Are Protestants Guilty for Rejecting Catholicism? (Ralph Martin)

[@jgr7487]

This was the point of the podcast when I thought: Matt Fredd should invite Matt Whirman from Ten Minute Bible Hour, who has visited pretty much every denomination in the USA, for a chat at Pints with Aquinas.

[@Rose19695]

Matt and Matt did get together! It was from that episode that I learned about Pints with Aquinas.

[@BobbyBobBob-d5l]

POPE BENEDICT XVI: “St. Peter Canisius (1500s) knew how to defend Catholic doctrine without launching personal attacks on those who disagreed. In a historical period marked by strong tensions, he avoided giving into disrespect and angry rhetoric. This was rare at that time of disputes between Christians.” Pope Benedict said that St. Peter insisted that there was a difference between willfully turning away from the faith and the “loss of faith that was not a person’s fault under the circumstances, and he declared to Rome that the majority of Germans who passed to Protestantism were without fault.”

[@johnfisher4262]

Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation. That’s a well established dogma of the faith. Ratzinger was a heretic.

[@johnfisher4262]

Ratzinger is the real name of “Benedict”

[@BobbyBobBob-d5l]

@@johnfisher4262 Of course. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger became Pope Benedict XVI.

[@BillyMNeitz]

I was a prot that found the new atheists' arguments convincing. Then I had a child and I wanted them to go to church like I did, but I was had already gave prots a chance so I tried catholicism. I'll be entering rcia soon.

[@alfonstabz9741]

welcome to the Universal Church home of the complete Christian faith.

[@theoverreactor8731]

I am the exact opposite, I find that Catholic beliefs that must be held, such as the perpetual virginity of Mary, her assumption, and a differing view of salvation are not Biblical. So this pulls me more towards Protestantism.

[@alfonstabz9741]

@@theoverreactor8731 you obviously did not read catholic catechism and catholic apologetic. you probably heard catholic doctrines from non catholic sources who interprets our doctrine in their misunderstood manner. try listening to catholic channels like catholic answer or council of trent. breaking in the habit is also good source listen to catholics who knows our doctrine not to protestants who thinks they know our doctrine. so many resources channels in youtube.

[@pierrepincet4442]

@@theoverreactor8731 Don't you believe Our Lord established a visible and invisible Church to pass down his teachings? Also, where does it say in the Bible that you should only put your faith in what's in the Bible? Also also, was christianity dead before the Bible itself was eventually put together in the IVth century?

[@theoverreactor8731]

@@pierrepincet4442 Basically what I was saying was that if something is non-Biblical, and that a teaching is contra to Christ's and his apostles' teachings in scripture, then I would personally reject that teaching. For example, the immaculate conception of Mary, which is the view that Mary was conceived without original sin or stain, seems to entail that she was without sin, which seems to contradict 1 John 1:8 and Romans 3. Scripture also just doesn't talk about the immaculate conception as defined in the Roman Catholic Church.

[@tshroob2467]

As an apologist who was raised Protestant and is more than happy to explore different denominations to try and understand how they interpret the faith, I have to say that Catholics have a tough sell because it's just a much bigger project than many denominations, with so much history, tradition, and doctrine. Some of us _are_ happy to take the time to learn because our ultimate goal is the pursuit of truth, but frankly you have a worse problem than required reading or boring parishes. The truth is I never feel respected by you guys. I often find myself trying to back you up as a major pillar of Christendom, but it's just _never_ reciprocal. With modern secularism trying its hardest to wipe Christianity from the culture, it's not uncommon for me to come to your defense, be it through debunking inflated statistics about corruption in the Catholic church, passionately insisting that the Catholic church is the most philanthropic organization in history, praising how you revolutionized art, education, philosophy, science, etc. It's easy to hype myself up about your many contributions to the faith and the world, because I know the broad strokes, and that would normally be enough to spur me into some deep research about the details, but then every time I turn around, you're just muttering about how my prayers, studies, and personal relationship with God are all probably illegitimate because I haven't converted yet. It's insulting. I want to be on your team, but you either don't want to be on mine or you somehow want this weird indentured servitude set up, where I come to bat for you when the enemy is nearby but you insist I'm illegitimate, delusional, and probably damned every second we aren't fending off attacks from modern secularism. Granted, maybe I'm a unique case, because I've also spent a decent amount of time defending Catholicism from other Protestants, some of whom insist that most Catholics are too steeped in ritual and don't have a real relationship with God, but that just makes your own snide speculation about my salvation feel all the more treacherous. Whatever the case, when it comes to my personal experience, podcasts like Pints with Aquinas have steadily transitioned from an educational resource for my apologetics studies to perhaps the single biggest obstacle preventing my full exploration of the Catholic faith. I think it's probably fair to say that your channel is doing more harm than good for me at this point, even by your own logic, so unfortunately this is my farewell. It's been quite the ride, Matt. I'm sure I'll take a walk on the _other_ side of the 95 theses some day, and I might even decide to stay. But if that happens, it will be precisely _because_ I left your channel. That's just my personal testimony. Keep going where you feel the Spirit leading you. God bless.

[@davidbroz6755]

I think I understand you. I have been a lifelong Protestant. I converted about a year ago (at 58) and this spring I was accepted into the Catholic Church. But I am from the Czech Republic, which is one of the most irreligious countries in the world (only 20% profess Christianity and 82% of Christians are Catholics). The situation in the US is different. Catholics are a minority here. So they probably have a stronger need to defend their faith against Protestants. It is also unlikely that we can expect a strong emphasis on ecumenism in the apologetic channel. But in general, ecumenism has its limits on the Catholic side. Protestants mostly share the idea of ​​the one Church of Christ only as a mystical body. This means that the true Church is not an organization, but the sum of true Christians (and only God knows for sure who is a true Christian). This approach is logical, because there are thousands of Protestant churches and they usually recognize each other (they often have a problem with Catholics - a typical approach is that individual Catholics can be true Christians despite the fact that they are in the Catholic Church, which preaches many "unbiblical heresies"). The Catholic approach is the opposite. Christ's Church is the one that is apostolic (i.e. has a continuous tradition from the apostles) and has a clear structure of bishops headed by the Pope (successor of St. Peter). The emergence of Protestantism was therefore a terrible mistake (actually a schism). A Protestant is a Christian, but he is "outside" not "inside". A Protestant therefore cannot participate in Catholic sacraments. I remember how offended I was when a Catholic priest explained to me why I could not receive the Eucharist. It was not enough that I shared the belief in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. The priest explained that the Catholic Church does not allow Protestants to receive the Eucharist because it wants to express the fact that they are not in true unity with the One Church (i.e. the Catholic). Ecumenism from a Catholic perspective is the position that we are all Christians (and we should respect each other in love, cooperate, etc.), but logically not the position that all Christian denominations are equal. Schism is a sin and the emergence of Protestantism was a schism (of course, historically it was a sin on both sides. The Catholic side was guilty of violence, among other things). But a priori questioning your relationship with God, prayers, salvation...just because you are a Protestant is illegitimate. This is God's business. And according to the binding teaching of the Catholic Church, Protestants are also Christians, they can be saved and the gifts of the Holy Spirit are manifested among them (see the conclusions of the Second Vatican Council). But there are radicals on both sides (many Protestants do not even consider Catholics to be Christians).

[@markmeyer4532]

Hear hear.

[@Tishomingo640]

I've been a Christian since 1971, raised in the Episcopal Church (before it went apostate). Became a Catholic around 2000. You are spot on! I try and get answers from Clergy on whether Christians other than Roman Catholics can be saved, because there is so much contradictory doctrine. I get vague double talk and if I press the issue, hostility.

[@Tishomingo640]

@@davidbroz6755 Thank you for clear thoughts.

[@gregnorthway3814]

Few can be truly obedient to all of God's truths my friend.

[@paulsmallwood1484]

A PROTESTANT RESPONSE. Of course the question is based on a false premise namely that the Christian communion led by the pope and the Holy Catholic Church are in fact one and the same. They are not. ALL the redeemed are fully united to Christ and his one true church. There is no other church. Hence all Christians are catholic. Protestants subscribe to what is taught in the Nicene Creed. They reject outright any notion that they are not part of Christ’s church, namely The Holy Catholic Church. Therefore they do not reject Christ’s one true church. To suggest otherwise is utterly false. We differ over how Christ’s one true church is recognized in the world not over whether are not there is only one true church of which Christ is the head. We also differ over who belongs to the one true church. Your position on this is sectarian in that you want to falsely unchurch millions of Christians around the world and falsely claim that they are outside of Christ’s church. That is utter nonsense. Mr. Martin totally equivocated and dodged the question when asked if Protestants are going to hell. What he didn’t say speaks volumes in his response. The truth is that actually he thinks more than likely that they will go to hell but he covers himself with the old “but I am not God so I don’t know for sure” dodge. True believers and true local churches exist in all legitimate Christian traditions (including the Christian communion led by the pope).

[@shay-car]

Well said.

