Dirt Cheap OVERSIZE CARBON Pulley Cage - Install and test

[@1fizzychicken]

It’s always a good day when you see there’s a new Trace Velo video in the KZbin suggestions 👍

[@jy7245]

Tell me about it man

[@Lazy_Jay_Racing]

Every time 😁👌

[@simonwalker2460]

Mate you are by far the funniest presenter on youtube never mind just bike stuff.....you deserve your own tv show👍

[@ChinaCycling]

1:09 - not sure why I pissed myself laughing at the AliExpress airhorns. AliExpress rave posse unite!

[@TraceVelo]

LOL! Joe, you definitely fit into the AliExpress rave posse, no denying that! 😎

[@ChinaCycling]

@@TraceVelo I am a pretender. I've never bought anything on AliExpress. :( Haha. #SecondWorldProblems we just use Taobao in China. Oh, by the way, can you still do big chainring with big sprocket on the cassette? It looks like the OSPW has effectively shortened the chain?

[@TraceVelo]

Yeah so the chain I'm running was sized with an 11-28 cassette and the regular derailleur cage. With an 11-28 cassette, the new oversize cage works great with the full range of gears, but i recently upgraded to an 11-32 cassette which i fitted a few days ago. So with the larger cassette in this vid paried with the oversize cage, I can't quite reach the full range, but I tend to avoid cross chaining as a rule anyway, so not a massive deal. The chain could def do with being a few links bigger tho tbh.

[@MxCrab]

@@TraceVelo Was the 32 for some future gravel munching with the new disk brakes and wider tyres, or just so you can spin it like Froomey up the climbs? :P

[@TraceVelo]

@@MxCrab Yeah so I recently moved from London to the Cornish coastline in the UK, and the hills around here are next level. 11-28 was all I used to need, but hitting 20% inclines every mile or so, that 11-32 is already paying for itself!!!

[@AndreasRavnestad]

This channel is exactly what would happen if DIY Perks drank way too much coffee and suddenly had a knack for bikes.

[@sc0608023]

Ah, DIY Perks…ha, these two gentlemen even look alike!

[@scooterza]

Okay, that "last to the coffee shop" cameo performance gets a subscribe from me. That had me laughing out loud! Nice one!

[@smallhatshatethetruth7933]

I got tears, such a sad story

[@abedfo88]

Luke you madman, I've been eyeing up one of these for a while so thanks for being the Guinea pig. Completely awesomely above average video as ever.

[@TraceVelo]

Cheers Andrew! Good to see you lurking in the comments as always 😜

[@WTFduesGUY]

Genuinely one of my favourite channels atm. Waiting for that chinese TT bike build

[@judosteffer]

This is my new favourite channel! About time someone did one looking at getting good value for bike parts, and then testing if they are any good. Fantastic work and a natural , really funny presenter!!! Don't ever change!

[@renegodde5483]

Got one of those on my DI2 Ultegra for a couple of months now, absolutely flawless function I must say. However, 2 things you should do: 1. Replace the bearings once fall is getting close. As you mentioned, the stock ones are not going to survive long in wet conditions. Packing them with grease may help a while, but ultimately, a set of proper SKS bearings will cost you about 15€, so what the hell. 2. While you‘re replacing bearings, make sure you add some Locktite to the screws putting the cage back together. Otherwise, those tend to come lose und suddenly you got a little bit of a problem.

[@rachidnord660]

do you have the size for the bearing replacement?

[@THSimagery]

Hey there! do you have the spacing for the sealed bearing?

[@frederiklauferts]

@@rachidnord660 9x17x5 mm (LTwoo pulley)

[@SephGarreffa]

Do you still recommend? Any negative points?

[@vaiquemquer]

​@@frederiklaufertsthank you

[@xandervanheeringen5154]

Nice video, Luke! There’s another reason: if you want to change your short cage for a long cage. Shimano’s long cages are quite expensive and hard to come by. Now I can use 11-32 cassettes on my Dura Ace di2.

[@azngouki]

Earned a sub and like Luke. Your content is A1 and real to the common man wants to modify their bike safely and on a budget. Great tip on swapping to sealed bearings!

[@tristank9821]

1:55 "This shaft here, ha heh... sorry..." God, love this guy already.

