Are People Born Gay? (Fr. Mike Schmitz)

[@aristotle5698]

Yo, guys, pray for a humble agnostic who is thinking of doing a complete 180°

[@quetuespiritumeguiesinfron3679]

Blessings my dear brother.

[@doopers125]

Carter Morris Repeat this prayer continuously Lord Jesus Christ son of God, have mercy on me a sinner

[@missionariesOME33]

Carter, how beautiful! The Lord loves you so much. He desires you to know His deep love for you and Mother Mary wants you to know Her deep Motherly love. Come to Jesus. He is waiting.

[@ronaldmartin4664]

Hello, Carter. Let's pray for each other, & be in touch. I'm an Orthodox Christian priest. My email is [e-mail]

[@myoung48281]

Don't do it, agnostic is the gateway to being free of archaic belief systems.

[@lifesimply6640]

Pray for me! I’m an atheist- born into Catholicism. I love the religion and how mysterious it is, I know it’s the true religion. Just can’t bring myself into believe there is a higher power whatsoever. I need help!

[@lifesimply6640]

Juliusius thank you! I will check it out

[@nickshininger]

Praying for you! You are so loved and the Catholic Church will always be here to welcome you home 😊

[@alt8791]

@@TheMountAndBladerX10 most of which have been discredited by science, and none of which are accepted as valid by other religions, as they have their own list of supposed 'miracles.'

[@TheMountAndBladerX10]

@@alt8791 those "discredited" partsbi would love to see for the newer ones and of course other religions wouldnt accept them, anyome who accepts doesnt have much logical alternatives besides catholicism.

[@PFM719]

@@alt8791 Yeah, obviously no other religions would accept them lmao. Otherwise they'd be Catholic. What point are you trying to make?

[@salembookworm]

I am a Cradle Catholic and used to think I was bisexual (even lesbian a few years prior to that) and genderfluid back in my University days. I never acted on my feelings because something seemed to hold me back. Then I got exposed to a charismatic (I studied in a protestant Bundesland here in Germany) church group at my campus and then I slowly found my way back to my Catholic Faith and I am so thankful for God's patience and that he never gave up on me. No matter how hard I tried.

[@juliag6552]

there is nothing wrong with being gay.

[@Docpowel]

@@juliag6552how can you know ?

[@Youve_GotABeard]

@@Docpowel You’re just afraid. It doesn’t change anything if you are. The fate of the universe or that of your soul does not depend on who you love or what gender persuasion they are. For Goodness sakes 🙈

[@Youve_GotABeard]

You think God is going to say, hmm.. good person, but not good enough. Chuck ‘em out. Bin ‘em. What the..

[@Youve_GotABeard]

Emancipate yourself from mental slavery.

[@AlienInvasionDefenceSystem]

Fr Mike is skilled at empathy and I think it is genuine. He’s a good guy. I’m not catholic, but I like his discussions.

[@mariafriedly]

Maybe you should consider Catholicism :) it is the best thing that would ever happen to you

[@dan69052]

more discussions If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace

[@BraniG-psyc03]

Do you know him?

[@BritneyStinson]

Idk friendo, it comes across as hogwash and basura to me

[@maurarojas4891]

@@AlienInvasionDefenceSystem Someday, I/we would like to welcome you home.

[@shawnmwilson]

I’m not Catholic but Fr. Mike seriously makes me consider it. Love that dude! So real and compassionate.

[@P3vlogVid]

Didn't get that feeling whatsoever.

[@thefiringsquadtfs6392]

His points are very grounded and mostly gets you from A to B in a straightforward way as much as possible, that's why a lot of people gets him even if they don't agree with him.

[@klingerp]

Even if you are not catholic, you can get a lot of very interesting information from Fr. Mike’s Bible in a year podcast or here in in ascension’s channel

[@Myles452]

@@klingerp 5

[@uteme]

Catholicism is awesome.

[@christiandpaul631]

Jesus admits that everyone has a cross. He doesn't indicate that He will take your cross. He tells everyone to pick up their own. Blessed Mother tells us to use our cross as a tool to salvation. All crosses are very heavy. No one is spared. Faith, hope, and love are the only things that make it bearable. To hand your cross over to Him only means that you trust Him, not that He will take it away but it will feel lighter because you now understand it has purpose. It is not just worthless suffering. You can use it to help the salvation of souls that have never heard of Jesus as well as those who have.

[@deadislandfanclub]

Amen

[@pastorbri]

@@deadislandfanclub so homophobics have their own cross to bare as its a lifestyle they freely chose......Homophobics then should hand your cross over to Him only means that you trust Him, not that He will take it away but it will feel lighter because you now understand it has purpose. It is not just worthless suffering. You can use it to help the salvation of souls that have never heard of Jesus as well as those who have.

[@christiandpaul631]

@@pastorbri As Christians we. Believe prayer is a real tool that can sometimes change our circumstanced if God feels it is beneficial to our salvation. Otherwise you're stuck with it.

[@Dagger_323]

pastor brian disagreeing with the homosexual lifestyle is not a sin.

[@pastorbri]

@@christiandpaul631 I agree which is why we must pray for homophobics to change.

[@larryyoungjr]

Mike Schmitz looks like a medium-sized John Cena.

[@mbphorseback7709]

to me he looks like Hugh Jackman "Wolverine"

[@michaelimbrenda2851]

Nah he looks more like sal from impractical jokers

[@mpshields]

Yeah.... HOT!

[@a311yaga4]

Yeah they look alike

[@ngoany9869]

😑😑...😲😲😲😲 He kinda does....😍😍yeah ..maybe that's why I secretly have a crush on this stranger ...lol..feel...weird...but idc...just...a little crush..

[@60greyhairandsparkles21]

Being gay is not a “behaviour “ like watching porn, smoking, infidelity etc. Being gay is who that person is biologically. If it’s just the “act” that is “a sin”, then wow there are a lot of straight people out there in trouble!!Made perfectly in Gods image, just like everyone else in this world.

[@dan69052]

If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Research has shown that major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin since there is no choice offered. The fetus has no willful acceptance. However, if your religion or belief system states that it is a sin, then there can be no discussion. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. Facts are irrelevant. This is your only choice which doesn’t include options & exceptions. If the rules say it is a sin, So be it. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality or religion, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology & superstition with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression as well in the animal kingdom. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book & the numerous articles. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both determined by genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace

[@monwas2015]

Being gay is not a behavior, acting in homosexuality is Example: Being straight is not a behavior, having sex with women out of marriage is

[@DewiiEsq]

Fr. Schmitz is one of the best evangelizers to my generation by far. He is genuine and understanding, yet so knowledgable and sharp.

[@seansswamp]

David DeKold you can only be saved by grace alone, only Jesus can save you, you can’t do it it yourself. If you sin it’s okay we all do, ask God to forgive you and make you strong, have faith in God because you can’t save yourself no matter how hard you try, if you live a “sinless” life you won’t make it to heaven, but if you live a life in CHRIST alone you do. Preach the gospel, if you sin it’s okay, ask God to forgive you because he knows you can’t save yourself only threw him. God loved you, I love You❤️🙏🏾

[@alextollinche9947]

Father Mike a question do Straight people choose to be straight ? No their born that way just like Gays and Bisexuals .😊 Its called common sense you like who you like it's nobody's business as long as your consenting adults .

[@dan69052]

truth If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of our species & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others, that you are entitled to, this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. The public must be exposed to facts & knowledge. It is an obligation for those who know the truth & must defend it. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace

[@kylemathias6335]

@@dan69052 many homosexual people who've become straight after encountering Jesus would reject your statement, homosexuality for the most part is a choice and reversible with will. I'd suggest you watch real life testimonies instead... And if you believe in science, you'd know it goes against natural law of reproduction, and doesn't benifit for the progression of a particular species,so much for your "science"

[@mc9406]

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[@michaelfowler9467]

The way he plays devil's advocate is so well done and productive to the conversation. You can tell how much work, research, and preparation he put into this. Very impressive

[@purityballs7446]

It impresses the ignorant and stupid very well.

[@purityballs7446]

Too bad they have no qualifications in any science, so they answered with superstitious propaganda. It only impresses weak-minded, poorly-educated people.

[@themonsterunderyourbed9408]

That's what critical thinkers do. We don't just regurgitate nonsensical talking points like the woke left does. We constantly question ourselves and ask ourselves if we are wrong. When someone doesn't question themselves, it's not confidence, they've been brainwashed. Being open minded doesn't mean accepting everything (like the woke left does), it means being open to having your beliefs, morals and values challenged. If someone can prove me wrong on something, or can give me new information, I will absolutely change my beliefs to the truth.

[@themonsterunderyourbed9408]

@Big Dick Black What does that have to do with anything I said or anything going on today?

[@annak.thomas8168]

Really?

[@hiddensaint3251]

Oh my Jesus, forgive us our sins... save us from the fires of hell. Lead all souls to heaven, especially those in my need of thy mercy. Amen.

[@kodingkrusader2765]

@Casey McCullen The Templar Knight of Justice go to confession...receive the sacrament of reconciliation. Be filled with the grace needed to fight sin. We are called by Our Lady of Fatima (the origin of this prayer) to atttend confession 5 first saturdays in a row.

[@hiddensaint3251]

Casey McCullen The Templar Knight of Justice bless you and may God watch you in your steps

[@hiddensaint3251]

It’s really used for the souls in purgatory, of course your advise is accurate tho. Deus Vult

[@vananon51]

Amen. I pray that every day, multiple times a day. It's a profound prayer, on par with the Act of Contrition. God bless you.

[@joserosa5342]

Hell its not real. gosh

[@MiddleClassGentlemen]

I am not Catholic, but I love listening to Fr. Schmitz

[@dan69052]

for more truth read on If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace

[@theclapaolini4322]

God can help you no matter what you ask prayerfully. The example of these poor souls to embrace another body and changing it after God did his best to create you a male or female. If God gave your life why decide to go and be God????

[@scott6504]

We should pray for our Priests. The Church is under great attack.

[@Taima]

I think you mean pray for the Church because the priests deserve to be attacked

[@scott6504]

@@Taima All Priests? I'll have to disagree.

[@peteraschaffenburg1]

As it should be.

[@mr.zimbel]

There are no priests, only preachers and Jesus wanted everyone to be a preacher. You don't need a church, a robe or a license to preach.

[@mr.zimbel]

@Not My last nameThere shouldn't be any priests in Christianity, because priests are a medium between God and humans. Jesus tught to pray directly to God. Also Jesus wanted us to only preach his word, which isn't very hard to do.

[@AG-ng8gt]

I'm not Catholic but I really enjoy listening to Mike. I had the privilege of meeting him once when he was giving a speech in Brainerd, MN (where I live and where he's from, originally). He is as genuine in person as you would expect from watching his videos. I appreciate that he can impart so much wisdom for all Christians.

[@GuntherZielke-o7c]

I'm a grown man and I have a best friend that is likely repressing SSA, he seems to be going crazy because of his repression, but for all I know he's just so pent up that it's like he's in jail and ready to have sex with anything, it's very strange. I pray he gets better, he definitely needs a woman. I think I'll stay friends with him for the sake Jesus who died for him as much as He died for me, but if he starts coming on to me I know I can't stay. I'm currently a Non-Denominational Evangelical Protestant, but I'm trying to learn about Catholicism because I want to repair a rift caused in my family when I was born Catholic but raised Protestant from like the age of 3. I went to Christian schools, but the teaching needs to be more advanced and rigorous than you'd find in a Sunday school if we plan on resisting and pushing back on Islam and other Judaizing heresies. I was a very bad man for a very long time, but I gave my life to Jesus, and so can anyone else, including gays, trans people and even prisoners, God's mercy is for all of us who renounce our sins and ask for forgiveness, regardless of your denomination.

[@nardimolinero6163]

R u celibate? R u a priest? There is something about considering the human condition. The "Human Condition ". U gave something up? The basics. Ur "attraction " to females. I don't think u did Ur going to be celibate for the rest ur life? That is obviously a choice that u made. Sacrifice? U are giving people that happen???? To be attracted to(terrible)the same I guess mislead route to go. Same sex. And everything about it. Well the best to you. Maybe your calling to the ministry in part was to explain and call back some of the sheep that lost their way.

[@JesusIScalling777]

I agree. There are a lot of things I see error in the Cathollic church when I read the Bible, but I agree with many thinks Mike shares in his video, and I believe it's our personal RELATIONSHIP with Jesus Christ that matters more than anything. God will judge each of us correctly. He knows every intent of our hearts. AMEN.

[@transfigurationyouthminist3619]

"There's a difference between relief and freedom" - HOLY COW that distinction just blew my mind. So true! Great insight Fr. Mike!!! Thank you!

[@annathomas8569]

Same

[@michellea9857]

So true, this applies to everyone’s sexuality, homosexual or not, we all need healing in this area to be free and be the people we were made to be.

