What’s The Future Of Gas And Electric Cars (2024 LA Auto Show Walk Around)!

[@Cloud30000]

“What do you think of this?” “Well, I think…” “Hey look, something shiny over there!”

[@icare7151]

Do we detect ADHD? 😉

[@nothingtoseaheardammit]

Sorry but there is no replacement for the V8. Its more than just the driving dynamics. Its the whole experience.

[@wesryman]

Roman if you’re going to have a guest you have to shut up and let them talk!

[@LetMeCook86]

😂 Roman sux

[@shitloveaduck]

The guest was interrupting Roman just as much & couldn’t get to the point fast enough for the discussion. It’s Journalism. 😊

[@mpeugeot]

Roman would rather everyone aee how annoying he's truly capable of being.

[@kevinManhattan]

Not really

[@showmemorefunthings9208]

The Willys in that color and matching wheels looks good.

[@Molishious]

I don’t even like jeeps but I really like it in that green.

[@rodgood]

It may look good, but is exactly opposite of what made Jeep popular .

[@Tradetrade620]

Roman loves to be in control

[@bradj9870]

walking away from Corvettes to honda...y'all are those wedding reception DJ's that play a slow song at the just the wrong time.

[@Van_Liberty]

Motoman called it about culture. Will immediately be subbing…🤣😇

[@adamweber1545]

George’s final comments about EVs and comparing them to mobile phones is spot on.

[@mitchstein288]

Right? I was thinking that too but for enthusiasts sake, I hope not. Otherwise we're looking at yet another subscription in our lives (a car).

[@Arexodius]

@@mitchstein288 Agreed, but cars sort of already are subscription based. That's what leasing boils down to. Ownership has been getting more rare these days among private individuals. The WEF overlords are simply preaching changes that their crowd initiated long ago. What they don't tell you is that they will own everything for you, pigs that they are.

[@mitchstein288]

As far as electric cars go, I think we need to let the market dictate what the manufacturers do, not the government. The government pushing electric cars (California making it so you can't buy a new ICE by the year 2035 is a great example) is costing manufacturers Billions of dollars. Just look at GM. They went "All in" and quickly found out if they wish to remain profitable, they need to back up the truck. When the demand is there and the time is right, the market will show that. Right now, the infrastructure is not there. The TFL crew did a great job of showcasing that when road tripping EVs across the country and by the end it was hours and hours of extra time charging. Some company will innovate battery tech and change things in a huge way. It's not there yet. Why are EVs falling off? (Tesla is still doing OK) It's really pretty simple, there's not enough reason yet to deviate from ICE. Gas is relatively affordable, and there's not a substantial advantage.

[@adamweber1545]

The auto industry is phasing out vehicles that I want to buy and producing vehicles that I have no interest in buying. Trying to remodel the auto industry into something similar to the mobile phone industry just makes me not care anymore about future vehicles and makes me want to keep what I already have for as long as possible.

[@mrjack8849]

I feel the same way. I have bought my last new car ever. I will be trying to maintain older vehicles at this point.

[@HP-ov7ol]

Amen!

[@nothingtoseaheardammit]

Love seeing you two talk about how the companies who were slow to embrace electrification are now the ones that are best situated to succeed. Would love to go back to past years videos to see how many times you were like "if they don't get on board the electrification train, they're cooked!".

[@ConfirmedPatriot]

If Jeep makes that intro Willy’s without the 2.0 liter turbo with an electric motor and put the Pentastar in it I’d consider it.

[@adamweber1545]

The 2025 Corvette ZR1 has 1,064 HP and 828 lb ft torque with a top speed of 233 mph. It has 2 different aero packages. A standard aero package without the high wing and dive planes, and an optional carbon fiber aero package as shown in this video. Downforce is needed to keep a vehicle controllable at high speeds.

[@Joehatrix]

This video is all over the damn place. The two of you Can’t work together with the huge egos bumping every 5 seconds. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@fenceman53]

I agree with Motorman

[@B49nope]

There is NO replacement for the V8!!!!! It's not horsepower or torque that can easily be replicated... It is THE SOUND! That's the part, we V8 people love.

[@Aggie4life77]

Don’t matter and I promise you, outside of car enthusiasts, nobody cares. It’s not enough of you! Also, it’s not even about this generation! It’s about that 10 year old that by 2035-2040 will 20-30 years old. They will go EV! Why? By the time they are in the market, the infrastructure will be much better, battery tech will be much cheaper! Uber will be driverless electric cars! It will be a different world! When it comes to EV’s fully taking over, it’s not about if, it’s when! ICE it’s about the sound, BlackBerry, it was about the keyboard! See what I’m getting at? Tech moves forward, not backwards!

