2e]

@@silentknight9509 +1. Would cost 6 to 7k to heat here on oil, bought a heat exchanger fireplace (a lot more loading) and am working on heating my home with that. Will pay for itself this year.

[@03abujas]

It’s all good until it’s not. The cost of repair, and the technical nature of the stove, will probably haunt you eventually. Simple is simple. This piece of equipment, Albeit, very efficient, Will not be something you probably can fix yourself, when it starts failing

[@wf2v]

The guys I know that run these around here become slaves to the wood boiler! You will always be doing something for heat. Not my cup of tea. But hey, if the sh- hits the fan, you can burn tires in that sucker to stay warm!

[@jeanvaljohn3921]

I am over 65 now. This sounds great for you young kids. But At your age I'd be investing in a Geo thermal system . It's three times more expensive. But many experience break even within 3.5 to 4.5 years. If you still want to get plenty of exercise, Cut and split firewood for a dozen of your boiler neighbors. Ancillary income.

[@williammetzo5407]

If you clean it b4 each loading you won't have build up ashes. Like brushing ur teeth after meals!!!!

[@bryanjones14]

No thanks

[@donnyaldridge6452]

I've heard a lot of these namely Central Boiler are highly unreliable and very cheaply built...

[@dwightminor5792]

I’ve never heard that before. Had mine since 2017 great running machine.

[@silentknight9509]

No sure where you heard that I researched for two years and have heard very few complaints especially from people who run these as recommended these new boilers do not like green wood at all I don't burn anything more than 17% in my mine which is why people have issues and why the maintenance is so easy I don't have any of that solid ash in my chamber or the build up in my heat exchanger or the build he's having in the box and I'm getting up to 3 day burn times in the northeastern US

[@ericje2000]

Another video where somebody wasted their time they can't hear the audio so what's the sentence before they post them

[@welsleygrondin9397]

I’ll vote for you if you legalize marigina

[@leonidtomnov8933]

My central heating is at least 10X more efficient. You are throwing away your wood.

[@razor3151]

How does the heat go from outside in your wood bolier to inside the house to heat it?

[@SSLFamilyDad]

Hot water is circulated underground to the furnaces and water heaters

[@martinbaird1406]

When I empty my wood stove at home, I remove white ash, not charcoal