[@venture7486]

Lol, no. Just because YOU think you're a part of the "one true church" doesn't mean you ARE. The Bible teaches that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth, and yet how can there be truth in all these Protestant churches when they differ so much in doctrine? This is not what the early Christians preach. They all taught that in order to be united with Christ's church, you needed to be subject to a church and bishop that trace back to the apostles via apostolic succession. Any joe schmoe can start a church and preach false doctrines, so it stands to reason that in order to be assured that the doctrines that are being taught are of the truth, the church should have a lineage that traces back to the apostles. And you can't just accept the Nicene Creed and think that satisfies your membership and neglect ALL the other ecumenical councils that anathematize you if you do not subscribe to the apostolic doctrines they teach, such as the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, all the Sacraments, water baptism and infant baptism, mariology, veneration of icons, etc. If any Protestant is saved, it will be because they are invisibly united to the Roman Catholic Church and are saved only by their ignorance.

[@paulsmallwood1484]

@ Lol! No, just because YOU think that I am not doesn’t mean squat either my friend. Your anti-biblical,screed was just your own personal little rant signifying nothing.

[@SolaPastora]

@@paulsmallwood1484I believe you are wrong. You believe I’m wrong for thinking that. - to settle this dispute, we should take it up with the elders to decide. Let me know when you’re available to “take it to the church” like Jesus taught us. OUR bishop is 3 miles from me. We’ll ask him who’s wrong and we can settle the disagreement. :)

[@isaiah3127]

Kneel to Rome

[@carolinecraig1786]

Love this. I was thinking about Cornelius in Acts 10. The Lord knew him, knew his heart, knew he loved Him, and led him to a fuller understanding of the truth.

[@tjseaney_]

This was a great clip. I think what Matt said about 'Christ didn't die to send people on some historical fact-checking journey or to be overcome by analysis by paralysis is spot on." There is something very tangible and simple about the Christian faith. I think it would help Catholics to provide some argument, with simplicity at the forefront. I think the Catholic vision for reviving the Eucharist has been helpful for protestants coming to Catholicism. It made Catholicism more Christo-centric. This allures me to the Catholic faith. I have a desire to be Catholic more than I have a desire to be Protestant. However, I consistently run into roadblocks where I will hear something and just be entirely thrown off guard and think, "There is no way I could believe that." Just in this clip, I heard that Mary manifested herself to the Aztec people and that is what brought about mass conversion in the face of the conquistadors. WHAT? For me, there is a level of "conspiracy" let's call it, in the Catholic faith, that leaves me always questioning whether it is NECESSARY to join it.

[@katdunn7934]

@tjseaney_ when he mentioned Mary and the Aztecs, he's talking about Our Lady of Guadalupe. Have you seen the tilma with her image on it? Have you read or seen any documentaries about this? Yes, it sounds odd to you, but with so many who at that time had witnessed this, it was quite real. That tilma left behind with her image on it is quite remarkable. There is no way to explain how it was created, except for God doing it. There are just many mysteries and many miracles. I believe Mary is here to help guide us toward Jesus, because He has said He won't return until the end of time. In the meantime, God let's Mary intercede as a motherly figure to guide us to Jesus.

[@tjseaney_]

@ I’ll study this more. I still struggle with the whole go through (mediation) Mary thing. Jesus is our great high priest. I have direct access to him as Hebrews talks about.

[@jimrichens665]

@@katdunn7934 nonsense.

[@Obedience33]

​@@katdunn7934Amen

[@Obedience33]

​@@tjseaney_The Bible verse "Do whatever he tells you" appears in John 2:5: John 2:5: "His mother said to the servants, 'Do whatever he tells you'"...The first miracle of Jesus Christ And The Holy Mother was The mediator.

[@crazyedswonderfulworldofso9370]

Matt needs to work on his interviewing skills. He posed a question to Dr. Martin but repeatedly interrupted, essentially answering it himself. This approach undermined the discussion and made it difficult for meaningful dialogue to develop. Additionally, this has to be one of the weakest discussions of the doctrine 'outside the Church there is no salvation' I’ve ever encountered. Both gentlemen would benefit from a deeper understanding of the doctrine, as their portrayal here-suggesting that 'everyone gets into Heaven as long as they have a good reason'-is misleading. Christ founded only one Church, and what they describe does not align with the concept of invincible ignorance - not even close. Sheesh!

[@Rorschached]

@@crazyedswonderfulworldofso9370 Agreed. This ultimately seemed to be Matt disagreeing with Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus on the grounds of “bad Catholic parishes exist, therefore, that’s not fair.”

[@Hafstrom1845]

This was a good video, as a Lutheran that has been feeling a pull towards the apostolic churches I certainly feel I suffer from analysis paralysis. The Catholic church is very small in my country, and I have not felt welcomed when I have visited the local church where I live. I’ve tried talking to the priests after the evening mass I’ve attended, but they always disappear as soon as the mass is over. I even sent them an email that I am interested to learn more about the catholic faith, but I never got a reply. It’s a little bit difficult to navigate what to do next, just going to a Lutheran or Anglican church seems much more welcoming, still I am more and more questioning things such as sola fide.

[@landrypierce9942]

I’m sorry to hear that. I went through a similar experience a few years ago, but the Catholic Church in my area is wonderful, has a beautiful, welcoming community, and responded to my email within an hour. I can’t say I fully understand your situation, but after all I have been through with this, I encourage you to keep trying and see for yourself.

[@EmmaBerger-ov9ni]

I can relate, me and my husband have been studying catholicism a lot and finally he came to the point of being ready to email a local priest about his questions. It's been months and he never received an answer. Now he's moved on and I'm still seeking the truth. I just have to believe that God's timing is not mine, and for some reason this was not the time to get deeper into our search for truth in the catholic church. At the end of the day, I think this shouldn't just be an intellectual journey, but a spiritual one as well, so I pray that God would lead us where He wants us to be.

[@SolaPastora]

Sounds like a bad deal based on location. I see some happy priests, and some sad priests. I pray for them all. Some deal with depression or temptation just as we do. -- if OCIA isn’t too much of an obligation, maybe give that a shot. Also a location “roll of the dice” if you get a good experience. - they say not to make a church a “sacrament factory” but if spiritual guidance is unavailable, then that’s what it has to become. The Most Blessed Sacrament is why people convert/stay.

[@Hafstrom1845]

@@landrypierce9942 , Thank you.

[@Hafstrom1845]

@@SolaPastora , yeah no one has been rude in any way, just unresponsive. In the email I sent to the parish I asked if I could get some more information about the OCIA (they didn’t call it OCIA, but from the description on their website it is what it sounded like) than what was mentioned on their website, but they never responded to my message.

[@timrichardson4018]

As a former protestant, I yearn for the salvation of my protestant family. I truly believe many, if not all, of my family are not in a position to be open to the Catholic Church. I also feel that me bringing it up all the time often does more harm than good. I know I can live the faith as an example and speak about it when the situation calls for it. I am hopeful that God has mercy on them for their ignorance and accepts the faith they do have. I say that with a chuckle because I pray the same prayer for myself. I may be in the one, Holy, Catholic, and apostolic Church. But that doesn't make me any less a sinner in need of Christ's mercy. It doesn't make me any better or necessarily more knowledgeable. It doesn't mean I'm more virtuous. Although, it does mean I have full access to the grace I need to become all of those good things.

[@jamesms4]

Martin gives the right answer "It is not up to us. It is up to God to judge their culpability." But I would add the view of Pope Pius IX who said and I paraphrase from memory. We should not use the existence of persons saved by extra ordinary grace as a pretense not to preach the Gospel. As we cannot in principle know whom among the non-believers qualifies or not.

[@EddyRobichaud]

Rejecting their doctrine absolutely not guilty.

[@christophermatthewlee]

Something often missing from this conversation: someone dying in mortal sin even if they have invincible ignorance. Invincible ignorance only shields them from punishment regarding not accepting Catholicism. However, one can still sin gravely against their conscience even if they’ve never heard the term “mortal sin” when it comes to matters of natural law, and the only way someone can be forgiven in that case is through a perfect act of contrition. This is already very rare for most super faithful Catholics to make, but imagine if you are Protestant or non-Christian - it’s so incredibly unlikely. Lacking the fullness of revelation, or even revelation in general, will make for all sorts of temptations and lack of guard rails on the path of righteousness and developing the pure heart necessary to be open to the promptings of God that could theoretically take place in a remote way in someone’s conscience. Ultimately, God can choose to save anyone at any level of ignorance of the truth or hardness of heart, but that becomes the exception rather than the rule. At the end of the day, we have to rest in the fact that God gives everyone, well formed Catholic or ignorant non-Catholic, every chance they could’ve had to choose Him in whatever way they knew how to do. The bigger mystery is not why do X or Y proportion of people get saved vs damned, but why does God allow anyone to be damned in the first place?

[@jimilong1]

It's hard for me to believe the amish are damned to hell but LGBT priests doing mass in rainbow colored outfits are in good standing with the church/god.

