Are Seventh-day Adventists Right About Sunday Worship?

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Are Seventh-day Adventists Right About Sunday Worship?

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Who are Seventh-day Adventists, and what do they believe? For starters, they're Adventists, meaning that they believe that Christ is about to return. The "Seventh-day" part of their name refers to their believe that Christians should make holy Saturday, not Sunday (which they view as a compromise with paganism and with Catholicism). And behind a lot of this is the theology and alleged revelations of a woman named Ellen Gould White, who accused Constantine and the pope of changing the Christian holy day from Saturday to Sunday. So how might a non-Adventist respond?\
0:00 - Intro
0:08 - Briefing
0:42 - What do they believe
3:39 - What is Adventism
19:57 - What is 7th day Sabbatarianism
25:43 - Who is Ellen White
27:34 - What did Ellen White Claim about Sunday Worship
35:29 - Christian worship pre-Constantine
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@michaelinsc1644 10 ай бұрын

Ex SDA here who has joined the Catholic Church. Thank you for this very much!

@CatholicWeeb 4 ай бұрын

Same, sup!

@tony1685 9 күн бұрын

so you don't believe the Commandment any longer? very sad.

@BensWorkshop 8 күн бұрын

@@tony1685 You didn't watch the video did you? Because if you did you would be ex SDA too. Shame.

@tony1685 8 күн бұрын

@@BensWorkshop tell me the 1 or 2 'strong points' -- then tell me why you believe it's now ok to ignore God's Holy Command. thanks in advance, Ben!

@BensWorkshop 8 күн бұрын

@@tony1685 Tony, you have been presented with plenty of good evidence for the Catholic position. You do not even look at it. Instead you follow the teachings of an obviously false messenger/prophet Ellen G White whose claims are nonsense and have been debunked.

@hahahajg 10 ай бұрын

As and ex-adventist converted to catholicism, the didaqué and St Ignacius of Antioch wouldn't let me sleep at night

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

You should have read those writings in the Greek. No mention of *day* appears in both writings.

@nick2658 10 ай бұрын

bro they used to worship on Sunday too..by worshipping the sun on that day…they named all the days of the week by their gods.. Thursday-thunder God Sunday-sun god Saturday-Saturn But the thing is that worshipping on Saturday was before pagans worshiped their God on that day..because it was instituted by God not man .. -He speaks of people gathering on a day how does that change the day from Saturday to Sunday .. 1 Corinthians 16:2 "On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that there will be no collecting when I come. This verse doesn’t mean that the sabbath day was changed And in acts when they broke bread on that day..still doesn’t give evidence that the day was changed ..I can break bread on Monday and that doesn’t mean that the day was changed The other problem is that putting in a 8th day just doesn’t make sense and brings a lot of confusion because according to the Bible itself ..Christ did not die on a Saturday but on a Friday And another problem is that yes ..we are not saved by any works but by Grace trough faith..for if we were saved by works Jesus wouldn’t need to die for us …But Paul in Romans 6:15-16 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? And we know that sin is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4..so if we sin that brings death but if we obey..the commandments that God made including the sabbath comes righteousness Just because Christian writes lord use it as the Lords day doesn’t mean that they were correct..because as He rightly said the Lords day would be the sabbath Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: Jesus did fullfilled the sacrificial laws..which had to deal with the feast days and sacrifices etc ..Jesus certainly did not to come to fulfill the weekly sabbath becuase that would mean as-well that He would fulfill killing people and having other gods-because those are some of the laws and the Bible says if you break one you break all- James 2:10

@benjaminfalzon4622 9 ай бұрын

When one leaves a religion and Join another religion all they end up with is another religion. I left the Catholic Church, it was one of the best decisions I ever made, but I never joined a different religion, because I found God instead of another religion.

@kainosktisis777 6 ай бұрын

@@benjaminfalzon4622 Where does Scripture inform that leaving the Church for a sect (faction) started by someone other than Christ is Scriptural? Did Jesus command that the Church have division?

@kainosktisis777 6 ай бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA This is from CCEL: “XIV 1. Κατὰ κυριακὴν δὲ κυρίου συναχθέντες κλάσατε ἄρτον καὶ εὐχαριστήσατε, προεξομολογησάμενοι τὰ παραπτώματα ὑμῶν, ὅπως καθαρὰ ἡ θυσία ὑμῶν ᾐ. 2. πᾶς δὲ ἔχων τὴν ἀμφιβολίαν μετὰ τοῦ ἑταίρου αὐτοῦ μὴ συνελθέτω ὑμῖν, ἕως οὗ διαλλαγῶσιν, ἵνα μὴ κοινωθῇ ἡ θυσία ὑμῶν. 3. αὕτη γάρ ἐστιν ἡ ῥηθεῖσα ὑπὸ κυρίου· Ἐν παντὶ τόπὼ καὶ χρόνῳ προσφέρειν μοι θυσίαν καθαράν. ὅτι βασιλεὺς μέγας εἰμί, λέγει κύριος, καὶ τὸ ὄνομά μου θαυμαστὸν ἐν τοῖς ἔθνεσι.” The translation I’m getting is this: “XIV 1. And on the Lord's Sunday, gathered together, you broke bread and gave thanks, confessing your transgressions beforehand, just as your sacrifice was pure. 2. But whoever has the doubt with his partner, I do not gather with you, until they change, so that your sacrifice is not shared. 3. For this is the one who spoke from the Lord: In every place and time they offer me a pure sacrifice. for I am a great king, says the Lord, and my name is wonderful among the nations.” Now granted this is using translation software, but it does in fact - if accurate - say the Lord’s Day - or Sunday here. This is from Early Church Texts on Ignatius’ Letter to the Magnesians: “IX. Εἰ οὖν οἱ ἐν παλαιοῖς πράγμασιν ἀναστραφέντες εἰς καινότητα ἐλπίδος ἦλθον, μηκέτι σαββατίζοντες, ἀλλὰ κατὰ κυριακὴν ζῶντες, ἐν ᾗ καὶ ἡ ζωὴ ἡμῶν ἀνέτειλεν δι' αὐτοῦ καὶ τοῦ θανάτου αὐτοῦ, ὅν τινες ἀρνοῦνται, δι' οὗ μυστηρίου ἐλάβομεν τὸ πιστεύειν, καὶ διὰ τοῦτο ὑπομένομεν, ἵνα εὑρεθῶμεν μαθηταὶ Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ τοῦ μόνου διδασκάλου ἡμῶν· πῶς ἡμεῖς δυνησόμεθα ζῆσαι χωρὶς αὐτοῦ, οὗ καὶ οἱ προφῆται μαθηταὶ ὄντες τῷ πνεύματι ὡς διδάσκαλον αὐτὸν προσεδόκων; καὶ διὰ τοῦτο, ὃν δικαίως ἀνέμενον, παρὼν ἤγειρεν αὐτοὺς ἐκ νεκρῶν.” Here is the translation I’d gotten again using translation software: “IX. So those who in the old things turned to new hope came, not keeping the Sabbath, but living on the Sunday, in which our life arose because of him and his death, whom they deny, through whom we received the sacrament they believe, and because of this let us persevere, that we may be disciples of Jesus Christ our only teacher: how can we live without him, to whom also the prophets are disciples of the spirit as teachers of him who come?” Twice therefore the Lord’s Day or Sunday is referenced. Thoughts? 🤔

@KyleWhittington 10 ай бұрын

Just here waiting for Yajun to show up.

@danvankouwenberg7234 10 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@danvankouwenberg7234 10 ай бұрын

It's a little advent. Don't forget tony!!!

@mechwa28 10 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@halleylujah247 10 ай бұрын

And Tony

@andrefouche9682 10 ай бұрын

@@halleylujah247I was about to ask where Tony is.

@J-PLeigh8409 10 ай бұрын

Ahh, the infamous 19th cent cult of personalities....def no shortage of imposed heterodox teachings....the fruit of Sola Scriptura. As usual, a nicely laid out detailed vid Shameless Popery, grace & peace good sir

@TruthHasSpoken 10 ай бұрын

"the fruit of Sola Scriptura" Was and is : chaos and confusion

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@@TruthHasSpoken "the fruit of sola magisterium" Check your brain at the door.

@christendomempire5657 7 ай бұрын

We don't teach sola magisterium . We believe in the Authority of scripture and sacred tradition with the magisterium that is the teaching authority to interpret both. I will ignore the childish insults.

@TruthHasSpoken 7 ай бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA "Check your brain at the door." That protestants are unable to provide an agreed to definition of Sola Scriptura shows just how unbiblical and errant it is (aside from thousands of denominations all disagreeing with each other on how to interpret scripture itself)

@J-PLeigh8409 7 ай бұрын

@@christendomempire5657 yup, the Church is subservient to the scriptures but contains the authoritative interp w/ the Magisterium in the catechism

@wingedlion17 10 ай бұрын

Well done. Well researched. As A former SDA I can say that you did not straw man the history of the movement or the claims made by most conservative churches/figures.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

Why are you former?

@Qwerty-jy9mj 10 ай бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA He found out adventism was false, presumably.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@@Qwerty-jy9mj A Doctrinal Catechism by Rev. Stephen Keenan (with *Imprimatur)* response to questions of Joseph Heschmeyer. Timestamp 46:12 Q. Does not St. Paul order the Galatians and Corinthians to make collections on the first day of the week? A. Yes; but, again, this does not abolish the observance of Saturday. St. Paul does not say that the people would be at church on that day,-that they were to keep that day, to the exclusion of Saturday, holy,-or that these collections were to be made at church, but merely that every man should lay up by himself in store upon that day. Timestamp 47:00 Q. Is it not said in the Acts-"And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow," and is not this ancient scriptural authority for the observance of the first day of the week? A. But does this text abrogate the observance of Saturday the seventh day, or allow Protestants to do profane work on that day? Certainly not. They should then rest upon both days, if they hold the above text as any argument. The text in question does not say that the Apostle preached, or that the people assembled every first day of the week, but merely on this particular day, for which a good reason is given, namely, that St. Paul was to depart next day. It is quite clear, however, that they met every Saturday; for the same Acts say, St. Paul preached in the Synagogue every Sabbath, and exhorted the Jews and the Greeks. Besides, it is not wonderful that the disciples came together on this first day of the week, since, according to Acts ii, they continued DAILY in the Temple breaking bread.

@lukesbart1 10 ай бұрын

I am an ex-Seventh Day Adventist currently in the process of converting to Catholicism. Thank you for your video Joe! Many Seventh-Day Adventists will acknowledge that there were Christian gatherings before Constantine, they assert that no Christians saw it as a rest day until Constantine passed his Sunday rest law. We have evidence from as early as the 200's to dispute this assertion, in 220AD Origen says “On Sunday none of the actions of the world should be done. If then, you abstain from all the works of this world and keep yourselves free for spiritual things, go to church, listen to the readings and divine homilies, meditate on heavenly things. (Homil. 23 in Numeros 4, PG 12:749). Understanding what the purpose of the Sabbath actually was helped me in overcoming this objection I had as an Adventist. Adventists generally assert that the Seventh-Day Sabbath was a creation ordinance and because of this, passages like Romans 14 and Colossians 2 cannot apply to the weekly Sabbath. There are no passages in the Bible establishing the weekly Sabbath before Exodus 16. The Sabbath command was meant to be a sharing in God's rest and was given as a sign to Israel in Exodus 31:13. The Sabbath was the sign of the covenant and was only given to the Israelites at Sinai and not to their fathers (Deuteronomy 5:3). The Sabbath is fulfilled in the rest that we enter into when we enter into Jesus' rest "9 So then, there remains a sabbath rest for the people of God; 10 for whoever enters God’s rest also ceases from his labors as God did from his." Hebrews 4:9,10. The context of Hebrews 4 makes it clear that the rest is "Today" and not only on the Seventh day. Because the Sabbath is a command that was given to the Israelites as part of the Mosaic covenant, it could not have been changed by those who were never in the Mosaic covenant. The Christian church has always gathered together and celebrated the resurrection on the first day of the week (John 20:26-28, Acts 20:7, Didache 14:1, Epistle of Barnabas 15:6-8, Justin's Apology). The quotes from Catholics the are usually given as part of the Adventist argument for the change of the Sabbath do not take into account what is actually meant by them. Those Catholic writers do not mean that the Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday in the 300's, they mean that the Church started to gather together on the first day starting in the first century. Since we believe in Apostolic Succession, the Church believes that the Apostles were Catholic and since they started celebrating the resurrection on the First day, the church instituted this. Adventists believe that Sunday keeping will be the mark of the beast described in Revelation 13:16-18. They believe, from the Great Controversy written by Ellen White, that in the end times there will be a national Sunday law passed in the United States. This law will compel all to worship on the "Papal Sabbath" and desecrate "God's Sabbath." That is why some Seventh-day Adventists are so rabid about promoting the Sabbath. They believe that this Sunday law will be passed and eventually everyone will come and hunt them down since they are not worshipping on Sunday. For any Adventist who happens to be reading this: Catholics do not believe that there is only one day of worship, we have public worship every day and even have public worship on Saturdays. Adventists believe that the Papacy was "allowed to exercise authority" from 538-1798 based on the prophecies of Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:5. For "Sunday worship" to be the sign of papal authority as claimed by Ellen White, it would have to be something with unique origin and enforcement from the papacy. That is simply not the case, the Adventist scholar Samuele Bacchiocchi in his book "From Sabbath to Sunday" acknowledges that gatherings on Sunday were happening as early as the second century. The Papacy could not enforce a mark of its authority 400 years before it even existed according to your historical account. The Papacy is still around and allowed to exercise authority today. For any Adventists: how is Pope Pius VI being taken captive in 1798 the fatal wound if Pope Boniface VIII was taken captive in a similar way in 1303. I thank God for leading me into the fullness of truth in his Church and pray more Adventists will come to see the truth as I did.

