Are Reform UK Becoming the Opposition?

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@TLDRnews
@TLDRnews 2 ай бұрын
Hello everyone, We just wanted to clear something up. At 3:26 - it says on screen there were 67 votes against the Tobacco and Vapes bill. In the narration, we say 57 Tory MPs voted against. These are deliberately two different numbers. Of the 67 votes against, 57 of them were Conservatives.
@xrs10s
@xrs10s 2 ай бұрын
Yep I’ve spotted it too
@tyler361t2
@tyler361t2 2 ай бұрын
you also said every labour voted against but theres red in the no vote
@RayanRizwan-vb7wj
@RayanRizwan-vb7wj 2 ай бұрын
@@tyler361t2 he said they voted for not against
@paulomartins1008
@paulomartins1008 2 ай бұрын
The biggest issue around UK politics at the moment, is an utter refusal to accept that regardless of political spectrum, a baseline number of policies on key areas need to be agreed upon by all parties. Which is difficult in a political system that relies on absolute majorities to function.
@muhammedaleem882
@muhammedaleem882 2 ай бұрын
This is the most nuanced and objective political point I've ever heard. Your a real patriot.
@TheFreeAgent2024
@TheFreeAgent2024 2 ай бұрын
I'm an American, and my government will sadly never understand your point
@Wozza365
@Wozza365 2 ай бұрын
Agreed, I'd consider myself left wing in most policies but immigration is not being talked about in a sensible way enough. Only loony Tories and Reform are. Illegal immigration needs to be stopped with full force and numbers in general brought to a sensible level. Even a lot of legal migrants are angry about the illegals coming over, getting free healthcare, housing etc while they've had to work hard and pay a lot of money to receive a lot less. They have to pay for their healthcare annually and receive no public funds or housing.
@robinoldfield2691
@robinoldfield2691 2 ай бұрын
@@sueyourself5413ridiculous comment
@jameswalters3571
@jameswalters3571 2 ай бұрын
The political spectrum literally exists as it is because there are millions in the UK with values so divergent that they can't agree on those key policy areas - or even which policy areas are 'key'. If you believe that you're above the fray of ideological conflict, you are merely unaware of your role in it
@Rude_i_Wredne
@Rude_i_Wredne 2 ай бұрын
net favorability of -70% is absolutely wild
@Bushflare
@Bushflare 2 ай бұрын
IKR? Where’d that +30% come from?
@yurisei6732
@yurisei6732 2 ай бұрын
@@Bushflare -70% approval means 15% favour, since to get net -70 you have to have +15 and -85.
@Bushflare
@Bushflare 2 ай бұрын
@@yurisei6732 Ngl my dude, it was just a joke.
@potato_nugget
@potato_nugget 2 ай бұрын
​@@BushflareWhat is that even supposed to mean? He was explaining that you misunderstood the number, how does it being just a joke change that?
@Bushflare
@Bushflare 2 ай бұрын
@@potato_nugget Because I’m not actually asking for an explanation of where the +30 came from, I’m making a statement of incredulity that there’s anyone left in the country to poll who doesn’t hate them.
@Deathstrider
@Deathstrider 2 ай бұрын
If continuous governments continue to ignore or throw away the opinions of the electorate the moment they step into Downing Street Reform will continue going up and up.
@johnbutcher2587
@johnbutcher2587 2 ай бұрын
Yes they may get 6 seats next time 😂
@clownofthetimes6727
@clownofthetimes6727 2 ай бұрын
@@johnbutcher2587 🤣🤣Next time? Next time it will be a majority. You dont follow political trends do you? Reform is sky rocketing in the polls. 1 point behind the Torys and only 13 points behind Labour. Now is there anything that might happen in the next 5 years that could make an anti immigration party even stronger? Is there anything that a pro immigration Labour party might do to boost Reforms numbers? It is as simple as this, more immigration = Nigel Farage as the UK`s next PM.
@louiscypher4186
@louiscypher4186 2 ай бұрын
​@@clownofthetimes6727 whilst the guy's a dick he's right. Whilst reform has growing support, the support they have is scattered across the country. You have to look at the levels of support for each seat. Based on current trends it's unlikely that they can win anymore than 12 seats. As you said things are likely to change moving forward. But based on current data it appears the UK is going to be stuck with at least 10 years of Starmers anti-british regime.
@clownofthetimes6727
@clownofthetimes6727 2 ай бұрын
@@louiscypher4186 Reform came second in a lot, a real lot of Labour constituencies. They have a strong base in the north and midlands of England. Now considering Labour are acting like they are a pro immigrant party then I can see an increase in support in these areas for a anti immigration party. Labour will not repeat their success in 5 years time. So logically the 2nd most successfull party will take those seats which is Reform. Look at an electoral map, check out who came in second. It is Reform purple all over the place. p.s. I am not a reform voter.
@mzo.7333
@mzo.7333 2 ай бұрын
​@@clownofthetimes6727loooooooooool sigh
@WandererSEA-be3be
@WandererSEA-be3be 2 ай бұрын
I don't smoke, but I do not intend to restrict their rights at all.
@andystevenson3638
@andystevenson3638 2 ай бұрын
Reform already are the opposition. The Tories and Labour have been the same thing for over 20 years.
@shamrock141
@shamrock141 2 ай бұрын
They're not, and it's not even close. Reform got the ex-tory vote, conservatives who wanted to vote right wing but didn't want the Tories, they'll go back to the Tories come next election cycle in order to get a chance at unseating Labour. Reform will be like the right wing version of the Greens, nothing more
@RobinHarris-nf4yv
@RobinHarris-nf4yv 2 ай бұрын
Not true, Corbyn wasn’t saying the same thing at all Reform and Tories are the same
@CoolMaster-gr3bp
@CoolMaster-gr3bp 2 ай бұрын
@@RobinHarris-nf4yvTell that to the folks screaming bloody murder about how far right Reform is.
@stephenoxf
@stephenoxf 2 ай бұрын
@@CoolMaster-gr3bp Well, they're culturally further right.
@catsandcrafts171
@catsandcrafts171 2 ай бұрын
The recent Tories and Labour, both Corbyn Labour and Starmer Labour, could not be further apart. There simply isn't any commonality. I'm not sure what policies you are looking at?
@fishergabe
@fishergabe 2 ай бұрын
video is great example of why FPtP is awful
@koffee3816
@koffee3816 2 ай бұрын
it shows how good our system is, despite 10 idiots from every council estate voting reform.
@dresdi
@dresdi 2 ай бұрын
so funny how people only are complaining about FPtP now that it affects the right
@cgt3704
@cgt3704 2 ай бұрын
​@@dresdi oh please this complaint has been going on for longer than that.
@jasonhaven7170
@jasonhaven7170 2 ай бұрын
@@dresdi good keep the far right at bay
@Iltazyara
@Iltazyara 2 ай бұрын
@@cgt3704 And it's always been shouted down, ignored, pushed to the side... by the very people now complaining mightily that their folk got horridly shafted by it. I.E. it was only allowed to be mainstream, or discussed at all without riddicule, once the right-wing got affected by it.
@axepagode4321
@axepagode4321 2 ай бұрын
Can you make the number of seats that Reform UK has make sense. They got third place with 14% and got 5 seats. However, the party in fourth place with 12% got 72 seats. Please make this make sense.
@outtheredude
@outtheredude 2 ай бұрын
If votes were applied on a nationwide basis only, that would be proportional representation, resulting in far more seats for Reform UK. First Past The Post on the other hand is based on who wins the most votes on a region by region basis. Reform UK's vote was strong nationally, but weak on a region by region basis, as the vote was too diffuse for Reform UK to win more seats. FPTP just happens to work well for large established parties, but makes it disproportionately harder for small parties to gain a real chance of seizing power. Hence the fluke super majority for Labour when the Conservatives fell apart.
@GeorgeGreenfield-ew1rm
@GeorgeGreenfield-ew1rm 2 ай бұрын
It's basically to do with the density of people with certain political views, that's why a lot of people are arguing for proportional representation because it would better represent every individual people
@aliensliveinme
@aliensliveinme 2 ай бұрын
In a constituency every vote not for the winning party is effectively wasted, as is every vote for the winner in excess of the 2nd place party +1. So for example say you have a constituency that had this vote share Reform 10,000 Labour 4,000 Tories 3,000 Etc. 6000 of those votes for reform Don't actually do anything to benefit them in parliament. In another example say it looked like Labour 6,000 Tory 5,000 Reform 4,800 Etc. Again those 4,800 votes did nothing to translate into MPs So yeah in the case of reform it's more a result of getting low levels of support widely across the UK but not enough to swing seats (example 2). Whereas the lib Dems saw their fewer votes concentrated over a smaller area which allowed them to win more seats (more of example 1)
@TheWebstaff
@TheWebstaff 2 ай бұрын
Worth saying voting would be different without fptp. I for one would have voted lib dem over labour.
@jamesmacdonald1116
@jamesmacdonald1116 2 ай бұрын
I found it funny that it's historically been the Lib Dems who have been crying for PR, they get 12% of the vote and 12% of the seats and suddenly they stop piping up. Odd that.
@lordyrich
@lordyrich 2 ай бұрын
If the main parties ignore the concerns of the people then Reform will continue to grow.
