Are Mass Produced Recurves Any Good

Are Mass Produced Recurves Any Good
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[@bcreed9348]

Fred Bear spent his life making archery accessible to the "everyman" by making bows affordable and reliable. Ordering a custom bow from someone like Nels Grumley took some serious cash. He did to archery what Ford did for mass transportation. Great post!

[@SamkoTradBow]

Very well said and great example

[@HondoTrailside]

I remember looking at the bows Fred actually shot in his videos. They looked a lot more like the widow limbs, narrow and deep, than the bows they actually sold. There was always a part in his videos where they would toss a bow to the ground on a talus slope, or use the bow aggressively to ford a river. You could tell that what people wanted when they bought those bows was a bow that could take abuse. They didn't have chronographs, so performance wasn't really a thing. By the time the Trad thing got underway in the 80s, there were a lot of cheap Chronies around. People got excited over a few fps, and that was still a thing until about 10 years ago. Then gap became the norm, and people didn't care about speed much, since they were hitting.

[@vladimirlopez7840]

This gentleman is 100% spot on! Thank you for your willingness to speak the truth. Not everybody can go and have a custom bow made. Heck even some off the rack bows like Bear etc are beyond what a lot of people can spend. These inexpensive bows do more good for archery than people give them credit for. Almost anybody can buy a bow for fun and for hunting and that is important. There is someone out there using these inexpensive bows to put meat on the table and feeding their family.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep never been a better time for people to get into traditional archery simple and affordable. And the quality of these bows is excellent

[@graphguy]

I have a $150 recurve. I have a $500 semi-custom and a $1,200 custom long bow. I shoot the same with all 3. But yes, I love the custom bow the best because it is beautiful. But they all shoot equally.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Very well said. I will continue to shoot northern mist custom longbows as long as he makes them! But sure am glad the mass produced bows are available as well

[@grampsoutdooradventuresdal7104]

Thank you Jason for this video. I am 68 1/2 and have never owned a custom bow, would I like to - yes but the family budget never really lent itself to high priced bow purchases. I grew up idolizing Fred Bear and consequently fell into shooting Bear bows and using a lot of Bear equipment , most of them I purchased 2nd hand at pretty low prices. Mostly shoot to hunt and don’t get into the showmanship aspect of the whole thing (can’t really afford to anyway). If (and I doubt) my Production bows don’t perform as well as other high priced custom bows then I just take that as another element of the challenge, which is what makes the whole sport so satisfying anyway. Keep doing what you do Jason

[@SamkoTradBow]

Agree 100% and I love bear bows!

[@chattahoocheeoutdoorsman4865]

I absolutely love my Black Hunter longbow! I have shot custom bows and own a vintage Bear kmag. The Black Hunter performs with the best of them. I will get me a custom longbow in the future, but I'll keep enjoying the "cheapy" for now.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep and it shoots perfect, hunts perfect and does everything it needs to

[@darinfry1543]

My galaxy ember recurve (same as black hunter) shoots and feels great. Great bow

[@daleweller5193]

I have a Bear Kodiak 59 series with rose wood riser , and it shoots just as good today as it did when I bought it.

[@SamkoTradBow]

And it can be passed down for generations!

[@ArtietheArchon]

great as a starter bow and a middle bow and an ending bow

[@SamkoTradBow]

Agree 100%. Well said

[@paddyboy12432]

Your like the Ultimate Male. You figured out efficiency in how to make what you want to happen happen and shared it freely with the world. Your the vestige of Great men.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Greatly appreciated!

[@brentv9901]

My second or third bow was a Sammick sage. Absolutely loved it. Sold it to my brother because I lended it to him to get into the sport. He shot it very well so I sold it to him. Very smooth pull and accurate as well. Do not be afraid to buy one. I've heard excellent things about the black hunter as well and will get my hands on one eventually. The only major problem with these bows is the bow buying addiction that can come afterwards. Especially if you're getting into this sport young like I did lol

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep love the sage! And your right the addiction is hard to beat!

[@krownedklown420klik9]

Old getting.back into it, and bought 4 bows in 3 months🤦,. Now I want.a black Swan static recurve 😍😵way out of my budget ATM,

[@reedmitchell6716]

Love my custom. Thank God for production bows and the companies who make them. My Martin Hunter just works for me. Congratulations on your move. Well deserved.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Thanks! Agree 100% love my custom bows but have a great respect for the capabilities of the mass produced bows too!

[@tldogmeat]

Spot on. I have a couple sammick sages, with a few diff sets of limbs. you can mount anything on it. Great bow.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Sure is a great bow. Glad you are happy with it

[@HobbiesHobo]

Finally! Someone who agrees with me. You can have a lifetime of fun & hunting with one of those. I have a 50# PSE Takedown recurve, I "Upgraded" to a 40# PSE Takedown recurve & then "Upgraded" again to a 30#, 40 Yr. Old, one piece YAMAHA recurve, haha, Good stuff Jason! From the wet west coast of Canada, Mike.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep those pse bows have been around for decades and work perfect

[@jake4194]

Lol sounds just like me, started with #50, then went down to #40, then finally got a #30 black hunter so I could practice good form and technique

[@1963shay]

I have a custom longbow. I recently bought a Bear 59er and I love it. Thank you I am going on a crusade on social media.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Love the 59er

[@dustinhoffman9843]

I'm very thankful for the content you put out. You being the stature you are with a short draw length like me too is the reason I picked up traditional archery. I honestly for a long time didn't think with my shorter draw length and a lighter pound traditional bow that it'd be sufficient enough for hunting, and I couldn't be any happier that I was so wrong lol

[@SamkoTradBow]

It still amazes me the power that comes from a traditional bow and thier lethality

[@kevinemard5370]

Some of us can not afford to buy a custom bow. I like the mass produced bows I myself started with a self now as a kid my first recurve bow was an Internature bow which was made by samick way before the sage was ever a thought killed my first mule deer with that the most expensive bow i own is a bear super grizzly.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep and very grateful the quality of mass produced bows is high. You get alot of bow for not alot of money today

[@feralgrandad4429]

Jason, I killed my Canadian Cow Elk with a #50 Samick sage. I have a "nicer" bow now but man I don't need it. Great video, saying something that needed saying.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep a sage is an amazing bow! Glad you enjoyed the video

[@sarafayelawton652]

I love my Sage recurve. I love my Hoyt recurve. And I love my St Joe River longbow. You started me on this trad trip with your Samick Sage review. 🙂 Thanks SO much!

