Are old Mack Trucks Better? (R Model, CH613, Super Econodyne)

Are old Mack Trucks built better? We're giving you an in-depth look at the features, specs and benefits of owning an old R Model Mack Truck. New trucks are nice but they'll cost you tens of thousands of dollars verses buying an older model. Is it worth it? Let me know what you think in the comments.
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[@HonJazzz]

What’s your dream truck?

[@Ryanfry262]

Probably an old western star with a Detroit diesel in it

[@HonJazzz]

@@Ryanfry262 Good choice

[@HonJazzz]

@@Lovebug8589 niceee

[@syedsyclone6827]

Any of the Scania cabover semis. They just look so cool and it like THE best brand to use as any company in Malaysia.

[@HonJazzz]

@@syedsyclone6827 Yes! I love those. Unfortunately they are rare here in the US

[@kman-mi7su]

One of the great things about the old Macks are that you don't need a 5000 dollar scan tool to diagnose an issue. Nope, a simple test light, and a 35 dollar Craftsman multimeter and you can solve most electrical issues.

[@HonJazzz]

Yeah I really like that about them.

[@deborahchesser7375]

That’s only when they do break down which isn’t often, hard to beat a 237,300 Mack and a 6 speed Maxi-torque, pretty much indestructible 👍🇺🇸

[@njh4473]

The old Mack’s can’t be beat they built America and many more countries.

[@timeless6964]

Mack Trucks Will Last Forever With Some Love!!!

[@carlwilliams1570]

Wrong on the transmission! That was a 6 speed. The compound shifter on the right is Rev, Low and Direct. Low is only supposed to be used in 1 st. You can leave it in low and shift through 3 rd and shift to direct. There are overlaps in the ratios so it’s not the same as a duplex 10 speed is.

[@HonJazzz]

Thanks for clarifying

[@davidcaskey4669]

When i need a little more power i would spilt a gear with those old 6 speeds but best thing was the 5 reverse gears was great when you had to back up a long drive way or road and they were indestructible

[@TT.4_]

Mack SuperLiner was my favorite honestly. It's actually good to see any oldschool truck still earning their keep. Good video dude, enjoyed 👍...

[@HonJazzz]

I really like the superliner too. I’ll try to make a video about one soon.

[@TT.4_]

@HonJazzz Yessir definitely a classic real gem! I love the Mack in this video too, can't beat oldschool...

[@bennyboogenheimer4553]

I bought a used 1976 MACK R 300 model 5 speed with 3.2 million miles on her. I put 700 thousand more on her. Dropped in a MACK 350/6, w/new Mack clutch. The difference was night and day. WARNING! My old 300 R, had a 28 Gallon Oil pan. So every 15,000 miles there was a $600.00 oil & filter change.The first investment you do is a new High air ride seat. Beat money you'll ever spend.

[@deborahchesser7375]

That’s a solid truck, the Maxitorque 5 with the mud stick is bulletproof. I drove a 76’ DM800 300 plus Mack #65,000 bogies and a triplex 15 speed man she was a beast. I bet that new motor makes you smile, I hope your running a straight pipe 👍🇺🇸

[@gregh.7977]

The ESI held 28 quarts in the pan and the ESI plus held 48 quarts in the pan.

[@crazymixture57]

New ones aren't even Mack's...they are rebadged volvos.

[@HonJazzz]

Yeah I’ll stick with an old R model

[@heavydutyrepair64]

They still manufacture the mack transmissions & rear ends

[@jim-zx7gz]

I guess what disgusts me is now they offer the Volvo T ride as the factory heavy duty walking beam sospension instead of the camel back. T tide is a huge plie of crap. I have worked on them

[@deborahchesser7375]

@@jim-zx7gz that pisses me off too man, Volvo’s are far from real Mack’s. I had a summer time job driving for my uncle hauling coal, he had two 76’ Mack DM 800’s 300 plus, 15 spd Tri-Plex, #65,000 bogies, tough ol girls no fiberglass on em. It was work but it sure beat the shit out of working at McWhatever for a job. Seeing Mountain View’s you don’t see from the interstate and listening to that straight pipe sing all day was heaven for a kid.

[@tangydiesel1886]

​@heavydutyrepair64 the ones I see are all "m-drive" (i-shift) autos. I didn't think they offer a manual anymore. At least they still have the mack double reduction axles.

[@JaliscoMe]

I Got Cl713 and a Dm690. But would love to have a Superliner 😍

[@HonJazzz]

Oh my I think the Superliner is my all time favorite truck.