@tempejkl
@tempejkl 2 ай бұрын
Because the ‘concerns of the people’ are privatising the NHS and removing human rights 😂
@HopeGreen-m7i
@HopeGreen-m7i 2 ай бұрын
NAH NO CHANCE BUT LET FARAGED HOPE, THAT,S ALL THIS RACIALIST HAS HIS WHOLE FAMILLY ARE GERMAN AND FRENCH BY THE WAY, DEMAND HE LEAVES THE UK LOL, AND TAKES THE BRAVER NEEDS A MAN WITH HIM SO RACIALIST AGAINST THE LIGHT SKINNED
@kanedNunable
@kanedNunable 2 ай бұрын
reform wont solve anything tho. they are just turbo tories. they will only make things worse.
@monkeymox2544
@monkeymox2544 2 ай бұрын
If by 'concerns of the people' you mean 'the hysteria around immigration caused by right-wing tabloid newspapers', the problem isn't that those things are being 'ignored.' The problem is that the main parties have bought into the nonsense and lies, but don't appear to be as tough on those fake issues as Reform. What Labour should be doing is addressing the real problems, in order to show the people who have been tricked into scapegoating immigrants just how idiotic reform's narrative is. But they won't do that, because that would mean pursuing policies which would piss off rich people.
@RobinHarris-nf4yv
@RobinHarris-nf4yv 2 ай бұрын
The concerns of the people are No1 economy / cost of living No 2 public services Immigration is not the top concern…..and in any case Reform have zero solutions for either small boats or normal immigration routes
@legomovieman2
@legomovieman2 2 ай бұрын
If the Tories are just Blue Blairities then yeah don't be too shocked.
@ayylmao2569
@ayylmao2569 2 ай бұрын
Their financing is finished, the tories are broke in every aspect. ReformUK is sucking up it's wealthy donors and paying members like a vacuum cleaner, I wouldn't be surprised if we see more tory councillor defections (there have been a large number of them recently)
@Jamacianwoodbine
@Jamacianwoodbine 2 ай бұрын
Tories are blue blairites and Labour are red tories both are neoliberal parties
@mrnotverycool3800
@mrnotverycool3800 Ай бұрын
Reform are light-blue blairites. They sound like a bunch wokies these days.
@ce017
@ce017 2 ай бұрын
If you need farages' growing popularity explained to you then you are probably one of the reasons his popularity is growing
@a_capitalist
@a_capitalist 2 ай бұрын
Big Chungus Guy becoming the opposition before GTA VI 🗣️🗣️
@supersuede91
@supersuede91 2 ай бұрын
Pepe momento
@flowerpower223
@flowerpower223 2 ай бұрын
sigma sigma spider climbed up the skibidi spout.
@longiusaescius2537
@longiusaescius2537 2 ай бұрын
🗣️
@AnythingForSouls
@AnythingForSouls 2 ай бұрын
what have you done with big chungus I saw you vent in electrical
@alexb5815
@alexb5815 2 ай бұрын
As free speech becomes more and more constrained plus the perception of two tier ruling increases people will turn to the alternative who offer clear distance and rule for the majority
@michaelcoward1902
@michaelcoward1902 2 ай бұрын
Nothing has happened to Free speech, you're just having a temper tantrum because for once in your life people are criticizing you for the stupid things you say.
@michaelaltun
@michaelaltun 2 ай бұрын
Im a forgiener living in britain for 25 out of his 30 years on earth. Love the UK and I voted Reform this year. The country has changed for the worst and we need someone with a strong stance against the current government. I think for 2024 people werent aware of how popular reform would be or even if their vote would matter to vote Reform. in the next Election you bet REFORM will be pivotal for the country. they are very likely to win the elections.
@JoeeyTheeKangaroo
@JoeeyTheeKangaroo 2 ай бұрын
If you are a foreigner you shouldn't have a vote.
@easyestentertainment3753
@easyestentertainment3753 2 ай бұрын
Big chungus sends his regards
@rrichard0234
@rrichard0234 2 ай бұрын
USE CODE 'AMONG US' FOR A TWENTY DOLLAR DISCOUNT
@jaxonjaxon9901
@jaxonjaxon9901 2 ай бұрын
Sigma, sigma on the wall, who is the skibidiest of them all?
@arlosmith2784
@arlosmith2784 2 ай бұрын
The reality: Tories got so comfortable governing for 14 years that they don't know how to operate in opposition. Reform has filled this vacuum. 👍
@alibushell6762
@alibushell6762 2 ай бұрын
You're really not wrong. It wouldn't have taken much for them to have slipped behind the Lib Dems and then that would have looked like a very different political sphere in terms of opposition because it wouldn't have been Labour just saying "it's all your fault".
@christiangarau7647
@christiangarau7647 2 ай бұрын
I'm Italian and I live in the UK with double citizenship and I'm indeed not sympathizing at all immigration policies by the Tories and the Labours! Our taxes are used as a forced charity!
@sakshambhadoria9998
@sakshambhadoria9998 2 ай бұрын
Mr farage is loud, media savvy and has strong political beliefs which are resonating in a current socio-political atmosphere marred by economic downturn, rising cost of living, credibility and legitimacy crisis with the elites,raging war on the continent and angst at the high immigration numbers both legal and illegal. These cultural and economic anxieties is fuelling his party's popularity with conservatives still failing to recover from a bruising electoral defeat.
@Hypnopotimus27
@Hypnopotimus27 2 ай бұрын
@@Derek-Trotter I thought it was spot on
@animalnt
@animalnt 2 ай бұрын
tbh no one needs an explanation anymore, just look out the window, look at your bills, look at your cities
@angelantayhua3096
@angelantayhua3096 2 ай бұрын
I rather vote libdem
@animalnt
@animalnt 2 ай бұрын
@@angelantayhua3096 yeah keep voting in circles that should do the trick 😂😂
@riazortho
@riazortho 2 ай бұрын
Lib Dems are much better than R*form
@Bigdave22779
@Bigdave22779 2 ай бұрын
​@@angelantayhua3096what a clown
@NeilAC78
@NeilAC78 2 ай бұрын
@@angelantayhua3096 Yes of course Libdem are going to fix this mess.. Vote for the same, get the same.
@AA-pk6fo
@AA-pk6fo 2 ай бұрын
erm, years of the establishment ignoring the working classes?
@Sarahbryson321
@Sarahbryson321 2 ай бұрын
Farage is the establishment you fool
@PascalGienger
@PascalGienger 2 ай бұрын
What did Farage and Brexit do for the working classes?
@joke_d
@joke_d 2 ай бұрын
@@PascalGienger Farage and Reform atleast give them a voice or a hope for actual change. What have the Tories and Labour done for them the past decades? Nothing but destroying the country and flooding it with a new foreign clientele. Both of these parties have promised to cut immigration for the past 5 decades but never followed through.
@AA-pk6fo
@AA-pk6fo 2 ай бұрын
@@PascalGienger govern me harder daddy
@Bigdave22779
@Bigdave22779 2 ай бұрын
​@@PascalGiengerwhat mandate was he given
@ramenisgood4u
@ramenisgood4u 2 ай бұрын
Not saying I'm a supporter of Reform or not, but in my opinion... They are the only party offering a different policy from ANY other major party on Immigration. Immigration is now consistently polling as the second/third most important issue for UK voters. All other UK parties on the left and right are pretending this issue is just fine and dandy, at a time where (perhaps a majority of) the electorate think it's not. Also, from anecdotal experience I believe the mainstream media's tendancy to cast them as "far-right", "facists", "racist", "whatever", only serves to energise their base... There's nothing like someone who hates you for your beliefs to pep you up to turn out and fight.
@foxbat51
@foxbat51 2 ай бұрын
I think immigration is a wedge issue, artificially inflated by interested parties. But it’s hard to accept immigration when your own country doesn’t look after you. That’s why, if it comes up, I always change the subject to inequality. People don’t want to accept migrants when our country is such a hard place to live in for some people.
@caiden5855
@caiden5855 2 ай бұрын
@@foxbat51 Immigrants are used to lower wages
@ivanivanovic5857
@ivanivanovic5857 2 ай бұрын
In reality, immigration is the top issue in the country. Housing, wages, inflation, tax, and more, are actually just issues of immigration in disguise. They are all downstream results of current immigration policies.
@bdizzle9586
@bdizzle9586 2 ай бұрын
Immigration is at the top of the list because the racist media want it to be. They don’t want you knowing where the money is actually going while you cry about foreigners. Every media personality you follow got a massive tax cut just now of Jeremy Hunt, but immigrants apparently. While you scream immigration, they’ve got their hands wrist deep in your pocket and you appears happy to let it continue
@lonyo5377
@lonyo5377 2 ай бұрын
They don't have any policy. At all. They didn't have a manifesto, they had a "contract", which they have now withdrawn. They have rhetoric and sound bites. They are "working on new ones"
@scarletcrusade77
@scarletcrusade77 2 ай бұрын
why are there so many fake bot porn accounts commenting
@unhippy1
@unhippy1 2 ай бұрын
Neo-marxists doing their usual trying to scream down any other opinion by any means necessary
@Bushflare
@Bushflare 2 ай бұрын
Because British politics is thoroughly fucked. (Badum-Tish)
@archieenry1601
@archieenry1601 2 ай бұрын
Because youtube has no method or want to stop the insane amount of bots that get pumped into the comments.
@Bushflare
@Bushflare 2 ай бұрын
@@archieenry1601 You wanna come out to the desktop and say that to my interface, punk?
