Are Pickup Trucks REALLY Piling Up On Dealer Lots? We Investigate!!

[@bluetick67]

I’m guessing he’s driving a Toyota Solara

[@TFLtalk]

Got it!

[@davidlusk4350]

That solara needs to be in a video and is amazingly more reliable than our new trucks. Numbers don't lie, lol

[@jeffk464]

There was also a Lexus Toyota Solara. You know nice seats plus another $20,000

[@billybobbob3003]

@@TFLtalk lol headlights have adjustments plus you can get fanless led bulbs.

[@lonerider5315]

Was driving, stopped to make my guess. Here it is lol, or it's a celica?

[@sidneyrobinson9186]

Hopefully Dealers that Gouged with Premiums are being remembered

[@shiftymcgee9359]

I did. Brought recently from Walnut Creek Ford instead of Sacramento area Ford dealers. They all mark up with Future Ford being the absolute worst. Broncos new and used are still marked up 5-10k.

[@that.schamp]

I figure when they are about to go bankrupt, I will go ask them for a $25,000 market adjustment.

[@Teamvenomracing]

Absolutely!

[@davidyackell]

Our local Ford has an ungodly amount of vehicles on their lot. The dealerships took advantage of willing customers, but the unwilling ones aren't even getting near a dealership, if their smart. Shady tactics and markups are going to burn them. But the dealerships and the greedy corporations let it happen and never learn from their mistakes again and again.

[@jeffk464]

I still have to wait for the 2024 models to back up.

[@JesseLJohnson]

The dealers here are all loaded with trucks. Some of them seem to keep stuff moving some I have seen the same trucks for months. Those dealers though have ridiculous market adjustments. We have 3 GMC dealers locally. I bought a Denali Ultimate recently. Only one I could find within 100 miles. Shortly after one of the other dealers got one in. They added $12k to the sticker. I actually got about $3k off sticker on mine and that is including taxes and all out the door I saved $3k even with taxes and all. That truck with the $12k over sticker they have had since Easter its still sitting on their lot. My truck I got the same time and they said it had only been there 2 days before I bought it and that it was the first one they had even had on the lot since every other one had been sold before they ever got it. The one bigger Ford dealer is just ridiculous. They have a couple F450s but not new ones they are a couple years old with 20k or more miles and they want as much for them as a brand new 23 cost. They have a Maverick for $49500. I didn't even know they made a Maverick that was that expensive. If I am spending $50k think I am gonna buy a real truck lol.

[@jameswbarry9576]

You got that right where I live too in Illinois where I live there is 4 Ford dealers as far as you can see trucks like crazy

[@MidSouthUTV]

For the Editors......ADD CHAPTORS to these long videos! 00:00 Intro Monologue 02:27 Tesla Cyber Truck 10:00 Ineos Grenadier Quartermaster 17:37 Mitsubishi Triton 21:55 Patreon Questions 23:43 Andre's Chevy Colorado Update 28:41 To LED swap a halogen bulb or NOT 31:05 Heavy Duty Trucks: Gas or Diesel? 39:43 Bad economy hurting Dealerships? 54:50 Rivian R1T 59:10 Outro Conclusion

[@diesel6916]

So they talk about the thumb nail topic @40min for less then 15min on a 60min video SMH

[@USA__WILL]

They've already mentioned that tfl podcast is audio not necessarily a video production. They don't have resources to help fine tune the KZbin videos. Unless your willing to do it for free on all their videos.

[@diesel6916]

@@USA__WILL million dollar corp lol

[@jw8578]

Tfl is losing it. Another channel out of NJ has this topic already covered.

[@gaberohrbach7542]

@@jw8578 Every other truck channel has videos about this topic. Your point?

[@u.s.fiscalforecast4149]

Good points about truck prices. I traded my 2019 RAM 1500 and got a car instead. I was NOT going to plunk down $60-70K for a new one, which is not even a top line model anyway. Yes, I lose the utility of a truck, but with a lot less in car payments I can rent a truck when I really need one.

[@demuntresmith6666]

Smart man

[@upperechelon3456]

I kind of feel you on that one. I still have my 2016 toyota tundra at 117k and it runs like a champ. Won't be getting rid of it anytime soon. I'll buy a second suv and count my blessings. 😊

[@robertrousseaux1059]

Here in Canada mortgage rates since 2015 have went from 2.74 percent to almost 7. What does that mean. A mortgage renewal means on a $400000 home a monthly payment of $1800 in 2015 will be $2700 in 2023 . Where is that $900 dollars going to come from ? You won’t be buying a new vehicle as often, and it won’t be a $100000 truck .

[@Nikephorus]

Yep. My mortgage is coming up for renewal next July and I'm super excited about that /sarcasm. I'm driving a 2005 Colorado and doubt I will be buying a new vehicle anytime soon.

[@jeffk464]

The only place you want to live in Canada is Vancouver and its crazy expensive add 7% interest rates and you have to be Bill Gates, who almost lives in Vancouver by the way.

[@dehumm9619]

​@Nikephorus you know you can renew early and blend the rates or pay a small penalty and renegotiate ahead of renewal right ? I did that a year ago when rates were low and the talk of raises were still just rumors.

[@jeffk464]

@@Nikephorus I had a 2005 Tacoma PreRunner with no stability control. I miss it but total death trap in snow country. I might be getting the new one with all the goodies. 2015 Sold 2005 Taco for a GTI, 2024 buy a Tacoma to compliment my GTI.