[@jlayman89]

He is right that relief can feel like freedom and create the feeling that this is right. Hes also not taking into account that there are plenty of people who never have the fear to then experience that relief, yet still experience that same freedom. Just because its a possible explanation for something does not mean its the only or even the correct explanation. He does acknowledge this rifht after that point as well.

[@pastorbri]

and homophobia is not a freedom

[@rhyddidroselouw3896]

@@pastorbri Homophobia kills people.

[@lorenzolozzigallo2589]

I’ve been struggling with SSA most of my life. Being raised in an atheist family, everybody took for granted that I was “born this way” and showered me with their acceptance. As soon as I started my path towards baptism, my feelings changed. I don’t have to fight SSA - all I had to do was not fighting back Jesus and letting Him guide me. I now look forward to being baptized on Easter and I couldn’t be happier. SSA was the cause for most of the pain in my life: now it feels unreal, like a bad dream.

[@balderasolga5]

Congratulations,God bless you 🙏😇

[@cincin4515]

What is SSA? Secret American codes dont cut it on an international platform.

[@pinkfloydguy7781]

God bless you and have mercy on you 👍 I struggled with transgenderism before, I’m looking forward to my Easter baptism too. @@cincin4515 Same-sex attraction

[@oscargr_]

So you are in a relationship with a woman now?

[@mariamartin94]

@@cincin4515 Same sex attraction

[@CarlosPerez-dd3hm]

Christ didn't come to make us happy, He came to free us from our sins.

[@jflores85]

you just reminded me of the buddy Christ statue from the movie, Dogma. But the reveal is in the reverse order, the crucifix with the bleeding dying Christ is the true image of how we should see him instead of happy winking Jesus that some people justify as Christ that didn't suffer and that our sins aren't automatically forgiven.

[@tinag7506]

"rejoice always, pray continually"1Thessal 15-17 He does want us to be happy... freeing us from our sins can bring His light and peace. And eventually joy granted by the Holy Spirit....But it would be more correct to say that Christ didn't come to grant happiness through worldy pleasures.

[@25chrishall]

It depends what you mean by happy. One could argue that Christ in fact did come to make us experience eudaimonia or happiness.

[@CarlosPerez-dd3hm]

@@jflores85 my response was the father's video

[@jakinmiller3222]

I agree with you that God didn't come to give us temporary material happiness, but he certainly came to give us eternal perfect happiness with him in heaven

[@elizabethj6534]

Okay but Father Mikes hair is fresh asf

[@Retrogamer71]

He likes to present well on screen.

[@Hypexotic]

Looks immature actually soo

[@crystalcara02]

He low-key fine 🙊

[@crystalcara02]

@David Joseph Really? Hoping God punishes someone? How very Catholic of you! lol. Pray that she turns from it or simply worry about yourself.

[@crystalcara02]

@David Joseph You can speak truth and not be a douchebag about it.

[@margaretdesser2376]

The greatest lie the devil tells us is that what we experience, we experience alone.

[@jamesparson]

How did you determine that? Where is your research.

[@ThomasG_Nikolaj]

@@jamesparson SOOOOURCE PLEASE... SOURCE SOURCE SOURCEE! SNOPES DEBOOONKT

[@kevinz2738]

@@ThomasG_Nikolaj lmao

[@patthompson8591]

Meaning???

[@takforce06]

Yup 👍

[@DCLayclerk]

Father Mike is an amazing and brilliant priest. One of the things I like about him is that he comes across as friendly and approachable, but not in that cheesy way that some priests can be where it’s all about them. One of the issues Fr Mike addresses really well is the difference between experience and identity. Too often, especially in American culture, people think that their personalities and identities are defined by the experiences they have. Also, and he hints at this as well, we live in a culture that very much preaches a message of “if you have a desire, that desire is automatically good, and that desire must be satisfied.“ What the Catholic Church teaches and which is very difficult for many people, is the idea of delayed gratification or making sacrifices, which means not always giving into every desire you have. But if you live in a culture that believes you are expected to give into every desire and that your experience of doing that identifies you, it’s obviously very difficult to resist that.

[@brianmcmillan8143]

Well said

[@purityballs7446]

He's a cunning propagandist addressing the ignorant to twist their minds

[@laundrybest2290]

With still a pure love. Not someone under depression One

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

Yes

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

@Big Dick Black actually Americans overwhelmingly supported marriage only being defined between a man and a woman. It even failed as an initiative in California, that's right, California. It was only after the Supreme Court arbitrarily forced the rest of the country and the states were forced to adopt a definition of marriage that rendered the word meaningless, that's when opinions started to change. In other words, most Americans like supporting the status quo.

[@denakelley4363]

This one is a real struggle for me. I have several gay family members and friends. And all of them feel they were born that way. As a heterosexual, I always try to imagine what if society told me I was wrong, and I had to be attracted to the same sex? Could I do that? The answer is no. I simply can't accept that our innate sexuality is a choice. And so I do have to wonder why God allows people to be born that way, and their only real choice to remain in a state of grace is to live a life of chastity. I don't believe they can "convert" and change their innate sexual preference. And I think that would be unfair to a future spouse, as I have seen people try to be "straight" and ultimately their relationship fails because of their innate sexual preference. I'm not saying the Church is wrong on this issue, but it's definitely one I don't understand. I had a priest tell me once that he thought when we die we'll all have questions for God about things we didn't understand. This will be one of mine.

[@thatmovieguy777]

I second this! Great question.

[@dayanais0127]

Right there with you! 😣

[@adrienvillela2934]

I hope this acts as some sort of answer for it..at least this is the way I interprete it. Being celibate doesn't mean a life of loneliness and when you encounter the true love of god you won't limit love to a body part. Father Mike most priests do uphold a life of celibacy ( as you know ) and don't regret there decision because Christ brings so much more. I was chaste with my now wife for almost 5 years before we got married. Even now if some reason we could never have sex again I feel I'd be OK with that. It's enjoyable for sure but the joys of life, giving, and sacrifice brings more pleasure then sex ever really could. The hard part tho is getting someone who does struggle with it to see that truth and look past societal norms

[@denakelley4363]

@@phillipcockrell5503 I think there's a huge difference between adults who are attracted to the same sex and enter into a relationship consensually and adults who prey on children. I'm pretty sure God sees a difference there too. They may both be sins, but there are degrees of sin. Additionally, in the Catholic faith my understanding is it is very difficult for a man with SSA to enter the priesthood. I suspect it would be similar for a woman with SSA to enter a convent. In either situation, you would be living with members of the same sex, and basically living in a state of constant temptation.

[@micromultiplo]

Hi, I've studied something about psicology and yes, people in the first years can decide their sexuality most of the times through their parents relationship, for exemple most of people Who consider themself omosexual have a very present mother and a inconsistent father. Messages like injunction (destructive for the existence and the persona) of this type can be hiden under other more destructive or less social accepted injunctions... and they pass in infant age... they can be in the form of direct message, for exemple a mother that dresses a boy like a girl, or who wanted a girl so much that someway passes her intention to the Kid, It can be an indirect message like the refuse or the insults to the partner or other sex in general, It can also be Just interpreted that way by the Kid, that is the ultimate decision maker and judge of that all... He has an infantile decision to make, and than all his Life will be, if not helped, hiding his sadness under other problems thinking that that injunction Is real for everyone or it "Is Wat It Is", and can't change . And the ultimate problem in this situation Is the "Pride". Hope to bring another point of view, Sorry for my bad english. Have a nice life, take care!

[@jeannebouwman1970]

I was suffering from gender disphoria for my whole life, I was raised as a protestant christian, when I seriously considered converting to Catholicism and I had sent a mail to my parish it went away. the pastor of that parish told me that when he had received that mail from me that he started praying for me. I feel so blessed by God for having received this sign for His plan for me. I ask you to pray for me, that I may grow in following Gods plan and listening to Him.

[@pandaabbi1953]

@@jeannebouwman1970 God bless you! Praying for you🙏

[@maurarojas4891]

Wow! Ty for sharing. God bless you.

[@ericbourgeois8455]

Done

[@dan69052]

If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Research has shown that major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin since there is no choice offered. The fetus has no willful acceptance. However, if your religion or belief system states that it is a sin, then there can be no discussion. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. Facts are irrelevant. This is your only choice which doesn’t include options & exceptions. If the rules say it is a sin, So be it. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality or religion, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology & superstition with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression as well in the animal kingdom. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book & the numerous articles. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both determined by genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace

[@mayra5118]

@jeannebouwman1970 My son(his name is Abraham, I give him a biblical name) just came out to my mother that he I gay, he is 22 he hasn't been with anyone intimate but is having online communication with a male. I have been praying for him, and I really want him to find God, and if God doesn't accept this, to take it away. I will pray for you, too. May God bless you always. 🙏

[@邓梓薇]

Sex is not love❤️ love is total devotion to each other!

[@pastorbri]

so why do heterosexuals make love if its not love?

[@邓梓薇]

pastor brian the make sex and abandon each other the next day

[@pastorbri]

@@邓梓薇 yes heterosexuals are like that

[@邓梓薇]

pastor brian ok I am confused wether you re being sarcastic

[@pastorbri]

@@邓梓薇 because your calling gay people for what heterosexuals do also, as if its ok when heterosexuals do it.

[@suecullen631]

Sometimes I often think God DID in fact make/made sexual differences to show us that we need to work on love and acceptance as a human race. People who were made homosexual etc...are the very ones HE gave a specific mission to. Just like he made me for my purpose.

[@bensonthepuppy]

God did not make any human being sexually aberrant. Our bodies are not designed to healthily engage sexually with the same sex. Males experience cancers, anal retainage deficiencies, deadly diseases and sterility- and an end to their genetic line. This is aside from the spiritual ramifications. Females the same. God designed us with parts meant to engage with their counterparts of the opposite sex, in marriage. Praise God for such a good gift. May those who struggle with SSA find their way to Jesus.

[@justhair17]

Im not convinced they were made like that tho. Some, maybe. But for a lot, its probably societal influence. It would certainly explain why LGBT people's children are so much more likely to become one as well and would also explain the rapid increase that happened in the last decades

[@BeanBYTESOF]

That what I am thinking, I am ssa, I have a different mission in life compared to someone who may be straight

[@HarryTwoDogs]

"Better our children should suffer greatly than be happy in depraved and alienating ways." C.S. Lewis - The Problem of Pain

[@jaysun2402]

Is it?

[@bradbroadhead6518]

@@jaysun2402 Yes.

[@6Churches]

But is it better that "we cause" our children to suffer greatly for a higher purpose? Because I think you've just invalidated Catholic notions of love, freedom, justice, prudence, charity and conscience. I mean, I can see Chinese state propaganda cutting and pasting this sentence in self-justification.

[@SeanMichaelAfable]

Viewer Discretion you must read CS Lewis’s “The Problem of Pain”. In response to your question whether “we cause”, definitely not to the point of abuse - but disciplining children is extremely important and some suffering is necessary for them (and us) to learn. Here’s another wonderful quote from CS Lewis: “Isn't God supposed to be good? Isn't He supposed to love us? Does God want us to suffer? What if the answer to that question is, 'Yes'"? I suggest to you that it is because God loves us that He [gives] us the gift of suffering. "I'm not sure that God wants us to be happy. I think He wants us to be able to love and be loved. He wants us to grow-up. We think our childish toys bring us all the happiness there is and our nursery is the whole wide world. But something must drive us out of the nursery to the world of others and that something is suffering. "You see, we are like blocks of stone out of which the sculptor carves forms of men. The blows of His chisel, which hurt so much, are what makes us perfect." - C. S. Lewis

[@alt8791]

But the definition of what constitutes as “depraved” is highly subjective, and varies immensely from one culture to the next.

[@beancate]

:,)) i dont know how i will not be a sapphic, but i do know that if being a Catholic sapphic means having to live in celibacy for the rest of my life, then celibacy it is.

[@gma904]

Gurl I’ve come to the same conclusion and I’m hetero. If I don’t get married, which it’s not looking bright, it’s celibacy for life. I’ve seen consequences just aren’t worth it.

[@beancate]

@@gma904 aMEEENNN

[@boisebarbell6098]

Amen Sister! May God’s graces be poured upon you!

[@waltermcnicoll4968]

Wow that’s powerful. My sister is lesbian and she can’t come to terms with the Church because she doesn’t want to see her sexuality as a cross. It’s really comforting to hear that someone out there with that cross is still choosing to put God first. May the Lord bless you and keep you forever friend 😊

[@RealGracefulGoose]

I'm a lesbisn and I became an atheist while ago, but that's damm respectable, choosing God over a love life.

[@Mateo-et3wl]

I'm a gay believer. It's an awful place to be, incredibly lonely. With gay people you're totally out of place, in the church you're just there on the periphery. Either way it's almost impossible to find anything to look forward to in life, knowing you won't have your own family and will probably die alone.

