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0:00 Intro
0:39 Xeon 2623 v3 VS i3 14100
2:24 UGREEN Sponsor
3:20 The 4 core builds
4:29 Desktop performance
6:14 Gaming performance
8:33 Transcoding
10:20 Disk speed
10:53 Thats weird...
11:37 How are they as servers?
13:04 Conclusion

[@dirtyvinyl8817]

"Are you running a fossil like this in your home lab?" brah I got the whole museum in here.

[@Psikeomega]

Resonates with me since I used to work for an electronics recycling company and if it was in line with our contract with our clients, the owner let us tinker with stuff all the time. It used to be a blast...

[@justanothertim]

13:35 "Who's running a fossil like this in your home lab?" Cue tears as I watch this on my i7-2600k daily driver

[@hellsing56666]

2500k here, an overclock beast that still manage to live.

[@shephusted2714]

that is actually a pretty good chip

[@mpacholik]

I’m also still running a 2600K on a P8Z68-V Pro motherboard. It bottlenecks my 2060 Super so badly haha

[@acubley]

I should be so lucky: i5-2320. But my total investment (minus drives) is like $40 so I can't really complain.

[@bhume7535]

get yourself a 1151 motherboard some ddr4 and a cheap aliexpress laptop CPU with one of those desktop adapter PCBs plastered onto it. Pretty cheap and easy upgrade for all of about $200 give or take what deals you can snag. On black friday I got a 6 core for $40.

[@szszg]

Xeon user here, as I pulled it from the WEEE, did cost me 0 moneys, and good enough for everything.

[@isaacjjones]

3:55 "Hit up Gamers Nexus..." SAVAGE 💀 🤣🤣

[@Erikaat_]

6:07 Who's gonna game in a 10yo Xeon? Until September 2023 when i upgraded to a Ryzen 5 5600, i used to run a supermicro server board with two Xeon X5650 as daily driver. So yeah, i was gaming in a 13yo Xeon platform.

[@jeffcrowe4899]

I would rather have the older Xeon in a home lab environment over consumer. The thing you pointed out was the PCIE lanes, for those who have an extensive home lab, 10/40/100gb cards, multiple HBA's and a GPU the consumer side of thing dies when it comes to lanes. is this a perfect use case? NO but it is something to think about. Quad channel memory + ECC is sexy when rocking out truenas. I feel the Xeon got the shit end of the deal due to the Chinese motherboard only supporting dual and not quad channel memory... would it have helped... probably not but to each their own. Regardless great job on the video!

[@b0ne91]

Forthat price, it could've run an E5 2680 v4 and a Chinese board that isn't actual trash. Supermicro X99 boards are also down to

[@loginimpossivel]

6:07 Who is gaming with a Xeon? A lot of people. My HTPC is a E5-2666v3 paired with a chinese RX580 that plays almost all my steam library at 30-60 fps. That was so cheap that I made another one "for fun". Maybe some homelab stuff in the future.

[@MrSamadolfo]

X3470 4/8

[@blademan7671]

6:07 Who is gaming with a Xeon? Thanks to Toasty Bros, I picked up a Lenovo P520 workstation, upgraded the cpu to Xeon W-2155 10c/20t, and 128GB DDR4-2666 ECC ram, and threw in a GPU. Rocks 1080p all day without a sweat. Workstations rock for value. When it gets too old, relegate it to server duty.

[@5467nick]

@@blademan7671 I just bought an HP Z4 G4 off ebay. It's the HP competitor to the Lenovo P520. Mine has a Xeon W-2135 and 64GB of DDR4-2666 ECC memory and I think I might upgrade it to the max of 256GB in the future (512GB is supported with Xeon 22xx CPU, but those are still much more expensive than Xeon W21xx models that perform almost identically other than max RAM support). They and the same generation Dell are a great value right now. They're by far the cheapest way to get a lot of PCIe 3 lanes (48 lanes) dirt cheap while still having respectable single threaded performance. OEM LGA 2066 Xeon W computers are great cheap for PCIe-card reliant homelabs.