[@jdub3999]

No one is damned to hell. If we are breathing we have time to repent. The Catholic Church does not believe or teach that only Catholics go to heaven.

[@PonderingThought-ke6qb]

Nowhere in this video did they even imply that...

[@jdub3999]

@@PonderingThought-ke6qb What Catholics believe is available to research in the Catechism.

[@1Hope4All]

No one said that an LGBT Priest doing Mass in rainbow colored outfits are in good standing with the Church, nor with God. No Catholic has ever said that. Those LGBT rainbow colored Masses are illicit. But if the Priest used correct form and matter, even wearing LGBT colored rainbow outfits, the Eucharist is still valid. The only way that the Eucharist can be rendered invalid is if the proper form or matter was not used.

[@1Hope4All]

But don't get me wrong, Carl. I would never be going to any LGBT Masses, ever.

[@jeffspruance9388]

The problem we find is that there doesn’t seem to be a good evidence that Christ established the Catholic Church as THE Church. There is a verse about “the rock”, which is quite ambiguous but seems to be pointing to the revelation from Christ in the verses prior, not Peter being the rock. Furthermore, the main reason for believing the Catholic Church is THE church is based on trusting the tradition passed down from the Catholic Church, which is circular.

[@toddchaddon4249]

Keep in mind the Bread of Life discourse is in all versions of the Bible. Christ said, paraphrasing, 'if you do not eat my flesh and drink my blood, you have no life in you.' If they truly believed in the Bible, then they should desire to receive Him. You would think they would want to fully understand John 6. I am with Matt in that I want all protestants to become Catholic. And I agree with Ralph that God is the one who decides all of this. I don't think any one of us will ever know the answer, but whenever I am confronted with this in real life, I always bring up the Bread of Life discourse to them. While many Catholics will not enter into eternal life, we at least can say we are a member of the church Christ founded. Outside of it, there is no salvation.

[@mattb4249]

You sure Jesus was taking about eating His physical flesh? If your wafer turned into actual physical flesh, would you really eat it? 16 Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O Lord God of hosts. Jeremiah 15:16

[@damnedmadman]

​@@mattb4249"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God." John 1

[@joelpenley9791]

@@mattb4249 yes, Jesus was talking about his literal flesh, and many of his disciples did in fact walk away because of this teaching. We need to be like Peter and trust what Jesus said because where else can we go, Jesus has the words of eternal life. Trying to interpret John 6 by using Jeremiah just doesn't work, because Jesus explicitly states that we must eat his flesh and drink his blood. He repeats this 4 times in a row.

[@mattb4249]

@@joelpenley9791 So you say, but the only way to know the Lord's will and way of life is by eating His Word and trusting in the blood that was shed, who is Christ Jesus. Peace. John 6:58-69 58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever. 59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum. 60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? 61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? 62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. 65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. 66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. 67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? 68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. 69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

[@joelpenley9791]

@ not so I say, but Jesus says. You just quoted exactly what proves my point. But to really understand, you need to go back to the beginning of the discourse. Jesus starts out talking metaphorically, by saying he is the bread which came down from heaven. His disciples understand he is talking in a metaphor, but they question how he can say he came down from heaven. Jesus explains again but still they don’t believe him. Then Jesus intensifies his language and says the bread which he will give is his flesh. Notice, no one took this as a metaphor. They immediately question how Jesus will give his flesh for them to eat. Jesus doesn’t back down, he doesn’t correct them for misunderstanding. Instead, this is when Jesus says 4 times in a row that we must eat his flesh and drink his blood. Everyone there understands Jesus to be speaking literally. So many walk away. Would Jesus really let them walk away if all he meant was “eat the word”? That is crazy and makes Jesus a liar and a deceiver. Jesus is the Truth. His words are spirit and life.

[@shapexon3322]

I'm not Catholic, but I'm definitely interested in the more high church/traditional stuff. Since I've gone to college earlier this year I've started going to a more traditional Anglican Church (of North America). I've always felt that if I found a convincing argument for Catholicism I would convert, but so far I haven't really heard one.

[@patriciajohnson1894]

We should always respect our priests, however we shouldn't be afraid to challenge them when necessary ... with charity of course

[@annejacks6458]

@@patriciajohnson1894 i wish i knew how to approach our priests and ask for changes, i want to be respectful but im so sad when i come to Mass and people are talking in Church, not genuflecting, Communion in the hand and folks taking the Body of Christ to the back of the Church! My word…..:(

[@penelopephelange]

@@annejacks6458 Get over urself, JESUS!

[@lzcontrol]

@@penelopephelange ?

[@michaelkeane8508]

Archbishop Fulton used to say what are you bringing to the Mass .Same as your prayers in the Church .It’s not about other people in the Church are Happy or not .Its about how we use the gifts that we have been given if we want it

[@GR65330]

My concern is not so much the Protestants who never heard the doctrinal teaching of the Catholic Church, but more with those Catholics who have left the Church to join a Protestant one. How does this affect their salvation?

[@lzcontrol]

As long as they read the Sinner's Prayer from the Jack Chick comic book, they should be A-OK. Pope Francis seems to agree.

[@Tishomingo640]

@@lzcontrol You should be asking why they left the Roman Church.

[@jeffspruance9388]

Why would they lose their salvation? Can you point to a single Scriptural example that even alludes to your claim being true?

[@GR65330]

@@jeffspruance9388 In Romans 11:22, Paul says, "Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off." "Whosoever shall have separated himself from the Catholic Church, no matter how praiseworthy such a person may fancy his life has been, yet for that one crime of having cut himself off from the unity of Christ he shall not have eternal life, but the wrath of God shall abide with him forever." - St. Augustine of Hippo ("Letter 141," c. early 5th century)

[@jeffspruance9388]

@@GR65330 ok? 1. The verse you provided shows nothing about the Catholic Church and doesn’t even allude to losing your salvation period, let alone losing it for not being in the Catholic Church. 2. St. Augustine, while a wonderful saint, does not override Scripture. Not to mention that at the time there was only one church and Catholic meant universal church, not the modern Catholic Church. Furthermore, Augustine further clarity’s his point by saying cut off from “Unity with Christ”. There is no Scriptural evidence that in order to have unity with Christ you must be a member of the modern Catholic Church.

[@JohnAlbertRigali]

Most parishes and chapels at which I've attended Mass celebrate Masses thoroughly ridden with liturgical abuses. At half of the Catholic priests I've been around have said error within earshot of me. I've only found "sanctuary" from the abuses and errors at parishes and chapels that have the Traditional Latin Mass. ☝🏻 Ever since I became a trad Catholic in 2018, whenever I make an appeal for Catholicism to a non-Catholic, I warn that abuses, heterodoxies and heresies are rampant on the Novus-Ordo-only side of the Church (because that's what I've observed) and that my audience is more likely to be MUCH better "fed" by becoming not just Catholic but traditional Catholic. ☝🏻

[@tiff1622]

As a convert myself, it was a three year process. In our current age, they really need to streamline the process especially with our technological advances because the only thing that kept me going through the three year documentation process where they even forgot about my annulment for over a year in the tribunal, knowing the RCC was the truth is what kept me there. The friendly lovebombing protestant church is a much easier choice to those who are just hungry for Jesus. The RCC is outdated and really needs to get with the times. I know, I know, but this new generation is different. That said, thank Jesus I was confirmed this Easter Vigil finally.

[@patriciajohnson1894]

If we see what "get with the times" got the Church into, I say no THANKS, however we can do things more effectively

[@tiff1622]

@patriciajohnson1894 Thats what I mean. Everything is way too slow, and its discouraging to many. Im not saying change doctrine but the conversion process is tedious and cold. Baptized Christians shouldnt have to wait a year to three years to be confirmed and receive the sacraments. 3-6 months is more than enough time to know more than the average cradle Catholic.

[@matthewodonnell6495]

@@tiff1622 My current conversion process from Protestantism has so far been warmer than my protestant experience. I grew up in a good protestant church too, but the Catholic parish I am attending my OCIA at is very warm, passionate, and loving and Jesus has been the center thus far. Also, the priests at my parish are a fountain of biblical and historic knowledge. Maybe I am lucky to have found a good parish, I thank God for that.

[@tiff1622]

@matthewodonnell6495 That's awesome!!!

[@robertjensen2328]

(3:45) Neither did "God become man, bleed and die on a cross and rise again" so that the RC church could preach frequent communion: Sin all week long, make confession and go to church on Sunday. Rinse, repeat.

[@dirtywetdogboatsandsailing6805]

I'd just like to add that we seem to have grown up with an additional problem in the uk and that of course is that the C of E became the established church in the 16th century and even then England had a longstanding tradition of radical 'Puritan' sects that were often violently anti Catholic. I grew up in a small market town in East Anglia, near to where Cromwell had his base of power and locally there was either the quite gothic C of E church, a pair of plain and rather sterile preaching halls (methodist and Baptist) but I don't remember there being an RC Parish or church. Later on I find that there may have been one but only in the form of a building the size of a small private house that was used as the RC chapel, Politically, Catholicism was often suppressed in England and even in my lifetime was seen somehow as being 'not quite establishment' . Since then of course we've seen how badly the original rebellion and/or suppression has worked out for the Church of England - woke goes super woke ! ( agnostic speaking btw)

[@Gunfighter95]

I think our approach to christianity is different. There are some differences better and worse between the two. I think it is a case by case basis that only God can truly know and judge.

