Are sardine fasts DISORDERED eating? with Serena Musick

[@CourtneyLuna]

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[@charlie-the-carni]

On average how many cans did you eat a day during your 7 day stretch?

[@carnivorerevolution]

I only ate 3, usually, probably not enough.

[@arlinevitale3348]

Love this conversation. I completed sardine fasts with Dr. Boz and Dr. Lisa, which impacted my blood sugar and ketones in a positive direction! I'm a 79 y/o carnivore who has stalled in the weight loss department for many months. I just ordered some sardines on Amazon (I like warming them in brown butter) after watching Courtney's recent experience. Thanks for motivating me today‼

[@ashleyhudson842]

On day 2 of my first sardine fast, going good so far. Really grateful for these informative videos during the process!

[@CourtneyLuna]

Awesome!

[@carnivorerevolution]

So great!

[@kjolie12345]

Unfortunately the 80's & 90's low fat high carb mentality created this idea of disordered eating. When you feed the body protein & animal fats it is actually nourishing the body so you can trust your body. Tracking can be really helpful for beginners or individuals who have hit a plateau. Yes, information is power. Carnivore has helped me feed my body and start water fasting which has been transformational. Thank you both for your courage & taking the time to share your knowledge & experiences. It helps more people than you realise. Thank you 🙏🫶

[@CourtneyLuna]

Thank you for this!!

[@laura.lovinlife]

Serena, Courtney great discussion! I also joined in with y’all for 8 days of sardines prior to Hack Your Health! I had good results, without hunger or feeling deprived. I also don’t understand why so many are naysaying this…I think of it as a reset. It’s interesting, the point you make about calories/macros, because I definitely leveled out in my glucose and ketone readings by day five. Thinking about it now I was only eating two cans most days, with some added fat, because I simply wasn’t hungry for more. Highly likely I just wasn’t getting enough calories/fat and that would count for the slowdown… I will definitely pay more attention to the macros with my next sardine reset and let you know how it goes! You brought such a bittersweet smile to my face, my dog always loved playing hide and seek too! Fond memories!

[@CourtneyLuna]

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[@angiej8462]

This is a great discussion. I have eaten high fat (mostly) for my entire 18+ years. It's a very healing ratio with fatty fish. They're very easily assimilated by the body and converted to ketones easily. Mackerel in Olive oil is very similar in action

[@carnivorerevolution]

Yes!

[@sherirottweilersforever7772]

I’m not even sure why I feel so good when I only eat sardines! I dislike eating them but the energy and satiated feeling work for me.

[@CourtneyLuna]

Right?! It’s wild. They’re magical

[@1976mcfarlane]

Same for me. Energy and pain relief

[@avocadomegs4189]

I bought a case of sardines but have been too chicken to try them haha😅 I think I’ll crack a can open tomorrow and see how it goes

[@1976mcfarlane]

@@avocadomegs4189 just jump in. I did the same thing. Use lemon, mustard, sardine sauce, hot sauce or mayo if you need to ( I had too at first). I really like the sardine that Anita from ketogenic women mentioned in her sardine fast video

[@michaelamaestas4950]

Eating fish is NOT a disorder.

[@carnivorerevolution]

Right?!

[@michaelamaestas4950]

@@carnivorerevolution , I am Baltic, My people have been eating fish for many 1,000s of years

[@ElizabethEllisCoach]

Dr. Boz recommends draining and adding 2 tablespoons of good olive oil for each can.

[@ElizabethEllisCoach]

Or add Primal Kitchen (or make your own carnivore mayo) mayo, or add butter, or fry in animal fat if you like. Adding fat is good if you are not having all the oil they are packed in. That’s not for calories, but fat to help balance your blood glucose and have ketones. Sardines are not “disordered”, people may be disordered and have struggles with anything. It’s extremely individual.

[@Christinesobsevations]

No it’s not disordered . I am currently reading wheat belly it’s such an eye opener. I now know it wasn’t me it’s the chemicals they use to make these grains that are highly addictive.

