Are schools making history lessons woke?

[@totalprocall6894]

Parents need to do something to stop this. Everyone is so scared to even broach the issue when everyone is thinking the same thing.

[@karmansmith8800]

@Dea Harri done exactly that! She didn't have a decent answer to anything!? Headteacher too,,disgusting

[@paulfenton7776]

Sorry but what exactly are you talking about?

[@1watsonwatson]

You must not question anything, ever again! Just obey & suck it up whatever nonsense is thrown at you. Blame the schools says this ex teacher youtube.com/watch?v=1N86G0

[@Pange3]

The truth of history is the truth. You can’t change it good or bad. It is history. These people that want to erase it or change it should be denied. History is history and we all know it is good and not so good and that’s why we have progressed!

[@paulfenton7776]

Don't you think interpretation of historical facts is subjective?

[@jismo7]

@@paulfenton7776 give it a rest. You're obviously one of the woke brigade who refuses to accept history

[@KopperNeoman]

@Paul Fenton No. History is objective. "Reinterpretations" are lies meant to demoralise those who know history.

[@paulfenton7776]

@@KopperNeoman how do you know the first interpretation was correct?

[@paulfenton7776]

@@jismo7 "accept history" ? Your version of it? Does it make you feel insecure to look at events from a different perspective.

[@craighart9278]

Why are we allowing a minority to dictate to the majority?

[@stevenpaddybwoy]

We’ve got a anti semite over here!

[@craighart9278]

@@stevenpaddybwoy ☝️We have a person that is incapable of having a sensible discussion and resorts to childish name calling and labeling of people here!

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Our institutions got captured in the 60s.

[@andrewoliver8930]

Royalty benefits from that very system. Their history is polished until the bad parts are eroded.

[@fogellmclovin6278]

@@craighart9278 what sensible discussion can possibly be and under a video calling out "wokeness"? Surely the entire premise of this video and I guess this "news channel" is name calling?

[@Bergstromoliver]

Woke OUT.

[@hariseldon3786]

Every time you introduce ideology into the classroom you take time away from teaching maths, grammar and other topics. The Primary purpose of school is to Educate NOT to Indoctrinate - no wonder education standards are dropping.

[@1watsonwatson]

You must not question anything, ever again! Just obey & suck it up whatever nonsense is thrown at you. Blame the schools says this ex teacher youtube.com/watch?v=1N86G0

[@andylucas5818]

I find myself having to question my son, after his history lessons at school. Often i have to put him straight on things that i really shouldn't have to. The BBC history department is just as bad for telling non truths, just to tick diversity boxes!

[@fogellmclovin6278]

So what have you put him straight on?

[@stephan5673]

Same here

[@thechunkster7905]

Teachers should be made accountable. They are brainwashing our poor children at an alarming rate.

[@1watsonwatson]

You must not question anything, ever again! Just obey & suck it up whatever nonsense is thrown at you. Blame the schools says this ex teacher youtube.com/watch?v=1N86G0

[@fogellmclovin6278]

Brainwashing them with what ?

[@joseph1964]

History repeats. As is happening right now. Decimation of human population.

[@jameshodgkins559]

Also history is written by the winners of wars . The first casualty of war is the truth quote from Ancient Greek Aeschylus . The Great War aka WW1 was always over who run the Mesopotamia & Persian oil fields. When I was at school in the 70s that was never mentioned. It’s clear as daylight for everyone today. Is this woke ? Or is this the truth !!! Sykes / Picot Agreement drawn up in 1916 , was the spoils of war to the victors. That cat was only let out the bag by the Russians who after there revolution told the rest of the world . That Russia pre revolution Great Britain & France had a bigger plan all along . When the cenotaphs first went up in villages , towns & city’s up & down the country no one ever mentioned that Britain last so many of its best fit young men all over oil . I think woke gets mocked by people who don’t like the truth at times . The word truth has in certain areas been rebranded woke. We need to stop the B S that divides us. Who benefits from the BS the newspapers & TV spew out 🤔

[@FredSpade]

I now have to tell my English learners to beware a Western 'education'. It saddens me 'cos this was their dream.