[@SunnynPhilly]

Does Canada 🇨🇦 not have 30 year fixed rate mortgages, eh?

[@donevy9784]

working graveyard now I got something to listen to for the rest of the night let’s go

[@dlg5485]

You have to consider that every truck manufacturer has jacked up their prices by $1000s these last few years, so the discounts Andre is pointing out aren't as generous as they may seem. If they jacked up the MSRP by $4000 and then offer a $5000 discount, that's nothing to rave about.

[@Johnnyscarcarereviews]

I am so very glad that a big channel like yours is doing the proper research and getting the real deal to people so they can actually get a deal or avoid a bad one.

[@erickisel8668]

@Johnny’s car care & reviews: TFL took a page out of your playbook! Keep up the good work Johnny!

[@jmackinjersey1]

As far as switches vs digital component controls, Ford and Toyota did a study a few years ago. Both came out with the same results, that people prefer the switch to searching through pages of tech to turn the radio down or lower the fan speed. By that time, Ford had already switched to a major tech heavy center console interface. Toyota had not yet changed over and they continued the easier, manual switches. Ford had already signed contracts with manufacturers, but slowly brought back the manual switches. I prefer a direct connection between my HVAC controls as well as my radio.

[@hahaadventures4838]

First of all, I will NEVER own an electric car or truck! NEVER!! Just bought a 23 1/2 ton 4x4 pickup for 20% off of MSRP which was $65k. Hold out for the price you want and you’ll find it!!! Be patient and don’t settle for the rip off prices!

[@chrisb5986]

Good. Thanks for finally being in the camp of your viewers and not the manufacturers.

[@harunduman8529]

Corporate greed is on full force, over 30% increase on average cannot be compensated by a 5% discount. A correction should follow. Thanks for the video guys.

[@highbrass3749]

So these companies weren’t greedy a few years ago?

[@jameswbarry9576]

in Illinois there is a ambandit dodge factory in belvedere Illinois it would be great to build the new small ram pickup truck

[@OdysseyOffroad]

I would agree with this because I've been wanting a brand new Toyota Tundra since they came out. I just bought one last week and I was actually able to go to the dealer and select the one I want out of multiple available on the lot.

[@nathankoroush7918]

All the idiots buying at these outrageous prices are the problem.

[@mcool4587]

Guys over an hour to explain something that can be summarized in about nine minutes? You have to shorten your videos, they are far too long.

[@jayhiggins5239]

It's a video of a Podcast.

[@sad754yt]

I use to trade out every few years. Im really trying now to hold onto all my vehicles and rvs and just paying them down quickly. No new loans for me at 7% and above.

[@Captain-Awesome]

We are looking at buying an RV, roughly 14k dry. I was looking st a F350 SRW. The Brinkley Z3100 is likely what we will end up with. If you have a minute would you tell me about your tow rig and RV?

[@SHUB281]

Same

[@sad754yt]

@Captain-Awesome Well my tow/haul rig is a 2022 gas 3/4 ton Silverado. I am a full timer in a 2k lb truck camper so payload is my first concern. I also have a 20 ft 2022 Geo Pro but that just sits on my land for my son. It only weighs about 4k lbs. I can easily tow it and haul my truck camper at the same time but never need to. Brinkley is a nice choice for the 5th wheel. I think you should be fine with the truck you are looking at. Are you purposely staying away from the dually?

[@gregmoessner3104]

2/3 in and finally they get to the point!

[@shiftymcgee9359]

It’s a Roman video.

[@wkw4095]

Those youtube channels that go to dealer lots are far more interesting than looking at a computer screen. There are a lot of trucks sitting in lots. The number of 2023 Wrangler 4xe's sitting in lots is comical....in a sad way. but that's another story.

[@JR-N-TX]

After 25 years of driving F series trucks 150 to 350, all high end models, I got tired of the things falling apart when they pass 100k miles. Or, as the last F-150 KR did at 66K miles, broke the sun roof while it was getting inspected for a trade in. Why trade below my normal baseline? It was having electrical problems. I traded on a high end Tundra. Not the best fuel economy, but I feel like I stepped back to a time when a truck was a truck. It can be worked on, or maybe I should say modified, as it really doesn't need much maintenance. At 65k miles now and still happy. It still has all the nice things, and so far, no rattles. Everything is still working.

[@upperechelon3456]

You made the right choice in s tundra.

[@andrewshenton6541]

Remember dealers made record profits during a horrible time for everyone,this is ripping poeple off and especially hurting the average joe who now can’t afford most trucks out there.we all expect dealers to make money,and i had no problem with dealers increasing price to maintain profitability,but they didn’t ,they made record profits.dealers don’t deserve our business

[@TerrenceTerryLynch]

Will just drive the trucks we have until somebody smartens up, into the three CEOs you forgot the 6P’s prior planning prevents piss, poor performance

[@sharonthehuman5954]

@TFLtalk Any info on the rumored Toyota Stout? Lots of rampant rumors on you tube but the only legitimate info seems to be that Toyota has registered the Stout name.