[@antoniocheca]

One of the things I loved about this video is that first of all shows how much processors have evolved regardless of them having similar spec numbers but also that folks should not be afraid of choosing an entry level cpu like the i3 it would be interesting if you can find a celeron/atom procs and do and updated video to contrast those as well.

[@lil_pai]

Great and interesting video as always! As a headphone user though, I would recommend looking into your microphone settings and perhaps seeing if there's a sort of filter you can apply, as the background hissing and static is sort of distracting. Anyway, keep it up!

[@truckerallikatuk]

For homelab, the PCIe lanes can be more important than performance.

[@Adam130694]

For $15 you can buy 2660v3 with 10C/20T + turbo-unlock which would kick newer CPU's butt...

[@blademan7671]

I think this misses the main point when one looks at an older Xeon: value. A better comparison would have been to spend a similar total amount for cpu, mobo, and gpu, at the least. Or a similar total price for all pieces. For $20 cpu and $100 gpu (like a Tesla P4 or Quadro 600, or desktop GPU), you can probably 2-3x the iGPU in the i3. I run a TrueNas Scale with Xeon E5-2695v2s in a SuperMicro SuperServer using 12 out of 36 HDD bays primarily for Plex with an Nvidia Quadro P600 for transcode. I love your stuff! ROWL in da house! 😂

[@mikekane9734]

Just curious how much it draws from the outlet in idle?

[@blademan7671]

@@mikekane9734 200 watts.

[@b0ne91]

I understand why you'd want to compare 4 cores vs 4 cores (regardless of massive vs baby cache). But I think it's definitely worth pointing out that for the price you paid for the 4 core Xeon, you could've bought an E5 2680 v4 (14C/28T) for the same price, if not even cheaper.

[@asmi06]

It would still suck in most cases, but consume much more power and require much more noisy cooling.

[@nadtz]

@@asmi06 Not really, I have a 14core v3 xeon and yes it eats up more power (120w) but because it clocks lower uses the same amount of cooling. If we're talking a 1u system especially at full tilt 24/7 then yes it will be a lot louder but in a 4u rackmount or tower system the noise difference is pretty much a wash. The difference in power cost will also vary wildly by where you live.

[@asmi06]

@nadtz you just confirmed what I said. Modern low-end cpu is better in every metric, and it won't require ridiculous cooling (and yes, large case is a part of cooling system). I will take i3 in a mini-pc over a stone age cpu in insanely large case for a homelab.

[@nadtz]

@@asmi06 Not every metric, less pcie lanes, may or may not use ECC, then there are things like IPMI and bifurcation. In general for most use cases I'd agree with you but not for all. I have customers still happy with older Xeon systems because they do everything they need as much as I'd like to get them on newer hardware.

[@asmi06]

@nadtz we're talking about home labs here, not commercial clients. Although I would say for business, there's even greater imperative to use modern hardware, as having warranty and vendor support is important because they usually can't afford being down for extended periods of time.

[@Charlie_Strats]

Loved this! Would also be nice to check against a 5th gen i5, same core count similar clock speed 👌👌

[@ashtonwell6365]

Running two r710's with even older xeon's and a I7-870 dailey driver. Servers were $35 bucks 5 years ago and the I7 was a dumpster find.

[@Jimmy_Jones]

Wow. Wish I got mine for that. I paid £200 and now that energy prices have gone up (even when I had it "new") it's just too expensive to run. So a celeron desktop for 24/7 use is required.

[@ionamygdalon2263]

Fantastic video! Really enjoyed watching it and found it plenty of food for thought!!

[@NightHawkATL]

I think the big kicker is the parts cost from Xeon to 14th gen Core CPUs. THey look good on paper but having to spend $1000+ to get there is a limiting factor for some. I like the older stuff for servers because I can typically get them to run around 140-150w at the outlet with all that I do. Plus, they are usually in rack-mount cases lol. But I do have a newer Beelink with a 12th gen and it is nice.

[@JGunny92]

My homelab until recently consisted of 2 2500k machines and a 2400 machine. Found a couple 8th Gen i7 HP Mini pc's to migrate all my docker / vm's onto. Just need to sort something for storage now, but the difference in performance & power draw is insane.