@TheHoveHeretic
@TheHoveHeretic 2 ай бұрын
Because the fake investment bots are having the day off?
@HavokR505
@HavokR505 2 ай бұрын
the Tories are not right wing in the slightest. no difference between tories and labor
@caspy-fn
@caspy-fn 2 ай бұрын
The Tories and Labour are right wing
@Periodedetelevision-jo6oz
@Periodedetelevision-jo6oz 2 ай бұрын
@@caspy-fn no not really unless your comparing to outright socialism
@caspy-fn
@caspy-fn 2 ай бұрын
@@Periodedetelevision-jo6oz yes really. Have you heard the rhetoric Starmer has been spreading? It's neo-liberal shit. That's not left wing.
@Chadrick2
@Chadrick2 2 ай бұрын
@@caspy-fn Right wing communists?
@caspy-fn
@caspy-fn 2 ай бұрын
@@Chadrick2 Labour are not communists, heck I wish they were. They’re neo liberal.
@Themanwithnoname386
@Themanwithnoname386 2 ай бұрын
I really enjoyed your analysis. I do however think you're completely overthinking it. The Conservatives are no longer seen as right wing by so many people right of Labour, Lib dems, Greens ect. Reform has simply filled a void many people were crying out for. Can Reform deliver? Only time will tell but the Conservatives have made it much more likely they can.
@RobinHarris-nf4yv
@RobinHarris-nf4yv 2 ай бұрын
Reform are not filling a void people are crying out for Reform are populists selling snake oil and gaslighting people
@spacemario
@spacemario 2 ай бұрын
"is Reform UK becoming the opposition?" Always has been. Tories and Labour are about the same.
@the-blue-barron2791
@the-blue-barron2791 2 ай бұрын
🩵🇬🇧🩵🇬🇧🩵🇬🇧🩵
@kanedNunable
@kanedNunable 2 ай бұрын
reform and tories are basically the same.
@the-blue-barron2791
@the-blue-barron2791 2 ай бұрын
@@kanedNunable not at all
@mrcaboosevg6089
@mrcaboosevg6089 2 ай бұрын
@@kanedNunable Nigel has been talking about making a British constitution, net zero immigration, pro free speech. Tories are nothing like, Tories at best are a centrist party
@mattevans4377
@mattevans4377 2 ай бұрын
​@@kanedNunableTories without the globalism. Now if only we could get Labour without the globalism.....
@crabsy6452
@crabsy6452 2 ай бұрын
If labour dont get their shit straight then reform will win the next election.
@michaelcoward1902
@michaelcoward1902 2 ай бұрын
IS this the same Reform that abandoned it's manifesto two months after the election? The same Reform that doesn't tell us where it's funding comes from, and has been struggling with money since the sanctions against Russia were put in place?
@Hypnopotimus27
@Hypnopotimus27 2 ай бұрын
Reform wont be allowed to win just like the AFD in Germany. "unexpected" errors will occur in the system and will bring their vote count down below the necessary position to win.
@johnj4860
@johnj4860 15 күн бұрын
I think liebour have already killed themselves. Who wants to be governed by champagne socialists? Odd how many millionaires are amongst their numbers pretending to be in tune with the people they pretend to represent
@baders087
@baders087 2 ай бұрын
I swear in my head 2009 is still only like 5 years ago, and I thought wow that’s some young smokers
@alexandru5369
@alexandru5369 2 ай бұрын
U.k> Has a massive knife crime issue U.K.: let's focus on outside smoking um what??
@scarfholdgraphicsmedia9501
@scarfholdgraphicsmedia9501 2 ай бұрын
And those gangs work for whom? Wake up.
@michaelcoward1902
@michaelcoward1902 2 ай бұрын
The UK had a massive Knife Crime Issue when Rishi and Johnson were in charge, I didn't see you whinging about it then.
@alexandru5369
@alexandru5369 2 ай бұрын
@@michaelcoward1902 They had it before Tories too it was ignored till then
@andreasarnoalthofsobottka2928
@andreasarnoalthofsobottka2928 2 ай бұрын
You can't duck up in opposition, only in gouvernment.
@HopeGreen-m7i
@HopeGreen-m7i 2 ай бұрын
FARAGED CAN, HE HAS !!!SOME SUPPORT HIS SEXUAL ABUSING MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN IN JAIL JUST AS TOMMY ROBBING SON FOLLOWERS WERE EX PAEDEOPHILES ON PAROLE OR RELEASED FROM LOL
@Ruddpocalypse
@Ruddpocalypse 2 ай бұрын
Quack
@allytank-itykitty7417
@allytank-itykitty7417 2 ай бұрын
that's why nigel is attacking so much, he knows he wont ever have to prove his plans work so its fair game for him. god forbid he ever gets in power he will most likely be fucked and people will then find out he is just an antagonist.
@diningroomtableYT
@diningroomtableYT 2 ай бұрын
You clearly fucked up the spelling of that comment.
@zacharysilver911
@zacharysilver911 2 ай бұрын
@@diningroomtableYTAutocorrect does that all the time
@tjadams8
@tjadams8 2 ай бұрын
Someone needs to make a "Stabbing UK" Nebula Originals too..
@dftfire
@dftfire 2 ай бұрын
People then: "Brexit shouldn't happen, 52% of the vote isn't big enough to make a major change to this country. Also, if you add all of those who didn't vote to the 'no' vote, you actually get just 37% supporting Leave, which isn't good enough" People now: "of course Labour have a mandate to make big changes to this country on 34% of the popular vote, as they got the most SEATS, and that's all that matters! And you can't argue that they only got 20% if you also include those who didn't vote, as they don't count. They should have voted, that's their fault! 😂" And people wonder why more and more people are turning off from politics? 🤷🏻‍♂️
@TheHoveHeretic
@TheHoveHeretic 2 ай бұрын
Thing is that, wherever you're coming from, counted as their own bloc, the non-voters in ANY election have a fair chance of coming in 2nd place. In local council elections, more often than not that's 1st place. It's also an inconvenient truth that neither side in ANY binary debate can claim to enjoy the support of non-participants ... whatever they may claim. Then you have situations such as referendums, where a single issue (be it Scottish independence, brexit, voting systems, or doggy-do on the village green) can and regularly do engage some from those normally uninvolved demographics (because you can't assume all non-votes share the same rationale for being a no-show at the ballot box). Trust NO-ONE who claims there's a simple answer. It's by no means certain there's a complex one.
@lukeneilson9799
@lukeneilson9799 2 ай бұрын
You are forgetting that if you add all the progressive Green, Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and Independent candidate votes, it still adds up to 56%. So, yes although Labour shouldn't have a majority in a fairer system, people still voted for progressive parties overall.
@RobinHarris-nf4yv
@RobinHarris-nf4yv 2 ай бұрын
Strawman argument People who argue 52% wasn’t a clear mandate also recognise Labour won on a very small vote share
@dftfire
@dftfire 2 ай бұрын
@@lukeneilson9799 Well I'm not sure about including independent candidates, as it might take some time to look into who is left leaning and who right. But for the larger, mainstream parties: sure, you could argue they are all "left leaning" (though I'm sure the Lib Dems used to be more centrist?), but they don't agree on every policy, as we've seen over the recent Winter Fuel Allowance issue. So compared to Brexit and the one question, can the voters of those parties really all be lumped together? Especially as then it begs the question: if they all agree with each other, why didn't they all just vote Labour? 🤷🏻‍♂️
@dftfire
@dftfire 2 ай бұрын
@@RobinHarris-nf4yv Yes, but many of those people are still happy for Labour to do whatever they need to, despite their low vote-share. That's my point. Either 52% isn't good enough, and so neither is 34%, or both are. I never said people don't acknowledge both figures occurred
@cadebradbury9334
@cadebradbury9334 2 ай бұрын
Wait, how are you claiming the Greens are more popular? Reform got more votes? The Greens are more popular within circles like ours but not in general
@jasonhaven7170
@jasonhaven7170 2 ай бұрын
Greens is more popular amongst the youth on average
@0Edm0
@0Edm0 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for pointing this out. This channel is claiming to be neutral but quite often slightly left leaning.
@ChrisGeorge-yp7jv
@ChrisGeorge-yp7jv 2 ай бұрын
They are using the recent 'favorability' poll that looks at how 'happy' people are with the party post election. The popularity comment isn't about voter numbers at the last election, it is about post election sentiment
@matthewparker9276
@matthewparker9276 2 ай бұрын
From context it sounds like they were using net favourability, where the greens would benefit from being relatively uninteresting compared to reform. Where people either approve or disapprove of reform, they just don't care about the greens.
@CountDadLord
@CountDadLord 2 ай бұрын
I think they mean those parties have better "net favourable" ratings on Yougov etc, but it was inelegantly phrased for sure.
@UIM_Moose
@UIM_Moose 2 ай бұрын
The way things are going they're gonna wind up in office
@daikucoffee5316
@daikucoffee5316 2 ай бұрын
Huh? Labour has 5 years ahead no matter what.
@UIM_Moose
@UIM_Moose 2 ай бұрын
@daikucoffee5316 i didn't say right now did I? 🙄
@bertrandrussell894
@bertrandrussell894 2 ай бұрын
@@daikucoffee5316 Id not be too sure of that. They are an unmitigated disaster so far and I do not believe they are capable of substantive change.