[@steveindorset]

.....rarer than men wearing Rafa that don’t jump red lights!🚦 Really made me burst out laughing!!! 😆😆😆👍👍👍👍

[@gregstevenson7401]

I'm one. I see it all the time.

[@carlossorianodomingo3987]

I see that thing isn't happening only in Spain...

[@JohnLemieux]

Red lights are for motor vehicles. If there’s no cross traffic (and I can clearly see that’s the case) I’m not coming to a full stop.

[@MarquitoRH]

@@JohnLemieux And you are why car drivers hate cyclists. Well done and thanks 😮

[@flyinlo1474]

As others have probably said, it may only be 1 to 2% in efficiency gains, but the wow and cool factor definitely 100%. Thank you for another awesome video

[@SantiVSKATC]

Looks like the chain length could benefit with a link or two more.

[@mrskeltal3281]

I was gonna say, would switching from a standard medium cage to something oversized like this mean additional links required?

[@core2zero]

@@mrskeltal3281 you are adding additional length to the path the chain has to move to complete a revolution, so yeah, you should add a link or two more if your new cage is longer and if your chain was properly sized before

[@TraceVelo]

Yeah, good obervation! So the chain I'm running was sized with an 11-28 cassette and the regular medium derailleur cage. With an 11-28 cassette, the new oversize cage works great, but I recently upgraded to an 11-32 cassette which I fitted a few days ago. So with the larger cassette in this vid paried with the oversize cage, the chain could def do with being a few links bigger tbh. But if you are currently running a medium cage, just swapping it out with this oversize cage, you will be fine on the chain sizing IMO.

[@treadtyred9742]

@@TraceVelo Do you know if Shimano set the arm spring to high or low tension as standard?

[@attorreatravere4590]

@@TraceVelo One criteria is to be able to go "Big ring/big cog" without damaging your derailleur (lower length limit) and to be able to go "Small ring/Small cog" without the chain to bouce/bang against the stay (higher length limit).

[@Jkl158]

GCN “lose their nut” over certain equipment because they are sponsors

[@bluemystic7501]

And the only way you know they're sponsors is because GCN is very upfront about it so.....

[@347cyclealt]

@@bluemystic7501 well they're very upfront about it because they got into hot water a number of years ago about their lack of disclosure. cyclingindustry.news/asa-rules-wahoo-and-gcn-flicks-in-breach-of-advertising-standards/

[@bluemystic7501]

@@347cyclealt That's not what the OP was referring to.

[@markj.a351]

GCNs case with ceramic speed is quite telling. They were all for them while the sponsorship money was rolling in but then when it ended they've actually said not to bother with the OSP system in their tech shows.

[@FPLMikkel]

@@markj.a351 Granted it makes zero point for a normal end user you still see non-sponsored pros (also in triathlon) using Ceramic S peed products quite a bit. Anyway I really enjoyed the fabric tour they had with Ceramic Speed, but I will never buy any of it :)

[@bombdiggitydave3881]

Subscribed from across the pond in the USA. Your info on doing a cheap version of this item was informative and your energy and antics were fun to watch. I'm not at all sure if adding this bling will give any true gains either but alas, it just looks smarter and has a cool factor that stock does not. Thanks!

[@thistlebubs]

Fair play, exactly the kind of honest reviews that I’m looking for. Well done 👍. I’ll just clean my chain more often then 😀

[@MrAlpal2005]

I love how you are making yourself laugh at your over exaggerated gestures. Great video. Well done

[@boyacki]

watching these more recent videos for the introduction alone is so worth it! Love the humour and presentation. always very entertaining and informative , Thank you!!

[@mrskeltal3281]

Indeed. Someone give this man a job tv presenting...he's a natural!

[@TraceVelo]

Cheers P Wan!!! Much appreciated!

[@boyacki]

@@TraceVelo please keep up the good work! Also, are you now out of the Surrey area? you mentioned Richmond once so you must be local

[@TraceVelo]

@@boyacki Yeah so I actually moved out of London a few months ago, I live down south in Cornwall atm. I do really miss blasting round Richmond Park and heading out into the Surrey Hills tho. Those rides are tough to beat!