[@lindadlima5442]

Even if nothing else is there (eg. preaching on fire etc.) Jesus IS there...in the most Holy Eucharist ❤

[@theadaptiveone]

I’ve always was under the impression, that if one truy believed on Jesus. They will be saved as Paul told the guard in prison… but who knows

[@joelpenley9791]

But what does it mean to truly believe on Jesus? I think Ralph is right, we need to ultimately let God decide. There could be one person who has recently come to believe on Jesus and just hasn't had the time to convert fully, or as Matt mentioned maybe had a bad experience. Maybe God will judge them and reward them with heaven. But there could another person who although they accept Jesus, had hardened their heart and even after years still rejects the Church which Christ founded. There is a real possibility that God judges them with hell. While we don't know how any individual will end up, we were warned by Jesus about the narrow path. About the Sheep and the Goats. About having enough oil for our lamps. About being prepared because we don't know when the master will return. About having on our wedding garments, because even if we get invited to the wedding, we still might be thrown out and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

[@marcokite]

Dear one. Nope! St Paul also was a bishop of the Church who ordained other bishops and priests. St Paul taught we must be Baptised (a sacrament) and receive the Eucharist (which he taught was the Body and Blood of Christ). St Paul taught we would be saved by Faith AND our by our actions. Christ established His Holy Church 2,000 years ago for a REASON. He gave us bishops, priests and deacons, He gave us the Seven Sacraments for our salvation. He did NOT tell us to just sit at home reading our Bibles.

[@cheezman9180]

but Nicea II says let them be anathema. how do you put together this modern catholic view of protestants together with the infallible teaching of the church?

[@garyworth6046]

The discernment of every person is so important. Sure, they might err, but the Holy Spirit plays a role also with each person. That said, part of the discernment must include the Catholic provision of the sacraments, especially the true Eucharist, via apostolic succession, vs protestant congregations that in essence attend a weekly scriptural TED talk. Separating the immense importance of a religion's theology vs its lesser value human implementation (good or so-so) is another factor. People seeking churches are supposed to be seeking complete theological truth, not congregations that are "on fire," make earthly things interesting, yet are without Jesus' assigned complete mission. And, sure, every church in every denomination can always do better.

[@eduardotaira8773]

Mr. Martin was prudent, but I am with Matt. I think most people have the means to acknowledge that some mortal sins are at least obviously wrong. Even though, most of us live a obviously sinful life. St. Paul is filled with the Holy Spirit in his Epistles, and he is so harsh in his words on I Cor 6,9-10. Could we live a sinful life, deny Christ and His Church, and leave this world unrepentant of our sins and expect to inherit the Kingdom of Heaven? I don't think so. The time for conversion is now. Tomorrow is not guaranteed. May our Lord Jesus Christ bless all of you.

[@jeremystrand7095]

Here's a thought worth wrestling through: for years, Christ has appeared in dreams and visions to Muslims in the Middle East leading 100,000s to Himself while not telling them anything about the Catholic Church or any church for that matter.

[@nibs1989]

Perhaps we should take the principle of Romans 1:16 into account as well. Paul said that "the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation, to everyone who believes." The beauty of this statement is that the Gospel itself is salvific for the person who believes it. It follows the same principle as an unholy priest and the Eucharist. If the Eucharist has the same effect, even if the priest himself is not perfectly holy in that moment, then it also stands to reason that the Gospel itself is powerful. It also follows the principle of the seed sown in secret in the Gospel of Mark. So long as a person believes the true gospel from the heart, the Holy Spirit is bound by His Word to save that person, regardless of where they are or from whom they heard it. The individual they heard it from may also be unregenerate and inwardly an apostate, they cannot destroy the power of the Gospel of Christ when it is properly announced.

[@markvandyke2106]

Pope Francis: "There are many paths to God." Historic Roman Catholic Teaching: "Except Protestantism."

[@marcokite]

Yes, Christ established His Church 2,000 years ago - it's called the Holy Orthodox Church. The question is; are ROMAN Catholics guilty for rejecting the Orthodox Church?? The Holy Orthodox Church IS the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. ☦☦☦☦☦☦☦

[@MegaMackproductions]

Yeah, listen little brother. The fact that you have to Categorize your Church as "Orthodox" shows that it's trying way too hard. The Catholic Church retains multiple Sui Iuris Churches within it. It is one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. One unified body of Christ. And even it Recognizes the legitimacy of your holy orders. I've yet to see an Orthodox teacher who actually understands what the Catholic Church teaches. But we understand well what the Orthodox teach.

[@amo6396]

Listening to Matt's story about his wife not being able to receive the "Eucharist" because the "host" contained gluten convinces me even more that the "host" doesn't become the actual 'blood and body of Christ'. If she had eaten the "host" containing the gluten why wouldn't almighty God protect her from the side affects?

[@Zack-kk5xr]

Because we believe the consecrated host still holds all the physical properties of bread. When the wine is consecrated it still has alcohol but its substance has changed and has now become the Blood of Christ. At the beginning of creation God spoke and things came to be - He does the same thing in the mass through His priest. Jesus is the one speaking when the priest says, "This is my body. This is my blood," and since He is God it comes to be.

[@Leonard-td5rn]

Christ condemned certain churches in certain locations He did not condemn the Church He founded which would would have been worldwide by then

[@pickenchews]

Salvation based on belief is such an immoral concept to begin with.

[@RStark-ek7mh]

It is a relationship with Jesus Christ and understanding the deity of who he is/was. 1-God, 3-persons; God the Father, Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit. The elect are few but scattered among the many. It is not a particular church that saves one. But when studying the infallible Holy Bible, it is important to find the distinctions between Protestants and Catholics. Roman Catholicism has a false Gospel. It has a Gospel that is focused upon an unfinished work of Christ. There is no finished work. The mass is a propitiatory unbloody sacrifice that perfects no one. The sacramental system is a system based upon the autonomous acts of man, aided by convenient grace - none of those things are biblical teachings without a finished work to be applied in the first place and so it can never give anyone peace before God, and this is why Roman Catholicism must be Evangelized. The Catholic Church today is simply not the same as it was thousands of years ago. The Catholic Church today is not even the same as it was 100 years ago. There is a good reason for the reformation.

[@sorenaugust]

I think the answer is simple. If you get that the Catholic Church is the One True Church. Then you are obliged to share that truth in whatever way you are able to depending on the virtue of prudence. You can speculate on what happens to non Catholics but really if you know the true and the good then as a good guy you would share what is working for you and why. If you knew how to make money morally on stocks or health and fitness you should share it to everyone who is interested to listen. If they don’t want to listen or don’t trust your experience and evidence then so be it. Pray for everyone and pray that you are on the straight and narrow yourself. Remember the best evidence for Catholicism is your own experience of your faith life that confirms the truth. But because none of us is God there is always that possibility that we have got something objectively wrong maybe a lot. Take that humility with you as you engage others. You are trying to help others. Not be their eternal Judge!

[@Catholicity-uw2yb]

CARDINAL POLE, POPE’S REPRESENTATIVE AT COUNCIL OF TRENT: “Before the tribunal of God’s mercy we, the shepherds, should make ourselves responsible for all the evils now burdening the flock of Christ. We should take upon ourselves the sins of all, not in generosity but in justice; because the truth is that we are in great part the cause of these evils, and therefore we should implore the divine mercy through Jesus Christ.”

[@theextreme7134]

Jesus established all seven churches in the book of Revelation, He condemned five of them. Just because Jesus established a church does not mean it can't become apostate and fall into error. Everyone should reject a church that does not teach the true gospel and has strayed from scripture like the RCC has.

[@lukeallison6570]

So is the current Pope legitimate? If not what makes you different from a Lutheran?

[@MegaMackproductions]

Yes. He's just a poor pope..

[@lukeallison6570]

@ “Poor” in that he constantly casts doubt on the Tradition of the Church?

[@Gazzsi]

3:24 It can get complicated, sure. Between the catholic and Orthodox, both look like they could be true ok their face. It becomes difficult when getting into the history. Evaluating protestantism isnt difficult. It refutes itself in multiple ways. Just the whole "everything essential is in the Bible but the biblical canon isnt in the bible" is enough by itself, but its not the only one. If you are a thinking person who is outside christianity, does research to decide which church is correct, and decides to follow protestsntism, invincible ignorance will be a very difficult justification to use.

