Are New Cars Getting Worse? I Ask The Experts To Find Out!

[@marcbowen5559]

The kid is making great points. Things I've been complaining about for years. I will not buy a new car that doesn't have physical controls, which is starting to limit my options.

[@johnnytactical3054]

Same

[@ibmtpx24]

​@johnnytactical3054 I don't buy cars with electronic equipment that are safety related. Anything electronic needs power source. Power source can fail. So electronic parking brake is a deal breaker for me. Lack of volume knob is a safety concern too but many have steering wheel control so there is workaround. I also do not like things that got put into service for solely for performance, fuel economy, or the cool factor. Turbos, cylinder deactivation, and start button ignition are in my opinion, not a step forward.

[@PedersensTravels]

@@ibmtpx24 This is part of why I've been very impressed with the new (US) Landcruiser. _Everything_ is a button, in addition to whatever's in the touch panel. There must be 40 buttons in the cockpit at a glance.

[@gur3n6089]

⁠@@ibmtpx24Essentially everything in modern cars are controlled by computers these days. Airbags are triggered by computers, steering wheel assists are often managed by computers, acceleration pedals are most likely no longer directly connected to the throttle body, the engines themselves are also managed by computers, just to name a few. You most likely cannot get a car without computers in those major components and safety devices. IMO you'll be fine as long as you are not pursuing the newest technologies, especially if there are physical backups. Electronic steering assist has been pretty reliable, and we still have physical steering columns. However, we probably need to wait a bit longer for steer-by-wire and variable steering ratio to mature, though they are already available on some models from Lexus and Tesla. Personally I really recommend you give keyless entry/start a try, it's really convenient Physical keys are most likely chipped anyway, as engine immobilizers are pretty common these days.

[@Matt-l9s]

That is why I am still driving my 2006 Nissan Frontier that has a standard transmission. The only 'bell and whistle' it has now is a Garmin GPS.

[@wilmarbarrick3194]

Andre: I was a software developer. I like technology... Me: Aren't you the guy with no cruise control in your truck and a failed backup camera?

you must be a trumper

[@jfish9014]

How did you come to that conclusion?

[@kidpizz]

Yes, too logical to vote for nope and strange.

[@kaseyc5078]

@@jfish9014 woke mind virus

[@jake51515]

Im not a doctor, but you have TDS.

[@ariescorner7655]

I cant believe you guys are defending subscriptions services in cars. At no moment should we normalize this stupidity. Cars should be sold for a fixed price. If you are adding things that will require a subscription, don't add them. They are not necessary for a vehicle.

[@craigg4246]

Lack of buttons and controls are the least of my worries about new cars. Here are my top ten reasons to avoid new cars and trucks from a mechanic’s viewpoint. 1. Wet rubber belts inside the engine. 2. Internal water pumps. 3. GDI intake clogging. 4. Turbos. 5. Cylinder deactivation. 6. CVT’s. 7. Shim bucket valves that cost several $$$ thousands to adjust and require half the engine to be disassembled. 8. Start/stop. 9. EGR. 10. DPF.

[@coltonwood9846]

Agree 100%

[@rayjohnson863]

I have a 2017 Nissan Sentra with a CVT which has almost 142,000 miles on the original CVT. Should I be concerned about it lasting? Ive had it serviced since I bough it new. So far no issued.

[@uniqu3xperience965]

​@@rayjohnson863change filter and cvt oil every 35k miles. It will last you 250k

[@craigg4246]

@@rayjohnson863 by serviced, what do you mean? Fluid changes? If so, how often?

[@Anonymous-pm7jf]

Vehicles have never been more reliable

[@KingKong-]

Imagine that huge car screen turning dead on a fine day😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂......no ac, no heated seats, no lights, no cruise, no gears.....bricked!!!!😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢.....take it to a stealership & get a quote of $10k .....Happy???🙆‍♂️🙆‍♂️🙆‍♂️🙆‍♂️🙆‍♂️🙆‍♂️🙆‍♂️🙆‍♂️🙆‍♂️🙆‍♂️🙆‍♂️

[@CJNooberson]

This

[@JohnC-hj3dr]

Been there done that,! I have seen those repair bills! The less technology the better!

[@phild9813]

Yeah it’s not good. Not good at all.

[@BuiltXBuehn]

Exactly, these guys are not “experts”. “You don’t have to push a engine as hard with a turbo” WTF if it’s turbocharged the engine is always under more stress when your forcing air into it 🤦

[@lokerola]

That’s why I dumped my Dodge Charger. It had electric gremlins and they replaced 3 head units. I dumped it after that.

[@waynewallace2061]

Give us back the spare tire instead of the inflate kit.

[@zachlafond2652]

You almost need to just go buy your own spare these days. That is what i did. I'm not going on some huge roadtrip without a proper spare.

[@stephensalt6787]

I’m from the Uk, can you imagine you’re on holiday trying to tell a French guy on the emergency telephone that you have a puncture and the can of goop can’t plug the huge bolt hole in the tyre. I bought a spare tyre for peace of mind and speed of repair.

[@holmd90]

As a mobile tire tech, I wholeheartedly agree. I think Mazda and Volvo are the only brands I've never seen without a spare tucked away somewhere

[@luis.capsalot8124]

I hate the start stop tech ! Very annoying !!!!

[@LafemmebearMusic]

It’s has been proven to save so much fuel and when sitting in traffic it’s shows to have lowered so much pollution. You like clean air, yes you do, and you hate expensive gas, yes you do, so please for our and your sake don’t just be angry , please just use it and deal with it. It’s literally better for you and everyone if you don’t, you’ve decided to be stubborn for the sake of being so against your own best interests 😅

[@CoolTatts]

If it auto shuts off for more than 7 seconds then you’re saving money on gas. I also find the latest versions (my 2022 Ford Edge) are so smooth it’s barely noticeable and you really get use to lifting the brake slightly to pre start the engine for a rapid left turn. It’s easy to work it with pedal control when you need to reactivate and enjoy the savings when stopped at an intersection or traffic.

