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[@FishAndKid]

Imagine paying taxes on a used motorcycle that has already been subject to taxes before. Feels good to be Norwegian. Here if a bike is listed as $6000 then you pay $6000 and a re-registration fee that is like $50-$60 and that is it.

[@khrisstake2210]

America

[@ryanrogers8211]

In Norway what percentage of your monthly paycheck do you take home?

[@khrisstake2210]

@@ryanrogers8211 like half

[@FishAndKid]

@@ryanrogers8211 Depends on how much you earn. if you make $55,000 a year (average income in Norway) you take home about 75% of what you earn. You then spend that money however you want. Obviously there are taxes on profucts first time buying them, most things are taxed at 25%, but if you were to buy used then you don't pay any tax.

[@Gideon_Judges6]

Sales tax depends on the state. Some states even charge excise tax if you're entitled enough to, I dunno, KEEP your vehicle. All because of greedy people with surnames like mine.

[@footnotedrummer]

Nothing ticks me off more than taxes paid on a vehicle that has already had the taxes paid on it. I have yet to see any politician explain why this is even legal. If I buy something brand new, I've paid (in Michigan) 0.06% tax on it right out of the gate. Why when I sell it, does the next person also pay taxes on it? Makes zero sense, and is a total sham.

[@Rastei]

Is feudalism but you can vote every 4 years haha nice!

[@skratz]

That's why every vehicle you sell is $500, no matter how much money they give you.

[@ijustfelldown]

@@skratz wouldn't that be considered a tax fraud? I've heard the IRS is very hawkish on this stuff and always hunts the little guy with easy targets.

[@Phat-D]

@@ijustfelldown idk, don’t talk about it and see. I think it’s pretty common practice

[@Strungrat]

@@skratz that doesn't work. The DMV goes by value not what you paid.

[@MrPhins]

So, you're paying about $1000 more for the private seller bike that was listed for $1000 more than the dealership bike. And the private seller bike also has less than 3k miles while the dealership bike has almost 18k. How are we comparing these 2 against each other again as if it's apples to apples?

[@FlesHBoX]

Technically the dealer bike was 3 years newer, but yeah, it's not exactly a fair comparison to say "the end price of A was less than the end price of B, when the starting prices were drastically different". I also noticed that while he mentioned dealers not doing service on used bikes, he didn't add the cost of DIYing it to the dealer bike. Though I suppose it's probably hard to find two examples of the same model/year/mileage bike sold through a deal and private sale.

[@daria_morgandorffer5768]

The mileage difference is enough to justify the higher price, and remember one of the channels sponsors is eurocycle so they aren’t going to crap on a motorcycle dealership while pocketing there money.

[@StrawDragon]

exactly

[@TheBaldDog32]

The private sale bike was also an ABS model so there's another +400 option.

[@Motoboo_Marine]

It's like you guys didn't watch the video. One of the first points he made was not letting mileage be that big of a deal unless it was coming up on a major service. And yes, they're sponsored by a dealer, but they literally said dealerships practice scummy sales tactics, told people not to pay prep fees and service contracts, and ended the video by saying one isn't ALWAYS better than the other. The purpose of the video was to get people to think about the final price at the end of the sale, and to show that SOMETIMES buying from a dealer may be a better option. Not always, but sometimes. There's a lot of people out there who won't deal with any dealership, and understandably so, and those people are who I feel they made this video for. It was a pretty fair comparison when you took all the different factors into account.

[@rexiemoto]

When I was shopping for a commuter bike back in 2007. I was looking at two 2006 Suzuki Katana 600’s. One was at a dealership with very low miles (it was new, it was just last year’s model). The other was a private seller with 900 miles on it. The dealer wanted over 8k. I bought the used one from a private seller for 4,200$.

[@thisstupid757]

That’s ridiculous, but you know they got someone for it that didn’t know much and didn’t shop around

[@alripley5335]

Absolutely! I only buy from private parties. Worlds full of used bikes, and anything else for sale.

[@Jakezillagfw]

The sad part is in my area the private sellers are doing the same thing as dealerships. R3s from 2015 are going for 5k and 21 are going for 6k from dealerships.

[@jw0223]

Isn't that price difference in-line as it relates to the mileage between the two. 16k miles is a big difference.

[@mjlafave1]

Exactly. Not a very good comparison when one bike has literally 9 times the miles.

[@cycledirect9871]

They call it a stealership for a reason

[@blueheelerfriend8450]

Anyone that thinks they're not getting ripped off from a dealership is living in a dream world especially right now during this price Insanity Loop we are in LOL 😄

[@sneekie3]

$1600 in freight, ocean freight, set-up, and random paperwork. That shit should be listed instead of sprung on you when you get to the desk. $4750 price tag, but $6350 by the time you sign.

[@triot2127]

In other words you can't undercut a dealer but you can undercut a private seller that doesn't have much experience haggling or is desperate to move the bike. That's really the difference here.