@nick2658 10 ай бұрын

@lukesbart1 10 ай бұрын

@@nick2658 Q: "bro they used to worship on Sunday too..by worshipping the sun on that day…they named all the days of the week by their gods.. ..." A: Cite a primary historical source that says that the Romans worshipped the sun on Sunday before 100 A.D. and show that that is where Christians adopted that practice from. In Greek, the name of the first day of the week is Kiriaki or Lord's. The ancient Romans did not have weekly worship services and rest days, they had religious festivals throughout the year. Historian Philip Schaff on the celebration of the Lord's Day: The celebration of the Lord’s Day in memory of the resurrection of Christ dates undoubtedly from the apostolic age. Nothing short of apostolic precedent can account for the universal religious observance in the churches of the second century. There is no dissenting voice. This custom is confirmed by the testimonies of the earliest post-apostolic writers, as Barnabas, Ignatius, and Justin Martyr. It is also confirmed by the younger Pliny. The Didache calls the first day "the Lord’s Day of the Lord." (Schaff, 60. The Lord’s Day.) Q: "But the thing is that worshipping on Saturday was before pagans worshiped their God on that day..because it was instituted by God not man .." A: Before Hillel II, the week was based on the new moon cycle. So if you want to celebrate Sabbath on the day that the Jews did in the time of Jesus, you have to observe the new moon sabbaths as there is no scriptural or pre-Christian tradition support for changing that practice. According to Jewish calculations, the creation of the world began on a Monday in the Gregorian calendar, which makes Sunday the seventh-day of creation in our calendar. Q: "-He speaks of people gathering on a day how does that change the day from Saturday to Sunday .. " A: You cited verses that I didn't even quote, showing that you made no attempt to actually address my point. The whole point is that its not a one-to-one Saturday to Sunday change. All the Sabbaths were part of the old covenant, there is no scriptural support to suggest otherwise (Colossians 2:16-17). If you look into the Sabbath command in Deuteronomy 5 and Exodus 20, you will see that the Sabbath celebrated both creation and deliverance from Egypt and was given to the Israelites. The celebration of the first day of the week is something that has Apostolic support and you have to grant that they had the authority to start that practice. Q: "Just because Christian writes lord use it as the Lords day doesn’t mean that they were correct..because as He rightly said the Lords day would be the sabbath." A: When analyzing word's in the original language of the Bible you need to compare phrases and word's together. "Kyriake hemera" is a hapax legomenon (a term only used once) just like "theopneustos" of 2 Timothy 3:16 both of which we rely on how they were used in other writings at the time for its interpretation. The day of the Lord is not the same as the Lord's day in the Greek and should not be treated as if they are interchangeable. Q: "And we know that sin is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4..so if we sin that brings death but if we obey..the commandments that God made including the sabbath comes righteousness " A: There is still law in the new covenant, but it has changed because of the change in priesthood. Hebrews 7:11-12 "11 Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? 12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well." Q: "Jesus did fullfilled the sacrificial laws..which had to deal with the feast days and sacrifices etc ..Jesus certainly did not to come to fulfill the weekly sabbath becuase that would mean as-well that He would fulfill killing people and having other gods-because those are some of the laws and the Bible says if you break one you break all- James 2:10" A: Catholics are not antinomians. All of the Mosaic laws have been fulfilled, but the moral principles of the Old Law are always applicable because they are moral principles given by God, always a reflection of his character. The law of God is more than just the ten commandments: Matthew 22:36-40 "36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”" All of the Sabbaths have been fulfilled, Catholics still keep the moral principle behind the sabbath commandment as the thing being celebrated and the day are both ceremonial parts of the command. We give God one day out of seven and take time to celebrate the resurrection and celebrate the practice that he enjoined on us "Do this in remembrance of me." (Luke 22:19)

@nick2658 10 ай бұрын

@@lukesbart1 yes so why is the moral of the Old Testament done but not the-sabbath?-the sabbath is the only commandment that speaks for us to remember and most of the world are forgetting about it… Hebrews 46 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. This tells us that the Sabbath day remains and I want to ask you this..Who changed the day from Saturday to Sunday?

@lukesbart1 10 ай бұрын

@@nick2658 Q: yes so why is the moral of the Old Testament done but not the-sabbath?-the sabbath is the only commandment that speaks for us to remember and most of the world are forgetting about it… A: The remember of this commandment makes the thing being remembered a ceremonial command which has been superseded in Christ and has work. There is a new creation that has already begun. Colossians 2:16-17 "16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a sabbath. 17 These are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ." 2 Corinthians 5:17 "17 Therefore, if any one is in Christ, he is a new creation;[a] the old has passed away, behold, the new has come." Q: This tells us that the Sabbath day remains and I want to ask you this..Who changed the day from Saturday to Sunday? A: You're not fully accounting for the context of this passage. Hebrews 4:4 "For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way, “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works." God once has appointed a rest from his works on the seventh day. Hebrews 4:7 "again he sets a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted, “Today, when you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.” We see in verse 7 that there is a day that is appointment by God, "today," in which we are supposed to enter his rest. Hebrews 4:8 "8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God[b] would not speak later of another day. " In this verse there is another day in which God plans gives us his rest, "today". Hebrews 4:9-10 " 9 So then, there remains a sabbath rest for the people of God; 10 for whoever enters God’s rest also ceases from his labors as God did from his." There is a sabbatismos (the blessed rest from toils and troubles looked for in the age to come by the true worshippers of God and true Christians - from NAS lexicon) that remains for the people of God, on this today appointed by God. Hebrews 4:11 11 Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, that no one fall by the same sort of disobedience. When we come to Christ we enter into this rest: Matthew 11:28 "Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest."

@nick2658 10 ай бұрын

@@lukesbart1 that’s the thing bro the sabbath day in the 10 commandments is not a ceremonial sabbath…it’s was the weekly sabbath …that’s why it is one of the 10 commandments written by God Himself and not Moses

@mariatr492 10 ай бұрын

I wake up, I see that Joe posted a video, I click 😊 Update after getting most of the way through: so basically it seems that a lot of the conspiracy theories about Catholics came from SDAs

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

No conspiracy theories from SDAs, rather Catholics are unaware what the Catholic Church taught before the 1900s because they don't read old Catholic sources.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

A Doctrinal Catechism by Rev. Stephen Keenan (with *Imprimatur)* response to questions of Joseph Heschmeyer. Timestamp 46:12 Q. Does not St. Paul order the Galatians and Corinthians to make collections on the first day of the week? A. Yes; but, again, this does not abolish the observance of Saturday. St. Paul does not say that the people would be at church on that day,-that they were to keep that day, to the exclusion of Saturday, holy,-or that these collections were to be made at church, but merely that every man should lay up by himself in store upon that day. Timestamp 47:00 Q. Is it not said in the Acts-"And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow," and is not this ancient scriptural authority for the observance of the first day of the week? A. But does this text abrogate the observance of Saturday the seventh day, or allow Protestants to do profane work on that day? Certainly not. They should then rest upon both days, if they hold the above text as any argument. The text in question does not say that the Apostle preached, or that the people assembled every first day of the week, but merely on this particular day, for which a good reason is given, namely, that St. Paul was to depart next day. It is quite clear, however, that they met every Saturday; for the same Acts say, St. Paul preached in the Synagogue every Sabbath, and exhorted the Jews and the Greeks. Besides, it is not wonderful that the disciples came together on this first day of the week, since, according to Acts ii, they continued DAILY in the Temple breaking bread.

@JackHermanKikiraNyosy-oe9vo 10 ай бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDAyes, synagogues were common places where Pharisees and other hypocrites gathered to study the laws and pray to show everyone around that they were crooks. Paul, disciples and even Jesus went there to preach and teach and that's where was thrown out by sabbatarians.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@@JackHermanKikiraNyosy-oe9vo Yes it was the custom (ethic) of Jesus to attend the liturgy of the Word every Sabbath (Luke 4:16).

@JackHermanKikiraNyosy-oe9vo 10 ай бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA indeed but not to pray and worship but to teach and preach as synagogues were like common meeting places.

@SaintCharbelMiracleworker 10 ай бұрын

What was Sabbath in preparation for according to Judaism? “The Sabbath is the day of preparation for the banquet which will be laid out in the Olam Haba when Messiah comes we will feast on the 8th day.” - Rabbi Yakov (Teacher of Judah haNasi/the writer of the Mishna) Jesus is Messiah and he has already arrived, lived, died and resurrected. As Catholics, we are living in the Messianic Olam Haba. God has put before us His feast on the 8th day, the Eucharistic sacrifice of thanksgiving. The seventh day = sabbath. So the eighth day is the day that they were preparing for. This is why in the NT the first day is also known as the 8th day as it follows the Sabbath. In the messianic Olam Haba the day of worship is going to be the Eighth day/First day/Sunday when the Eucharistic banquet is set by God. To worship on Saturday instead of Sunday is to deny that we are living in the Messianic Age. It is a denial that Christ is the Messiah. If one is Jewish ie Hebrew Catholic it is fine to take part in Sabbath activities but the Sabbath must not replace the day of worship which is Sunday. How is this to be understood? The seventh day (Sabbath) is the day of preparation for the day that is to come in the Messianic Olam Haba (Sunday). God Himself will lay out the banquet. It is the Eucharist, the sacrifice of thanksgiving which the sages prophesied. The Pharisees were upset when Jesus did “works” of healing on the Sabbath. Jesus healed on a Sabbath because He is the Lord of the Sabbath, the Sabbath has no power over Christ or His Church. It is the Jewish apostles who began worshiping on the Eighth Day/Sunday (according to Jewish calendar)... the day following the Sabbath, because the Sabbath is now fulfilled. Foolish of followers of Christ to want to continue worshipping on Saturdays when they have no idea why/what Sabbath was originally designed for. When Christ spoke about the 10 Commandments and named them He never said keep the Sabbath because He knew His day with the New Covenant would change. The Sabbath is the Old Covenant.

@jackdaw6359 10 ай бұрын

Such cool quotes we see vindicated in the early fathers who spoke about the 8th day as well

@2righthands816 10 ай бұрын

_If one is Jewish ie Hebrew Catholic it is fine to take part in Sabbath activities but the Sabbath must not replace the day of worship which is Sunday._ Why would it be fine? Sabbath had a specific meaning and it only applied in the pre-Messianic times. Celebrating Sabbath today would be rather weird.

@tafazzi-on-discord 10 ай бұрын

@@2righthands816 The nazorean movement in early christianity were jewish catholics that wanted to live by the mosaic covenant, for their own holiness/heritage. The church allowed them to. I can understand why it would be a powerful evangelization tool with jews to say "look, most catholics are gentiles, so we only stick with the new covenant, but you can live both the old and the new covenant, look at those guys over there!".

@2righthands816 10 ай бұрын

@@tafazzi-on-discordI understand that it should be completely fine for Israeli Catholics to include certain aspects of Hebrew tradition in their religious celebrations. But Sabbath was a religious celebration on its own which doesn't apply today as we're not awaiting the Messiah anymore.

@tafazzi-on-discord 10 ай бұрын

@@2righthands816 I don't know enough about this subject to give any further fruitful input, i hope someone answers your doubts

@DrewTheCatholic 10 ай бұрын

Superb work! So much craziness coming from America in the 1800s! 😮

@masterchief8179 10 ай бұрын

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@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

What craziness?

@mikelopez8564 10 ай бұрын

⁠⁠@@YajunYuanSDAI think he’s talking about all the restoration communities which sprung up during this time known by some as the second great awakening. JWs, SDAs, Mormons, Christian Science and all based on someone’s personal revelations. For an outsider looking in, these communities have more in common with one another than the Church Jesus founded in the first century.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@@mikelopez8564 Which personal revelations are JWs based on? According to Wikipedia, the Second Great Awakening was from 1790-1840. The SDA movement came up after the end.

@mikelopez8564 10 ай бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA both the SDA and JW came out of William miller’s Millerite movement, so both carried forward some from there. Miller began the movement in 1843, which, as you pointed out is 3 or 4 years after wiki says the 2d great awakening ended. Out of the Millerites, Russell was the prophet for the JWs and as you know EGH White for the SDA. I have heard she preferred the title “messenger”, also known as an angel. Russell’s “Watchtower” and White’s writings are considered inerrant, like scripture

@fabianagco5902 10 ай бұрын

There is also the Bahá'í religion, who believe that Jesus *did* come in 1844 in the person of Bahāʾullāh. Additionally to the 2300 day/year calculation they rather randomly point to some earthquake, a flood and a dark day (of which there are many) to prove that all prophecies point to this same time as well. Joe, I love your videos.

@maryjordan4129 10 ай бұрын

Joe is such an excellent teacher and speaker! I learn so much every time I watch.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@andreeattieh2963 9 ай бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDAstop trolling Catholics

@YajunYuanSDA 9 ай бұрын

@@andreeattieh2963 I'm directly quoting a *Catholic* source

@andreeattieh2963 9 ай бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA you are trolling Catholics by misunderstanding what the Catholic church teaches

@jendoe9436 10 ай бұрын

I remember Jimmy Akin doing two Mysterious Worlds episodes on Ellen White in regards to her prophet/prophecy claims and evaluating if she meets those tests. It’s still weird to me how people are quick to try and figure out the End Times instead of living everyday like their last day or taking time to enjoy God’s creation. Makes me pity them actually. As to Sunday vs Saturday worship, it seems pretty clear to me why Sunday is the Lord’s Day and why the Sabbath remains on Saturday. Jesus died on Friday and rose again on Sunday, so it makes sent to celebrate the day He resurrected. The Sabbath is a day of rest and preparation for that promised Messiah. So why would the early Christians observe the Sabbath when it’s purpose has been fulfilled? Just doesn’t make sense to me. Also, days of the week have a mix of Greek and Norse elements, at least in the English calendar: Saturday- Saturn’s Day Sunday- Sun’s Day Monday- Moon’s Day Tuesday- Tyr’s Day (a Norse god known for losing his hand to the giant wolf Fenrir) Wednesday- Woden’s Day (Odin, the king of the Asgard gods) Thursday- Thor’s Day (the Norse god of thunder) Friday- Freya’s Day (a Norse goddess, can’t remember her big thing right now The whole naming convention would have to be wiped in English if we don’t want to tie anything to pagan or non-Christian roots, which would be difficult and would require an overhaul of the languages in general.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

"The Sabbath is a day of rest and preparation for that promised Messiah." The early Christians observed the Sabbath because "The Sabbath is a day of delightful communion with God and one another. It is a symbol of *our redemption in Christ,* a sign of our sanctification, a token of our allegiance, and a foretaste of our eternal future in God's kingdom."

@femaleKCRoyalsFan 10 ай бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDAthey worshipped on the day of the resurrection, SUNDAY

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@@femaleKCRoyalsFan Polycarp worshipped on the seventh day Sabbath.

@StringofPearls55 10 ай бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA How do you conclude that Polycarp kept the Sabbath?

@RealSeanithan 10 ай бұрын

Who was that SDA guy who became popular because he made a video about why he stopped being Catholic, in which he made several points about Catholic beliefs and literally every single one was wrong?

@mariatr492 10 ай бұрын

I believe the channel was called Bible Flock Box. I watched Trent Horns rebuttal of that video lol

@RealSeanithan 10 ай бұрын

@mariatopmiller492 I saw Trent's, but my intro to it was Upon Friar Review. I like that show, but I'm not going to lie: I'm not the biggest fan of Fr Casey from that show.

@joaodebarro6169 10 ай бұрын

Fr Casey, from what I see is kind of promoting Liberation Theology nowadays, which is a cancer that corrupts the Church, which to me is really sad, bc one of ny introductions to Catholicism was fr. Casey

@RealSeanithan 10 ай бұрын

@@joaodebarro6169 same: I never had to be convinced that Catholicism was true; I just grew up believing that it was wrong, and I later discovered that what it truly teaches aligns more closely with what I knew to be true than my denomination, and it was Fr Casey that was one of my big introductions to what Catholics actually believe. I do have him to thank for that, but I think your assessment is pretty spot on.

@rosiegirl2485 10 ай бұрын

@@RealSeanithan I listened to these guys a few times. I saw that they were Catholic, but quickly became uncomfortable with their teaching...and yes, it was Fr. Casey that made me feel this. Pray for them, that they embrace Christ's teaching, and utilize the Bible/Catechism when in doubt. The Bible for God's infallible Word, and the Catechism because the Church has been given Authority, by Jesus, to teach in truth.

@mmtoss6530 4 ай бұрын

As someone who is Protestant, you are doing the Lord’s Work here.

@ChericeGraham Ай бұрын

💯 I'm a former SDA, currently attending Lutheran services.