[@smileymac8017]

I'm keeping "old smokey" my 2005 Ram diesel 2500 with 114k miles. It's simple just like me. 😂

[@trobbins88]

When it comes to truck inventory, in my area, it varies by dealership. When I bought my '23 Elevation Sierra this week (without market adjustments), I had over 40 trucks on the lot to choose from. They had every engine available from the TurboMax to the 6.2L as well as every trim level from the Pro to the AT4X AEV and Denali Ultimate. That dealership normally has over 100 trucks in stock. Going down the road, the local Dodge dealership has zero trucks in stock, just a couple of commercial truck bodies. Further down the road, the Toyota dealer has a couple of Tundra's, but that is it. The Ford dealer has about a dozen ICE F-150's. My GMC dealer had 4 Canyon Elevation 2wd models and the Chevy dealer down the road had a couple of base Trail Boss Colorado's. The Ford dealer didn't have any Rangers or Maverick's. The Toyota dealer didn't have any Taco's. I'm glad you touched on LED light swaps. STOP PUTTING LED HEADLIGHT BULBS IN YOUR VEHICLES THAT DIDN'T COME WITH LED'S!! Some people believe that one trip to AutoZone makes them a headlight expert. Because the LED's have a different reflecting light pattern than incandescent lights, the housings that were designed for incandescent lights make the LED's look like you are driving with your high beams on. I have never been flashed because of my factory LED's because they are aimed correctly and they have the proper housings. If you put the proper type of headlights into your housings, your lighting pattern will be just as good as LED's. If you are insistent on swapping to LED's, swap out the housings as well so you don't blind everyone around you. Another problem is ordering aftermarket LED headlight or taillight kits and thinking they are just plug-and-play, only to have them hyperflash or the LED's are so dim that you can't tell if you are hitting the brakes or not. There area couple of Tahoe's near me that did an Escalade taillight swap. They were done so poorly that you can barely tell if the brakes are on or not because the brake lights are dimmer than the third brake light.

[@jeffk464]

Yes, I think full size GM's are backing up. I don't know if the dealer mindsets have changed yet but you can try low balling them.

[@leecowell8165]

that's a very good point regarding LED headlight replacement! I blind people with my LED and am constantly flicking my lights at them that I'm really on low beam after replacing my halogens with LED. I wound up re-aiming my headlights to ease the issue. You should NOT install LED lamps in non-reflective headlights.

[@sidneyrobinson9186]

Here in Canada the fleet stuff is always pre-ordered. All the stock stuff does not move. The LIghtning will be able to Tesla charger next year atleast. The Problem here with "domestic" is the truck is a $70k however they price it 80k and say $10k discount if they do a rebate. Something I truly appreciate about Imports

[@TheFarmersLife]

For my daily driver farm truck my next truck is very likely going to be gas. We have a 25' gooseneck, but some logistics have changed over the last few years. I think the only time I've hooked it up in the last two years is to move it from one part of a barn to another. I think I'm going to save that $10k on a new truck and get more payload which will be of more use to me. Like the guys said I make a ton of short trips around the farm and to town. Somewhere along the line my Cummins' DPF fell off and I haven't had a check engine light since. I've actually thought about get a decent old dually with a flatbed that can live at the farm, and start daily driving a half ton.

[@garykarczewski6678]

Vehicle pricing is totally out of control. The best action a consumer can do is NOT PURCHASE any used or New Vehicles. Fix what you have which is the most practical action one can do. Eventually the OEM and Dealerships will drop prices because they have to.

[@steinwaymodelb]

I'm rather disappointed that there are still no options for PHEV heavy duty trucks. The extra torque and regen capability could very well outperform diesel powerplants, while offering far lower operating costs, fewer failure points, and extra utility like onboard power. The extra 10k for a diesel option could pay for a very robust PHEV option.

[@skoolynugenator1802]

So you can tow something for 100 miles and then hafta charge again? Why?

[@gearshiv]

​@@skoolynugenator1802phev is a hybrid so electric with a gas generator like most modern tanks, very gas efficient and leaving your house you can get 40-60 miles on just straight electric if you plug it in

[@skoolynugenator1802]

@@gearshiv oh yeah just say hybrid. I’m totally down for hybrid.

[@gearshiv]

@@skoolynugenator1802 there are multiple types of hybrid phev is just one of many

[@shaungarrett3938]

Absolutely! This extreme switch to all electric is a bridge too far for those who tow.

[@SilverWatcher.]

What everyone cant afford a hundred thousand dollar truck. 😅😂 i cant afford a 13k truck. What chance do i have.

[@mminniear984]

What do you get from a new truck vs old? A warranty that you won’t use. That’s the only benefit. My 13’ ram with 230k has never left on the side of the road in the 150k I’ve put on it since purchased used in 2018.

[@rah4822]

This should be a 5 to 7 minute video.

[@atmartens]

I’m not surprised about the commercial vehicles. The truck and car companies didn’t want to make them because they weren’t making as much as compared to the higher trim levels. Take the Colorado, I’m sure GM makes way more more money on their AT4 then a base white truck. Secondly, interest rates have gone up. Not just on cars but credit cards and mortgages. At some point people can’t afford 70,000K+ trucks. Lastly, no one should ever be paying MSRP for a GM, Ford or Ram/Jeep. They lose so much value, even on top of buying brand new and driving it off the lot. The reliability hasn’t been great. I could understand during Covid when there were shortages and someone was in an accident…. but now it’s just dumb to pay MSRP.

[@majic5zero]

If it's not coming to the U.S., who the Hell cares?!

[@jeffr6280]

Regarding the F-150 Hybrid, comparing Toyota's Hybrid experience and reputation with that of Ford's is truly apples to oranges. I know Andre loved his, but he only had it for a year. Having to deal with combined "down the road" expenses of the ecoboost along with Hybrid tech from a brand that has limited experience in that field requires deep pockets and lots of faith, and the evidence is in the sales figures.