@JonathanStockill
@JonathanStockill 2 ай бұрын
They have 5 seats 😂
@UIM_Moose
@UIM_Moose 2 ай бұрын
@JonathanStockill honestly, that's 5 too many imo.
@vincentvangogh8092
@vincentvangogh8092 2 ай бұрын
UK media is making it so
@MrHarps
@MrHarps 2 ай бұрын
No they are not haha :D Nigel is hated by every single main news outlet the government that is in power hates him as well.
@HopeGreen-m7i
@HopeGreen-m7i 2 ай бұрын
in other words u ureself have no personel judgement it,s all the medias fault yada yada, where did u hide or loose ure own moral code?? just asking
@stearnsy4005
@stearnsy4005 2 ай бұрын
⁠@@HopeGreen-m7iit’s the exact opposite, if he had no personal judgement he would believe all the media’s bullshit. You have to have that to be able to see through the media’s bullshit. If you think for more than 2 seconds you might agree
@JasonAtlas
@JasonAtlas 2 ай бұрын
When was the last time you heard about the green party leader. You haven't or if you have it's not even close to the amount of times. The media platform Farrage. He makes considerably more appearances on news outlets than anyone from similarly sized parties.
@keoun9759
@keoun9759 2 ай бұрын
@@JasonAtlas I see him more than Labour and the Tories combined. Annoyingly so. Which is odd because I never like his stuff and limit my engagement with his videos but I'll constantly see his or GBNews clips appearing on youtube along with right wing channels I've never heard of, or see frequent influxes of tweets from him. I've seen a Labour thing once maybe twice. Most of the time I have to actively seek these out.
@BannersOnTheWall
@BannersOnTheWall 2 ай бұрын
Are there examples? No. Because shouting loudly and complaining isn't policy. An opposition of now would have a response and a counterpoint to the proposed legislation. This party of Mosley cosplayers are only in opposition to democratic consensus and decency.
@Jacks-g6w
@Jacks-g6w 2 ай бұрын
"An opposition of now would have a response and a counterpoint to the proposed legislation." reform does lol
@polixthepole
@polixthepole 2 ай бұрын
I’m glad I plan on leaving the country before the next election
@thatonebananabananaman8565
@thatonebananabananaman8565 2 ай бұрын
Polish people are alright but your foood is just soups and dumplings they taste bland sorry not sorry 😢
@zacharysilver911
@zacharysilver911 2 ай бұрын
Don’t come to America
@localreviewking134
@localreviewking134 2 ай бұрын
Wales?
@davidostrowski679
@davidostrowski679 2 ай бұрын
I left 8 years ago. Best thing you can ever do.
@Beauloqs
@Beauloqs 2 ай бұрын
​@@davidostrowski679 yup, best thing I ever did was leave.
@howarddavies3744
@howarddavies3744 2 ай бұрын
Wouldn't it be nice if the parties existed to serve instead of grabbing power?
@Minimmalmythicist
@Minimmalmythicist 2 ай бұрын
I think it´s unlikely, one reason is that established parties take a long time to die and the Tory party isn´t there yet.
@HopeGreen-m7i
@HopeGreen-m7i 2 ай бұрын
no matter how much tories try to dig themselves out of their self inflicted graves, they are done most of uk has a strong moral BASE
@Minimmalmythicist
@Minimmalmythicist 2 ай бұрын
@@HopeGreen-m7i Well, I mean they lost more votes to Reform than they did to Labour, and Reform are a much more extreme version of the Tories in some ways.
@clownofthetimes6727
@clownofthetimes6727 2 ай бұрын
Labour has just been elected on one of the lowest vote shares. Even the people who voted for Labour only did so to get rid of the Tories. They have also lost the working class to Reform. What is labour without the working class vote? It is the Liberal democrats. The Tory vote is still there. Labours has vote has disintergrated. I think Labour will be the big party that losses out, to Reform.
@johnburrows3385
@johnburrows3385 2 ай бұрын
He's a great communicator, he sounds authoritative and convincing, he offers simple solutions to complex problems, he's set himself up as an anti establishment alternative. God help us IMO.
@emanuel1940
@emanuel1940 2 ай бұрын
Populism in a nutshell.
@tiborsipos1174
@tiborsipos1174 2 ай бұрын
More like oversimplified and delusional. "we would have a paradise life if the whole world just agree with us" And they can "bash" literally any opposition because they "do not have the will to do the necessary steps" Its a social paradox because when a plan fails one part of people admits defeat and realise the world doesn't revolves around them while another group of people think they just didn't used enough brute force to make things work... And I wouldn't say he's a communicator. Farage is an egoistic manipulator who instantly brushes off responsibilities.
@tomli3898
@tomli3898 2 ай бұрын
Yet there is a very simply way Labour can get reform voters on side. Crack down on two tier policing and stop being in complete denial about the refugee crisis. Before you jump the gun, I voted for Labour to get the tories out, and the only thing I’ve seen so far is the other side of the same coin.
@nodruj8681
@nodruj8681 2 ай бұрын
@@emanuel1940 The opposite site literally allowed mass SA against women because they were scared of being racist.. yet some charismatic center right lad is the issue?
@lonyo5377
@lonyo5377 2 ай бұрын
We have to just wait for him to get bored again. He's already bored of being an MP
@paullewis2413
@paullewis2413 2 ай бұрын
Reform have some good ideas but their anti-EU agenda is not in the country’s interest. It might be worth reflecting on why Poland can thrive in the EU while Brexiteers are convinced the U.K. is better off outside the block.
@Ma_0fficial
@Ma_0fficial 2 ай бұрын
You are comparing apples with oranges, poorer nations benefit far more than wealthier nations because they benefit from eu financial grants and financial support, Bulgaria’s entire metro system was built on EU money. It also gives their citizens access to benefits from wealthier eu member states which is not mutually beneficial.
@KnightRaymund
@KnightRaymund 2 ай бұрын
Opposition does not mean blindly opposing everything! A 5 person party is not the opposition.
@1SteveSmith
@1SteveSmith 2 ай бұрын
Eventually we will have an AI algorithm running the country and the PM will just be saying exactly what the AI tells him / her to say.
@velocirapture89
@velocirapture89 Ай бұрын
Welcome your new PM, Sir Skynet Hamilton!
@johnj4860
@johnj4860 15 күн бұрын
There'll be no need for a PM if AI rules. Voice synthesisation is old hat.
@1SteveSmith
@1SteveSmith 15 күн бұрын
@@johnj4860 AI with a human to front it would be far more socially acceptable tho wouldn't it ?
@EdFortune
@EdFortune 2 ай бұрын
Could TLDR cover the allegations of Russia Today influencing US media? Maybe there's some cross-over here with this particular news story...
@ObnoxiousOtter8
@ObnoxiousOtter8 2 ай бұрын
Preeeeeeecisely.
@therealbaylee
@therealbaylee 2 ай бұрын
Russia is likely pushing a pro islam pro palestine messaging to destabilise the west.
@jasondonaldson7412
@jasondonaldson7412 2 ай бұрын
Reform for me
@orcho141
@orcho141 2 ай бұрын
They seem to be the only ones willing to do anything about unwanted migration, and that's the number 1 issue for about half the UK population. Saved you a 10 min video.
@starlinguk
@starlinguk 2 ай бұрын
The only "migration problem" is people hating immigrants for no reason whatsoever.
@bretonneux3389
@bretonneux3389 2 ай бұрын
yep. But do they really want to rule ? their whole economics programme is a mix of keynesianism somehow promised along tax cuts, along with libertarian lalaland. True, after Brexit, nobody really is going to ever trust Farage again on economics. But it's easy to promise you're going to crush immigration numbers without saying how while staying out power, knowing that talking only about immigration may make you a strong opposition party, but not a government party.
@anjelkanja8032
@anjelkanja8032 2 ай бұрын
They want to destroy the uk's position as a country that upholds international law by refusing to uphold our obligations under the 1951 refugee convention
@sirgo0se97
@sirgo0se97 2 ай бұрын
The problem is him saying net zero migration includes LEGAL migration, which is real handy economically. I can understand both sides saying whether those on the boats are an economic good or bad in the long run but that’s only 10% of all migration.
@tempejkl
@tempejkl 2 ай бұрын
@@sirgo0se97Plus he wont end illegal immigration. Just like the tories. Its too profitable
@craigsanderson2858
@craigsanderson2858 2 ай бұрын
At 21seconds, it should be described as right-leaning and not right-wing :)
@leaveourstatuesalone.3378
@leaveourstatuesalone.3378 2 ай бұрын
This is TDLR a very Left leaning channel, some may say Far Left….👍🏿✝️
@riazortho
@riazortho 2 ай бұрын
Both statements are correct, so they're not wrong
@longiusaescius2537
@longiusaescius2537 2 ай бұрын
@riazortho eh
@jimwitt21
@jimwitt21 2 ай бұрын
Starmer hasn't exactly helped with this daft smoking ban.
@ABritishGamer1
@ABritishGamer1 2 ай бұрын
The same smoking ban the Tories were trying to get through before losing the election.
@TheGalifrey
@TheGalifrey 2 ай бұрын
Clearly he doesn't think enough pubs have gone bust yet and thinks he can wipe a few more out 🙄
@slipperywinston4076
@slipperywinston4076 2 ай бұрын
I voted for the guy and even I can't make sense of it. I don't think he realises how many pubs in this country are on the brink. It might be popular amongst the general public but it won't reflect well on him when a wave of pubs close down because of this stupid bill.