[@fastfed]

​@LafemmebearMusic its very minimum savings, stop acting like it's doing miracles. I see more greenery in the world today thanks to carbon, maybe carbon great for this world, maybe we should keep the engines on, the amount of pollution that comes from a modern car is extremely low. Starting and stopping your engine over and over is not good for it, it's why they had to literally design so much around it, starter batteries , even the engine itself. Want to know why cars are so freaking expensive, let's thank big government. So before you praise things ,how about I decidenif I want something or not,thankfully mine was easily to disable and I suggest anyone who has this system disable theirs too

[@Snerdles]

If you have a hybrid or PHEV the start stop tech works much better because you don't have a starter (but a much beefier motor/generator). This means the motor can sync the engine and start spark while the drive motor responds instantly to get the vehicle moving. You basically don't even notice it happened in my own PHEV. In a regular gas car it it much more noticeable since it has to do the whole start sequence which delays propulsion too long which makes it seem like it's just laggy from when you requested acceleration.

[@keananfischer8113]

Okay for subscription point in this video... you guys do realize that when you buy the can with the heated seats. You re already payinh for the heated seats whether you use them or not. Then you are willing to pay the company to alow you to use the feature you already payed for? Thats insane.... So I am only 35, and if I buy a vehicle it's an investment and costs alot of money. I personally expect to keep a vehicle 20+ years. So I want the option to be simple and have crank windows and things that will last longer.

[@fastinradfordable]

I’m 35 Mechanic. Drives a 1981 vw rabbit pickup with tdi swap I did 15 years ago. It’s gets 75mpg. The engine lasted 300,000 miles between 1998-2009. I drive 10-15k a year at most. So it lasts a LONG TIME. I got 1/2 ton pickup with 6’ bed. 75mpg that lasts half a life time of driving easy. How much $$$ would you have if you got that mileage

[@mattposky2892]

​​@@fastinradfordableTHIS. Manufacturers could build easy to service affordable cars with high MPGs. But it's not something they're interested in or even possible due to our ridiculous government regulations. Nothing about modern cars seems to take into account customer needs or serviceability

[@matttakahashi8283]

@@mattposky2892but are you ALSO 35? 🤨 I’m 35 like the other 2 guys, that’s why I commented questioning your age.

[@revivecleaning399]

Vehicles from the early 2000s just seem to be more solid and simpler to fix.

[@joelmora2826]

My thoughts exactly all my cars are 95-03. Cheap to fix and easy to work on

[@Bonanzaking]

People back then still complained though. The late 90’s and 2000’s were my childhood. The adults complained longingly for the era of the late 60’s. To many a carburated car was easier to fix. You fix a headlight by simply replacing a bulb rather than the whole assembly. It’s nostalgia through rose tinted glasses that’s generational.

[@AkioWasRight]

@@Bonanzaking Older people complained, because they are of a different generation. For modern vehicles, even people younger people complain. Gen Z and Millenials, even we take issues with modern cars. Hardly anything is serviceable because it's too costly. Even for things that were once simple or routine, it can literally total the cost of car. Or it's just not even possible because they require special tools or programing. Honestly, early-mid 2000s was the end of the serviceable car.

[@Bonanzaking]

@@AkioWasRight millennials aren’t exactly young anymore. We’re middle aged just like the boomers were back in the 90’s and early 2000’s. My father was a lifelong mechanic, even in the 90’s he complained about special tools being needed for certain auto makers, that hasn’t changed. During that period one constant thing I recall adults at the time saying was that vehicles were more disposable and not going to last long term, much like today.

[@AkioWasRight]

@@Bonanzaking No, they're not. Millenials are the current generation of adult car buyers. Many became adults and bought their very first car just in the past decade. They are still relatively young. If you're a millennial who's only ever bought a new, all you've known are the current crop of cars with EGR and telematics and DBW systems. Besides, I also mention gen Z. In any case, it doesn't address the issues of whether cars are better or not. I don't care if you were just born yesterday. Objectively, cars are more complex. Much of it to no purpose.

[@AkioWasRight]

There was not enough focus on reliability. Even more importantly, no focus on serviceability. Theses issues are much broader than a turbocharger failing.

[@diavuno3835]

Indeed, my 2014 f150 needs turbo coolant fittings replaced. It's running fine at 200,000 miles... But it's a cab of repair to replace the fittings to fix a slow leak. A bigger non turbo wouldn't have that issue 🤷‍♂️

[@cvcc8083]

Much more than turbochargers. They're doing stuff that adds cost and reduces reliability for absolutely no use in any area. For example: Belts replacing chains or gears. With some engines, they use belts to drive oil pumps. When the belts fail, it destroys the engine, so you have to replace them at a certain interval to keep them working. That's a cost that you never had with chains or gears. And to worsen it, they sometimes put these belts in strange places, like at the back of the engine. You basically have to rip apart the power train to service the belt. With older vehicles, there was nothing like it. They would last indefinitely.

[@MarkR973]

Well stated

[@LafemmebearMusic]

@@diavuno3835that’s a large statement you just made here. Can you back it up with anything other than anecdotal information?

[@LafemmebearMusic]

@@cvcc8083not being rude promise: isn’t what you just described interference vs non interference engines?

[@MDchaz]

Buttons good, screens bad

[@dsm810]

Working for a large dealership chain, we're seeing more recalls/ failures due to so much that can go wrong. I'm hearing comments from customers saying simple less complicated is better. We're seeing a slow down in sales due to pricing and financing options.

[@dillonh321]

Hopefully we see a trend of things going simple again. You don’t need to take features away for those who want them. Just make more basic models and keep the controls of important equipment as physical buttons.