[@carolinenorman6141]

I was a Baptist for twenty years I converted to Catholicism 30 years ago the evangelical church has great community the Catholics less so

[@carolinenorman6141]

40 years ago I was given a booklet by Ralph martin it started my journey into the catholic church it took me 14 years of terror frightened I was getting it wrong I converted 30 years ago I absolutely love it especially being able to receive the sacraments

[@Victim_of_Korean_drama]

You're not wrong, at all. I see total carelessness in almost every single Catholic community, be it in Asia or Europe, can't say much about America, never been there but my online experience says they're worse, i could be wrong. I stay for the Eucharist, Our Lord, i don't care about the laity. Yes some Protestants are way better than Catholics.

[@1Hope4All]

I'm sorry you feel that way Caroline. You must be in the wrong parishes. Just keep visiting different parishes until you can find one that has great people who love Jesus and each other. And if you don't, that's okay because you're still in the right Church. It's just that some Parishes are not what you would want for yourself. And that's okay. You can offer it up to Jesus on the Cross. There's many times when God sends us sufferings so that we can offer it up to Jesus on the Cross. You know what that is? That is God's mercy for us. So just endure your sufferings and offer them up. The more sufferings you have on Earth and accept them, the less time you will spend in Purgatory.

[@benbennett5301]

@@1Hope4All Not to be grating, but how is purgatory biblical?

[@joshrichards9121]

I understand you have a hard time seeing where purgatory shows up in Scripture. I too had that problem when I wasn’t Catholic. But there are some places I can see it now. Here’s a couple of places I believe our Lord mentions it. Luke 12:47-48 [47] And that servant who knew his master’s will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating. [48] But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more. (I believe that the beatings are the purifying fires of purgatory.) Matthew 5:25-26 [25] Come to terms quickly with your accuser while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison. [26] Truly, I say to you, you will never get out until you have paid the last penny. (I believe that the prison you are able to get out of is purgatory, as hell is the prison you cannot get out of.)

[@Spartan10k]

Matt I’m sure you won’t see this comment but I feel obligated to say something. What you’re describing here up to 1:07 was me last year. except that i had come from a protestant upbringing and i already knew that protestantism was a lie. it was a chance video i saw on the shroud of turin that converted me again. not your interview on the shroud (which i love and shared with my mom), but another youtuber. it came down to orthodox or catholic for me, and catholic won out for me because of how ethnic EO is. everything i've learned since my baptism and confirmation only reinforces my belief in the catholic church

[@1Hope4All]

Matt is a convert.

[@Spartan10k]

@ a revert no?

[@patriciajohnson1894]

​@@1Hope4AllNo

[@ninjason57]

It's easy to be graceful in a discussion like this but the authority in which the Roman Catholic Church functions historically did consider Protestantism a damnable offense for willingly rejecting Vatican 1, or is this incorrect?

[@mikekukovec4386]

that's absolutely correct. Council of Florence couldn't have been more clear. Modern day apologists know they can't reject this if they're to make the claim that their church is infallible, so instead they bury the dogma with language like "separated brethren" and "invincible ignorance" to get converts. Invincible ignorance is for people who have never heard the gospel, not people who look into Rome and reject it willingly. Trust in Jesus and be proudly anathematized from Rome is my advice.

[@Thatoneguy-pu8ty]

@@mikekukovec4386 couldn't have said it better

[@sanjivjhangiani3243]

People can be material heretics (i.e., their opinions are objectively wrong) without being morally heretics (knowingly rejecting the truth). Someone who grows up Protestant and has never really heard the case for Catholicism properly put might easily hold his views in good faith and be judged accordingly.

[@sanjivjhangiani3243]

​@mikekukovec4386 Many people might never have heard a case for Catholicism or had the time and energy to "look into Rome. " In that sense, yes, they could be invincibly ignorant.

[@Buzzkill3-ak47]

You are correct in what they believe. But they are wrong.

[@marcokite]

Ralph is detached from reality, there are very FEW good N.O. churches. I used to be RC, now happily Orthodox ☦☦☦

[@MegaMackproductions]

You know there are eastern Catholic Churches right? Lol

[@T.Truthtella-n3i]

Yes.

[@SolaPastora]

I watch Gavin and Gospel Simplicity constantly in denial with all their research.. It seems like they’ve been predisposed into “wanting more and more proof.” Like heres some proof, here’s some doubt. Over and over again. -- but a non KZbinr who isn’t making a living on content would just be like “yes, Catholicism.”

[@pigetstuck]

This is why the “one true church” teaching is so problematic. You are speculating if born again Christ followers might be going to hell. Yikes

[@Deathbytroll]

If there is a one true Church then it’s not. There are many people who will say “Lord Lord” and will never have been true followers.

[@pigetstuck]

@@Deathbytroll there is one true church, but it is more expansive that people think... even that "Lord Lord" passage you references this fact.

[@ChisomPrince-wo9xj]

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[@Abigail-f1t]

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[@Frank-zx7rm]

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[@ChisomPrince-wo9xj]

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[@ponhaus2323]

I think we are finding ourselves moving toward Christian unity. We might be far away from formal reunification, but as I see these posts I can't hep but think that folks who are serious about their faith, whether Catholic, Orthodox, Lutheran, Evangelical or Reformed are understanding that Christianity is, first and foremost, about Jesus. I am encouraged, because I see that, regardless of tradition, so many are pressing on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of us.

[@josephsarto689]

“And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying:” 2 Thes 2:10 These are the people Matt’s describing. As well as Matt himself

[@Ettoredipugnar]

Shouldn’t you admit that the first reformation took place in 1054 ? And that the Latins are the first Protestants ?

[@Apoch86]

I think, because of the fact that “God did not become man, bleed and die on a cross, rise again, to get people on a historical technicality” ( 3:47 ), is exactly the reason that there are saved Christian’s who will be in heaven, together, praising God, in all expressions of Christianity, whether its Protestant, orthodox, or Roman Catholic. Thank you Jesus for your grace, thank you Holy Spirit for your guidance, and thank you Father for your will and love for us.

[@josiahhockenberry9846]

I know the Catholic Church is the true Church of Christ for many reasons, but one that stands out most to me is that everyone, and I mean EVERYONE has been trying to take down His church for 2,000 years and has failed. Praise to You, Lord Jesus Christ. 🙏✝️

[@christopherchilton1955]

Except the Catholic Church has been a tool for oppression as much as any other powerful state organization has been, why is it so incredibly flawed like all things human do if it's somehow special and set apart by God? I'd trust the actions and teaching of Orthodoxy more, and clearly Protestantism was necessary for decentralization and enlightenment.

[@Philip__325]

Amen!

[@brent-m6m]

No one tried to “take down the church” the catholics were committing attocities and taking indugencences and many people called them out but got killed for it until Martin Luther and a ton of other Catholics said enough is enough already…..

[@slanz1]

@@josiahhockenberry9846 S@tan only attacks the truth.

[@HaMashiachSaves]

Bingo 😉

[@culpepper7665]

As a protestant that converted to Catholicism, and now just kinda lost not knowing anymore... I appreciate this talk. I feel like the worst thing I ever did after becoming a believer was to dive into theology and church history. It's an absolute jungle. It's often said by Catholics that if you know the truth of the CC and reject it, you will be damned. Well who in the world would reject the CC if they KNEW it was the truth? I left because I don't know... who could possibly know?

[@robertnovak6453]

Feel your pain, friend.

[@wasumyon6147]

Fortunately He does not put the burden of knowing on us

[@HacimBricks]

Relatable. I'd like to think that regardless, the most important thing is to love God, love others, have faith in the fundamental truths of Jesus, and at least be involved in some ecclesiastical body (even if you are not exactly sure of your specific theological beliefs). I'd say going to a somewhat heretical Church is still better than going to no church at all. And maybe the lack of theological understanding just drives us to better humility and reliance on the Holy Spirit. I am still Catholic, but I have definitely been struggling with the teachings of the council of Florence regarding salvation outside the Church.

[@geoffjs]

Pray & develop devotion to Our Lady who will guide you.

[@geoffjs]

⁠@@HacimBricks My first reaction is that going to a “somewhat” heretical “church” is better than not going is false as the poison can still kill you spiritually.

[@brent-m6m]

Pretty sure the “one true church” was formed at the time of the disciples like Ephesus and Corinth, not catholic 300 years later.

[@Rose19695]

You need to learn history.

[@Deathbytroll]

“Catholic” can be found very early in the writings of Saint Ignatius disciple of Saint John and it makes clear the standards to be considered in the Church at the time and it’s being in communion with the bishop and believing in the real presence. Now both the Orthodox and the Roman Catholics consider themselves Catholic so to import direct meaning to Roman Catholic is a word concept fallacy but the idea and word is there very early

[@brent-m6m]

@ saint ignatius lived from 1491-1521….so I think that furthers my point that the Roman Catholic church was established a long time after. Thanks for the correction on the Roman Catholic point, I never realized for some reason that the Romans who killed Jesus were years later able to start the Roman Catholic Church… wild.