[@SamkoTradBow]

Thats what I like to hear!!! Those are all very fine bows and glad you are enjoying them!

[@deeprootstexas]

@@SamkoTradBow same for me, your review is what pushed me to get it, finally took some game with it too.

[@bobarel7486]

Once again,,,, The Master conducts a great class! Very well put Buddy! The topic/message today is one to infrequently taught!

[@SamkoTradBow]

Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it

[@TightwadTodd]

Was showing a Sage to a potential customer, years ago. Another "Customer" interjected himself into the conversation and stated, "Its a cheap Starter bow". I knocked an arrow and drove it into the X on our Bale and looked at the guy and replied, "its an inexpensive Finisher bow too." the Customer bought the bow, the "'Expert" left the shop. I saw him at a shoot later and he didn't even place in the top 20, with his custom bow.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Love it. I hate people with that type of attitude. I don't golf mich but in high school I was on a golf league and remeber all the rich kids and thier ping golf clubs looking down on me with Spalding clubs. I kicked thier asses by minimum of 10 strokes every time laughing, but still hurt by thoer put downs.

[@TightwadTodd]

@@SamkoTradBow Yeah, my dad used to embarrass all the golf snobs with the old clubs, he had in college and his 3 handicap.

[@whitetailstorm1967]

I think about things like this often. Glad you mention it when it's on your mind.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it

[@TheMegaman55555]

Literally just bought a Samick sage a week ago. It’s my first trad bow. I’ve only shot a handful of arrows (in my basement) and already enjoy it more than my compounds. Can get multiple of these for the price of one decent compound, so it’s a great option. I went down the trad bow path because I wanted to rely less on accessories/bow press/etc. Happy so far even if my form and everything is trash right now. Still fun…and now i understand why the elder statesmen, if you will, at the range I’m a member to only shoot traditional. I get it.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Welcome to the world of traditional archery! You are going to love all of it! Don't be afraid to ask any questions. Myself or the amazing people in the community and that comment on this channel will be happy to help you any way we can!

[@TheMegaman55555]

@@SamkoTradBow thank you for the encouraging words! Happy to be apart of it all.

[@mountainmuleman0311]

I agree, i grew up with a Martin Jaguar Recurve and now I shoot a Black Hunter Longbow. My dream now is a Bear Kodiak. Personally I don't feel the need to ever have a custom. Although to each there own there are some nice ones out there

[@SamkoTradBow]

Those are all amazing bows!

[@mknight6556]

My dad located me a 1962 Bear Kodiak and a 60s grizzly from an older gentleman who hunted and collected bows. I took my first traditional deer last year with the Kodiak! It's 51#s 60 inches long. I've only had all the other bear bows so I was stoked. It has the original leather strike plate and bear hair rest so it's been lightly used. One thing that is forsure is the bow has a lot of speed. It seems to really sling the arrow. And it has nice grip too. I think they are slightly overrated though. They bring a lot of money on ebay because they are collectable and built very well. Supposedly the Kodiak was built to stand up to harsh hunting conditions. I had a custom Mountain Monarch in the works by Big Jim. It literally took years for myself to get a hold of him because he's always at bow shoots. He finally got my bow going, spalted maple and myrtle. He ended up calling me halfway through the build and told me he accident cut my bow in half,. I didn't want a 2-piece,. I wanted a custom 1-piece recurve. He told me that's an extra +160 surcharge but he would give me the option for free. I was like no,. You can take -160 off the bow build because I didn't ask for that option. This is my custom bow and I wanted it done how I want. We got in a little argument. Long story short,. He sent me pics of the bow at the end to see if I wanted it if he would build me another and I just say it was the ugliest looking custom bow ive ever seen in my life. If you aren't buddy buddies with that guy,. Don't expect a gorgeous bow. I had such asick taste in my mouth about the entire experience with Big Jim that i demanded all my money back and you better believe 1,400 was deposited back in my account 2 days later. Big Jim is a prick. You certainly don't need a custom recurve. Keep up the great videos!

[@RJ-wl2ws]

I completely agree. However, I will throw caution about something you didn't mention. I have heard plenty of instances when, especially the Black Hunter, cheaper bows are mislabeled on the draw weight. So just pay mind to that. You might order a #50 bow, that is labeled #50, but might only draw #45, or what have you. That being said, I have shot Bear for years and have never had any issues. Just love em. Thanks for the video.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep can't go wrong with any of them today. All great bows

[@memoryalphamale]

Southwest Spyder XL shooter here. Great budget-minded bow that, with the correctly chosen, tuned arrows, will do the job you practice for. Keep on comrades:)

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep thats a great bow

[@chuckminick9511]

I shoot a Amazon Black Hunter Longbow and like it so much, I bought one for my Daughter and another for my grandson.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Awesome! Love that you are getting the kids and grand kids involved! And what a great bow to do it!