[@justanothersinnersavedbygr7267]

Don't let Satan's lies destroy you...Pray and continue to fight against those urges. Jesus is the Saviour of our Soul not Satan and certainly not being the slave of sin. He knows how much you desire to be free from that bondage, and when you fix your eyes upon Jesus and continue steadfast in his Glory and Grace, you will be Sanctified and cleansed of your sin..You are so loved by God that he gave his only son as a sacrifice for us. Please just keep turning away from sin, there are battles ahead and many battles are lost and you will never see the end of that road while your walking with sin. Turn your eyes upon Jesus, look full in his wonderfull face, and the things of earth will grow faintly dim, in the light of his Glory and Grace...Amen

[@Jedi-cloud]

Exactly and they don’t care! They don’t want us to live! Catholicism is why I almost committed suicide ! They DO NOT CARE! None of them care and now if hell is real I’ll probably be going there because I can’t un gay myself. I’ll Live in suffering and die in suffering and spend my eternity in suffering I am reprobate. I wish I was never born and these people will look at my pain and shrug because they care more about their individual salvation than anything else like someone suffering because of their teachings. Also you don’t have a right to feel angry!

[@FruitBasketyay]

You don't have to die alone. There is plenty of people for everyone out there! You could always adopt if you want kids and surround yourself with tolerant LGBTQ friends. Keep trying your best 👍

[@TheGypsykueen]

If you think you were born like that the Good News is that through Jesus you can be born again! Ask Him to heal you, restore you and make you whole! To hate your sin is the first step, while you love it there's no regret nor redemption 😘 We all have a cross to carry and no sin is better than other in the end... May God help you and have Mercy on us all. Jesus is Lord! He made us and He can remake us again! Believe!

[@crpsewhxre]

@@TheGypsykueen no better love than christian hate lol

[@mellowbot3521]

Homosexuality and alcoholism/cheating are not even comparable, because homosexuality is much more than sexual desire-it’s who you love most intimately, who you want to spend your life with. Something concerning love, one of the most fundamental aspects of being human, can’t be dismissed as an act-it’s much more deeper than that-it’s connection. That connection and relationship is part of one’s identity in a way a habit of cheating or alcoholism cannot ever be.

[@deion312]

Yeah and pedophilia or beastiality can be apart of your identity too. Jesus said to deny yourself pick up your cross and follow him

[@kelseythomson4418]

He's not gay. It's like a dog (no disrespect intended) trying to describe... The rainbow. So, he's doing the best he can. Fact is though, the Pope believes we deserve civil rights as well as the ability to have families.

[@lesliegarcia8041]

You can love a person without being sexually intimate.

[@lesliegarcia8041]

Loving someone of the same sex is entirely plausible, can be felt deeply, no doubt, but sexual relations is solely for a true sacramental marriage as ordained by God, the author of marriage. God alone determines that and the Catholic faith gives us the prescribed way to follow the best we can. Any kind of deviations or stretching to include this or that is treading a dangerous path. But the worst thing is for Catholics, especially Priest and Bishops to go about teaching something other than the prescribed truth as we know it. It would be easy to go the way of free love and sex for all as long as it's with love and meaning, but what the Bible says or Jesus' words are " a hard teaching." His teaching is the hard truth and if we leave the truth, where else do we go?

[@jakubkosz1009]

This Cross is heavier, but it is worth carrying to unite with the Lord

[@anglicanangle7123]

Fr. Mike your passionate heart towards people, and your genuine love for them is a testament to your ministry. Bless you.

[@pastorbri]

but homophobia is still a sin

[@pastorbri]

@Ioannis Stefanakis yes I agree we should call out homophobics as sinners, well said.

[@timsgta]

MIKE IS NOT YOUR FATHER!

[@pastorbri]

@@timsgta well spotted, we have but one father. And who would want a homophobic father anyway!

[@rainbowdashsailormoon6005]

@@pastorbri I am living for your comments. I'm sick of these homophobes. It's why a lot of my friends send my gf left or don't want to join the church because of trauma.

[@jccarriere3719]

At age 8 or 9, when I was praying at my bed side at night, when I finished, I looked up, I saw Jesus. Praying above me, over me, with me.

[@DesignedAssassin]

Delusional, get mental help bro.

[@jccarriere3719]

Hahaha...then you don't believe in Jesus...your problem dude

[@majid7925]

​@@jccarriere3719@jccarriere3719 Honestly, doing some critical thinking about what you know and what you are told to think is good. Fanaticism will make you see Allah, Vishnu, Krishna or any other major deity, but yeah, you see, Jesus, let that sink in. It's 2000 years of Swifty-like absolute brainwashing, and you turned out just perfect.

[@wfemp_4730]

@@jccarriere3719 Why is that a problem?

[@arielwouters5593]

Fr Mike reminds me of what Fulton Sheen said about St Joseph's age and appearance. That he probably wasn't an old man, but rather a young, vigorous and handsome man who decided to give it all to God. Same about the Blessed Virgin. Fr Mike is very inspiring! God bless him!

[@MusicaNLAlma]

have you read Fthr Calloway's consecration to St. Joseph? it touches a lot on this point.

[@daninspiration4064]

I miss Futlon Sheen I wish he was here in today's time to set things straight, no pun intended. With his wisdom he surely can help anyone that questions God or teachings of the church

[@uteme]

@@daninspiration4064 I agree! I watch (his) posted YT videos.

[@thattimestampguy]

1:14 Original Sin 4:05 Experience vs Identity 6:01 Relief and Freedom Meet with positivity vs detached from negativity 9:24 End of pressure 11:04 Respectful Loving Yet Sinful 11:53 12:40 I and Others ‘13:32 Loves Individuals Not Identities 15:38 Teenager shared his same-sex attraction, hugs, it’s not us and them.

[@juliedurden1320]

When my atheist friends ask me how a person is born with original sin I tell them that you have to teach a child to be good, but you don’t have to teach them to be bad. Selfishness is definitely inherent in the human condition. How do I know this? I’m a grandmother! Also Father, I love how you said a person is not based on an experience.

[@andyisdead]

Animals are selfish too. Are they born with original sin?

[@ruuoxi]

but don't we all also have the inherent goodness? that thing inside of us that tells us this is the right thing to do, even no one teaches us. The default internal compass that tells you good and bad. I'd prefer to think a child/ baby is a clean slate, its up to the parents, and the environment to shape how the child would grow. However with original sin concept I feel like all of us started from minus, instead of zero. Which I don't think Its fair.

[@MichaelBohnJr]

1 Timothy 2:12 "I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet." Under the Christian worldview, you, as a woman, can tell me, a man, nothing. Keep quiet; you're literally prohibited from teaching. Stop sinning, Julie. It's what your divine dictator wants.

[@Ежик-з3г]

@@MichaelBohnJr That's so true

[@VanillaButtercreamFrosting]

BS. We are born into duality and we are born with choice. We are not born “bad.”

[@espresso4me]

Well done, gentlemen! May St. Michael give you each a fierce guardian angel to keep you safe😇

[@jlayman89]

On my journey to becoming an atheist I had a conversation with my pastor at the time. Im not homosexual, but the data is in and while sure there may be environmental influences for sexual orientation, but its more biological. Regardless of original sin, or god making the person that way, people can be born homosexual. While asking "why did God make me this way" isn't the best question, the point they are Illuding to is valid. Reguardless if it was gods intention or due to the original sin of another being,, they are this way without a choice. Humans have 2 truly primal drives, survival and sex. While either of these guys may have some struggles, im in doubt either of them struggle with something this deeply engraved in our base psyche. To deem this as immoral is the real question. God never adequately explains why this is considered immoral. I have yet to see how or why it is either. After a bit of back and forth I could tell that he wasn't grasping the point i was trying to make. So I posited this as an example, what if homosexuality was the only way to reproduce and it is what God deemed holy and moral. Now heterosexuality was deemed immoral by God. So your attraction to your wife was deemed wrong and acting on that is a sin. Imagine this and then explain why this is now immoral and a sin? There isn't a real justification for it and the same applies to when we apply this to our current situation. He had no answer to this and after I looked on my own I also found no answer other than "God said so". This, is the crux of the issue for the the theists. Even farther if you want to believe this is some devine will thats fine, youre free to believe this and I have no issue with that so long as you treat others with respect. Where I take issue is legislation that prevents people from marring who they choose. If the state, which was founded on the idea of being separated from religion, can recognize heterosexual marriage it needs to also recognize homosexual marriage. If you personally don't want to recognize it thats also your choice, but to attempt to hold your beliefs to others is not the right path.

[@ravenpuff3290]

This is such a good point, and better than anything said in the video. I have no idea why this has less likes than all of the "pray for me" comments.

[@jlayman89]

@@ravenpuff3290 because its a theist based channel and I doubt many athiests actually view things like this. I dont care about any voting system on a platform like this though. Its far from a metric of whats right. Also from my experience as a theist and being around them genuine challenges to their beliefs are often immediately met with resentment naturally and not intentionally. So its dismissed before being considered because it goes against God and thats not possible to be right.

[@mariokestler5390]

I think it comes to the premise that sex's main purpose is the survival of the animal species by sexual reproduction. Homosexual sex doesn't bear offspring, therefore, it's only purpose is for sexual gratification and pleasure (sometimes deemed egotistical and selfish, just like masturbation, in church). Morality is subjective though... and it may have been different back in that time, than it is now. These days people can do whatever they want with their bodies, but christianity says to be warned, for we will be held accountable for the care we gave our bodies.

[@jlayman89]

@@mariokestler5390 then any sexual action that isnt with the intent to bear offspring is wrong? Even within the confines of heterosexual marriage?

[@mariokestler5390]

@@jlayman89 Biblically speaking, intercourse was meant exclusively for marriage which was the union of a man and a woman, GIVEN the result of the act itself (bearing offspring, taking care and raising it until adulthood). Even in marriage, certain practices and rules took place, for example, not having sex with women on their periods, or men with nocturnal emissions (ejaculation). Masturbation, I think, was also a no-no, due to the ejaculating factor for men, deeming them impure, and for women I'm not sure what repercussions masturbating brought. So, it's not that sex was meant only for the conception of babies, but because that's the effect that coitus brings, and with that, the responsibilities of parenting in a Bible-structured family. Not that there weren't exceptions, but that's the original 'natural' biblical way. In the times of the Bible, researchers concluded that certain diseases could already be transmitted sexually, so I would think all the DOs and DON'Ts of sex were mostly health precautions, but IDRK 🤷🏻‍♂️. I only stated that homosexual sex may have been catalogued as an immoral act because it goes against God's original design for anatomy and reproductive phyisilogy, which is that sexual intercourse happens between male and female genitalia, and in the boundaries of marriage, so that the effects of sex (offspring) would be taken care of by the progenitors of the child. Just in case it's not implied, this is an opinion anyone can disagree with. I'm not telling anyone what to believe or not. I'm just pointing out why would it be unlikely for heterosexual sex be looked as immoral, contrary to homosexual sex, in regards of the hypothetical case shown above. It doesn't show my personal views, which are that anyone could do with their own bodies what they want, and that parenting is not exclusively a heterosexual task in these times. EDIT: I would also like to add (if this was the main focus of your question), that some acts like oral or anal sex within marriage, that the Bible doesn't speak of, and have no offspring-creating purposes I would also deem as immoral for "not following the instructions manual", because neither the mouth nor the rectum were designed biologically for sexual penetration, BUT 1) That's my personal opinion (not that I live by it anyway). 2) Anything related to what you can or can't do in your married sex life is between you, your spouse and God. Ask Him if it is permitted. If anyone should have the answer, it's Him.

[@BBL_Fam]

Appreciate Matt’s insights in the interviews, but would have liked to hear more from Fr. Mike, with Matt stepping back and listening a bit more. Thanks for this content and broaching this difficult topic, Matt!

[@pchemist]

This question has already been answered by science. Sexuality can be affected by a number of factors, genetic and environmental, but it's not a choice. It is biological.

[@Acaykath]

He said sex was a choice, not sexuality. You have thousands of urges every day, and it is your choice to act on them. That is the corruption of sin, and you can act on the urges, like stealing from a store, cheating on your wife, lying to your boss, etc... But, even if it is pleasurable to act on those urges, it does not mean that acting on those urges is right. Similarly, if someone acts on those urges, it doesn't turn it into an 'us vs them scenario', but a 'we all have our crosses to bear' scenario. We have to understand that we all want to do things that are not good, sometimes we resist temptation, sometimes we purposefully avoid temptation, and sometimes we allow it to control us. It is not expected for us to not be tempted, or even perfect at resisting temptation, but we should not encourage sinful behaviours, nor should we reject people who have given in to temptation. However, when someone tells us that they are a sinner, and we MUST affirm that their sin is GOOD, we must disagree. We can all agree that sinful behaviours are natural. But, Natural does not mean good. As intelligent beings, we can choose to act against these natural inclinations and we do so every day. We have all sinned and fall short of the glory of God, but he will not give us a cross too difficult for us to bear.