[@garys2157]

Ford has been selling hybrids for more than ten years, and guess where they got their hybrid technology from, here's a hint, the company starts with a "T".

[@ScottDePanfilis]

Not only has our local Ford dealer flowing with 2023 truck models, but their prices are beginning to drop. Some as low as 20% drops, but I think we can do better! Trucks costing over $80,000 are totally F'd

[@stevenbrooks1243]

Absolutely all that extra garbage on new vehicles is so un needed

[@bradcement3068]

Let me help you out. Yes it's true trucks are piling up mainly because they are not affordable. With interest rates that are sky high. Prices that are above 80k for a nicely equipped truck and with dealers marking up the vehicles its a combo for disaster. Inventory is well above 160 days which is absolutely insane.

[@lorneclosson2917]

watching this is like watching the view, get to the point.

[@WheresHerb]

I actually got a very sweet deal during covid. I got more (18-20%) than kbb for my 2014 silverado trade in AND bought a new 2021 Colorado under msrp. Paid no destination charge, they threw in a bed liner and 4 mud flaps and 2 years of SiriusXM.

[@reserva120]

So what - how stupid- that doesn’t even sound real - or it’s was early in the the Communist Chinese virus - and they made a get it out of here deal- either way, a stupid point - not for 99.9 of people.

[@kirkdunn1379]

This was the thing most YT was missing with price increase bashing on new trucks.....they were paying 30% plus more for your trade..... I bought and sold 7 new trucks since 2019. All of em I sold fir either what I paid or made a profit and was able to purchase all of the new ones for below MSRP except 1 which was right @ sticker....purchased 4 half tons and 3 HD 2500s..... It was good time to buy and sell if you did your homework and shopped around

[@chriscozart0620]

Always great content. I'm working on trading in my 2022 Black Diamon Bronco for a new truck and finding that the local dealers are offering $5k - $8k less than what the Kelly Blue Book trade in values are estimated as. The dealers do confirm the market is shifting a bit, but that shift toward lower prices aren't reflected in the pricing of their new Broncos at 5%-10% over MSR and their used Broncos still priced thousands above Kelly Blue book value. Is this an example of dealers trying to have their cake and eat it to?

[@POHLHAMMER]

yuuup.. They want you to give them your old truck , then rape you for their new one. Just went through this. Kept my old truck.

[@michaelgarnett8166]

EV trucks being on the lot for twice as long as ICE trucks could signal consumers aren’t happy with the product, especially for pricing. Aside from the fact I would never pay $100k for a luxury EV truck I can likely only use to tow 150 miles one way, I could essentially buy 2-3 ICE trucks (full or mid-sized) for the price of 1 EV truck. It’d be more manageable if rates were back down to 2-3%, but it’s next to impossible with rates at 6-7%. I understand the need to stay competitive with your competitors, but you can’t completely disregard your customers either.

[@JesseLJohnson]

The dealer I got my Denali Ultimate from had one of those Hummers in the show room. $115k which is the cheapest I ever seen one listed for. It was already sold but the buyer couldn't take it. They said the battery was leaking so they were waiting on GM to ship a new battery. Who knows how long that will take and I swear they said it was $60k to replace which makes sense since I think a battery for a Tesla is like $25-27k to replace.

[@TheNotimprezed]

Look for $20 to $30k incentives on expensive trucks soon. My 2018 f150 msrp was $60k and was $48k with incentives and haggle. It would be $75k for a 2023 of equal spec. There are some uogrades vs 2018 but not $27k better. $55k or I'll drive the 2018 until the wheels fall off. It doesnt matter if the manufacturers intentionally keep supply short, I'll never be in the market for a $70k truck until it has a $20k rebate and 0%apr.

[@roguedogx]

for the car guess, the only things that come to mind are the Toyota Solara and the Mitsubishi eclipse (the really old one) although that might be a 5 speed auto.

[@Dusdaddy]

Yeah, I get tired of people saying you must have diesel to tow. Gassers are fine 90% of the time because most people don't tow that much. You either need the extra capacity or your don't, period.

[@jaysson1151]

Couldn’t agree more. If you’re pulling a 5er or gooseneck long distance, quite often, get the diesel. Even though the gasser may be capable, you’ll lose the convenience of being able to pull into the truck station to fill up and will be forced to share the gasoline pumps with the all of them crossovers and minivans with your long-ass trailer sticking out. Plus, carrying extra fuel is much more difficult with gasoline since the DOT restricts many options for auxiliary fuel tanks. But otherwise, absolutely don’t buy a diesel unless you really need one.

[@ULSB1969]

You guys are always behind with the current news, EVs are not picking up on sales, they are not on par with gasoline engine and hybrid cars, nobody wants all the inconveniences that come with EVs, and the price does not help. EVs are CRAP!!!!

[@Na0uta]

I drive by dealerships and visit them often for work related stuff. I dont see them sitting around much more then before. The supply is pretty normal overall. Maybe a few more 2 or 3 year old ones then before. But that happenes every refresh.

[@stefanfalldorf6573]

As far as I know the new Mitsubishi L200/Triton is co-developed with the new Nissan Navarra (which is not presented yet). Mitsubishi belongs to the Renault-Nissan alliance.

[@yolo_burrito]

Ford could be producing mavericks.