[@hyenahallstrom7034]

@@triot2127 got someone to let go of a brand new motto guzzi racer V7 for 5k$

[@blueheelerfriend8450]

@@sneekie3 almost always more or less 👍

[@klan6769]

Some dealerships are very good, some will rip you off if you give them a chance. From "dealership 1" I bought a used 2015 NC700x DCT (2 months ago) for just over $6k after all tax, tag, title, and any other "fees" that were added to it. The bike had 900 miles on it. I had to drive an extra 100 miles to get to that dealer. Then there was "dealership 2", which was a dealer close to me (under 5 miles) that had the same bike, same year, with 28k miles and they wanted $6800 plus tax, tag, title, and any other fees. (Note: I went to dealership 2 first). Most of the private sellers I saw on the same bike was right at $6k but with 15k or more miles. My bargaining chip against the dealership 1 was the fact they had that bike for 5 months and not getting much interest in it. They had it advertised for $6800 plus tax, tag, title, and any other fees. I told them if they wont sell it to me for $6k out the door, I will buy it from a private dealer where I will pay no more than $500 with tax, tag, and title. Dealership 2 I gave the same offer, but they said the lowest they could go was $6k plus tax, tag, title even if I paid in cash. One dealership wanted my business so I would go back to them, buy parts or services from. As it is, I drive out of my way to go to that dealership who was willing to give me the deal on my bike I was looking for. If the dealership closer to me would of worked the same deal, I most likely would be going to them to buy any parts or services from. Where dealers really start to get over on people is when they have to finance the bike. No private seller, unless you are GREAT friends with them, will take payments. So when the dealer knows you have to have financing to buy the bike they want, they know you can not get it cheaper. Tell the dealership when you are negotiating a price that you are looking for more than just the bike, you are looking for a place to buy your parts or services from. Most dealerships make more off of parts and services than they do selling motorcycles (if they are a good dealership).

[@marcuspurvis2897]

Completely discounts that the private party has 1/8 the miles.

[@seriousandy6656]

He did not discount it. He addressed it. 17k is more than 2.5k, but it's not alot. He also made the point that the older bike with 2.5k sat around alot...while the other bike was running more...

[@Tom-wp9ix]

@@seriousandy6656 which is completely wrong. 17k is a lot of riding. Being ridden occasionally for a few years is no problem at all. This isn’t some bike that sat full of gas since 1970.

[@robbieracer3294]

​@@Tom-wp9ix yup, I've seen bikes that were 5-6 years old and only had 6 thousand miles on them. 17k miles means it did a lot of riding and no telling how many times that owner tromped on the throttle, rode the clutch etc. Me personally, I'd never buy a bike from a stranger that had over 3 thousand miles ..don't trust them/it

[@jakeburns9366]

Working at a dealership, we actually go through and do all needed maintenance when buying used motorcycles before they’re ready to be sold again. The expenses are taken out of the sales departments profits but having a good reputation and quality bikes has been a priority over profits for years.

[@ralphwarom2514]

Much rather buy from a dealership. First and foremost, spending twice the money for a new bike is always worth it compared to something that might have a hidden issue.

[@Alastairtheduke1]

I found dealers sellingbikes with gear levers that aren't screwed on tightly enough. What do you think is the best way to find out what work has been done on a bike given that I wouldn't trust the answer if asked outright. @Jake Burns

[@seriousandy6656]

The dealership I buy from does the same but itemizes the charge on the tag. It's best practice really.

[@wtfgebeurdmij2991]

Sounds good in theory, in the long run you have trust from your customers and that is great. But how do you do so much maintenance as a dealer? For clients motorcycles and for every motorcycle in the dealership? Wouldnt it be dangerous to lose money over a bike with a full service? Every motorcycle in the dealer has the potential to stand still and cost them money for months if not sold fast. i am curious to what level your dealer maintains their motorcycles. For example: Do you start and ride all these motorcycles once in a while? One of many good reasons for that could be: riding the motorcycle every 2 weeks prevents deforming the rubber. The tires shouldnt rest on one spot for multiple months. Tires will change their shape if the bike isnt moved for a long time and that could mean clients have to change tires sooner. It is just an example of what a motorcycle needs to really be in great riding condition. The only thing i want to point out by giving this example is that it seems like a LOT of work to really care for all your motorcycles in the dealer and run a business at the same time. But im interested to what level your dealership takes the maintenance of all their motorcycles. And how they do it Do they change tires?

[@Random-ed2xf]

@@laggy231 Dealerships make almost nothing on the actual vehicles especially new ones. They don't actually even own them it's more credit that they owe to the manufacturer. Goes for cars as well all the extras including maintenance, extended warranties,parts .

[@richiekmotorcyclerides4458]

Crazy how different your buying experience is over there. In the UK, if you buy from a dealer, they will put a fresh MOT (roadworthy test basically) and a service if it’s anywhere near due.