[@jjbot4763]

Michael Dawson Why is it that specifically homosexual sex is bad? What reason can you give me that it is immoral other than because the Bible says so? It’s not fair to equate sex between two adults as a crime like stealing or a harmful act like cheating. I will ask you one question, if god came down to earth today and told everyone that heterosexual acts would be sinful do you think it would be fair that you would never get to embrace your wife or husband ever again because it’s deemed “sinful” for no reason? I would say no but if you disagree I guess I couldn’t do anything to stop you.

[@juliag6552]

but homosexuality isn't solely about sex, a same sex couple could feel strong true love just as a straight couple could.

[@jasonpajski9559]

@@juliag6552 Yes, but live and sexual attraction are two different things. Loving someone of the same sex doesn't make you homosexual; being sexually attracted to someone of the same sex does.

[@thomasrcaffrey8872]

Enjoyed much of the discussion; but brother Matt's frequent interruptions, to either make a point or complete Fr Mike's thought, made further enjoyment difficult. Recommend a pad and pencil, to record those thoughts and return to them. I say this with respect, absent any malice and overall gratitude for Matt's work.

[@pastorbri]

point is homophobia is the real sin

[@johnnyamerica4336]

I agree. It was very distracting, which turned into frustration, which caused me to turn it off.

[@johnnyamerica4336]

@@pastorbri - Brian, stop distorting TRUTH.

[@pastorbri]

@@johnnyamerica4336 is this what u will tell God? GOOD LUCK THERE.

[@johnnyamerica4336]

@@pastorbri - maybe YOU will tell God what the “real sins are”, I won’t be telling God ANYTHING and until the day I stand in His presence, I will follow Gods Word, the Bible.

[@sttropez7551]

They say that they are not self righteous but what they say about people show otherwise. 12:12 just threw me off. They always put emphasis on sex, that love's physical manifestation is all about the genitalia "fitting" on the other and reproducing. I was so religious back then but felt untrue and not free. I'm 21 and a gay girl. Never felt truer and free from simply acknowledging that. I dont count myself as religious anymore but I still talk to God and even more honest now.

[@See-if_I_care]

That Matt guy called that priest out for always referencing something negative and equating it to being gay. Religious people are so mean and homophobic, yet preach about love.

[@dan69052]

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[@Steven9567]

@@See-if_I_care homo preach love but its not true either

[@GeoffreyChilesTV]

@@See-if_I_care That’s because love is both emotional AND physical, giving AND sacrificing. You’re not contributing to society, being healthy, being selfless, or procreation. SSA and homosexuality has some attributes of those things, but it’s an inverted version. Turned inward. It’s lust at that point and is sheer selfishness or spite.

[@See-if_I_care]

@@GeoffreyChilesTV What the hell are you talking about ?

[@phylk4683]

I think this conversation is one of the most important conversations we can have in the world today amount religious ppl. I get frustrated listening to this two talk about this and the reason why? - because neither are gay. I’m very happy in this conversation for Matt Fradd to interject and point out the err in Fr Mikes thought process. Sometimes I wonder what it is ppl think being gay means and I’d love for these to men to sit and discuss that… for example what has being gay got to do with having sex? Maybe I don’t want to have sex with another gay person but I know I am gay. What about as a child I knew I was gay and as much as I did feel shame about being gay I never felt that shame as a child… in fact growing up I learnt where adults were not accepting and comfortable with me being myself around them. Having to constantly fix myself in my life in unnatural ways so that I didn’t make adults think I was gay or that way inclined. I was a child of 5 knowing this about myself. And more importantly why would God create an innocent child in that way and have them inclined towards being gay… very gay. If the church asks gay ppl to be so disciplined with their sexuality than heterosexual ppl; then what place in religion does that put gay ppl? Are we to be celibate? Are we to be priests? Should we have our own order of spiritual endeavor? Like convents and monasteries for gay religious? If we’re serious about our faith than can we actually keep believing that God creates ppl homosexual in order to make young kids hide who they are, suffer the torments of coming out and a life of never actualizing your wants when everyone else doesn’t have to worry about that. Did God create a divide in human nature like this on purpose?

[@cheeto9525]

I wonder that too. And just like you, although I'm not gay, it annoys me that most heteros are hypocrites who demand you to remain single but they can't drink their own cup of bitter wine they offer you. Make them stay single and they'd be crying from loneliness. Once again, you're just as human, if they can't drink the cup they expect you to take, maybe they should rethink their beliefs and stop being so ignorant. I'm aromantic and I don't understand attraction much beyond aesthetic, but imagine me being dumb enough to tell heteros "Don't marry, ignore your desires and remain single because Paul says those who do serve the Lord better". See how ridiculous that looks when you apply it to reality? Well that's how they look to me, because they are ignorant.

[@seekerhonest]

Well I am gay, I want and will marry my same sex partner, we have sex and we will have surrogate kids. HERE SOME SCIENTIFIC FACTS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY: + The WHO, World Health Organization, stated clearly, that homosexuality not a disease or disorder, but a healthy natural sexual orientation. + It is most likely innate (determined by SNP in several genes and by antibodies (NLGN4Y) during pregnancy), as the opposite sex is never sexual attractive to people born homosexual. + Evolution scientists stated in several publications, that homosexuality exists since sexuality exists, since 385 million years. + They also stated, that having homosexual members in the own tribe, gives several evolutionary advantages, which explains the permanent share of 4-10% homosexuals of the population. >> So, the question would be rather: why putting an ethical limit on homosexuality if its natural, healthy and even with a natural sense? >> Especially now as more and more homosexuals marry and adopt and raise kids that else wise would have no parents.

[@dan69052]

truth If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace

[@phylk4683]

@@dan69052​​⁠thank you this is a very beautiful response to my question. I do believe in the soul and in a high power. I do find a lot of that belief is not endorsed by science nor rational reason either. But that’s what’s beautiful about spirituality - it’s also the reason why spirituality is not something that can be contained within rules but the merits of my beliefs I believe would be compassion, love, mercy, forgiveness, and peace. These are things that are not really considered tools, or logical answers to issues. Thanks for your response - I don’t believe sexuality can be a sin either - I had no knowledge of it being a sin but knew I was gay from a young age.

[@phylk4683]

⁠@Lorena-ic9gsdo you think God is responsible for men and women being attracted to each other? Do you think pedophiles choose to be attracted to minors? Do you think all men or women want to have children? Is there a difference between pedophiles attraction to minors than there is to consenting adults? Do you think God is responsible for some child born one gender and by the age of 12 naturally become the opposite gender (see guevedoces and BBC research). Do you think God created a soul that is sexual at all? You think God is a male or a female? Regarding taking pleasure of torturing others - do you take pleasure telling others God doesn’t approve of them? Whats your motivation… you think Gods love is judging others or telling others they aren’t welcome? You think that’s Christian or compassionate?

[@AndrewKendall71]

This protestant (living in a community all too enamored with "identitarian" politics) is extremely compelled and inspired by such a complete, mature, and Christlike explanation and conversation. Thankful for you and for this conversation.

[@avantelvsitania3359]

God bless you and guide you through the right path!

[@robertaiudi6521]

He was born that way too. Just sayin

[@AndrewKendall71]

@@robertaiudi6521 I don't follow what you're saying.

[@sonialorris]

@@TheWorldTeacher I would rather say the very opposite. It is time for the world to come back to God, and understand that a world led by "men willings" is soon going to be destroyed. Just look around you.

[@sonialorris]

@@TheWorldTeacher is it better to be God servant or satan slave?

[@bananewane1402]

“I have an inclination to cheat on my wife” Woah there buddy

[@CantusTropus]

I'm pretty sure he means that he feels the *desire* to do so. That's a perfectly normal human thing, he merely resists it because it's wrong to do that.

[@bananewane1402]

CantusTropus Idk man it’s normal to find other people attractive while you’re in a relationship but if you’re constantly fighting the urge to cheat on your partner that signals a problem to me.

[@AN-cr9cy]

It was more like he was listing examples that have to do with “feelings” or “tendencies” that do not give the license to act on them, not necessarily saying he himself feels all of those things.

[@bananewane1402]

Emma Scheuerman How can an inclination to cheat (something that harms your partner) be compared to an inclination to being in a relationship with someone you love who happens to be the same sex as you (something that harms NOBODY)?

[@bananewane1402]

Devyn Stewart Essentially, morality is about taking the path that minimises suffering.

[@es8059]

It's not always about identity. If someone is a blind person, it's not their "identity" to be blind, but we and they still refer to them as blind. The descriptor does limit some vocational choices for both populations. All are called to chastity - even blind straight people.

[@VideoMask93]

@David Russell Blind people are certainly in the Bible, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

[@es8059]

@David Russell No, I did not cite the Bible. Nor did you. Hence your comment is not Biblical. How about try using your God-given brains?

[@erinsymone1645]

Yes thank you for saying this. People against "identity politics" seem to forget this line of thinking. Even when it comes to things like race and gender! I don't "identify" as black I just AM black lol. I don't "identify" as a woman, I AM an adult human female. I get frustrated when people refer to the material reality of my existence as "identity politics" or identitarianism. It's like, sorry for having melanin? Sorry for being female? I don't understand why describing reality accurately is seen as a "divisive" crime to so many people these days. How is me existing as black and female dividing us? What's the point of having these descriptive words if we don't actually want to use them? Sorry for the rant I just had to let that out!

[@pastorbri]

but we are not ALL called to chastity.......otherwise the population would stop. Sex is not a sin!

[@es8059]

@@pastorbri I don't think you understand what chastity means. Look it up.

[@skippingseconds]

I mean, I was born liking men, as soon as I realised what "liking" someone romantically was, so here's an example that people can be born gay

[@ravenclaw783]

Telling gay Christians to live a life of celibacy is one thing, but making the claim they weren't born that way is a bit much. If they're not born that way, then you are insinuating they choose to have same sex attraction. It sounds to me like, priest or no priest, just another straight person making hasty assumptions about things they clearly know nothing about.

[@meditation4632]

Thank you

[@UrSisterinChrist12]

@@ravenclaw783 Yes, thank you, ik that they have good intentions. And I am a person who does think it's a sin but there always acting like just the temptation within itself is a sin, Wich isn't the case for any other sin. 🙁

[@briannewojtowicz4218]

may i ask exactly when you *chose* to be straight?

[@gem6105]

To overcome homosexuality

[@gem6105]

Amen Matt! God Bless you :)

[@creedc1000]

The lifestyle is a choice since it's a behavior.

[@pastorbri]

homophobia sadly is a choice and they made it

[@johnpetkos5686]

@Matt Carelli I'm really sorry for you. You are a true victim of religion's gruesome rejection of all that is natural. I strongly recommend you to read Nietzsche's "Antichrist" - it may open your eyes to the point of truly saving your life

[@mchristr]

"There's a difference between relief and freedom." That is so good. The deepest truths in our lives are not often emotionally confirmed. Living authentically is far more holistic and involves a daily struggle.

[@pastorbri]

homophobics seem to have the worst struggle to fight their own hate

[@134t7]

@@pastorbri Well, people who hate and despise others in general struggle most with their own hate.

[@pastorbri]

@@134t7 which is why homophobia is a sin.....

[@Grokford]

If you have to struggle to be something, you’re not that. If you’re struggling to be something worthy then okay the struggle might be worth it. You have to struggle to be a good person or a doctor because you’re not already a good person or a doctor. But you can not struggle to be authentic to yourself.

[@Steven9567]

@@pastorbri no it isn't

[@drgaryb13]

Why is there alcohol on the table?

[@monicafloreani5487]

Even the term "inelegant" is elegant and eloquent, Fr. Mike. You're a uniting source of clarity and understanding for all who listen to you. Thank you.

[@KitKat-bv4vt]

I love how they like to say love and sex should be together (which in a relationship yes it should be) but when it comes to gay and bi people thats when they say the sex cannot be an expression of love.

[@KitKat-bv4vt]

@Charles so why can't anyone whose married express love through sex even if they both same gender? People choose parts of the bible that make sense. In guessing you don't approve of slavery (which yes is in new testament) so you don't approve of that part of the bible so why the homophobic stuff. And the bible doesn't say "one man and one women". Im guessing you don't approve of polygamy either?

[@KitKat-bv4vt]

@Charles also straight men and women have the chance to express sexual love once they are married. They have that choice. Imagine being told you can never express that type of love. Easy saying don't do it if you yourself are gonna be able to express that love one day and they never can.

[@KitKat-bv4vt]

@Charles I suggest watching "love is all you need" movie on youtube (full movie is better but they did short film few years before it) even if don't agree will give you better understanding on where other side is coming from. Everyone benefits if we understand each other because I do understand where you are coming from.

[@kadeshswanson3991]

You brought up a good question. To which I think more questions need to be asked. If you don't mind what purposes does sex fullfill?