@bibleman8010 10 ай бұрын

1. That the Adventists do not keep the sabbath. Keeping the sabbath requires the following: 😂😂 (1) Doing no work. (Ex. 20:9-10) (2) No baking or boiling. (Ex. 16:23) (3) Bearing no burden. (Jer. 17:21-22) (4) Offering two lambs. (Num. 28:9-10) If they argue that these things were abolished because they are not in the ten commandments, why then do they refuse to eat pork? There is no prohibition against eating pork in the ten commandments. The doctrine of abstaining from meat today is of the devil. (1 Tim. 4:1-4) 2. That the Seventh-day Adventist Church denomination is not in the Bible. 3. That they are "deceitful workers." (2 Cor. 11:13) They conceal their identity as long as possible in their personal work, and their broadcasts and public services are presented under titles that do not reveal their true identity. 4. That Adventists assume the major premise in nearly all that they teach. With love for their souls, I cry out, "Come out from this error!" Study the Scriptures -- prove all things! knowing that the sabbath is nowhere commanded under the new covenant, must resort to the old. But this does them no good, affirming it is binding on Christians under the new covenant, unless they can prove that the old law is the new law or part thereof. This they make a feeble attempt to do. However, all that is necessary to refute his assumption is to prove that the old law is done away. If the old law is done away it is impossible for the affirmative to make it the authority in the new. This I intend to do at this time, and at the same time showing its location historically in the scheme of redemption. In contending for the observance of the sabbath day of Exodus 20, Adventists overlook the significance of history which is summarized by the apostle Paul in Galatians three. Four hundred and thirty years before the law was given at Mount Sinai, God made the promise to Abraham, "In thee shall all nations be blessed . . . He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ." (Gal. 3:8, 16) At Sinai God made a covenant with the children of Israel, even the law. It was in this law that the sabbath was given or made known: "Thou camest down also upon Mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments: and madest known unto them thy holy sabbath . . . by the hand of Moses thy servant." (Deut. 9:13-14) But this law "cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; . . . But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." (Gal. 3:17-25) 1. Why do NO Christians keep the Sabbath in the New Testament? 2. Why does Paul THREE times tell us that we need not keep the Sabbath? 3. Why does Hebrews tell us that the day we keep is "ANOTHER" day? 4. Why does the Bible tell us that the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant made with Israel? and then why does the Bible tell us that this covenant does not apply to Christians? 5. Why are there NO commands for Christians to keep the Sabbath in the entire Bible? 6. Why does Adventism teach that Adam kept the Sabbath, when the Bible teaches that no-one before the time of Moses knew about the Sabbath? 7. Why does the Bible say that the Sabbath is a sign for Israel, and never applies it to mankind as a whole? 8. Why does Adventism gather weekly on Saturday, when in the New Testament and in the first, second, and third centuries, Christians gathered on Sunday? Luke 11:41 "But give that which is within as charity, and then all things are clean for you. Acts 10:15 Again a voice came to him a second time, "What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy." Acts 11:9 "But a voice from heaven answered a second time, 'What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.' Romans 14:1 Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions. Colossians 2:16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-- (NASB ©1995) Mark 7:19 because it goeth not into his heart, but into his belly, and goeth out into the draught? This he said , making all meats clean. John 5:18 (NIV) 18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God. Hosea 2:11 will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts. 758 years before the Birth of Christ. Isaiah 1:12-14King James Version (KJV) 12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them. It is ironic that Jesus and His disciples were harassed by the Pharisees over the Sabbath (John 5:18). Jesus spoke out against the Pharisee's merciless observance of the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; Luke 13:10-16). Jesus also defended Himself and His disciples on this issue by saying: "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath; so the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath." [Mark 2:27-28; RSV]. On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them... [Acts 20:7] It is interesting to note that St. Paul had spent a week with the community in Troas (Acts 20:6), and this is the only reported time that he celebrated the "breaking of bread" with them. Also no remarks are made later in this passage that St. Paul disapproved of their worship on Sunday. One would expect St. Paul to object to this practice, if it were rooted in paganism. and claiming authority over it. The Lord said the Sabbaths would cease and that’s exactly what he meant.

@RenegadeCatholic 10 ай бұрын

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@timboslice980 10 ай бұрын

Nailed it. I was going to touch on some of that but you totally covered it! One group that I can't help but find fascinating are the messianic jews. Their modifications are so odd

@iwansaputra1890 10 ай бұрын

that result of "fast food teology"

@atrifle8364 10 ай бұрын

@@timboslice980- Messianic Jews are modalists. It's a very old heresy.

@astutik8909 10 ай бұрын

Your problem is, Jesus and the apostles and the people still kept the Sabbath. Your Numbers quote applies to the Levites and their roles in the tabernacle. The people didnt have to offer 2 lambs every sabbath. Your next problem is, you dont understand the difference between the 7th day Sabbath and other sabbaths. There were even sabbath years. The 7th day Sabbath is an eternal commandment, written in stone, and the 4th of the 10 commandments. The other sabbaths are part of levitical laws. The term " breaking bread" does not always refer to the new passover. They were fellowship meals. Sometimes daily, sometimes weekly. Nothing to do with Sabbath or SUNday. Tho can be on either, or none. SDA are correct about the Sabbath, but a believer can worship GOD everyday, any day. It just so happens, that as the 7th day Sabbath is the day off, its convenient to share with everyone else on that same day. In the same way, people do on sunday. You also mentioned forbidding meat is a doctrine of the devil?. Yet catholics have no meat fridays and forbid marriage of the clergy. ???

@femaleKCRoyalsFan 10 ай бұрын

I believe the didache, an early catechism so to speak, says to worship sunday/the lord's day.

@hirakisk 10 ай бұрын

Correct. Scholars date this work to before 70 AD (the destruction of the temple). So, it would have more than likely been in use while some of the apostles were still alive.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

The Didache makes no mention of Sunday or the word Day. It says "According to the Lordliness of the Lord" in the Greek, which requires filling in the blanks. It could be read as "According to the Lord's doctrine of the Lord, gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure." or It could be read as "According to the Lord's command of the Lord, gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure."

@hirakisk 10 ай бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA You are correct on the word itself, but it is also misleading to say that the Didache "makes no mention". Foreign words (or any words for that matter) must be translated and given meaning. In this case, we have a word that really doesn't communicate what it means like some words. But, we have people who DID understand that word and we have multiple Christian documents that use the same word in the same manner and passed the meaning on that it means, "The Lord's Day" and was used to describe Sunday.

@mulipolatuuumataafatiufeaa4964 10 ай бұрын

Great and insightful talk, brother Joe

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@mbberry135 10 ай бұрын

Dear J. H.; I remember watching a Protestant trying to defend Saturday Worship. He was reading a stiry from Acts the one where the guy falks out the window and dies. The highlights everything starts on the Sabbath, and when evening came they Broke Bread. He must not have been taught that evenings divide the Jewish day (still does). So the Worship mentioned actually happens on Sunday. To our Orthodox Brethren (P.S. I love the term Orthobros) this is verse is proof text and allows Catholics to Worship on Saturday evening since that is Biblical. Sincerely in Xto Mike B. B. From Philly, P.A. U.S.A.

@johnnyosprey6056 10 ай бұрын

Another great episode!

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@Robert-bm2jr 10 ай бұрын

Great discussion as always. I really enjoy your work. Keep it up.

@ryanb4780 10 ай бұрын

@shamelesspopery Do you plan on doing any in-depth videos of Oneness Pentecostals? I've been encountering them quite often recently, and I'd really love some guidance.

@TheThreatenedSwan 10 ай бұрын

I asked SDAs if Paul talks about people gathering to worship on Sunday, do they _also_ gather and worship on Sunday? And no, they just do it on Saturday

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@trollpatrol7215 They do, but it is not fixed to that Sunday. They celebrate the death and resurrection of Christ on the day of worship closest to that time.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

Paul never talks about people gather to worship on Sunday. I can give you interpretations of the Sunday verses from a Catholic catechism that agree with SDA interpretations. SDAs can worship on additional days including Sunday, but not out of moral obligation.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@trollpatrol7215 Yes, not much. There is not a designated Easter day, it is celebrated as the theme on the day of worship closest to the date. There is no "rituals", just remembrance. Yes, the Lord purposely choose the Sabbath to be his only full day of rest. Even in His death He observed His Sabbath command.

@mikelopez8564 10 ай бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDAwhat does God say about the sabbath? He calls it a day of rest. You keep calling it a day of worship. Where is the disconnect here? In truth, the Jews worshipped, that is offered sacrifice, every day. First temple synagogues were not places of worship and this is easily verifiable if, of course, you permit yourself to read history outside your “approved documents”.

@answeringadventism 10 ай бұрын

Waiting for all the SDAs to flood the comments. Oh boy...

@derrick7442 10 ай бұрын

Heya Myles good to see ya!

@mikepotter1291 10 ай бұрын

Myles, I also came from an Adventist upbringing with lots of family belonging to the Adventist and a couple uncles being pastors. My wife and I converted to being catholic over 40 years ago and I've often wondered why, in doing the research coming out of adventism, more people don't become catholic. Did you consider becoming a catholic?

@mikepotter1291 10 ай бұрын

@halleylujah247 10 ай бұрын

Hey Tony look!

@Kitiwake 10 ай бұрын

Lol😂

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@@Kitiwake A Doctrinal Catechism by Rev. Stephen Keenan (with *Imprimatur)* response to questions of Joseph Heschmeyer. Timestamp 46:12 Q. Does not St. Paul order the Galatians and Corinthians to make collections on the first day of the week? A. Yes; but, again, this does not abolish the observance of Saturday. St. Paul does not say that the people would be at church on that day,-that they were to keep that day, to the exclusion of Saturday, holy,-or that these collections were to be made at church, but merely that every man should lay up by himself in store upon that day. Timestamp 47:00 Q. Is it not said in the Acts-"And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow," and is not this ancient scriptural authority for the observance of the first day of the week? A. But does this text abrogate the observance of Saturday the seventh day, or allow Protestants to do profane work on that day? Certainly not. They should then rest upon both days, if they hold the above text as any argument. The text in question does not say that the Apostle preached, or that the people assembled every first day of the week, but merely on this particular day, for which a good reason is given, namely, that St. Paul was to depart next day. It is quite clear, however, that they met every Saturday; for the same Acts say, St. Paul preached in the Synagogue every Sabbath, and exhorted the Jews and the Greeks. Besides, it is not wonderful that the disciples came together on this first day of the week, since, according to Acts ii, they continued DAILY in the Temple breaking bread.

@dynamic9016 10 ай бұрын

Really appreciate this video.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@robertotapia8086 10 ай бұрын

@ShamelessPopery @Joe Heschmeyer there's a brother called Myles Christian YT channel called @Answering Adventism Myles is very knowledgeable and charitable especially in SDA false doctrines would be a great guest or you on his channel to speak about SDA. God Bless your family and you. Robert from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

Myles cannot interpret writings properly.

@vacantmemes 10 ай бұрын

Joe destroyer of prots

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@bearistotle2820 4 ай бұрын

First of his name, defender of the faith, lawyer of God, bringer of truth, dispeller of lies... What other titles could we add?

@someonesomewhere6316 Ай бұрын

What a blessing you are, Joe! God bless.

@WC_Refugee 10 ай бұрын

Many SDAs are leaving the SDA church and going into the messianic movement.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

Not to my knowledge.

@Qwerty-jy9mj 10 ай бұрын

I mean, they're judaizers anyway...

@wesleysimelane3423 10 ай бұрын

What is this messianic movement you speak of?

@CorJenFarm 7 ай бұрын

Hello brother Joe, remember the Elf and Dwarf from Lord of the Rings :). I expect you to be the only one who knows why I just said that. As you may remember I am a SDA with an * which Ill explain later. I think you did a reasonably good job on the history aspect of your message. I really like your character in how you present. This is the second video of yours that I have watched, so far, Ill certainly keep watching as Im on a quest to make sure I understand Catholicism as best as I can from the best sources as possible such as yourself and Trent Horn who I watch a lot. Concerning the question you asked about Ellen's GC quote on "all Christians" in the "early centuries", I'll answer. I'll first say, you shouldn't trust her writings, God is not going to judge you or anyone outside of Adventism based on anything she has said. The only reason anyone should come to believe in her writings is because they first were convinced of the scriptural teachings of Adventism especially the prophetic books of Daniel and Revelation. Its actually similar in nature to belief in the Papacy. There are many things in Catholicism that make perfect sense to Catholics because of their conviction about the Papacy in scripture. I call this principle "he who has an ear let him hear". I assume based on your Catholic background and experience you understand my point. Most SDA wrongly believe the apostasy began with Constantine (increased but not began including Sunday sacredness), where myself and many others believe it began well before 100AD, but was a gradual process. In her writings "Christians" in some contexts might refer to all the various denominations that exist in the world and other times such as the GC quote refer only to those who are truly converted and faithful. Now similar to how Catholicism once anathmatized protestants in their breaking from the church, Catholicism understands that a lot of time has passed and a more merciful approach to their ignorance should be taken hence Catholicism doesn't just openly condemn others outside her church. Now there is no way for me to know the details of the early apostasy, I believe it based on my understanding of the totality of scripture. I have some plausible ideas based on the apostasy that Adventism has been going through since the early 1900's but I can't be sure of the first century because I wasn't there. For me the apostasy of my own church has taught me many lessons that I believe are likely compatible with how it may have happened in that day. Just as the SDA church today has made changes based on their interpretation of Ellen White, I see a similar pattern in how the early church fathers used "Lord's Day" and the scriptures. Based on my own experience apostasy can happen much faster than I think many realize. Most SDA wouldn't recognize this because they believe our church to have a similar level of infallibility to that of Catholicism. Slightly different, but similar in some ways. Concerning my *, my church used to be a non-trinitarian church but after the death of Ellen White some new interpretations of her writings came in and quickly took over the church. Ultimately the the church came to believe in a more tritheistic version of the Trinity, different than Catholicism. They would deny the tritheism claim but i use the term to differ from the real Trinity version of Catholicism. I won't go into my view at the moment but I was disfellowshipped for going back to the pioneer view. Thousands of us have done this. We still consider ourselves SDA but we are often not connected to the Conference. I totally understand why you see what you see and believe what you do. I have no condemnation for you as an individual and look forward to understanding Catholicism better through your videos. Because of f the nature of my beliefs I felt the burden was on me to portray Catholicism as accurate as possible and that is why I like watching these videos. I know there are many things I could say about the video but perhaps someday our paths may cross in a more personal way of dialogue, "friend". God Bless!

@onlylove556 10 ай бұрын

My dad knows they're a false church 100%, that they're led by a prophet from satan he says, but then he still believes that they teach truthfulness about Catholicism 😭 please do not laugh if u read this, & I ask for your prayers that he will soften his heart to see the truth in Catholicism, & not to hate me as i convert to The Holy Apostolic Catholic Church ... God bless you all 💯🙏🏼📿🌹🇻🇦💪🏻

@MeanBeanComedy 10 ай бұрын

I don't think you have to worry about people here laughing at you...

@darrellperez1029 10 ай бұрын

Don't worry about that. Remember that your father IS GOD. ANd He is above all else.

@onlylove556 10 ай бұрын

@@darrellperez1029 yeah I know, he just carries a lot of hate in his heart for what he perceives to believe the Catholic Church teaches, and I really want him to see the truth in Catholicism...

@darrellperez1029 10 ай бұрын

@@onlylove556 there's the proof of his beliefs being false. HATE. The other is, he believes a "prophet" who was proven wrong by God that her vision was fake. I guess you can say that to him? This person was no different than Luther or Smith really.