[@barrystricklin2230]

Nice to hear someone who's honest and has common sense l have been killing deer with less expensive bows for 35 years they have served me well

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep mass bows work amazing.

[@cfrost87]

I have the sage premier from southland archery, and it's a good bow. We all should get the best we can afford and desire to have.

[@SamkoTradBow]

sage is a fantastic bow.

[@bryanthornton6787]

Great video, Jason. That Black Hunter isn't fancy, but it's smooth, fast, quiet! And, like all of them, only as accurate as the person pulling the string.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Could not of said it better myself!

[@jn-mh4eb]

Thanks for this video I bought 4 sages for my family and we love them have thought I should up great because everyone says it’s a beginner bow. I love the way it shoots love the price and that it lasts forever and dose not need to go to the shop to get the string changed ex…. Great to hear from someone with as much experience as you say it’s great and don’t need to replace it. I would need more years to get a custom anyways to learn from experience what I wish was different

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep excellent bows. We have 3 in my house and have best the tar out of them bowfishing and hunting and 3d shoots etc. They are solid durable, great shooting bows. I can not find one single flaw with a samick sage! Other than the snooty attitude of some that thing it's not worth because it's mass produced. I love the sage and would not hesitate to hunt with one if I shot recurves.

[@bowman321123]

Amen!!! I have about a dozen fine name brand bows (too many according to my wife) and my Samick Sage is still my go-to bow after about 10 years. The tool is only as good as the mechanic. Thanks.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Well said!

[@caseymclamb5890]

Great topic, good video. Definitely something that folks don’t talk about enough. Enjoying your videos, wish I had found you a lot sooner.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Glad you are enjoying the videos

[@rickyoung360]

The Sage is made in Korea not China. I agree that the Sage and other rebranded Sages are great bows. Replacing the Dacron string with Fast Flight will really wake that bow up. Many older Bear, Martin etc. bows can be picked up at garage sales and thrift stores for little money and make great bows. Good luck with your move!

[@BigJimsBowCompany]

Not made in korea. The Koreans can't afford to build a bow that cheaply and have the Chinese make their cheaper models like the sage. Bigjim

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep love the samick sage! And love gow there are bows available at those low prices that work great. Not wveryone can afford a custom bow or wants to spend that kind of money to try traditional

[@franklinfx]

samick sage is made in china....samick discovery line is made in Korea

[@xfactoroutdoors165]

Sage is China. At one time I believe Korea produced them but they’ve been in China for some time now. Still good stuff though.

[@peterweikel7123]

I have only ever shot mass produced bows. A little more then a year ago I landed on the Win and Win Black Wolf. It's an ilf and as close to a custom as I have ever come. The adjustability and available limbs as well as a failure grip makes it a wonderful fit for me. That said, I still want to shoot a custom or two and dream of a beautiful hand crafted work of art. It will happen but for now the Wolf is an amazing piece of equipment. We all have our own priorities, our own budgets, and preferences. I don't see any being better or worse. We are out doing what we enjoy. We need to just get along.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep its hard to find a bad bow today. They are all built well and shoot well

[@mknight6556]

My uncle has a bunch of old mass produced bows, anywhere from, Bear, Herters, and Shakespeare , so many and out of all the bows he has had, the only bow that has broke or in this instance delaminated, was his Black Widow from the 80s.

[@rickymortinson1918]

I clicked on this video because I saw you holding my sage in the thumbnail and I was expecting to hear you tell me why my bow sucks. Boy was I surprised with the content of the video😅. I bought the sage on a budget but I’ve been so satisfied with it I haven’t even considered looking to upgrade. I have a few set of limbs at different poundage and it has threaded intakes for sights, quivers etc… thanks for not being a snobby purist and giving an honest review.

[@rickymortinson1918]

Reading my own comment back to myself That sounds like a paid review. Just jumping back in quickly to say that I wish sage was paying me but unfortunately I just like the bow lol

[@SamkoTradBow]

The sage is an amazing bow! We have 4 of them here at the house and they take a beating in bow fishing boats, spend weeks in hot cars, and shoot perfect everyrime. They are like the tank of the tradbow world. Love them

[@jaredgreen2524]

I just got my first custom longbow from Instinctive Addiction Archery out of Athens, AL. About a month ago. It shoots incredible.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep they build a mighty fine bow

[@jake4194]

I heard they don't make bows anymore is that true?

[@mattdelarede9673]

You’ve got to ask yourself a question. What does that “mass” bow do that the custom bow does better? The answer is NOTHING. They all do the same damn thing and they do it well. I own several custom bows, big money bows. I own like 8 “cheapy” bows. The one I find myself going to all the time is the Black Hunter. It handles great, shoots great. What more could you want. Slam banging it around the woods or on the boat. Great video. Great advice.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Well said. And I hear that black hunter is an excellent bow. Know quite a few people that own it!

[@johnhildenbrand2642]

I adore my mass produced Sage variant, most of all because of how easy it is to change out limbs for different draw weights. They also take a whole lot of game. If I wanted to go competition I could add stabilizers etc too, and all for less than a single custom from most of the custom guys. I still intend to buy a couple of custom bows one day when the money is right, but I don't think I will ever sell this one

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep the sage is absolutely fantastic.

