Are Milwaukee Forge Batteries Better?

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

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[@ProToolsApproved]

Very well explained! Thank you.

[@richiejames928]

I’m starting to care much more about the form factor of the batteries over runtime and power these days… these new batteries are getting bigger heavier and more limited to use. it’s nicer working tools all day with lighter smaller batteries… there’s not even a runtime argument as I always have two more on the charger ready to go anyway. tool companies. we want smaller lighter batteries, not bigger heavier more expensive batteries. thanks for coming to my ted talk.

[@gf2e]

I agree. I am usually working near a car or RV with a charger. I don’t mind swapping batteries. I kinda want something like the AirPods where you have a small charging dock with a big battery to top off your tiny batteries. :)

[@N1rOx]

Depends on the tool. I want the largest and most powerful battery on my Mitre saw and Table saw. Same with my Vacuum. I don't want a large battery on my drill however. Having the option is good and I'm glad Makita finally addressed user choice when it jumped to 40v. We want all sized batteries because no size battery fits all!

[@draytonPW]

Agreed 💯. Milwaukee is missing a Powerstack equivalent.

[@wessel7972]

Vacuum needs a lot, festool vac with the 2x 8ah is still not long enough, Makita xgt with 2x 8ah is pretty good, also with 2x 5ah is good and only use 1 battery at once.

[@ClipsByMiles]

Exactly. The little 1.7Ah dewalt powerstack is such an underrated battery. They provide plenty of current for smaller tools, and they're so light. Probably my most used battery, and I never though I'd say that.

[@derekschommer1465]

Still waiting for a smaller battery like a new forge 3.0 to run my impact with

[@timothybayliss6680]

I am a small battery purist. There is the 2.5ho for m12 tools that use high output cells but no 2.5ho m18 with high output cells. The 3.0ho doesnt make sense to me, its too expensive and heavy for what you get.

[@TheFanatic340]

seeming the forge is smaller I'd hope it would follow in line and make a 4ah that would be about the size of the old 3 H.O

[@letitbe90210]

I have a red lithium battery that is like an inch thick. You can get them in various sizes...😊

[@christopherpavlicas]

The Red Lithium HO CP3.0 batteries are my go-to for all my fastening needs from screws to lags. They are lightweight and powerful enough to drive home 8-inch lags, not to mention they have a more stable base for my impact driver and drill. When I put them down, they keep my tools upright.

[@Wind_slash0]

Same. Need a dedicated battery that is lighter, compact, and powerful for impact wrench use

[@wrefk]

Going to be exciting to see their new motor put into more tools, drill and grinder in particular.

[@deezyperformance]

I just want a super compact 2.0. This small Dewalt powerstacks are great.

[@ThriftyToolShed]

Nice batteries! They look awesome. The tab connections look very interesting. Thanks for sharing!

[@devengohman3037]

I play a big role in a construction company in North Dakota. We own over 40 milwaukee battery's. Our tools have a tough life and the forge battery's are better and the only kind we buy anymore

[@johng4527]

Does make sense that the 8ah and the 12ah charge in the same amount of time. If the cells are the same, then the charge time could be the same. Just depends if the charger can supply enough current for all the cells; which apparently that supercharger can. which I'm guessing is about 24 amps max on the 12ah and about 16ah on the 8ah. which means that supercharger at it's peak is pushing nearly 500 watts into the battery. nice. side note: I wish tool battery chargers had selectable modes. Fast charging is nice when you need it, but not so nice for the battery when you don't. Ideally i would like to see "Fast, slow, and storage" modes. Storage mode would be for only charging to about 50%. For now, I keep old chargers around just for the purpose of slow charging my batteries.

[@riba2233]

Yeah that would be nice.

[@THEBEARDEDTOOLGUY]

Would love for MILWAUKEE to make a 4 AMP FORGE BATTERY for about $160 I would buy 2 of them

[@GunnarsMassageoPizza]

Yes, I would love that.

[@riba2233]

160 for a pack that literally contains five 3$ cells? Yeah I wouldn't be too excited about that

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

🤣

[@seventeenseventysix4817]

$160? Hell no! $100 is what a 4amp (ah) forge should be MSRP.

[@seventeenseventysix4817]

@@riba2233Right? What the hell! A 2 pack of 4ah Forge batteries should be $160. Max.

[@robd3061]

Great comparison and info, thanks.