@iron_patriotmcoc6981
@iron_patriotmcoc6981 2 ай бұрын
I supported the general labour policies and ideas overall, but the fact that this has somehow ended up being a major thing, and has been one of the first policies the new government has implemented, idk, why is this even a thing there’s far bigger problems parliament should be focusing on
@davidellis1355
@davidellis1355 2 ай бұрын
Seems like a good idea to me
@ragw33d
@ragw33d 2 ай бұрын
since the 90's its been hard to see any real difference between tory and labour. The rise of SNP in Scotland showed this also regardless of if people supported indy ref or not its the change and something different that is needed. The US election has also showed this as well that 2 party politics is not good for a country.
@johnj4860
@johnj4860 15 күн бұрын
Both labour and Tory simply would not listen to the wishes of the population. Instead they lectured the public, recited the racist mantra at every opportunity and blundered blindly on.
@wentoneisendon6502
@wentoneisendon6502 2 ай бұрын
I voted reform and I'm proud of it. I don't tell anyone tho
@armaan6101
@armaan6101 Ай бұрын
So then ur not proud of it cuz u cant tell anyone
@fastsnake
@fastsnake 2 ай бұрын
I love your videos but when the final advert is now making a third of the total length...
@Jennyeq
@Jennyeq 2 ай бұрын
Can anyone be blamed for looking at the current state of the UK and wanting better? The crime, violence, migrants given preferential treatment in jobs, housing - even in the law.
@sirgo0se97
@sirgo0se97 2 ай бұрын
Legally no, existing citizens receive priority despite how much disinformation is going around to the contrary. In regards to the law I’m assuming you’re referring to the two tier policing conspiracy, which to be honest is only really propped up by people on twitter and the Daily Mail/GB News (not particularly reputable news sources).
@atonito5062
@atonito5062 2 ай бұрын
I mean. You chose to believe what your preferred party tells you the problem is. Immigration is a crisis everywhere in Europe. The reality is far away from what you are claiming to be, there are no country that gives preference to immigrants. Your party just takes one problem and turn it into racisim
@tempejkl
@tempejkl 2 ай бұрын
Wanting better? So they wouldn’t vote reform
@Jennyeq
@Jennyeq 2 ай бұрын
@@sirgo0se97 that's simply not true. Whether it be jobs, housing or education- migrants are put before British - and even in law, white people are more likely to be investigated and then given a harsher sentence if found guilty.
@mikefish8226
@mikefish8226 2 ай бұрын
​@@sirgo0se97 You could argue on your first point, you'd be wrong, as it's a de jure vs de facto discussion. On two tier policing, it beyond argument, there's two tier policing.
@tancreddehauteville764
@tancreddehauteville764 2 ай бұрын
Reform UK has a limit to what support they can obtain. I would say that if LibDems and Greens can form a coalition, they could pose a far more credible challenge to Labour.
@jamieeddolls5605
@jamieeddolls5605 2 ай бұрын
Lmao I don't think those parties have much in common. LibDems are the 'I'm left wing but I don't like labour' vote and Greens are some unholy combination of islamists, dim college students and net zero investors
@jhunt5578
@jhunt5578 2 ай бұрын
By pledging what? An insane amount of borrowing.
@yousausage
@yousausage 2 ай бұрын
NeT zErO garbage.
@SgtAndrewM
@SgtAndrewM 2 ай бұрын
But they're basically the same on all the key issues so where exactly would the opposition be?
@joke_d
@joke_d 2 ай бұрын
Greens are just melons, green on the outside red on the inside. LibDems are the same for all that actually matters. They're all the same for what matters.
@bt82
@bt82 2 ай бұрын
Labour have been a disaster after only a few months, no honeymoon period for Starmer. I dread to think where we will be in 5 years. The tories might elect a leader who says the right things but their problem will be credibility after failing to deliver on their policies before. If the tories elect a wet then it’s over for them. Farage looks more appealing by the day.
@cheeks7050
@cheeks7050 2 ай бұрын
This channel poses as centrist but it often leaves out key facts that make the picture appear more left wing.
@freniisammii
@freniisammii 2 ай бұрын
"This channel doesn't praise my political party well enough, therefore they're communists" 🙄
@michaelcoward1902
@michaelcoward1902 2 ай бұрын
You mean it doesn't pander to your ideology and that makes you sulk?
@cheeks7050
@cheeks7050 2 ай бұрын
@@michaelcoward1902 No I mean it poses as centrist but is slightly left biased.
@macvena
@macvena 2 ай бұрын
Reform UK is the only party representing the native population who only want a modicum or order, transparency and fairness.
@yeeticus7206
@yeeticus7206 2 ай бұрын
As a reform U.K. voter I want to explain while I (for the most part) support first past the post. Yes, it benefits established parties and yes it is clearly less democratic, but it is fantastic for stability. I voted reform, because I genuinely felt like they made the best case to what I care about. However, if reform got into power immediately after the conservatives after not really establishing themselves for a very long time, then (while i think policy wise they were the best option) that would have been a very reactionary vote and destabilised the nation considerably. Look at the political turmoil in Europe from representative elections allowing reactionary left and right parties more of a say. Thats not to say it doesn’t have issues that need fixing, 4m voters represented by 5 MPs should never happen and a Labour Party with such a super majority with so few votes should also not happen, so there are things with FPTP that need fixing but we shouldn’t get rid of it. Come the next election cycle farage will be able to establish his party better and get some serious seats come 2029. But for the most part I like the fact that FPTP forces Britain to only make slow shifts in politics and can help keep our political landscape stable, only with long established support will the nations direction change. The system needs reform but we need to be cautious about ending it completely
@NovImpression-sh1kz
@NovImpression-sh1kz 2 ай бұрын
The main are doing everything they can to destabilise the country.
@Bigdave22779
@Bigdave22779 2 ай бұрын
Yes it's great for stability, just look how all your towns and cities have been turned into Karachi, stability is great
@yeeticus7206
@yeeticus7206 2 ай бұрын
@@Bigdave22779 countries in Europe with proportional representation have the exact same issue so you can’t blame FPTP for that
@thesmithersy
@thesmithersy 2 ай бұрын
Reform can win in the areas that the Tories wouldn't be touched with a barge pole while the Tories can still get a lot of their heartland back because they still have a core that find Reform unpalatable. The natural thing the Tories have to do when they get a new leader, is to make some sort of deal with Reform because that is an awful lot of seats to have to claw back without Labour imploding.
@joke_d
@joke_d 2 ай бұрын
At the currant rate I don't find Labour imploding that unreasonable lol, but yeah
@Harroi
@Harroi 2 ай бұрын
No
@SmokingJoe-y3g
@SmokingJoe-y3g 2 ай бұрын
We often confuse the media obsession, relentless promotion and endless BBCQT appearances with grassroots popularity. They're never the same.
@sunn1011
@sunn1011 2 ай бұрын
**Let’s Get Rid of the ECHR - Who Needs Rights Anyway?** So here’s the deal, folks. Apparently, there's this thing called the European Court of Human Rights-ECHR for short, but I like to call it the *Bureau of You Can’t Do That*. And some people, bless their hearts, are suggesting we just... you know... *get rid of it*. Yeah, toss it out like yesterday’s moral responsibility. I mean, who *really* needs pesky things like “rights,” am I right? Rights are for suckers. Rights are for people who *don't* want to get frisked for wearing the wrong t-shirt or for asking, "Hey, what exactly is in this tap water?" Here’s what’s *amazing* about this plan: if we scrap the ECHR, we can finally do away with all that irritating business about “freedom from torture.” Seriously. I can’t be the only one thinking: “Oh no, how am I gonna get through the week without a little bit of light waterboarding?” It’s called *Monday motivation*, people. Ever tried to start your workday without a bit of enhanced interrogation? You should. But wait, there’s more! Without the ECHR telling us we can’t violate privacy, the government could finally watch *everything*. Forget about Big Brother-I'm talking *Big Daddy*. Total surveillance, 24/7. Every move you make, every breath you take, they’ll be watching you like an obsessive ex who’s memorized your Starbucks order. Freedom of expression? Gone! You won’t have to worry about thinking for yourself anymore. Your opinions will be provided. I imagine they’ll come in lovely pre-approved packets: *Freedom Lite*, now with 30% less democracy! Remember that old right to a fair trial? Yeah, that’s a good one. We’re ditching that too. Who needs “innocent until proven guilty” when you can have “guilty until you prove you’re not in league with the lizard people”? Trials will be much quicker without all that pesky evidence and reason. “Your honor, we’ve got a hunch, and the defendant has shifty eyes.” Case closed. Next! Oh, and let’s not forget about freedom of assembly. Who *really* wants to go out and protest in the rain, anyway? Protesting is just a social gathering without snacks. *Who has time for that?* With no ECHR, the government can just ban all protests. You want to complain about your rights? Too bad. You’ll just have to do it *from your living room*, which, by the way, will be bugged. But the *best* part of this? No more meddling in government affairs. Without the ECHR looming over us, we can go back to the golden age of unaccountable governments doing whatever the hell they want. Corruption will flourish like a lovely, deadly mushroom, feeding off the rot of unrestrained power. Ah, that sweet smell of authoritarianism in the morning-smells like *progress*. So yeah, let’s ditch the ECHR. Because who needs human rights when you’ve got… what exactly? Oh right, *nothing*. Nothing except a deep, nagging feeling that maybe, just maybe, living in a surveillance state that can imprison you for jaywalking without a trial isn’t exactly the utopia they promised. But hey, who needs rights when you’ve got fear? Fear keeps you warm. It’s cozy in the surveillance state. They’re watching you, keeping you safe, keeping you in line, keeping you... quiet. Enjoy it while you can, because once your rights are gone, you're going to *love* having nothing left to complain about. Or, you know, you're *not allowed* to.