[@healthy5659]

Hello, I am gaming on a 10 year old Xeon :) Bought a combo with a motherboard + 8 core CPU + 32 GB RAM on AliExpress for 50 USD (shipping included). Using it with a 2070 Super which I already had as well as a Noctua cooler. To be honest, I have no idea how this setup compares to modern CPUs, but I only play games on rare occasions so I wanted something as cheap as possible but that could still get the job done when needed. So far it's been quiet, cool and I am happy with the performance. Also, given how cheap it was, I won't feel bad when it inevitably comes time to upgrade!

[@Jims-Garage]

Great video, Brett. I tried a similar thing for a gaming rig with an old Xeon and came to the same conclusion, the 1%s were really problematic for me. I think I'm going to be building a new server this year...

[@RaidOwl]

I’ve convinced you to snag a brand new 2623 haven’t I?

[@84Actionjack]

Yeah, I'm running one desktop with a 2650 cpu. I use it mainly for monitoring my server via remote desktop.

[@TheRealClutch1010]

I had a large case, PSU and RX470 sitting around so I bought a dual socket X99 from Aliexpress with dual 2680v4s and 64GB of DDR4 ECC RAM for about $175. I've added a couple old 2TB HDDs and installed Proxmox with a TrueNAS Scale VM that has passthrough for the SATA controllers. I'm going to add a quad port NIC next month and this will become my router as well. When it all dies of a mysterious failure, I'll only have my salty tears to console me. But, for a system to play with just about anything I want, I love it. PCI passthrough works well, so if I want a cheap transcoding system I'll throw in an Intel ARC 300 series. For now I have some idle CPU cores I can throw at it. Am I using a lot of electricity? Probably, I haven't measured it honestly. Also, Go Broncos! One of my biggest regrets moving away from Denver is missing watching Denver for free.

[@privatebenfallsprivat8428]

Nice video, enjoyed it. You know what I would like to know? How the xeon would do against the 7800x3d or 5800x3d or at least 14700k in 4k gaming. I want to build a PC which is both - a home server with bifurcation, which needs many pcie lanes, and gaming. The only alternative is expensive TR system. And Im sure in 4k there is no difference. Pergaps you could take something line 4080 or 4090. Cheers

[@TantissTheEmperor]

Xeon 2600 v3/v4 are only for my pfsense box and my TrueNAS box. Now I run Xeon Scalable 2nd gen for the hypervisor. But I was thinking about buying a 12 or 13th intel core box to migrate my essential services and lower my power consumption. And keep the big boys for punctual use/testing/labing.

[@mikehardy7060]

I think there are many people who run dinosaurs, my personal daily driver is an i5-3470 4 core 4 thread with 8GB RAM. I can only dream of more, but having said that, it still does the job 😃

[@Godonstilts]

Can you link us to Gamers Nexus's 8 part mini series, sounds like a must watch

[@nadtz]

For the resolve thing I'd guess that's the motherboard. I had no problem with Resolve on a V3 Xeon in a dell system with both an AMD and an Nvidia GPU before I upgraded to my current system. Those old Xeons are also respectable gaming machines, not top of the line by any means but for 1080/1440 gaming they work pretty well considering the cost/performance. Gen 3 PCIE is starting to show it's age though, even for homelab stuff depending on what you do of course, but those pcie lanes are also a benefit as 20 on newer consumer stuff often isn't enough. For instance you might get bifurcation on a consumer board (not sure on those chinese boards) but you generally get it on a workstation or server board, and if you want to add more than say a HBA and 10gb NIC you are probably out of luck unless you get very specific boards. That said if your needs are minimal newer CPU's offer pretty good bang for buck from either AMD or Intel, especially if you can get away with some of the low power mini PC's.

[@HakonBroderLund]

I’m running two truenas core systems on a E3-1230v2 each. One with 16x 10tb and one with 8x20tb netting about 100tb usable each. Works great. Only limiting factor is the relatively small 32gb ram. When I upgrade it is purely for the added RAM, otherwise they work great.

[@ewasteredux]

This is surprising although it does make some sense. The price difference between them is not insignificant. But I will say that real advantage is that you can get an entire/complete "fossil" for the same price as just the new i3 (CPU only and the Xeon would be very used). I would be curious to know how the AMD Ryzen would fit into this comparison both for price and performance.