[@christianglaude6659]

Hi TFL Why do you have a time limit? Thanks Great podcast at the auto show

[@LetMeCook86]

Because Roman is lazy, unprepared and never puts in any effort at auto shows. He just wings it and wants to get out of there year after year.

[@davidjernigan8161]

Isn't there a stop sale on the 4xe jeeps along with a notice to not park them in a garage due to fire issues?

[@GlobalWarning-dv5el]

Guy in the blue shirt had some interesting things to say but was constantly interrupted by the guy in the black hoodie with nothing to say.

[@Just_Joe71]

This is probably the worst episode of TFL I've ever seen. It's all over the place. Roman is rushing around like a chicken with its head cut off. We learned absolutely nothing because Romans ego wouldn't let Motoman talk. It might be time for Roman to go behind the scenes. This is why Tommy gets so frustrated with him. Ridiculous.

[@armandocardona6975]

Don’t worry Roman, we don’t all feel this way, keep up the good work

[@petermello55]

Yeah he can have this pretentiousness to him sometimes, combine that with him making a point that makes no sense, it’s a recipe for disaster.

[@exploreoutthere6678]

Motoman is the problem. Roman said he wanted to get through as much as he can and Motoman is stopping to talk to "Important" people just to flex. It's Romans channel anyway.

[@Arexodius]

It did feel rushed, and I would have liked Motoman to get to finish some of his points. But I wouldn't blame it on anyone's ego. Roman feels a responsibility to try and meet what he anticipates the audience expects. That's what I'm picking up at least. And they did have some ground to cover in the span of an hour.

[@ZOMGscubasteve]

Motorman comes off as an arrogant prick in this episode though. Like he did a line in the bathroom before they started filming.

[@Beattheroutine]

Didn’t know Roman was such a Tesla hater for absolutely no reason. The other guy kept speaking with facts, Roman just looked foolish on this video.

[@ScottDC-Rehoboth]

This was a great video for me as i love both your KZbin channels. Love you boys! Keep up the great conversations.

[@thomasm.7058]

I love what and how you are doing your shows. It's so normal with a bit of chaos always....

[@SeanDuu]

They walked past the Wagoneer S without noticing it. No Wonder Stallantis is in trouble.

[@FRWD_FXLRST]

Motoman is 100% correct about the culture.

[@obeidkaifo3169]

Look forward to this video every year! Thanks!

[@billydanzz]

Enjoyed watching coverage of the appliance show.

[@frankr111th]

Jeeps are just too expensive. They've got to develop a model below The Wrangler that has some off-road chops, that can start under 30K.

[@parknlotp.i.m.p]

@frankr111th Yes. It’s called Renegade.

[@shitloveaduck]

@@parknlotp.i.m.pThe vehicle you described is what the Wrangler was. The manufacturers maximized the profits n them but now, if you really want one, you can aggressively get almost $10K off of a Rubicon, especially the 2 door because they don’t sell in volume. I happen to like them, but that’s an old school thing.,

[@jamesonpace726]

OEMs "training" us to think $80-90k for a new car is okay? That's their great sales strategy? You've got to be kidding....

[@geomax3465]

The guy who hate screens in the VW is RIGHT!... I HATE SCREENS IN CARS. Bring back buttons, knobs and craftsmanship... PLEASE!

[@briancavanaugh7604]

38:28 So cars will be akin to public restrooms, that sounds like a great future. How about the WEF and little klaus worry about themselves while I continue to own my belongings, some of which ensure dbags like klaus will NOT be pushing some of us around with their vision of the future. Signed someone who just bought a F-350 because I FOOKING CAN.

[@B-rad303]

99% of us aren't into downforce, it's hard enough to afford weekly bills, let alone buy any kind of a new vehicle.

[@la897]

Motoman you rock…the all the fleas together line was fantastic and 100% accurate

[@icare7151]

Here in the Colorado Rocky Mountains in my neck of the woods, Jeep inventories are at record high levels. People want the v8 and much lower pricing. Ford offers the v8 and has become more competitive in pricing.