[@genevieveohmer223]

@@kadeshswanson3991 Sex is a unification of love where 1 man and 1 woman become one to create life. If God had intended for homosexuality to be okay, normal and rejoiced, God would have made it possible for two men and two women to have sex and be able to procreate.

[@adeodata6364]

💜 Makes me think of a spiritual director/confessor I had, who during confession used to say, often, "see how WE are... See how we are...“?... It was really" us" and he sometimes cried with me, as if recognizing he was just as as sinful,in need of grace and forgiven. It was always an amazing experience. I never forgot 😊

[@rosemuller1518]

Wow!

[@Fedayeen77]

Catholicism is messed up. Who gave this person you are speaking to and "confessing" your sins to the authority to do anything ket alone forgive you?? So messed up...

[@JBplumbing12]

@@Fedayeen77 Re. "Catholicism is messed up. Who gave this person you are speaking to and "confessing" your sins to the authority to do anything ket alone forgive you?? So messed up..." The authority and duty to forgive is in every human soul who becomes a Christian. Forgiveness is love regardless and is the essential teaching of Christianity. All Christians are repeatedly encouraged in our bible to forgive one another as God forgives us, for our forgiveness of each other is an extension or passing on of God's forgiveness. That is why we are forgiven by God as we forgive others, for God's forgiveness only flows through our self when we forgive others. As we forgive, so we are forgiven. This is all in our bible. Forgiveness heals both the forgiver and the forgiven; it heals our self, and each other, and our relationships. There is no no resentment, no grudgefulness, no shame, no hurt, where there is forgiveness. For those who know them, regret and shame are the worst of human feelings. Worse even than loneliness, for loneliness cuts us off from others, but regret and shame not only cut us off from others but also from our own conscience, from our own self. Conscience grating in the soul is an awful thing. Why would we leave someone to suffer such anguish when we can relieve them. Forgiveness gives relief to troubled souls. As regret and shame are the worst of human feelings, so forgiveness with its power to relieve is the greatest service we can provide for one another. Love is a heartfelt wish that another's suffering be minimal, and forgiveness is that part of love that enables us to love everyone, that enables us to love in all directions, that gives us no excuse not to love, for it enables us to love even those who hate us and who would harm us, it enables us to be kind to all, to be lenient and merciful. Forgiveness is the greatest power for good that our hearts can wield. Jesus gave his life teaching and demonstrating for us the power of love-forgiveness, and our church and our priests continue to teach and practice confession and forgiveness, so that we may love each other regardless, and relieve each other of regret and shame, heal each other and heal our relationships. And what we learn and practice in church we endeavour to practice in life with others, with family, friends, neighbours, work colleagues, and with those who dislike us. Naturally we frequently fail to live up to the standards of our Lord, we let our self down, and people may call us hypocrites, they rubbish us, and mock us, they call us messed up (as you did), but we persevere because we are Christians, because we are committed with the help of faith and prayer to being as loving/forgiving towards our fellow man and women as we can be.

[@mikefran1992]

​@@Fedayeen77 if you're against Christianity then why would you even listen to this? 😂

[@jmgoforth5997]

@@JBplumbing12 beautifully said

[@shinnyboi2159]

Dog I’m gay and I was specifically told I shouldn’t watch Matt Fradd and after seeing this, I don’t agree with his all his beliefs but he’s so nice and respectful about it that I can’t fault him for it.

[@hoofixrman]

This life is nothing but a test in exile. Im praying for you.

[@lorenzolozzigallo2589]

God makes no mistake... He has a plan for you. Just don’t fight against Him - and He shall lead you to the light. I’ll pray for you.

[@porterp]

@@hoofixrman ahhahahahh

[@nycmatt86]

@@lorenzolozzigallo2589 you can't force us to change that makes you homophobic and ignorant. Stop denying your sexuality!

[@eh4306]

@@nycmatt86 no one's forcing you to change. Maybe listen to the video again. It's not about trying to change who you are. We are all flawed and have struggles. It's about recognizing what God wants for you may not be what you're attracted to..self denial is a great virtue.

[@harmonygordon6901]

Thank you Matt Fradd for your shows. This discussion with Fr. Mike is kind and Christian and beautiful. I have been binge watching the Matt Fradd chanel. Its uplifting to my heart to see the profound Christian love on this chanel. Excellent Catholic content. TRUE Catholicism! Thank you.

[@Luke-warm-milk]

@Big Dick Black I genuinely couldn’t agree more, it’s naive people like this that just act like homophobia is something so innocent and isn’t the main reason why people have the problems they do nowadays. I personally believe that God created the two main genders and all the different gender identities he knew what would happen even before it happened, all the different genders had already existed, we just needed time to figure out what they were and from then on we could name them.

[@Johnbrowningmusic]

For a second I thought hat that one guy was drinking vodka 🤣🤣🤣

[@soleilm3866]

He is hahahahaha

[@ronmexico2011]

What?! Is there something wrong with vodka and religion?!? Ben you sound vodka-phobic!!! Lol 😂 I a big fan!!! Shalom

[@shannas7516]

Me too.

[@mr.person4050]

I thought you were actually Ben Shapiro for a sec lol

[@BoSS-dw1on]

Me too then I saw it was actually holy water... which some may say vodka is :-)

[@ceci843]

IM SCREAMING we watch fr. mike schmitz videos all the time for theology class at my school and now this is in my recommended... i’m a lesbian... i think my school is trying to tell me something 💀💀💀

[@ceci843]

Gary Williams this was really interesting! your book sounds fascinating, ill definitely have to check it out sometime.

[@bobct9583]

@De St no such thing as LGBTQAZ ppl....I'll pray for your conversion 😘

[@shankz8854]

@@bobct9583 that which is asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.

[@alt8791]

God _damn._ I am _so_ sorry. Bail! Bail! Bail! Get out! Run from this ridiculous fairy tale!

[@alt8791]

Shankz PREACH

[@jamis2031]

I have a question are people born heterosexual?

[@dan69052]

this should help If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace

[@spaynneuter]

Father Mike, regarding the “us and them” thing: Ain’t it grand when the world and society work exactly like they ought? The reality is, though, that there has been “us and them” since before there were Homo Sapiens. I am a white, heterosexual female, a senior citizen who has been loved and cared for all my life. It would be so easy to say exactly what you said and, if you will, pay lip service to someone else’s life; but that is not reality and never has been. Even in our parish, our wonderful parish, there is an English speaking Community and an Hispanic community. We both do all we can to bring everybody together; but people feel more comfortable with others who speak the same language, who enjoy the same food and culture, who share similar experiences. Honestly, the evangelization going on in the Hispanic community puts the rest of us to shame. Those guys are on fire, bringing in their friends and relatives and neighbors. Neither you nor I can ever understand what it’s like to be black, Hispanic, gay, autistic, Jewish, abused and unloved, etc. There has to be a better way of addressing these issues than telling people that they have to subscribe to “can’t we all just be friends and do it my way (because I’m right and you’re not)?“

[@johnjohng668]

Praised be to Jesus, sister in Christ. You got it down RIGHT 🙏🏻🕊💕

[@poetlover30]

That's the message you get from gay people is that they do just want us all to get along. I loved the way Father Mike puts it though. It's important for people who struggle with this to be accepted & loved - Yes, of course but for who you are or for what you do? Which ties into their discussion of not associating your experience with your identity for those are 2 very different things.

[@josephmurray3775]

Amen, Sister! You've got it!

[@cleancutmex]

I love this comment, specially coming from a senior citizen, perhaps this lady experienced those days when blacks were rejected and discriminated. I worked in many parishes where I used to ministry to the Hispanic community, I heard and experienced racism coming from members of the Catholic Church in this time of age. I didn't understand why the discrimination nor their actions when the church preaches that we are "one faith, one body". I am glad in your community is more incorporated. Now as an ex-catholic priest rejected by my own sinful inclinations proclaimed by the Catholic Church that being gay is a sin and will suffer eternal damnation, I felt the need to leave that toxic and hypocritical environment because I didn't feel welcomed not even loved. My only desired was to fulfill the commandment of love that Jesus himself left to us. Discrimination to the LGTBQ community is a discrimination to the commandment of LOVE. I feel it is important that if you believe about what you believe live it for yourself as much as you can, do not impose your believes unto other people. At the end God will be the judge for our own actions and ask us how we did: 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' Matthew 24:25.

[@ceci843]

ma’am you are SO right, god bless 🥺💗

[@tonycarey1735]

Sexual orientation is not a 'want', it's not a 'lifestyle choice', it's not part of our 'fallen nature' and it no more 'disordered' than left-handedness (which also used to be severely discriminated against) or having green eyes. If you truly befriended a person who has a same-sex orientation, you'd know that they were born this way. It manifested in them from a young age; it is just as much who they are as the sexual orientation you take for granted in yourself. This is not denying that a same-sex orientation can lead to bad, sinful decisions -- just as opposite-sex orientation can lead to bad decisions -- but your desire for a 'wholistic' relationship with a person of same-sex orientation is distorted from the start if you trivialise something so central to who they are.

[@beewithab6122]

There is NO EVIDENCE that they're born that way. Yeah now 20% of Gen Z is identifying as lgbstwbjdj at a time when it is constantly celebrated throughout the culture. This itself proves that its just a lifestyle.

[@FruitBasketyay]

Well said friend

[@FruitBasketyay]

@@beewithab6122 did you know that when being left handed became less frowned upon the way also an increase in left handed people? An article talks about some research that talks about this "Do Left Handed People Die Young?" By Alex Tabarrok. So is being left handed a life choice? You could think that or it could be the more likely reason: when stigma declines people tend to be more true to who they are and stop hiding because there is less fear from social alienation. It just makes sense ! 😊 Is the same for LGBTQ prominence in younger generations

[@beewithab6122]

@@FruitBasketyay 20% of the gen z? I'm not dumb to believe that.

[@FruitBasketyay]

@@beewithab6122 why not? Any study show that we can't have 20% of the population not be heterosexual?

[@sonofppio139]

‪“IT IS SHE whom one should imitate and come close to. We should become hers, become her. Behold the peak of PERFECTION IN MAN." +St. Maximilian Maria Kolbe‬, ora pro nobis

[@jimarichard]

This is a beautiful example of people with different opinions can converse to understand each other. Well done.

[@thoughtfulpilgrim1521]

This is an excellent conversation! Great job gentlemen!

[@Bros60]

Former homosexual with Aids here. I was not born gay. I have a miraculous conversion story out of homosexuality and the church has restricted me from telling my story which could possible help those with SSA.

[@zayan6284]

I dont buy it...

[@Dagger_323]

Zayan Watchel you have not even heard this person’s story, and you prematurely pass judgement. Not wise.

[@zayan6284]

@@Dagger_323 he said the church has restricted him from telling a story that cured his homosexuality, which is bullshit and not how anything works.

[@alt8791]

Zayan Watchel agreed. Mr Sale, I implore you to tell your story. First amendment, people. First amendment.

[@peteraschaffenburg1]

@@Dagger_323 There are three parts in his comment wich makes me think he is lying. 1. "Former" Homosexual - I honestly doubt that. He might believe he can pray his SSA away though ... 2. He says he has AIDS. His comment was written 5 months ago. In civilized countries people haven´t had AIDS in 15 years. I hope - set aside the religious issues - the USA is a civilized country. He would have said he is HIV+. There´s a difference. A University proffessor complained that young doctors nowadays wouldn´t even recognize AIDS symptoms because they haven´t seen actual patients with full blown AIDS. 3. The Church restricted? What church? Highly suspicious ;-)

[@JadranDan]

"It's not you vs me. It's us" as long as you're shamed into being exactly like me. Sorry, I came here with an open mind but I just can't buy this.

[@JadranDan]

@@reliableandrew So you're basically saying that you're engaging a war against people "such as myself" (because you know everything about me, don't you?) but "compassionately", and people "such as myself" should even be thankful because you're not directly encouraging violence. Can't you see how this is contradictory?

[@alt8791]

@@reliableandrew nice no true scotsman fallacy you've got goin on there.

[@Enjouchi]

​@@reliableandrew You came across very condescending and not compassionate in the least bit. If that wasn't your intention then I suggest that you reflect on how you approach this topic. Our responsibility as disciples of Christ is to love, accept, and draw people into community with God. By intimidating people by saying that if "they choose to war with us we will not back down" is further separating "them" from "we" and doing the complete opposite of teachings of the Catholic Church. You are putting your soul in jeopardy just so you can make a point in the comment section of a youtube video. God bless you and hope this message puts you on the right path.

[@MrKry]

Being gay doesn't require anyone's compassion, it just requires religious people to realize their view of the cosmos is one-sided and extremely poor, doesn't encompass the variety of experience in God's creation, and is therefore, not actually in line with the creator. Be compassionate with yourself and realize that all religion and theology is only an attempt to understand God, never an actual definitive answer.

