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[@arnaudseynaeve9266]

The main advantage is that you are lighter because your wallet is less heavy after purchase

[@andrewlabat9963]

😅🤣

[@sakomeow]

nah these are definitely goin on the credit card

[@yongweynan994]

hahaha

[@williamspitzschuh8167]

why don’t people just buy a normal bike.

[@mlee6050]

@@sakomeow I don't have a credit card and I am looking to be a normal person and get a £5-7k trek Emonda ALR to use as commute, be a nice 7.2kg with axs dropper

[@chuckvaldez4149]

After installing this kit, I was able to win the Tour the France last year...

[@death2pc]

That's all? After I bought mine, I won all five of the single day classics, as well, the Giro and Vuelta. I sat out the TdF just so you could win it. (I just bought some top secret Russian osmium-thorium grease for bearings that cuts friction by .0034721%) WOW!

[@EricAbbottTri]

You should probably rebrand that top secret grease and sell it. You would make a fortune

[@jagirrathore6628]

Same here for 65 consecutive years Mr L Armstrong!

[@murcielago188]

I have it because they look pretty, that is all. I never had the illusion that these things would significantly improve my riding!

[@8rk]

+ 1000. You like the look of your bike with it? Get it!

[@trbeyond]

I love mine. Way faster. No doubt. And no doubt that placebo effect is real!

[@mattfowler4021]

Good video. I feel they are more for looks and the gains aren't too huge. Go green!

[@luxsasha]

great video and solid intro showing us your perspective!

[@EricAbbottTri]

Thank you

[@rsrnsrwds]

Thanks! This discussion evokes the question of what upgrades are actually he best bang for the buck. Tires, lubes, chain, aero, wheels, weight.....

[@jlij8952]

Good analysis! There are so much more variants of increasing speed, partly also depending on the athlete, that a pulley wheel optimization is negligible. For instance the weather conditions, roadsurface, but one of my most favourite is how long can you ride in the most aero position whilst maintaing optimal power through the pedals? Sitting upright, flat or anything in between literally saves miles per hour. The other thing is "what is thé function of a derailleur?": guiding the chain! Optimizing low frixtion in the gearing is a better way to increase speed and endurance 😀

[@vincent_vega4046]

The biggest issue is that most of these (especially the Ceramic Speed) are just ridiculously overpriced. They cost so much that you can buy many things that will actually yield much better results for you. At least KCNC is relatively cheap.

[@DCassidy42]

You forgot to mention that the aero penalty of those big pulley wheels might completely offset the watts saved.

[@stephenshepherd5068]

I was curious about that as well. It’s probably some really dirty air down there, but still, it is adding a largish hangy downy thing.

[@jagirrathore6628]

Interesting summary and very informative, one thing you can’t deny is the appearance is aesthetically pleasing, which subsequently always has a cost 👍🏽

[@tfdzona7363]

You are half way to the dark side..

[@LastTruth77]

Great video. Best information I have gotten as a new cyclist. Thank you

[@EricAbbottTri]

Glad it was helpful

[@hikerbikeromar]

This was an excellent video, thank you for sharing!

[@ColdAsIce247]

Thanks a bunch for getting that idea out of my head and saving some money :-) And Go Green! ;-)

[@DDGB08]

Great review!

[@goku445]

I like the honest review.

[@fiLthy_Rx]

The real gains come from the fact that OSPW's look cool. If your bike looks cool, you'll want to ride it more often, and the more you ride, the more fitness you'll eventually build overtime, which is precisely why you should shell out $600 for a CeramicSpeed OSPW. 😜

[@andrewlabat9963]

If changing your jockey wheels alone makes you want to ride your bike any measurable time more, maybe it's not cycling you're really into..

[@user-pf5yv3vs3p]

I got Ceramicspeed coated OSPW on my red axs, I do not really care if it saves me 20 secs or not, cause I am slow anyways, I bought it only because it looks awesome.

[@tfdzona7363]

See this man is a cycling Gedi...

[@zikaperic2133]

just discovered the channel -- great content!

[@juandiegocespedeshenao1392]

Great content. Just saved some money!!

[@EricAbbottTri]

That's awesome, love to hear it was helpful.