[@scotturich]

The reason that Toyota is biggest car company in world right now is because they didn’t let the world bully them into something they knew wouldn’t be profitable and sustainable. They may eventually do EV’s but it will be on their terms and not someone else’s plus they were one of the Pioneers of the Hybrid and have doubled down on something they know very well. The only bad decision that they made lately was sourcing the blocks for there large trucks and going to hybrid on those which will be disastrous for them.

[@fakamada]

Funniest comment ever. Toyota is dying. Admit the truth.

[@daweed980]

​@@fakamada their revenue says otherwise

[@fakamada]

@@daweed980 They recorded a huge profit drop. Google it and read it. It's free.

[@TheVitalishe]

As to the comment that people will put politics apart when question comes of saving $5K when buying electric. Certainly some will, but many will not especially since electric has more to do with feeling than with economics (at least at the moment).

[@dtlusk24]

😊😊 always enjoy this collaboration!!!!

[@TFLtalk]

We’re glad you do!

[@pan4632]

Roman is making this nearly unwatchable. Let him talk, jeez...

[@carlov.3017]

MotoMan is right, it is a culture war. By the way, great episode, love when MotoMan is on.

[@ronvanr5359]

I like the point and counter point chat.

[@egger2500]

hehe, like your walk and real talk - THX

[@mtrctylarry]

Motorman, you are spot on with your statement concerning degradation of society. Social media is spreading hate and disrespect for one another. Hence the great discourse and division in the world today….Very sad indeed.

[@MatthewTheCCMA]

God another video I couldn’t finish. Y’all please don’t let Roman interview anyone anymore!!!!!

[@smithjones1906]

The CT5 is a good car. I had no idea until I rented one for a month. It's slower than the equivalent BMW + I've never really liked Cadillac, so I had a massive blind spot about it. If you just want a really nice, well-built sedan, and do not care about being the fastest, consider the CT5. *I have not driven the Blackwing!

[@adamweber1545]

The Blackwing is on an entirely different level of performance. It’s a C7 ZO6+ in a sedan form.

[@mitchstein288]

The Blackwings will be future collectors. Such cool cars. Plus, they have a bit of a unique engine, which further adds to the appeal.

[@Ronn-p3r]

21:04 I've never once ever heard Roman mention Oldsmobile..thts my brand..thanks Roman 😊

[@rctezluh42069]

"cannot stop the battery." james hetfield of metallica, 1984

[@la897]

More Motoman!

[@Michael-oj5pr]

Yeah, not touching ANY stellantis shit: just another color, some stickers and 40K more...and they love to explode

[@AdrianFeliciano-vw1cp]

Seen a new electric Charger at PHX. I believe it had that speaker exhaust thing. It really blended in with traffic to be honest

[@thoscrich]

To pick up on the thread of conversation at the end of the video, twenty-five to fifty years from now, I think it will be challenging to collect any car from today due to how complex the electronic components have become (both the hardware and the software) and how quickly these components are currently changing. I don't think the issue will be is it gas or electric, I think it will be an issue of can we get working components. Maintaining a Ford Model A from 1930 or a Studebaker Lark from 1960 will be so much easier because of how simple they are in comparison.

[@nlken7175]

CTV 5 blackwing is a wicked cool sedan.

[@2elgnismi]

Saw the jeep and said I gotta have it, then I saw it was a plug in and now I wouldn’t have it

[@FRWD_FXLRST]

Roman is a total Boomer in regards to Tesla. 😂😂😂

[@doomsday9973]

Completely. I think hes still ticked that TFL didnt get invited to the cybetruck event.

[@situationaladventures]

The episodes with Motoman walking thru auto shows or events don’t need a time limit. Stop rushing. A majority of us would listen to 2 or 3 hours of the good content that happens on these collaborations. The rushing ruined this episode.

[@patrickirish8110]

I really enjoy it when you two do your annual round-up. You banter well, respectfully disagree, and kick around a lot of solid info. Well done, gents!

[@TFLtalk]

Thanks for that!

[@MyViewToronto]

They didn't talk about how most of the cars/trucks on the Chrysler lots are not selling. Some cars have been sitting on the lots for almost 3 years.

[@jsfbay1]

@56:07 I had planned to buy it but it's missing features, the biggest for me (65 GTO in the 1970's, along with the much faster late 60's Hemi Roadrunners) is no Hybrid Max powertrain. I want to have a little bit of fun in my wagon (of which I have owned 4 over the past 40 years) and without the Hybrid Max, it's a great wagon that's a snoozer to drive. Just my opinion, YMMV. Oh wow, George agrees with me! Yes, I would buy it (esp. with 400 hp) and I'd pay $60 grand.