[@clairelohn2309]

Miranda Perez beautifully written!

[@mamabear000]

I'm getting so much out of this, thank you both for this conversation. It's definitely hard for those who face this, praying for all🙏

[@Grokford]

It's not hard to be gay, it's hard to suffer abuse at the hands of homophobes.

[@dan69052]

truth If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace

[@dan69052]

If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Research has shown that major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin since there is no choice offered. The fetus has no willful acceptance. However, if your religion or belief system states that it is a sin, then there can be no discussion. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. Facts are irrelevant. This is your only choice which doesn’t include options & exceptions. If the rules say it is a sin, So be it. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality or religion, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology & superstition with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression as well in the animal kingdom. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book & the numerous articles. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both determined by genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace

[@annathomas8569]

Watching from Trinidad and Tobago. Luv it. I subscribed for more

[@maddyt3137]

I really appreciate the fact that you sort of debate both sides of the argument and play devils advocate and really seem to consider the issue you’re discussing

[@pastorbri]

which is odd they don't see homophobia as the real sin

[@hannah-rg9uj]

I understand that we need to identify all together as one people, just as Fr mike said about ‘othering’ , but I feel like it kinda leads into the same conversation as ‘we’re all the same race. The human race’ which I think can be hurtful. A black man a white man are both part of the human race but there are struggles that a black man has been through that a white man wont experience. The question I have is that if you can’t identify as gay then can you identify as anything. Homosexual, white, black, disabled etc. ? I don’t think any of the things aside from saying your an addict or identifying with a mental illness or trauma you’ve been through is bad. Everything that makes you different can be something your proud of.

[@shankz8854]

@ disabilitea We should be aiming for a more inclusive, less divided global community that breaks down the superficial barriers that divide us. I agree with you that in doing this we must be careful not to down play the issues and the struggles that different minorities experience in a variety of life's facets. Having said that, I don't think saying we're all part of the same race should ever be hurtful unless it is clearly being used to de-legitimize genuine racial prejudice. In biology, I'm not aware that there is consensus on whether there is enough genetic variation in humans to categorise by race. That being said, we have clearly identified differences within ourselves leading to prejudices that must be acknowledged if they are to be defeated.

[@BornOnThursday]

I think things the descriptors of our physical description should not divide us as a people, these things are minor. I feel we are more divided by how people think and how that leads them to see the world. We have to learn how to communicate with one another, but this is a challenge because there are so many languages and I dont mean English, Spanish, Italian, etc. I mean how we speak, how we describe, what those words mean to us personally. Look at the weird faith, love, good, evil; those words mean different things to different people. And, when it comes to things like mental illness and the assortment of disorders, we should be striving to understand. We cannot cure these things, we must adapt, and become better for it. As you said, a more inclusive society. I feel we've got a lot of work to do. More people need to be honest, more ideas need to be challenged; we cannot live in ignorant bliss. Unfortunately, I don't know the solution. For me, it's been a personal journey. I decide to challenge myself. I do it everyday, with every thought. Even now, I want to delete this and re-write this, but I've done that several times already. The only thing I have tried is challenging others by asking them questions, but the defense mechanisms they use are habitual and they don't usually recognize them. There are so many people on Earth and many perpetuate prejudice, rely on fallacies they don't seem to be aware of, and go generations carrying on traditions that are often ritualistic and often outdated. I don't know if it will ever change the way I want it to, heck, all the people who talk like me could be killed due to some "new" way of life becoming popular and the extreme becoming the norm; people are always looking for a good cause.

[@True_Heretic]

What a beautiful comment.

[@AA-gf6kz]

My homosexual friends were convinced that I was hiding my inclinations. They suggested that I was also gay because I didn't fit their stereotype of a man, wasn't interested in sports, was sensitive, etc. I was dating girls at the time, and they thought I was cheating on myself. Today I have a wife, children and no homosexual episodes in my life, except for friendships with people who demand tolerance, but really want everyone to be like them.

[@dan69052]

If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace need to hide Read non

[@kuba2ve]

"My homosexual friends were convinced that I was hiding my inclinations."

[@dan69052]

If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Research has shown that major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin since there is no choice offered. The fetus has no willful acceptance. However, if your religion or belief system states that it is a sin, then there can be no discussion. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. Facts are irrelevant. This is your only choice which doesn’t include options & exceptions. If the rules say it is a sin, So be it. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality or religion, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology & superstition with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression as well in the animal kingdom. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book & the numerous articles. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both determined by genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace

[@feelsrestricted8322]

Fmri’s show that the same channels of attraction light up in the brain in gay men(when shown homosexual sexual content) and straight men(who were shown heterosexual sexual content). There is also a strong link between lower amounts of testosterone during pregnancy and being gay. Witness all the other animals on earth engaging in homosexual behaviors. Science is on the side that homosexuality is natural. Not to mention the serious mental health issues that arise when you repress your sexuality as an adult. It’s your life, make your own decisions. Also understand that people choose their own religion, so “God’s authority” may just be your own ideas that you are assigning to a higher power. I am advocating that people put a greater effort to think for themselves.

[@stymiedagain]

*[FeelsRestricted]* - You say that homosexuality in nature exists and it proves that homosexuality is “natural”. Does any of that homosexual behaviour result in reproduction, or is it heterosexual behaviour which ensures the survival of the species and without which a species would go extinct? No heterosexual sex - no species survival. That’s what’s natural. If anything, you are actually making an argument for why bisexuality is natural and not why exclusive homosexuality is natural.

[@alt8791]

@@stymiedagain that's why homosexual individuals aren't the majority, genius.

[@drm7552]

This is the one point I have the most difficult time with. The analogies here presume that gay people don't experience urges to smoke or watch porn or whatever, and therefore can't tell the difference between those types of urges and their inherent wiring. Science even shows us that so much happens in the womb that influences gender - it is not only related to the genitalia. Is it possible that substance and accident also happen in humans? I think there is so much that we really don't know in our limited capacity. I love my church, but I have such a hard time reconciling this with both Catholic theology and with science. Faith and reason. I do appreciate that Fr. Mike acknowledged that they have to be careful about not coming across like they are talking about people who aren't part of the conversation, and creating an "us and them."

[@seansswamp]

DRM you can only be saved by grace alone, only Jesus can save you, you can’t do it it yourself. If you sin it’s okay we all do, ask God to forgive you and make you strong, have faith in God because you can’t save yourself no matter how hard you try, if you live a “sinless” life you won’t make it to heaven, but if you live a life in CHRIST alone you do. Preach the gospel, if you sin it’s okay, ask God to forgive you because he knows you can’t save yourself only threw him. God loved you, I love You❤️🙏🏾

[@Pinkchickenx_x]

I completely agree

[@pastorbri]

its because homophobics tend to lie

[@helenarosno]

same. I'm Catholic, but I have a lot of friends who are lgbtq+ and preaching to them does nothing but hurt them and push them away. It's such a confusing time for everyone in my friend group, non of us really knows what to believe, but we all know that we love and accept each other. I often make jokes about how the devil will have to snatch them from my cold dead hands himself lol. I want all of us to end up in heaven and it breaks my heart that something that makes my friends so happy and free can inevitably get them sent to Hell and that I will be sent to Hell as well for supporting them.

[@pastorbri]

@@helenarosno and all because homophobia is a sin and yet many religious people push this as some sort of homophobic agenda......love is not confusing as love is not a sin. Never was.

[@fullahel453]

Fr. Mike is always awesome, thoughtful and illuminates perspective brilliantly!

[@erikw3105]

At 16:10 what's the confessions of a gay Catholic that Matt mentions? I'm interested in reading it

[@jakestroll6518]

Both sides of this argument is annoying. Live your own life and 1) don't tell others how to live theirs by threatening them with your magical sky king or 2) don't turn who you love into an identity. Peace to all.

[@ScreamingReel500]

The question is "If you can live with someone on an island for the rest of your life and being happy, who would that be?". Answer: Jesus Christ.

[@imiguifurr]

answer: me

[@quinn7408]

Answer: I choose death bc I hate people

[@azureocean8]

1. Most amazing explanation ever. 2. I thought that was a vodka bottle.

[@gma904]

I did too! 🤣🤣 I was like dang, he’s bold !

[@See-if_I_care]

I did not understand what the priest said. He was talking in circles.

[@BJBURN-5g]

I knew I was attracted to guys in the 2nd grade. If it was a choice, it was God's choice for me. But because of the church I've never dated or had sex with anyone. Now at 70 I'm alone and feel cheated out of a happy life. Was I a fool to follow Christian ideals...?

[@lollisaur]

Sorry- I’m a little confused about what point or points is/are being made in this discussion. Could someone please clarify?

[@ednorton3026]

I would to but the double talk being presented makes no sense .People are born gay & that is not wrong or as they like to say 'a sin'

[@jacklyn5578]

so it’s something people struggle with we all have our battles when someone shares theirs with us we are not to look at them differently but to be loving and if they are doing something wrong, we as friends are to call them out on it as for homosexuality, we will be attracted to people, some of us only to men, etc but it’s what you do with it that matters say for instance you are married and are attracted to someone else he mentions people confuse freedom with relief however in the marriage situation, you have made a commitment to your spouse so it’s up to you to be like hey i’m attracted to someone how can we fix this? maybe we need more dates or need more communication etc i believe in the end of the video he mentions this was only part of the conversation and that the link to the full one was in the bio? to sum it up, we should not judge people, just love however if something harms them in some way and we call them out on it that’s an act of love hope this helps

[@alecrosewell6959]

@@Katie-rc5oo mockery what you say, what high chair is there? @FF read a bible ( it is shown that the word homosexuality was not invented until 1800s. )

[@TonyKeeh]

@@alt8791 I hate that someone said "read the bible" as a response to your question. I'm sure it's well intentioned, but it does no good. My response would be this - think of 2 men who are family members having an incestuous relationship. Do you still think there is no harm even if they are 2 consenting adults? Do you think every type of sexual relationship which is consenting is healthy and good? If not, then you may start to see where a Christian would be coming from.

[@JA-gz1pe]

SURE I WILL kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqfLfoRjpLaJaM0

[@heb725]

"There's a difference between relief and freedom." 🔥🔥🔥

[@Formon]

He followed up by stating that he is simply posing the question, as he can never and will never know another person’s experience. ie the quote you provided is merely speculation from his perspective.

[@pastorbri]

@@Formon wonder if homophobics know this?

[@achilleanhorse]

@@mike-cc3dd So people that have prejudice, hatred, and disgust for gay people... what's the name for that...

[@pastorbri]

@@mike-cc3dd so....bit like racism is not a real thing either or sexism???? REALLY????? Sorry these things are real and sinful and need to be repented of.....sorry.

[@pastorbri]

@@Beanie1879 and homophobics were not even born bigots. It was a choice they made.

[@maggie3327]

A woman who has had a hysterectomy can’t have children. No more uterus than any man has at that point . I haven’t heard one peep from the church about a woman with a hysterectomy having sex with her husband even though there is 0 potential for life . Seems to me that although there’s lots of flowery theology and “logic” applied to the doctrine , it really comes down to plain old policing of the bodies of the marginalized. Per usual . And I came into this video already very acquainted with the doctrine on homosexuality.

[@juliand6317]

Maggie the pope in 2010 legitimised some uses for the use of condoms. It’s a weird and complicated affair, but in the end promiscuity is the main reason why all the fuss is made. That and a desire for sex to be in its proper conception. But rest assured no catholic priest would say it was a sin for a barren wife to bed her husband.

[@maggie3327]

Julian D I do understand the promiscuity argument , but that can’t be applied to all gay individuals. It’s observable. Promiscuity is a behavior that can any person can partake in regardless of orientation. Simply being gay doesn’t equate to being promiscuous. I think one of the thing that bothers me the most is that again and again , gay people demonstrate that they are a) not a monolith and b) that their orientation is not simply a sort of sexual fetish or abhorration. But it seems that those from the outside looking in are intent on denying all evidence and claiming they have expertise and insight that they simply don’t possess. I love that the Catholic Church has accepted so much of modern science, but it irks me that in things regarding sexuality, that acceptance turns off. How many times do gay folks and their advocates who have roots in scientific understanding have to assert that their identity is just that -an identity ? It is convenient that this is where the conversation comes to a halt, because if we were to admit that it is an identity that isn’t alterable , we could easily see how the church’s arguments don’t hold water. As a woman I cannot pick apart and assert expertise on the topic of what it means to be a man and have that identity. Likewise we need to trust gay people when they tell us about who they are , and when medical/psychological experts tell us as well.