[@Reflection_Wave]

My road bike on 11th and I bought 12th 1cm different. Original was like as this video not even spinning. After I installed a new one my bike feels different. I believe most standard bike has those jockey wheels in it. I am super happy with upgrade. Your video theory is make sense 👍🏻

[@kev7355]

The new Dura-ace pulley wheel spinning relatively tight is probably caused by new seals. Give it several hundred miles and I would expect it to spin freer.

[@EricAbbottTri]

Those were off my road bike which was over a year old by the time of filming and had over 1,000 miles on them. They are well broken in.

[@kev7355]

@@EricAbbottTri I see. All right, then it is really tight. My pulley was tight at first, after 1000 kilos or so, they certainly loosened up.

[@shewh0rn]

Literally, putting your sunglasses OVER your helmet straps instead of under them confers a more significant gain than ceramic bearings (and yes, that’s been verified in a wind tunnel). Other things that have more benefit… shaving your arms and legs… 14x more benefit than oversized pulleys, tailoring your jerseys to get rid of the wind flapping on the shoulders, a helmet with fewer vents (which are ironically less expensive helmets).

[@die_lauch_bande7121]

Frodeno rides without it, and is one of the fastes. So you don’t need this to win races.

[@rouxenophobe]

There are other factors: 1) potentially bigger frontal area, so more drag. 2) weight differences, if the wheels are bigger are they heavier? Appreciate that both of these factors will be negligible..., but as the benefits also seem to be negligible it would be interesting to see if they negate any benefits! PS: changing the chain tension might give you less drag, but it will also disrupt how well you shift gears!

[@MaartenAnna]

Great video! Also, you have to take the extra aero drag into account... The bigger the jockey wheels, the more drag!

[@EricAbbottTri]

Thank you, I actually had a section of the video talking about the aerodynamic penalty but I felt like it was too much for this video. SLF motion has an aero cage, and when I talked with the owner of SLF he told me that it saves 0.4 watts over the standard Dura-Ace cage. I think the aero penalty is the reason we don't see more of these oversized systems at the individual time trial world championship.

[@MaartenAnna]

Wow, that is so cool! I had a look at the SLF motion hyper aero model. It’s a bit pricy for my mediocre triathlon sprint times, but I guess if your elite, and marginal gains can mean 1st or 2nd, that it would make sense.

[@tuber6382]

Cool video. Thanks

[@Joshualbm]

The biggest factors I want from jockey wheels is shifting ease, precision and smoothness. Some of those aluminum wheels cause all sorts of clunky and rattling effects. I don't think Shimano and Campagnolo design their factory wheels at a compromise. Weight weenies, watt weenies... all the same. Nobody will consistently gain 12 to 22 seconds over a 70 mile course simply because of friction gains or losses in their jockey wheels. The variables of physical form and fitness are hugely, vastly more responsible for performance output. So focus on reliable shifting and on riding better. Don't do the math, do the work you weenies.

[@LadyTea]

I think you you are missing the the biggest factor why to get one. They look cool.

[@Joshualbm]

@@LadyTea They look like something you'd put on a kid's bike to make sparks or whistling sounds. Now that would be cool.

[@LadyTea]

@@Joshualbm lol. Fair. I wish it would make some sparks like the old barbie rollerskates

[@robertphillips3078]

I saw a guy from the usa do a promo on the latest & gr8est from "Absolute Black" sensational ospw. The gear changers were real slick. Better than with original P.W. & the quiteness was deafening with the Absolute Black version. Gr8 job sharing. Top notch presentation. So l will subscribe to ur channel. Thx If l was going 2 splash some cash l would go with Absolute Black

[@MrPijus123]

Go watch Hambini and Peak Torque, then reconsider. Absolute Black were an alright brand for making your bike look slightly better but the price/quality ratio has always been abysmal. The OSPW fiasco blew it out of the park, they keep making wild claims about their performance and justifying the $700 price tag and all they have to back up their claims is "just trust me bro". One thing I can give them credit for is making a plastic derailleur cage, which I believe is what muffles the drivetrain sounds.

[@EricAbbottTri]

I have seen their videos. Not sure what I would reconsider?