[@jayhiggins5239]

I went looking for a Maverick. I was willing to buy the turbo over the hybrid. Dealer had 7 Bronco Sport they were willing to discount $1000 and zero Mavericks.

[@jeffk464]

@@jayhiggins5239 I think the Maverick is creeping up to the price of a similar equipped Frontier.

[@frankkeel8410]

The Maverick takes to long to build and inam still waiting a year plus

[@randallwood8537]

Sure, there are discounts; but that only removes the dealer add-on markups. The MSRPs are still WAY too high for the average truck buyer. I've been sitting for two years on this, I have no mortgage, and I make a decent living with 4 years to retirement. The trucks I see are not what I want or need. I do not want to buy a truck with a living room inside. I have owned a two Chevy Silverados and a Toyota Tacoma in the last 10 year. All had a dang "Infotainment" system I never even used. My truck does not need to be a wireless hot spot. That is only there so the NSA knows where I am. The interior needs a speedometer, a tachometer, an oil pressure gauge and a volt meter. A gauge to monitor the transmission temperatures would be nice, also. The only other luxuries I might need (other than 4WD) is air conditioning, maybe. I need the money in the engine, suspension and transmission. What do all these gizmos add to the price, and are they value added? I do not believe so. If you pay over $50,000 you are being shucked. My 2019 Tacoma TRD Off Road stickered at $38,521 with a Reese type trailer hitch. And it towed a trailer with 2500 lbs. on it regularly without issue. And it had gizmos I never used. Until manufacturers understand what truck guys want (not city boys with their need for toys) they will not get our segment to swallow a $1200 dollar a month truck payment. And I can afford that (unlike most working men). And I do not want it.

[@jayhiggins5239]

There are plenty Bronco Sports available with 1.5L engines. If Ford has these engines available and not the hybrid, why not put them in FWD Mavericks?

[@gearshiv]

They are next year the 1.5 is the standard and the hybrid is a $1500 option

[@patricklondon6006]

Jeep needs to turn the four door Jeep into a two door pickup truck. I think they would sell better than the Gladiator.

[@scottbionicnerf8727]

That "new-rover" is unlike any other truck on the market, accept that it sure looks like a JEEP.!??! At a quick glance, most people in this country are going to mistake it for that. And let's not mention the 2 other versions of that same idea from Hummer.🤨😬

[@MidSouthUTV]

Thank you for finally answering Gas vs Diesel (which I know you have in the past) but just orders a new 2024 GMC 2500HD SLT Gasser in June and it should be here in September according to the dealer. It should be built the first week of August. I don't tow long distance. The longest I may tow is around 3 to 4 hours (one way) and this rare. And the worst towing terrain I would be going over is the Ozark Mountains. I just looked at it this way, if a mid-size truck that I like is pushing mid $60K and the half-ton trucks are the same price as a HD truck. Why not get the extra towing of a HD Truck. I would rather have the towing capacity more than I need and be stable on the road with a trailer than get a truck that would be closer to the max towing of what I need. Is this going over board with a truck. Probably, but with all the trucks no matter what size you get are so close in cost, I rather go over what I truly need than pay overprice. And I I'm getting the gooseneck prep package, just in case I need it in the future or for resale value (but I don't plan to sell it). I currently have a 2002 Ford F-150 2WD 5.4L and I've owned it since 2004 (when I started my first year of college). I have driven a RAM HD 6.4L Hemi with a gooseneck across the Ozarks (the long way) and it worked exactly how I wanted it. So I hope this new GMC 10-speed HD does the same. I have always wanted a Ford Super Duty or RAM HD, but I've been pricing and watching yours and multiple videos on the new GMC/Chevy HD trucks for MONTHS, and studying the HD Gas Trucks for YEARS. I hope I made the right choice, but it will be day & night to what I am use to with my 2002 F-150.

[@leecowell8165]

the problem with gassers is that they ain't built very tough. You need to keep loading down and especially in mountainous terrain. Diesels in contrast are designed from the ground up for big loading. I would NOT put a goosneck hitch in a gasser I can tell you that! Just the braking in hill country would be enough to dissuade me from doing something like that. Diesels also get 40% better mileage than a gasser and that disparity grows substantially if you're yanking stuff around. BTW I drive a 2000, F350 7.3 stick with the 4.1 ratio that I could easily pull 15k up to pikes peak.

[@RodneyDunlap-m6n]

Yes at my local Ford dealership here in Bessemer Alabama Town & Country Ford has I lot full of Mostly F-150s ove 400 trucks

[@bostondan77]

I love the Lightning- the speed, the frunk, filling up at home, but it's like Roman has said in the past- it's all about choice. If I had to tow long distances or if I road tripped long distances regularly then I would chose something else. For my needs (mostly a city truck); hauling the kids bikes around, driving to work, going to storage, going the the dump, Lowe's, etc. it's been by far the best truck I've owned.

[@jeffk464]

That was always the job of the Tacoma, now you are seeing some decent mid sized trucks that aren't Tacoma's. I drove a Lighting and really liked the acceleration and all the driver assist features. But, and its a Woopie Goldberg sized but, the thing was too damn heavy, it felt kind of like driving the detached truck of a tractor trailer. The thing is huge and weighs over 8,000 lbs. Tacoma's don't feel that way, they actually feel a little sprots, acceptable as a daily driver.