[@maggie3327]

Julian D I am not sure how contraception was introduced here. I brought up hysterectomies in order to draw a comparison to a situation that didn’t go against catholic teaching in another way that could be easily contradicted (I.e. I didn’t reference a woman getting her tubes tied because people tend to say “well we don’t agree with that either”). Promiscuity does not equate to homosexuality. As for sex being in its “natural conception”, is that not referencing the idea that sex should always allow for the potential of life ? Hence why birth control is also frowned upon. It usually comes down to that when we get into the specifics of WHY the proper conception of sex is exclusively heterosexual. Unitive + procreative. But that logic is not only applicable to gay relationships, which is why I brought up the example I did. homosexual intercourse between married men would be unitive but not pro creative. sex in an 100% infertile heterosexual marriage is unitive but not procreative.

[@juliand6317]

Maggie that’s my point though. The church is perfectly fine with a barren sexual married relationship. So I don’t think it’s just procreative. Unitive is important too but that isn’t the whole reason for sexual relationship. Upholding the sanctity of the nuclear Family is a big portion too, but not the whole picture either. In the end homosexuality is a corruption of the way sexuality was intended (theologically speaking). In the end, there are no other reasons needed beyond that. As an aside your point about gay individuals not all being promiscuous is true, to a degree. We can’t generalise that they all just *are* promiscuous. but we can say that it is a path to other sexual deviations and sins. Which if we look at the statistics is patently true. They are significantly more likely to engage in open/polygamous relationships, significantly more likely to engage in paedophilic activities and number of sex partners has been recorded on average as 4 times more then heterosexuals. Those are numbers by government studies. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3334840/

[@bat353]

What do hysterectomys have with homosexuality?

[@yvonnevazsaxena6712]

I just love listening to every podcast of Fr. Mike's. His sermons, interviews or mass. Wish I could meet him one day.

[@minwithJesus]

wow its all about us blew my mind thank you so much for talking about this is so much love

[@dan69052]

attention Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various agents are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined orientation. It is not a choice, not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of mammals & found commonplace in nature. Research in this area clearly explains this process. The book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years ago by goat herders, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book.Peace

[@kathyalex778]

I want to learn more about this topic, thank you for the recommendation.

[@dan69052]

@@CatholicCarlismEnjoyer You can read the book or remain ignorant.

[@annie68164]

I've found fr. mike to match up with the teachings of the bible very well. I show his videos to my faith formation class periodically. He explains things better than I can. Just discovered Matt Fradd, so I"m excited to hear more from him. With the church being almost overrun with females, my male students need to hear from a masculine man of authority. Too little testosterone in the church right now. Thank you men for serving we need you!

[@iammerch1805]

Lmao what- my old church was only men. The women didn't get to talk. We need women to take the stage and be leaders, I don't know why you wouldn't want representation and being progressive

[@dan69052]

Here is a great video for your class.

[@annie68164]

@@iammerch1805 I don't know where you're located, but where I'm at in the U.S.A almost everything in the church beyond the priest is run by women- specifically elderly women. Moms teach Faith Formation, women handing out the Eucharist, handling the music, and so on. This is about the most uninspiring thing imaginable for people raising boys. I understand women need roles in the faith community but not to the point where they're doing everything.

[@annie68164]

@Potato Yes, it's excessive and inappropriate. I've taught Faith Formation for many years at my parish and I find it pathetic that only 1 man has stepped up to the plate. I always thank him for doing it. Most of the teachers at school are female so the kids love having a male teacher at church!

[@alejandrovallejo4330]

There is a main difference between all the situations I see compared to being homosexual here. Being homosexual doesn’t harm or affect other people.

[@danielc1136]

They affect themselves and their partners, also society when “normalizing” (not entirely possible) these behaviors. Would you do something to prevent a depressed person from harming themselves?

[@alejandrovallejo4330]

@@danielc1136 no they don’t affect their partners or themselves, explain to me, with science and proof, not religion, how do they affect themselves? The only way they “affect” themselves is from a religious perspective and bringing up depression is such a straw man, because unlike depression being gay doesn’t put your life at risk 🙄.

[@danielc1136]

@@alejandrovallejo4330 “The only way they are affected is in a religious way” well, you’re criticizing a Catholic point of view, and Christianity of any kind is rightfully against your ideology. Do you want us to be against their orientation in the same way a scientist would be? In any case, think about this: Why is it that science “progressed” and removed their orientations off mental illness only after the twentieth century sexual liberation and not the other way around? Science is objective, yes, but it’s interpretation can be modified to suit a narrative, and if the narrative comes before the science does, then we should rightfully question it. Scientifically I can only state their higher risks of sexual diseases which are higher to those of sex workers, that they are often not born that way but molested into it, and that they have higher risks of suicide than heterosexuals having a correlation with depression that is not in any way explained by society welcoming them or not. In a moral way we can obviously state that promiscuity is wrong and that to separate the procreation off sex can only bring a disgusting hedonistic lifestyle upon you, as well that real partner love cannot be felt in the way that they live, since man and woman are complementary in a special way, and without these unitive and procreation parts of sex, the act becomes nothing more than something devious, worthy for animals but not for man.

[@nomnombr]

The effect can be but often is not physical, it is a mental conditioning to bastardize sex, which is exactly what sodomy (homosexual relationships and fornication in general) does to the mind and spirit. It directly interjects the unitive a procreative nature of sex and banalizes it to mean just pleasure as an end in of itself. If you want to talk about human nature, I'm up to it! I just don't think science has anything to do in human relationships, nature, interactions, their meanings; it is the wrong tool to tackle these subjects

[@alejandrovallejo4330]

@@danielc1136 ok your “well you’re criticizing a catholic point of view” is like saying that Muslim extremist are right in killing people because that’s their religious point of view, it doesn’t hold up. Why has science progressed and remove their sexuality from mental illness? Because they realized it wasn’t a mental illness, it’s not something they decided arbitrarily, they did studies and the studies support that gay people are just as perfectly healthy mentally and otherwise to your average straight people. “It’s interpretation can be modified to suit that narrative” Oh an religion can’t? Because no one in history has ever changed the interpretation of the Bible or any religious text right? Scientifically that’s incorrect. Yes they are at higher risk than your average person, but not because they are homosexual. Sexual deseases don’t depend on your sexual orientation so it has nothing to do with that, meaning the higher risk comes from another factors like the lack of sex education and using condoms less because they don’t have to worry about pregnancies. I agree that the higher depression rate doesn’t have to do with wether society will accept them or not, because almost everyone accepts them these days, but it does have to do with them not being able to live as themselves from the start and faking being heterosexual while they figure themselves out, specially in religious communities. In an ethical way, promiscuity is not wrong as long as you don’t cheat on your partner ant take precautions against infections and infections others and take responsibility for the possible consecuentes. It’s not my preferred choice to live by, but there is nothing wrong with ebony promiscuos. Not to mention this has nothing to do with homosexual people, since again, sexual appetite and responsibility don’t depend on sexual orientation. Love is also something not dependent on sex, sexual orientation or gender, anyone can feel the same amount of love regardless of who they are or who their partner is. If you don’t think so then that’s a horrible way of thinking but that’s your opinion, because I bet you don’t even have an empirical proof about them feeling less love. And yes biologically the consecuente of sex is sometimes procreation, but they aren’t synonyms and they can be separated. Even if you try to have children there are times women won’t get pregnant, even if they are fertile and have no reproductive defects, so it’s not like they are the same thing and sex always lead to procreation. And actually most animals don’t have sex for pleasure so it’s more animalistic to have sex just for the purpose of reproduction and is more worthy of humans to have it for pleasure.

[@colmwhateveryoulike3240]

7:57 Good, I'm glad Father Mike said this (and great job Matt) - I have my own experience with this. I remember the beginning of the homosexual thoughts following various abuse by various people - some sexual, some physical, and some that warped my relationship with male authority. I remember the guilt from the same authorities based on Christian beliefs. I remember the fear-based focus and self-testing that brought these new impulses to the fore and pushed my more fundamentally innate heterosexual instincts out of focus a bit. All of this before the age at which such sexual elements of my identity were due to emerge without undue influence. Now eventually I grew up and first stopped judging gay people when I met them and realised they were "good" decent humans but then stopped believing in God for other reasons. It became a no-brainer to support gay rights but I also explored the possibility that I myself was bisexual and had been messed up because of puritanical Christian beliefs. It became obvious that I lacked what gay men self-described as an innate lack of attraction to women and an equivalent positive attraction to other men. I did have an attraction to gay sex but it was more akin to a fetish of some kind. It had nothing to do with my truest and most loving self and everything to do with more superficial psychological artifacts developed based on early abuses. I didn't find men attractive, or the idea of a relationship with a man attractive and I kept finding that I sought out sex just to explore and find answers only to find that the one obvious experimental result I kept ignoring was that I wasn't really enjoying any of it. It was a fetish and not akin to my heterosexual drives. So I stopped. I happened to open up to a cousin of mine who pushed for an answer and I admitted my less-than-healthy sex life. That made it real and not just in my head and within a week or two I had ended all activity. It wasn't long after that my renewing relationship with God turned back into Christianity (to my surprise and sort of against my social comfort zone) and a subsequent process of sanctification really rid me of all confusion and pervertion from my truest and most loving design on that level along with others. That's a much longer and more interesting story that I won't go into here. However, where does this leave me with regard to those who always identified as gay in a more certain way than I ever was? As you point out, they consider homosexuality to be their truest and most loving design. Are they all just mistaken because few people have as long memories of being fully aware as I have (I suspect trauma does that to people - I know a few people with such memories of being aware as toddlers but most seem not to) and are they mistaken about what they consider innate? I'm sure some are like me but I can't imagine all are. Either way, I cannot claim to know because only God who IS truth and love and who did design them would know. So I have come to a sort of compromise on the issue but I'm not saying I'm satisfied, just that here is where I am. Gay pride and all civil rights are all about being our truest and most loving selves in their purest form. This is also what sanctification by God literally is. So accepting what I don't know, I feel like I can safely encourage anyone to engage in a relationship with God and tell them that IF being gay really is their truest and most loving design by God then great, and if it isn't then great too. I suspect it is not because the Bible has been shown to me to be God's word beyond any doubt by God Himself. I also know it is clearly not the OG purpose of our sexual drives although that isn't that convincing an angle. If not for the Bible I would happily make my own choices and leave others to theirs and not worry about them but I do worry even though it isn't my problem as such. But I do see the expression I recognise as soul-strain in the eyes of many gay people so I pray that whatever is the case in reality, that they find God through Christ and figure it out between them. Unless a person is a Christian, it's one step removed from my relationship with them. Until they are, we can all agree that true love is the aim even if we have different perspectives on that and they may not yet know truth/love is the conscious, living Creator God who has a far better viewpoint than they can have even on their own selves.

[@jamesparson]

So do you look down on atheists?

[@colmwhateveryoulike3240]

@@jamesparson How could I?

[@jamesparson]

@@colmwhateveryoulike3240 They don't bother with the being a Christian for one thing...

[@colmwhateveryoulike3240]

@@jamesparson Yes, I was an atheist myself. I'm not really sure why you think I'd look down on atheists though.

[@Thenoobestgirl]

Sexuality is fluid and can change over time.

[@Grokford]

Well this is a mess, that draws almost everything from Christian folk tradition instead of the Bible. The fact that people are born with sin does not mean that every state in which we are born must be changed. Arguing that a Black woman must straighten her hair is enforcing an arbitrary standard. Equally so, saying that Queer people have to change their Queerness to meet some arbitrary standard is not justified or biblical. … Identity is a complicated phenomenon. The reason that Queer people are Queer people, as opposed to people who happen to be gay, trans, gender non-conforming, whatever, is not internal pressure; it’s external. Queer people share similar experiences to Non-Queer people. Crushes, first loves and loneliness are not unique to the Queer experience. But many of the hallmarks of Queer experience are things created for Queer people by the rest of society: fear, rejection, abandonment, violence, paranoia, shame, confusion. You can tell that these are arbitrary measures by the counter examples. The Queer experience is changing, instead of people realizing their sexuality in late life people are realizing in their twenties, or earlier. There are even people who never have to come out because they’ve never been scared or aware of the prejudice against them. But even though the world is changing the threat that surrounds Queer people continually reinforces the needs for a strong community. I once had some men try to kill me with their car just because I was on a busy street Near a gay club. So this self-righteous jostling about “why are you turning it into an identity” is ignorant at best and cruel at worse. Queer people aren’t perfect but if all else fails they can usually count on one another. … I do appreciate that there is a good counter argument presented by the host but agreeing with it and then ignoring it is not an adequate response. You can not psychologize people’s experiences, reducing their lives to convenient psychological tricks is not a valid form of argumentation. Obsessing over sex is not the preoccupation of Queer people, it is primarily an outside concern. If you want to argue for the validity of a Queer romantic relationship as separate from sexual relationships you can do that, but the distinction is arbitrary. … God may treat us as individuals but the Church certainly doesn’t much of the time. This is especially true of Queer people. As I’ve said already, we’re talking about fear, violence, rejection and hatred. So I find this idea that Queer people are the ones turning their relationships with the church into a group conversation to be trite if not completely dishonest.