[@frontdeskstaff9359]

It's ridiculous to add a trade in into the price of the dealership and not take into account of the amount of selling the trade in bike privately, then discounting that amount from the privately bought motorcycle in the same way the trade in value was discounted from the dealer price. What I'm saying is, sell that trade in bike privately (most likely for more money) then discount that from the privately bought bike and the privately bough bike is far less than the dealer or just minus the trade in from the dealer price so you are comparing apples to apples and you will probably see the private price is lower.

[@firefighter1c57]

Keep in mind, this channel is in part sponsored by a dealership, Eurocycles... I'd expect, in the channels own interest, to favor dealerships in this comparison.

[@TheBaldDog32]

@@firefighter1c57 Yeah, lost alot of faith in Yam here with the clear pro-dealership bias. Wasn't expecting them to shit on dealerships but there's a bent here that's hard to ignore.

[@Tom-wp9ix]

It was total nonsense

[@JCrozier1]

good breakdown. I appreciate you taking the time to do this.

[@travismeays464]

I went into a dealership for a possible trade and after walking around while they inspected my motorcycle, I noticed on their price tags of additional 200 dollar charge just to fill out the paper work.

[@Sphoxros]

Sounds like bullsht on they're end, I'd tell em to piss off on that $200 or no sale lol.

[@bryanmilstid4087]

Thanks Spite for this awesome video. This will be helpful in the coming weeks.

[@eos009]

Spite!!! Thank you for letting me/us know that Rokform released a vibration dampener!!! Just finished checking out to get mine for my V1 Handlebar mount!

[@IVova6260]

This is exactly what I was looking for, thanks guys.

[@RottingPumpkinReviews]

I just quit my job as a powersports salesman, I’ve been in the industry for years and I’m considering making videos to call dealerships out on all the bs that I feel so bad most customers don’t know about

[@Hard_7_Iron]

Agreed. I walked into a dealer the other day to upgrade helmets….we walked out with a used CB500X with 4600 miles. Less than 4K. Taxes and license / registration all handled be the dealer. Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezy.

[@shoebert31]

@whiteAfrikkkanNun im not him but you arent as clever as you think you are

[@danmear5386]

UK VIEWERS READ THIS. As a salesperson at a (almost exclusively pre-owned) motorcycle dealership in Brighton, I can say wholeheartedly that the dealership you chose for that Vulcan was/is not how most used dealers work, at least here in the UK. We deal in used bikes all day every day, and every bike will be professionally valeted, serviced (if more than 1k miles or 6mo since last service), including valve clearence services when needed, with a full PDI check over, and a minimum 3mo warranty applied, with ANY work done to it to make it mechanically sound, including tyres, pads etc. Every bike. Every time. You've described a dealer that clearly doesn't care about its customers or stock. As much as I appreciate your own experience here, all those fees you've paid on your VFR are pretty ridiculous over here too. All the work we do on our bikes is covered in our list price. We charge your road tax, we charge your delivery if applicable, and we charge an admin fee where applicable. That's it. If you're in the UK I absolutely suggest talking to your dealer and ask them what you get for your money over a private sale. Any salesperson worth their salt will be honest and tell you. I'll even tell you what commission I get paid!

[@danmear5386]

@@louielewis5209 I absolutely agree, and it's something that I've been trying to change at our dealer, but the reality is that most dealers do charge an admin fee. Ours is £99 flat across any bike, but some dealers charge in excess of £250 and hide it behind what looks to be a really cheap list price. Any dealer that's honest will tell you what the admin fee costs and won't try and hide it, and often you can haggle it out anyway. Past that, there's never any "hidden" fees. We don't charge tax on a used bike as this video suggests, and new bikes are subject to their First Reg Fee which is instated by the DVLA at a flat rate of £55; something we can't get around.

[@fortyseven05]

Spite, this is an excellent video. Bravo, sir

[@MichaelTexas70]

All of the business geniuses posting here should pool their money and open a string of non-profit motorcycle dealerships

[@englishsteel-nz6im]

exactly... you either want the dealer networks to exist or not and everybody complains about supply chain and lack of inventory LOL---- uh..... I bought my current general use bike at a good dealer and got it at a totally fair price OTD.

[@englishsteel-nz6im]

granted... some dealers really are crap but that's why you know your own stuff before buying.

[@triot2127]

There are also a lot of scummy private sellers out there too that rip people off all the time.

[@ThaBootyBandit]

@@triot2127 Do your homework and you wont get ripped off.....