[@johnnytactical3054]

LOL stealerships are getting what they deserve

[@lcwpg]

cars need to have many safety feature these days, need to pass certain emissions..need to save fuel and so much more so everything become more complex but safety the one thing the biggest improvement from cars 30 years ago and its a good thing

[@johnnytactical3054]

@@lcwpg I drove at a time we didn’t have safety features like cameras and vehicle detection. We made it happen without those things, why do we need them now?

[@lcwpg]

@@johnnytactical3054 What happened last time? ppl get killed get injured badly.. its not about you or us get thru it, it's progress not only cars but everything else in our life.

[@mongo64071]

Gasoline direct injection, turbo charging, too much ADAS. Buggy screens that control everything in the car. Junk!! The stuff breaks before the warranty expires. It will never hold up long term. You can’t even upgrade your stereo any more because the screen controls everything!!! I’ll keep my 3.8 V6 Buick Lesabre on the road as long as possible.

[@TheBeatenPaths]

I went from an '07 Ranger to a '19 Ranger. I still miss my crank windows.

[@youtubecarspottersguide1]

have Manuel crank windows in my 2013 ram ,dead battery windows ,parking brake still works

[@LafemmebearMusic]

Fun fact those actually had a high failure rate … 😅you got lucky.

[@LafemmebearMusic]

Also why do you not like pressing the button? It feels like humans in these comments should learn to complain less.

[@TheBeatenPaths]

@LafemmebearMusic I don't dislike pressing buttons. What I dislike is chasing wiring problems, replacing worn plastic parts and not being able to open a window without using the key. There's a lot less complaining having things made more simply, and a lot more to the equation than just how the window opens.

[@EvzenKovar-i5p]

Had an ‘08. Manual crank were the only way to go on Wranglers.

[@LloydSwartz-i4m]

I assumed we would be talking reliability more. I mean even Toyota is in crisis.

[@AlowisciousMahoney]

Right? That’s the most important thing for me.

[@raymond_sycamore]

Nah, they want you to keep buying new cars.

[@LafemmebearMusic]

Toyota is not in crisis. Over all in the decades of sales they have statistics say this is an outlier not the norm. Please, 🙏🏾 😅 please. 🙏🏾 speak with facts and not feelings. Ok?

[@LafemmebearMusic]

@@raymond_sycamoreyes that’s how a business works… That is a bad causality argument especially with Toyota given the history of their vehicles being so reliable… so if your statement is true from the place it’s coming from where you are suspect of them ripping you off, your argument falls apart as you can’t both state how reliable they are and insinuate that they are being built poorly to make you buy a new vehicle. Logic, more logic please. 🙏🏾

[@bobcook8576]

Well, 100k plus replacement engines says otherwise. Just sticking to the facts.

[@RickActual]

37:02 Regarding vehicle weight: There is a trend in new Toyotas. TFL, in one video, pointed out how the hood metal of the GX550 is so thin that it flexes (shimmies) in the wind. On the TinkerersAdventure channel, he measured the thickness of new vs old Toyota truck and SUV suspension components (e.g., lower shock mounts exposed to hits) and found the metal is getting dramatically (1/3 to 1/2) thinner. The Car Care Nut says that Toyota's old vs. new plastic components are significantly thinner. All of that weight savings is going into the hybrid batteries. The new Toyotas are simply not going to last like they used to.

[@backwoodstherapy]

They may last… if you do on road driving only. But once you take them off road, you’ll likely break stuff very quickly.

[@kb9oak749]

It is the same or worse for just about all manufacturers all over the planet. Cheap junk seems to be the rule where it used to be the exception. Brands mean nothing anymore. They all suck.

[@youtubecarspottersguide1]

to much power fold tilt this and that massive moonroofs luxury car bits that add wt and Lower payloads

[@LafemmebearMusic]

You can’t say that definitively

[@Evan_Land]

GREAT to see Alex, Sofyan, and Tommy together!! Also, I’m on team one pedal for sure.

[@craigg4246]

@@Evan_Land I’m on team 3 pedal….

[@godofdun]

I'm also team one pedal.

[@Ymipoor]

Auto stop start is by far the worst thing they have ever came up with

[@peterdaniel66]

And ask how many people have nearly killed have gotten into an accident because they KEEP LOOKING AT THE STUPID SCREEN. Remember when you got a ticket for talking on your phone??

[@lcwpg]

even if car dont have a screen people still look at their phone, these days its just inevitable

[@tmklunk]

Most unsafe thing ever

[@TeslaDo_d]

I can only imagine Alex’s home. He’s got knobs in every room to control Alexa.

[@magnoliap5824]

Missed a few-1. Tire (rim) size becoming too big. 2. Exterior paint quality gone down. 3. No spare trend is back. 4. Cap-less fuel fill. 5. Eye sight monitoring systems

[@doneB830]

When you cannot get your car in gear and are stranded because of a faulty door switch that thinks the door is open is ridiculous, anyone one that drives with his door open should have his license removed why must we all suffer.

[@christianglaude6659]

The screen should Only be for rear camera and navigation and perhaps radio and that's it!!! Leave well enough alone.😊

[@drn13355]

All that matters is does it sell. If they sell and make money they will keep doing it. They are in the business to make money. Not to make some social statement or try to live in the past "just because". If big screens were not selling they wouldn't make them.

[@christianglaude6659]

@@drn13355 of course if you shove them only that crap .... Try getting a Tesla or Mach E without it . And it just isn't safe but then again, do they really care 😂

[@DanGerving]

One of the reasons I got my 23 Honda Ridgeline over some others, the screen is smaller sized and limited functionality. Works for Apple car play and that’s all I want it for. Big screens are a distraction

[@christianglaude6659]

@@DanGerving exactly

[@backwoodstherapy]

Yeah, backup cameras are a nice feature to have and so is all the apple carplay stuff but it’s not critical to the driving of the car. Don’t build critical functions into your screen.

[@ELPJM09]

It’s nice to see the car reviewers all in the same vehicle. They should make more videos together.