[@Iffmeister]

Bro thats Ignatius of Loyola. Hes talking about St. ignatius of Antioch, who knew the apostles and died in 107 AD ​@brent-m6m

[@brent-m6m]

@ lol that helps! He was venerated by Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodoxy, Anglican Communion, Lutheranism. So Protestants also recognize him. Ignatius provided valuable insights into the theology and practices of the Church but did not start the Roman Catholic church.

[@markmeyer4532]

One who consumes the spiritual flesh and blood of Scripture does not become a Catholic. Simple as that. They don't. They wont. They wouldn't under threat of anathema or death. There is no Catholicism in Scripture, and is the reason why Catholics point people to read the Early Church Fathers instead of The Gospel.

[@MegaMackproductions]

Big claim from someone who has obviously can't comprehend the scripture.

[@manuelthallinger7297]

@@MegaMackproductions But he is not wrong, catholics tend go in a circle arround the bible, cause many of the teaching and practices of the modern church arent a bit founded in the bible. Many of the things are founded in scripture the catholics made themselves, you really get the feeling the bible is a unimportant book for catholics. Its a bit like with the Pharisees, the invented themselves numerous rules, to note voilate the commandments. Jesus condemned that, so why should it be ok with the catholics. It saddens me that so much catholics neglecting the bible.

[@markcreemore5879]

Tovia Singer blasted Christianity out of me so I’m leaning Noahide now. All sincere believers in HaShem will be saved if they believe in and love Him.

[@MarkPatmos]

Tovia Singer says so many things that are incorrect about Christianity I wasn't able to keep watching it to see if he made any worthwhile points.

[@markcreemore5879]

@ What are the top three?

[@bikesrcool_1958]

Jewish nah, be catholic.

[@MarkPatmos]

I think he said Paul was gay, and quite a few other things about Paul. That Paul spoke about Jesus as a spiritual resurrection was Greco-Roman. Even though Paul himself encountered Jesus in spiritual form and this makes sense because it was after Jesus Ascension. I can't remember others.

[@markcreemore5879]

@ Here’s a quick and simple one that invalidates so much: Paul mentions how the Messiah died and rose again after three days “according to the scriptures”. Problem is, there is no such scripture in the Jewish Bible. Paul lied.

[@MarkPatmos]

"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." Matthew 28:19-20

[@erikmiller2514]

I joined the Catholic Church at the beginning of the Francis pontificate. I’ve been more scandalized in ten years as a Catholic, than thirty years as a Protestant. The Catholic claim that the “Church doesn’t change” is utter nonsense.

[@geoffjs]

I’m sorry about your experience over the last 10 yrs & apologise on her behalf! However her Truth does not change & no Pope can change Catholic doctrine which is why Pope Francis is controversial. Bear in mind that Francis is expressing his personal opinion, not True Catholic teaching. Over 2000 yrs, even though the CC has had bad popes she has always recovered stronger. Also, whilst we are currently living in difficult times, the Church has experienced worse times

[@kyrieeleison1243]

I share your frustration. I think we need to take the big picture view. There are plenty of times of crisis in the Church, but what we see in history is that she is self-correcting. So we might have a bad pontificate trying to change the Church, we might even have several bad pontificates, but because the Holy Spirit is always with His Church, things will be corrected. Sometimes it takes centuries. We sometimes fail to see the bigger picture of God's providence for the scandal of the present smaller picture.

[@DavidLarson100]

Whoever told you "the Church doesn't change" was wayy oversimplifying. "Common teachings," those that have not been dogmatically defined (which is the vast majority of things), actually CAN and do change. It's defined dogmas that can't change. Well, even there, things can be "clarified," which can make a defined dogma seem very different. Read Jimmy Akin's Teaching with Authority. He goes over all the levels of authority for different teachings and how, yes, things can change depending on how well frequently, strongly, and officially it was defined. Just because a pope or a council taught something actually doesn't mean it's a permanent teaching. Popes have taught some pretty wild things, compared to what the Magisterium teaches now (like on slavery, war, burning heretics, usury, etc etc).

[@Deathbytroll]

@@geoffjs you’re not interacting with the Argument but just offering platitudes

[@josephsarto689]

If someone’s rejection of the truth is because a priest wasn’t friendly, then that person was t very interested in the truth

[@mrman5066]

Have a little empathy man. Also learning thr truth is a lifelong process. We pray that those not guarded with a good understanding of the truth come to gradually gain it as we pray that for all of us

[@Grizaptimus]

Is it not the priests role to help them see that it is in fact the truth? You have already decided that it is the truth, so it is obvious to you. however that person has yet to be convinced. Perhaps its just that the rest of us need just more guidance than you do

[@johnmckillop3820]

your RC smugness is nauseating

[@xrendezv0usx]

I haven't rejected the catholic church. I reject bowing down to man made images. I reject praying to anyone other than my Lord Jesus Christ. I reject treating the words and traditions of men as EQUAL to the Word of God. God bless!

[@damnedmadman]

So you do reject the Church.

[@xrendezv0usx]

@damnedmadman to the contrary- I AM the church. I am a member of the Mystical Body of Christ, which is all those who by faith in our Lord Jesus Christ have our names written in the Lamb's Book of Life. I am the tabernacle of the Living God. The Spirit of the Lord is upon me. My feet walk on holy ground. If I am rejected by the pope for following the teachings and examples of ALL the Prophets and Patriarchs and the Apostles and not bowing down to man made images, so be it.

[@damnedmadman]

@@xrendezv0usx Body is something visible, by definition, and so it was always understood, from Apostles, through Church Fathers and to this day. And Jesus gave the Keys of the Kingdom to Peter only, and nobody else. So no, you cannot be the Church if you're not with Peter and all his successors.

[@lzcontrol]

So you have your own man-made tradition. Have fun with that. Handle a snake for me.

[@Deathbytroll]

​@@xrendezv0usx that's a mad made tradition

[@justinhartnell6779]

Hard to believe Jesus would recognize the church...

[@crazechill1]

Jesus never started any church. His followers did.

[@justinhartnell6779]

@crazechill1 how do you know?

[@Deathbytroll]

@@crazechill1 Jesus didn’t give us scripture the Orthodox Church did

[@crazechill1]

@@justinhartnell6779 Church started after Jesus's death. Read the new testament

[@crazechill1]

@@Deathbytroll None of the early Christians belonged to the Orthodox Church. Don't rewrite history.

[@andrewtibbetts2695]

From what I’ve gathered from reading the Bible, there is really only a small number of things that a Christian would need to believe in order to be born again and have a guaranteed path to heaven. Fundamental beliefs if you will. Beyond that, that’s when you have to start searching the Scriptures for yourself and following God the way He says to. Edit: just so people know where I'm coming from, when I was in middle school, I ended up in a Christian cult for 4 years, and we had to solely rely on the on leader's interpretation of what the Bible says (and oddly enough he's been dead like 20 years), so I am extremely hesitant to ever just believe what someone claims to know or have learned about the Bible. (without checking it for myself, which I think is biblical compared to Acts 17:11 {the believers were commended for searching the Scriptures to see if Paul--the Apostle!!--was teaching correctly})

[@luke9747]

I am not sure I agree that is how God intended it! I think rather than decide for ourselves from the Scriptures, it would make sense that God would give us an institution (the church) whose guidance we can follow. If all Christians did follow the church Christ established on Peter, we would only have 1 church. However there are thousands and thousands of Christian denominations which have thousands of different interpretations of Scripture which contradict each other. They can't all be true. It makes sense that for the sake of truth and knowing the Lord He would give us a church which would be guided by truth and the Holy Spirit infallibly. Thus when Jesus said to Peter.. "I say to you that you are rock, and on this rock I build My church. And the gates of hell shall not overcome it"

[@aceswizzo8665]

​@@luke9747the church didn't exist the first century

[@andrewtibbetts2695]

@@luke9747 But how would the church know how to lead unless they read the Bible for themselves? (Remember God gave us the Holy Spirit in order to search the Scriptures for ourselves. Indeed, even the people of the church in Berea were commended in Acts 17:11 for searching the Scriptures to see if what Paul said was good. They were "more noble than those of Thessalonica")

[@andrewtibbetts2695]

@@luke9747 Just a clarifier I'm not Catholic xD I also think it makes total sense for there to be many denominations, because we are an imperfect people, even with Christ we will disagree on certain areas of the Bible, and we won't become one united church until the Second Coming of Christ. Personally I'd rather have Christians decide for themselves how to interpret the Word rather then one single church leader, because its much less likely for whoever is leading to force others into things that are unbiblical (like back in the 14th-15th centuries when the Catholic priests denied anyone except them from reading the Bible, and it was solely written in Latin)

[@Rose19695]

​@@andrewtibbetts2695the Church came before the Bible. It was the Church that compiled the books and letters of the Bible.

[@TheOtherPhilip]

This conversation shows exactly why the reformers argued that faith in Christ is sufficient.

[@1Hope4All]

They're not reformers. They are destroyers.

[@1Hope4All]

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that faith in Christ is sufficient.

[@aceswizzo8665]

​@@1Hope4Allwhat do you mean by that ?

[@TheOtherPhilip]

Romans 5:1 “Therefore, having been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.”