[@eddieweigel9490]

They didn’t make thermodyne engines in 1985 maybe a maxidyne

[@mizzo_beeto]

Give me the R model all day...one of the most beautiful looking trucks ever made!

[@HonJazzz]

Definitely classic trucks 🛻

[@user-cn7fx8ii5h]

Yes!, we had our own shop and we had Bill Rumple. Mr. Rump was our mechanic, Dad sent Mr. Rump to Mack Truck school.

[@masterq2.033]

Wiring is one of the only things that I found better (less troublesome) on my old mack than on my newer trucks. I drove one for 8 years.

[@HonJazzz]

Yeah I agree. That can be a problem

[@GoldenFreddy1508]

I love both of them

[@M.Arbogast]

All my father ever drove were brockways and Mack’s, nothing beats a hard working Mack with an ole tri-plex

[@user-cn7fx8ii5h]

No, I never thought Mack would have thought Mack Company would let it go. I had my own dm600 maxidyne and dad had 26 mack dump trucks and 4 tractor trailers. Our Superlinerwas my heart. But I loveed my dm600. They named her house on fire❤. I miss my baby gold dog 😢😢

[@thomasglynn2282]

I worked on trucks starting in 1982 while still in high school. our only truck was our 56 LJ Mack wrecker with a 237hp ENDT 675 Mack diesel (originally gas) a 5x3 triplex Mack tranny and of course Mack tandem rears. 24 in rubber and still had 6in brake linings, but we installed a Jake brake so stopping wasn't a problem. A set of standard wrenches and sockets and you could disassemble the whole truck.

[@HonJazzz]

Yeah that’s what I like about the old trucks. Really solid and simple.

[@stevel1451]

All through the 70s early 80s I worked in the most remote parts of Australia, sometimes not seeing another person in 3-4+ days and never worried about my cab over 237 , 6 speed not getting me back to civilisation

[@diesel2504]

I love those old R Models

[@redline350zHR]

My ALL TIME FAV Truck & always will be

[@kenryan1342]

The first lever you you showed on the front of the dump body is not a chute release to open the body it is called a tailgate lock release lever, and the chute in the middle of the tailgate was not designed specifically for asphalt it’s called a COAL CHUTE they were originally designed to dump coal in a chute that leads into the ground for old style furnaces coal plants , they’re used for asphalt mostly but were specifically designed for coal to center it into the chute that leads to the under ground storage for coal furnaces.

[@prosperity4444]

I miss my old Autocar with a Detroit that was a beast

[@HonJazzz]

Oh I bet that was nice 👍🏻

[@prosperity4444]

@@HonJazzz it was a sweet truck but I hated the irregular shift pattern.

[@redline350zHR]

@@prosperity4444 any vids???

[@prosperity4444]

@@redline350zHR i wish I no longer work for that place

[@jamescarter1500]

It probably was right up until you got to a hill and she fall on her face👆💯

[@markli3889]

my all time favourite truck

[@HonJazzz]

Thank you, I agree

[@davidthomas3746]

@@HonJazzz How can I get the truck am from Nigeria

[@redline350zHR]

Same 100%

[@user-cn7fx8ii5h]

The Sound of that real Mack is better than eating a lobster 🦞, I was raised in the real Macks ❤. Dad didn't like the fact that I refused to go to flight attendant school, I looked him straight in his face and told him I was going to drive a dump truck for him. He made REAL SURE I knew everything, What a Daddy ❤. RIP George M. King, my smart Daddy. My. Life stopped when he had terminal cancer. I'm 66 now and I still want my Mack. I was so lucky ❤️❤️ 🤩

[@santo8389]

All my childhood I grew up around R models and DM800's. They are very popular in Haiti.

[@HonJazzz]

Nice!

[@user-cn7fx8ii5h]

Plus I love the video, you know your trucks. The old dog still makes a old saying true. PERFORMACE COUNTS.

[@HonJazzz]

Thank you, I appreciate it.

[@realtruth172]

that trani only gives you your sixth speed it takes 175000 miles to break that transmission in thats how long it took for it to be worn in enough to downshift from first to first & low while the truck is moving . on my 85 mack trlx107 trani you had a choice of three different gear ratios for first & low from the factory i had the lowest it was really nice for keeping my speed slow enough when doing snow loading with a snow go snow thrower , i went 950,000 with that trans with out a repair for my first clutch i had mack ( with their kit replace all the bearings in it ) they said that it was the cleanest trans they ever seen always clean the side magnet twice a year and as it got older there was less and less metal on the magnet . then after the new bearings there was an increase on the magnets but drops off to virtually nothing in a couple of years i put 1.750,000 miles on her then sold it . ( a friend was going to order one about 6 years ago the dealer said they are no good anymore cause they are made in mexico with lower grade alloy metals )