@onlylove556 10 ай бұрын

@@darrellperez1029 no I said he believes it's the SDA false church, it's just he is influenced , & says he believes that they teach truth about Catholicism, but he's a Baptist believer

@ConversioCajunus Ай бұрын

Found the quote by Justin Martyr he mentioned near the end: For since you have read, O Trypho, as you yourself admitted, the doctrines taught by our Saviour, I do not think that I have done foolishly in adding some short utterances of His to the prophetic statements. Wash therefore, and be now clean, and put away iniquity from your souls, as God bids you be washed in this laver, and be circumcised with the true circumcision. For we too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined you - namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your hearts. For if we patiently endure all things contrived against us by wicked men and demons, so that even amid cruelties unutterable, death and torments, we pray for mercy to those who inflict such things upon us, and do not wish to give the least retort to any one, even as the new Lawgiver commanded us: how is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us- I speak of fleshly circumcision, and Sabbaths, and feasts? -Dialogue with Trypho, chapter 18

@bibleman8010 10 ай бұрын

who accused Constantine and the pope of changing the Christian holy day from Saturday to Sunday.😂😂 Justin Martyr described 2nd century Christian liturgy in his First Apology (c. 150) to Emperor Antoninus Pius, and his description remains relevant to the basic structure of Christian liturgical worship: For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. (Gal. 5:14) And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. - Justin Martyr[ Thus, as Justin described, Christians assemble for communal worship on Sunday, the day of the resurrection, though other liturgical practices often occur outside this setting. Scripture readings are drawn from the Old and New Testaments, but especially the Gospels. Often these are arranged on an annual cycle, using a book called a lectionary. Instruction is given based on these readings, called a sermon, or homily. There are a variety of congregational prayers, including thanksgiving, confession, and intercession, which occur throughout the service and take a variety of forms including recited, responsive, silent, or sung. The Lord's Prayer, or Our Father, is regularly prayed. The Eucharist (called Holy Communion, or the Lord's Supper) is the part of liturgical worship that consists of a consecrated meal, usually bread and wine. Justin Martyr described the Eucharist: And this food is called among us Eukaristia [the Eucharist], of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things which we teach are true, and who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins, and unto regeneration, and who is so living as Christ has enjoined. For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh. This famous passage from the First Apology of St. Justin Martyr (Cap. 66-67: PG 6, 427-431) is used in the Roman Catholic Office of Readings for the third Sunday of Easter with the accompanying biblical reading of Revelation 6:1-17). Reflecting the way the Eucharist was celebrated in Rome about 150 AD, only about 55 years after the last New Testament books, it makes clear several important things: 1) the Eucharist was interpreted in a very realistic way in the early church 2) it was the principal, weekly worship celebration of the Christian Church 3) it took place on Sunday, not on Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath 4) the meaning of the Eucharist and manner of its celebration was handed down by the apostles No one may share the Eucharist with us unless he believes that what we teach is true, unless he is washed in the regenerating waters of baptism for the remission of his sins, and unless he lives in accordance with the principles given us by Christ. We do not consume the eucharistic bread and wine as if it were ordinary food and drink, for we have been taught that as Jesus Christ our Savior became a man of flesh and blood by the power of the Word of God, so also the food that our flesh and blood assimilates for its nourishment becomes the flesh and blood of the incarnate Jesus by the power of his own words contained in the prayer of thanksgiving. The apostles, in their recollections, which are called gospels, handed down to us what Jesus commanded them to do. They tell us that he took bread, gave thanks and said: Do this in memory of me. This is my body. In the same way he took the cup, he gave thanks and said: This is my blood. The Lord gave this command to them alone. Ever since then we have constantly reminded one another of these things. The rich among us help the poor and we are always united. For all that we receive we praise the Creator of the universe through his Son Jesus Christ and through the Holy Spirit. On Sunday we have a common assembly of all our members, whether they live in the city or the outlying districts. The recollections of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as there is time. When the reader has finished, the president of the assembly speaks to us; he urges everyone to imitate the examples of virtue we have heard in the readings. Then we all stand up together and pray. On the conclusion of our prayer, bread and wine and water are brought forward. The president offers prayers and gives thanks to the best of his ability, and the people give assent by saying, “Amen”. The eucharist is distributed, everyone present communicates, and the deacons take it to those who are absent. The wealthy, if they wish, may make a contribution, and they themselves decide the amount. The collection is placed in the custody of the president, who uses it to help the orphans and widows and all who for any reason are in distress, whether because they are sick, in prison, or away from home. In a word, he takes care of all who are in need. We hold our common assembly on Sunday because it is the first day of the week, the day on which God put darkness and chaos to flight and created the world, and because on that same day our savior Jesus Christ rose from the dead. For he was crucified on Friday and on Sunday he appeared to his apostles and disciples and taught them the things that we have passed on for your consideration. 😁😁"But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned" (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]). "[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death" (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]). Ignatius of Antioch Colossians 2:17-19: "Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-things which are a mere shadow of what is to come, but the substance belongs to Christ."

@Kitiwake 10 ай бұрын

Better named Babbleman.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

There is no mention of the word *day* in the Greek of the writings of the Didache and letter tot he Magnesians.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

"who accused Constantine and the pope of changing the Christian holy day from Saturday to Sunday" Before the change of law but Constantine, Sunday was never a *rest* day. Hence Sunday has no relation to the Ten Commandments. All the holy days of the Old Testament were rest days, the weekly seventh day Sabbath and the yearly festivals.

@bibleman8010 10 ай бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA go crawl back under your rock troll😒😒

@bibleman8010 10 ай бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA go crawl back under your rock troll

@urkosh 10 ай бұрын

Thank you for another great informative episode. Could you please cover the Eastern schism of 1054 and its development? In September 2023 the Ukrainian Orthodox and Ukrainian Catholics synchronously left behind the Julian calendar. Maybe there is hope for mutual recognition - permission for the Orthodox and Catholic parishioners to participate in the eucharist of the other denomination?

@bibleman8010 10 ай бұрын

The first protestants💖💖

@bearistotle2820 4 ай бұрын

@@bibleman8010 No. In fact, the patriarch of Constantinople slammed protestantism as nonsense.

@donhaddix3770 10 ай бұрын

Colossians 2:16 16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

Explain to me the drink part and how it relates to a Sabbath day.

@donhaddix3770 10 ай бұрын

@YajunYuanSDA @YajunYuanSDA it does not. 2 issues.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@@donhaddix3770 Okay explain to me the drink issue then, we need to know the context before we can give an interpretation.

@donhaddix3770 10 ай бұрын

@YajunYuanSDA Meat was usually boiled, but was also roasted as prescribed for the paschal lamb at Passover, or cooked in a stew. At no time could a kid be boiled in its mother’s milk (Exodus 23:19; 34:26; Deuteronomy 14:21). The regulation was later extended to include the prohibition against even eating meat and milk products together at the same meal.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@@donhaddix3770 So you think Paul was talking about specifically about that? And if the Sabbath commandment no longer applies, does that mean you believe there is no sunday obligation commandment given by God?

@BasilTU 10 ай бұрын

I've been waiting for the l this topic. You don't disappoint. Thank you

@williammcenaney1331 10 ай бұрын

Years ago, when an SDA discussed soul sleep with me, I quoted St. Justin Marty's First Apology to prove that thought disembodied human souls stayed awake. So the Adventist replied, "That doesn't matter. We have the Bible."

@joaodebarro6169 10 ай бұрын

The most interesting rabbit holes to go in is anti-catholic KZbin the comment section is also 10/10. Specially videos that are titled like "is Vatican Babylon" or "Babylonian origens of the Vatican" or "Vatican Sun-god Worship"

@rosiegirl2485 10 ай бұрын

I need to stop reading the comments! I had to re-start 4 or 5 times...and I know very little about this group, though I have heard that they are difficult to convert. Looking forward to this video and know that I can trust Joe for honesty.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

Yes being the most biblically based group they would be difficult to convert to Catholicism

@rosiegirl2485 10 ай бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA Close your eyes for just a minute...and say to yourself... Would I want to be in the most Holy, Catholic Church, started by our Lord Jesus Christ.... Or..... Do I want to join a church that didn't exist for the first 1600-1800 years of Christianity...started by a women who came up with a recovery vision, due to a failed prophecy... May God bless you as He leads you to the truth in His Church! ⚘️

@R.C.A.T 10 ай бұрын

@YajunYuanSDA its so funny that you say you're the most biblically based when the Bible is a Catholic book and SDA religion couldn't exist without the Catholic Church in the first place. The Catholic Church is Christ based founded by Jesus himself. You would rather follow a disturbed woman. Sad 😢

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@@R.C.A.T Bible = collection of books. Most of that collection is made up of Hebrew scriptures which was already compiled before the Catholic Church even existed. That your denomination and the Orthodox denomination preserved the writings that the 1st century Christians considered sacred is commendable, but my Bible would still exist without your denomination.

@R.C.A.T 10 ай бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA You're right, a collection of writings chosen by the Catholic Pope,Bishops to be included in the Canon (list) of inspired books.

@larrybedouin2921 17 күн бұрын

-- In 563 AD Columba (of Ireland) and twelve of his brethren set out to do missionary evangelism, settling in Iona, an island in the inner Hebrides, in Scotland. They founded the Abbey on Iona. They were Seventh-day Sabbath-keepers living in Scotland during the sixth century. This would continue until the eleventh century AD. -- “Professor Andrew Lang says of them [churches set up or inspired by St. Patrick]: ‘They worked on Sunday, but kept Saturday in a Sabbatical manner.’ -‘A History of Scotland from the Roman Occupation,’ Vol. I, p. 96. New York: Dodd, Mead, and Co., 1900. -- “Dr. A. Butler says of Columba: ‘Having continues his labors in Scotland thirty-four years, he clearly and openly foretold his death, and on Saturday, the ninth of June, said to his disciple Diermit: ‘This day is called the Sabbath, that is, the rest day, and such will it truly be to me; for it will put an end to my labors.’ -‘Butler’s Lives of the Saints,’ Vol. I, A.D. 597, art. ‘St. Columba,’ p. 762. New York: P. F. Collier. -- “In a footnote to Blair’s translation of the Catholic historian Bellesheim, we read: ‘We seem to see here an allusion to the custom, observed in the early monastic Church of Ireland, of keeping the day of rest on Saturday, or the Sabbath.’ 🫢-‘History of the Catholic Church in Scotland,’ Vol. I, p. 86. -- “Professor James C. Moffat, D.D., Professor of Church History at Princeton, says: “It seems to have been customary in the Celtic churches of early times, in Ireland as well as Scotland, to keep Saturday, the --Jewish-- Sabbath as a day of rest from labor. *They obeyed the fourth commandment literally upon the seventh day of the week* -‘The Church in Scotland,’ p. 140. Philadelphia: 1882. “But the Church of Rome could never allow the light of pure apostolic Christianity [in contrast to the “darkness of impure and corrupted apostolic Christianity,” the mother of which is the Romanized Papal Church headquartered in Rome!] to shine anywhere, for that would reveal her won religion to be apostasy. Pope Gregory I, in 596, sent the imperious monk Augustine, with forty other monks, to Britain. Dr. A Ebrard, says of this ‘mission’: ‘Gregory well knew that there existed in the British Isles, yea, in a part of the Roman dominion, a Christian church, and that his Roman messengers would come in contact with them. By sending these messengers, he was not only intent upon the conversion of the heathen, but from the very beginning he was also bent upon bringing this Irish-Scotch church, which had been hitherto been free from Rome, in subjection to the papal chair.’ -‘Bonifacius,’ p. 16. Guetersloh, 1882. (Quoted in Andrews’ ‘History of the Sabbath,’ fourth edition, revised and enlarged, p. 532).

@AmandaS18 10 ай бұрын

I’m a former SDA, my understanding of Sabbath rest was because the 4th Commandment says Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God

@wesleysimelane3423 10 ай бұрын

The sabbath was instituted in the beginning of creation, in Genesis, for all humanity. In the commandments, the Jews, God's chosen people were merely being reminded to keep it holy. The verses in Luke do not describe a change to Sunday, only due to circumstances, the brothers met on that day. Here is who truly changed the sabbath: “Is not every Christian obliged to sanctify Sunday and to abstain on that day from unnecessary servile work? Is not the observance of this law among the most prominent of our sacred duties? But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.” James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (1917 edition), p. 72-73 (16th Edition, p 111; 88th Edition, p. 89). “For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the [Roman Catholic] church outside the Bible.” Catholic Virginian, October 3, 1947, p. 9, article “To Tell You the Truth.” “Most Christians assume that Sunday is the biblically approved day of worship. The Catholic Church protests that it transferred Christian worship from the biblical Sabbath (Saturday) to Sunday, and that to try to argue that the change was made in the Bible is both dishonest and a denial of Catholic authority. If Protestantism wants to base its teachings only on the Bible, it should worship on Saturday.” Rome’s Challenge www.immaculateheart.com/maryonline Dec 2003. Who Made Sunday Holy? “Question: How prove you that the church had power to command feasts and holydays?” “Answer: By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of and therefore they fondly contradict themselves by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same church.” “Question: Have you any other way of proving that the church has power to institute festivals of precept?” “Answer: Had she not such power, she could not a done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; -she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day of the week, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.” Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism On the Obedience Due to the Church, 3rd edition, Chapter 2, p. 174 (Imprimatur, John Cardinal McCloskey, Archbishop of New York). “Question - Which is the Sabbath day?” “Answer - Saturday is the Sabbath day.” “Question - Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?” “Answer - We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957. “Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that worship should be changed from Saturday to Sunday...Now the Church...instituted, by God’s authority, Sunday as the day of worship. This same Church, by the same divine authority, taught the doctrine of Purgatory long before the Bible was made. We have, therefore, the same authority for Purgatory as we have for Sunday.” Martin J. Scott, Things Catholics Are Asked About, 1927 edition, p. 136. “Written by the finger of God on two tables of stone, this Divine code (ten commandments) was received from the Almighty by Moses amid the thunders of Mount Sinai...Christ resumed these Commandments in the double precept of charity--love of God and of the neighbour; He proclaimed them as binding under the New Law in Matthew 19 and in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5)...The (Catholic) Church, on the other hand, after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath, or seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third Commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord’s Day...He (God) claims one day out of the seven as a memorial to Himself, and this must be kept holy...” The Catholic Encyclopaedia, vol. 4, “The Ten Commandments”, 1908 edition by Robert Appleton Company; and 1999 Online edition by Kevin Knight, Imprimatur, John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York. “Question. What warrant have you for keeping Sunday preferably to the ancient sabbath which was Saturday? “Answer. We have for it the authority of the Catholic church and apostolic tradition.” “Question. Does the Scripture anywhere command the Sunday to be kept for the Sabbath?” “Answer. The Scripture commands us to hear the church (St.Matt.18:17; St. Luke 10:16), and to hold fast the traditions of the apostles. 2 Thess 2:15. But the Scripture does not in particular mention this change of the Sabbath.” “Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. ‘The day of the Lord’ was chosen, not from any direction noted in the Scriptures, but from the (Catholic) Church’s sense of its own power...People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.” St. Catherine Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995. “Is Saturday the seventh day according to the Bible and the Ten Commandments? I answer yes. Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the seventh day - Saturday - for Sunday, the first day? I answer yes. Did Christ change the day'? I answer no!” “Faithfully yours, J. Card. Gibbons.” James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, Md. (1877-1921), in a signed letter. “Question. - How prove you that the Church hath power to command feasts and holy days?” “Answer. - By the very act of changing Sabbath into Sunday which Protestants allow of; and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same Church.” “Question. - How prove you that?” “Answer. - Because by keeping Sunday, they acknowledge the Church’s power to ordain feasts, and to command them under sin: and by not keeping the rest by her commanded, they again deny, in fact, the same power.” An Abridgment of the Christian Doctrine, composed by Henry Tuberville, p. 58.” “Some theologians have held that God likewise directly determined the Sunday as the day of worship in the New Law, that He Himself has explicitly substituted the Sunday for the Sabbath. But this theory is now entirely abandoned. It is now commonly held that God simply gave His Church the power to set aside whatever day or days she would deem suitable as Holy Days. The (Roman Catholic) Church chose Sunday, the first day of the week, and in the course of time added other days as holy days.” John Laux, A Course in Religion for Catholic High Schools and Academies, 1936 edition, vol. 1, p. 51. “The Catholic church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday...The Protestant World at its birth found the Christian Sabbath too strongly entrenched to run counter to its existence; it was therefore placed under the necessity of acquiescing in the arrangement, thus implying the (Catholic) Church’s right to change the day, for over three hundred years. The Christian Sabbath is therefore to this day, the acknowledged offspring of the Catholic Church as spouse of the Holy Ghost, without a word of remonstrance from the Protestant World.” James Cardinal Gibbons in the Catholic Mirror, September 23, 1983.