[@yvonne11972]

I just did 72 hours of omega 3 challenge (allowing salmon, oysters and mackerels in addition to sardines) I have a hard time finding macros that work for me but in the 72 hours I lost 5 lbs, that's the first 5 lbs down in over a year of stall and re-gaining due to over-eating on keto/carnivore - snacking is my downfall but hard to quit :(

[@CourtneyLuna]

Amazing!

[@lynnwilliams5432]

Shrimp 🦐?

[@lynnwilliams5432]

I blame dairy! I never cheat fractured my femursl stem told to eat high protein and dairy. Well besides the 5 lb titanium insert. I gained 15lbs.

[@auroraketovore90]

You all are so awesome! ❤ I grew up on sardines so there was no stigma in that way but the restriction of just that single taste profile was what tripped me. I’ve done a few 3 day sardine challenges in the last year but always with the cream still in my coffee and little crutches like that. After binge watching your videos with Lisa, Adrien and RV guy I decided to go all in and it has been amazing. I have done 3-4 days every week for the past 6 weeks. I wear continuous glucose + ketones monitors and my numbers have never been so good. I am down 10 scale pounds but the tape measurements are much more profound. I am now introducing sauna and jump rope sprints to the mix. I am going thru menopause so that seems to be fighting me but….what a ride! 😊Thank you so much for helping inspire me!

[@terririco3998]

I get frustrated when i do sardine fast. I lose 3-4lbs in 3 days. When I go back to eating regular carnivore then I gain it back.

[@CourtneyLuna]

Maybe need to ease back into it? Incorporate a regular meal while still having sardines? I’m not sure, just thinking out loud

[@lyndagregoryfriesen9917]

I love this discussion! And I love being a carnivore, but intuitive carnivore eating has not gotten me to goal and it's been years now. In response to people criticizing the sardines, it seems like in general the carnivore community is snobby about beef being the only road to good health and success. I don't love the sardines, but they are packed with incredible nutrition and are definitely carnivore. It's a healthy hack that is done for a short term to help us reach our goals. I personally am having great success with it. Thanks Dr Boz!

[@melissaandrews1603]

I’d rather have some sardines whenever I want for three days vs nothing to eat for three days.

[@8888riqui]

i eat sardines when i eat omad I have gone from 471 to 240. I wasnt easy but the sardines are full in omega 3 and satiate me. So i eat them regurlay. Love your channel and thanks for sharing!

[@CourtneyLuna]

Great job!

[@carolinemarie44]

The last time I was going to do a sardine fast, I put the cans on the counter. Then I couldnt eat them, all of a sudden they grossed me out. I water fasted thinking if I ate, I had to eat sardines!

[@1976mcfarlane]

That works! Good plan

[@noodlehead2529]

Just started my first day of a 3 day sardine challenge. Can # one was Season brand in unsalted water. I added two tablespoons of melted Kerry Gold butter and some Frank hot sauce. It was delicious! My second can was Season brand in Olive oil… it’s givi me horrible heart burn . 😞 It makes me think it’s not real Olive oil. I’ll purchase more of the water only. I’m hoping to lose 40 pounds. Full carnivore makes me eat too much and gaining weight.

[@reececup84]

Rebekah Heishman says to incorporate 1-2 days a week of PSMF week if you're fat adapted to keep your body in that fat burning weight loss mode. I've been doing a 3 day sardine fast every week. I lose several pounds but gain most of it back every time. I can feel the nutrients of the sardines helping my body. I've added strength training 3 days a week and changed from intermittent fasting to OMAD. Even if I'm not losing much my body is changing. I'm not hungry. The sardine fast does seem to reset my glucose levels every week and it feels good. I usually only have 3 cans a day but I love adding beef fat to my meal and a couple times a day. It keeps me well in ketosis and keeps me from being hungry throughout the fast.