[@JBthelandscaper]

I love Mack trucks. I love peterbilt and kenworth but something about a Mack’s sound and appearance I just love. I have a Mack ch613 dump truck and absolutely love that thing. May ride a little rougher than a t800 but that truck just keeps pushing and does absolutely anything I throw at it. Plus almost anyone with basic knowledge can work on them

[@HonJazzz]

Yeah they really are built well

[@duanethomasdirtpile5737]

I got a 1990 r model still on the road today hardly ever had a problem with the truck but you just got to keep your eye on the trunnion rots out from inside will break

[@Galaxy2517]

Fell in love with the old R's after I got my CDLs.....They were good for weeding out the wanna bes.

[@HonJazzz]

Yeah absolutely

[@kloud1174]

Yup

[@MaisonShiraz77]

Nothing beats a Mack R model with twin sticks. We have a 1977 model which is still running pulling fuel tankers

[@HonJazzz]

Excellent trucks

[@Nela1481]

Me encantan 😍😍😍 Las Vagonetas 😍🤩

[@stevel1451]

We have gone back to R models, a fully rebuilt 350 with a 12 speed and camelback will outwork and outlast any other ( including the newer Mack’s ) truck ever built. I have been with Mack’s since the late 60s and still operate a handful of Mack’s

[@HonJazzz]

The R model is built incorrectly well

[@MrJ183]

Is there any regulation or limitations running these older trucks?

[@stevel1451]

No restrictions apply here in OZ. a huge advantage is seatbelts are not required in pre 96 vehicles. The fines for not wearing seatbelts are huge.

[@PT48473]

Well even tho im not a truck driver yet,i think the vintage trucks are more reliable and durable than newer ones,i mean yeah the newer trucks have more comfort,but their maintenance is more expensive with emission problems at the same time,i simply love vintage trucks and will always be the king of the roads.

[@HonJazzz]

You make a lot of good points. Often time’s simpler is better.

[@timothymcguirk4633]

Carl Williams 1000 percent right on the transmission

[@user-kn7oc6md2r]

This man is totally right!

[@HonJazzz]

Thank you

[@KenworthKyle69]

Wasn’t the video I expected. Wanted to see this versus a Granite.

[@HonJazzz]

Hopefully next time I can make it happen

[@samnation9887]

Which R model would you recommend me , Year Specs I’m very new and starting my journey on buying a dump truck to haul stuff. These old R model seem to last long like you mentioned. Any advice would great help

[@Brsrafal]

I heard nothing but great things about old macks I rarely see any new ones

[@rk-ec7kx]

Mack went to shit when volvo bought them, the old Mack trucks were tough.

[@HonJazzz]

I’ve always been partial to the old ones

[@eddieweigel9490]

That’s old school Mack’s manual tailgate release yes sir

[@joedoakes8307]

gET in AND see IF IT WILL START !

[@eddieweigel9490]

I drove many old Mack’s dumps rolloffs mixer packers 1960s 70s 80s 90s All Mack R RD 600-800 tin nose DM 600-800 MR plowed snow back in the blizzard of 96 with a 1963 B81 dump there is nothing like old Mack’s I’ve been a huge fan since I’m a kid I wouldn’t buy a new truck ever I would drive a old Bulldog Mack every time

[@normansilver905]

Mack was owned by Renault from France.Then Renault chose to cheapen the Mack quality and even substituted some of its own trucks with a Mack badge on them. Then Mack was resold. So far, the true Mack quality I knew in the old Model 60, B series and later tucks has never been seen in the marketplace again.

[@HonJazzz]

Yeahhh I hear you on that

[@stevel1451]

Yea and when Renault got involved military sales dried up

[@jeffjohannsen3266]

The Granite is ok I have run one for years now

[@1wesleydb]

Some rough riding trucks, they're tough though. I've not ran the new ones yet but the cab's look nicer. I don't think driver comforts were a consideration on the old Mack

[@stevel1451]

I have only one CH with airbags left as we’re replacing them with R models (Valueliners here in OZ] and I can assure you the camelbacks ride better

[@stevel1451]

The R models don’t have the insulation and the cab is perched on top of the gearbox making them a tad uncomfortable but hey are you a bloke or what

[@eddieweigel9490]

I have drove Mack b81 trucks R model RD 822 tin nose DM 685 tin nose DM 886 dumps mixer rolloff packer trucks The 60s,70,80,and part of the 1990s were the absolute best years I am a huge huge fan of Mack trucks since I’m a young kid BUT I would not by anything NEW they are not Mack’s R-RD early models DM 600-800 is what you wanna look for

[@pursang101]

Still see some LJ &LF's plenty of B's how often do you see an older Renault Mack?