[@antoniop1968]

My Campy Chorus 11 speed rear derailleur has bearings over bushings, so my jockey wheels spin as freely as your aftermarket wheels. I personally can’t stand Ceramic Speed anything, too overpriced and just a marketing gimmick.

[@Guoenyi]

is campy jockey actually bearing? They look like bushing to me. Same group as yours

[@MrNAMASTE1968]

Great video. I think less bend on your chain alone. Makes it worth it.

[@vkratoch]

Thinking is not included in sound engineer principles. All about ego.

[@hosbadhb]

Wow thats it. Thanks for the videi, I was just about to buy me one. What about the benefit of ceramic bearing in the cranckset is it worth upgrading? Whats the savings

[@EricAbbottTri]

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[@stevengraham7627]

Worth it for style points alone

[@remdehair.]

perfect thanks!

[@lesterroberts1628]

how much watts and weight saved going to single speed and removing all that stuff? are there chain tensioners for the front derailleur so that i can still shift up front?

[@amfromch]

my main reason is not of being faster, it's because it's running much smoother and with less chain-noise :-)

[@andrewlabat9963]

Probably not much in the way of anything measurable, but what additional aero resistance is incurred by the large set up, if any?

[@drakvl]

La diferencia entre una stock shimano sin rodamientos y otra con rodamientos sellados es bastante notable, solo hay que encontrar el tamaño adecuado para cada uno, la cadencia cambia demasiado si le colocas una roldana 3 dientes más grande que la original, se hace más pesado el pedalear, pero se avanza mucho más.

[@mblegend3056]

In cycling, whatever makes you happy, get it.

[@kingelvis]

It's common in the Shimano pulley for the metal covers that sandwich the bushing to rub. This results in the friction seen in the video. The fact you can still spin them with your little finger, gives you an idea of how much energy you are actually wasting. It's negligible. When you spin a jockey wheel, we believe it correlates to the wheel spinning. I also "upgraded" my pulley to ceramic and they spin freely. Makes no difference in every day cycling

[@theflorentine5047]

you know who wins races- People who believe they can!!! so, if it gives you a mental positive to push through- it helps!

[@EricAbbottTri]

The placebo effect is very real, that's for sure

[@TivonSanders]

You can win races by mere seconds. If it means buying bigger jockey wheels to improve time by that much, then I'd do it.

[@maxlovesvivan]

The "reduce chain angle" part is wrong. bigger pulley can reduce "Each link's bending angle", but mean while needs to bend more joints because of less angle also bigger pulley. So the total energy is on how much angle each link need to turn in the full cycle. So over all I think it's the same energy, or even the oversized will take more watts because it let the chain change more angle.

[@Robert-mn8gc]

I kept my Dura Ace 12 speed cage & added Atia from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺 OSPW... only . Ceramic Bearings with Titanium Jockey Wheels. Larger than Dura Ace . Was considering the Nova Ride from France 🇫🇷 they have larger jockey wheels again . Both spin exceptionally well. Nova probably marginally better . But cost was $110 aud more & the weight was more using the Nova Ride . Aita were lighter . Spent a Fortune 2 build a Lite Weight SL7 S-WORKS 54cm Finished weight was / is 6.83 kilos Including Pedals , S-WORKS Carbon Bottle Cages , & Computer Mount that came with the FSA VISION ONE PIECE CARBON COCKPIT. And also S-WORKS Power Printed Saddle. Lite Weight tubes .. Definitely not a fan of Tubeless For the Pedals l went 4 the Time Xpro 15 's Never used Time Pedals b4 l put the Time Xpro 12's on my SL5 . My SL5 is spec'ed out 2 the current SL7 Expert. Over a period of time. So much better 2 Ride. Xcellent Feed Back from u on the OSPW . Froomie uses them & l guess they/he are after every ounce of advantage . Don't blame him

[@ombmuzik871]

24 seconds dont sound like much but thats enough time to be out of sight in tbe bike world. So its actually a lot

[@inferno7181]

A good rule of thumb is to never trust a bearing without a load. Your spinny pulley either has no lube or very lightweight lube. Either one isn't ideal under the given use

[@zburt5946]

My MTB Shimano XTR Rear Derailleur is 11t top and bottom. upgraded when they needed replacing and went 12t top and 14t bottom ceramic. After 4 2hr. rides I have seen almost 10 watts more power and much smoother pedaling. Was shocked. I bought them on Amazon for under $30 for both. That was on my training bike, just ordered another set for my race bike.