[@Nikephorus]

It's hard to believe anyone supports subscription services. You buy a car with heated seats, but you can’t even use them unless you subscribe? That’s absurd. If I'm paying tens of thousands for a vehicle, I shouldn’t have to pay a monthly fee for features that are already there.

[@msolito17]

That’s ridiculous!!!!

[@jonathannewman154]

Thank You!

[@backwoodstherapy]

People will support the most ludicrous positions. I’ve literally seen people support guys who tried to m*rder another person because they… turned around in their driveway. They think someone should be able to end a life over that because “it’s protecting your property.” So yeah, no matter how ludicrous you think a position is, someone out there will support it.

[@cvcc8083]

I agree about the app and connected vehicle thing. If they're providing a remote service like with cellphones or your cable TV, it makes sense that they would charge you. That's not baked into the car and requires support. However, stuff like heated seats are baked into the car at the factory. It doesn't require a service to work. In reality, it's just them controlling you to squeeze you out of more money after the initial sale. It's also creepy that anyone has the power.

[@AHungryHunky]

​@@cvcc8083I feel the same, a regular remote start using the Key FOB? Should just be an option package I pay for once. Being able to start my car from my couch regardless of where it is in the world? That makes sense to pay for since we are now getting into much more complex infrastructure than a simple remote signal. I love the stupid app for my GMC seeing as I live on a street full of people allergic to parallel parking and when I get home at 2 am there isn't any room since they are all parked 9/10s of a car length away from eachother.

[@greentruth89]

Paying a subscription on a car would make me feel like i don't fully own it. If I purchased a car, I want all the features it's capable of doing to available at all time at no extra cost.

[@HDReMaster]

thats the idea

[@backwoodstherapy]

Imagine a time when you buy a car with gps built in and the dealer advertises “base model - all highways and secondary roads open from day one! Premium model unlocks interstates.” 😬

[@hereigoagain5050]

Love the collaboration of Alex, Sofyan, and Tommy. All the EVs passing the Kia Carnival points to the future. :)

[@roadsplorer]

Savings never get past to the customer, give me levers, buttons and knobs. If the screen freezes i want to be able to have climate control.

[@johnwillome1840]

I just want to say that I completely enjoyed all of this. The conversation with the three different car reviewers in the car was terrific.

[@davidjernigan8161]

Screens are a stupid idea as they can and will fail, and are expensive to repair if the parts are available.

[@jcollins1305]

My 18 GC has a known issue where the screen delaminates causing glitches. I have the extended warranty which covered the cost of the replacement (ca. $1000 repair!) Now imagine you’re a month out of warranty! I would go crazy!

[@ScantyMantis989]

The subscription service heated seat conversation makes no sense. He said "if i love in flordia it makes no sense to have them. But if i relocate to somewhere cold then id like to turn them on". BROTHER IN CHRIST THEN JUST TURN THEN ON CAUSE YOULL HAVE PAIDED FOR THEM IN THE CAR WHEN YOU BOUGHT IT. You bought the car with them already in it. If it in the car, then why block access? Do you own the vehicle if you cant use every feature in your car? Id say no you dont own it. Imagine having a paid off vehicle and you cant turn on heated seat or anything else cause you dont have that subscription?

[@Rhondaandjames]

The biggest problem is that Carmakers have increased prices at roughly double the rate of inflation for the past 5 years. A new car now, costs 25 - 45% more than it did 5 years ago. $30,000.00 for a mid grade Toyota Corolla is insanity. Not even gonna mention Truck prices which are hysterically overpriced.

[@youtubecarspottersguide1]

all /most s.u.v. s are more of a loaded 3 row luxury Family school bus $55-$80k

[@tgoods44]

That's really more on your/our gov for not being straightforward with those inflation numbers.

[@Chops00]

They are worse and more expensive. No one needs all the computers and gadgets, hybrid, and 12sp transmission, especially on non-luxury brands.

[@FullTimeGT]

I'm an IT Consultant, for almost 40 years in this field, and I need to keep up to date each and every month as a consultant, sill after all those years. Here's the situation in 2024 in our IT world. Two big things. First one is the complete move of the industry to subscriptions, no exception. The second one is programmed Obsolescence. All car manufacturers will convert one day their industry into software companies programming IOTs (cars). It's a cash cow and they know it. Technically speaking. Digital Displays is the worst nightmare, by far. As I mentioned Digital Displays = Programmed Obsolescence. Let's go in the future in 15 or 20 years, for the ones that still working. Manufacturers will say nope, no longer supported. No Software/firmware updates/upgrades. Security? haha, this one makes me laugh. They break, no parts. Aftermarket, a possibility, if manufacturers give the license rights permissions to redistribute their software(s). Junk yard, no luck, they will be in the same position as you. Digital displays dead out of warranty? Insurances companies will declare your car totaled. Digital display dead, you loose all functionalities, including the simplest and vital one as opening the lights, adjust your climate controls, see you speedometers, etc. Not counting the rest. Great Video!

[@jcollins1305]

“You’ll own nothing and like it”

[@FullTimeGT]

@@jcollins1305 ​Exactly! Rent, finance and subscribe for everything, repeat. And never own nothing at the end, dream life 🤦‍♂

[@447Film]

That is the stupidest heated seat argument ive ever heard

[@RobertEdwards-q6t]

I agree. These 2 clowns are terrible car reviewers. If the vehicle doesn't have all bells and whisles they hate the vehicle

[@Eudamonia-123]

It’s all about government intervention and driving CAFE standards to unachievable standards. It’s the way they are eventually forcing out ICE engines.

[@palebeachbum]

Expensive, failure-prone digital screens have nothing to do with government intervention or CAFE standards.

[@Chops00]

This is why I bought a new Nissan Frontier in 2019. Has 20yr old tech. It has been rock solid, just passed 100k miles.