[@ninelkhait9110]

Thank you,ladies, for an amazing conversation ❤

[@cynthiavonk]

Such a great video. Loved listening to it while I was walking. I met Courtney in Texas. Lots of great information thank you so much ladies.

[@CourtneyLuna]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@tinacox9526]

On day two on sardines and a nice video thanks for sharing

[@CourtneyLuna]

Thanks for watching!

[@karenreaves3650]

My stomach still says no to sardines, thank you for going over the details. I don’t need to lose weight I still need to lose brain fog from Oxalate Poisoning, do you think the omega 3’s would help?

[@annemariefisher1559]

Same here

[@cmac6992]

Have small amounts such asa cup of green tea or a square of dark chocolate.

[@CourtneyLuna]

Couldn’t hurt! Do you still incorporate some oxalates to help that? I believe Norton says to have some tea

[@karenreaves3650]

@@cmac6992 I find I really don’t need to, I cannot use spices without being in pain and feeling sick, I can use extracts which I am trying now, Sally K Norton recommends. I am doing great on carnivore but my energy level and the brain fog has not improved enough yet.

[@ashw_716]

I just finished a 3 day sardine fast yesterday & I felt amazing, especially outside in the sunshine walking! But by the end of the day yesterday I could not even think of sardines without gagging 😅I was ready for a big juicy steak this morning ❤

[@JamieE76]

I always eat the sardines with skin and bones. I dump the water or oil in the can but replace with butter or clean mayonnaise.

[@CourtneyLuna]

Perfect!

[@csmo2896]

This was great as usual! ❤

[@CourtneyLuna]

Thank you!! 😊

[@user-ik4jj5js7g]

This is coming from a kind heart and hopefully comes across that way in context…. Undereating is not Why people are not losing weight in my humble experience…coming from a background of binge/restrict eating… all of the movement running.. walking 25k steps daily … The fasting including sardine or Water makes you “think you’re satisfied “ on 3 cans of food but you’re mentally hungry as almost everyone with an ed background rebounds with extra appetite as soon as the fast is over … same thing for some on the lion diet… some of these keto/carnivore influences are exercising over 3-4 hours. A day… just my own experience that this is so mental hunger that causes major stress. Love you both however if you watch some videos on Ed recovery especially the famine study it explains it more. Lion diet creates issues too… I do eat carnivore as I feel it helps with me tal hunger which I’m still battling everyday. Maybe we are supposed to be in a body that’s a bit bigger than we think?

[@user-ik4jj5js7g]

P.s. Love all the Bravo shows & also TLC 90 day fiancé and let’s always route on Naked and Afaid 😂

[@Pilarfitvegas]

You can’t be in a continuous deficit and gain After you end a cut, your reverse should be as long as your cut was or longer to repair metabolism. If you jump into a weight loss again, you’ll jack up your metabolism Kelly Hogan is where she’s at because of years of fixing her metabolism and she gets 20,000 plus steps a day ❤

[@TwinFlameDivineLovePath]

English pleez! 😂

[@jessicac6787]

I enjoy weight training and walking 8000 to 10000 steps a day.That's enough for me!

[@alicerivas6727]

I’m going to start this today. Do I need to stop drinking coffee first thing or can I still have my coffee?

[@annavelasquez4147]

Serena is a doll.

[@booksandbreggs]

YES! Thank you for sharing!

[@dawnlarge8937]

I wish I could do it. I just can’t stand the smell and taste.

[@micaKTM1290]

You should absolutely continue using a walk-run strategy. It will reduce risk of injury and unbelievably, you will go faster too. Work up to 5min run, 1min walk or something similar.

[@proudtobeweird]

I wouldn’t be able to do a sardine fast, cause I eat 2 cans of sardines as my dessert after 2 pounds of meat 😄. Granted, I don’t have to lose weight 😊

[@kjolie12345]

Why sardines maybe better for some & to put you into ketosis & lower glucose? Maybe omega 3 & more vitamin D/ calcium with bones? Just a thought 🤔

[@Christinesobsevations]

Love you two ❤❤

[@Christinesobsevations]

Ex runner here ... Training is crucial. I found that i hate running so i stopped.