[@veryhappychappy12]

Balanced interviewees and interviewing... More please and thank you.👍

[@ohsweetmystery]

Probably well-intentioned? No, it is not.This is the mistake that enables these people to continually further their agenda.

[@craighart9278]

I agree, I believe much of it is ideologically driven but I'm sure that some think they are doing the right thing. I think that's Andrew Doyle's stance and I would not knock him for at least wanting to reach out and have the discussion. In short - I dont think Andrew is the problem here.

[@1watsonwatson]

You must not question anything, ever again! Just obey & suck it up whatever nonsense is thrown at you. Blame the schools says this ex teacher youtube.com/watch?v=1N86G0

[@Pange3]

History is expanding as we change. You can’t change the past but for futures history it starts after it is the future history. The past history cannot be changed.

[@andrewoliver8930]

The past history has been taught as the people in power would like you to view it. They don't make their heroes look bad.

[@hariseldon3786]

"Tolerance" is specifically contrary to Post-Modernist philosophies...

[@yeright5785]

no jab no job...how about tell the the truth or no job

[@kellyrobinson6663]

If you dont learn the facts of history then your doomed to repeat the same mistakes, rather then learn and grow.

[@sandybottom6623]

Very important to preserve the books of old.

[@wetincornwall6882]

Yes, my daughter got taught a very screwed version of slavery and Britain. She had no idea we abolished it. So I sat her down and got her to watch Sargons vid.

[@AtifAli-dc6cr]

The British Empire played a very big role is slavery, transported millions of slaves with about a million dying before reaching their destination. But yes some Brits eventually found this abhorrent and campaigned against it and got it abolished in parts of the Empire. I'm sure Sargon has a balanced view of this.

[@1watsonwatson]

You must not question anything, ever again! Just obey & suck it up whatever nonsense is thrown at you. Blame the schools says this ex teacher youtube.com/watch?v=1N86G0

[@andrewoliver8930]

Some people abolished it. Slave owners got rich with the compensation paid for by taxpayers.

[@boofuu3145]

@@andrewoliver8930 slave owners were overwhelmingly african or middle eastern , they were the dealers

[@veryhappychappy12]

@@boofuu3145 Don't tell them the truth chum.... They don't like it.

[@PadreAlan67]

If you rely on the government to monitor and control what is taught, what do you do when the government you approve of is not there and some woke Green or New New Labour gets in and has their hands on the control levers?

[@paulfenton7776]

Breathe a sigh of relief?....

[@dansexton676]

Keep your politics at the school gates or you should be sacked

[@stephenirons1892]

Agreed 👍

[@karmansmith8800]

Yes 💯it is changing!Far too much too soon! I have 4 children 3grown 1 still young, and im honestly dumbfounded by the difference!?💔its SO important to know historIcal FACTS! Throwing all this doubt and judgement down younger minds is just cruel! I myself am feeling totally disconnected from history,my pasion,right now,everything ive ever believed I now dont know what the hell to believe?!where I was balanced and totally into our heritage!i m lost for truth! Alot feel the same way too!im not against anyone I had a balanced view,,bit now??? Not so sure...!:(

[@1watsonwatson]

You must not question anything, ever again! Just obey & suck it up whatever nonsense is thrown at you. Blame the schools says this ex teacher youtube.com/watch?v=1N86G0

[@Niko5black]

Get David Starky on it

[@wakeupuk3860]

I can promise you as an ex teacher from industry who tried to fight political correctness in the 180/90s that spawned Woke, failed, became ill and left due to bullying by senior teachers and LEA advisor - NOT ONE SINGLE teacher will be reprimanded, NOT ONE SINGLE sentence of Woke based teaching resources will be changed and NOT ONE SINGLE government produced guidance pamphlet will be read especially by Headteachers. When will people get into their heads our education system might as well be a totally and distinct country that is run by its self, for its self and for us to pay for it. Only a total reset with removals at very high levels, prosecutions, non-graduate teachers from industry as I was and effectively a cleansing and removal of all political bias materials (now pretty much of it), will 'begin' to change things.