[@TheSirhc1975]

Seriously man...I don't understand how Honda only dealers survive on their slim margins. These manufacturers tell you exactly what they charge for freight for each model on their websites. I don't charge a dime over and people think I'm ripping them off....nope just trying to survive

[@jacksondewar1082]

Firstly, I have to disagree about mileage not mattering. Every mile you put on you are one mile closer to needing that big service, your dealership bike in this case has seven times the mileage of the private bike. These two bikes are not an Apples to Apples comparison in my opinion. And it undermines your whole premise. As much as I love most of your content, I imagine that your channel gets some kickback from whatever dealerships you deal with and I think that should be disclosed. But I do agree that buying from a dealership is good in terms of them being a business who is interested in keeping their customers content, as you pointed out.

[@noahknight4039]

Nice thumbnail, the Vulcan S is a damn good looking cruiser. I know the Vulcan Classic and such are bigger but I would like to see the Vulcan S styling’s with a 1000cc engine. I would pre-order today.

[@CountryCarReviews]

I just bought a 95 Electaglide ultra classic that’s in excellent condition for 3900 from a dealer in WI. So it was a great deal!

[@jimdiamondcoles]

Good info

[@obscenities4073]

Thanks for this, getting my first rideable bike tomorrow from a dealership

[@ronaldvanveen7666]

Great video u guys.thanks

[@extrameatsammich]

I bought a service contract that coverd the usual stuff like oil/brake fulid/coolant changes, but also a valve adjustment on a 2011 Triumph Sprint 1050 GT. One oil change and a valve adjustment and I was already $200 ahead.

[@FlesHBoX]

What I find interesting is that when I was looking for my bike, I ultimately decided to stop bothering with looking in Texas because the dealerships down there ALL have ridiculous prices on bikes. I saw a 2 year old Z400 with 7k miles on it listed for almost 7 grand! That's almost 2 grand over MSRP for a brand new one, lol. Every single bike I found at a dealership in TX was like that. Maybe not to that extreme, but they were all listed over new MSRP for used bikes.

[@keithcrook8591]

Same deal throughout New Mexico

[@bushy9780]

Yeah but good luck walking out of the dealer paying MSRP alone. You have dealer fees like freight and packaging, etc. That's assuming you don't have to be put on a wait list during this supply crisis. Maybe the fed rate hikes will lower demand? Or maybe civilization collapses before that will happen? Who knows lol

[@xSynergized]

The new bikes are also over MSRP in Texas. However, it is like this all across the USA. This affects automobiles too.

[@StrawDragon]

used bike prices are crazy

[@Jakezillagfw]

@@StrawDragon Yep Cali is going nuts for R3s rn. 5/6k for used bikes.

[@devantewyche5457]

I’m so glad this video was made, I just bought my gear and the biggest stressor was buying private Vs buying from a dealership that’s HOLY SCHMOLY, some of these prices that people sell those 3-4 year old bikes at are worse prices than what the dealer has set!

[@kenwilson6850]

But those people don't sell those 3-4 year old bikes for those prices. They end up dyeing before selling.

[@GearHeadGeeks]

This was very, good advice. I usually don't see eye to eye with Spite because IMHO he goes off a bit half baked and bias. BUT he is getting better as time goes by. And in this one he is absolutely right on. Very good stuff. Maybe use that prep fee to force them to do an oil and fluid change.

[@Tom-wp9ix]

This video was absolute nonsense. What are you talking about. He’s comparing vastly different bikes. They should have done an honest review of scumbag dealers charging ridiculous fees.

[@GrandpaWazi]

Before even watching the video. Yes Yammi. Yes they are. Better known as stealerships than dealerships.

[@konstantinoskoilias4294]

Nice one. I think it would be interesting if you also made a video about the resale value in various motorcycles.

[@Kaptain13Gonzo]

Definitely a good review. Basically, do your homework. I ended up with a private seller simply because the dealership couldn't come up with what I was looking for, 1200 Sporty, but they did have a shiny new one [if I sold both my kids, a kidney and my left nut - Thanks Harley]. Definitely an as-is proposition for the used bike ('05). Bike is generally good except for the front lights where some hot-rodder installed some LED lights and butchered the wiring harness. Winter project .... Long and short, I still came out ahead. On the flip side, I bought my slightly used van from a dealer because it was way better deal than private. Not cheap, just better.

[@theenzoferrari458]

That's your fault for buy a overweight underpowered scooter.

[@zzz181085]

The dude selling that Vulcan while watching this video "hey WTF"

[@murraehaynes3182]

Nicely done👍agree on the “service” contract..that said an extended warranty is good if you ride a lot of mileage and the dealership offers them on used bikes.

[@ToGrimmToWin]

Yes because I see a lot of bikes 3/6 years old with 3/10000miles on it at dealerships priced 200 less than the brand new ones

[@42er90]

Depends what bike it is.....U can get bargains with mechanical service and road worthy and new tires from shop.....pay lil extra.....private as is where is

[@CGR89]

Back when I started riding (about 6 years ago) I got a used Vulcan S with 17 miles on the clock, only 1 year old. Bought it for 5.5k, put about 10k miles on it, sold it for 5k the year after. Awesome way to get into the riding scene.