[@mblake0420]

Have a 2012, zero issues, 150k

[@604h22a]

Same I bought a 2012 pro4x

[@craigg4246]

how often do you clean your carboned up GDI intake ports, and adjust your shimmed valves?

[@mblake0420]

@@craigg4246 ? None its port injected

[@LafemmebearMusic]

Incorrect you have far more tech than you liked to know or admit. You need to understand everything is run by computers. Case in point the xterra and the frontier for a long time were basically the same truck. The speedometer/odometer cluster is very expensive and extremely hard to replace and from 2002 to 2008 was notorious for failing and the entire dash needed to be removed and the parts were hard to find and expensive. Are you sure you broad sweeping generalizations still accurate for you?

[@SweeneyJeffreyJ]

If it ain’t broke don’t fix it

[@nothingtoseaheardammit]

Another thing that sucks about screens is that ... roads in my state are terrible. Frost heaves are a bitch. Being able to hit an icon on a screen with your finger while bouncing around like a jumping bean is so. f*cking. infuriating.

[@Jay-ns5ub]

Sounds like california roads.

[@AHungryHunky]

Yeah, I live in PA and drive at night due to my job. It's not uncommon to have a clear drive suddenly interrupted by fog or your windshield suddenly fogging up. On a 55mph road with no pull off, a cliff on one side and a river on the other, I kind of just need to be able to press a button or turn a knob to fix my sudden inability to see.

[@crisbwilliams]

The good old days meant - 1.a 10 year old car with 100k mile was junk, 2. needing to eplacing your muffler every two tears. 3. automatic transmissions needed to be fixed very 60k miles. 4. paint jobs on cars lasting 5 years before filing apart. 5. tuneups 6. radiator flush every two years. 7. car warranties used to be only 1 year.. and so on.. yeah... how soon people forget.

[@jake51515]

Bro, how are you so bad at writing?

[@tmwei396]

I'm so with Tommy on most points, especially having too much technology.

[@Nyc_wolfpack]

I'm honestly looking for older cars. The way they are made nowadays is not appealing to me.

[@JohnDoe-ht5iw]

As expensive as new cars are everything should be free, a lot of features that they want to charge you for was free just a few years ago???

[@johnnytactical3054]

My old man bough a brand new Chevy Silverado last year. It’s already been back to the dealership multiple times for a short circuit, and some issue with the braking that they had to replace a part. The lady at the dealership told him that all these GM vehicles are having problems.

[@SteveB88]

They are going to be too costly to repair. Back in 2015 I had purchased a 2005 Acura MDX (Now no longer have) that had a screen on the dashboard with all of the climate controls and everything else in it. This car is already 10 years old at the time, six months after owning this thing the brain for the screen goes out. And that was back when the brain was basically a DVD drive with the navigation and everything else on it mounted underneath one of the seats. At the time a used one off eBay ran about $500. And luckily for me, that was just a plug and play swap under the seat that I could do. Now on modern cars everything is in the screen so I can’t imagine what that’s going to cost to replace when I was finally go out.

[@aerynlovell4754]

Over a year ago, I bought a 2016 Canyon, and recently, the screen started glitching. Since my truck is 8 years old I assume that modern technology will last 8-10 years before they fail. At work, we have delivery cube vans that have radio controls on the touchscreen. These trucks are subjected to 8-10 hours of driving on bumpy and dusty roads. Sometimes when I try to turn up the radio the whole screen stops working. A few times turning the truck off and on fixed it but sometimes it remains off for several days and then one day it starts working again. In the days of mechanical controls, when something stopped working, you could replace the defective part. When an old touchscreen stops working, car manufacturers won't sell you replacement computer components because they are in the business of mass producing vehicles. They want new vehicles scrapped/crushed because they want to keep selling you a new vehicle because there is no profit in fixing old vehicles and keeping them on the road.

[@Skotty64081]

On what time frame? I was just thinking how much more reliable cars are these days. Harder to work on, yes. That's a problem. But they last a lot longer than they used to. My first car I bought was a 10 year old car, and it was a rust bucket and falling apart. A 1981 Mercury Capri that I bought in 1991. Within a span of just the first couple of years of ownership, I had rusted through body panels, multiple coolant system leaks, I had to replace the clutch, the timing belt snapped and had to be replaced, brake lines had to be replaced, broken interior parts; it was a constant maintenance activity. A 10 year old cars now will be almost like new and still in generally very good shape and needing very little maintenance. I have a 10 year old car right now and it's in nearly perfect condition.

[@edbrown2061]

All I can say is, the more tech put into a vehicle, the less skilled drivers become. The more a car does to help the driver, the less that driver learns how something works or how to react to a danger presented to them. Studies have shown the safer a driver feels, the more risks they are willing to take. Also, we already have a massive problem with distracted drivers yet the geniuses in automotive companies have the thought of “let’s add more distractions with a massive screen that requires flipping through various pages to turn something on or off”. That being said, be careful what you all wish for. The more tech going into a vehicle means the more control is given to those who make them. We already see ideas of government wanting to control speed and check how many miles you drive. How long before they decide to limit when you can drive?. Car manufacturers have even been selling data collected to marketers and your insurance companies. You go “ ooh and aaah” to the latest tech in vehicles when you should be worried about how your car is spying on you and what being done with that information. I’ll be happy with my gas powered, non connected vehicle when the time comes.

[@447Film]

Hate my mom's new Highlander. Screens everywhere and stupid programs

[@rk-xv4km]

It is people like Sandy Monroe......"the best part is no part" lets save 2 cents per car and 1 milligram.