[@bostondan77]

@@jeffk464 Lightning Pro base weight is 6,000 lbs if you add extendend range battery it’s 6,400lbs. A fully loaded platinum with large wheels and extended range battery is 6,800. I’ve owned a Ram Limited with air suspension and the Lightning drives better- the independent suspension and balanced weight fits it well IMO.

[@ronaldking1054]

@@jeffk464 Its GWVR is 8250. That means that 8250 lbs. is all that you can put into the truck. It has a payload rating over 1,000 lbs.

[@BC08]

@@jeffk464 Subjective opinion. In my subjective opinion Tacomas usually feel like flimsily-built death traps. They don’t feel like they are going to break down but they feel like you’ll lose a high percentage of “wreck encounters” out on the road.

[@jeffk464]

@@BC08 There's a shoe for every foot

[@jellydick5839]

There are at least two dozen KZbin channels dedicated to doom and gloom on dealership lots. Wake me when the the Big Three start dropping their new truck prices by 20%.

[@XXPS60]

Be careful pointing this out to these latecomers to the news.......... They are TOUCHY when you point how how far behind they are.....................

[@jayhiggins5239]

Took the words out of my mouth.

[@jellydick5839]

@@XXPS60 They must be hard up for content.

[@JesseLJohnson]

Seeing quite a few dealers lowering prices here. There are still plenty tacking on $5-10k seen some adding even over that as a market adjustment. The MFGs aren't about to drop MSRP by 20% that is never happening but dealers are starting to sell under full MSRP again. Especially the GM dealers it seems. They are the ones around here that have the most inventory as far as trucks go. The Ford dealers have quite a few too but basically just mid level trucks none of the dealers here have any King Ranch, Limited, or Platinum just the Raptors, fleet, or mid level. None of the luxury stuff. The Rams are there but not nearly as many as the other MFGs. Hardly any Nissan trucks but they don't sell any of those anyway. Not that many Toyotas really either. The main Toyota dealer here has more used stuff from other brands than anything. They have a bunch of Escalades at the Toyota lot lol. Honda dealer doesn't have much of anything either.

[@propertypreparedness6846]

I stopped selling trucks in 2019... we always had 220+ vehicles on the lot. That was mandated. If you added the overflow and cars in for maintenance or repair was more like 270. During normal times, managers want the LOTS FULL! This is not a result of none selling.

[@propertypreparedness6846]

Have a buddy in the Midwest still selling. He's selling 19+ vehicles a month..still.

[@TheFarmersLife]

Our local GM dealer had a almost totally empty lot for nearly a year. They had 2 or 3 used cars at one point. They said by October they had actually exceeded sales of the entire previous year. Just every new vehicle ordered got prepped and went straight to it's new home.

[@PeterSierra]

The CaaS (cars as a service) model should not exist. That’s why they’re pivoting to all things electric.

[@wayneowens4761]

got my 2023 Silverado 4x4 custom 2.7, before taxes 42,500. MSRP was 52. They are dealing in San Diego

[@propertypreparedness6846]

Diesel stores for 7 years with additives..we know how long it stores. Gas is 2 years best.

[@davidlusk4350]

Sold my 2018 loaded Hd 2500 to carmax for nice profit. Bought my new 2022 4 runner last year, looking at the new Lexus GX but for these intrest rates and boosted msrp in the past few years. Might be singing i love what you do for me toyota .... for many more years to come😅😂

[@hartsickdisciple]

The EVs cost so much to manufacturer that automakers are losing money on each unit sold in most cases. They can't afford to drop prices on them, and buyers can't afford to purchase them. They're not viable products.

[@GeorgeJFW]

I picked up a 2018 tundra about 3 months ago I had been looking for a pick up for months and finally found a decent deal. Love the truck by the way 👌

[@upperechelon3456]

Yep. I purchased a tundra back in 2017 brand new. It's one of the best vehicles I have ever owned. And I've owned a few in my day.😅

[@jayhiggins5239]

Mitsubishi once sold as a Dodge Ram50. Then Fontier sold as a Suzuki & Dakota sold as a Mitsubishi. Frontier will now sell as a Mitsubishi. What will be a new midsize Ram? - Nothing because Stellantis is commited to the Grand Wagoneer.

[@JCreole]

Hold the line….don’t buy right now.

[@Teamvenomracing]

If you want to know what people are willing to pay for a truck, just look at pre orders! Pretty much every EV truck out there is sold our pre ordered. This means people are willing to pay big money for what they want. The big issue is not ICE vs EV; The big issue is the huge mark up on gas/diesel trucks in the last 5 plus years and you are getting nothing extra! Period.

[@dr.emilschaffhausen4683]

My local Toyota dealers have started selling Samsung appliances. Okay, not really, but if they do I thought of it first!

[@jaysson1151]

If you’re pulling a 5er or gooseneck long distance, quite often, get the diesel. Even though the gasser may be capable, you’ll lose the convenience of being able to pull into the truck station to fill up and will be forced to share the gasoline pumps with the all of them crossovers and minivans with your long-ass trailer sticking out. Plus, carrying extra fuel is much more difficult with gasoline since the DOT restricts many options for auxiliary fuel tanks. But otherwise, absolutely don’t buy a diesel unless you really need one.

[@sterlingbrown3722]

Toyota solar my mom had one. Loved that car but sad it was consider a girl car.

[@TFLtalk]

Congrats you got it!

[@sterlingbrown3722]

@@TFLtalk nice!!! Tell Andre to put the top down and cruise everyday! And he probably has cruise control right now 😳😂😂.