[@PHpengkhianatnegara]

For my understanding... it is not about watts power. If we talking about criterium race. Maybe OSPW don't effect on it. But how long we can maintain our watts for the long period of time. For me, It's for endurance.

[@christianhall3034]

I won't argue that the difference is huge, but you missed that the number of completed rotations of the derailleur is reduced if it is oversized, which will reduce the amount of lost energy. This will probably bring the power saving closer to 3W than 1.76W.

[@tevemullins8156]

Bent the arm on my derailleur and the over sized system looks rad so I may have to give it a go.

[@EricAbbottTri]

That's how my wife got her new OSRD

[@tevemullins8156]

@@EricAbbottTri Did that fix the shifting?

[@EricAbbottTri]

Didn't fix the shifting, it wasn't broken. But it did make the chain smoother

[@roberthance8896]

I have sram force axs short cage rear derailleur, so can’t run larger cassette than 10-33. If I install OSPW set up, with longer chain, can I run 10-36 or greater?

[@EricAbbottTri]

I don't thing so, the max cassette size doesn't have anything to do with the OSPW. Could confirm with SRam or ceramic speed or slf

[@bigdarbs19]

Did you also take into account that the oversize system is larger, so heavier, plus the chain is longer, so heavier too. I think the benefit is even smaller than you state. And Shimano haven't made much junk over the years, let alone Durace.

[@EricAbbottTri]

I have not heard anyone bring up the weight issue actually. Generally the oversized systems are a combination of carbon and plastic so it's weight is minimal, same goes for the chain. However, that is another variable to this question.

[@edmundscycles1]

Add aero drag too . Significantly larger side profile for of bore wind and larger frontal form . Longer chain ect all add up and nullify any advantage . Also it adds more friction on a multi geared system as the side plates are more likely to rub if it is not dead in line with the chain rings . Having less tension decreases power input to the wheel as the chain has more "takeup " before fully engaging with the cassette teeth . (Think a track bike with a slack chain and how much power is lost before the wheel spins . )

[@ntphong999]

I tried ceramic speed pulley wheels : not convinced at all ( average rider ) A well maintained and clean bike will help better

[@Rose.Of.Hizaki]

I think. For the average joe who doesnt race but goes on club runs - totally not worth it unless they have money burning a hole in their pocket. But I think moving from the cheap pulley with the ferrule bearing to a wheel with a proper bearing would be a good step forward and some dont even need to cost the earth. Im currently overhauling two of my bikes. My commuter is running a 105 5700 and my _'go faster'_ bike is on an old 6800 Ultegra - All with the stock OEM jockey wheels. The commuter is getting a really cheap BBB Roller Boys BDP-02 that doesnt even cost me $12. The 6800 is getting a BDP-22 which cost me $43. I could have gone OEM but i did a lot of digging through reviews and even the $12 jockey set should be better than the OEM ultegra set according to reviews. $12 is cheap enough for me not to care too much if they offer little to no difference to the OEM 5700 Jockey wheels. -- it sounds dumb but im pretty excited to see if i'll feel any difference between the old and new jockey wheels. owned both bikes about 5-6years

[@Ballbird4435]

What about really dirty drive terrains does it save more watts because During triatholon you sweat, you bike collects lot of dust? Or what about a gravel race when you are riding in verry rough and dusty conditions?

[@EricAbbottTri]

If you wax your chain then it won't collect dust and dirt when riding and this won't change the wattage loses

[@bryaneditiontv600]

bearings are meant to work under load, just spinning them is satisfying but doesnt tell sh*t XD

[@8rk]

Here's all the reason you need. It looks cool. There :)

[@HoudiniNL]

I just ordered me a chinese carbon derailleur arm with oversized ceramic jockey wheels. For those low prices I'll give it a go, cause I think it looks cool and even matches my bike colors. Should it fail, I'll just put the stock arm back and move on...