[@THEBEARDEDTOOLGUY]

I GOT My 12 AMP FORGE BATTERY ABOUT 2 WEEKS ago and I SWEAR It HAS MORE POWER TO DRIVE LAGS AND SAW WOOD THEN THE 6 AMP FORGE BATTERY DOES

[@riba2233]

Ofc, it has plenty more power.

[@James_M_Jay]

You get a free 8.0 forge if you buy a 12.0 forge at home depot right now.

[@THEBEARDEDTOOLGUY]

@@James_M_Jay or you get the DUEL RAPID CHARGER with 8 AMP FORGE and get Another 8 AMP FORGE BATTERY for free then RETURN the Free 8 AMP FORGE and only pay $240 for the Charger and 8 AMP FORGE BATTERY

[@jasoningram2006]

Or if you return the 8.0 to home Depot you get a refund on it for $110 thus making that 12.0 Forge only cost $138

[@nathanledden3892]

I assume there is no IP rating if the airflow and holes are so exposed?

[@ZEPR0FESS0RR]

It’s somewhat water proof because the batteries and electronics have a proprietary insulating gel that waterproofs the battery and protects it from dust.. they haven’t given a IP rating for that though

[@jasoningram2006]

What's his face that says everything in a weird way has a short of him hosing it down from inches away with a water hose for several minutes then shook it off and it ran no issues.

[@Derek-tk4wf]

The 6.0 and 8.0 Forge's are the same price here in the states at Home Depot, and maybe other places. $199 usd. So for the same size and weight but longer runtime, the 6.0 makes no sense to buy anymore. With the High Outputs, there was/is only a $20 difference between the two as far as msrp. I can find the 8 HO for less than the 6 online often.

[@dcl97]

The 6.0 is a pouch cell, vs the 8 and 12 being tabless. While both can deliver higher outputs per cell, you don't get the same longevity benefits that pouch cells offer. Tabless do offer some charge cycle benefits relative to standard cells as well, but not to the same extent.

[@riba2233]

​@@dcl97 you are kidding right? Pouch cells will have a worse cycle life and reliability in general...

[@Viskoze]

$199 you say? I just bought the regular 12 HO for 280 euros (~$310), it was basically the cheapest price with a discount (!), I could find, at a reputable shop in my country. 6.0 Forge was about 100 eur more. It is moments like this, when I truly think, it's nice to be born in USA

[@riba2233]

@@Viskoze please don't buy Milwaukee if you are in Europe, it doesn't make any sense

[@timothybayliss6680]

You can find 6.0ho for $79US from licensed retailers. Home Depot had 6.0/3.0HO packs, two batteries, on clearance for $90US. the 6.0HO is great value

[@wrefk]

Would be nice to see the temperature after charging, how effective are those vents and fan

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

Yeah, I should have done that.

[@TheFanatic340]

mine felt no different than room temperature less than 2 minutes after the charge had finished. works amazing

[@tcbkkb1]

Do the vent design add more risk to water on the bottom of tool intrusion and failure?

[@bourkey07]

The forge batteries also have a grease resistant casing. They are quite expensive compared to the high outputs, so feedback on that will be interesting.

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

Yes, I should have elaborated more when I said what the casing was made from.

[@rowankeltizar5961]

They are rated for 1200 cycle charges with a 3 year warranty compared to 400cycles with a 1 year warranty. I think that says a lot.

[@DealArtist824]

@@rowankeltizar5961 hadn't heard that, would be a game changer as I have 2 8's and 2 12's on the way to try out! Thanks bud! They def need competition to the smaller 1.7 powerstack though.

[@r0000g]

How well would the COOL CYCLE batteries handle getting dropped in a gallon of water or a bucket of paint?

[@billyboyd418]

They have a coating on the electronics, don’t know how that would work with paint but water would not affect it.

[@Longtimerolling]

Thanks for doing that.. Nice review.

[@BatteryTestChannel]

Fake batteries! Sorry, I couldn’t resist. Great video as always! I can’t believe you made the music as well lol. Fantastic! (To be clear - No, they are not fake. That was a joke. The Milwaukee batteries look like that outside the US)

[@THEBEARDEDTOOLGUY]

And I have the RYOBI EDGE BATTERY nice and Small and have the RIDGID 4 AMP MAX OUTPUT EXP BATTERY Going to be TESTING it out too

[@patbird9694]

Making tool reviews cool. Tools.