[@chrisdadigger1018]

I like buying from dealer. Sure may be a bit more money but everything is done right there and then. Like plates and registration ect.

[@altortugas5979]

A Harley Davidson dealer sold me a used bike with a battery that I later discovered to be five years old. Buy new, have cash, don’t accept their first offer.

[@shahfacekillah]

Yeah, I bought my bike from a private sale last August. I got a really good deal on it, but little did I know at the time, the major service was due in 1k. So that was an additional 800 bucks.

[@jon6285626]

should have learn how to do regular maintenance. Save you big bucks in long-term

[@shahfacekillah]

@@jon6285626 I'm good with oil and brake fluid, etc. But things like valve adjustment, I'll leave to the pros. But you're right though.

[@praneetk1991]

This is exacly what I wanted. Help me Silky Hair Spite, You're my only hope. I had a private seller selling his 2020 CBR650r for $8900, whereas the dealer was quoting around $13000 for a brand new one. That's without the insurance. I don't know what sort of additional charges they are adding to the list price that causing the price to jump up by almost $2500.

[@michaeldaniels4033]

Just out of curiosity when was this? I'm currently looking at a 2020 cbr650r with 900 miles on it for 9600. Thats basically msrp but given how dry the market is right now I keep going back and forth on if its a good deal or not.

[@Gideon_Judges6]

That's insane! That's well over MSRP for a brand new '22 one!

[@michaeldaniels4033]

@@Gideon_Judges6 No that is the msrp for 2022.

[@Gideon_Judges6]

@@michaeldaniels4033 are you sure you're not thinking the CBR600RR? The 650R is cheaper. MSRP is $9800.

[@michaeldaniels4033]

@@Gideon_Judges6 My bad, I thought you was replying to my first comment with your first comment. Didn't realize you was replying to Praneet.

[@stephenpublicover8818]

hey guys, bought a 1999 kawasaski concourse 1000 2 years ago,$2300 can,from a local dealer in nova scotia,they rebuilt the front calipers and i did a oil change and new front tire, riding trouble free since then,great used bike!

[@robsutherland9284]

thanks spite, it's nice to see someone break it down.

[@johnhowarth8367]

I really with they would just include everything in the cost of the motorcycle pricd, before taxes. Like everything else we buy. Not have some random number that you don't actually end up paying. Like don't think it makes sense to compare these used prices to msrp of a new when the new also included a bunch of other fees the used bikes will not. If everything were already included would be much easier to compare.

[@lastsonofkrypton36]

Yep. Destination Charge. Freight surcharge. That's funny, I don't see that on literally anything else I buy. Just put the price on the tag. I'd argue that you're losing customers over the fact that they know it's the "price" + unknown charges.

[@Gofr5]

A lot of dealers in my area (not all) do include all the extra charges on their advertised prices. Only thing not in there is the tax, but that's an easy enough calculation to do.

[@johnhowarth8367]

@@Gofr5 yeah I ended up buying from a dealer that did that. In stores / email anyway. Tax was weird though. I thought would just be on the bike but all the fees were included in taxes too it seemed like.

[@Tom-wp9ix]

Walk away. Don’t buy the bike and find an honest dealer or wait for the new bike to show up used somewhere

[@AllboroLCD]

Just bought a 22 Trident 660, MSRP was about $8300, with USB charger/quick shifter came to about $10.5k when all said & done. Just went in for 500 mile "break-in" service today which would have cost me another $350 had I not changed my own oil. Damn you Triumph, LoL! Cost me about $70 instead, and that was to clear the nag light and adjust my chain. I'm 3 weeks into ownership and still waiting to get my add ons installed, not sure if thats the dealerships fault though.

[@richardcole6690]

agree 100% on the protections for buying from a dealer... test rode a 2006 Ninja 500 at a dealer... ran fine on their little dead end road they were on... doing pulls... idled great... started fine cold... something was up with the carbs though... when you really got some heat in it and tried to cruise for a while it wouldn't idle... wouldnt start unless choked then you couldn't give it any throttle (had to "idle" (choke fast idle) back to the dealer about 2 miles... TWICE)... so i discovered this when i paid and left to head home 2 hours... i walked in told the guy i wasn't taking it home and ended up leaving with a different bike (listed at about $400 more than the Ninja) for the same price and I was happy...

[@Jay-bw3fl]

I disagree. Mileage matters a lot if you plan to keep the bike for a while and in this specific case a 2017 with 2500 miles is worth the extra 1000$ IMO. Now if the private seller bike was older than 2017 like maybe 2014 or older then I’d prob go for the higher mileage 2020 model because after 7 or 8 years things start to deteriorate especially when not being ridden and you can bet you’re gonna have to buy tires or risk riding on the old oems and change all fluids.

[@devonnobles1083]

Obviously the mileage is the main reason for that price difference. I agree there is no need to worry about the reliability of the higher mileage bike, but I definitely not going to pay the same price for that bike. The mileage would be more important to me than the year in this case, because neither is very old.