[@davidsmith2316]

Welcome to Georgia, brother! Big fan of your podcasts and videos.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Thank you. Excited to get down there full time

[@normandocaban1817]

Amend brother ! Excellent sermon……I’ve shot many over the counter mass produce bows and have ordered custom made bows that were made to my specific draw and shooting style. In the end the difference is minimal, now my only caution is to be careful of non laminated hard wood Chinese made risers. I almost lost an eye when the beautifully dyed soft wood and bamboo riser literally delaminated and exploded during my draw.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep lots of great custom and mass produced bows out there. I jave seen both come apart as well. Fortunately today bows blowing up are very rare with the amazing glues available today

[@fishingkayakssa7956]

I have a Samick Sage in my collection, it is a fantastic bow, I use 30" carbon feathered, 500 spines. The arrows I use fly like darts. Its a absolute gem of a bow, I have extras plungers etc, BUT still shoot off the shelf as I enjoy it, and to achieve a side plate group at 22m is a breeze with this bow, it is not only a starter bow as some call it, you can take plenty species of African game with this bow, its a lovely bow.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep such an amazing bow

[@fishingkayakssa7956]

@@SamkoTradBow Yep offers a lot of extras on the bow and the quiver i'snt mounted on the limbs, it also looks like a custom built riser, great value.

[@davisstellman]

I got a 45# @28" samick sage when I was 14 (first trad bow) and I still shoot that bow today. The only issue with it is people like me with longer than 29" draws cus boy does it stack fast like 4-5lbs at the last inch for my drawlength. Still love the bow but my freak draw length has made it a challenge. That Samick sage was probably the best purchase I ever made they really work awesome. Now I'm getting a #50@29" toelke SSLR in a few months because many production bows are just less consistent for people with longer drawlengths because of stacking. That issue is largely eliminated in Bears and some other production bows. I believe Sammick had a 64" production bow for longer drawlengths too so you're absolutely right. Production bows work awesome.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Great point! I think most mass bows are designed for 28 and under draw lengths to meet the majority of people. i have never felt a bow stack as i only draw 26 inches..lol

[@joedaniels4646]

This is a great video just straight up real talk, and the truth that you don't hear too often! I have a Lwano Wolf bow that only cost me $106 including tax and it looks just like the bow in your hands, probably the exact same thing but copied from China (Just like there are several different brands of the Black Hunter bow.) with same riser, limbs, etc! (The SWA Spyder takedown recurve bow also looks a lot like it.) I would put my Lwano Wolf bow against any bow out there - I'm just not a great archer so any problems with accuracy is a user problem, not a bow problem. I also have made 3 of my own Molegabet bows (a 50lb, 40lb, & 35lb) out of Red Oak boards and I enjoy shooting them as much, some times more, than any of the 4 bought bows I have! One day I may have a real bowyer make me a bow, but don't really have the extra money to do that, and I can make my own for under $25 and they turned out fine. (I will admit that it took me a few attempts to build my own bows, but finally after viewing a lot of video's on how to make them, reading books, and trial and error I got pretty good at it.) Anyway sorry for being long winded - God bless you and your family Sir!

[@SamkoTradBow]

Well said and you are right. That bow will last a lifetime and work perfectly. Plus is awesome that you are also making your own bows!

[@HondoTrailside]

If you look at an early custom house like Bighorn, in the Asbell, and Behn days, all the commercial bows didn't even have shelves on them, they were designed to be shot off an elevated rest. But Fred's personal bow wasn't. Asbell would sell you a shelf low to your hand, and other features designed to make the bow shoot better instinctive. It made a big difference. But now that we are back to shooting sights, there is a tremendous opportunity to get some of those old bows out of the cupboard and shoot them, gap or sights, and get them back in the game.

[@johnjriggsarchery2457]

Hi, I've been enjoying your videos. To me the perfect bow is the one that works.

[@SamkoTradBow]

agree 100%

[@HondoTrailside]

My pal who shoots the power bows, 80 and up, 3 piece recurves. He has blown up a half dozen bows. Even the custom bows can't take the heat. He used to be a Can dealer for Widow. He blew up several of those, Whippens. That guy in BC who was all the rage for a while. Etc... So you can't even get the heavy bows in a Sammick and you really need someone who specializes in heavy bows, if that is what you want. (He shoots plenty heavy arrows). I actually think the problem is he leaves his bows strung, as recommenced. However, heavy bows don't seem to be able to take it.

[@terrymattson3587]

Well said brother, I’ve shot custom to 3 different black widows, Bear, Martin and had the bottom fall out from under me sold most my stuff. I cried for selling my favorite longbow Moad thunder stick. II’m now shooting a 64” $200 dollar Korean made D bow. It shoots fast and straight. But I want a custom ASL with what I want. My name favorite bible text on it and it’s going with me when I die. I saved my money and ordered it.

[@SamkoTradBow]

You nailed it! Custom bows are great and mass produced bows are also great. Can't go wrong with any bow today

[@theamputeehunter2074]

Thanks for making this video I’ve seen that a lot in groups and I’m shooing a Montana longbow and I absolutely love it and it’ll be my forever bow and I’m glad you made this please keep up the good work and I’m glad you keep it real

[@hpsbowsandblades4319]

Dude I loved my Montana for a month then it cracked but I’m glad you like yours

[@theamputeehunter2074]

@@hpsbowsandblades4319 sorry to hear that

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep the Montana has been around forever and is a damn fine longbow!

[@johnriggs9016]

I shot 6 years of 1000 arrow weeks with my beat up 40 pound bear Montana. A custom bowyer could shave off some tip weight, fine tiller, other a different color beside black, help a local bowyer.

[@christophervaughan1650]

Steve makes a fine longbow! I have a NM classic myself!