@editorrbr2107
@editorrbr2107 2 ай бұрын
Where do you think the right to fair trial came from? The common law of England. Where do you think the tenets of free speech came from, including petition and assembly? The fact you honestly think that rights that have been inherent in the British system for half of millennia or longer are somehow new to or require ECHR is absolutely mind-blowing. Please go back to school
@mattevans4377
@mattevans4377 2 ай бұрын
Or, and I know no in politics would back this because of ideology, we have a BCHR instead, the British Court of Human Rights. Then we can have honest conversations about what rights we want ourselves, rather than have another entity involved. And when I say honest I mean everyone gets a say in society not just the Tories/Reform
@ZemanTheMighty
@ZemanTheMighty 2 ай бұрын
Catastrophic level of yapping
@Glingo21
@Glingo21 2 ай бұрын
so what you're saying is that we SHOULD leave the EHCR, cool
@goughrmp
@goughrmp 2 ай бұрын
Imagine thinking all our human rights come from a foreign court
@harryhill-es5jk
@harryhill-es5jk 2 ай бұрын
Can’t be any worst then the Labour Party or tories and going vote reform next time
@simonhopkins3867
@simonhopkins3867 2 ай бұрын
Too early to say. If the Conservatives start pulling in the same direction or if they pull themselves apart! But Reform has a big part to play in this no matter what happens.
@Jimmy011087
@Jimmy011087 2 ай бұрын
They’re knackered either way. They lose 20% of their support if they pivot right toward reform and lose 20% if they go back to 1 nation toryism. Neither would give them enough people to coalition with Reform. Their biggest hope is still the left fracturing more under FPTP
@HopeGreen-m7i
@HopeGreen-m7i 2 ай бұрын
YEP HILIGHTING THE SEXUAL ABUSES AFTER ALL MORE MEMBERS OF REFORM??????? HAVE SPENT TIME IN JAIL FOR SEXUAL ABUSE AGAINST WOMEN, WOW, WHATEVER NEXT! THE MIND DOTH BOGGL, FARAGED NOW ABUSES! THE CHILDREN OF SAID WOMEN??? ALLEDEDGLY!! SO FAR!!!!!!!!!!!!
@HopeGreen-m7i
@HopeGreen-m7i 2 ай бұрын
yep, totaly destryt the nhs after all, more immigrants work for uk nhs than any british do lol, wow next year u be begging and pleading to fartingaged, for an aspirin
@outtheredude
@outtheredude 2 ай бұрын
The Tories become New Reform UK with their policies, Nigel steps aside, and they clean up the right wing vote. Assuming they're capable of pulling it off. Like they weren't with Brexit when UKIP stepped aside when they adopted it as their policy.
@grumpygit-sv1cg
@grumpygit-sv1cg 2 ай бұрын
It's one thing trying to wean people off starting smoking to outlawing it to those that are already hooked.
@random_gamer_guy82
@random_gamer_guy82 2 ай бұрын
The fact starmer referred to rishi yesterday as prime minister 3 times blows me away....how is this so called prime minister still calling rishi HIS JOB ROLE is just absolutely beyond me !!!
@latinus_iv
@latinus_iv 2 ай бұрын
5 times actually. This is what's known as 'Freudian slip' and reveals Starmer feels unworthy of his position. This insecurity will likely result in reckless decisions attempting to validate himself during his tenure.
@SinfullyHera
@SinfullyHera 2 ай бұрын
​@@latinus_ivHe already has made reckless decisions, just what I hoped when Labour won.
@JosephRobinsonSMBX
@JosephRobinsonSMBX 2 ай бұрын
Sigma sigma spider climbed up the skibidi spout -Nigel Farage
@az0th__
@az0th__ 2 ай бұрын
I think a left leaning anti immigration party would take away most of the power of Reform
@aidan11162
@aidan11162 2 ай бұрын
Think that one through. Since when has a left leaning party in the UK ever been hard on immigration
@moonshot9056
@moonshot9056 2 ай бұрын
Illegal immigration is not immigration, its a crime, it's like saying stealing from a shop is just shopping.
@bretonneux3389
@bretonneux3389 2 ай бұрын
oh yes. If the left finally came to his senses about immigration, and physical and cultural insecurity, instead of dreaming of borderless lalaland and replacing the defense of workers with the spoiled depressive kids BS & pseudoscience imported from american campuses, the far right would drop under 10 %. Thisis what happened everywhere where the left actually did this: Norway, Finnland, Denmark.
@lewis123417
@lewis123417 2 ай бұрын
They already exist. Their called the SDP
@TheHoveHeretic
@TheHoveHeretic 2 ай бұрын
How about a party (or limited company ... who's fussy?) for socialist leaning folk proud of their flag? Just to make it clear it's nothing nasty, put an appropriate word in, add something implying choice and you get National Socialist Democratic Alternative Party, the NSDA..... Oh .... hold on a sec ....
@professor_kraken
@professor_kraken 2 ай бұрын
There is nothing libertarian about Liz Truss' budget. I (not from UK) was very hopeful for her, but what she did with the massive spending increases is absolutely not libertarian.
@wc8246
@wc8246 2 ай бұрын
Just under 4 million votes as UKIP, just over 4 million votes as Reform. It doesn't feel like the biggest growth.
@Azmodaeus49
@Azmodaeus49 2 ай бұрын
Exactly, it didn't look like growth at all
@mattevans4377
@mattevans4377 2 ай бұрын
Percentage wise it's growth, because less people are voting in general
@FatMonkeyUK
@FatMonkeyUK 2 ай бұрын
A LOT less people voted this time. Yet they maintained and even exceeded their previous total votes. Doesn't take a genius to see that as massive growth.
@mattevans4377
@mattevans4377 2 ай бұрын
@@FatMonkeyUK It should also be pointed out their is massive political apathy, so that that problem might actually be sorted by the other parties getting their act together
@gdutfulkbhh7537
@gdutfulkbhh7537 2 ай бұрын
Brexit has been blamed for everything in recent years. UKIP would poll very badly, but as Reform they've grown. Interesting times.
@samscopeproductionz
@samscopeproductionz 2 ай бұрын
Not with 5 MPs they aren’t. They also secured a lower vote share than UKIP did in 2015.
@yicken4857
@yicken4857 2 ай бұрын
UKIP got about 13% in 2015 and Reform got over 14%
@samscopeproductionz
@samscopeproductionz 2 ай бұрын
@@yicken4857 higher percentage, but UKIP got more votes due to a higher turnout. But until they consolidate their voter base, they’re always going to be a fringe party like the greens.
@jibster148
@jibster148 2 ай бұрын
Immigration. It's immigration
@Britishscout2012
@Britishscout2012 2 ай бұрын
Which type?
@Orbital_Inclination
@Orbital_Inclination 2 ай бұрын
​@@Britishscout2012"something something boats, something something brown people" - Average reform voter response when asked about immigration
@Zion_z1488
@Zion_z1488 2 ай бұрын
​@@Orbital_Inclination Are they wrong? Not the slightest.
@MirmeciaSubversiva
@MirmeciaSubversiva 2 ай бұрын
Is just a word
@Great_WesternTVFan
@Great_WesternTVFan 2 ай бұрын
​@@Zion_z1488 so you say all immigrants are brown people and not White from Europe or USA?
@MrCarterrevolved
@MrCarterrevolved 2 ай бұрын
Great video! Balanced and honest! Bloody rare now!
@BlueW01f
@BlueW01f 2 ай бұрын
People keeps saying the large increase in reform vote share is impressive...but it's just identical to the vote share of UKIP...
@CB-dl1vg
@CB-dl1vg 2 ай бұрын
Labour 2019: 12 million votes Labour 2024: 9 million votes The loss of millions of voters and building government as a house on sand is also impressive
@BlueW01f
@BlueW01f 2 ай бұрын
@@CB-dl1vg did you respond to the correct comment? It's seems to be completely irrelevant?
@CB-dl1vg
@CB-dl1vg 2 ай бұрын
@@BlueW01f yes it’s correct. You’re implying that the reform vote share is unimpressive. I’m adding that the labour massive loss of votes is equally unimpressive (seeing as they won)
@BlueW01f
@BlueW01f 2 ай бұрын
@@CB-dl1vg I'm saying the idea that reforms share of the votes is impressive 'because of how they're a new party' is rather flawed...because the share of the vote they achieved is entirely the same as that of UKIP, garage's previous party. They've not increased votes, they've merely changed the name the voters tick. What's this got to do with labour again?
@OfficialUKGov
@OfficialUKGov 2 ай бұрын
​@@CB-dl1vgvoter turnout. Labour achieved 1.6% more votes.
@Dimitristhe
@Dimitristhe 2 ай бұрын
I believe that the same thing that happened to the Progressive Conservative party of Canada after the 1993 election will happen to the Conservatives in the near future.
@chazer0075
@chazer0075 2 ай бұрын
This country is so finished
@localreviewking134
@localreviewking134 2 ай бұрын
Nope, I still have to paint the garden fences. Then you can say finished.