[@knowbs2122]

Bang up liars

[@juanfepenarivera2013]

believing in Jesuchrist we have salvation and eternal life believe in the place where you are with all your heart and mind read in the holy Bible in .. Jhon 3 : 16 , Romans 10 : 9 to 13 , Acts 4 : 12 , John 11 : 25 , John 1 : 12 , John 14 : 6

[@andrewoliver8930]

All sides of politics prefers their version of history. Read lots of books and seek the truth.

[@ginvr]

Without doubt

[@aalexazander]

History is a funny lesson, it allows me to make more detailed jokes

[@wytrose4602]

Why do you have to keep banding to every single tiny thing that is put forward it should be the COUNTRIES hystorical facts not over load them with the entire world . You will loose your own COUNTRIES identity.

[@AtifAli-dc6cr]

A very different Palestinian Israeli conflict is being taught now than what was taught 10 years ago.

[@awalk5177]

History is political. We are taught a political history even about Europe and WWII . Yet if you study events in Europe from 1930 onwards you can clearly see that what is taught is a political view of those actual events, mainly be omission of things that don't fit the required narrative and image of some countries that is wished to be projected. The same applies to current events and those since 1970's. History is becoming more propaganda than it is historical fact.

[@djbogz1921]

Anyone else seen the bbcs list of best books for 2022? It's a massive woke fest of nonsense

[@fogellmclovin6278]

What does woke mean?

[@giddyupgazboy1]

Women, non whites, gay people are oppressed by white males. Everything must be viewed through this lens and corrected.

[@fogellmclovin6278]

@@giddyupgazboy1 that's just not true though is it?

[@patriciasanderson2171]

@@giddyupgazboy1 tell that to my rich gay black friend who grew up in the UK. Stop being a victim and stop telling people they are victims.

[@robzombie5928]

Theres plenty of fake history on tv and films that claim to be accurate. A lot of people dont know how to tell a good source from a bad one and propagte incorrect statments as facts. They also dont like to argue points for and against as a valid way to hash out the best move forward.

[@DavidKelly-km9mu]

COMMENT: The issues presented are reflective the the social demographics of an engineered society provisioned through academic means, in reconstructing realities through market forces, principally as a function of the generational changes taking place in work, as stresses thereof, as a change from command and control authoritarianism post war, to a pseudo flipflopping business environment between the politics of extreme markets to socialisms, manifest; and such informatics changes amplified through developments in technologies, as drivers for change, in provisioning such understanding at scale and pace......go figure.

[@garypowell1540]

If they are, IMO they started doing this as early as the early 1970s, and likely earlier than that. History has long since been a passion of mine, but I never took it past O'level. Even then what I was being taught was highly selective and concentrated far too much on what I saw as socialist propaganda. All kinds of assertions and assumptions were being rammed down my neck, which did not run true to my understanding of human nature, just how or why things actually happen in this world. I strongly suspected then that very little comes from the bottom-up, and that virtually everything comes from the top-down. We get what our owners wish or permit us to have, for whatever reason they wish to do so. If they wish to ignore us they will, if not, they won't. What we may think is a grassroots movement is rarely anything of the kind. What we may think is an act of God, or some kind of accident is rarely anything of the kind. Things such as World Wars don't just happen because some Austrian feather hat wearer got shot somewhere in the Baltics. Actually, I believe it was in the stomach area. That is a joke BTW. Yes, indeed the Bastards have been covering their tracks for much longer than many are conditioned to believe. History is written by the winners, which should provide an enormous clue as to where many of these Bastards reside or run their operations from.