[@editdroid99]

Another banger! I just realized, after watching your videos for a while now, how much my bike resembles yours. Cheap Chinese carbon frame (Seraph) in matte black, Tiagra R4700, and cheap unbranded Chinese carbon wheels. I too am a massive cheapskate (or at least my wife is), so your videos have opened my ride up to the possibility of the #CarbonLife. Thanks! I'm a total copy cat, but I think I'll skip the oversized cage... for now. I am thinking pretty hard about those carbon handlebars though. Keep up the very excellent work!

[@TraceVelo]

Nice! Carbon cheapsakes for life!!! But yeah, this is definitely one of those upgrades that doesnt really do much other than look cool tbh. But the bars im currently running, great so far but ive only put a few hundred miles on them. Ill keep you posted tho!

[@SuperNeilB]

Never mind the bike....you look like me!

[@TheImprobableIronman]

Loving your work sir. Laughed out loud about your observation that, "If I was a professional rider, I probably wouldn't have chosen the cheapest wheels, bottom bracket and bearings that I could possibly find!".

[@TraceVelo]

Maybe there is a gap in the professional riding scene for a bargain bucket race team!

[@TheImprobableIronman]

Absolutely. And it would be so funny so see one of the bigger teams struggling to keep up with them. :-)

[@anserrizvi3304]

@@TraceVelo Team Trace! With Ali Express as the headline sponsor! 😂 😂 😂

[@Angieboy173]

Your show is very underrated. Your nutty energetic information packed episodes always bring a laugh with some great info!! Keep up the great work brother 🤙

[@gvtrivia6780]

dude, your video is the funniest yet best of all out there addressing this thing. thanks

[@larisonjohnson]

Luke, throwing out the zingers...I like it! Rafa red light jumpers! 🤣🤣🤣 ...well done. I felt that coffee shop story down to my toes. Love the tech however. Thought about it in the past but for a few watts, not sure it’s worth the AliExpress risk. I’ll be waiting to see how yours gets on.

[@keithchristner4522]

Not gonna lie, I loved the GCN dig. Lol

[@cachetrider8970]

Man that cafe segment at the end really hit home and got me emotional.

[@floatrollcrawl]

Love the channel! Always happy to see a new video out!

[@TraceVelo]

Cheers Jared, glad to hear it!

[@aldrinclementina4297]

I have to be honest. In the beginning I've founded this guy annoying. But after I subscribed and watching more and more of the videos I realized that "As Always Luke" is funny man..lol 😂 thnkx for the video 💪🏾

[@davidzimmerman7770]

I put mine on the other day on my 105 group it's awesome how smooth and quiet my bike has become.

[@Elias-iq2sc]

Tbh this was the best video introduction ever

[@feldybikes]

12:40 that was oddly specific

[@cyclingfan7303]

Dude, Broadway is waiting for you!

[@KarlenBell]

4:14 I was thinking: are you able to just take the seal off of the regular bearings and put it on the ceramic ones? That way not only do you have the benefit of low-friction ceramic bearings, but you also have protection against mud and grinds with the seals.

[@MarkMilotay]

I was wondering that myself. The other was to find sealed ceramic bearings to replace them with.

[@casobank]

The ceramic bearings will actually last longer than the steel ones; just take a seal off the steel bearings and put it on open side of the ceramic.

[@THSimagery]

@@casobank Hey there, Have you tried this?

[@casobank]

@Herman Copelin I have, with great results, might I add. My personal use was for a longboard I built 4 years ago. I found that ceramic bearings marketed towards skaters were overpriced and no difference other than the plastic case/seal. I took the seals off a set of cheap steel bearings, ordered a set of ceramic bearings from aliexpress, and they fit in perfectly.

[@casobank]

@@THSimagery Just make sure the bearings you buy are rated for an application similar to your use. In other words, don't use rc car bearings on your bike lol 😉

[@joshuabuilds3051]

Marginal Gains is the name of the podcast that got me to start running a waxed drivetrain.

[@deskelly9313]

$1200 just for the cage is literally insane. Apple and audiophiles come to mind. Aliexpress is awesome

[@airwilliam24]

Is it possible to be a budget audiophile lol :D? I like headphones a lot but I don't spend more than like $200 on them.

[@hervinderpurewal4369]

luke love your videos makes my day when a new one arrives. awesome.