[@ericspecullaas2841]

My home lab setup has a xeon 6138 with 2 Nvidia Tesla P100s ams 256gb of ram (i hate seeing empty memory slots). I transition it from server to workstation 😂 from time to time when i need something big done. I figure the extra 16 cores and ddr4 ram allows me to get the job done. Im currently saving up for the HL15 because i want one then i can have dedicated equipment for each

[@userperson5259]

I run about 10 years behind on daily driver machine hardware, with a few exceptions... no need to upgrade really. Lots of Ivy Bridge, Sandy Bridge, Haswell around here still in daily service. I do disable the Spectre/Meltdown mitigations on affected CPUs.

[@kienanvella]

For now, I'm still running a dual e5-2680v4, that I picked up mostly because of the pcie lanes and bifurcation, but it's more compute than I can use, and I'm planning on swapping it for a single epyc 7272.

[@RaidOwl]

I love my EPYC machine. Rocking a 7302 right now but thinking about upgrading.

[@AngryGibberish]

I have a Intel® Xeon® CPU E5-2650 v4 @ 2.20GHz for an Unraid server. I really notice the difference for uncompressing files compared to the Intel® Core™ i5-3470 CPU @ 3.20GHz i have running next to it when installing docker containers. the Xeon is a 12 core/24 thread proc, i wanted cores for VMs. I'm actually thinking of switching that Xeon box to a modern Core i3, so your video was pretty timely. I'll probably take the Xeon and start messing with Proxmox on it to be my Kubernetes lab.

[@GabrielMazzei01]

My server is running on an old xeon x3440, and it runs my pfsense, plex, true nas scale and a couple more of apps without problems... but a little on the costly side of the energy bill

[@8bitbunny_VR]

is it me or did you forget to add the power draw of the 14100 in the server usecase near the end? im curious what the 14100 server usecase poiwerdraw is compared to the xeon

[@RaidOwl]

Less than 50W

[@8bitbunny_VR]

thank you! thats quite a difference!@@RaidOwl

[@Psikeomega]

Running an old super micro 1u server with a model number longer than longcat, a dell r720xd as a cloud gaming server with a few teala m40 cards, a dell t7600 workstation that im running as a windows server for varrious tasks and samba shares, and i have a dell c6100 4 node blade server that im going to set up with docker, kubernetes and pterodactyl as my process server amd videogame hosting server. I also have a handful of Lenovo M73 micro computers that have monitor mounting brackets that I have attached to the wall as my test cluster before I move VMs and containers to my main servers. There's also a handful of ARM based SBCs that Ive collected since the dawn of the raspberry pi that I want to find a use for. All of it is at keast 10 years old. But it does what needs doing. I've always ran old gear as servers, and I've had servers in the basement since I was a junior in highschool when I got my first rig set up 2002

Big brain memes and DBZ references. Never change Brett.

[@vipast6262]

I still have a Dual E5-2680 v 2 on an AliExpress MB - 8 Channel (4x2) 128MB DDR 1800 RAM , and this system with its total of 20 core and 40 threads can still rock, Runs Plex, 30 VMs , Game Server hosting, File serving, Web Hosting, ARR' Stack, etc.. Still haven't used all the power unless I software transcode a bunch of Plex Streams, but I also have a 1650 Super in it for Transcoding.. This thing will probably be enough power for homelab use for a long time still.

[@TheMatthewLedbetter]

As someone who just bought an E3-1271v3 to upgrade his NAS for the final time (before replacement), this shows me 2 things: I'm still getting good value for this $25 upgrade, and the next rebuild of that system will be night and day what I have now.

[@isaakvervenne8387]

I'm running an E5-2680v4 in my proxmox server that i bought for 20 dollars on aliexpress, I think this would be a better cpu to compare to the modern i3. With it's 14 Cores and 28 Threads it has a better cinebench score than the i3 and for a server it's really good.

[@novellahub]

I am runnnng Dual Xeon E5-2680V4 in my primary server. Going to retire is soon for a i3-8300 server to save on power consumption.