[@SamkoTradBow]

He sure does! Glad you love yours

[@DIXIECRAWLER13]

I love my custom bows but I also have a sage and a black hunter all are awsome bows sure I prefer my custom hybrid longbow but I swear those sages and black hunters are bulletproof no matter how I've abused them they just take it

[@SamkoTradBow]

Agree 100%

[@thewhiskybowman]

Sammick Sages are great little bows for the money, it's what I recommend to new members at our field archery club if they are looking to get something when they are starting out, well unless they want to go full Olympic recurve or compound of course. At the weekend I was explaining point on distance to someone who was shooting their Sage and we went to the 80 yard target to find theirs. It was 80 yards dead on, the power in that wee bow honestly baffled me as that is further back than others at my club that shoot Border Bows Covert Hunters with HEX 9 limbs at higher poundages. Those bows cost in the thousands. They may not be as pretty, or as flashy, but they do the job just fine, plus they are great for kids, as you pointed out you can get higher poundage limbs so as they get older the bow can grow with them. I have never had the chance to use a Bear bow, but I have no doubt they are great bows to shoot as well.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Awesome. And love that you are helping people get into traditional archery!

[@thewhiskybowman]

@@SamkoTradBow We actually have a fair few shooting trad. but there is a nice mix of styles. We are hoping to add a full 3d course as well as our existing field course in the next year, so I imagine that will encourage even more into giving trad. a try as well. While it can be frustrating at times mostly it's just a lot of fun!

[@SamkoTradBow]

@@thewhiskybowman love it! Well done!

[@TheWVgoodguy22]

A good point one does not have to “upgrade” from one of those under $200 three piece bows to kill consistently for many years. I had a 2006 PSE Fire Flite compound that I got cheap while working at Cabela’s. I only recently updated to a PRIME Black 3 (2020 bow) late last summer after 14 years. Mostly because I wanted the parallel limbs to put a bow stand on since I hunt a lot from the ground. As I have mentioned a few times I plan on going with a 3 piece takedown like the Sages or Black Hunter or similar bows or I may look on the used market for Bear 🐻 Bow 🏹. I checked Lancaster Archery 🏹 Supply and their recurves are $399-$730. Not too bad and as long as one takes care of those bows like anything else they can last a lifetime and be passed down even. Just like with rifles, one could use and shoot accurately with something in the Savage Axis, Ruger American, Winchester XPR, Remington 700 ADL price class and use it forever to take multiple game to fill the freezer and never need a custom rifle or a high end factory offering.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Well said. And your right about the rifles. Anybody who turns his nose up at the sight of a ruger American or axis doesn't know anything about guns

[@TheWVgoodguy22]

@@SamkoTradBow Well thank you and yes I have had many customers and watched many reviewers praise the accuracy of those rifles. Value is the intersection of price and performance. 🏹🦌🦃

[@danielwalker8481]

Here here! Well said! And welcome to Georgia!

[@SamkoTradBow]

Thank you and thank you

[@HondoTrailside]

I remember looking at the bows Fred actually shot in his videos. They looked a lot more like the widow limbs, narrow and deep, than the bows they actually sold. There was always a part in his videos where they would toss a bow to the ground on a talus slope, or use the bow aggressively to ford a river. You could tell that what people wanted when they bought those bows was a bow that could take abuse. They didn't have chronographs, so performance wasn't really a thing.

[@mikeenos4040]

Yes your right ,if you do your homework and good setup ,arrow weight and practice .you can take any game or any target.. Custom bows are nice too but you need to know exactly what you want before jumping in custom bow land. A lot of man hours go into a custom bow and the sky the limit. Just learn to shoot well that's the main thing

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep so many great bows out there Mass produced or custom. Lots of amazing options

[@dsdssdsd283]

There's actually a classic and simplistic vibe with mass produced bows especially well made, time tested models. I'm drawn to them even with a few custom bows that I own and constantly find myself browsing catalogs of bear, damon howatt and hoyt.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep those are all very great bows by great companies

[@ArcheryGeek]

Absolutely, with one caveat - you can buy some accuracy at the higher levels of the sport but for 95% of us mass produced bows are good. I do like supporting bowyers if I can though. Good vid!

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep love my custom bows and love supporting individual bowyers. But mass bows sure do puffer alot of bow for the money

[@tradmanmike3360]

LET'S FACE THE FACTS! ONCE BITTEN BY THE WITCHERY OF ARCHERY, WE WANT THEM ALL!!! 🤣😂 I HAVE WAY TOO MANY, JUST ASK MY WIFE! AND YES! NO SUCH THING AS A BAD TRAD BOW! THEY ALL MAKE PURE JOY IN THE FALL. ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO. ALWAYS THUMBS UP! GEORGIA???😱

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep its really easy to suddenly have too many bows. But my wife thinks the new ones are :just bows i already had that i sent out to be refinished...😆😆 Glad you enjoyed the video!

[@1xayekim]

Great video, for me this year I ended up in a position where I shot one way for a while and started learning a different drawing technique and now Im shooting my Samick Sage I bought 10 years ago because I reshaped the grip into a low wrist grip and my 900 dollar longbow is not in that shape and its too small to reshape so now Im shooting a when I bought it 120 dollar bow haha... Eventually I ll order a nice bow just because I like certain materials in my bows (micarta denser woods) but for now the Samick Sage is shooting harder and much more accurate and that is what got my turkey and hope to get every thing else in the fall with it.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep such great bows. Love the sage! And congrats on the turkey

[@stephenjones7090]

I agree completely - Actually with fiber glass bows, don't need to take off the string everytime.

[@SamkoTradBow]

correct.