[@jayhiggins5239]

Yes. The fate of the RX as well. Great car, feminine lines. RX driver - female. GX driver - male.

[@bret9741]

I have a theory. I believe the costs are high because several things but not what we’re being told. (1) collusion between manufacturers. They’re pushing up prices together and restricting supply on vehicle people really want. (2) government green tzar has mandated EV’s instead of hybrids and EV’s are not ready for mainstream truck buyers. The losses at Ford, GM, RAM are mandated to build EV’s and the losses on these vehicles are terrible. It’s taking $20,000 on every ICE truck subsidize the EV losses. (3) federal government is paying nearly a trillion dollars a year in various substantial disability programs and welfare programs. The average payout is $6500 a month. Many enlisted leaving the military receive benefits for male pattern baldness (unbelievable but true) unknown pain or breathing issues (all blamed on service time in Afghanistan and Iraq that the military must prove the claims are false but cannot so they just auto pay the claims) and PTSD. Literally everyone serving near a combat zone is claiming PTSD. There are soldiers who never say combat receiving $20,000 a month in disability based on claims that the military can’t prove are true or false. Medicare sees $200,000,000 billions in fraud every year. The point is all the above are driving prices up.. inflation and fraudulent welfare type policies.

[@patricksimoneau7647]

Idk where I’m at in Canada, people are posting, and selling 2017 f350 lariats with 300,000kms (186500 miles) for $55k Or a 2023 from the dealership with no mileage for $105-115k The msrp for a lariat in 2017 was $63k so keep a truck for 6 years, bag tf out of it through the oilfield (alberta) then sell it with a bunch of miles for just under what you bought it for? Absolute wild. I’d rather pay the $115k for a new one cause 1. Just my truck, brings me around $70k ish a year. That’s above and beyond my regular wage. 2. Nice fresh warranty for any bs that magically pops up. And 3. Driving at least 2500 miles a month, it’s nice to be in something you like.

[@bret9741]

Although there are more trucks on lots here in N Ohio… it’s not a lot…. not close to near full lots. As a matter of fact last week I went shopping and there were no high end pickups on the lots. Ford had seems to be limiting the luxury trucks in Ohio. On the Ford lots there were, combined three dealerships, a total of about 50 XL, STX, and XLT trucks. These varied greatly in levels of options. There wasn’t a single panoramic sunroof available and the prices ranged from just under $50,000 to just over $67,000 for a pretty loaded XLT 4x4 3.5. There were discounts on many of the trucks but not all. I’m looking for a Platinum or maybe a Tremor absolutely loaded. Oh, there were a several mid level Raptors and about 20 Lightnings. On the Chevy lots there isn’t any High Country but there were a few LTZ and ZR2 trucks. If I get Chevy it will be the High Country with the diesel. I only made it to one GM lot. It actually had 8-9 1500 Denalis and Denali Ultimate. I’ve noticed, at least in Ohio, GMC dealers don’t carry anything but Denali, AT4 and lately an occasional AT4. There was an AT4X dealer truck for sale. Ram… I’m not sure what has happened to RAM. There literally aren’t any luxury or even Laramie base luxuries trucks. I haven’t seen a HD or 1500 limited, limited Longhorn in almost three years except for ordered trucks being cleaned up for delivery. Yes more trucks on the lots but many 1/4 the number I could find before COVID. I may take delivery on the TESLA truck and get it wrapped in my company colors. It will be an eye catching oddity

[@southbay1279]

My experience with Ford dealers in Northern California has been comical. The dealers refuse to take orders for vehicles, are lying to customers about availability, and are driving sales for heavily marked up base model vehicles. A base model Ford Explorer is marketed at $56,995 in San Jose. 😂

[@leecowell8165]

never heard of going atta state, huh?

[@dennisgauck7526]

A $100,000+ pickup truck is a psss poor investment in anybody's portfolio. The current crop of trucks are obscenely oversized four doors and the brick styling for me is just plain ugly. Why can't manufacturers build a smaller, simple 2 door ,less expensive truck without all of the electronic gizzmometry ? Even the Toyota Tacoma is as big or larger as my 2000 Chevrolet 1500 Silverado 2 door,hand crank windows,v6 and automatic; why? Price and practicality should drive the pickup market, not glitz and glamor!

[@MustafarRecRoom]

I stopped by one of the local Ford dealers over the weekend and they had at least twenty F150 Lightnings on the lot…all with $85 - $100K (CAD) + sticker prices. It’s laughable…. The cheapest F150 on the lot was a $64K XL work truck spec….no wonder they’re sitting on the lot. Fleet sales will buoy overall sales for only so long….

[@edkonstantellis9094]

Just to be have some fun... I'm getting sick of hearing "Silverado" in every third new country song and the designer of the GM pick-ups, with the sledge hammer front end has Peterbilt envy. WAY overcompesating😂 At 6-2 I need a chair to check the oil

[@Woburn-RoxburyMedia]

Seems like most "Use Cases" I see are Dudes buying/driving shinny, big rigs, to impress someone. Or perhaps to overcompensate for some kind of "Short-coming"... just sayin' ! These Rigs represent the majority of Profit Margins for car manufactures. They perpetuate the "Need" for these, to those who often have little or no "Need" Use-Case.

[@billw8476]

IN MY AREA pickups in general are selling slowly, but EV pickups are not selling AT ALL....people are doing more research these days BEFORE they buy at these inflated prices.