@AmandaS18 10 ай бұрын

@@wesleysimelane3423 I’m a former SDA, I know all this

@wesleysimelane3423 10 ай бұрын

@@AmandaS18 So, if you don't mind me asking, what made you leave? I hardly see anything taught against scripture in the SDA. Granted EGW leaves a bad taste in my mouth too and a few false prophecies, which shouldn't have been done in the first place. I am not bound by them .I believe what the the bible says and take in the truth only & discard the nonsense, but ALL churches have their false predictions and false teachings. ALL! The rcc is the furthest from the truth amongst all. IT IS IN Daniel and Revelation afterall. But I am just asking, what teachings made you leave the rcc?

@sami5to6 10 ай бұрын

This is GOLD!!! Thank you!!!

@canibezeroun1988 10 ай бұрын

There's so much you can't in our tradition when you reply on the Bible alone

@TitusFlavius11 10 ай бұрын

@tony I need you here my man!

@larrybedouin2921 17 күн бұрын

For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. {Hebrews 9:16-17} And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and 👉rested the sabbath day according to the commandment. {Luke 23:56} ^ The new Covenant (testament) had already been sprinkled with the blood of Christ.

@MrPeach1 10 ай бұрын

I saw where Jimmy Akin was interacting with Dr Ben Carson I wonder if he watches aruff like this.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

When?

@MrPeach1 10 ай бұрын

my parents go to mass on Saturday night. I had no idea they believed this stuff. Thanksgiving is going to be interesting this year.

@NevetsWC1134 10 ай бұрын

Saturday night mass counts for Sunday obligation

@MrPeach1 10 ай бұрын

@@NevetsWC1134 Still may be SDA I will proceed with caution...

@erravi 10 ай бұрын

Saturday night mass is a vigil mass which is reckoned as Sunday. Mass is held every day anyway. Nothing to do with seventh-day beliefs

@MrPeach1 10 ай бұрын

@@erravi all the same I am still going to keep my eyes on them

@jendoe9436 10 ай бұрын

Went to Saturday Vigil masses growing up and know plenty of other Catholics who did the same. As long as mass starts after a certain time (4:30 pm I think? Most of the masses I went to were at 5:30 pm), it’s considered ‘Sunday’ due to sunset technically marking the end of the day. Saturday masses are just another mass time offered by parishes to provide an opportunity for people to meet the Sunday mass obligation. Honestly without Saturday, my family probably wouldn’t have gone as much because wrangling 3 kids on a non-school morning would have been a struggle 😅

@judgmentiscoming4690 9 ай бұрын

We are to keep the 7th day Sabbath. It was kept long after the cross and Paul taught others to keep it. He also warned that false teachers would come in among us and lead people away from the truth.which has happened. Also the great disappointment in 1844 was actually predicted in scripture. Although I wouldn't expect people to know that if they don't understand prophecy. People are so quick to pick on seventh day adventists and Ellen White..i suggest that you start studying your bible and ask the holy spirit to guide you into the truth.

@alphonsedende2599 3 ай бұрын

You prophetess lied to you the Bible did not lie but is fulfilled, you SDA REST ON A DAY AND WE CHRISTIAN REST IN JESUS.

@JohnBoyX570 10 ай бұрын

Waiting for 1st Timothy Tony to enter the Chat!

@jackdaw6359 10 ай бұрын

Or Yuan

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@@jackdaw6359 Hello

@jackdaw6359 10 ай бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA hey, I knew the one and only Yuan would show. I corrected your name.

@jackdaw6359 10 ай бұрын

@trollpatrol7215 understand that they do it because they misguidedly think they have the truth. A lot of it comes from complete misguidance, but I agree they should show more charity.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@@jackdaw6359 Thanks

@tonyl3762 10 ай бұрын

Seems like should have also quoted Col 2:16 to show Christians are not bound to keep the Sabbath.

@hglundahl 10 ай бұрын

0:01 Short answer: no. A bit more explicit. The three first commandments (or on some Jewish reckoning the 2, 3 and 4 words, the first word being the presentation of God's identity) all have an OT specific ritual application. 1 - also forbade graven images along idolatry 2 - also referred principally to the Tetragrammaton 3 - also specified the Sabbath as that of Creation week. Hankering back to 1b as "2nd commandment" is a common topic in more than one Puritanism. The two other ones are involved in two different revivalist sects 7 D A and J's W:s. Logically, all three would go together, and yet we do not find to this date any clear example of all three going together.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

Those are not ceremonial elements, each of those 3 examples are commandments still in effect.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

Catholics are unique in following Augustine's reckoning of the words as infallible.

@hglundahl 10 ай бұрын

We disagree,@@YajunYuanSDA. First of all, there are two, not just one reckoning which has "image ban" as no second commandment, but part of idolatry ban. Or even three. 1) St. Augustine's. 2) A Jewish one which makes the presentation of God a separate word. 3) Luther's, which divides 9 and 10 differently. But second, in order for Christianity to be true and also each of the three to be still in effect, one would need to find in each century or ideally even each fifty years some visible group of Christians who held to all three as still valid -- which we do not find.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@@hglundahl "in order for Christianity to be true and also each of the three to be still in effect" Not necessarily, I'm certain there were parts of Israel's history before the time of Christ where the 'entire' nation is described as falling into idolatry. Moral commands by definition would still be in effect regardless if none one is following them.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@@hglundahl Yes, Luther as an Augustinian monk essentially followed St. Augustine. The Eastern Orthodox refer to your 1b as "2nd commandment", it is nothing to do with Puritanism.

@larrybedouin2921 17 күн бұрын

-- "On the day of preperation, at the hour of dinner, there came out pursuers and horsemen" and Polycarp was killed "on *the great day of the Sabbath* at the eighth hour" (The encyclical epistle of the church at Smyrna, the Martyrdom of Polycarp, Bishop of Smyrna. Verses 7.1 & 8.1 Charles H. Hoole's 1885 translation.) -- "Again as to the assertion that Sabbath has been abolished. We deny that He has abolished it plainly; for He was Himself Lord of the Sabbath." (Archelaus c. 3rd century.) -- "Gnostic 8th day Origins" "They affirm that man was formed on the eighth day, for sometimes they will have him been made on the sixth day, and sometimes on the eighth, unless perchance they mean that the earthly part was formed on the sixth day, but his fleshly part on the eighth, for these two things are distinguished by them." (Irenaeus of Lyons c. 2nd century.) -- The Gnostic "Eight Day" origins of Sunday rest. "But the works of the Nicolaitans in that time were false and troublesome men, who, as ministers under the name of Nicholas, had made for themselves a hersey, to the effect that what might be offered to Idols might be exorcised and eaten, and whoever should have committed fornication might receive peace on the eighth day." (Victorinious of Pettau c. 3rd century.) -- "For almost all the churches throughout the world celebrate the mysteries on the Sabbath of every week, yet the Christians of *Alexandria and Rome* on account of some *ancient tradition* cease to do this." (Socrates Scholasticus c. 380 - 439 A.D.) 👉Ancient tradition ~ die solis -- "There are many here among us now, who fast on the same day as the Jews, [Rome made the Sabbath day a fast] and keep the Sabbaths in the same mannor." (John Chrysostom c. 339 - 407 A.D.) -- 'Primitive Christianity' Athanasius Bishop of Alexandria tells us that "They assemble on Saturday, not that they are infected with Judaism, but only to worship Christ the Lord of the Sabbath" (Pseudo Athanasius; William Cave c. 1676) -- "Thus Christ did not at all rescind the Sabbath, He kept the law thereof.....even in the case before us He fulfilled the law while interpreting its condition; moreover, He exhibits in a clear light the different kinds of work, while doing what the law excepts from the sacredness of the Sabbath and while imparting to the Sabbath itself, which from the beginning had been consecrated by the Benediction of the Father. An additional sanctity by His own Beneficent action. For He furnished to this day divine safeguards..... *a course which His adversary would have pursued for some other days, to avoid honouring the Creator's Sabbath* and restoring to the Sabbath the works which were proper for it." (3rd century Tertillian on the Sabbath.) *Council of Laodicea* canon 29 A.D. 363 "Christians must not Judaize by resting on the sabbath day, but must work on that day, rather honoring --the Lord's Day-- [Sun-day] and, if they can, resting as Christians. But if they they shall be found to be Judaizers, let them be an anathema from Christ." ^ Proof that true Christianity still remembered the sabbath day, to keep it Holy, even in the fourth century A.D.

@bernardauberson7218 Ай бұрын

Il y a une énorme différence de vocabulaire qui démolit le discours ! Sunday et domenica et dimanche, sunday vient de sun jour du Soleil, les langues latines domenica, dimanche est jour du Seigneur Dom, c’est Dieu !

@Vidmr2407 8 ай бұрын

Very compelling!!!

@geraldhill7547 5 ай бұрын

You can keep the Sabbath Commandment and go to church on Sunday as well. It's a twofer for Christ. Imagine if the Church didn't go along with Constantines Sun worship day of rest.

@TruthHasSpoken 10 ай бұрын

(reposting my comment below from another thread / video) First I'm learning about the SDA Church. I find the statements below on their Church website. As noted in the video, they refer to God as 3 beings then refer to them as 3 persons. This is confusing. Maybe someone can clarify :) *_Seventh-day Adventist Christians believe there is one God. And that this one God is three co-eternal beings who work together in unity . . . There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three coeternal Persons_* I have a number of questions following the statement below. Maybe someone can clarify :) *_Let us keep in mind that Jesus is the Son not in the sense of having been created, but because He partakes of the same divine nature as God the Father. Adventists embrace the belief that Jesus is the eternal Son of God, and is also fully God Himself and part of the Godhead._* What do these words mean for the SDA Church? - partakes - "Divine Nature" - "eternal" Do SDA believe there was ever a time where Jesus and the Holy Spirit did not exist? Maybe someone can clarify :) Would the SDA Church agree with this: What is God: the one Divine Being, the God revealed to Abraham, YHWH Who is God: three persons *_He was sent to earth to minister to us, live as our example, and ultimately bear the eternal punishment of our sins._* Adventists believe in penal substitution ?

@Qwerty-jy9mj 10 ай бұрын

They've gone back and forth on certain key doctrines so it's not straightforward to read Ellen Gould White to find out if they're arrians or not, depending on the year. The current popular position is that they're trinitarian, but if you check their websites and other more official stuff, there are some inconsistent statements in there

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

"they refer to God as 3 beings then refer to them as 3 persons" Because SDAs see no substantial difference between beings and persons, they are not using some abstract philosophical language here. (For SDAs, One God Three Persons and One God Three Beings are the *same* paradox that needs solving).

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

What do these words mean for the SDA Church? - partakes - "Divine Nature" - "eternal" In this context, partake = shares divine nature = "substance" eternal = no beginning or end "Do SDA believe there was ever a time where Jesus and the Holy Spirit did not exist?" Nope

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

"Adventists believe in penal substitution?" Depends on what you mean by the term, it says "He suffered and died voluntarily on the cross *for our sins and in our place"* if that answers your question.

@mikelopez8564 10 ай бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDAYajun, I’m impressed with your recent approach to discourse, truly. What you described is what Catholics call substitutionary atonement, and one Catholics can believe. Penal would mean God crushed, was at enmity with, Jesus who was sinless so He could pronounce us, the guilty, innocent. This is a view we are not permitted to take. Ransom theory is ok too.

@kaydeelethal 10 ай бұрын

PRESHADOW OF LORD’S DAY IN OLD TESTAMENT Nehemiah 8:18 Exodus 22.30 Leviticus 14:10 / 23 Leviticus 22.27 Leviticus 23.39 _____________________

@Kefa... 10 ай бұрын

Hey Ellen, how much do dreams channels make?

@johns1834 5 ай бұрын

True faith is the belief Jesus Christ set up his Church and passed His authority down through the Apostles, Bishops, and Priest of today. Anyone claiming there is a need to 'restore' this Church or re-interpret what Jesus's teaches simply lack faith in Jesus Christ.

@nathankarp5350 10 ай бұрын

Hey Joe great video but I have a few questions. I get the whole eighth day concept it supposedly goes back to ancient Jewish sages who predicted it and of course fulfilled in Christ and eight being the number of eternity etc. but doesn’t the eighth day from a Jewish perspective begin when the sun goes down on Saturday night. And since Jewish people have a ceremony called havdallah to close out the sabbath than in fact the early church if they where doing the same, would have gathered on the sabbath and after the havdallah ceremony it’s now the eighth day or the first day either or and can now also take up the offering since everyone is already together anyway. Also when Jesus rises on the first day of the week, would it not make more sense to rise on Saturday night since by then the sabbath is over snd it’s time to get back to work, meaning time to go out and advance the kingdom than why would Jesus continue to stay in the tomb long after the sabbath rest has ended. Another thought was the example you gave about Paul continuing to preach on the first day of the week until midnight. Why would Paul be preaching from Sunday morning until midnight. Would it not make more sense if it was let’s say maybe eight o’clock on a Saturday night after the sun went down to midnight Saturday. Which again would also be considered the first day of the week or eighth day. At least from a Jewish perspective in terms of when a day starts and ends. Thank you. Your insights would be appreciated. God bless.

@tafazzi-on-discord 10 ай бұрын

Catholic brothers is a channel of two historians that are doing a series on the first 500 years of the church, they track how the practice shifted from during the Saturday dinner (so by jewish reckoning already saturday) to after dinner to then Sunday morning. I do think your reading of Paul reading from 8 to midnight is more probable.

@paularnold3745 10 ай бұрын

Catholics also recognize the sun down to sun up concept, at least regarding Sunday and Holy Days of obligation. Saturday evening vigil mass still counts for Sunday obligation. Christmas Eve evening masses and Mid-Night Mass count for the Christmas obligation. There are often vigil masses for other Holy Days of obligation as well.

@nathankarp5350 10 ай бұрын

@@paularnold3745 very helpful reminder. Thank you!

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@@tafazzi-on-discord Catholic brothers are great they demonstrate that Polycarp kept the Seventh day Sabbath and they interpret the letter of Pliny to Trajan as referring to Saturday not Sunday.

@tafazzi-on-discord 10 ай бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA Referring to saturday EVENING, which by jewish reckoning is sunday.