[@davidtydeman1434]

Love the video presentation as always - there has to be a good reason why Shimano doesn’t offer oversized pulley wheels as standard or as an option

[@MerlinGreece]

Thanks for the tips, from my R7000 105, I changed the plastic rollers with the ultegra rollers, they have bearings . I gain 1,5 watts 🙂🙃🙂🙃 with 10 pounds cost.

[@peenito]

I don't even have gears and I saw it from beginning to end. Great channel!

[@TheCup0joe]

It’s like you’ve read my mind! I’ve been looking at these!

[@martinextejt3453]

Great to watch until the end. Sure looks great! I'll double down on keeping my chain clean though. Thanks for doing the research.

[@georgegrant6388]

It's very likely the 2.5W gains are even less than claimed, I've not seen the test setup they use but the whole 'chain turning in tighter circles' thing is correct, but it's very dependant on the actual tension in the chain for these losses to actually be meaningful. If you press down on the pedal slightly with your rear brake on, you can still pick the chain off the underside of the cassette/chainring. The tension here is only provided by the derailleur cage torsion spring. So minimal tension in the chain, so minimal losses from the chain friction (minimal is orders of magnitude lower than 2.5W). Chain tension is a thing from 9-12 o'clock on the cassette and the opposite on the chainring. Bearing drag isn't really a thing that can be reduced that much on bikes due to the speeds involved, the difference in rotational speed between the jockey wheels is minimal and the drag is already low. Most of the test data and research for this thing is focused on gearboxes with speeds in the 1k+ rpm. And I'll leave you with some food for thought.... If chain tension losses from tight circles are a thing (which they are, elite track cyclists use 16T+ cogs for a reason), then why is there a push to use 9T and 10T cassettes on 1x systems, it doesn't make sense!

[@kerem_altun732]

I agree with you

[@svelobikes9049]

The best cheap upgrade was when I bought clip-on tri-bars for 30 canadian dollars.

[@patsizer3581]

Yep, definitely the cheapest go faster upgrade...

[@georgewatson3166]

Sensah Empire 2x12 might be worth a look, if you're feeling frisky. Not too much info on the groupo around online. Great video as always btw.

[@terrywin2661]

The part where he explains how you can, "brag about it to your mates on the group ride" is POSITIVELY HILARIOUS!!!!😂🤣

[@MrJay_White]

my reason for using these, is they add chain capacity. meaning you dont stress the gears so much on wide range cassettes.

[@daffaabieza1938]

It’s good to know that your name is as always...... Still, luke

[@NewPolishScientist]

One day will be Lucas 😅

[@TheBigCheese233]

Just watched the pulley wheel video. Im ready for this!!!

[@anaxa4883]

Looking forward to the ltwoo shifter review!

[@TraceVelo]

Literally got them in the post a few days ago, so stay tuned!!!

[@nachelia]

Can you do a gravel build?

[@ollieoxley7382]

How about a review on a set of cheap(-ish) lightweight brake callipers? Something from KCNC or Fouriers? Great video as well mate

[@febryanvaldo]

KCNC and FOURIERS is no way near cheap. They're expensive.

[@ollieoxley7382]

@@febryanvaldo that’s true when compared to mega low-end callipers like Sora or the cheaper Tektro brakes, but compared to Dura-ace and SRAM red callipers, Fouriers and KCNC CB9 come out lighter and around half the price

[@febryanvaldo]

@@ollieoxley7382 oh yes, if that's what you mean

[@TraceVelo]

Yeah I have been on the lookout for some decent lightweight rim bake calipers. But like some of the comments have said, Fouriers and KCNC stuff is still pretty premium for what you get in terms of weight savings over regular calipers. I'll def keep an eye out tho!

[@ollieoxley7382]

@@TraceVelo fair enough mate, been looking to get a pair of the lighter callipers hence the question. Keep up the good work mate, cracking content 👌

[@mwilko79]

Great video matey...love your energy 👍

[@TraceVelo]

Cheers Mark! Really appreciate it!

[@glennicol1361]

I saw that Sensah have have released their own recently on Aliexpress.