[@plokmko0]

A firewasll transverse mounted 3 cyl that uses the cylinder bank and head from the Pentastar v6 to save cost and better weight distribution is the ideal range extender

[@americanrambler4972]

You guys ping ponged off into a lot of directions with some memorable moments. The thing I noticed was that we have vehicle styling going off in a lot of directions at the moment. The copy cat me too look by everyone copying everyone else is at the lowest point than it’s been in years. The new Hyundai Santa Fae is definitely different and you definitely notice it out in traffic. The cyber trucks are noticeably more prevalent out on the roads now. The new Cadillacs are now good premium looking cars again. Stellantice is in a world of hurt right now because of product management misfires. Nissan is coming back to life, but the Z sports car is way outshined by the corvette. There were some really good looking entry level cars in the mix. Buick is showing some signs of new life. Ford is kinda stuck on pause at the moment style and model wise. People doing stupid around teslas out on the road is still a thing. However tolerance for that behavior may be beginning to run short.

[@icare7151]

My 2015 Lexus AWD RX450h hybrid charges while I drive and charges going down hill without using the engine.

[@yo93yeah]

33:50 what channel are they from ?👀👀

[@CptRameus]

That was Charlotte and Gabby from Kia Hyundai Channel. Hard working gals from Canada.

[@yo93yeah]

@CptRameus thank you sir 👌

[@nathanshufelt6191]

The market is a mess. At the rate things are going, I'll have a hard time as a single person ever affording a new vehicle ever again. The cost of a vehicle is getting to be as much as a mortgage, and we don't have a 20 or 30 year payment program.

[@BrianJacobson]

Teslas sales are not down

[@kennedyracing7527]

I drove a 4 xE and it was weird. Too much complexity

[@thomasragan4386]

no EVS.

[@stanwilliamson2812]

No one wants to talk about boring Stellantis.

[@ectofix8447]

Roman, the best thing about watching this stuff on a social media platform is its raw honesty and impromptu delivery. The worst thing is reading all the keyboard warrior's dip shit comments to complain about EVERY SINGLE THING they can find to complain about. It's quite unbelievable...and actually hilarious, to say the LEAST. Thanks for having a thick skin to hang in here and keep producing more videos. I have always believed that if you don't have something good to say - don't say it. WELL, I do... I have always enjoyed when you and Motoman collaborate. You two have some interesting discussions. Comical too. I about fell out of my chair when you flippantly said you were gonna follow with with your group (of the high school crowd) and Motoman said, "That's was just a little creepy, don't ya think." 🤣

[@christianglaude6659]

I really dislike the way GM is doing their dashboards as well as Hyundai and other companies that does the "slap a screen on the dashboard and call it a day" Once the dies , its a brick.

[@mitchstein288]

As for success of a brand, I think the two MOST vital points are: Appeal and quality. I think Stellantis is becoming a bit of a sinking ship is because of quality. The brand is rife with quality issues. That undermines consumer trust. Also, does the new Hornet really appeal to people? It may be too early to tell, but I think initially it's a flop and it's going to go the way of the Chrysler 200. Gone. People may have strong opinions on Mr. Musk, but he made/makes cars that appeal and totally broke the paradigm on electric cars. He single handedly made them cool. He made it out so that's the one people wanted in front of their house.

[@loudandclearmedia]

Great video, guys! I'm curious though, why did you guys steer away from the ID Buzz display? Is it just that you think it's had a lot of coverage lately? I agree about Musk too. He's very polarizing, sure, but he's also steering the course of humanity in a way that is not otherwise possible and that's pretty spooky. There's a lot of value in studying that.

[@magnoliap5824]

Yes it matters that an SUV is 9,000 pounds when it runs head on into a sedan.

[@paranormalwheelers]

How about make jeeps that are reliable, 75, ooo miles and my jeep engine is shot , and they refuse to fix it even though it had regular scheduled maintenance

[@Jeffro-n4d]

I love the range extended EV concept. There's no way the Ram Charger would fit into my garage, though. A 2 door Ram Dakota or Jeep Gladiator EV or PHEV that would actually fit into my garage and budget would be sweet! A solar bed and/or sunroof would be even sweeter!

[@Molishious]

There will be a Gladiator PHEV but I think it will just be a Jeep 4xe platform which means short EV range. It would be awesome if they were using the Ramcharger technology. That is if it works.