[@jerrykinnin7941]

Mack before Volvo bought them. Is the best by far.

[@HonJazzz]

Yeah I like them

[@deborahchesser7375]

I need one just like it with a trailer and a backhoe

[@HonJazzz]

Yeah it’s nice 👍🏻

[@lisaasher6706]

I got an 1999 r model Runs every day. New everything almost. Retiring and ready to sell.

[@AgustinVeiga]

Uno de los mejores es el Mack B61

[@tazkrebbeks3391]

After 40 years I finally had to put my old girl out to pasture. Not that I didn't like driving it. It's just I could no longer get parts.

[@HonJazzz]

Dang sorry to hear that

[@Ceedub3406]

Manualshutofflike a 6250 deutz, beautiful

[@HonJazzz]

Oh yeah

[@lewiemcneely9143]

The newer, the worst. I started on a 237 steel hood DM and a 185 horse Thermodyne and a Quad box and ended up with a Superliner with an E-9 and a 12-speed. The 'C-'models have a bit more leg room and a good a.c. but for off in holes and roughs I'd take an R-model or a DM any day, OR a B-model, 711 with a duplex. Drove straight trucks and pulled trailers and hauled concrete. Single axles, tandems, Tri's, quads and quints. And everything else too. Cummins and Cats but the Mack old school were the strongest. Even Oshkosh/Mack fron discharge. Sounds crazy but it spanned over 50 years. Army 5-tons at 19. LOve it but it don't love me. Time to quit and drive a mower. God Bless Yall! BURN DIESEL!

[@jimglass995]

Anything after 06 or 07 was not a mack. I don't know what there making now 🤦‍♂️

[@davidnazario6646]

Mack Attack!👍😎

[@calvinspiff4348]

Is this what I should be looking for as a first truck? I've been driving a tractor trailer for a little over 5 months now, and I'm considering switching to driving a dump truck with the goal of becoming an owner operator. I know that I'll need to learn the business and gain experience driving the truck first, but I like to get my ducks in a row so that I know what I'm working towards. I know that I don't want a new truck, and I know that I want a pre-Volvo Mack truck because I want reliability, durability, and performance; something that is going to give me my money's worth and be dependable, simple, and easier to maintain. "Measure twice, cut once." I don't have restrictions on my CDL. I can drive a manual, but I've never seen the shifter style that is in the truck in the video. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. I forgot to mention that I'm 6'3" with long legs. Will I have enough room? I'm chunky, too haha

[@HonJazzz]

Congratulations on buying your first truck. If you can find one that’s been maintained then go for it. There are different transmissions available so you can look for one that suits your needs.

[@oe542]

Is this about trucks or dump bodies?

[@joecummings1260]

Thats an RD600 not an R. It's also a Maxidyne not a Thermodyne looks like a 300 with chassis mounted charge air cooling. The transmission is a TRXL107 Maxitourque 6 speed. not a duplex. You only use low while in first gear, you don't split the gears. Rear axles might be 55000 lbs rated so it might be a bit heavy for some states.

[@deborahchesser7375]

It would have been easier to just buy all 3 trucks, they’d all be a good investment.

[@HonJazzz]

Yeah you’re right

[@timothymcguirk4633]

Pyrometer is exhaust temperature just saying

[@user-xw4my4yz2h]

Absolutely no comparison in my opinion.....My 73 R700 earns me just as much as my 2008......Both work every day and the r700 has no power steering.... That's what keeps me in shape here in the 5 boros of NYC 😅

[@blackrodoht]

Hi buddy, it seems that you no longer use econodyne trucks, I live in Haiti, I'm a driver, can you offer me one. I am 21 years old father of one child.

[@thomasmikkelsen4208]

mine is a Scania 143M 500hp intercooler V8

[@HonJazzz]

Wow great trucks. I’ve always wanted one.

[@tazkrebbeks3391]

What the hell is a scan, can. What did you say?

[@smeshcel3025]

@@tazkrebbeks3391 they scan ya 😂

[@jasonbuck489]

So.... This is the reason all the Auction Equipment has DEAD BATTERIES!.... The Little Truck Bunnies must play!....

[@jeancadet5862]

Garage vs gold. New vs old

[@joeclemmons6505]

It's a Maxidyne: Not Thermodyne!

[@eddieweigel9490]

That’s a Mack mud stick 6 spd you only spit 1st gear the old Mack’s had the duplex triplex quadraplex gear boxes those where gone by 1985 the earlier R models from the late 60s-70s had the duplex triplex and quad boxes

[@diesel2504]

I can tell you definitely know your shhh!!