[@troylee3700]

Same here, waiting for it to arrive

[@antoniolaza736]

did the same thing, only an idea to consider, those ceramic bearings aren't sealed. It means the dirt will make it's way through it very easy. Imo i would consider replacing bearings with normal ones but higher quality, best way to go

[@HoudiniNL]

@@antoniolaza736 Exactly what I also did! 👍🏼

[@daveelanga7359]

So after a year, how'd it go?

[@HoudiniNL]

@@daveelanga7359 still going strong! 👍🏼

[@michaelhatch1994]

AS a percentage of watts, does that mean the average rider at way lower watts (like 150) is gaining a higher percentage return. And would that hold true for a female rider.

[@StopaskingformynameYouTube]

That LIV bike is georgeous! I'd ride it, no homo!

[@EricAbbottTri]

hahaha, I would as well. Looking good is half the battle.

[@roydp9136]

Actually there's an upside to this on the lower end side of the spectrum.. lower end, such as the shimano alivio groupsets & below or even the Ltwoo brands. And it's not on the racing side of it, rather on a more efficient way of shifting gears.. i know many here (philippines) use this upgrade to smoothen their ride. No delayed shifts or etc. As far as i know.

[@kingbenjie136]

How many 53T in your front crankset

[@saulfmoran]

Great video. Looks cool and if you got the $$ then get it.

[@47Seagull]

The spinning test isn't a very good indicator of how good the wheels are because there is no pressure on the wheel, thats when you may see a difference.

[@jasondundom1390]

I've had oversized pullies before and i honestly notice a miniscule difference in resistance, but soon forgot it as i rode away.. i think it's mainly about ego.. Don't i look totally Kool with my over priced pullies.. i've seen sets of 2 that are going for $300 😆

[@321bytor]

Hello Hambini fans!

[@MrSzwarz]

These gadgets are "money-making jockey wheels" Now for just 700USD another player on the market : ) Ceramic bearings Mmade in Poland. Profits margin 1000%

[@EricAbbottTri]

Well you are not wrong. It is a lot of marketing hype. However, there is a real benefit to be had it is just a small one

[@georgepepper5993]

What about possible Aero drag and weight increase.

[@LiShinong]

when will people just admit they brought it for the aesthetics. It's about how much watt it looks like you are out putting, rather than actually how much for most of us enthusiatics. You can tell me I'm losing 5 watts by installing OSPWs, I'm still keeping that thing on. It looks good, I'm happy it looks good. That sounds like money well spent to me, but don't go around justifying the 0.25 watts saving that cost you 300$. You can lose 0.2 kg of fat, and gain some actual watts/kg for free

[@csarswatches]

OSPWs look slick and as the saying goes: The slicker u look the faster you'll go, right? 😆😆😆

[@EricAbbottTri]

Looking good is over half the battle to go fast

[@j.albertogratacos2076]

I bet your chain will last a bit longer and have less possibility of breaking - and lube should last longer too. Also, there will come a day when you lose a race by 10 seconds and you will remember this video!

[@znhendraxxx7523]

i bought it because it look goods on the camera

[@jamesarnesen3635]

You look good you ride good

[@phil3830]

Less weight while you ride! Excellent! Fast!

[@JohnLupinVlog]

Ok, it's so nice explanation.Anyway my concern is,how about in climbing? It's a big help though?Thank you...🙂

[@AverageReviewsYT]

Here’s the reason I would get it. Yes I have seen the scientific results and tests from other creators.. get it because it looks cool.. it’s your bike..make of it what you would like.. one worthy note is someone did the ceramic ones and he backside has no seal, so that actually would kill performance.. so just a heads. Up

[@M3GRSD]

A lot of companies are getting into this whole "ceramic BB, ceramic pulley wheel system, over-sized jockey wheels" just to make money.

[@YourMom-vl2sp]

Imagine the time you'll save with just a bigger front chain ring 😂🤣😂🤣

[@allenk9342]

Totally agree! Changed my 52T to 54T recently and I already nailed two Strava segment KOM

[@nitrouspeed3583]

I wonder how many watts you lose in aero drag by having a larger cage

[@EricAbbottTri]

That's a great question. I don't know for the cage that I have but I do know that SLF motion also makes an Aero cage and when I spoke with the owner a while back he said the aero cage comes in 0.4 watts faster than the standard 11tooth cage (ie, the stock cage)

[@Berlingermane]

I almost bought it, it’s already added to cart. Guess I’ll be skipping this upgrade.