[@whymaniawhy]

Many examples of how cars are getting worse: 1) they are getting too big and too heavy - for the same segment. The options for smaller vehicles are very limited. 2) Buried controls - takes multiple clicks/operations to get to a commonly used feature - driver distraction 3) Too many things only work as powered options - such as trunk or hood releases. Example - friend's Subaru Outback - the battery died. The jumper cables were in the back in the storage compartment. But couldn't be accessed because the rear hatch couldn't be opened because the battery was dead (dog gate had to be removed with wrenches, then crawl over the back seat, and lift the lid awkwardly, snake my arm around at an awkward angle, pull the jumper cables out).4) Trucks - way too big and the beds are too small. Even the Maverick or Ranger are gargantuan compared to options available in decades past, and the beds are useless. I'm currently shopping for a small pickup - but the only options under consideration are ~20 years old or older. They are the right size and can fit something longer than 5.5 feet in the bed.

[@ShiftE4three]

I think it’s more interesting to ask a mechanic, engineer, software developers or even a diy car owner these questions. I think these guys represent the consumer that’s uninterested in keeping a vehicle beyond 3-5 years/ ownership. Their job has skewed their sense of practicality.

[@architypeone8646]

I drive a 2000 Toyota 4Runner with 260K miles and will keep it on the road until either it dies, or I do. My money is on the 4Runner. Can't stand any of the new vehicles. Too much tech.

[@youtubecarspottersguide1]

same here the basic 2018 4x4 SR5 does evry thing one needs no trubo , does one need a $67k trailhunter or $85k sequoia TRD PRO ?

[@LafemmebearMusic]

Ok grump with a feelings based in elaborated anecdotal argument. It’s fine you like your vehicle the anecdotal broad takes we could do without tho

[@LafemmebearMusic]

@@youtubecarspottersguide1live your life. Don’t judge and don’t be judged. I hate how uncomfortable and noisy the sr5 is but if it’s fine for you that’s good. It’s your money I have no opinion on how you spend it, why do you have any judgement about how someone spends theirs?

[@architypeone8646]

@@LafemmebearMusic I can do without your attitude too!

[@trailrunnah8886]

Nice thing about 4Runners is that they didn't introduce any new tech besides Bluetooth (which is actually handy) up until 2020 or so.

[@directorjustin]

35:50 One thing to consider is if you're slowing down using one pedal driving and have to perform an emergency stop, you have to switch your foot from the accelerator to the brake. In theory, this is going to take more time than if you already had your foot on the brake (in two pedal driving) and simply had to push down on it harder. Again, _in theory_ that small difference in response time _is_ going to extend your stopping distance, but by how much is unknown. Now that I think about it, this would be a perfect subject for Engineering Explained!

Like the screens, hate the lack of buttons and user friendly controls.

[@timothyaoconnell]

Worst thing is the continued separation of the driver from the driving experience. So it’s a little bit of everything - steering, suspension, technology, etc.

[@pauld6967]

When my central screen went out, twice, the only thing that saved me last summer and last winter was the fact that I had physical controls in addition to the on-screen. Thus I was able to turn on and off my heat and air conditioning. I could adjust the temperature but without the screen I didn't know what number, obviously, it was being set to.

[@MrPumpMan]

cars in the late 50 and the early 60's had speed warnings that you could set. I remember my dad's 1961 Buick had a buzzer that you could set with a little needle that moved inside the speedometer. My Dad just set it at 120 MPH.

[@KemApak]

Tommy every point you made completely agree with you.

[@mapwheel00]

I hate that dash clusters are being replaced by screens, and I know why they are doing it. Because it's cheaper to slap a $30 screen in your vehicle and hire a UI guy to make a fancy readout from the ECU than it is to design, mold, and assemble a physical gauge cluster.

[@lcwpg]

i like mechanical watches as much as i like analog gauge but digital have its uses especially if come integrated with android auto/carplay..digital also can show more things and much clearer..not everything modern is bad unless if you are stuck in the past and just dont get technology

[@palebeachbum]

I enjoyed this ride along. It was great to hear the opinions of all 3 of you guys together. More of this in the future, please.

[@justinhenry5033]

I own a 2023 VW Atlas Cross Sport with 29,000 miles. 2.0T engine. At the dealer for an indefinite time with leaking timing cover seals, cam magnet, and oil separator failed. All of the dealers in my region are booked out with vehicles having the same issue. Still not sold on turbo charged gasoline engines for family haulers. (VW has been excellent handling the warranty)

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

Seems odd, VW must be slacking in QC. That engine is very mature and generally regarded as very reliable. And in general the modern turbo engines are more reliable than the engines they replaced, especially for Ford and VW.

[@miodice3]

Very happy the accelerated hardware and warranty point was brought up for purchasing additional power. It absolutely causes a higher warranty rate and mechanical components do have faster wear at higher power

[@christianglaude6659]

Hey Tommy, that older Toyota Landcruiser was perfect and should of stayed like that

[@edwardamo]

One thing some car makers very stupidly haven't figured out is that physical controls/buttons are only better than touchscreen controls if they're somewhere easy to see and reach, or at least easily distinguishable by feel if not easy to see. For example, the hybrid/electric/e-save buttons on the Jeep Grand Cherokee 4xe, which are down by the hood release and totally indistinguishable by feel, are so hard to access and that I'd actually rather use the touchscreen. (It's annoying that Jeep didn't use some of the buttons over the top of the touchscreen for these functions, because those buttons are super easy to use and would have been perfect for that.)

[@lamplighter5545]

I had automatic high beams on my 1965 Cadillac. That implementation worked quite well. First of all, you could dial in the its sensitivity. Secondly, all the controls were integrated into the headlight switch on the dash. Ergonomics matter.

[@Dave2four]

One pedal driving is dangerous in the city. Not just because of muscle memory and the potential for pedal confusion, you can't coast and cover the brake at the same time, which can delay an emergency stop. Here's a case where this applies: If you're going down a street of parked cars with the potential of someone opening their door or someone stepping out in between cars, one pedal is unsafe because that's a situation where you may need to cover the brake for the possibility of an emergency stop. Now, some might argue that automatic emergency braking is for situations just like that, but then that just opens another issue on the effectiveness or necessity of the features. Personally, I don't even like automatic braking. It's just another solution to problem that shouldn't exist. You have to look at these issues holistically. If you've solved one problem with some new feature, that doesn't mean you gained as a whole. Really, people should learn to drive. That's the best solution to everything. In reality, I think all these features are just making driver worse and worse because they are dependent on them, rather than the the skills and sharpness to operate their vehicles.