[@warringwomenofzion3427]

I also put on some weight after a year and a half of being on carnivore. I'm still not sure why. Except for I did start to have a serious increase in appetite when I increased my workouts. Why do you think you gained 17 lb just eating car nivore? This is baffled me.

[@terririco3998]

How to you figure out how many calories u need?

[@CourtneyLuna]

TDEE website works great!

[@terririco3998]

@CourtneyLuna do I go thru the Play Store for that TDEE, or is it online?

[@nataliajimenez1870]

Nick Norwitz has mentioned that polyunsaturated fats are really good to create ketones (he was talking about strategies to be in ketosis while still eating some carbs for the lean mass hyperresponders). Fish oils are polyunsaturated fats, so I think that's the reason that sardine fasts are so helpful to enter deep states of ketosis. The problem with the polyunsaturated fats that most people eat is that they are the highly inflammatory chemically refined seed oils and not the natural oils of fish. It has been proven that fish oil in capsules does not have the health benefits of fish oil eaten while eating the whole fish probably because it's easy for it to become rancid when it's extracted. Dr Paul Mason has talked about fish capsules being rancid. I no longer have the need to lose weight, but I keep fish in my diet for qllowing me to keep lower glucose levels and higher ketone levels

[@1976mcfarlane]

When I got off of my sardine fast I did not gain the weight back. I got lots of pain relief and energy from these sardine fasts.

[@lisalyons5381]

I love Southern Comfort on Bravo !

[@RV-there-Yet]

People are nuts, I swear~ just want to gripe about something, find a label to slap on it, or degrade others in general. Pathetic is what that is, seriously. Would anything be said about my kid who loved canned tuna so much that's all he wanted to eat for a month? And yes, I do know it's high in mercury (not sardines!), but prior to that all he'd eat was mac & cheese~ of course I let him have tuna. What about those who eat salmon, scallops, crab & shrimp? No~ of course not, because it's fish!! Since when is eating fish disordered eating?? Shut thy trap ignorant trolls, errggghh. Good conversation ladies, appreciate your thoughts on these topics. Also look forward to hearing more about how your current approach is going, leaning out I mean. I gained back 5 lbs about 6 mo's after finally dropping 30~ which took 2 yrs btw,as I lost nothing the first 18 mo's. I'm still about 20lbs away from where I'd like to be. It's been super slow for me, but there's no turning back after feeling this good for this long~ no way. Our bodies are simple, yet weight loss can be more complex, & it's not always so cut & dried for many of us. That's okay, because we continue on in finding what works. What may need switched up, added to, etc. Pretty sure I slipped back into undereating again, so I'll be tracking for a bit, just so I can see any patterns or obvious blips. Have a great week everyone, & remember; "Kindness Can Change The World"🌎

[@cheyrider2Chey]

How do I find my weight loss calories?

[@booksandbreggs]

I'm on day 2. I'm going to see how far into 30 days I can get. I was motivated by Dr. Boz in Kelly Hogan's interview. I enjoy draining the oil because it's ewwwy, and adding whipped butter. I'm not a huge fan, but trying to break some stalls and jump-start my metabolism.

[@CourtneyLuna]

Sounds great!

[@Psmfmyway]

I don’t think any one strategy can be considered disordered eating. If a sardine fast furthers your goals then great. But if any form of fasting is part of a binge/purge cycle then it is problematic. What is the point of your sardine fast? Was it to increase your Omega 3 profile? If so, isn’t including high Omega 3 foods on a regular and consistent basis better? If it is to lose weight then what was the result? Did you lose weight and keep at least some of it off or did you regain or regain plus more? If so then maybe you aren’t ready for fasting. Maybe your body wishes you would stop stressing about losing weight and nourish yourself until your body loses the weight effortlessly as a result of proper sleep, less stress, a good exercise regimen and a well-balanced carnivore diet? I have lost 130 pounds and have had stalls but trusted carnivore to get me where I should be. I eat high Omega 3 foods, eggs and all the wonderfully nutritious carnivore foods without fasting. I was patient and focused on building muscle and better blood tests. I don’t try to mess with the beauty of carnivore. I take great comfort in watching all these amazing folks like Dr Chaffee who just live simply the carnivore way.