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

Cheers.

[@toolscientist]

30:37 aah, there's Milwaukee's patented J2-bounce technology 😂

[@JoyfulJapaneseMaples-us7on]

What is going on with a different pressing of the buttons for the different/ various amounts of time. No matter how many times I press the button or how long I hold it it does nothing it just shows me the battery power??

[@jasonvandervalk3679]

I own both and they don't seem any different in power and run time

[@UnderBakedOverEngineered]

Would definately be curious to see how the 8.0 Forge compares to the 4040F for the router.

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

I might get around to testing that...

[@TranTek]

Milwaukee and DeWalt use Ampace JP40 which a division owned by CATL Makita 4040F use Murata VX40 which supposed to be higher quality time will tell

[@toolscientist]

Did Milwaukee NZ tell you anything about the flash codes?

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

Nope

[@THEBEARDEDTOOLGUY]

IF You Have the DUEL BATTERY CHAIN saw TRY TWO 6 AMP FORGE BATTERIES VS TWO 12 AMP FORGE BATTERIES would be Interesting to see what's FASTER cutting Down a TREE POUCH CELLS or TABLESS

[@riba2233]

Tabless for sure, much higher max power

[@llubi]

So, still not BMS that control discharge and make active/passive cell balance? 😢

[@reginalb124]

That's a sweet multimeter.

[@txvet7738]

It’s time for Hercules to come out with a tabless cell battery since everyone is starting to come out with them!

[@robertfowler3457]

Any plans to test the new M12 Brad Nailer against the Makita 40v??

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

Watch this space.

[@riba2233]

​@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL can't wait to see that!

[@RobertLepiz]

which company is making the battery cells? What are their specs?

[@Wind_slash0]

Most likely samsung

[@lukada83]

Do the plunge saw please.

[@riba2233]

Great vide0, I was laughing all the time at that ai song, too good haha 😅

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

What AI song??? That's me bro. Wrote the lyrics myself, hired an orchestra, spent 6 weeks in the studio to come up with this masterpiece.

[@riba2233]

@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL ah yes, sorry my mistake 🤭

[@GunnarsMassageoPizza]

Yes, music was hillarious 😂 more of this please! 🙏 😅

[@austinmarhold6358]

Could you see if there is a unique serial or qr printed on each cell? I saw a picture of 4 of these "Ampace" tabless cells having the same numbers and wanted to figure out if they are fake or not.

[@narutobroken]

Wow with all those vents I wonder about water ingress wrecking the board. Could you do a water test on these?

[@iDPG95]

A couple people have completely submerged these forge batteries in water and they work fine. Seems like they did more than enough to protect the more fragile components inside the battery pack.

[@matthewwood3394]

Good to see Milwaukee backing our Kiwi bros.

[@technologicalsingularity1788]

34:30 Dewalt 3.5Ah powerstack just came out

[@thekiwinomad]

Great video tools. One question as I have the Makita platform what batteries have the tabless cells. Unfortunately the merchants where I live don't really know that much about the different batteries

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

Currently the only Makita battery using Tabless cells is the 40v BL4040F 4Ah

[@danielreynolds6498]

That new Milwaukee telescopic pruner looks so good. Milwaukee 18 volt battery’s all ways seemed to be better power wise than makitia 18 volt battery’s hopefully makita get a tab less battery at some stage.

[@homemadelemonade976]

New 40V 4ah BL4040F has tabless cells

[@danielreynolds6498]

@@homemadelemonade976 yeah i love that battery on my top handle chainsaw.

[@trishaleaver3581]

The coating on the button will wear out if you keep rubbing it😀

[@adampetten1009]

Here's my gripe with the tabless cells of the 8 and 12 is the size. The forge 6 and dewalt pouch cells are smaller and more similar to the good old 5.0 packs. With my 6.0 XC pack on a stubby impact I hit the front of the pack quite often. It's a small gripe I know but when you see a powerstack and how small it is then it's like why didn't milwaukee do this since they push smallest form factor tools but not batteries

[@jasoningram2006]

How sales aren't as reliable they're also kind of sketchy considering that it's just a pouch and not really anything else so it could potentially be very dangerous also they have to license those batteries from Black & Decker. And lastly they don't have the same power output that their new battery tech has if I'm not mistaken I do believe that Milwaukee actually is the first ones to use that technology because I think they developed it if I'm not mistaken I could be wrong though.