[@Jay-bw3fl]

@@devonnobles1083 exactly

[@tannerross-barco8238]

He kind of explains it. I agree the mileage difference is significant but you are talking about a bike that is being used vs one that sits. At 17k more miles he had to put new rubbers on it. Motion is lotion for a lot of your seals and hoses. I try to avoid super low miles for that reason

[@Jay-bw3fl]

@@tannerross-barco8238 age is as important as miles as I explained. A 2017 is not old enough to have any rot yet and would be the better buy here.

[@TheBaldDog32]

The private sale bike was also an ABS model while the dealer bike was not.

[@martind349]

Yes, look at the array of motivations wherewith motorcycles are sold and let that be your overlay when reading ads. This will tell you a lot and might lead you to an exploration of the question, How do people lie? Also, when you make your purchase, right before you leave ask if there is one last piece of advise. Then, react to the advise very soon or consistantly. This is ego-bruising but a good tactic in happy riding.

[@aaronpal2955]

I just purchased an 2018 XSR 700 from a private seller. Garage kept 870 miles on the clock. full Leo Vince exhaust. 6k. Everyone else in my neck of the woods is selling for 7k to 9+. I think I did ok

[@ZhaziTheBeast]

Definitely feel like a complete outlier here since the bike I'm in the process of buying is a new Honda Navi. Msrp is 1800 but all the used Facebook marketplace listing are 2400-2800. I feel I was lucky to talk to a guy at a dealership over an hour away and put in a deposit on one they got coming, with them charging 2480 after all their stupid fees and taxes

[@malcolmpatton7817]

Brilliant I would always buy from a dealer used or new but I would also sell my used bike privately if it’s going to help me financially as let’s face it I am always going to spend more on my upgrade. Yeah that cruise control and nicer dash is always going to get me over the line, worry is you get attached to your bike and want to keep and simply add to the fleet. Malcolm Australia

[@weirdchamp7790]

quick tip for buying used bikes, tires are the last thing you should check because you just replace them unlike engine parts and other parts costs a lot for quality parts

[@iraschmelkin2927]

Spike, great video with terrific analysis. I think you have to compare "apples to apples" as best as you can. I just bought a 2017 Suzuki Boulevard from a private sale for 3000.00 with 512 miles on it, while my local dealer wanted 4900 for similar bike with 15,000 miles. But as you said, you must do your homework and sometimes you get lucky (not typical). Keep up the great content. Love the videos. You and Yammie rock!

[@Mark-ou8nu]

*Spite

[@Josh-bb1nn]

In Texas, if you have a bill of sale showing you paid lower than the SPV, they will tax you on that. I just paid taxes on a Street Triple last year that I bought for $5500 and the SPV was about $1200 more, I just showed the tax assessor the bill of sale and no questions asked. This is in Houston (Harris County).

[@jerryaduvall]

These motors are super reliable. I'd go dealer with 18,000 miles. Got mine in 2020 and already got 15,000.

[@fuujinmugen]

Have my 2014 Harley Heritage Softail up on Facebook Marketplace. Put up 10 Pics and a very detailed description 👌 Lots of Info definitely helps the Buyer make an informed decision. Thanks for the Interesting Upload Spite, hope the head clears soon. Regards from Brad in South Africa 🤘

[@patriot5891]

I bought my Sportster from a private seller, while dealers where $1500 more, and 3x miles+...I NEVER trust a used car/motorcycle dealership anyway, EVER. I have worked for too many of them to see the crap they pull.

[@ridingwithmarshall]

Now talk about the "reconditioning fee" from HD dealerships. $995 + $500 doc fee at Thunder Mountain HD last year.

[@sabbottart]

That 900 RS is a beauty.

[@quickguesswho]

I'd say buy used to save money but look for a good deal. I just bought a used 2017 Kawsaki Vulcan S for $5,000 with about 6k miles on it for my dad.

[@QuietStormX]

You start learning as a Kid, riding a bike then a little older a small Motorcycle the controls and service. No Showing off. I was racing Moto-X as a kid and teen on a larger off road bike...

[@practicallyprinz]

The answer to that is yes, well at least in SA they are definitely. Asking prices a couple thousand off from a brand new model when they are 4-5 years older with 20k kilometres or more...

[@akasuperfan]

Were I live, the midwest, buyers make you ridiculous low offers and then go pay too much at a dealer. All the local dealers have a bunch of add on fees. One dealer charges extra if you don't finance it thru them. Pay cash pay extra. BS! Document fees? I used to be a car dealer. I can fill out my own papers in 5 minutes. More BS fees.

[@Mr_Phoskitos]

In my personal case I do own gear. But If I were to buy a first new bike I would also add to the budget how much am I gonna spend in gear. Also I would add how much is gonna go away in insurance, as some bike models are more expensive than others. So instead of saving in just the bike, sometimes you can save in the insurance on the long run, depending on which bike you decide to take home with you.