[@TodoNFamilia]

Guys A loose question, I understand that we are going through an economic crisis, but I want to know, so that I can make a good purchase, what would be the percentage for a vehicle normally in the dealer,...? I hope in 2024 to change my two legs for a 4x4

[@henrymiecz8566]

Why are we listening to this show when Roman doesn't even know how to close a hood. Literally just look up the 2024 Tacoma review in Hawaii and watch Roman not know how to close a hood after being an "expert" for so many years. Why are we listening to these people?

[@seanchartier486]

So no gms? 2nd best seller, I think and don't cover it. Like you guys but watched just for GMC. That's why I don't watch these podcasts talking about trucks you can't buy in us and exclude gm.

[@vancity_coaster]

I think hybrids would sell better and possibly EV as well if brands do better with overall reliability because we’re undergoing module hell currently lol. Reliability is slipping in brands, big time. I’m a tech who moved on from being a full time mechanic 10 plus years ago. because of the no fun no continuity piece meal work environment. supply is creating a false reliability narrative as well, because for the most part a quick warranty fix is a good customer experience. And waiting for weeks months or even 10 days is a bummer. Great chat as always and no I didn’t miss Nathan, well maybe a bit lol . I’m currently trading a bolt for a new hybrid maverick as the commuter if that’s a trend we’re seeing.

[@bimastrike87]

Roman has the worst laugh 😆

[@gregmoessner3104]

Dr. Giggles, insane. I despise people who laugh at their own jokes

[@DKosu48]

I like hybrid trucks. Ford doesn't offer thiers in XL or XLT only in the upper trim levels. Will you do a review of a hybrid f150 vs a non hybrid f150 pulling the same trailer?

[@carloscarter9429]

Dealerships need to go away permanently. The crazy price hikes and mark ups are ridiculous. Manufacturers need to go to direct to consumers like Tesla. Purchasing a new car should be a positive experience, however for most people it’s the worst experience. I along with so may other people hate going to dealerships.

[@a94cobra]

The market for an electric vehicle is niche. That demand is now becoming satisfied. EVs sales are going to be crap going forward. Great idea on the basic truck. But so many rules and regs it just won't happen. Look at what's happening with the maverick. Dealers are ruining it.

[@gc1172]

Where are trucks piling up and what brand? Nothing on the lots in my town nor nearby within 100 miles. Local Chevy dealer had ten come in the other day so I checked and NO, all sold and finally got delivery. They had some dozen on order, sold.

[@larrylucas5731]

Well, goofy is back in black.

[@sgomez3047]

10 minutes and then gave up!! Let's get on with it and do the video. Wanted to hear the contexts, but i don't have over an hour to sit and hear the bantering...so you say, "Don't watch the vid" I'm good with that. Have a great day

[@stevegarcia2962]

Looked at a 2023 At4x priced at 93,000...wtf!? Seriously...for 100k that thing better make me sandwiches.

[@billw8476]

my local ford dealer has an ev ford pick-up sitting in the lot since spring. ford forced it on him. we have a running pool out in the shop as to when it will get sold. probably after the snow flies, it will be sold at auction for a loss. sooner or later the democrats will have to realize that these things will not be forced upon us, we are a free people, regardless of "mandates" and govt. over reach

[@jasonmurdoch9936]

I'll save you over an hour watching this video yes all the American companies have countless supply of trucks NeverEnding acres of them

[@off-roadingexplained8417]

Yes .... Trucks are piling up at dealer lots. I drive by two dealerships every single day without fail. They keep changing out the inventory trying to see if they can sell something else. So most recently they have swapped out Nissan frontier trucks for Nissan altimas at the dealership close to where I live. I'm also about a block from a Jeep dealership and they are piling up there also. Tons of used Jeep Wranglers etc are piling up running out of room. What's kind of strange is that the same time they appear to be renovating the dealerships I guess because sales are slow and they might as well do it now with the coronavirus money... Not sure what That is all about but they do appear to also be renovating in spite of the vehicle pile up which is strange maybe for a tax write off... who knows? For what it's worth I live in the wealthiest area in my state. So that's not the issue... So if they're not selling where I live they're not selling anywhere.

[@randallwood8537]

$80,000 for a truck is just insanity. Who pays for that. Genzers wtih unrealistic expectations? Gen Xers are smarter than that.

[@nothingtoseaheardammit]

The Ford dealership right down the road from me has more vehicles than they have room. They've started parking their excess inventory in the middle school parking lot across the street... Also Tesla has a history of blatantly lying to the public. They've had a department dedicated to canceling service requests that their disgruntled customers scheduled due to the stupid things not getting their advertised range - or anything close to it.

[@johnmeeboer8971]

I think some areas people have more and make more money. Those areas have no stock. Here in Canada where I live there are lots for stock on the big three but on Toyota it is only what is sold that shows on the lots.

[@bradleylayton1741]

The reason the delta between gas and diesel is coming closer together has to do with a few things. One cheaper to front, two gas is now cheaper than diesel, gas engines get better fuel economy when not towing, the emissions garbage taking life away from diesels so they no longer last longer than gas engines, and lastly is the fact with the emissions stuff now it’s horrible to commute with a diesel.

[@Rottingboards]

WELLLL, Are the pickup's REALLY piling up. >>>for the love of god! Talk about the title!

[@fastcat210]

Can y'all please review full size and mid size trucks that the normal person can afford please . Not everyone can a afford high trim vehicles