[@matthewadkins9810]

Milwaukee needs to do a compact Forge battery

[@GunnarsMassageoPizza]

Yes, and Bosch as well. I use both. 😄

[@tnbspotter5360]

M12 line could use this.

[@RuBrasil]

The real problem is that Milwaukee lacks of electronics in battery and tools to manage the discharge. As a business man that have several dozens of tools I am done with Milwaukee, now all makita xgt, batteries last 3x more on average. I love the power of Milwaukee tools but financially it's a really bad choice. ❤

[@schm147]

I bought two M18 high output batteries brand new from Home Depot and after a year of occasional DIY use they stopped working once they reached less than 50% charge and I had to put them on charge again. So much for the greatest power tool company of all time.

[@RuBrasil]

@@schm147 Same sentiment here. I have a lot of Milwaukees and still love the power but this batteries issues is really a game changer. So I have the red ones as a person because I am stubborn hahah, but for my business, sorry to say, Makita xgt, it's a little more expensive since it's a 40V Line but it's made for long stints. I have a team that works in heavy metal structures that almost ride above the grinders all day long and a battery lasts almost 1 year charging like 3 or 4 times A DAY. In Milwaukee grinder it's like 3 batteries a year...

[@fredm7653]

Why would the Forge still say 12.0AH (Amp-Hours) if it has a longer runtime than the HD battery?

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

It doesn't have longer runtime. But you may get more work done on a single charge due to increased power.

[@fredm7653]

@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Thank you!

[@GunnarsMassageoPizza]

@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIALNot due to increased power. Due to less loss of energy to heat.

[@keysautorepair6038]

Are the red lithium forge 12 amp batteries pouch cells or?

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

If you watch the video, you'll find out.

[@hotdeal3156]

Now please show us how they work and if they fit on decent tools with adapters, ie Makita Can I get a pair of the 8s on a 2x18 LXT tool?

[@robertrada4783]

Milwaukee batteries don’t even fit on their own tools decently.

[@isaaccaris9530]

What abou 1 vs milwaukee tabless, vs makita tabless battery on drill

[@MrDameech]

Whats the song called in the background. Can i get it on spotify?

[@THEBEARDEDTOOLGUY]

WISH DEWALT And FLEX WOULD HAVE SOME WAY WITH Flashing lights to say Something about the CHARGER CYCLES

[@monbaby77]

Wow Bgm is awesome.

[@shanepipkin4041]

have you did a review on 36v husqvarna batteries?

[@james2042]

The extra runtime they state is because "not all ah are created equal". Basically as voltage drops, current rises and the higher the current the faster it drains. The tabless cells keep their voltage higher for longer so they're able to more efficiently deliver the current. Same amount of joules in the battery pack, just delivered more efficiently. This only matters if the tabbed cells are stressed, so running down the batteries with a fan they'll be within margin, but run it down with a leaf blower on turbo and you'll notice the runtime difference. Plus the cooler nature of the forge will also help as batteries lose efficiency as they heat up

[@ashtonlowe6761]

What we really wanna know is when are the big tabless batteries coming for XGT

[@riba2233]

the 8ah tabless? that would be crazy

[@matthewadkins9810]

I thought the XGT had 2 or 3 tabless versions? Aren't the batterys with "f" at the end tabless? 4040f, 4050f and 4080f.

[@riba2233]

@@matthewadkins9810 no, just the 4040F uses tabless cells

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

The 5F and 8F use tabbed cells. The tabless ones will use a different letter from F.

[@matthewadkins9810]

@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL The BL4040 is the normal one and the BL4040F is the tabless, correct?

[@AVBros37]

Makita seriously needs these pouch cell batteries since some of their tools limit the size of battery that can be put into it

[@kristene2372]

The 12 high output vs 6 high output batteries after a while using the 12's not as good as the 6

[@nn431xru1]

I am not sure spending a lot more money for drilling a hole 3 seconds faster. And if the 5xc dies, I just replace it with a fresh one. So, whats the problem??? 😂

[@jasoningram2006]

They are meant for high demand tools, grinders, saws, etc

[@narutobroken]

Can we get that forge song? I need to blast that while in the drive through

[@robertrada4783]

There’s better tunes in the chamber….

[@edwardlogan267]

How do these compare to the Makita Fs?