[@michaelpartridge3723]

Have you used one pedal driving before? If I left of the accelerator I am breaking and if I need to slam breaks it’s already slowing me while my foot makes the quick movement. In my ice truck I’ll coast at the same speed for a very long distance so in an emergency the one pedal driver has the advantage of already slowing down.

[@michaelpartridge3723]

Adding more context If I am doing under 30 in the city and I lift of the accelerator the vehicle stops very abruptly so will probably not need to even touch the brake. That’s why with one pedal driving you have to learn to feather the accelerator.

[@Dave2four]

@@michaelpartridge3723 Yes, I have driven one pedal systems many, many times. What you said doesn't apply to covering the brake pedal. You're taught these things in driver training. Honestly, anyone who doesn't understand the importance of covering the brake shouldn't be allowed to drive. It's basic, basic stuff.

[@michaelpartridge3723]

@@Dave2four yes in ice covering the break pedal is a thing but in one pedal driving it is not because the systems aren’t the same. Ie No need to be ready to pull those rains anymore you can cover the break pedal. No need to cover the break pedal just let off the accelerator. If the argument was your in one pedal driving and the person behind you is in ice if you let go of the accelerator you maybe be brake checking the person behind you I would agree because they have to switch to the brake to slow down.

[@tomlivesay8407]

SCREW SCREENS!!!!

[@sblsbl7600]

I have a 22 Ram 4th gen. Thats my last modern vehicle. I recently drove a 1989 Caprice from BC to Utah to Ontario for a total of 6000kms. Even though it has a 305 I loved driving it. I had forgotten how nice those cars were. It has all the features I need. Its comfortable, manouverable and handles well. Next engine will be a mild performance 350. Next truck will be from the 70s. I'll have it overhauled and swap the engine to either a 5.3 or a 6.0. These modern vehicles won't age well. LED lights will be difficult to find if not impossible. Screens will be very expensive to replace. Modern vehicles aren't built suffiently well enough to last 50 years like the classics.

[@LafemmebearMusic]

Screens are VERY VERY CHEAP. YOU gotta do basic googling before saying things as they are easily disproven as simply your feelings. Other western countries have had LED lights longer than us and the failure rates are not much higher than a normally halogen assembly. Yes they are more expensive to replace but that’s extremely rare. Again everything I’m saying can be easily searched and fact checked. Please remember your words can be too.

[@LafemmebearMusic]

Cars are measurably more reliable and FAR more safe than they once were again easily fact checked. Please do better your feelings are valid but that does not make them fact based

[@nbvolks]

I think there's a few things happening at once. 1. Manufacturer cost cutting. 2. Manufacturers meeting regulations (mpg, safety, etc.). 3. Re-alignment of consumer expectation vs reality. I think we all understand 1 & 2, and both were talked about in the video. But I think 3 is the more interesting. People keep buying trucks and large SUVs, but they buy them thinking they'll have them for towing and hauling loads of stuff......but never do. Manufacturers know this, and know they can commit to meeting numbers 1 & 2 without most consumers noticing or caring. To a certain extent that's the same reason for seeing things shift from physical controls and buttons, to digital display controls. People 'think' they need all these buttons, but most buyers never actually change anything after day one of buying. This has become even more true as more and more cars have driver specific profiles tied to unique keyfobs. And lastly, age is a huge factor here. I think right now, we're seeing in cars, the same thing we saw 15 or so years ago as there was the transition from "dumb" cellphones to smartphones. There was a pretty distinct age split on smartphone adoption early on, with people swearing they'd never give up their Blackberry. But....we know how that played out. We also know how the manufacturers for smartphones developed their phones initially. Some did it well, others took a little longer, and some didn't really succeed at all. All of this is what I see playing out with cars right now. I'd be willing to bet that over the course of the next decade we'll see a settling out in what sees widespread adoption and which manufacturers survive that.

[@imfloridano5448]

Replacing a screen after the warranty period is over will be expensive. Aftermarket is not producing these screens in mass either

[@hey_guesswhat]

I hate the led headlights! They're too bright, blinding constantly. It is just unsafe!

[@dmegahan]

My mom just bought a crown signia, she is coming from a 2013 base explorer. Maybe her favorite feature in the Toyota is “hold” feature. She for some reason loves it more than anything. But she hates the fact that she has to turn it on with each key cycle.

[@culjonez22]

The 2 in the front seats are way less relatable than Tommy.

[@ScreaminEagle54]

One issue I have with subscriptions that were discussed at 23:00 minutes: A point was made was the benefit of subscriptions is you do not have to pay for the feature all upfront. Except you still are paying for those features even if are not subscribed them because you are likely still paying for a higher base price due to the fact that the vehicle had to be equipped with the hardware to run those features. Maybe I'm wrong, but if the car was not equipped with it in the first place, the base price of the vehicle should be lower. One way or another I suspect the manufacturer is still walking away with more money with subscriptions, even if a number of customers don't subscribe to the features. Otherwise they wouldn't have bothered with them in the first place. That's really just a nitpick on my part. I appreciate the topics that were discussed in the video.

[@MrPumpMan]

One peddle drive can be dangerous. What cars absolutely have to have is standardized driver input controls so no matter what model and manufacture that you get into to you can recognize and drive that vehicle.

[@ryanhall3689]

One issue I've had with emergency braking is when a vehicle in front of me slowly shifts over to take a turn and as the driver I know I'm not going to hit him but the vehicle thinks I am due to the speed and tries to break surprising me and potentially causing an accident

[@MrHugemoth]

Newer cars are unnecessarily complex so there is more to go wrong. When shopping for a new car in 2018 I looked for the simplest, least electronically burdened car I could find. KISS. I chose a car without GDI, without any screens or cameras, manual transmission, crank up windows, manual door locks, old fashioned metal key, etc..