[@axderka]

@@TheOtherPhilip Rom 5:1 says “Δικαιωθέντες οὖν ἐκ πίστεως εἰρήνην ἔχομεν πρὸς τὸν θεὸν διὰ τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ” Properly translated as: “Justified by the faith OF … our lord Jesus Christ” Faith and Lord Jesus Christ are in the genitive case which is how possession is shown in Greek. So, I’m not RC but that’s not the right verse to use.

[@dominiclarosa489]

I believe God is fair and everyone is given a chance to accept or reject his truth.

[@jgr7487]

I have to retort by paraphrasing another interviewee of Matt Fredd's: a lame Jesus is better than no Jesus.

[@HeWhoIsHasSentMe]

To be fair, it's hard to hold someone accountable for not joining your church when parents can not send their sons up to your altars in confidence. You need to take some accountability for that. Not to mention the widespread and systemic liturgical abuse and capitulation to modern trends. It doesn't matter how good of a historical claim you have, the disease is so widespread that it's dishonest to blame people for not "looking past it".

[@idunnknow7]

the chruch has taken accountability for that. look into the new precautions that were set into place to prevent future issues of that sort. also. if you look at it statistically the church is the safest institution we have for children now.

[@HeWhoIsHasSentMe]

@idunnknow7 i can guarantee you there will be more scandals with all the homosexual priests you have running around. Your seminaries are littered with them. Dont be naive. Besides, that doesnt help the thousands of parents that already had to go through that.

[@Rose19695]

My kids would be even less safe in schools or even Protestant churches where the pastor can just skip town and start a new church.

[@HeWhoIsHasSentMe]

@@Rose19695 School is not the house of God. Youre missing the point. That's like saying LA is safe because it's not compton. Again, why should people be held accountible for not joining a church which is littered with pedorasts?

[@scygnius]

Even if you find the Catholic Church to be *the* Church, you must come to terms with Scripture: "All who believe in me shall not perish, but have eternal life" Jn 3:16 "Whoever is not against us is for us" Mk 9:40 The Body of Christ can extend beyond the institution of the Catholic Church, and it *does.*

[@20sergiomarquez]

It’s funny to me how people like to cling to a couple of verses as though that’s the entirety of Jesus’ teachings. Jesus also told his apostles things like whoever listened to you listens to me and who ever rejects you rejects me or who’s sins you forgive shall be forgiven and who’s sins you retain shall be retained and I can go on and on.

[@jaytkadv2429]

@@20sergiomarquezbro who’s is the savior Jesus or the wicked sinful apostles, Catholics focus so much on church history and the “true church” rather than actually study scripture and seeing that man sin against god and deserved hell forever. Good killed his own son. For us. Look to Christ and Christ alone not Mary , not the apostles not the pope. This is all about Jesus Christ!!

[@Rose19695]

​@@jaytkadv2429dude, learn to read the Bible correctly and you will discover that to accept Jesus also means to invite in His family.

[@MarinusSwanepoel-h3q]

Was C S Lewis saved?

[@kennynoNope]

According to the Catholic Church no. You have to believe Allah is your god from the Quran. That is the Catholic religion

[@TheCatholicNerd]

Imagine being that priest on judgment Day. I'm not saying it's enough to get him damned because obviously I don't know his soul etc, but just imagine being shown how you hurt someone because you didn't want them to follow the church's norms on communion. Being so arrogant todd, you're not only smarter than the church, but that it's acceptable to be hostile to the norms. Every priest ordained in the '70s and '80s needs to like go to boot camp to learn how to follow orders

[@windsongshf]

I've been seriously considering converting, but I have too much respect for true believers. I would make a terrible Catholic.

[@byzantinedeacon]

I am the worst one so you won't be alone

[@GallandOlivier]

@@windsongshf No one is a good catholic you know. That is why we need Christ to change us !

[@RitaGatton]

We are all sinners. When you sin, you can go to Confession and confess your sins to a priest who stands in for God. If you are contrite, you will hear him absolve you of your sins and say that they are forgiven for all eternity. That is such a relief. Confession is a sacrament. So, it gives you graces to help you from repeating that sin again.

[@Sourcoolness]

"There are no good arguments for atheism". I am an atheist and have been watching your channel for at least four years now. After that comment, I will never watch any of your content again. Toodaloo.

[@ElectricBluJay]

You mean you’ve been following a Catholic author and commentator for 4+ years and are shook that he believes atheism (that is, a belief that there is no God) has no ground in reality? Why? Instead of giving in to emotional knee jerk reaction, try taking his statement as a challenge. We all see the same evidence. Which makes more sense? Theism or Atheism, and why?

[@Rome_77]

Matt Fradd: but can we just let these guys off the hook? Ralph: we don’t know - only God knows. Weird for Matt to push this hard. “Did God really say?” If you start playing the “isn’t this kinda ridiculous” game the whole thing falls apart. Like asking “Are unbaptized children really not making it to heaven???” The best answer is the only answer we’ve been given. “Yes, we baptize babies.” Without baptism, it’s up to God and we cannot claim to know one way or the other.

[@e.m.8094]

The church is the body of believers at large, not any particular denomination.

[@YureDePaula-z3l]

The Church is the Catholic Church

[@DownWordGames]

Wrong. Mormons and Jahvahs witnesses aren't part of the body. Neither are catholics who believe in a different Jesus than true Christians.

[@DownWordGames]

​@@YureDePaula-z3lThat's a joke.

[@kaltech04]

I tend to be wary of churches that claim to be “the true church,” especially if they have issues or contradictions in their history. Considering Protestants heretics for hundreds and years then reversing that is a problem for me. Were they wrong then or are they wrong now? Also, as much as I love many of the Catholics in my life; there is an heir of superiority that can be grating. Nevertheless, I’m still trying to learn more about the RCC, its history and its teachings and beliefs.

[@e.m.8094]

@@DownWordGames What's wrong? True Christians are NOT the Church?! Is that your claim?? 😬

[@johndoh795]

The Church isn't just Catholics. "All who believe in me shall not perish, but have eternal life."

[@michaelbarry1664]

That is not how the Apostles and Church Fathers who were closest to our Lord interpreted His Word. I mean my gosh, the devil believes in Christ. Would you argue that Satan is part of the Church?

[@dylan3456]

@@michaelbarry1664 the devil doesn’t believe in Christ.

[@idunnknow7]

​@@dylan3456 you think that the devil doesn't believe Jesus exists??? He may reject the Lord but he definitely Knows the Lord.

[@idunnknow7]

"Not all those who say to me Lord Lord, will enter the kingdom of Heaven" This definitely implies that it will take more than just believing in him

[@dylan3456]

@@idunnknow7 to believe in Christ is not to acknowledge that he exists.

[@Dana19443]

Americans & the world need more information about the establishment of The Catholic Church. ✌️ ✝️🛡🕊

[@DownWordGames]

So everyone can avoid it.

[@Dana19443]

@DownWordGames Wow, that was a good one🤣 Why are you even here ?

[@DownWordGames]

@@Dana19443 So people don't go to hell thinking their works will get them to heaven.

[@jdub3999]

@@DownWordGamesyou have been lied to. Works don’t get anyone into heaven and Catholics don’t teach or believe that.

[@Dana19443]

@DownWordGames Indeed, as the mustard seed. 😃

[@lchris5709]

Who really cares?

[@davidjennings1256]

Forgive me…I thought Christ was the mediator between God and man, that his was the name by which we must be saved!

[@MegaMackproductions]

Well let me ask you: is it only by his name that we are saved? Is it only by believing in him in theory? Do not the devils believe and tremble? To believe is to practice. To practice is to live the live of the Sacraments.

[@fre7717]

@pintswithaquinas they need to determine why they want to join the RC church- the sacraments are most important. it helps when the priest reflects the charity of our Lord.

[@stephengreater1689]

The church was invisible in the first century. Not everyone who claimed to be a Christian was a Christian. The true church is made up of everyone who has genuine union to Christ, not a union to an institution. "There is something sadly wrong in our spiritual condition, when the only thing we look at in others is their outward Christianity, and the principal question we ask is, whether they worship in our communion, and use our ceremonial, and serve God in our way. Do they repent of sin? Do they believe on Christ? Are they living holy lives? These are the chief points to which our attention ought to be directed. The moment we begin to place anything in religion before these things, we are in danger of becoming as thorough Pharisees as the accusers of the disciples.” - J. C. Ryle, 1986

[@Deathbytroll]

Saint Ignatius who was the discipline of Saint John and Bishop of the Church says you’re wrong

[@stephengreater1689]

@Deathbytroll can you comment the quote or link to where he says this?

[@charlesfontaine298]

gluten free is not wheat so invalid communion some would say 🤷‍♂️canon 924 2

[@charlesfontaine298]

your wife is asking for an invalid communion

[@wahterr6281]

I think he meant to say "low gluten".