[@chaosfenix]

So a couple of things. Would you run an old 4 core xeon? When a 12 core 2670 v3 also only costs you $15 I don't know why you would opt for the 4 core. As a comparison it is fine but it isn't what most people would actually be able to buy. I do think your premise of showing the performance on 4 cores is valid though because what people actually would be doing is creating a 4c VM from that CPU and then using the rest for other tasks in their home lab.

[@RaidOwl]

Yes

[@patto647]

Haha just upgraded from an i3770k to an N305 with no regrets. Shockingly how far we’ve come

[@coremix6222]

So I want to make a machine that can host servers for Minecraft and other games. Where do I start? And where can I go to learn more about the whole process?

[@Krasjer]

For the sweet price of the i3-14100 ($140) I got me a E5-2680 V4 (14c28t), mATX motherboard with quad channel support, 64GB ECC RAM, and a cooler that keeps it under 30 degrees C at idle (I can hardly hear the fan, I actually think the PSU fan is louder)

[@notreal5311]

That monopoly money sponsored segment transition loool

[@fordonmekochgalenskaper5665]

Have 2 servers with Xeon E5 2697 and 128 Gb ecc memory each bought them for around $280 each complete systems, exept ssd/hdd, that hard to beat for a modern system

[@armyman2445]

An e5-1620 v3 would have closed the gap closer. Granted a jump in TDP to 140 watts. One thing that was forgotten is memory channels paired with ecc memory. Fast 2 channel ddr4 non ecc will loose to slower 4 channel ecc every time.

[@GeronimoJenkins]

Nice to see Steve is still up to his usual antics. Had to remove his content from my life when the worthless LTT debacle went down.

[@ThePhilGrimm]

One reason why you might want to run an old Xeon is for more cores, memory and monitors than a cheap modern solution will give you. I have a HP Z620 E5-2687W 8C/16T 3.1 GHz 32GB DDR3 with Quadro NVS-510 running 4 27" 1440p monitors. I run 6 browsers all day everyday and some desktop apps. Cinebench single core only 532, multi 5216. eBay May 2021 £300.

[@stephenreaves3205]

I'm still rocking my i7 4790k. Running strong on Gentoo

[@RaidOwl]

💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼

[@MrSamadolfo]

😏👍 nice, I have a Devils Canyon in my collection too, she purring along still too

[@jasonmatson4155]

Of course I'm running a fossil like that. Sporting an e5-2696v3 running truenas with a 10gbe car, a sata expansion card for my nine HDDs and then a getting to be fossil 1080ti for my emby transcodes. So yeah, I'm using 28 lanes just in cards. That isn't even counting what is going to the mobo or nvme. That is where the old x99 platform shines.

[@CDAWWGG43]

I think you should compare a dollar/dollar matchup. You can Grab an E5 2687W-V4 with a cheap Chinese motherboard for around the same price as a new i3 with a cheapish board. Both support NVME the E5 would be Gen 3. 40 lanes is 40 lanes.

[@MM-vl8ic]

...Running 2 Asus X99E WS w/e5-1660 v3 Overclocked at 4G and 4.3G, cache @3.8.... all the PCIe used.... Mellanox ConnectX-3 56Gb... raid controllers with 100 drives hanging off them and a couple 980 pros........ O... 2666 ddr4 ECC....

[@SpoonHurler]

135 usd for 4c8t in 2024 feels borderline criminal to me, especially for a refresh of a refresh. Still cool to see difference between the two though.

[@codegame027]

I'm literally BUILDING a brand new NEW X99 based system in 2024 with 256GB ($265 on eBay) of LRDIMM ram, and an E5-2695 (18c/36t) ($34 on eBay) for a single box running proxmox/truenas/portainer/opensense etc... (4x10TB HE HDD drives) (used $200 on eBay). I Pay around $.115 KWh so outright efficiency isn't critical. In a case that can support up to 13HDD and (2) 2.5 SSD. I HAVE A PLAN!

[@cjcox]

I have 16c/32t of Xeon (e.g. Haswell style) v3 CPUs, with reasonable 3.2Gzh base clock.... and the cost differential is about the same (vs your i3, old is old, so cost can only go down so far). Geekbench 6: 1207 8732 CBr23: 13510 multi. While sure, there are deskside Xeons with QSV, not at the v3 gen. Also, I have 160G of that ECC ram, so get that for your i3, and we'll talk. And surprise, newer specs (usually) beat older specs. 2 gallons of water won't fit in a 1 gallon jug. You don't need a video for that.