@soteriology400 5 ай бұрын

Saturday being the sabbath never changed. In fact, Jesus told them on April 1, AD30 in the Olivet Discourse, pray their flight does not take place in the sabbath nor winter. Their prayer was answered 40 years later, their flight took place on Thursday afternoon, April 10, AD70. Roman Catholics are dead wrong about sabbath changing to a Sunday. Also, Jesus died on Wednesday, not Friday (He died before the day of the high sabbath, which was on a Thursday that week) and rose Saturday afternoon, after the ninth hour. The tomb the next morning was discovered empty, not His resurrection.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

Timestamp 17:35 Jesus said the abomination of desolation is future (and we known that earthly sanctuary no longer exists).

@borealopelta7284 10 ай бұрын

Sorry I’m confused I know Catholics are amillenial, Jesus says I am coming soon at the beginning of revelation. But he is writing to 7 churches that were in existence before the fall or Jerusalem. But those churches no longer exist. I thought the Catholic Church recognized that Jesus came in some sense at AD 70 ? Wouldn’t that be the soon Jesus was referring too?

@TruthHasSpoken 10 ай бұрын

"Wouldn’t that be the soon Jesus was referring too?" Right ... but a greater fulfillment will occur at the of time.

@catholicbiblemansaint9385 5 ай бұрын

Going to church on Saturday is not keeping the sabbath!

@Thiago_Lamin 9 ай бұрын

Please continue your videos on adventism, I really apreciate your views

@Kitiwake 10 ай бұрын

SDAs do not accept the new covenant of Jesus.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

We accept the new covenant of Jesus which is talked about in Jeremiah 31:31-34

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

Timestamp 0:30 Hopefully you appreciate my comments

@JosephHeschmeyer 10 ай бұрын

I do, thank you!

@arthurandteresabeem7142 10 ай бұрын

One thing I would like to add. Adventists do not simply believe that Saturday is the sabbath and Sunday is a false sabbath. They believe that God wants humans to worship Him ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY one day of the week. Most Catholic apologists do not quite understand this. Adventists believe that to worship ANY other day of the week is wrong--unless it's a prayer meeting or something like that--not a "worship" service. I wish that Catholic Apologists would address that. Tell Adventists CLEARLY that there is no such concept in Christian history as a correct day of worship--and other's are wrong days to worship on. While Catholics have worshipped on Sunday as a special celebration of Christ's resurrection, we do not see it as an EXCLUSIVE day of worship. We worship daily. Sunday isn't our "day" of worship. It is the Lord's day and other days of worship are just as valid to worship on. This isn't actually Sunday vs, Saturday, it's ONE day a week of worship vs. DAILY worship with a special obligation to attend on Sunday.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

Actually, it is one day a week of mandatory *corporate* worship. Daily worship is not corporate.

@arthurandteresabeem7142 10 ай бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA Catholics and Orthodox have daily corporate worship. I go to mass often during the week. Sunday is the only mandatory day.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@@arthurandteresabeem7142 Where do you find the explicit moral commandment of a mandatory Sunday in the deposit of faith?

@pawollatounenmoun 9 ай бұрын

Interesting point. Where do we see SDA’s making Saturday the EXCLUSIVE day of worship? Thanks.

@arthurandteresabeem7142 9 ай бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA Where in scripture is the explicit commandment not to worship on any day of the week? Is there an explicit commandment of worship in the 4th commandment? (Protestants have the commandments numbered differently than Catholics.) Where is the explicit text that says there will be a last day test about the DAY of worship? Where is there an explicit text in the Bible that says the day of REST is the one and exclusive day of WORSHIP for Christians?

@nick2658 10 ай бұрын

@johannaprice4880 10 ай бұрын

The lady leader of SDA mindset is a Prophetic woman, thinking what she say is the truth. Some people can read and discern, but some people are just followers. No matter what others think their mindset stick to own truth? And nothing but their truth. It's interesting that people just want to be a part of a group without deepening their Conscience of truth.😮

@grandsonofman 10 ай бұрын

(From the Catholic Mirror of Sept. 9, 1893) We now approach the investigation of this interesting question for the next thirty years, as narrated by the evangelist, St. Luke, in his Acts of the Apostles. Surely some vestige of the canceling act can be discovered in the practice of the apostles during that protracted period.

@bibleman8010 10 ай бұрын

1. That the Adventists do not keep the sabbath. Keeping the sabbath requires the following: (1) Doing no work. (Ex. 20:9-10) (2) No baking or boiling. (Ex. 16:23) (3) Bearing no burden. (Jer. 17:21-22) (4) Offering two lambs. (Num. 28:9-10) If they argue that these things were abolished because they are not in the ten commandments, why then do they refuse to eat pork? There is no prohibition against eating pork in the ten commandments. The doctrine of abstaining from meat today is of the devil. (1 Tim. 4:1-4) 2. That the Seventh-day Adventist Church denomination is not in the Bible. 3. That they are "deceitful workers." (2 Cor. 11:13) They conceal their identity as long as possible in their personal work, and their broadcasts and public services are presented under titles that do not reveal their true identity. 4. That Adventists assume the major premise in nearly all that they teach. With love for their souls, I cry out, "Come out from this error!" Study the Scriptures -- prove all things! knowing that the sabbath is nowhere commanded under the new covenant, must resort to the old. But this does them no good, affirming it is binding on Christians under the new covenant, unless they can prove that the old law is the new law or part thereof. This they make a feeble attempt to do. However, all that is necessary to refute his assumption is to prove that the old law is done away. If the old law is done away it is impossible for the affirmative to make it the authority in the new. This I intend to do at this time, and at the same time showing its location historically in the scheme of redemption. In contending for the observance of the sabbath day of Exodus 20, Adventists overlook the significance of history which is summarized by the apostle Paul in Galatians three. Four hundred and thirty years before the law was given at Mount Sinai, God made the promise to Abraham, "In thee shall all nations be blessed . . . He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ." (Gal. 3:8, 16) At Sinai God made a covenant with the children of Israel, even the law. It was in this law that the sabbath was given or made known: "Thou camest down also upon Mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments: and madest known unto them thy holy sabbath . . . by the hand of Moses thy servant." (Deut. 9:13-14) But this law "cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; . . . But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." (Gal. 3:17-25) 1. Why do NO Christians keep the Sabbath in the New Testament? 2. Why does Paul THREE times tell us that we need not keep the Sabbath? 3. Why does Hebrews tell us that the day we keep is "ANOTHER" day? 4. Why does the Bible tell us that the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant made with Israel? and then why does the Bible tell us that this covenant does not apply to Christians? 5. Why are there NO commands for Christians to keep the Sabbath in the entire Bible? 6. Why does Adventism teach that Adam kept the Sabbath, when the Bible teaches that no-one before the time of Moses knew about the Sabbath? 7. Why does the Bible say that the Sabbath is a sign for Israel, and never applies it to mankind as a whole? 8. Why does Adventism gather weekly on Saturday, when in the New Testament and in the first, second, and third centuries, Christians gathered on Sunday? Luke 11:41 "But give that which is within as charity, and then all things are clean for you. Acts 10:15 Again a voice came to him a second time, "What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy." Acts 11:9 "But a voice from heaven answered a second time, 'What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.' Romans 14:1 Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions. Colossians 2:16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-- (NASB ©1995) Mark 7:19 because it goeth not into his heart, but into his belly, and goeth out into the draught? This he said , making all meats clean. John 5:18 (NIV) 18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God. Hosea 2:11 will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts. 758 years before the Birth of Christ. Isaiah 1:12-14King James Version (KJV) 12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them. It is ironic that Jesus and His disciples were harassed by the Pharisees over the Sabbath (John 5:18). Jesus spoke out against the Pharisee's merciless observance of the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; Luke 13:10-16). Jesus also defended Himself and His disciples on this issue by saying: "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath; so the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath." [Mark 2:27-28; RSV]. On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them... [Acts 20:7] It is interesting to note that St. Paul had spent a week with the community in Troas (Acts 20:6), and this is the only reported time that he celebrated the "breaking of bread" with them. Also no remarks are made later in this passage that St. Paul disapproved of their worship on Sunday. One would expect St. Paul to object to this practice, if it were rooted in paganism. and claiming authority over it. The Lord said the Sabbaths would cease and that’s exactly what he meant.

@grandsonofman 10 ай бұрын

@@bibleman8010 Isaiah 1:27 Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness. From your roman understanding, what is Zion? I'm asking for a literal, prophetic and spiritual meaning both in past tense and present.

@grandsonofman 10 ай бұрын

@@bibleman8010 and then let's confirm what the covenant was between Abraham and GOD GENESIS 17:11 KJV And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. .... what is the covenant good sir? And how was circumcision a token of it?

@bibleman8010 10 ай бұрын

@@grandsonofman Judaizer

@grandsonofman 10 ай бұрын

@@bibleman8010 lol ... solid response 👌... 💯 original

@benjaminfalzon4622 5 ай бұрын

Joe! What does Hebrews 4:9 say?

@ultimouomo11 10 ай бұрын

Just waiting for “Julian” to call in. 😅

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

What?

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

Timestamp 46:12 A doctrinal catechism by Rev. Stephen Keenan (with Imprimatur): Q. Does not St. Paul order the Galatians and Corinthians to make collections on the first day of the week? A. Yes; but, again, this does not abolish the observance of Saturday. St. Paul does not say that the people would be at church on that day,-that they were to keep that day, to the exclusion of Saturday, holy,-or that these collections were to be made at church, but merely that every man should lay up by himself in store upon that day.

@johnsix.51-69 10 ай бұрын

"Our pioneers clearly held Arian or semi-Arian views in regard to the person of Christ. They understood “firstborn over all creation” (Col 1:15) and “only begotten Son” (John 3:16) in a literal sense. The Father, therefore, was first and superior, and the Son, who had a beginning sometime in eternity, was subordinate to the Father. A corollary of this view was the belief that the Holy Spirit is an influence or the power of God, but not a person." (Gerhard Pfandl, Biblical Research Institute, The Doctrine of the Trinity Among Seventh-day Adventists; Journal of the Adventist Theological Society, 17/1 (Spring 2006): 160-179)

@TruthHasSpoken 10 ай бұрын

Not just their pioneers. SDA are still arguing, and their language is still unclear, not precise and confusing. Example from their website ... _Seventh-day Adventist Christians believe there is one God. And that this one God is _*_three co-eternal beings_*_ who work together in unity. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit have always been, and always will be._

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@@TruthHasSpoken For SDAs there is no substantial difference between beings and persons. We are not using abstract philosophical language. For us, the One God Three Beings and One God Three Persons is the same paradox.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

What is the problem with that? We were able to resolve the problem using sola scriptura. We are proof a denomination can come to believe in the Trinity while rejecting the authority of Nicea.

@TruthHasSpoken 10 ай бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA thank you. Do you have any references to official SDA teachings on the questions asked?

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@@TruthHasSpoken Welcome, I am an lifelong SDA and have gathered some of my answers from mainstream SDA sources but its difficult to post links on KZbin. The only official SDA teachings are the 28 fundamental statements (the paragraphs inside the grey boxes on the website).

@larrybedouin2921 17 күн бұрын

'Catholic Record' September 1 1923 "Sunday is our voice [MARK] of authority....The church is above the bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact." ☝️ Blasphemy! Protestants who claim to keep Sunday holy are wondering after the beast and your claim of sola scriptura is made in vain. And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, *and think to change times and laws* and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. {Daniel 7:25}

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

Timestamp 24:16 As a non-Catholic, I don't read that as being "more holier", I read it as one of the commandments needing to be "highlighted" to emphasize it as being the only one not being kept by most Christians.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

Timestamp 24:29 The Sabbath commandment is about *worship* of God. It explains why you should worship Him, because He is our Creator.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

Timestamp 24:38 SDAs do not believe the Ten Commandments are written in order of importance, do Catholics?

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

Timestamp 25:39 Any official SDA source that explicitly says this?

@eucharistenjoyer 6 ай бұрын

Are they right about anything? Sadly here in Brazil we have some prominent SDA figures who, while bringing their form of Christianity to the public eye, which may have some fruits when compared to the degeneracy believed by most Brazilians, they also bring their anti-Catholicism with them.

@user-sm3qh5xq1y Ай бұрын

ADVENTISTS NEED TO STOP THE HATE SPEECH AGAINST CHRISTIANITY!

@benjaminfalzon4622 9 ай бұрын

Saturday is the day that God blessed, not Sunday. Gen 2:3. Sunday is a pagan day dedicated by the pagans to worship the Sun. That's why it's called Sun-day. It was the heathen, Constantine who swapped the day that God blessed for Sunday The people of God still keep Saturday, and all the pagans keep Sunday.

@carlosux 10 ай бұрын

im addicted to your videos. thank goodness youre Catholic

@juligraham7319 3 ай бұрын

Just stick with the Word of God. The Bible says the sabbath is the 7th Day. Ex 20:8-12. Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments John 14:15.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

Timestamp 47:00 A doctrinal catechism by Rev. Stephen Keenan (with Imprimatur): Q. Is it not said in the Acts-"And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow," and is not this ancient scriptural authority for the observance of the first day of the week? A. But does this text abrogate the observance of Saturday the seventh day, or allow Protestants to do profane work on that day? Certainly not. They should then rest upon both days, if they hold the above text as any argument. The text in question does not say that the Apostle preached, or that the people assembled every first day of the week, but merely on this particular day, for which a good reason is given, namely, that St. Paul was to depart next day. It is quite clear, however, that they met every Saturday; for the same Acts say, St. Paul preached in the Synagogue every Sabbath, and exhorted the Jews and the Greeks. Besides, it is not wonderful that the disciples came together on this first day of the week, since, according to Acts ii, they continued DAILY in the Temple breaking bread.

@TruthHasSpoken 10 ай бұрын

"they continued DAILY in the Temple breaking bread." No Yajun. Always best to quote the scripture verse. Scripture does NOT say what you said above. _46 And day by day, attending the temple together AND breaking bread in their homes_ Where according to scripture did they break bread: A. In the temple B. In homes

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@@TruthHasSpoken I just copy and pasted that paragraph from a Catholic Catechism with imprimatur. I have no problem with you claiming they broke bread in their home. Thankyou for correcting the book with a more accurate scripture quotation.

@TruthHasSpoken 10 ай бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA " I just copy and pasted that paragraph from a Catholic Catechism with imprimatur." Which Catholic Catechism said that they broke bread in the temple ?? I would like to know the source so that I can read it. "with imprimatur." This is usually very good, a reliable indicator that the teaching is 100% Catholic but errors can occur with man's proof reading. The mark itself does not designate that a document is an infallible teaching.

@JosephHeschmeyer 10 ай бұрын

YajunYuan, finding a book with an imprimatur and treating it as if it’s an official publication of the Catholic Church is a mistake. (I say this as someone who has authored multiple books with imprimaturs). Fr. Stephen Keenan is an Irish priest from the 19th century. The fact that he said something doesn’t automatically make it true or official Catholic teaching, any more than your comments are the teaching of the Seventh-day Adventist church. If you want to accurately cite what the Catholic Church believes about something like the Sabbath, Pope St. John Paul II wrote on the subject in Dies Domini (www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/apost_letters/1998/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_05071998_dies-domini.html). But in any case, the point isn’t what this or that Catholic said or believed, or even whether the Catholic Church is right on this question. The question is whether Ellen G White is telling the truth about the history of the Sabbath, and history shows quite clearly that the answer there is “no.”