[@derekdavis3004]

"2:40", "Mary took things into her own hands"? What are you talking about? Brothers, you really need to stop praying to Mary, she cannot help you. Mary was a mortal woman, not a demi-goddess. Stop placing her upon a pedestal. It is not Biblical. It is akin to worshipping a false god, though you may not consider it as such. When someone is in a sin that they really do not want to give up they will bend-over backwards making excuses for the their actions. Protestants accuse you of worshipping Mary, so you say it is not worship, even though it looks exactly like worship. Do you bow pray to her, do you bow to her, do you serve her? That is worship. Please stop it.

[@RidgeKinney]

@@derekdavis3004 bro has no idea what he's talking about

[@manuelthallinger7297]

So go along, tell us your enlightened wisdom. Cause its not writen in the bible and the bible is the word of god. He has a point, that that mary worshiping isnt biblical. It just isnt, Jesus is your lord, the only one who can save you, the only one you should pray to, mary was just a human. i sometimes wonder how much of the people arguing online about this have actually read the bible

[@derekdavis3004]

@@manuelthallinger7297 Get some, brother! Ha-haa!😜 I love anyone and everyone, but all the more those who honor and respect and praise and love our wonderful Creator.

[@carolinenorman6141]

People should watch the journey home ewtn

[@Knight-of-the-Immaculata]

What’s not serious about reverence, dignity and respect compared with a drum kit, smoke machine and light show?

[@oldgreg6977]

From st Ignatius of Antioch ( disciple of St John the apostle and appointed as bishop of Antioch by St Peter ) from the year 110 ad just a few decades after the New Testament was written 👉 “See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the CATHOLIC CHURCH .” -Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Ch 8

[@MarkPatmos]

Is St. Ignatius of Antioch regarded as infallible? Should follow bishops as Jesus follows God the Father seems to be elevating their status and turning fallible human beings into infallible even if done with good intentions.

[@oldgreg6977]

@ St Ignatius was taught by St. John himself and appointed as bishop by St Peter , Jesus appointed the apostles to spread the gospel , establish his universal Church and to preserve the teachings and the faith and they taught people to do the same and so on and so on it’s called apostolic succession , scripture even says to follow your leaders ( bishops, priest ) ….. Hebrews 13:7 Remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God; consider the outcome of their life, and imitate their faith. 8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and for ever. ❤️ Hebrews 13:17 Obey your leaders and submit to them; for they are keeping watch over your souls, as men who will have to give account. Let them do this joyfully, and not sadly, for that would be of no advantage to you.❤️

[@oldgreg6977]

@ 1 Timothy 5:17 The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching. 18 For Scripture says, “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain,”and “The worker deserves his wages.”19 Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses. 20 But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning. 21 I charge you, in the sight of God and Christ Jesus and the elect angels, to keep these instructions without partiality, and to do nothing out of favoritism.

[@oldgreg6977]

@ James 5:13 Is anyone among you in trouble? Let them pray. Is anyone happy? Let them sing songs of praise. 14 Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise them up. If they have sinned, they will be forgiven. 16 Therefore CONFESS your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.

[@oldgreg6977]

@ Phillipians 3:17 Join together in following my example, brothers and sisters, and just as you have us as a model, keep your eyes on those who live as we do.

[@e.m.8094]

I think more important than anything within denominations is to study the Bible for yourself and learn what it really says without relying completely on a pastor or a priest to tell you what it means.

[@jbm0745]

That’s nothing more than following one’s own opinion. Christ established a Church for our guidance and direction.

[@RitaGatton]

I have heard of a Protestant church in Michigan that taught that Jesus is the same as God the Father and the Holy Spirit because Matthew 28:19 says, "Make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" and Acts 2:38 says, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins". This Protestant church studied the Bible for itself and came up with this conclusion. That is why we need the overall authority of the Catholic Church to decide issues like this.

[@e.m.8094]

@jbm0745 Studying the Bible for yourself instead of solely relying on someone to explain it to you is following your own opinion??? Apparently you would rather follow someone else's opinion. Interesting. Good luck with that I guess.

[@e.m.8094]

@RitaGatton Oh, so they can tell you to pray to dead people? Ummm, yeah that's totally biblical. 🤦

[@e.m.8094]

@RitaGatton Also, it sounds like that church believed in the erroneous doctrine called Modalism.

[@powerhouse8310]

“Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.”

[@e.m.8094]

@@powerhouse8310 1 Heresies 3:16

[@powerhouse8310]

@ This is a dogmatic text from Vatican II. What doesn’t make sense about it?

[@powerhouse8310]

@@Deathbytroll So “knowing” here has a theological meaning. Knowing in this context does not mean assent to or belief in the Church but rather that you know what the Church teaches about itself.

[@powerhouse8310]

@ It doesn’t have to spell out the definitions of specific words. In fact councils rarely ever do this. Councils say things within certain contexts and within the context and history of the Church this is the understanding of the word “know”. Like you even said, a somewhat standard reading of the word “know” doesn’t even make sense in this context since most heretics and schismatics would be saved regardless of their heresy and schism. Which of course is absurd. Virtually no, if not any, schismatic or heretic acknowledges themselves to be a heretic or schismatic.

[@gloriapatriparcedomine]

@@Deathbytroll Fallen Angels know God is real but they've turned against Him.

[@brianfeeney4791]

Why has the Catholic church consistently been against believers reading the bible and understanding it? The truth about purgatory, indulgences etc.

[@basedsigmalifter9482]

Why are you bearing false witness?

[@1Hope4All]

That's not true! The Catholic Church encourages reading the Bible. I have been to many Catholic Bible studies over the past couple of decades.

[@geoffjs]

Usual Protestant bias! At every Catholic Mass everyday around the world, there are at least two bible readings! Purgatory & indulgences are biblical, but not the sale of indulgences.

[@Buzzkill3-ak47]

That depends on which bible and doctrinal sub-books you read. Read about Martin Luther and the foundation of the protestant faith. It exposes the Hypocrisy. A. If asking a question is bearing false witness, it only shows your insecurity in you foundation of faith. YHVH is NOT scared of your honesty.

[@brianfeeney4791]

@Buzzkill3-ak47 which bible mentions purgatory for a start.

[@manuelthallinger7297]

John 3,16 shoud be the answer. The question should be, is the catholic church the right way ? Are they saved at all. The believe in the holy mary, its not grounded in the bible, bible doesnt speak much about her. Why should i pray to mary, if i can pray to god or jesus, there is no reason to. Baptism of children is another thing. As jesus showed, Baptism is deciding to follow god, its a statement to you surrounding area / people etc. A Baby under a year doesnt decide anything, so why baptism, isnt like its doing anything if you ground your believe in the bible, which should be the only thing to ground your believe on. Catholics do so much against the bibles teachings, its kind of strange to me to even ask the question like this, since the catholic church just writes their own rules, without god and without basement on the bible

[@davidrashty2631]

@@manuelthallinger7297 "baptism now saves you" "Repent and be baptized" "What we have taught either by our spoken word or by letter" "Not all who say to me Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven" "The CHURCH is the pillar and foundation of truth" Look up those passages, friend. Besides, the canon wasn't assembled into the bible until the 4th century...how could it be the only rule of faith for the 300 years before it was assembled? Then keep in mind it wasn't widely circulated and distributed by that point either...

[@loriw.9653]

This is why you need to go to a Traditional parish, which teaches historical catholicims. The N.O. church is losing souls. 😢

[@oatmealtruck7811]

Respectfully, I (a Lutheran) went to several Catholic Churches, including a TLM. While I appreciated the beautiful liturgy, I really felt like an interloper. I did not feel welcomed or wanted by anyone there. I hold no ill will towards them, but I was disappointed. It took a wonderful priest at a (reverent and beautiful) NO church to make me want to “take the leap”. I’m in OCIA now.

[@Buzzkill3-ak47]

The true "church" is messianic Judaism. If you want a structured service. The catholic service is modeled after the old testament "service" and dress code. The messiah is Jewish. He obeyed all the laws and fulfill ed the prophecy. The messiah said, when you pray to the FATHER, pray in my name. NOT when you pray to someone or anything else. Thats idol worship.

[@e.m.8094]

What is the "good news" according to Roman Catholicism? How is one saved and restored to fellowship with God according to the Catholic Church?

[@niva6511]

You can type that question on youtube search engine and I am sure a video from Ascension press will pop up to answer that question. (Assuming your question is genuinely wanting to know)

[@e.m.8094]

@niva6511 I actually wanted to hear from a real person in the chat here, since there seems to be alternative versions online depending upon which site to go to. Thought people would be more than eager to explain the good news from their point of view.

[@Grizaptimus]

This was me actually, It admittedly didn't help that I am quite shy. Took a week of going for daily mass for the priest to even say a word to me. I did become orthodox in the end though

[@aceswizzo8665]

All those who believe in Christ shall not perish but have everlasting life.

[@CCiPencil]

A schismatic church wondering if another schismatic church is guilty for not recognizing their specific schismatic church. 🤔 🤔

[@lindaruss3772]

Conquwistadores”? 😂