[@ImARichard]

Ive got a dual E5-2690 v4 system in my homelab, so 8 years old I believe. I just wanted lots of cores and memory for all my bullshit without spending too much money....relatively speaking.

[@andrewt9204]

Even though the Xeon has more full PCI lanes directly to the CPU, the H670/770 and Z690/790 chipsets support a Gen4 x8 bus to the chipset, giving you some OK throughput if you're connecting a bunch of SATA drives through an HBA. For a primarily NAS machine and low VM usage, the 14100 is more than enough. And no wonky behavior from the big.LITTLE CPUs.

[@shephusted2714]

i like this content but really i think you need to shift to unlocking trunas - you want 256gb ram, you want 40g, you want 2 nvme for caching layers and you want 8-10 spinning rust or 6 ssd - can you please try to find best platform to support this spec sheet? maybe even older dd3 platforms will do fine and at a discount price - i think you can get 256gb ddr3 for a touch over 200 and dual port 40(56) cards are 40 bucks. networking is the weak link and major performance bottleneck i see many people skipping over - jumbo frames enabled and you should be good to go with linux which supports multi chan smb - keeping power figures reasonable may be a challenge....

[@gadgetman_nz4092]

I'm still running a number of old Xeons. They are very cheap to buy and so are old dual socket servers. I have more ordered.

[@mt_kegan512]

Brace yourself: NVR (Blue iris) = 3rd gen Xeon. TrueNAS= 4th Gen. Backup TrueNAS = 5th Gen Celeron. Backup XCP-ng = 4th gen. But my pfSense (j4125) and primary XCP-ng are basically new (all the goodies). They're doing all the work anyways ;-) I'm adding a Unifi protect to replace my BlueIris. Honestly, for basic file serving (I run VMs on gen4 nvme locally with NFS backups) I don't need more power. Do I want more? Yes. Will my homelab be a constant money pit? Absolutely!

[@ErtsenPlayGames]

i have E5-2680 (1st gen) 2x8gb 1600mhz ddr3 ram RTX 3070 (yes , you read correct) and in max settings 3440x1440p gaming ... i have 70-80fps in Days Gone (and nope , this game dont have dlss etc.) 50-60fps in Dying Light 2 max settings , rtx on all (also on flashlight) , dlss balanced /high (sometimes more fps in high for no reason....) , foq on low , 3440x1440p ultrawide fov

[@greenprotag]

22nm has aged well honestly. The PCIE lanes make this CPU an excellent home lab solution... I would urge someone to get a modern system, but for old Xeons pick 8-10-12 OR 14 core from the "e5 -v3" line up. This video seems specifically targeted at comparing cores 1 to 1 and THAT is an excellent idea, but if you are going to buy a 2011-3 XEON, the price sweet spot is probably in the 8-10 core range. If you are gaming, grab a newer ryzen or intel chip. If you like to tinker, are looking to make a home-lab server, or a cheap workstation and you need a BUNCH of PCIE lanes and some cores to match, the old V3 and V4 Xeons have great pricing. ALL this being said... the Skylake and Epyc 2nd Gens are LOOMING in the background as their prices begin to get slashed left and right. A single high core count Skylake scale OR Epyc Can match or beat the best dual CPU 2011-3 Xeon set up.

[@brianandrews1867]

The power spike for the cyperpunk run for the i3 is pretty surprising. Can't imagine the motherboard is pulling that much more power alone. Think there is something to be said about the xeon system being cheaper to build, is suitable for a lot of tasks, and drawing lower total power. And you can get newer xeons, and lower power xeons with higher core counts, than this for cheaper than the i3 and its associated hardware. So the performance gap can be bridged here somewhat.

[@RaidOwl]

I guess pushing more frames to the GPU to render will spike the power pretty good. There def are arguments for Xeon for sure.