@longiusaescius2537
@longiusaescius2537 2 ай бұрын
Why?
@julianengel492
@julianengel492 2 ай бұрын
If media keeps giving them the attention they need, they will be. And then you can make great videos on why our democracy is dieing. So thanks in advance!
@henrykjohn78
@henrykjohn78 2 ай бұрын
I'm glad reform exists, it splits the right-wing vote. This has been happening to left-wing voters for years! Most people vote for centrist or left wing parties and as a result the vote is split allowing the Tories to win seats with 30% of the vote. Reform is gonna split up these people and I'm so here for it. Keep the right out of power.
@praneethjayasimha5943
@praneethjayasimha5943 2 ай бұрын
you want to become islamic? then vote left
@MJW238
@MJW238 2 ай бұрын
@@praneethjayasimha5943If the left promises to ban all religion, will that make you happy?
@henrykjohn78
@henrykjohn78 2 ай бұрын
@praneethjayasimha5943 what policies/evidence do you have of left wing politicians suggesting they want everyone to become Muslim?
@tempejkl
@tempejkl 2 ай бұрын
@@praneethjayasimha5943…what the fuck are you talking about?
@dresdi
@dresdi 2 ай бұрын
@@praneethjayasimha5943 voting left is not one of the articles of faith in Islam
@way2tehdawn
@way2tehdawn 2 ай бұрын
How are Plaid Cymru more popular than Reform? 😆 Am I insane? Plaid: 0.7% of votes Reform: 14.3% of votes Reform clearly aren’t popular but after Red and Blue they are the third guy no?
@Adam-wg2rf
@Adam-wg2rf 2 ай бұрын
you can't hate something when you never heard about it's existence.
@mnm1273
@mnm1273 2 ай бұрын
Plaid Cymru doesn't field a candidate in most of the country (intentionally)... It's a ridiculous to use national vote results for a comparison
@way2tehdawn
@way2tehdawn 2 ай бұрын
@@mnm1273 So in what way then is Reform less popular than Plaid? I’m confused. Plaid received 200k votes in a country of 3.5mil or so. Reform received 4.1mil votes which is more votes than Welsh people living in wales. So Plaid got about 6% of wales to vote for it, Reform got about 8% of the entire UK to vote for it. It would just seem even given the handicap you spoke of Reform still more popular than Plaid, unless you mean in Wales in which case I don’t have the exact data for that.
@mnm1273
@mnm1273 2 ай бұрын
@@way2tehdawn My point is that your comparison of national vote makes no sense. Obviously, a national party is going to outperform a regional party on national vote share. And the popularity being measured in terms of favorability ratings. Because people can like more than one party but can only vote for one of them. That's not complicated.
@way2tehdawn
@way2tehdawn 2 ай бұрын
@@mnm1273 Do you have any data for this? I checked the favourability survey for the parties on YouGov for 2024 July. It seems that Reform UK does have higher favourability than Plaid. Am I missing something? I want to believe you but maybe it would help if I knew what data set you are using.
@johnallen7807
@johnallen7807 2 ай бұрын
We need electoral reform, anyone with a sense of ethics would realise they had no mandate to form a government with the support of just 20% of the electorate. I sent this letter to my Labour MP, Ian Lavery : Dear Mr.Lavery, 27 July 2024 2024 General Election result. I would like to know whether you consider the result of the general election on 4 July a fair outcome for the people of this country? Let us look at some of the figures : 1. The turnout - 59.1% or rather only 6 out of 10 of the electorate voted, one of the lowest turnouts since WW2 which should concern anyone who believes in democracy. 2.Labour got just 1.6% more votes than in 2019 but have 411 seats. 3.The Labour share of the vote was 33.7% but got 64% of the seats. 4. Cons on 6.8million (23.7%) and 121 seats (18%) 5. ReformUK got 4.1 million votes, (14%) yet only 5 MPs (1%) of the seats. 6..The LibDems got 3.8 million votes (13%) yet 72 MPs (13%) of the seats In summary an accurate reflection of votes to seats is as follows with the figures in brackets showing what they actually got: Labour 221 (411) Cons 150 (121) LibDems 84 (72) ReformUK 91 (5) In other words Labour got 190 more seats than they were entitled to while ReformUK got 86 less, this is the kind of result that would make even Vladimir Putin blush! It took about 800000 votes to get a ReformUK MP and 30000 to get a Labour one. It also allowed 5 Hamas terror group supporters with a tiny vote share to get 5 MPs, the same number as ReformUK. This has been the most unrepresentative election of the last 200 years, the Labour Party was supported by about 20% of the electorate which gives you no democratic mandate at all. The Labour conference in 2017 supported a change from FPTP to a PR system, will you now ensure your government moves to introduce it so that the 8 out of 10 people who did not support you have a voice? I look forward to your reply in the near future.
@lordnoodle2146
@lordnoodle2146 2 ай бұрын
What system would you introduce? My concern is if we made it law for people to have to vote and every vote counted equally. Just due to population size the city of London would have more voting power than Wales and Scotland. Which would sway politicians to focus on policies which would only favour urban areas with larger populations, increasing regional inequality. I am not saying this is the system you are proposing. I am just using an extreme case as a way to explain a concern a little more clearly
@Almirante1741
@Almirante1741 2 ай бұрын
​@@lordnoodle2146That is why they have autonomy. The UK needs a system like Israel, proportional representation where every vote counts the same
@johnallen7807
@johnallen7807 2 ай бұрын
@@lordnoodle2146 Personally I like STV as used in the last EU election, you can see the much higher turnout when people feel their vote is not wasted. I'm not in favour of forcing people to vote and I certainly would not support it unless there was a box on the paper marked "None of the above" My main concern is shaking the apathy of those who don't vote, no one can call our current system "democratic".
@nath9091
@nath9091 2 ай бұрын
Yes and no. The problem is that Labour, Greens and Lib Dems did major tactical voting for each other and are pretty similar in policy. They got 52.3% of the votes cast. Conservatives and Reform got 38%. Therefore left/liberal definitely won. You can only go with the people that vote even if turnout was low. I don't like where Starmers government is going at the moment (but I am a soft Tory) over freedoms with the response I believe is heavy handed for the riots (fast sentencing, long sentences for relatively minor stuff and releasing convicted people from prison early in the process seems insane), the fiscal thing (raise NI at least to what it was and stick a point on basic and higher) and the smoking thing
@johnallen7807
@johnallen7807 2 ай бұрын
@@nath9091 The key problem has been that for the last 40 years the Conservative Party has not been "conservative", they have allowed the education system to brainwash entire generations with "woke, net zero, anti free speech" beliefs. The key failure (or rather the deliberate policy) is immigration that will see the white British population a minority in our own country within 25 years according to the ONS. This is the first time in recorded history that an advanced civilisation has had leaders who have deliberately destroyed it!
@leaveourstatuesalone.3378
@leaveourstatuesalone.3378 2 ай бұрын
Vote Reform……❤👍🏿🇬🇧
@Theactivepsychos
@Theactivepsychos 2 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t be surprised if farage and GBNews get caught up in the Russian money scandal involving many right wing political KZbinrs.
@joke_d
@joke_d 2 ай бұрын
Yeah that would be terrible, it's not like the Tories or Labour are paid off by China or Israel or a number of other foreign agents also.
@michaelcoward1902
@michaelcoward1902 2 ай бұрын
Funny how Farage got into trouble with his super Dulux rich persons only bank account so soon after the Sanctions were placed on Russia and they couldn't pump roubles into the country anymore isn't it?
@amiemohan8578
@amiemohan8578 2 ай бұрын
Y afraid of right wing?? I feel Leftist n Wokes are absolute racist , extremist and causing chaos everywhere…These Left always giving voice for freedom of expression but never gave a chance to listen the voices of right wing…Leftist only good for ruining and mess around …
@matteocanova6173
@matteocanova6173 24 күн бұрын
Reform has our vote!!❤
@Jim-gf9tp
@Jim-gf9tp 2 ай бұрын
5:38 “Farage providing opposition…” Exactly. It’s not so much Reform being an 5:38 opposition party, as Farage being an opposition leader. The Reform Party is just The Nigel Farage Show.
@purpledevilr7463
@purpledevilr7463 2 ай бұрын
Given it’s him and 4 other blokes. Fair enough it’s his show.
@LuftWaffle89
@LuftWaffle89 2 ай бұрын
Farage can't even provide an office in Clatcon, never mind provide opposition. The man has been to America more times since being elected than he has been in his own constituency
@kwanlinus6999
@kwanlinus6999 2 ай бұрын
Farage modelled himself after Trump... Only Trump was even more skilful in that he somehow managed to hijack one of the US' longest serving established parties The GOP is actually doomed.
@josephnott2956
@josephnott2956 2 ай бұрын
A freak show ​@@purpledevilr7463
@neilbower9052
@neilbower9052 2 ай бұрын
@@purpledevilr7463 they ask the DUMBEST questions in parliament, just look at the absolute garbage SIX BOB GOB asks. he's an embarrassment to this country
@christopherhumphrys7398
@christopherhumphrys7398 2 ай бұрын
maybe stop calling everyone far right would help.