[@jatbatman]

So I collect knives. I will compare this to the knife realm. Some people look down on the cheaper knives. I have seen videos implying that if you aren't carrying a $200, $500, or even $1000 dollar knife it's not worth it. My most expensive knife was $250, but it's not even one of the knives I carry anymore. I carry a $25, $50, and $80 knives (yes I carry three) when I'm not working, and a $40 knife when I am. Why? Because they do the job. Yes some cheap knives are junk, but most will do what you need. I imagine bows to be very similar. You'll get different materials, maybe something hand made, by paying more. There's guys that look down on anything less because it makes them feel superior. A super cheap one could be dangerous, but even relatively cheap ones will do exactly what you need it to. Oh and another similarity I see is the variety. Yes in knives there's only so many materials and blade shapes, and in bows there's only so many materials and styles, but both can be found in very unique combinations. Oh and there's the fact they're both fun and practical. Well crap this could get expensive if I keep finding similarities and start collecting bows too. 😂😂 I do have my grandpa's old compound and long bow, as well as a cross bow. I definitely would like a couple of others, but... Yeah it's looking like I might end up collecting these as well. Lol

[@SamkoTradBow]

🤣🤣🤣 your already in the rabbit hole now! Should start buying bows!! I do agree with everything you said and the knives were a perfect example.

[@jatbatman]

@@SamkoTradBow but they're an expensive hobby. 😂

[@TheHYENA87]

Congratulations on the move!

[@SamkoTradBow]

Thank you

[@ironmikehallowween]

I do want a custom bow just to have. I shoot a bear bow mostly now, and I am pretty good with that grizzly. I have some older Ben Pearsons, and a few older bear bows as well. I got my daughters and my girlfriend Samick bows. They are pretty good shooting bows. My draw length is 32 inches and, the bear bows can take my draw length, and I haven’t found anything better yet. Thanks for the video.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep all those are amazing bows

[@cornholio8098]

I had to choose between a stalker stickbow that was preowned and a bear td kodiak. Bothe at a similar priece point. Ended up with the bear , just because stuff ia replaceable. If something breaks u pay up to 400 to get a pair of limbs. If i would have to get new limbs for a stalker there would be hundreds of dollars in shipping / import alone.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Both great bows. I would of took the bear in that situation as well

[@wv.bowhunter6094]

Sage's are good bows I got 1 and the 64 in journey. Taken a few deer with both of them.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep fantastic bows

[@wv.bowhunter6094]

If you get a chance try the Tbow ILF recurve. It's just a Hoyt satori clone. I bought one and love it.

[@KageStelhman]

One of my favorite things is to go up against a custom bow shooter during a tournament with my black hunter recurve and totally smoke them at 40 yards... dead center and stacking one arrow on top of the other. As I totally reiterate in anyone that I'm teaching to shoot. It's not the bow... It's the Archer

[@SamkoTradBow]

Very true. And the black hunter bow is a fantastic bow

[@chadwaiwaiole7761]

Always fall back on my black hunter recurve. Accurate and faster as any other I have.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep great bow

[@HondoTrailside]

Modern custom bows are mainly pimping out exercises of questionable taste. It used to be that custom bows were sold on performance, but there are too many makers all of a sudden, and mostly they are selling fancy wood, and designs. Who was the last bowyer who sold his gear on the basis it was better?

[@waquezulfiqar9954]

Thanks for this video

[@SamkoTradBow]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@PhilippeOrlando]

I wish you could have a video comparing the Samick with the Black Hunter.

[@SamkoTradBow]

I dont have a black hunter. Sorry I can't so the comparison

[@Bowfella]

It amazes me how caught up in brand names and cost that people get. Especially with traditional bows which are entirely dependant on your ability to shoot and has nothing to do with the quality of the bow. You can spend thousands of dollars on a fantastic recurve but it's worthless if you don't know how to shoot it.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Very true. We will never be able to shoot better than any bow out there can. we are the weak link in shoot ability

[@HondoTrailside]

"Is there any reason to believe it won't put the arrows..." That is the big deal with archery, there is no way to measure accuracy bow to bow. It is fundamentally all about accuracy, but we have no standardized measurement, as we do with Ransom rests, or benchrests. The assumption is that every bow out there is every bit as accurate, with properly spined arrows. That seems very unlikely to me, but it is where we are.

[@caseysmith544]

Bear makes some of the best but watch out for Bear bows made from 2010 to 2015/2016 as the risers on some models tended to fall apart due to poor quality selection of the type of wood used. Bearpaw also makes very similar bows since the late 1960's after they stopped carrying the Ben Person bows, often used in Europe for 3D shooting.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Never heard that about the bear bows. Know alot of people that shoot and love them. Such great bows. Always have been and always will be!

[@Ed-ts4bj]

Probably can buy a good recurve off the shelf. But I have a PSE Heritage that can’t be tuned, it comes off the string with the tail kicked hard to my left, with large enough feathers it’ll fishtail back to straight. But this bow can’t be tuned to shoot true!

[@SamkoTradBow]

That sounds like bad arrow spine to me. Never met a bow that could get an arrow to fly. Before you spend money on another bow try a different arrow spine

[@franklinfx]

compounds are better for bowfishing out of a small jon boat or canoe since you dont have to stand up or wrestle with it getting stuck under the seats

[@SamkoTradBow]

Glad it works great for you. I prefer longbows in all senerios

[@kevinemard5370]

Ive noticed the black hunter shoots faster then the samick sage must be the bamboo core

[@SamkoTradBow]

Not sure. Never shot a bow through a chrono. But they both shoot amazing

[@adamsecret9912]

Nuff said...Great video!

[@SamkoTradBow]

Thank you

[@andrewv5994]

I shot a sage and it was a good shooter. I don't own 1 personally i shoot a pse coyote 2 mainly but i may get a samick sage 1 of these days in the near future.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Both great bows

[@andrewv5994]

@@SamkoTradBowi enjoyer too many bows the store bought and the ones as a bowyer it's hard to choose between so many when it's time to hunt ☺.