[@brianandrews1867]

@@RaidOwl that makes sense. This video gave a lot of interesting context around new vs older/used hardware which a lot of homelabbers focused on power efficiency will find useful. Noticed Linux Mint running in the background? Looking forward to your update about that.

[@MrSamadolfo]

🙂 i have a first gen Xeon X3470 and an i7-870 and an i3-13100, they all are running and purring just fine in Windows 11 Pro and in Linux Mint, and sure the newer i3 is faster in Cyberpunk 2077 but all three cpu's can still launch the game, and sure the fps is lower but its not a stuttering mess either, all cpus can run the game just fine

[@fanshaw]

You can't put a Gen 3 card in a gen 4 slot with half the number of lanes and get the same result. PCIE lane numbers matter, especially if you're grabbing last gen (PCIE gen 3) server kit for your cheap lab. x16 SSD Carrier card (4x SSD - you did want to RAID, them right?) x16 or x8 SATA HBA (for mass storage, because chipset sata ports are not what you think) x8 server NIC = 32/40 PCIE lanes Also, TrueNAS ... want ECC.

[@cosmicusstardust3300]

Comparing a 10-year-old Xeon primarily used for servers and workstations with a modern i3 doesn't make much sense to me. Why didn't you use another consumer CPU from the same era, like the i7-4790K? It would have been a more sensible comparison of 10 years of generational improvements for 4-core 8-thread CPUs that everyone would have used in those respective time periods.

[@strain-tv]

so you use the lowest e5 v3 quad core with treading and not the e5 1620v3 or e5 1630v3 same on you

[@Gaxhar]

why not test them both in windows 10? seems like an unnecessarily added variable

[@RaidOwl]

Cuz that’s a feature the newer chip gets so I used it

[@notreal5311]

I was going to comment the same thing, but that answer makes sense

[@taz-dev]

Running my small proxmox server on 10 core 20 threads Xeon CPU E5-2650L v2 @ 1.70GHz with 24GB ECC ram, couple of vm, true NAS, nextcloud, openHAB, pihole, tailscale .... nothing special ... but running

[@RaidOwl]

Hell yeah 💪🏼

[@mikekane9734]

I replaced my 2650l v2 with 2697 v2 recently. Cheap upgrade, but my system stopped screaming by fans, and cou utilization is always low. Oh, BTW it draws only 74 watts spinning 4 drives

[@MADBONE0]

Old $14 Xeon plus old GTX1060 For Plex jellyfin h265 streams Or $150+ Intel Core i3 13100 or 14100 plus the rest just for the iGPU 🤔

[@strain-tv]

lowest 14th gen core lineup is the Core i3-14100T at 2.7g no turbo

[@SSJ0016]

shots fired at 3:55 lol

[@RaidOwl]

😬😬😬

[@enjibkk6850]

What about supported instruction sets?

[@RaidOwl]

Yes

[@pharmdiddy5120]

Ohhh yeah, you can totally game on a Xeon! Take 1 hand me down PC from the stone ages with a good ATX PSU and rip the guts out, add a $30 mobo, $20 xeon, bunch of old DDR3 RAM, and a very nice $69 RX580 and you can party like it's 1999, or maybe like 2013 but still :)

[@shanebeasley8191]

Now let’s see the same thing but with the same budget for both systems, old xeons are cheap as on the used market

[@andherium]

3:58 LMAO that 8 part series

[@RaidOwl]

People say it rivals Band of Brothers

[@guy_autordie]

@@RaidOwl minus the CGI, but yes, I agree.

[@OsX86H3AvY]

older i3's used to say that they weren't ECC-compatible on official literature but actually WERE since they filled a niche at the low end back in the day for edge gear - i wonder if thats still the case...anyways i wish you had tested it against liike a 12c/24t model from then which you can now get for still way cheaper than that i3! i didnt watch yet and i KNOW that i3 smashed the old xeon - what about a more cost competitive part though?

[@RaidOwl]

Maybe for the sequel 😎

[@woe2you2]

I'm still using V2 fossils

[@stacmv]

BTW, Windows 11 works well on Xeon. At least on my e5 2640 ;)

[@chinesepopsongs00]

Don't know why so many youtubers compare old Xeon chips all the time. So put server chips against desktop chips and the server chips lose most single core battles even when compared new agains new. So this video should have been the fastest desktop chip of 2014 against the 14100. So the 4790K which is 24% faster single core and 16% multicore as the E5-2623v3. Also the 4790K was released Q2 2014 and the Xeon is actually a cheater as it was released Q1 2015.