[@knight8821]

Miss this guy

[@Majorbanjo]

Heck a new motorcycle on the floor.....add 2k to advertised price for out the door price at all the dealers around me.....for tax, dealer prep, document fees, registration......etc...etc....etc.....when I was shopping that's what I found...

[@mrhands2757]

When I was bike shopping, I noticed most used bikes were almost the same as a brand new one, (I was looking at bikes 5k-10k) So I bought a brand new one, figuring at least I knew no one abused it or damaged it in any way, I'm happy I did, I love my bike!!

[@shoebert31]

you could make this a series

[@shaunwilliams5395]

Hi Guys I bought a 765 3 Years old from a Dealer. Payed full price MSRP went to pick it up on Saturday radiator went pop. £540 from Triumph, Got the bike home oil leak. Took it back picked it up 4 days later fixed all sorted. I could have bought the same bike with a 1000 miles less for the same money private. The after sales is what it`s all about. If you are buying a bike for a £1000 buy it. A new or newer bike spend that little more and get the after sales.

[@ADavis-ik4qr]

Many states don't charge sales tax on private sales; so that's a huge reason to buy private instead of from the dealer.

[@aniyn]

The other thing to consider are manufacturer rebates. I bought my bike as new old stock, and got $1500 off the list price. Ended up being cheaper to buy brand new instead of used.

[@Bikerbug2020]

Spite I only have to say one thing, the 2600 mile bike won’t need tires unless they are rotted. Maybe an oil change at 3000 miles.

[@donaldpruett852]

Contract presented to me at a local Harley dealership on a slightly used 2020 Harley Heritage that as absolutely beautiful. Not a mark on it and only 4,266 miles on it. Price: $20,497.00. Discounted $1,000.00 down to $19.497. Then they added $997.51 "UVC" charge=Used vehicle Conditioning. This cost is attached to every used bike they sell they told me. What could they possibly do to this bike with this many miles on it and in the new condition it was in that cost them a thousand dollars? Then a $599.00 Dock fee. $1,660.06 Tax. $263.28 Non-tax fee. $499.00 for new batteries for life. Out the door $23,516.64. I smelled a lot of excess fat on this deal and didn't go for it even though I loved the bike. Urgency never found a bargain. At 78 I'm way beyond the impulse buying stage of my life. I want this. I don't NEED it. Did I miss a great deal?

[@wheeltrouble]

I get spooked when I see low mileage bikes. Gaskets need fluids pumping to stay lubed and fresh. That bike that sat for 9 months may be fixing to need fork seals soon. 5k miles per year seems a good average for what I expect when I look at a bike. Remember that 2.6k? How old is the oil? That's needing changed once a year regardless of miles, etc.

[@wheeltrouble]

@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 nah. My last bikes were new, and when I buy, I buy from actual riders.

[@hyedefinition1080]

I've found seeking out dealers nationwide on cycletrader to be a good strategy when looking for bikes, new ones especially. The high volume dealers have substantial discounts. I recently purchased a Z900RS Cafe this way and the OTD price + shipping was $11,500. The MSRP for the bike is $12,200 + taxes/fees, close to $14,000...so ended up saving $2,500k+ Only downside is the cheopo shipping I used takes 3-5 weeks

[@silkmonkey]

How do I find a dealership like that?

[@FlesHBoX]

Yeah, I would have LOVED to find that kind of deal on the Z400 I just bought. I had to drive 200 miles one way to pick it up and still ended up paying over MSRP. But I suppose that's as much because of the bike I bought, since there were like 10 new Z400s in the entire country, lol

[@hyedefinition1080]

@@silkmonkey I filtered the search for nationwide, make, model, trim and then sorted by price. The one I found was Southeast Motorsports in Milwaukee...flew out there for 200 roundtrip, signed the papers and out. The volume sellers have discounts periodically given to them by the manufacturer. I asked the sales manager and he said exactly that. They're the 6th largest volume seller in the US for Kawasaki. Good luck!

[@hyedefinition1080]

@@FlesHBoX I think they had 200 off on the Z400, wouldn't be worth it Yeah man, originally wanted the xsr 900, only found 3 dealers nationwide having actual stock smh

[@Pokerman6]

You guys need to review a clx 700 sport!!!

[@Robocline]

Another point for dealerships is they'll give you extras if you twist their arms. I have gotten a free helmet every time I've bought a bike from a dealer and a few times I got a jacket and gloves at no extra cost to me.

[@justjeffrey]

Awesome bike!

[@iuyozx]

It’s Standard Presumptive Value. In Texas, You pay tax on 80% SPV.