[@denniszetterberg3239]

Excellent dialogue! Thank you Matt & Father Mike.

[@TiholiTeix]

Guys, please watch the video before responding to random people’s opinions in the comments!😑

[@dalex60]

God doesn't want shameless hypocrisy from his followers either, but he gets it every time a Christian indulges in their daily hypocritical walk with their lord...

[@madmech153]

Explain?

[@seekerhonest]

How should homosexuals take Christians for serious when they come up with crazy stories like "homosexuality is a seduction of their satan"?

[@dalex60]

@@madmech153 - Work on your reading an comprehension skills...

[@dan69052]

truth If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace

[@dan69052]

If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Research has shown that major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin since there is no choice offered. The fetus has no willful acceptance. However, if your religion or belief system states that it is a sin, then there can be no discussion. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. Facts are irrelevant. This is your only choice which doesn’t include options & exceptions. If the rules say it is a sin, So be it. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality or religion, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology & superstition with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression as well in the animal kingdom. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book & the numerous articles. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both determined by genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace

[@thirstyboots6711]

What happened to the video with Matt and Fr. Mike about Bishop Barron? Received a notification but then it was unavailable.

[@pintswithaquinas]

Catherine Smith we put the wrong thumbnail on the video. Our mistake. It’ll be up soon.

[@Logan-rq7wg]

@@randycouch2769 One might think so if they have never met Our Lord. Ask Mary to obtain from Her Son the grace for you to truly see Christ in the Eucharist. Until you see His goodness in the Blessed Sacrament, you have no idea how impoverished non-Catholics are.

[@row1landr]

@@pintswithaquinas Hi from Renée in Virginia! Love all of the Catholic KZbin channels! !!!! I would ask you all to listen to the latest Catholic Lighthouse CD by Scott Hahn on the topic of hell! You will gain great new insights! !!

[@latronemastrucato7288]

@@randycouch2769 that's not entirely correct I'd argue. God created all things at one point in time (from our perspective as God must necessarily be outside of time) and God sustains all of existence as He is subsistence existence itself. God no longer creates all life in the sense that creation is ex nihilo and I wasn't just created my parents made me. Secondly what leads you to believe everyone will "go" to heaven? That seems contradictory with everything. God wills not many religions but because we have free will we may chose to do as we like, not what is best for us. That also doesn't mean that one must be Christian to "go" to heaven, also heaven and hell are states and not places but you know. The choice God made was the following He gave us free will, that makes it possible for us to err. I'd argue that that was good and not a mistake.

[@miamaria333]

@@pintswithaquinas Might be misunderstood..hmmm. Your use of the word "reverenced", in (that) conversation concerning same sex attraction, doesn't that mean venerated?? Seems "inappropriate" ! Very strange!

[@willsal7806]

Reminds me of what the late apologist Ravi Zacharias said "Behind every question is a questioner" We always gotta remember that its a human person asking those poignant stuff that most likely is affecting them deeply.

[@susanjackson6521]

WOW!!! GOD IS SOO GREAT!!! This AM I was doing my Bible study and I asked Jesus to send me a overflowing cup of blessing today because I am feeling discouraged and I am reading the entire Bible from beginning to the end and I am in 1st Corinthians and I read today chapter 10:13 there is no temptation that has taken man that is not common to all of us. The answer was that God knows what temptations and trials that are designed specifically for each of us to bring us to him. All come with an escape. You will go through that trial/temptation with VICTORY on the other side if you turn to him. Take that shame or sin to him. Just like you’re talking about today …though this video may be two or three yrs old it came up on my utube channel for me today! God always delivers. HALLELUJAH

[@johanfrancis2001]

Thats great....enough motivation for me...

[@dan69052]

more reading & knowledge If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace

[@kathyoleen]

I praise how you both simply love us🙏✝️

[@JA-gz1pe]

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[@victorolivero8959]

As a gay person, I can tell you we are born like this. And I also think is interesting that you just asume being gay is wrong without giving any actual reason as to why. "God said it" is not an argument, is a claim.

[@tonistaak]

Did science find any evidence that gays are born?

[@victorolivero8959]

@@tonistaak actually yes, and if you are talking about a "gay gene", that doesn't exist, just as a "straight gene" also doesn't exist. Sexuality is determined by millions of sexual genes working at the same time, this is why sexuality is a spectrum and bisexuals exist. There are straight people, bisexual people with preferences to the opposite gender, bisexuals without preferences, bisexuals with preferences to the same gender, and gay people. You can look up the studies online. And this is without talking about the observed homosexuality in nature (animal kingdom), which is fairly common too. I assume that you would agree animals can't "turn gay" they are born like that.

[@tonistaak]

@@victorolivero8959 we can't talk about animals because that's appeal to nature. It's not necessary that what happens in nature has to happen in humans or vice versa. Can you link any specific studies, because i have looked at genetic factors study, genetic factors were found in only 25% of the participants,how would you explain rest 75%?

[@victorolivero8959]

@@tonistaak you are right about the appeal to nature, but at the same time, if we see a repited behaviour in animals that also accours in humans is normal to make te correlation considering we are also animals, even more if other animals from the same genetic history also have homosexual individuals, such as apes. And I think you are missunderstanding the purpose of these studies you talk about. They are not looking for genetic similarities so they can lable homosexuality "natural, or genetic" if they found the so called "gay gene" homosexuality could be compared to down syndrome or other genetic disabilities or anomalies. This is not the case. If you are trying to say that homosexuality needs to be genetically consistent throughout individuals so it can be genetic, you are largely mistaken. The best example I can give you is straight people. There's no genetic consistency in your sexuality, you can't tell someone's sexuality by looking at their genome, whether they are straight or not, and being gay works the same way. Sexuality is very complex, so much that it can manifest differently in every individual. Two straight people could have no genetic correlation sexually, and they are both still straight. There's also the argument that sexuality could be epigenetic. But in any case, is not logical to expect genetic consistency in homosexual people to conclude is innate, when not even straight people have that. Would you say being straight is a choice then?

[@tonistaak]

@@victorolivero8959 if there's no evidence of genetic cause or biological cause for rest of the 75%, how did you conclude it's innate? Few homosexual cases in animals is different than 2.5% of the population being gay. Do you have the numbers for any animal species with 2.5 or higher % of homosexuality?

[@talldarkandahandfull5781]

Midway through I was paying more attention to comments,did they speak specifically about the title of this video?

[@ensignmjs7058]

No one knows. Everyone was just reading comments.

[@newlanddewinter4692]

I think Fr. Mike tries not to put off the young people, i.e., he tries to be cool. But he sticks to the Church's hard line that you can be gay but you can't do anything about it. You can't act on it.

[@user-zc2ey4jn7x]

Everything we have and everything we are belongs to God. Even our sexuality! We are to choose Him before it all. The enemy wants you to hold on to all your tendencies follow him. It’s how the enemy keeps us in bondage and confusion. Our Father, our Creator knows exactly who you are and what you desire/prefer BUT He wants you to turn away from those things and let Him decide. Give it ALL to Him. Even if that means celibacy!

[@dan69052]

truth If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace

[@dan69052]

If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Research has shown that major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin since there is no choice offered. The fetus has no willful acceptance. However, if your religion or belief system states that it is a sin, then there can be no discussion. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. Facts are irrelevant. This is your only choice which doesn’t include options & exceptions. If the rules say it is a sin, So be it. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality or religion, the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology & superstition with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression as well in the animal kingdom. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book & the numerous articles. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both determined by genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace

[@dominickbundy6429]

Here is some food for thought , would the same thing apply to those who think they were born straight? Or is that simply taken for granted without question. Because heterosexual desires or attraction is considered normal. When for many it isn’t.

[@fireball1281]

Dominick Bundy heterosexuality is considered the standard because it is only with a man and a woman where the dual purposes of sex can be realized

[@dominickbundy6429]

Gabriel Garcia Realize about what?

[@TheMountAndBladerX10]

@@dominickbundy6429 realize as in, fullfill their biological purpose of reproduction. (at least i assume thats what is meant, since im not the original commente)

[@dominickbundy6429]

Juliusius But not everyone is programmed into reproduction no matter what their gender is. That’s why birth control was invented, condoms, birth control pills and other form s of preventing reproduction. Not everyone wants or desires children. And that should be okay.

[@TheMountAndBladerX10]

@@dominickbundy6429 that is a modern conception yes, but thats rather an abstract concept, considering that biologically speaking every animals and every species, plants included, is programmed to reproduce. otherwise it would be an evolutionary failure.

[@twistedmind3323]

I'm fascinated by how a religion so obsessed with families and marriage is actively pushing away people in love, many of whom desperately want families of their own.

[@thegirl177]

i hope someday you will understand brother. God bless you

[@yz5957]

I don't know anything about any of this, nor do I have any issue with a non straight person, but sir your argument does not make sense, you need to make a baby to start a family, how are two dudes able two make a baby, how are two chicks gunna make a baby,

[@twistedmind3323]

@@yz5957 there's a few ways actually- adoption/fostering, sometimes if one of the people has children from a previous marriage they may have custody and raise those kids with their current partner, they may use an egg/supermarket donor, or one of the partners could be a transgender person and decide to have a biological child with their partner. Its different, yeah, but families have looked all kinds of ways since the dawn of time. This isn't me trying to tell anyone how to live their life, only trying to point out how a lot of people do have families even if it doesn't look like the typical mom dad 2.5 kids ith a white picket fence family.

[@twistedmind3323]

@@thegirl177 I think I do, but not in a way you'd agree with. I watched this to try and genuinely understand "the other side" and this only confirmed my opinions.

[@fatmaramadan6928]

@@thegirl177 Next episide. CAN SOMEONE BE BORN DELUDED? or do they need to be brainwashed by their regionally dominant god fable? Discuss. ........

[@scarlett6841]

As a lesbian I can safely say it’s not a choice. I never chose to live a more difficult and challenging life. Homosexuality is a development in evolution, to allow members of a species to care for the abandoned offspring, without the responsibility of there own, to prevent there deaths and carry out the bloodline. This is seen in hundreds of species all over the world and animal kingdom, such as dolphins and penguins. If god is out there, this is his reason, think of the MILLIONS of abandoned children in the world, God knows they need a family, and we can give that, and are actually more likely too as we can’t biologically have children as an alternative. Everything God would do is for a reason, including homosexuality. If you condemn us, you condemn the work and choice of God. Only God can judge, and when the day comes that I stand before God, I will proudly say I am his creation, and I am how me made me, and if he chooses to hate me for how he made me, he is not a God I choose to bow too.

[@scarlett6841]

Ben jamin being proud is a problem? Are u a PROUD Christian?

[@jokomosa7520]

Are you Christian ✝️u need to back to him

[@coffee1940.]

I have many gay friends, black,brown , straight . They are all of the human race. I just want them to treat me fair.

[@Error_-ct2vp]

@@coffee1940. lmao do they not?

[@dan69052]

excellent ideas please read on If you are wondering about the question of whether your sexuality is a sin or not, I welcome you to consider the following thoughts for clarification. Let’s look at some basic fundamental facts based on extensive research & ongoing R&D. During fetal development a verity of biochemical agents are introduced which determine the development of the fetus. Major agents such as testosterone & estrogen & a host of others agents determine size, weight, hair color, eye color & sexuality along with a host of other traits. Variations in the amount & timing of the introduction of these agents have a major effect in our development. The fetus is a passive participant & has no influence in these matters. Sexuality, for example, & all other secondary traits are thus given to us. Well, this begs the question, is homosexuality a sin. If your religion or belief system states that it is, then there can be no argument. These are the rules based on this system’s dogma. If you accept this system, you must accept the rules. This is your only choice which is condemnation. If, however, you are in a belief system based on logic, reason, observation & common sense, & no reliance on spirituality the conclusion is totally different. Replacing ancient religion & mythology with reason leads to another conclusion. Leaving religions that use condemnation & ridicule for control, can be the first step in becoming a true human being minus any imposed or fabricated guilt. There exist many variations of human sexual expression. When you leave various ancient religious beliefs behind & chose knowledge based in research, you can see & understand the true nature of humanity. You leave ignorance, hatred, & prejudice behind. In the book Gay Straight & the Reason Why by Simon Levay PhD, explanations regarding this aspect of humanity are clearly explained & is based on research. While I am not gay, I highly recommend this book. Being gay is no more of a sin than having red hair. They are both based on genetics & clearly not a sin. There is nothing wrong with you. This is the true choice. Peace

[@christophermetz1550]

If you get nothing else from this, know that God knows how to call forth some of our best to be preists. Fr. Mike has truly been a respurce and a comfort for us sinners. I love the idea of aproaching sin from a holistic view of one's life. I've struggled with certain sins for a very long time. Ive made some changes in my life, cut some things out, replaces certain harmful activities with positive ones, etc. There are ao many things we do in our lifes that affect other aspects of our life that we would never even think of.