[@HonJazzz]

Thank you

[@prrcpor]

I don't even have to watch this to tell you Rmodel is better. I've had both. Our 08 is a nightmare compared to our Rmodel mack 300 motor

[@HonJazzz]

Yeah that’s true

[@prrcpor]

@@HonJazzz dude, I shit you not, the only reason I watched this video is because a few hours ago when I made this comment I was driving our 08 granite with mp7 down the road smoke commin up behind cab lightning bolt on dash, truck went into lymp mode. Somethin with re-gen. Just had whole harness replaced two weeks ago 70000 miles on truck. Yeah ill take my old 79 R model 300 motor with real Jake brake 10 speed any day over this thing.

[@afolabiemmanuel9441]

i have interest in buying it,can you help me

[@HonJazzz]

I don’t sell trucks I only share my opinions

[@MiguelRodriguez-zz3cw]

Don't like those old r models only the rd-ll ,cv713 granite and current model granite

[@HonJazzz]

Those are nice too

[@Riys-hp8jx]

Me? I'mma 60 model 🎉

[@micmike]

Maybe pause and check the theme of the video again. Trucks not boxes

[@HonJazzz]

I’m not sure if I understand your comment

[@davidforbes6250]

Think Mack! A slip of the tongue or he knows Less than me.

[@jeremiahmichael5871]

ᴘʀᴏᴍᴏsᴍ 😕

[@bradh74]

Sorry but, NO! You Do Not split that two stick Mack's gears! It's a "ten speed extended range transmission". The second stick I believe is Rev=reverse "Up and to the left" Low=low range AKA "deep reduction" off road gears are "up and to the right" and Dir=direct which is your on-road gears 1-5 yes that's right it's a five speed in all reality! The 8 speed extended range is the same but with an air shift and a neutral in the ranges( plus you're not supposed to use 4-5 gears in low even if they are there. The 7 speed extended range transmission has a range button and it has a reverse in low and high=direct so you don't have to shift a stick, or move a switch. So..... Nice you're showing the old Macks they're still great trucks but can't keep up with the new ones. They're still valuable and ready to work though!

[@timkis64]

in my experience, old macks will run forever, but they have to run forever to do the same amount of work a competetitors truck can do in 10 years.when i ran a mack dump body by the end of the day i was a whole run behind, compared to trucks that could haul as much as me, but actually had horsepower under the hood.i lost 5 loads a week because of that powerless piece of sh•t.thats a loss of 20 loads a month. 260 loads a year gone because mack had no clue how to make anything but bottom end torque.but they WILL run forever.be good engines for low rpm, high load portable generators.

[@Riys-hp8jx]

Well now,Mack can't, will not, don't know how ta' make a good riding thing.Owner Volvo don't wanna hep😂😅😢

[@jerrykolosinsky4615]

New wons are junk. Had a 1995 c h 613 brand new what a piece shit after that i bought peterbuilt no coparisin a roll royce of a piece

[@leylanddaf992]

New truck is a garbage old school best ever

[@HonJazzz]

Yeah that’s pretty much how I feel

[@heavydutyrepair64]

Maxidyne ,the old thermodyne engines didn't have turbos

[@joelweston17]

Very late in the game some did. What they learned and introduced in the maxidyne is they learned air to air intercooler & cooling from underneath with oil; to offset thr extra heat by turbo. The thermodyne didn't have that so if you lugged it & really leaned on the turbo, bye bye head...

[@joelweston17]

But yes you are right, no way that is a thermodyne, way too late of year for that engine. Maxidyne for sure

[@joeclemmons6505]

The 711 had Turbo charger!

[@patriciaacevedo4429]

New Macks are Volvo

[@dannyjones2510]

Anything made after the Superliner and the FLAT HOODED R MODEL is a Damned disgrace to a once great American name, just sayin, end rant!!!

[@HonJazzz]

Let them truckers roll 10-4

[@CharredSteak]

New macks are junk, coming from a certified dealer tech lol

[@woodygall955]

Half this stuff this guy is telling you is wrong...anybody can make a video..

[@stanleystempinski235]

New Mack's are junk.old macks are worn-out. That makes them junk also.

[@mowsgrass7747]

Can you imagine being a grown man with a family an working everyday and finally getting to where you can buy a new truck, an coming home and saying hunny we have finally made it im buying a New truck ! Im going to buy me anew mack lol golly i just cant see it! The say they last " ya can't tear them up lol lol well because they aint got enough tourq to pull a greasy string out of a rats ace! And not to mention the re sell value