[@fortheloveofnoise]

They did the same thing for synthesizers in the 80s....but nowadays everyone has gone back to hands on controls...so expect the screen every control trend to last at least 2 more vehicle generations.

[@hereigoagain5050]

Volvo did a great job in the C40 Recharge of having hard controls for things you need to change while driving and screens for things that you set and forget (unless you like to fiddle with the sound system).

[@raymondowilson8537]

Thanks for driving Alex!

[@roadsplorer]

I havnt driven in a vehicle that I kept the parking sensors on and the lane centering on. Both systems i would rather not pay for and would not buy a vehicle i could not permanently disable.

[@kieransteele7223]

I really like the Kia solution actually. We own a sorento and I mostly leave the little screen as climate control. From the steering wheel you can do all of the audio stuff (with Apple CarPlay and the screen) so I hardly ever switch.

[@Surestick88]

Screens are nice, for the entertainment and nav. The entertainment should still have physical buttons/knobs. HVAC should be buttons and knobs. - Screens need to go dim enough to not blind you when driving at night. - Let me tell the HVAC what to do. Default modes are fine but if I want defrost on, recirculation on, and AC off I should be able to select that.

[@EvzenKovar-i5p]

It doesn’t snow often where I live. I have a Prius I was driving during a snowstorm. It was bad enough that the traction control was activated. This effectively stranded me. It was then that I discovered the vehicle had no way to deactivate this feature. WTF? What a nightmare.

[@WramblinWreck2187]

To me there’s a clear distinction for when to have tactile buttons vs a touchscreen. For any informational function, like the dash cluster (speedometer etc) or navigation or entertainment stuff, all that can be a digital screen or touchscreen activated. Also for deeper settings and functions you don’t need while driving or when the car is off. But lighting, climate control or driving modes should be buttons and easy to reach without looking.

[@burtronomaniac]

Button and switches are they way to go , and I like my ram with a dial and our Yukon has buttons for shifting and it works well, shifters are just fancy switches now anyways

[@stephenpetersen354]

I like my 2019 Ford Ranger. It has physical controls for the important features such as the ebrake. The infotainment is small but it's nice.

[@duridersa]

1810min in. Hes right. All over Europe, South Africa. They've had turbo engines for decades and they don't have the issues we're having

[@gregmg79]

Great collab. Do more please.

[@BrianPetersen-l2w]

Excellent video. Personally, I think it is excessive cost driven by intentional low production of affordable models. Your example of the rare availability of the base Jeep Wrangler demonstrates this. In addition, dealer markups and excessive option tack-ons and the use of TSRP by dealers.

[@stephensalt6787]

Euro NCAP who do safety testing have stated that they will be marking cars down that do not have physical buttons for HVAC, lights,wipers etc.

[@TheOnespeedbiker]

It is an obvious and proven fact large screens are less safe and more distracting. The primary reason is they are not in front of the driver, but in the center of the dashboard. Several studies have conclusively shown that the lack of a speedometer and other necessary information behind the steering wheels leads to a distracted driver and more accidents. Further as mentioned, when a car relies on drivability through a led screen and the screen goes dead, the car is often disabled and the cost is in the thousands of dollars if the screen is even available, which it often is not do to evolving technology and an industry wide shortage of spare parts.

[@nevco8774]

Lane centering is crazy annoying when it nudges the stearing unexpectedly when I avoid a pothole as Andrey said. I keep it off.

[@Curt705900]

On their last comment with the passenger screens, i honestly think they would have a good purpose for those who have families with little kids. Say for example if your on a long road trip and if you got a vehicle with some screens in the back, you could pick out a movie for them, monitor them because some have cameras these days. Something like that then i see a purpose for those.

[@stephensalt6787]

In the Uk a lot of EVs are failing their inspections on brakes that have seized or rusted solid due to regenerative braking/ one pedal driving. In Europe with a standard driving licence you are limited to 3500kgs (7,700lbs)max weight limit. Over that it’s an enhanced driving test.

[@tylersrubar6451]

I like a good screen and good cameras but I don't like basic vehicle operating functions being put in the screens!! Cost savings is bull if it's not being passed on to the consumer and keeping vehicle costs low!

[@TonyBasuro]

I'm pretty sure you can do parking brake turns in that electric Leaf. Retro-fit with a hand brake that grabs the existing cable and deactivate traction controls! The more you use that, the less you'll use that touch screen!

[@briancavanaugh7604]

So in most states it is illegal to hold your phone and do anything with it, such as scroll or text or even talk on it. You phone can at least be held up at eye level and rapidly switched between it and the road with your eyes(not saying do this, I DON"T as I HATE phones and pick mine up twice a day at most) but it's totally cool and legal to look down and to the right at your big arse screen and fiddle away with it endlessly. Quite the double standard. I don't mind screens but I will NEVER purchase a vehicle with HVAC and radio controls solely behind a screen. If that means driving older used cars for life so be it.

[@nolanmartin3640]

36:51 Also, 1 peddle drive vehicles probably have a higher rear end collision rate. Encourages almost stopping before pulling off the road.

[@philipf2705]

I feel like the speed of technology and the feel/need to "keep up" with Tesla are driving other manufacturers to make poor decisions. Decisions that the average person would say "I dont do that, i do this instead". I wish TLF/The Straight Pipes/Car Wow/Yianimize/Redline/Doug Demuro etc were hired by manufacturers to tell them what they like best based on their experience with all brands to choose the best methods. I just feel like sometimes I could make a better design decision that alot of the people working for car manufacturers. I bought a Rav4 Prime over a Model Y, despite what tonnes of people are going to say, for various reasons THAT I CARE ABOUT, i think it's a far better choice long term.