[@fortyinthestreets8526]

I have a nice relationship with me dealership, I didn’t get a mark up when r7s were impossible to find. I was so exited to pick it up I forgot my helmet so I pulled out my debit card to buy an HJC and they gave it to me for free

[@user-zz3nv6hw2s]

I picked up a 05 twin cam softail with 18k miles .absolutely loaded with tons of harley upgrades well over 2500....got bike for 3500.00 ...

[@mattapple2105]

Yes, it´s called Business...they wanna make money.

[@jacobchandler2083]

Idk bout motorcycles but with cars in Kentucky when buying used you pay taxes on the sale price listed on the title. On my f150 i paid taxes on like 300 dollars. Thats also the taxes i pay annually

[@pjc3994]

I wanna see you guys do something strange like review the ZG 1000 Concours.

[@moorepower13]

Dealer ships offer financing. I know you can get financing for a private seller but most folks will pay more to get it all in the same place. People pay for convenience.

[@dronepilot260rc]

Dealerships here in Indiana are marked up on everything. They wanted $5,500 for a 2017 Honda rebel 300 with 3,400 miles and I got my 2012 Honda rebel 250 with 1600 miles for $2500. I'm sure I overpaid but this thing looks and rides like new

[@sabeelshaikh3759]

Thats a powerful table i see

[@madarchermoto4955]

Only buy new from dealers. Used? Private seller. No in between.

[@brandonshelp4682]

Ah, last time I went to a dealer, they tried to lowball my trade-in by $1000 on their $1000 over book bike with nearly another $1500 in taxes and fees.

[@mattcm32]

Who pays taxes on a private sale?

[@docloftis]

Interesting comparison! Curious if you think the KBB for m/c factors in here somehow.

[@jeffrielley920]

I put a (refundable, because I've never seen one in real life) deposit down on a Honda NC750x DCT last month, still waiting for one to arrive at the dealership. MSRP is $9299. Out the door price is over $11,800. I was told every month the shipping fee goes up by another $100. The only used one I found locally was sold the day before I called.

[@bushy9780]

the absolute state of the supply chain right now is a joke. good luck man

[@xSynergized]

Woah, that's quite a price for the NC. I hope you enjoy it and that it arrives soon.

[@TheSirhc1975]

The supply chain is tight and demand is high, but to keep tacking on for the freight is just foul. Honda's website will tell you exactly what they charge the dealer in freight for each bike.

[@carnage2929]

I totally lucked out got my 2017 kawasaki vulcan s with extended warranty,62km on odometer in 2018 and saved $4500 off the sticker price

[@cradleofgoth]

Private sale was 1k more base price, how are you comparing the end price? You should be comparing % increase from base price to the end price. You should discount the service you'll do after as it has no relation to the choice of private seller or dealership and is done either way you go. This is the actual conclusion for this scenario. Private: +$471 (+7.85%) Dealer: +$613.75 (+12.5%) But in reality the conclusion is much easier: Whatever fees you pay in a private sale are dictated by the government and you will pay them whether you buy private or from a dealer, dealerships on the other hand have fees that you won't need to pay in a private sale, so for an identical bike with an identical price you'll pay more at a dealership.

[@macc1370]

Just bought a 2018 xsr900 with 2,800mi from a private party seller for $8750. Dealers around San Diego are asking $1-3k more msrp+ markups etc. for similar bikes often times with 10-15k miles 😳

[@johnnystein67]

In California it is NEVER cheaper at a dealer. They NEVER give up their “fees for BS”. It’s pure profit. They will tell you to your face. “We have to make money to keep the doors open.” My last 2 used bikes were $2000 cheaper on the street than at dealers with similar bikes. Maybe Texas is wonderland.

[@banana82728]

millage shouldn't be scary. i just bought a suzuki SV1000 with 50k miles on it but i know the engines will go 100k easy.

[@jakegarrett8109]

When its being sold with 110k miles, you may want to be slightly worried...

[@banana82728]

​@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 i got lucky, the bike was in the same family past down for like 10 years. pristine condition.

[@petervenkman69]

I don't know how things are in the US, but when I bought a used bike in the UK I got a basic level warranty (6 months if I recall correctly), and for not much extra (and it was worth it) I paid n for an extra 1 yr (so 1.5 yrs total), this was on a 13 year old machine. Also they had to make certain it is road worthy before I collected it, so they gave it new breaks and new tyres (the existing ones were legal, but would not have lasted long... and yes tyres, they were purchased in the UK, and that is how you spell it here) - Full service (with book stamp) and an MOT certificate (which is required to ride your bike and certifies your bike is currently safe to ride and notifies you of things that will need attention in the near future, my bike had no warnings....this is an annual test)

[@petervenkman69]

@Zealadinn Nope, I went in to my dealership, said I was having electrical problems... it did take time for them to work out what was wrong over several visits as it was intermittent and just wasn't showing up when they had it, but replaced battery, stator and starter motor and even gave me a free loaner while they had it in for a long term test. (which wasn't something they had to do under the terms of the warranty)