[@karenharrington3571]

I would like to try sardines, but haven't been brave enough to even try one can, let alone three days worth.

[@artsies7160]

Sorry, I am late to the show! I have started the sardine challenge today and my burning question is, can ladies do the sardine diet at any stage of their cycle, for example, in their luteal phase? I follow Dr. Mindy's fasting like a girl method. I am also at perimenopause stage and my fat isn't going anywhere! Today would make it a year since I have following the carnivore diet.

[@chrissyforanimals]

My only question or criticism is why call it a fast when it’s obviously not a true fast, especially if one is eating mayo or other fat like olive oil with it. One is not fasting, they are just eating a bunch of sardines.

[@CourtneyLuna]

Water fast, juice fast, dry fast. It implies what you’re consuming :)

[@ERICA850]

My 3 year old asked for fishies in a can last night.. she was hungry. She picked them up one by one and ate them without any hesitation. I'm trying to be more like her lol

[@CourtneyLuna]

Haha awesome! My 6 year old loves them! He’ll even pull the spine out and eat it by itself just to freak me out 🤢

[@stephwessel7346]

@@CourtneyLuna😅😂

[@Pilarfitvegas]

Do the 1/2 marathon yay Yes I did mine in 2 hours and 16 or 17 minutes I think I would have gone faster if it wasn’t uphill and crazy windy 😅

[@CourtneyLuna]

Not excited to run for hours lol

[@mariak9871]

I just ate my first can king Oscar brand. 7/2/24 at 19:00 first day I will see where it ends, after 4th July I will continue. Do you think this is good week before periods? Thank you

[@ZeroCarbHolly]

So funny! Vanderpump Rules is the only reality show I watch. What a mess 😂

[@CourtneyLuna]

I’m obsessed 😂

[@Zumbamom]

Many of my friends despise sardines- BUT, they have never tried them 😮

[@MadinaVadache]

They don’t despise wine ? It’s poison

[@blackrabbitbiz]

Jesus ate fish and was a fisher of men. Maybe sardines work because it's a God thing! LOL... has anyone tried a fish only challenge? Wonder if we'd become better people...LOL again

[@cmac6992]

Is it necessary for me to check glucose doing this? I don't have one of those.

[@CourtneyLuna]

Not necessary, just fun to see the data and the changes that happen

[@lululove6175]

I open a tin of sardines and it smells just like my cat’s food. 🤮

[@charleendavis8171]

Fish may be good for you, if it doesn't have too much mercury in it but to me eating nothing but sardines for a week is no different than the fringe diets my grandma and her friends did in the 70s. For one week...nothing but bananas and milk. Week two....nothing but boiled eggs and tomatoes. Any way of eating can become disordered eating if people go overboard.

[@emh8861]

My blood sugar is better on fish than meat.

[@annettelockhart2949]

Totally agreed people are freaks about fish. I am on day 1 of 4 so go fishing!!

[@alicerivas6727]

Anita says the Omega 3’s are so great.

[@haraldherzog7373]

I like calling it the Omega3 fast as the Ketogenic woman calls it.

[@genessis43]

Unsubscribed. Y’all are fuckin crazy

[@tracyrobillard7431]

😂😂😂

[@Lala.903]

👋🏻 👋🏻

[@CourtneyLuna]

Imagined being that triggered while also needing to announce their departure to the class 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@CourtneyLuna]

We’ll miss you 😘

[@MadinaVadache]

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