[@nachelia]

Loved the dark backstory

[@yurimow]

11:27 good to know. the day i'll be able to do 250W i might give them a try

[@mikele2259]

Your videos are great man 👍 really enjoy them. Please keep it up 💪

[@tomcruz3774]

I'll wait for you at the cafe stop dude. No homo

[@LimYQS]

6:56 i took me an hour to do that then i realized what i did wrong... apply force on the derailleur spring and hanger portion to bring the cage out on your bike shift it to the largest cog... will make it a whole lot easier!

[@edpilling4955]

Good work! Quality video review as always.

[@Squash_Man]

Anything with bearings will be better than bushings for derailleurs. The same goes for rear shocks on mountain bikes. I switched to needle bearings years ago for my rear shock. But I agree that the bearings need seals.

[@Whatsthepointingoats]

Looking forward to an update on the Elite wheels

[@TraceVelo]

Yeah its probably going to be a while until I do a dedicated update on the EliteWheels, but so far so good. Admittedly ive only done a few hundrerd miles on them, but still perfoming great!

[@virtualvelo2744]

You just save me a thousand quid, eh. Sending you all the love sir. Thank you

[@simonepg6194]

Nice video! the crucial part, like removing the bearing covers, is missing. I tried but couldn't. Do I need a special tool?

[@yoyodynepropulsion.systems]

I love your videos and they way you produce them. Some much awesomesauce.

[@TyProvosty]

Love your presentation style. Quite wonderful!

[@alexanderbolton3708]

The café stop ... fabulous acting! 😭😭😭

[@peterharrington8709]

So basically there's no practical value to this cage. But, Luke gets to feed his addiction to cheap Chinese carbon, and entertain us for 10 mins. Works for me!😆

[@TraceVelo]

Peter... You have cracked the code!

[@andyh2677]

great production as usual luke ...thanks

[@gamecat1923]

Got the same one myself, was cheaper than replacing the standard Ultegra cage after it got a bit bent.

[@TraceVelo]

Yeah I mean this is a great point. This is definitely a good candidate for a replacement, considering the cost of geniune Shimano parts!

[@MerlinMan1579]

Wow, 2+ watts.....sign me up!!! Plus it’ll save me having to get my eyebrows ‘Aero’ styled.

[@craigcarter9513]

LOL

[@brotherfranciz]

If you really want to be aero, you should shave them off. 😂

[@whiskeyromeo450]

Hey Luke, love your channel. I am running a KCNC OSPW on an R6800 and I just picked up one like this carbon one for an R8000 derailleur. My chain length is correct for the OSP but my question is can I run an 11-34 cassette now because it makes the cage much longer than the OEM SS cage? Or do I need a goat link to give the derailleur the drop? Just curious what the largest gear you can run with these OSPW. Thanks! Cheers!!

[@whiskeyromeo450]

I answered my own question and just to give you a update on what I found. I put an OSPW on an R8000 Ultegra derailleur and one of those aluminum 11-34 cassettes that you have tried and had great success! The B screw is almost all in but it does shift beautifully and I get the larger gear range with the OSPW without an extended link. I hope that helps anyone out there that wants to try this combination! Cheers!

[@onedelacruz3660]

Naice man. Gonna try this on my 105. Just wondering what 11-34 did you install? thanks again

[@hectorpoh5297]

Just came across this video. Would you know what the size reference code is for the bearings? Looking to replace as well. Thanks!

[@Gonzo_The_Great]

689RS.

[@FiveMinuteVelo]

An informative and entertaining video again. When you were demonstrating the gear shifting on the trainer, it looks as though you need to do a few extra links in your chain. Did you put any more links in to compensate for the larger jockey wheels?

[@DWMtukwila]

it is less friction due to less flex necessary in the chain. Also, less tension in the pulley reduces friction as well

[@BangTheRocksTogether]

See? You're costing me money already. Now I have to spend $115 on a new bench vise for my shop, and, like, $300 on some Rapha gear, if I'm going to keep jumping red lights. I'll never save enough for that carbon frame at this rate...

[@fredmeredith2452]

You should try taking the seal of the non ceramic bearing and put them on the ceramic ones. not sure if it would work but worth a go!

[@bokeron0000]

Hello , thanx for the videos , they are quite interesting and funny . I saw you using Giyo gloves , could make a review for those someday? Thank you!!!