[@KarlMeyer]

I wish intel would hurry up & put quicksync in a Xeon already

[@julfy_god]

uhhh that i3-14100 at150$ is pricey. you would better be with ryzen 5 7500f

[@bober1019]

but where are the level cache numbers?????

[@RaidOwl]

Over there

[@bober1019]

@RaidOwl oh yeah, that's right, I don't need this video. It's all on google, label me unsubscribed.

[@RaidOwl]

@@bober1019 oh no...plz don't go...plz...............

[@bober1019]

​@@RaidOwl. it's like, you don't need subscribers, you don't need to monetize rrrright, yet you post useless content, where you're not learning anything nor putting any skills on display to advance anyone else's knowledge in some selfless endeavor... but something tells me you do need the funds and you are honing on sone skills: deflecting your true need to amass more clicks,likes, subscribers - all in the name of shamless revenue creation by polluting the airwaves with completely unneeded content to indeed monetize. up next: how to screw screws with your left hand: do you turn it counter clock wise? how about using blue handle screw drivers, do they perform better? social media and the cowards behind the upload button itching for another revenue creation opertunity: if they didn't exist, would humanity be better off? I think so. entertaining a cult of retardation is not something one should aspire, for any reason. I suspect you have the capacity and ability to live a normal life without youtube or any social media profiteering. I dare you to go do some non profit work in your community(in real life with real people face to face). ..lol btw i never was a subscriber, was just using it under the guise of entertainment by means of incentivizing reactions. Tata, Tuttle.

[@RaidOwl]

Sir this is a Wendy’s

[@Traumatree]

If you compare CPUs, don't compare things that aren't available like the iGPU /w Quicksink. Compare the modern i3 without the help of its iGPU and this will show a better result in architecture. Would you compare an i9 14900k with its iGPU vs a lowly AMD 1600X paired with a RTX 4090? No you wouldn't as it would "not be fair and representative".

[@nesssboxs]

using the same wallpaper ))lol

[@idkwhattonamemyself2]

oh, sorry, i thought this was another "why i changed to a macbook" video

[@RaidOwl]

I don’t understand the reference

[@idkwhattonamemyself2]

@@RaidOwl, this is awkward but most mac vs windows laptop vids i see online compare very old windows laptops with the newest macbook laptop in performance, without including benchmarks for cheaper or same price new windows laptops, generally making your average consumer think that the windows laptop being compared is a top of the line windows laptop and making the macbook seem like a miracle computer, which is why most normal consumers get a macbook instead of an alternative

[@RaidOwl]

lol oh. Well I use a MacBook, and a Windows desktop. I like them both.

[@idkwhattonamemyself2]

@@RaidOwl yeah, i'm not against that, i'm just against bad faith comparisons lol

[@couldja]

Spend the same money on the used xeon that you paid for the new intel and compare.

[@asmi06]

Yeah, all that ancient crap is only good for running up your electricity bill and giving you headaches from the noise. As far as performance goes, modern cpu will eat them at breakfast.

[@seanunderscorepry]

Am i too late to send a linux laptop sticker ?

[@RaidOwl]

Nope, send it over. I’m opening the first batch on stream Thursday tho.

[@theglowcloud2215]

Changed the title of the video because the KZbin algorithm is too stupid to suggest '4 cores then vs. 4 cores now' to the right people?

[@7073shea]

Owl!

[@RaidOwl]

Sean Shea! there he is!

[@p05_]

Man for the price you can't beat that xeon tho. For super small budgets that is such a better CPU then the i3

[@anantmishra6783]

wtf man this was not informative at all! -.-

[@RaidOwl]

This comment isn’t informative at all!

[@davidleitch76]

You a Broncos fan, Squire? 🟠⚪🔵

[@RaidOwl]

Unfortunately yes

[@CoolWolf69]

Hard times being a Broncos fan these days ... but your hoodie rocks 👍🏈😎