@Great_WesternTVFan
@Great_WesternTVFan 2 ай бұрын
Same time as stop self promoting their White British Christian heritage too much
@bramvanherck4107
@bramvanherck4107 2 ай бұрын
The UK are finally realizing the torries were terrible and are punishing them:🙂 They are now voting for the party who pushed the hardest for brexit: 🙃
@thunderbug8640
@thunderbug8640 2 ай бұрын
Brexit didn’t have to be a bad thing, however expecting the jellyfish we call politicians and leaders to handle it in a way which wouldn’t result in failure was the thing those who voted for Brexit got wrong. The real irony in Brexit though is that at its core it’s a right-wing idea, an idea which gained traction because of the left-wing lunacy Europe was experiencing at the time, now we have a left wing government with massive majority while most of Europe is going right.
@ollydavis2495
@ollydavis2495 2 ай бұрын
@@thunderbug8640i didnt vote brexit but yeah, the fact brexit voters got brexit passed through but now arent happy with it shows how mishandled it was. I would have prefered to stay EU but both had good arguments for and against to the point brexit could have worked if actually implemented properly
@scarfholdgraphicsmedia9501
@scarfholdgraphicsmedia9501 2 ай бұрын
​@@thunderbug8640 Wrong. Brexit was always a left wing project, only supported by a few neo-liberals on the hard right of the Tory party,including Farage. The difference here is that the leftwing Brexit was about political ideology whereas the right wing version was based on pure self-interest.
@thunderbug8640
@thunderbug8640 2 ай бұрын
@@scarfholdgraphicsmedia9501 You’re going to have to expand on your thinking there for me because from where I sit 25 years ago sure but not today.
@CB-dl1vg
@CB-dl1vg 2 ай бұрын
2 years of harsh lockdowns that killed 1000s of small businesses, ground the economy to a holt for 2 years and cost 400 billion to fix Ukraine war that caused a massive global increase in price of fuel and goods But of course ‘brexit bad 😭’ *cry 😂😂😂
@withonelook1985
@withonelook1985 2 ай бұрын
Ive never understood why polls exist in the UK. Why would anyone care what a poll says today when there isn't going to be a general election for five years?
@someidiotwithnoname
@someidiotwithnoname 2 ай бұрын
Yes. Reward the lair.
@Ryan-me9ge
@Ryan-me9ge 2 ай бұрын
Which one in which party?
@someidiotwithnoname
@someidiotwithnoname 2 ай бұрын
@@Ryan-me9ge Good point. One of his strong points was that when the Brexit is done there would be more money for NHS and after Brexit, when there wasn't more funds available he denied that was a part of his campaign. He is no better then the rest of them the only difference is that nothing that was good for him or his party was good for anyone else.
@SneedSeeding
@SneedSeeding 2 ай бұрын
I could use a lair, rewarding me one sounds amazing and cozy. Guess I'm voting Reform.
@filmsofgilbert
@filmsofgilbert 2 ай бұрын
Good video, does what it says on the tin and no bias. Thank you.
@dukerrr
@dukerrr 2 ай бұрын
You can't walk outside and smoke a cigarette? I'm sorry but ya'll in the UK are lost
@HopeGreen-m7i
@HopeGreen-m7i 2 ай бұрын
don,t fret we in uk fought for our rights decades ago, free nhs ect that most in europe abused ect ect, however as starmer is funded by tobacco companies lets wait and see
@Adam-wg2rf
@Adam-wg2rf 2 ай бұрын
​@@Cader-ce6bvagree it's or no one will do a thing about it and it will only hurt the gdp even more now, or they will use the cops and the uk would get a new black market.
@chickenkyiv4999
@chickenkyiv4999 2 ай бұрын
You can, the bill would ban smoking in outdoor areas of pubs and restaurants
@reasonablespeculation3893
@reasonablespeculation3893 2 ай бұрын
So easy to control the behavior, up to and including speech and thought, of law abiding citizens. No risk involved. When it comes to real threats, denial, denial, denial, is the easiest path.
@catsandcrafts171
@catsandcrafts171 2 ай бұрын
Yep, I prefer free top quality healthcare and a solid social system. The tories tried to take that away for 16 years, now it will get supported again. Outdoor smoking? I suggest perhaps we just say that smokers don't get the free healthcare instead? Gratuitous self harm seems like something that shouldn't be paid for by the rest of us. When smokers pay for their own problems, then they can smoke where they like, to be honest.
@lemonynora
@lemonynora 2 ай бұрын
I genuinely don’t understand why starmer is continuing that awful tory policy
@MRSYSTEM96
@MRSYSTEM96 2 ай бұрын
Reform aren't the answer to any problems but neither are Labour. Neither are getting my vote ever
@mattevans4377
@mattevans4377 2 ай бұрын
So who are you voting for, or are you not voting at all anymore?
@etrur2595
@etrur2595 2 ай бұрын
@@mattevans4377it’s the issue a lot of ppl including me have, I can’t put my trust in Farage enough to let him be PM but equally Labour have become too centrist to the point it’s hard to distinguish them from the tories. Lib Dems will need a crazy campaign to help them gain enough votes to get into parliament and realistically I think a government with Labour and Cons out of the majority would truly prove that they’re not the answer to what ppl want right now
@MRSYSTEM96
@MRSYSTEM96 2 ай бұрын
@@mattevans4377 any party thats not those two...or Tories either
@mattevans4377
@mattevans4377 2 ай бұрын
@@MRSYSTEM96 That's what I wanted confirming tbh. Lot of shy Tory voters who don't admit it but have ways of never bringing them up when needed. Nice to see you aren't one of them
@Idorapontheweekends
@Idorapontheweekends 2 ай бұрын
@@mattevans4377reforms idea is bigger than the man. The bill of rights and protection of the culture is paramount.
@apg381
@apg381 2 ай бұрын
Reforrm UK have 5 seats the Tories have 121, opinion polls, vote share, etc are totally irrelevant. Like it or not, the Tories are still the main opposition and will be until there is another election -which won't be for at least 4 years. I suspect at the next election with 4-5 years of labour who will almost certainly increase taxes, many people who switched to Reform will go back to the Tories, because who remembers 5 years ago - Reform will go down to probably 1 or 2 seats. Farage will be 70 and will step down as leader and Reform will collapse. Obviously this guy loves Reform, but is election is likely to be their high point.
@MariaHansome
@MariaHansome 2 ай бұрын
Your channel is a real oasis in the world of KZbin. Keep on making us happy with your work!🐕🌮🥰
@slendii366
@slendii366 Ай бұрын
Politics is getting so polarizing, and the gap between the left and right is widening. This is truly saddening.
@michaeltnk1135
@michaeltnk1135 2 ай бұрын
As an American, Nigel Firage comes off as the most stereotypical posh British guy lmao
@spageen
@spageen 2 ай бұрын
That award goes to Jacob Rees-Mogg
@ukwatotskuhide270
@ukwatotskuhide270 2 ай бұрын
🤣Have you seen Starmer and Sunak mate?
@FRIDGEYTHEGOAT
@FRIDGEYTHEGOAT 2 ай бұрын
hes not posh he's just a twat
@Bushflare
@Bushflare 2 ай бұрын
That’s part of why people gravitate towards him. He might not be a favourable British archetype but he is at least a clearly British one at a time when politicians are skewing more internationalist and cosmopolitan.
@jaychung1380
@jaychung1380 2 ай бұрын
Rather than first impressions, you should actually take the time to learn about the person. But that might be too hard for an American...
@blazzz13
@blazzz13 2 ай бұрын
If DEFORM retain their 5 seats, I'll be shocked next election.
@gloin10
@gloin10 2 ай бұрын
Reform has FIVE MPs. So NO, the Reform company owned by Nigel Farage is NOT “…becoming the opposition” in the UK’s parliament. It’s not within an ass’s roar of doing so.
@full__tilt
@full__tilt 2 ай бұрын
😅💯
@werdsmyth
@werdsmyth 2 ай бұрын
I know this is a serious debate. And it's an important topic to raise. But why is there a man with a speaker on his head at 0:24?
@opex5004
@opex5004 2 ай бұрын
Reform is the only respectable party
@localreviewking134
@localreviewking134 2 ай бұрын
BOT SPEAKS
@please-wake-up-now
@please-wake-up-now 2 ай бұрын
This is such an interesting convo! 🧐 Reform UK's rise could shake things up big time, especially if they're seen as the new main opposition. I wonder if they'll actually change how politics in the UK works or just be more of the same. 🤔🗳️
@ChrisInTheNorth
@ChrisInTheNorth 2 ай бұрын
The Reform party didn't rise from nowhere. its a rebranding of the Brexit party, which in turn was a rebranding of UKIP (though some stayed behind under the UKIP banner). Should 14% have got them more seats in parliament? Yes, But I didn't hear Lee Anderson support Electoral Reform when he was a Conservative. I accept Farage has done, for a while. Its true Reform has more influence than 5 MPs but that's partly because so much of the media sings their tune. They basically have their own TV Channel in GB news. now it seems TLDR is prepared to post a video saying they are the real opposition, despite a graphic showing the Lib Dem have a stronger claim
@daniel117100
@daniel117100 2 ай бұрын
lib dem is the party of southern villages and virtue signalling lefties who have too much money to vote labour, while reform are the only party supporting a policy which is probably the number 1 to half of brits
@outtheredude
@outtheredude 2 ай бұрын
So, why aren't the Lib Dems flexing their 12% opposition muscles based on their much stronger seat numbers than 14% Reform UK, while the larger Conservative opposition are fully preoccupied with getting their stuff together?
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