[@Dogbreath1974]

Another great video Luke

[@warreng5963]

Top class yet again! How are you getting on with those Elite wheels?

[@tidna334]

Hi Luke, do i need to add a few links to the chain to make the chain longer for the pully cage?

[@joedonnachie4292]

How are the Elite wheels going? Im looking to get the same but the rim brake version.

[@TraceVelo]

Yeah so the elite wheels are still going strong! Admittedly i have only done a few hundred miles on them so far, but no issues so far!

[@tavisjou3778]

Super cool and important extra 0,5 watts 😄

[@TraceVelo]

Yes indeed!

[@mikeypalmer3977]

Another fun video! For 2 watts I dont think I'll bother myself!

[@ignaciosevil2157]

we should get to submit out bikes and then we get the Suggested items for upgrade on the cheeap. I have the ultimate budget build aswell its insane

[@SkonkBot]

The point of ceramic bearings is to reduce friction, dust seals add a huge amount of friction and thus would negate the point of using ceramic so most ceramic bearings will likely have no seals. It's why they're pretty pointless outside of competition where the riders will likely put fresh bearings in for every race.

[@47Seagull]

I was trying to find just the inner and outer plates for my derailleur because mine have started to rust. Couldn't find them anywhere ended up buying something similar to yours. Question: Did you have to put on a longer chain? 🤔

[@TraceVelo]

Yeah you basically do. I think in this video I mentioned that you don't have to, and that is sometimes true, but in the vast majority of cases, you will need a few extra links in the chain.

[@sc0608023]

To be honest, the placebo effect it gives you probably worths more than 2 watts when you doing 45kph with a perfect 0 deg yaw headwind on the glass-smooth pavement while being drugged up with Tramadol and caffeine!

[@primozberlec8759]

Did you have to add some chain segments. Is the chain length the same?

[@onedelacruz3660]

Wanted to know too 😊

[@SniperSnake50BMG]

Please Luke may try using the metallic bearing's seals and put them on the ceramic ones to see if they make the job of sealing completely the bearings!?

[@sethleibowitz2906]

Thanks Luke. Do you have to resize/change the chain if you put in an oversized cage?

[@mr.on9]

I think you don't need to?

[@FooFahFoeFum]

The bolts from the new cage , are they the same length of the OEM Shimano 105. Sometimes the new arrangement, might cause the new cage to be under stress if the thickness of the new bearing is wider or less thick than the OEM. Length of bolts (new vs old) is a tip off that something is not correct. IMO, LARGER PULLEYS PLACES LESS STRESS ON YOUR CHAIN.

[@suliom2258]

Luke, I really enjoy your videos. Been watching them for over a year and finally subscribed. Just curious what clip on mic you use in the vids?

[@dolandbrowne969]

Great videos on bike stuff and you are hilarious 😆

[@cospinan]

Nice video... And a suggestion... could you do your cheap version of a gravel bike from China...

[@TraceVelo]

Cesar, I would freaking love to do this, just need to find room for another bike :P

[@JUSSTTIINFU3K]

Wow nice package 😀 new and enhanced

[@yspegel]

you gain 2.5 watt and get 3watt more air drag, great! I'm in! haha P.s.: Please do me (and yourself) a favor next time when exchanging/pressing a baring PLEASE make a plate with a hole (or just a simple o ring) to relieve tension on the inner ring. It saves your baring for being damaged before use, saving an other whopping 4 watts!

[@simonliew9728]

Hey Luke, I really love your vid and loving Aliexpress too.

[@user-kw3js1xk3l]

I'm at work right now and can't watch the video. Is the name still Luke ??

[@ridekernow]

No, it’s “As Always Luke” now apparently.

[@ADCFproductions]

@@ridekernow yes i can confirm, his name is as always As Always Luke

[@umTeacher01]

It's Always Luke, indeed

[@aldrinbaradillo5714]

That was a great video content and presentation! Hoping you make a video regarding a road bike that uses mountain bike RD as it has a clutch with reduce chain slap. It seems intuitive that Shimano is applying their MTB tech to Road drivetrain like 105 with Shadow tech.

[@davidtydeman1434]

Shimano make an Ultegra rear derailleur with a clutch for road bikes