[@caseysmith544]

What you want to avoid are the super cheapo special bows made extra mass production from China. Those bows where just the bow is under $50 bran new, not a used cheaper bow, a got lucky bow at a garage sale/E--bay or is a kids bow at most 20 pounds is not worth getting. Even the better kids 60 inch long all fiberglass bows in the 25--30 pound bows or 30--35 pound bows like some Bear models, the PSE Snake as for several reasons avoid the SAS Snake, or SAS Robinhood are going to be at $50 or more when bran new as the best starter bows for people who have never done archery.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Never heard of or seen those. But I'm sure there are a ton of bows I know nothing about now a days

[@HondoTrailside]

Guys that are new to archery, don't know the history of trad. Custom bows were significantly better than commercial bows at one time: 1) No question they were faster. You can see the performance range in the Trad Bowyers of America book. But bows are all built with basically the same materials, so you can't keep secrets. 4o years later is a Widow faster? Today, you can spend 80 bucks and get a carbon foam ILF set, so performance may even be superior in the crap bow segment. It was the case that back in the 80s we were shooting 210 fps out of our bows. Guys are happy with 150 today, because they aren't thinking of making an Africa trip, and they are shooting sights, from a known distance. It is a more practical approach, just not what we used to do. Archers today are more ethical. 2) Built to your dimensions. Excuse me, but I don't think everyone is a fat slob and 5' 9". I'm 6'1" but not super strong, still a lot of commercial bows stack for me. I am actually upper body 6'3". I have a friend who easily shot 80 pound bows, and won provincial championships, for decades. I don't think Sammick can keep up with him. But if you shoot whitetails from 16 yards (a very good strategy), use a sighting system, and all the best arrows etc... you really can get by with cheap crap bows. Why buy a Sammick when you could get a Pearson Pony for a lot less. You can still punch your deer every year. It is a rush to nail deer with a bow I would never have considered, flaking finish, old guy draw weight. We have learned our lesson. 3) back when everything was instinctive, finding that bow that fit like a Best shotgun, and was faster made a big difference. But shooting gap, it doesn't mater. Shooting Whitetails it doesn't mater. Setting up inside 20 yards, it doesn't mater.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Good points but here is the question. The line is so thin these days. If samick made 3 different size limbs and weights to 80 pounds and charged 5 times as much would many people think of it as a entry level bow? It would basically be like the hoyt recurve and all the other high end recurves. The only limitation to the samick is its only offered in 1 limb size and low weights. But for 95% of people it's a fantastic bow and will do everything they could ever need and for a dirt cheap price.

[@Bad_BowHunter]

Great message!

[@SamkoTradBow]

Thank you

[@the.reel.mccoy.]

Great outlook!

[@SamkoTradBow]

Thanks

[@soconseven6972]

Have been shooting an old Shakespeare for forty years was my fathers be for me. Still puts arrows were I send them

[@SamkoTradBow]

Thats awesome that you are shooting your dad's bow! And yeobit will keep putting arrows where it's suppose to foe generations to come.

[@davetoms63]

I also have a sage and I'm sorry I disagree with you it has a very flat shelf, the limb tips are not aggressive at all, the limb attachments have a lot of slop in them, I have many custom recurves that will flat out shoot and have far better performance at the same weight, the shelf is cut more friendly for shooting off the shelf, etc. The higher end bear recurves are far better, and a custom recurve is far superior. Can a person hunt and kill with it... absolutely.... but there are far better bows, with better limb design, better shelves, better grips, etc.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Lots of options and opinions out there and something for everyone. We have 4 sage bows in my house and I love everyone of them. Great bows and for the money they are absolutely top shelf. We're else can you get a bow like that and extra set of limbs for 200 bucks total that will last a lifetime and serve anyone well. Love the sage and what it's designed to be. Strong, functional, and affordable.

[@silversurfer233]

Samick sage recurve bows are made in South Korea

[@SamkoTradBow]

Good to know. Thank you

[@africanwidow]

Yes/No. Custom bows may have overall better and more solid quality in all areas like riser and limbs. Better gluing, degree of tolerances etc. Custom bows can take more abuse, better service, better looking. And to some degree, just better shooters. Perhaps less hand shock etc. Not all bows shoot the same. Would've liked you to shot the bows individually and then put the vids in the main video. Yet much of what you said here is really good! Enjoy the southern hospitality and hot Georgia weather. I will try to see your bear in the Bear Den pizzeria... the end of June!

[@SamkoTradBow]

I dont agree with some of that stuff and I sure do love my custom bows. But for the money the quality of mass bows available today are amazing! You will love the bears den! Make sure you give yourself some extra time to look around the place and the pizza is second to none!

[@brian1674]

Much appreciation for what said here…you and Kramer @ Shatterproof archery tell the truth and actually help people…good stuff!

[@SamkoTradBow]

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.

[@ThePjpulvermacher]

are you a lefty? i want that martin!! lol that is a sweet bow

[@SamkoTradBow]

I am lefty! I'm gonna use that Martin mamba to kill a deer and a hog in 2023 as that will be my 30th year traditional and that Martin is the only bow I've owned that I never killed a big game animal with and I've owned it for 30 years!

[@racerdaveracerdave]

Great video. We get enough elitism in the political and media worlds. We don't need it in our hobbies.

[@SamkoTradBow]

100% perfectly said!!

[@toddr5732]

Do you know anything about October mountain bows? perhaps they're made by samick and re-branded?

[@SamkoTradBow]

I do not. Never heard of them. But with the processes mass produced bows are made with today I bet its a great how for the monet. Since the sage came out many never companies have private labeled similar bows

[@sheerwillsurvival2064]

I started with a recurve in the 70s but my arthritis won’t let me draw one again 😕 Great video 👊🏻

[@caseysmith544]

Use a Compound like a Gen--X or Genesis--X without a sight to lessen the pain with a bow with the finger savers as well as the tab/glove since this is like one of the last models of compound that can be fired without a release tool and works fine without a sight. This is if the pain is not so bad you have to use a crossbow/get the special license.