[@fernandogo1153]

Really surprise with the data yet I believe it. Its simply just more for esthetic...

[@mlegrand]

Price per watt savings is a great metric to look at. Personally, I like to dip my full naked body in a vat of cheap Vaseline. So aero. So affordable.

[@EricAbbottTri]

Oh man, how come I didn't think of that. Plus you will go faster in the water as well :)

[@mlegrand]

@@EricAbbottTri - Oh no. I do that in T1 and then wash it all off in T2. ;) I think the how much does it spin in your hand is a bit misleading. When I tried to race on a fidget spinner in 2020 I failed miserably. I think the tricky part is how efficient/durable the bearings are under load not how long will it spin. You could probably test this by stripping out the bearing lubricant.

[@michprent]

Does it make your drivetrain quieter?

[@EricAbbottTri]

I don't think it will do much for the sound.

[@AndresMUy-vd2fy]

1:11 ni las roldanas de mi 105 y el Veloce de los 90's giran tan mal.

[@jiyon167]

What gains you get from drive chain efficiency, you lose in aero deficiency.

[@cujoegaming5277]

They look cool though. And you can get chinese brand carbon pulleys with ceramic bearings for 50 bucks. But they name brand ones are ridiculously overpriced imo.

[@tfdzona7363]

I don't care what others think I would never do it for the wattage...lol I did it for the cosmetics...I should be heckled it's true but fast is first but it's gotta look good to me or it's not mine...I have never down graded for esthetics but I have not upgraded to my wallets potential to have a cohesive look...

[@vietnguyen4312]

I also heard the oversize jockey wheel creates more aerodynamic drag which nullifies the benefits. Lol

[@EricAbbottTri]

Yup, heard that as well. This is why I am getting the new aero system from SLF Motion.

[@memalang94]

It's worth it, i mean you bike will look more badass 😎

[@grahamreeve5209]

Ceramic bearing deterioration is quicker they end up robbing you of .5 wat.

[@moobaz8675]

I'm just a tart and like how they look. For my standard of riding its just a waste of time but then there is the sparkly accessories to happiness ratio....😁😅

[@EricAbbottTri]

It's all about what makes you happy so you go for it. You do you and love it

[@cliffcox7643]

1 watt on jockey, 4 watts BB, 2 watts narrow bars, 4 watts aero frame, 1watt aero sock, etc.. 10 watts at least if it matters to you as an athlete. And dont' athletes measure their performance in seconds?? But moreover, it saves you the doubt that you wonder, is it my bike or me... IF,,, if you eliminate the bike as a factor, then it really helps YOU, as the athlete to know that YOU must perform better when all else is addressed.

[@krollpeter]

My intuition says the nylon wheels are better than aluminium

[@retroonhisbikes]

Placebo effect is effect thousands of pounds/dollars . If its cheap it cant be good. The same item but different name but with £200 added to the price tag = must be good.

[@osiem_gwiazdek]

"A ton of people" - three Irish women on the scale.

[@danjo1967]

if you are doing ironman, you ALREADY bought into the hype; not just jockey wheels, its everything; equipment, clothing, lifestyle, mindset.. some grow out of it... most dont because it makes them feel special

[@EricAbbottTri]

Nothing wrong with doing this because they make you feel good and special. Everyone deserves to feel special sometimes.

[@jameswilson2815]

I mean, watt the hell! 🤙

[@andrewhussey510]

"Literally" - I don't think that word means what you think it means. The data says they're a waste of money and pays for the marketing. If you can afford them because you like how they look then fine, just don't tell other people you bought them to save watts.

[@davidhale1568]

It's all in the head!

[@EricAbbottTri]

On paper it is faster, that is just how the data works but in the real world you may be correct.

[@gk4y4]

Ok you save 1.76watts but you probably lose 2 watts from aero disadvantage of that huge pulley!

[@EricAbbottTri]

Yup that is a common point. That is why SLF motion has made an aero system that supposedly is a fraction of a watt faster than the standard cage.