[@riba2233]

8ah forge has cells with the same specs as 4040F (both 10 cells just different configuration), but from a different, less established manufacturer.

[@poland153]

19:25 the marketing bois are like "but with more powaa youll use your tool less so you save battery, bazinga!" 🤣

[@191020758jt]

put them on the table saw rip some 4x2

[@TranTek]

Milwaukee 2022 and newer switched to Samsung 40T revision 3 so far more reliable the original uses Samsung 40T no revision number and they are so bad so are in the Flexvolt 12Ah Bosch uses revision 2 same issue, lots of cell fail to hold charges. Ampace JP40 are from CATL more like multi-tab cells Makita uses Sony / Murata VX40 cells which supposed to be a better made in terms of QC Flex has a 10ah stack battery huge

[@UntilImRichNgs]

if the forge 12ah and 8ah batteries i just ordered fail me like the HO 12ah and 8ah i will be done with milwaukee permanently

[@kc0lif]

pooch cells seem good.

[@plunder1956]

In America Milwaukee tools get a 5 year guarantee, Not in the UK or Ireland, not in the EU and I suspect it's the same in Australia and New Zealand. Provided you register them you get at least two years if you are outside the USA. As for batteries I don't know what the guarantee provides.

[@shifty277]

Most manufacturers only give 1 year.

[@bourkey07]

Australia, Milwaukee tools get 5 years warranty without requiring registration. Batteries and chargers get 2 years.

[@Britess-pz8oc]

forge 3.0 ???

[@rbproductions78]

Great. now all I have running through my head over and over is... "Milwaukee Forge 6 amp hour battery, Milwaukee Forge 8 amp hour battery, Milwaukee Forge 12 amp hour battery..." Shot Tools 🤦🏽🤣

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

Been stuck in my head for a week now.

[@JReinhoud]

can the 2 and 4 be the last digit of the year? 2022, 2024?

[@robertrada4783]

They’re called Forge because they’re made out of coal. Clearly.

[@Longtimerolling]

Hasn't the lil brother of Milwaukee been using forge batteries for a few years?

[@riba2233]

Who? Tabless cells have just dropped this year

[@Longtimerolling]

@@riba2233 I was thinking of the Force batteries of AEG, I guess something else..

[@riba2233]

@@Longtimerolling they have dropped 4ah exp pack with tabless cells just recently

[@GunnarsMassageoPizza]

@@riba2233Who did?

[@riba2233]

@@GunnarsMassageoPizza ridgid (aeg)

[@midwestworkshop2863]

Home depot has a sale where you get the 12ah and 8ah for 250 dollars right now

[@macbook802]

Claiming tabless, when there are clearly tabs. They are obviously more robust

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

Are you claiming they are not using tabless cells?

[@erike7297]

I have an older super charger that I’m not sure everyone’s seen. It’s got a 18 volt side to charge the 12.0 HO battery in just 1 hour. Then it also has a 12 volt side that is just a standard charger. It’s got a fan and the super charger logo is exactly the same. I’ve had it for about 5 or 6 years.

[@stuartmcleod4914]

I bailed on all my Milwaukee gear to swap over to Makita 40v and biggest regret 3 months old cooked impact driver 2 warranty claims, circ saw warranty claim Drill warranty claim 4 amp battery warranty claim Swapped absolutely all my gear 15k and biggest let down!

[@riba2233]

You sure about that?

[@thorinbane]

Don't believe it.

[@i_know_youre_right_but]

All of my gear is Milwaukee - but you’re crazy if you think Milwaukee is more reliable than Makita. I’ve used coworkers XGT grinder and SDS and they are solid. It’s only because I’m an electrician and my tools don’t take as much as a beating so I can afford for my tools to be lighter that I chose Milwaukee.

[@taylorb9860]

What company is claiming the tabless/pouch cells provide more run time?

[@Rusty-wheel]

Test the batteries individually, not running in Series at 36 volts, you did it wrong, two batteries running in Series will discharge at similar rate

[@rdj954]

Are you upset that milwaukee sent you fake batteries?

[@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL]

You're not very bright are you?

[@unclefester4626]

I don't trust milwaukee anymore....or home depot...ESPECIALLY home depot!😡

[@pablo.michelin5362]

I had to stop watching during the second play of that horrible music, sorry Tools did not like. And to make matters worse it was a clear blue sky, no clouds to shout at.