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@@TruthHasSpoken "Which Catholic Catechism said that they broke bread in the temple ?? I would like to know the source so that I can read it." A Doctrinal Catechism by Rev. Stephen Keenan (1899). (It is a traditional Catholic Catechism)

@grandsonofman 10 ай бұрын

But alas! We are once more doomed to disappointment. Nine times do we find the Sabbath referred to in the Acts, but it is the Saturday (the Old Sabbath). Should our readers desire the proof, we refer them to chapter and verse in each instance. Acts 13:14, 27, 42, 44. Once more, Acts 15: 21; again, Acts 16: 13; 17:2; 18:4. "And he (Paul) reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks." Thus the Sabbath (Saturday) from Genesis to Revelation!!! Thus, it is impossible to find in the New Testament the slightest interference by the Saviour or His apostles with the original Sabbath, but on the contrary, an entire acquiescence in the original arrangement; nay, a plenary endorsement by Him, whilst living: and an unvaried, active participation in the keeping of that day and no other by the apostles for thirty years after His death, as the Acts of the Apostles has abundantly testified to us

@TruthHasSpoken 10 ай бұрын

"he (Paul) reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath' Right. He was evangelizing, and doing so when the Jews gathered. But the Christians gathered to worship Jesus Christ on Sunday.

@astutik8909 10 ай бұрын

@@TruthHasSpoken Jews and gentiles. Constantine changed the sabbath to SUNday AD 321. Council of ni ea endorsed this change AD 325.

@grandsonofman 10 ай бұрын

@@TruthHasSpoken 112 AD Pliney the Younger writes to emperor Trajan (I implore you to read this letter) Here is but a snippet.... "But they declared that the sum of their guilt or their error only amounted to this, that on a stated day they had been accustomed to meet before daybreak and to recite a hymn among themselves to Christ, as though he were a god, and that so far from binding themselves by oath to commit any crime, their oath was to abstain from theft, robbery, adultery, and from breach of faith, and not to deny trust money placed in their keeping when called upon to deliver it. When this ceremony was concluded, it had been their custom to depart and meet again to take food, but it was of no special character and quite harmless, and they had ceased this practice after the edict in which, in accordance with your orders, I had forbidden all secret societies.”

@TruthHasSpoken 10 ай бұрын

@@grandsonofman Yep, the Christian were being persecuted by the Romans, so they did not meet in the open. Still, they were evangelizing. More : _I have adopted in the case of those Christians who have been brought before me. I ask them whether they are Christians; if they say yes, then I repeat the question a second and a third time, warning them of the penalties it entails, and if they still persist, I order them to be taken away to prison ... For the contagion of this superstition has spread not only through the free cities, but into the villages and the rural districts_

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@@TruthHasSpoken Yeah Paul was evangelizing on the day that Christians gathered to worship Jesus. "The next Sabbath nearly *all the city* assembled to hear the word of the Lord." (Act 13:44) "And Paul was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews *and Greeks."* (Acts 18:4)

@benjaminfalzon4622 7 ай бұрын

The end of the world is described in a prophecy by Jesus Christ in Matt 24. " Read the full chapter". Jesus himself said. "No one knows the time and the hour. not the Son nor the angels but the Father only".Matt 24:36, No date or year was given "Only the signs".Matt 24:3-8. And all of those signs are being fulfilled right now. So forget about the so-called third Secret. The end of the world is just a few push buttons away. As Jesus said in Matt 24:22. Unless those days were not cut short nobody would survive. And, If my memory serves me right, those false predictions were made by the Jehovah's Witnesses, not the Seventh-day Adventists.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

Timestamp 41:39 the Greek says Lord's *life* not Lord's day. There is no day in the Greek. Ignatius says don't be laying idly but live according to the Lord's life. It is clear if you look at the longer (interpolated) recension of the letter to the Magnesian, the Christians were still keeping the seventh day Sabbath at least until the 4th century.

@JosephHeschmeyer 10 ай бұрын

That's not really true. The interpolated version has: "Let us therefore no longer keep the Sabbath after the Jewish manner, and rejoice in days of idleness; for 'he that does not work, let him not eat.' For say the [holy] oracles, 'In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat thy bread." But let every one of you keep the Sabbath after a spiritual manner, rejoicing in meditation on the law, not in relaxation of the body, admiring the workmanship of God, and not eating things prepared the day before, nor using lukewarm drinks, and walking within a prescribed space, nor finding delight in dancing and plaudits which have no sense in them. And after the observance of the Sabbath, let every friend of Christ keep the Lord's Day as a festival, the resurrection-day, the queen and chief of all the days [of the week].'" So that is pretty clear that (1) we're NOT to keep the Sabbath rest from work (which the text condemns as idleness); (2) we ARE to keep Saturdays in a "spiritual" manner by rejoicing in meditation on the law; and (3) Sunday, the Lord's Day, is the Christian festival day, the "queen and chief" of all of the days of the week. How does any of that support the SDA view?

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

Timestamp 36:35 The Catholic Brothers (KZbin historians) believe Pliny was talking about Saturday not Sunday.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@patriceagulu8315 I only need to keep the *moral* commandments. The 613 mitvots are not all moral, but the Decalogue is entirely moral commands. How many of the 10 Commandments can you break?

@mechwa28 10 ай бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA What makes a commandment a "moral commandment"?

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@@mechwa28 A moral commandment must come from God, must be applicable to all His followers, must apply for the duration of human life on earth.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@patriceagulu8315 The first Christians got the gospel right. Peter and Paul kept the seventh day Sabbath. Show me where did they break it?

@mechwa28 10 ай бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA where is that written in the Bible?

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

Timestamp 44:58 you can only present *post* apostolic evidence that explicitly connects the Lord's day with Sunday. Anybody knows you cannot act retrospectively with certainty, you are making the conjecture it has the same meaning as it had a century later. Even non-SDA scholars who don't think the Lord's day is the Sabbath, do not think it is referring to Sunday but rather to an eschatological day.

@bibleman8010 10 ай бұрын

[pg. 352] Q. When Protestants do profane work upon Saturday, or the seventh day of the week, do they follow the Scripture as their only rule of faith,-do they find this permission clearly put down in the Sacred Volume? A. On the contrary, they have only the authority of tradition for this practice. In profaning Saturday, they violate one of God's commandments, which he has never clearly abrogated, "Remember thou keep holy the Sabbath day." Q. Is the observance of Sunday, as the day of rest, a matter clearly laid down in Scripture? A. It certainly is not; and yet all Protestants consider the observance of this particular day as essentially necessary to salvation. To say, we observe the Sunday, because Christ rose from the dead on that day, is to say we act without warrant of Scripture; and we might as well say, that we should rest on Thursday because Christ ascended to heaven on that day, and rested in reality from the work of redemption. 💋💋 Q. Is it not said, is the Book of Revelations, that St. John was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, that is, Sunday; and is not this Scriptural proof that Sunday is the day to be observed in the New Law? love your selective editing by the way very deceitful that's a trait of your SDA fanatic liars

@eew8060 10 ай бұрын

Are SDA right about Archangel Michael?

@Qwerty-jy9mj 10 ай бұрын

I keep getting this confused, Jehovah's witnesses are the ones that say that Jesus is actually St Michael, right? But I forget if that's a standard millerite view or specific to JW's

@tafazzi-on-discord 10 ай бұрын

have you left protestantism yet?

@eew8060 10 ай бұрын

@trollpatrol7215 They got Michael right too, I think

@eew8060 10 ай бұрын

@trollpatrol7215 ..partially right. JW's got it all the way right

@Qwerty-jy9mj 10 ай бұрын

@@eew8060 Ah, so Jesus is an angel? Would you consider yourself Christian?

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

Timestamp 49:12 "Have before your eyes the fear of God, and always remember the *ten* commandments of God - to love the one and only Lord God with all your strength; to give no heed to idols, or any other beings, as being lifeless gods, or irrational beings or dæmons. Consider the manifold workmanship of God, which received its beginning through Christ. *You shall observe the Sabbath,* on account of Him who ceased from His work of creation, but ceased not from His work of providence: *it is a rest* for meditation of the law, not for idleness of the hands. Reject every unlawful lust, everything destructive to men, and all anger. Honour your parents, as the authors of your being. Love your neighbour as yourself." (Apostolic Constitutions, book 2)

@JosephHeschmeyer 10 ай бұрын

It's strange that you should cite to Apostolic Constitutions Book II, because it teaches the opposite of what I would have expected an Adventist to defend. Book II also says: "XXIII. But let not your fasts be with the hypocrites; for they fast on the second and fifth days of the week. But do you either fast the entire five days, or on the fourth day of the week, and on the day of the Preparation, because on the fourth day the condemnation went out against the Lord, Judas then promising to betray Him for money; and you must fast on the day of the Preparation, because on that day the Lord suffered the death of the cross under Pontius Pilate. But keep the Sabbath, and the Lord's day festival; because the former is the memorial of the creation, and the latter of the resurrection. But there is one only Sabbath to be observed by you in the whole year, which is that of our Lord's burial, on which men ought to keep a fast, but not a festival. For inasmuch as the Creator was then under the earth, the sorrow for Him is more forcible than the joy for the creation; for the Creator is more honourable by nature and dignity than His own creatures." And "Be not careless of yourselves, neither deprive your Saviour of His own members, neither divide His body nor disperse His members, neither prefer the occasions of this life to the word of God; but assemble yourselves together every day, morning and evening, singing psalms and praying in the Lord's house: in the morning saying the sixty-second Psalm, and in the evening the hundred and fortieth, but principally on the Sabbath day. And on the day of our Lord's resurrection, which is the Lord's day, meet more diligently, sending praise to God that made the universe by Jesus, and sent Him to us, and condescended to let Him suffer, and raised Him from the dead." This makes it quite clear that while there were some Saturday fasts, there *wasn't* weekly observance of Saturday as the Sabbath in the way that Jews do (with the exception of Holy Saturday, the day before Easter Sunday), and that Sunday is the heart of Christian worship. To take part of Book II out of context gives the wrong impression, but if you read what the full context says, it's clear that the Day of the Lord is Sunday, and that this "festival" day is because of the resurrection.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

It is quite clear there was weekly observance of *both* days until at least 380AD, after which the Roman Catholic Church transferred everything to Sunday. "Let your judicatures be held on the second day of the *week,* that if any controversy arise about your sentence, having *an interval till the* Sabbath, you may be able to set the controversy right, and to reduce those to peace who have the contests one with another against the Lord's day." (Book 2, para 47) "In the morning saying the sixty-second Psalm, and in the evening the hundred and fortieth, but *principally* on the Sabbath day." (Book 2, para 59) "Every Sabbath day excepting one, and every Lord's day, hold your solemn assemblies, and rejoice" (Book 5, para 20) Of course Christians are not supposed to observe the Sabbath the way the Jews do. Because Christians reject the Jewish *oral* law. Of course by the start of the fourth century, Sunday had the title Lord's day. The first record we have of Sunday being called that term is the middle of the second century. Yes the Lord's day is a *ceremonial* festival, that has no connection to the moral ten commandments.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@@JosephHeschmeyer "Book II also says" Your quotation doesn't come from Book 2 it actually comes from Book 7! If you read the context it is saying: "But there is one only Sabbath to be observed by you in the whole year on which men ought to keep a fast, but not a festival, which is that of our Lord's burial." But keep the Sabbath [rest each Saturday], and the Lord's day festival; because the former is the memorial of the creation, and the latter of the resurrection. [Now here an exception is made] But there is one only Sabbath to be observed by you in the whole year, which is that of our Lord's burial [the sabbath before Easter], on which men ought to keep a fast, but not a festival [because all the other Saturdays of the year are festivals and not fast days].

@nigelmeta4551 8 күн бұрын

@YajunYuanSDA Sunday had the title of Lords as per Ignatius of Antioch in the 2nd century and the Didache in the first century. And no Ignatius was clear that they do not observe the Jews Sabbath but the lord's day.. if u say it was fully transferred in the ad380 then who did the transfer??

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

Timestamp 2:44 Her writings are what I would put in Catholic terms equivalent to Apostolic Letters and Encyclicals. They are not on the same level as the bible, but they are formally authoritative and the faithful cannot say they contain heresy.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

Timestamp 26:52 Do Catholics believe the formal writings of the Pope have inspiration by the Holy Spirit? or it just his own opinion?

@Qwerty-jy9mj 10 ай бұрын

But that makes no sense, Ellen Gould White would claim to have new public revelations in these writings. Encyclicals are written _about_ the deposit of Faith, not to replace it.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@@Qwerty-jy9mj She never claimed to have new public revelations. She claimed to have private revelations _about_ the deposit of Faith, not to replace it.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@@Qwerty-jy9mj Find me a quotation of Ellen Gould White where she claims she has new public revelation to replace or add to the Bible.

@Qwerty-jy9mj 10 ай бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA That's the definition of a new public revelation. You're in a _restorationist_ cult, there can't be a restoration while keeping continuity with the intact, deposit of Faith.

@benjaminfalzon4622 7 ай бұрын

God blessed and Sanctified the last day of the week. "SATURDAY" Gen 2:2. "NIV" Not the first day of the week which is the Pagan day Sunday.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

Timestamp 38:33 Justin Martyr never refers to it as the Lord's day, he uses the term Helios day.

@JosephHeschmeyer 10 ай бұрын

The point is, he makes it clear that Sunday is the Christian day of worship. He treats this as utterly uncontroversial in both c. 150 (in response to Trypho) and 160 (in the First Apology). The SDA position requires that we read all of the early references to the Lord's Day as (a) not actually meaning what everyone has always understood them to mean, and (b) contrary to all of the other evidence that points to Christians having always worshipped on Sunday rather than Saturday. You have to take implausible interpretations of Revelation AND Ignatius AND the Didache AND Justin Martyr, etc. Is it really plausible that all of the non-SDA scholars (including secular oens, with no dog in the fight) have misunderstood ALL of these texts?

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

Timestamp 38:36 Clement continues: "But the seventh day is recognised as *sacred,* not by the Hebrews only, but also *by the Greeks;* according to which the whole world of all animals and plants revolve. Hesiod says of it:- The first, and fourth, and seventh day were held sacred. And again:- And on the seventh the sun's resplendent orb. And Homer: - And on the seventh then came the sacred day. And:- The seventh was sacred. And again:- It was the seventh day, and all things were accomplished. And again:- And on the seventh morn we leave the stream of Acheron. Callimachus the poet also writes:- It was the seventh morn, and they had all things done. And again:- Among good days is the seventh day, and the seventh race. And:- The seventh is among the prime, and the seventh is perfect. And:- Now all the seven were made in starry heaven, In circles shining as the years appear. The Elegies of Solon, too, intensely deify the seventh day.

@JosephHeschmeyer 10 ай бұрын

The irony here is that Ellen Gould White condemns Sunday worship because she claims it's a pagan practice, and you're now defending Saturday worship by claiming that it's a pagan practice.