[@DancesWithSpiders]

I don't think history "ought to be a celebration of who we are" or anything else other than looking into what happened, when, where and how. British schools shouldn't focus exclusively on British history but rather on interesting case studies from around the world. When and where did the notion of monarchy arise? How and why and with what has it been replaced in various parts of the world? What factors influenced the emergence, consolidation and eventual weakening of the sovereign nation state? How were major empires able to form, consolidate their power and finally be eclipsed by others? What do we mean by "democracy"? Where are its roots to be found? Where was it first implemented (not in Britain)? What has been the route towards universal suffrage and what factors have accelerated or prevented its introduction around the world? All of these issues and many more can be studied and taught with reference to both genders and various social divisions, castes and classes and with strict reference to primary and secondary sources. Ideology - whether geared towards a celebration of Britishness or the furthering of the so-called woke agenda - has absolutely no place in the study and teaching of history or any other discipline.

[@DancesWithSpiders]

Here are a few interesting case studies by way of example: The German Hanse (corporate power v state power; transnationalism; innovations in transport and logistics) The Commonwealth of Poland-Lithuania (elected presidential-style monarchy and rise and fall of a super power) Burgundy (sovereign state or political pawn?) The Church (the hijacking of a set of superstitious beliefs in the service of raw power politics) Slavery (previously almost universal; European slaves in North Africa; differences to serfdom, indentured and forced labour) The nation state (British monarchs and the Angevin Empire; the string of states that were established after WWI; forced migrations and language policy) Exploration and conquest (Africa, the Americas, Asia; differences between say Roman colonialism and modern colonialism) The Suffragettes (women's suffrage and rights more generally; a model for other rights movements?) Today (history is being made as we speak; who is shaping the narrative and why? Fact checking - how can we discern the truth from within our own social context - think data overload, language limitations, unconscious cultural biases) Etc. It's interesting stuff

[@kon1402]

In a grammar school in Birmingham, teachers told white students to dress as slaves and told black students to dress as slave owners in order to re-enact a slave auction.

[@golfbulldog]

For the entire "white experience" I Hope they also made the BAME pupils re-enact the work of the west African squadron in policing the end of slave trade... And perhaps a whole term of the white pupils capturing each other and selling themselves as slaves to each other for centuries before the BAME pupils came along... suspect they won't go that far though....

[@AtifAli-dc6cr]

@@golfbulldog I wonder why the African squadron were selling slaves to Europeans who were against slavery.

[@golfbulldog]

@@AtifAli-dc6cr Sorry, Atif. I don't understand your comment. I think you are referring to what happened to the slaves and ships that were captured by the West African squadron when they were being shipped? Please tell us more. I see that you don't deny that africans were enslaving africans for centuries before any white man arrived....and Africans, often Muslims, continued to engage in slavery long after Britain ended slave trade...hence the Bombardment of Algiers in 1816. Africans doing slavery got punished for their cruelty...and still they continue even now in North Africa.

[@forevertipsy3550]

@@AtifAli-dc6cr i wonder why muslim countries STILL buy/sell slaves?

[@hariseldon3786]

OMG I just realised something - Lets Go Brandon = LGB - hmm all it need is a "T" (Today)! - LGBT - OK lets all say LGBT!!! e.g. "I celebrate and support LGBT" - lets see if that one catches on...

[@fogellmclovin6278]

What does that let's go Brandon thing even mean? I'm guessing it's some sort of far right Donald trump dog whistle or something?

[@hariseldon3786]

@@fogellmclovin6278 lol

[@fogellmclovin6278]

@@hariseldon3786 go on explain it I genuinely want to know

[@hariseldon3786]

@@fogellmclovin6278 Well, sometimes "things catch on and sometimes they don't " - I think it depends on the cultural "zeitgeist" at the time.. certainly the zeitgeist is for "Lets Go Brandon" - but can it be extended? I don't know....

[@fogellmclovin6278]

@@hariseldon3786 nah you've misunderstood my question again...I purely and simply want to know what it means? Where does "Let's go Brandon" originate from?