[@dakotaumass]

This TFLtalk was a bit garbage, guys. I understand what you were trying to do as far as coverage.....but it just didn't work. Y'all were constantly talking over each other, had no flow, and to be honest, you were a bit rude (more than once) to other patrons. Talking over, and walking into someone else's frame while they are creating a video is not a good look.

[@TheSara200424]

We need a full video on that frame ❤❤❤

[@1antisupercat]

The 4xE is so good they catch on fire and get recalled.

[@lh8372]

The state of the auto industry is the prices have increased way more than wages so they are not affordable. Did I miss something?

[@NoShadowOfDoubt1]

If they could stop adding these dumb led bars in the front for the whole width of the EV cars, What an ugly trend

[@showmemorefunthings9208]

@@NoShadowOfDoubt1 I agree, I'm also not a fan of the long LED brake light across the back of the vehicle. They are getting so bright due to the amount of light that it's getting difficult to see at night when stopped behind a vehicle with this setup.

[@tonystorcke]

​@@showmemorefunthings9208 The LED's are eventually going to be used to identify self-driving cars.

[@jamessellards7157]

Totally agree with the culture war!!!

[@JamesSusanka]

pretty disgusting when you cannot wrap your truck in the American flag. people don't like it they need to leave the country. everything from gm looks like it has been designed in korea. except for the corvette.

[@RichiPuppi]

If you want to really see what is wrong with the auto industry, park an original Willys next to that new one, you can probably fit four in the space that thing takes up.

[@Ahmadaly7777]

What a brain dead take, you realize that in the old one more than a fender bender is death sentence. This applies to every car pre-99

[@zgdafzgdaf4264]

lol, Roman likes to point out EV credits, but no mention of oil subsidies.

[@randyfrommesaarizona6927]

No price will get me to buy anything Elon has his hand in.

[@doomsday9973]

He's richer than ever now. Your little protest means nothing except giving yourself a dopamine hit.

[@jjboohoo9641]

They missed the mark... The best car with the best quality and value is the Mazda

[@wasupmike22]

2:58 that side panel is coming off lol 🤦‍♂️

[@kylecannon5679]

The problem of all vehicles is they are getting more expensive and less reliable

[@warrendonaldson4144]

Zero interest in EVs....

[@bwer2]

Stop talking EVs

[@marklewandowski5996]

"we wrapped our cyber truck in an American flag and people didnt like it". Imagine not liking the American flag

[@MrHemikid426]

This is the downfall of Jeep. A hybrid their forcing on consumers that don't want the expensive cost or problems associated with this POS. This idiot keeps saying it's best selling, but what he fails to mention is that if you want a new Jeep wrangler, this is what the lots have, nothing else. Hopefully, when the incentives get removed, this crap hybrid system will disappear forever.

[@christopherjb274]

Its actually the opposite. Stellantis only sells 4xe wranglers in the 14 CARB states In the other 36 states you can only buy gas on lots. Stellantis is not happy they are being forced to do this and have sued CARB because CARB cut a deal with ford, gm, bmw and others that softens the regulations for them. That being said anyone can still go to a dealer and order any jeep they want. I own a deisel rubicon on 37s and I find the 4xe to be very innovative. Considering only new 4xes are sold on lots in 14 states and its still the best selling hybrid in America for like 3 years straight...thats impressive

[@RichiPuppi]

Companies make what people buy, the buying public is the problem.

[@Molishious]

@@christopherjb274 Interesting information. Thanks for the clarification.

[@KemApak]

I just bought a new car and the reason why I did not buy a Toyota was their customer service, it is beyond terrible. They try to shovel it in your throat things you do not want. Toyota needs to fix their dealers, and quality of their customer service.

[@icare7151]

Bummer as I thought the retro Jeep was going to be an affordable Jeep version @ $25,000.

[@jimblair6458]

ADHD Car Channel!

[@campingeast]

Motoman is so focused on Europeans. I guess that's his expertise.

[@ericgreenblatt196]

Electric/Hybrid autos are a scam. So you’re telling me they are charging what between $7-10k for a battery that gives me 25 miles of range? You got to be kidding me…..

[@Lets-do-this-]

Customers do care about Nissan CVT transmission for instants they would have to pay me to take it home

[@firewalker6712]

Won the popular vote!

[@icare7151]

Rather have the v8

[@andrewshenton6541]

Iff you dont complain nothing changes