@benjaminfalzon4622 10 ай бұрын

Catholics should not be concerned about the Sabbath because Catholics are not God's people. But."There remains a sabbath rest for the people of God". Hebrews 4:9 "KJV"

@bibleman8010 10 ай бұрын

1. That the Adventists do not keep the sabbath. Keeping the sabbath requires the following: 😎😎 (1) Doing no work. (Ex. 20:9-10) (2) No baking or boiling. (Ex. 16:23) (3) Bearing no burden. (Jer. 17:21-22) (4) Offering two lambs. (Num. 28:9-10) If they argue that these things were abolished because they are not in the ten commandments, why then do they refuse to eat pork? There is no prohibition against eating pork in the ten commandments. The doctrine of abstaining from meat today is of the devil. (1 Tim. 4:1-4) 2. That the Seventh-day Adventist Church denomination is not in the Bible. 3. That they are "deceitful workers." (2 Cor. 11:13) They conceal their identity as long as possible in their personal work, and their broadcasts and public services are presented under titles that do not reveal their true identity. 4. That Adventists assume the major premise in nearly all that they teach. With love for their souls, I cry out, "Come out from this error!" Study the Scriptures -- prove all things! knowing that the sabbath is nowhere commanded under the new covenant, must resort to the old. But this does them no good, affirming it is binding on Christians under the new covenant, unless they can prove that the old law is the new law or part thereof. This they make a feeble attempt to do. However, all that is necessary to refute his assumption is to prove that the old law is done away. If the old law is done away it is impossible for the affirmative to make it the authority in the new. This I intend to do at this time, and at the same time showing its location historically in the scheme of redemption. In contending for the observance of the sabbath day of Exodus 20, Adventists overlook the significance of history which is summarized by the apostle Paul in Galatians three. Four hundred and thirty years before the law was given at Mount Sinai, God made the promise to Abraham, "In thee shall all nations be blessed . . . He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ." (Gal. 3:8, 16) At Sinai God made a covenant with the children of Israel, even the law. It was in this law that the sabbath was given or made known: "Thou camest down also upon Mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments: and madest known unto them thy holy sabbath . . . by the hand of Moses thy servant." (Deut. 9:13-14) But this law "cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; . . . But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." (Gal. 3:17-25) 1. Why do NO Christians keep the Sabbath in the New Testament? 2. Why does Paul THREE times tell us that we need not keep the Sabbath? 3. Why does Hebrews tell us that the day we keep is "ANOTHER" day? 4. Why does the Bible tell us that the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant made with Israel? and then why does the Bible tell us that this covenant does not apply to Christians? 5. Why are there NO commands for Christians to keep the Sabbath in the entire Bible? 6. Why does Adventism teach that Adam kept the Sabbath, when the Bible teaches that no-one before the time of Moses knew about the Sabbath? 7. Why does the Bible say that the Sabbath is a sign for Israel, and never applies it to mankind as a whole? 8. Why does Adventism gather weekly on Saturday, when in the New Testament and in the first, second, and third centuries, Christians gathered on Sunday? Luke 11:41 "But give that which is within as charity, and then all things are clean for you. Acts 10:15 Again a voice came to him a second time, "What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy." Acts 11:9 "But a voice from heaven answered a second time, 'What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.' Romans 14:1 Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions. Colossians 2:16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-- (NASB ©1995) Mark 7:19 because it goeth not into his heart, but into his belly, and goeth out into the draught? This he said , making all meats clean. John 5:18 (NIV) 18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God. Hosea 2:11 will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts. 758 years before the Birth of Christ. Isaiah 1:12-14King James Version (KJV) 12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them. It is ironic that Jesus and His disciples were harassed by the Pharisees over the Sabbath (John 5:18). Jesus spoke out against the Pharisee's merciless observance of the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; Luke 13:10-16). Jesus also defended Himself and His disciples on this issue by saying: "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath; so the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath." [Mark 2:27-28; RSV]. On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them... [Acts 20:7] It is interesting to note that St. Paul had spent a week with the community in Troas (Acts 20:6), and this is the only reported time that he celebrated the "breaking of bread" with them. Also no remarks are made later in this passage that St. Paul disapproved of their worship on Sunday. One would expect St. Paul to object to this practice, if it were rooted in paganism. and claiming authority over it. The Lord said the Sabbaths would cease and that’s exactly what he meant.

@vinceschenden7349 9 ай бұрын

A couple of months ago, I suggested to U to get your info about The Church FROM THE CHURCH!! It does not appear U have taken steps to do this! Once again, I highly suggest that U get yourself a Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) to enlighten yourself as to exactly what The Church teaches. I recommended several authors who overcame their disdain of The Church to accept the Truth that fully only resides in Her. If I had to name just one, I'd suggest "Born Fundamentalis, Born Again Catholic" by David Currie. PLEASE, open your heart and mind to the only Church founded by Christ!

@andreeattieh2963 9 ай бұрын

The Catholic church made the Bible

@benjaminfalzon4622 9 ай бұрын

@@andreeattieh2963 The catholic church doesn't even know what the Bible looks like.

@andreeattieh2963 9 ай бұрын

@@benjaminfalzon4622 we Catholics do we read the Bible every day The Bible makes me more Catholic the more I study it

@itzcaseykc 10 ай бұрын

Part 1 I am going to split my comments up into two segments so the readers are not overwhelmed with so much I have to mention. First off, your biased ideas is blatantly obvious, my friend. You take a lot of liberty when reading the Bible and posit your confirmed biases to replace what scripture is really saying, just to fit the scenarios you are discussing. When Jesus talked about His return as being quickly, it was because for Him it will be. Differences in time between heaven and earth are not how you inferred when you said a day for the Lord is like a thousand years. That is just a manner of speaking to say that time has no effect on God since He/They created time and is outside of its influence. Too many people misuse that verse all too often because they don't understand what scripture has to say. That verse should never be applied to prophetic time measurements. Whenever prophecy *IS* discussed (as in regarding the Messiah) we are told that 1 day = 1 year, just as it says in Num. 14:1-38 & Eze. 4:4-8. We see that in Rev. 8:1 there was silence in heaven for half an hour. Some are saying that's because Jesus then leaves heaven with His entourage of angels to come to earth for the saints, which equals to about 1 earth week if calculations are correct. For us on earth, time has passed since Jesus ascended to God the Father in heaven. Even before they went to the Mount of Olives, He told the disciples to be watchful of the signs that will come about before He returns, so that htey would not be taken by surprise or deceived by false teachers. They're like our road signs telling us what town, city, street, etc is coming up next. We see prophecy being fulfilled before our very eyes, pointing to His inevitable return. Wickedness is abounding just as the antediluvians were before the Flood swept them all away that refused to go into the ark. Disasters are occurring all around us, as if the earth itself is screaming at us to wake up and get right with God before humanity's probation closes and Jesus appears in the clouds above. Jesus even said that as time approaches His coming, it will be like labor pains; it signals the birth, but it is not yet time for it. The only law that was nailed to the cross Jesus died upon was the ceremonial and civil laws that were against us. The moral Law will never change or be wiped out. IF that was the case, then everyone can make any day as being sacred; they can steal, lie, commit adultery, murder as they desire, and continue to covet what others have. Most people accept nine of the ten commandments as being good and proper to live by, but the moment the Sabbath is mentioned, they go berserk, why, because it declares who created this world and everything else in the cast Cosmos; it declares God's ownership of everything; and finally it tells what day is His day that was established before there ever was a nation to be holy & sacred. It is also a sign for those who claim to follow God as a test of allegiance to Him. One day soon, that will be a test of true loyalty to God; whether we obey the dictates of the Catholic Church or the word of God. The Catholics remove the command against making images for worship, which they bump the fourth to be the third and then splits the tenth so there remains ten commandments in total. Their version of the ten commandments is seen in their catechism. The removed commandment allows the worship and veneration of idols that supposedly represent the apostles but in all reality are images of pagan deities renamed as a Christian character, just as they repackaged pagan traditions in a way to be acceptable to the Christians of their early day and even for our generation. Then they had several people create a few new translation that corrupts the word of God and puts emphasis on their demonic works as being more accurate when they are not. Many verses were rewritten to mean something entirely different than what the KJV says, and even removes certain verses that contradict the church's teachings that the authors associate with. The Authorized Version is based on legitimate documents, unlike what the codex vaticanus and codex sinaiticus has to offer which contradicts each other when IF they were accurate would agree instead. All in all, the AV is more sure than all the other translations out there combined. Part 2 coming.

@itzcaseykc 10 ай бұрын

Part 2 You said several times that the Sabbath is a Jewish thing, but where were they when Creation Week came to a close and the Sabbath was instituted by our Creator Jesus Christ when there was just Adam & Eve to enjoy it, then to teach their offspring about? We're told that the worlds, including ours, were made by Jesus, not the Father [John 1:1-4; Heb. 1:2; Col. 1:16]. As our Creator, Jesus is Lord of the seventh-day Sabbath and that it was His gift to mankind whereby we can come to meet Him in sacred communion, unlike our regular meeting with HIm throughout the week. The first day of the week is nothing but the beginning of the weekly cycle in which we are to begin doing our daily tasks then ending on Friday, before sunset, as we prepare for the Sabbath's sacred time that is to come. Scripture tells us that God does not change, nor lie, [Psalm 55:19; 102:27; Malachi 3:6; John 6:27; Hebrews 13:8; James 1:17; 1 Peter 1:23] so Jesus would never have told the disciples to begin honoring Sunday, the first day, instead of His holy sanctified day. The Sabbath is a sign that God sanctifies we who follow and obey His Ten Commandments and that it is a perpetual holy day [Exodus 31:16; Ezekiel 20:1-12] We see that in these verses, especially the last one, the Sabbath is for all to honor, not just the Hebrews/Jews. They were to be beacons of light to the surrounding nations, but they rebeled many times and were polluted by said nations, so God allowed Nebuchadnezzar to take them into captivity to basically teach them a lesson. All faithful followers of God's Law are spiritual Jews, as in... Israel's descendants [1 Thessalonians 5:23-24]. When Jesus died on the cross at Calvary/Golgotha, He didn't nail the Ten Commandments or the Sabbath to the cross, but the laws that Moses wrote down on parchment. It was that set of laws, i.e. civil laws that were against us, because of sin. God's royal law existed before sin entered the world, including the Sabbath. The laws Moses wrote down were placed in "pockets" on the outside of the Ark of the Covenant, not in it, as the Tables of stone, Aaron's rod, and the bowl of manna had been. The tables of stone were to symbolize its eternal aspect, while the laws Moses wrote down were only to last until the Messiah was to come and fulfill the law that required Him to be the propitiation for sin and the salvation of mankind. This was enacted via the sanctuary service. Jesus did not do away with His moral Ten Commandments. Sabbatizers i.e. the Christians and Jews, were being hunted down and persecuted, so the church in Rome decided that in order to survive the onslaught, they would create a new religious system, including having Sunday as their day of worship. So as time went on, Constantine decided to get in the good graces of the church leaders in Rome and legislated Sunday observance. He was the first to combine Pagan and Christian beliefs, traditions, and celebrations, in 321 AD. This did not affect farmers out in the countryside because someone had to grow and harvest the crops, and he even stated that there was no better day to do that than on the first day of the week among the other days. After it was legalized, it allowed believers of all faiths to stop being persecuted, however, in some references it's been said that around 325 AD he outlawed Sabbath keeping within the Roman Empire and that he became both ruler of the state and head of the church, thus making him a Pope, but when Constantine moved his capital to Constantinople in 330 AD, the Pope inherited ecclesiatical power, prestige, and even various titles that the Roman emperors had. Priests of the Catholic Church boasts that the church supposedly has the power to supersede God's Law by placing Tradition above scripture, whenever they so chose which is often. They even claim that whoever honors Sunday as being the Lord's Day is giving allegiance and power to them, not to God or the Bible, since Sunday sacredness is solely *her* teaching and no one else's. Priests who are questions about which day is the Sabbath will admit it falls on Saturday and that whoever wants to honor that day should become a Seventh Day Adventist, because they are the only real Protestant who opposes their power and who honors God's Sabbath day. They blatantly declare there is *NO* scriptural proof that Sabbath sacredness was ever transferred to Sunday; that "the change" was their work and is "their mark" of power. God's mark, or seal, is His Sabbath day. Faithful followers of God will always seek to honor His Laws and seek to know what is truth over falsehood; biblical teaching vs traditional beliefs/teachings. Some apostate Christians believed that Jesus’ resurrection on Sunday was a good reason to apply it as being the Lord’s Day. The problem is, all during the time of Jesus and the apostles knew that the Sabbath was the Lord's Day. When John wrote in Rev. 1:9-11 about being in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, it was when Jesus came to him in a vision to write to the churches... on the Sabbath. He was not worshiping with others since he was imprisoned on the Isle of Patmos. He knew what the phrase meant, unlike many today who think it means Sunday, all without having *any* scriptural reference to support their idea. If God wanted those who follow Him, there would be clear testimony of such occurring, but there is not. The verses used to justify Sunday worship are wrong. Even priests declare there is no such support for Sunday sacredness.

@nigelmeta4551 8 күн бұрын

Yes God does not change , but Sabbath is not god, the Sabbath is a Jews law that points to their time in slavery as per Deuteronomy 5 and was given to moses on Sinai as per Nehemiah 9

@itzcaseykc 8 күн бұрын

@@nigelmeta4551 Wrong on so many levels. You are using that old claim to justifying not honoring what God has established from the onset... just as how many in rebellion against God will claim we are under grace and not the law. Before the 10 Commandments were given, God reminded the Israelites not to work on the seventh day, the Sabbath. He tested them when they were informed when to gather manna and when not to, yet there were those (like today) who refuse to comply, thinking they are still obedient to Him when they aren't. Ignorance is bliss I suppose. Even though the Israelites were freed from literal bondage, *ALL* have been freed from the crippling hold sin has on people but so many want to return to their enslavement like a dog does to their own vomit or a pig to the muck-n-mire after being washed up.

@nigelmeta4551 8 күн бұрын

@@itzcaseykc u said God does not change, so is Sabbath God? No. Was Sabbath given to anyone apart from Israel ? No it was only given to Israel as a sign of covenant that he took them out of Egypt, the Sabbath commandment is fulfilled in Christ because in Ex 20 Sabbath point to creation and In the new testament Jesus is the new Adam which signifies the new creation because those in Christ are a new creation, in Deuteronomy 5 Sabbath points to slavery in egypt and in the new testament christ is the one who freed us from the slavery in egypt ...

@nigelmeta4551 8 күн бұрын

@@itzcaseykc 9 of the 10 Commandments were part of natural law, known to man before the 10 Commandments, and therefore not in need of any explanation. The Sabbath commandment was not like this - it needed to be revealed, and that is why it did not remain binding when the Mosaic Law came to an end - it was not part of natural law. St John Chrysostom

@carlose4314 10 ай бұрын

If the ten commandments were nullified, why are they in the catechism?

@Qwerty-jy9mj 10 ай бұрын

Because they haven't been nullified

@astutik8909 10 ай бұрын

@trollpatrol7215 The Lords day IS the Sabbath. Not SUNday.

@astutik8909 10 ай бұрын

@@Qwerty-jy9mj Hmmm ohh you mean the catholic 7 commandments?? You break the first by breaking the second and 4th. That leaves 7. You hide the graven images commandment and then divide the 10th commandment about covetousness, into 2 seperate commandments. Sneaky sneaky.

@WC3isBetterThanReforged 10 ай бұрын

@@astutik8909 There are 13 commanding statements. Anyway you slice it, 3 commandments have to be consolidated in order to group them as 10. Since idol worship is the worship of false gods, that commandment is grouped as a subordinate clause under the first commandment. Open any Bible (the New American Bible is the translation used in the mass) to Exodus 20 or Deuteronomy 5 and you will see the 10 Commandments.

@YajunYuanSDA 10 ай бұрын

@@Qwerty-jy9mj You nullified the entire writing of the particular commandment, and thus nullified the commandment. If you remove seventh day from the command, there is nothing left.

@tony1685 9 күн бұрын

wow, these folks have validated Amos 8:11 coming to fruition! talk about nonsense.

@benjaminfalzon4622 5 ай бұрын

When the Catholics finally find out, that Mary never ever showed up and the Sun never danced, that will be another day of disappointment, for the Catholics". The rest of us already know that the real Mary is still dead, for now.