[@sheerwillsurvival2064]

@@caseysmith544 I had a Mathews creed dialed it down and used wrist strap but at my state of degeneration it’s easier to not blow a shot and now just use gun . Thanks for the advice though greatly appreciate your help

[@caseysmith544]

@@sheerwillsurvival2064 Sorry to hear that, I bet you still with doctors notes could get special license to use a Crossbow that is more traditional than a modern one.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep arthritis makes a trad bow tough. But hopefully you can still get out and enjoy some woods time!

[@caseysmith544]

@@SamkoTradBow A more traditional type of crossbow is what might help if he wanted to get closer to what he did, he could probably get the special permits to hunt with a crossbow. if he is too far gone in arthritis then a gun is fine I do gun hunting too for some animals as it is not legal to hunt with a bow like a few smaller game birds in season or others I am not ready to bow hunt traditional like Deer and would not want a compound as it would be nearly the same as hunting with a 20 gauge shotgun with best distance 40--50 yards and with aiming would be similar since I would probably go with the older small circle with dot type T sight that is still made today by Chinese companies.

[@chickimac1]

Where about in Georgia? I live in northeast Georgia 😊

[@SamkoTradBow]

South West ga.

[@davidware8496]

Jason, that sage makes you look short, lol. Great video though

[@SamkoTradBow]

I am short🤣🤣🤣

[@shanedarden5238]

What was the name of the 2 guys that's shoot the bear bows? I couldn't quite understand the last names

[@christopherbishop6767]

Bryan Burkhardt and Jim Eeckout. Google them and moose hunt. Stickbow Chronicles podcast. Pretty cool.

[@SticksSteelAboveBelow]

Samick is Korean made and is an awesome shooter 👏 😎

[@BigJimsBowCompany]

Samick is, but not their cheaper models like the sage.. definitely made in China. BigJim

[@SamkoTradBow]

Love our samick sage bows!

[@SamkoTradBow]

@@BigJimsBowCompany yep but still great bows! We have best the crap out of the sages and they have been awesome. Obviously not like custom bows, but fantastic bows nonetheless.

[@theinsanekidxx9664]

Love you channel keep up the great work who were the 2 names you said to look up or if you can drop me a link to there channel I am struggling to find good content of people hunting with the every day equipment thanks heaps 👍🏹

[@SamkoTradBow]

Jim eechout on youtube and Instagram. And Bryan Burkhardt on Instagram

[@theinsanekidxx9664]

@@SamkoTradBow thanks heaps mate 👍🏹

[@RedmanOutdoors366]

Very cool 😎👍💯🇺🇲

[@stevedriscoll2539]

I can't finish this video Jason. I like all your other videos, but I disagree with you in strong terms over a lot of what you are selling here. I will admit that these bows are decent shooters. I overpaid for one back in the late 1990's. Paid $225.00. Mine said Kiowa on it but it was identical in every detail to the bow you are holding (I can't even stomach to say the name). My first set of limbs delaminated. I had left the bow strung in a hot car on a decently hot day. I only had one successful hunt with that bow. I believe it had "bad medicine". I think people should reject these bows out of this principle alone: Chinese products have flooded this economy and virtually destroyed it...I will not even argue this point, I shouldn't have to, I'm 58, and I've seen a few things. Secondly, and this is related: the Chinese rip off so many U.S. designs; they do not respect U.S. patent laws...shameful. I think of all the wonderful custom Bowyer's who have gone under because so many people buy these products. I am glad I no longer own that particular bow. I have to confess, when I started this rant, I forgot that, I actually did buy a different Chinese made recurve a while back, but even though it looks good and is a decent shooter, I will probably sell it at some point since I don't really shoot it and hopefully my conscience will bother me until I get rid of it ((I way prefer my Vintage Bear and Pearson recurves, and my custom reflex/deflex longbow by Hutch (a prolific Sportsman/Hunter/Builder of Primitive and Traditional Bows:a,true Renaissance Man) ). I really wish you hadn't made this video. But, I still like you and will continue to watch your other videos, thanks

[@SamkoTradBow]

this video was very important to alot of people. and all thoughts on china aside, these bows are very good today and hundreds of people ask me about them a year. many of witch would never get into traditional archery if these were not available. and im very happy with the 4 samick sages hanging in my bow rack. They have served us well and will continue to.

[@duckrivermama66]

Anybody know anything about the Monsour Archery bows? Please, I'm thinking about getting one, because they are one of the few that are within my budget.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Never heard of that bow. But also check out the samick sage and the black hunter bows. Excellent bows and very affordable

[@duckrivermama66]

@@SamkoTradBow It's more than twice the cost of the one I asked about. I was looking at the 53" takedown bow. Runs about $60.

[@chuckminick9511]

Glad to hear that your not a bow snob

[@SamkoTradBow]

Nope! Live my custom bows and have always shot custom bows because I like picking my woods, having it built custom for me, etc. But we have always had a stable full of mass bows and love everyone of them. If I ever seen someone disrespect or belittle someone for shooting a sage or other mass produced bow I'd have a very very hard time not kicking that person in the nuts!

[@chuckminick9511]

@@SamkoTradBow I just received a text saying I had been selected in a give away sounds kinda sketchy ?

[@SamkoTradBow]

@@chuckminick9511 it's not from me. Report them if you see it again

[@Nick-wn1xw]

Elitism is a turnoff in any field. Great video.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Glad you enjoyed it.