Are SMITE's Recent Gods Bad Designs?

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[@YandereFetish]

Power creep has affected this game since like season 5 so it’s not a new issue they’re just doubling down and bloating every character that comes out now lmao

[@imgonnacream]

everyone complains about Marti but I don't see it, his ult hits for 500 max on squishies, his 3 is actually busted for objectives like beacon other than that I never have a bad time playing against him (I haven't lost 1 match in over 25 games with him though). his 1 and 2 do seem really strong but so many gods have insane annoying combos so it's nothing new

[@FrostBeam009]

@@imgonnacream Martichoras is super balanced... He burst super strong but has no escapes at all.. High risk high reward.

[@alexbertil2756]

500 on squishies? I relibly deal like 70% of their health if they lack a dash/jump to escape all the while being immune from damage/CC, its genuinely absurd.

[@imgonnacream]

​@@FrostBeam009I wouldn't say *super* balanced but he is nowhere near as annoying as people say. I've CLAPPED a hacking martichoras where he was invisible and you couldn't even see his attacks he still wasn't annoying

[@imgonnacream]

​@@alexbertil2756I build him with meta items and sometimes try other things but I genuinely do not see his ult hitting for anything other than 50 damage a tick

[@TheTrickyTwix]

I think they should just speed up Surtr’s ult. Both the falling animation but also the wind up. I’d imagine if I saw a surtr shoot up into the air twice as fast I’d feel alot more pressured.

[@HookahOtaku]

In addition to OP: Cut the 1 cd in half. Even if the cooldown was halved for his 1, the damage scale is awful after mitigations are added.

[@ghostridernz17]

​@HookahOtaku bro his 1 at full stacks only does like 100 dmg or 200 its not even worth lol they have items/auras that negate it.

[@TheSolitaryEye]

I imagine a Surtr ult that's Thor ult speed, doing less damage but raking a line of meteor drops that linger as pulsing aoe fields between where he starts and where he lands to shock spread out team fights, initiate ganks, give some temporary area denial, etc. It'd give him that expression he's lacking currently, I think.

[@5urgs]

Surtr struggles with ranged gods. Beginning middle and late. Edit: Also I guess if Hirez thinks his gap close is the stun. Okay solid argument. But it takes forever to come out. Think shield bash or sickle and how fast they come out. I have to grab and run up with this minion in my hand everyone knows what’s coming. It’s like Thoth dash oh I gotta dodge this one. I don’t know when sickle is coming to slow me besides tracking his cd.

[@DoifBungus]

Nobody's talking about how Surtur is a physical god, and he has the ability to do a tiny bit of magical damage. I personally would like to see a mixed damage god, while it would be most definitely break the game, it's good to see hirez dipping their toes into this idea.

[@Dualities]

he can use warding sigil, magical gods cant. which is really good for earlly game tankines. then go falt pen gg ezz

[@TTVKiraGloom]

I’m honestly hoping maman brigitte has a mix of both as a mage/assassin

[@Babbngt0n]

freya used to be like that way back in the day

[@SlayerFan961]

As a Guardian main, Charon and Atlas are my jam. Atlas is one of the few Guardians that can carry even when built tanky and Charon is a kickass god. For Warriors, Shiva is amazing. If I'm not playing Achilles or Vamana, I'm playing Shiva.

[@neminem233]

For Surtr, I think a cool idea for his ultimate is the ability to cancel it to fall down immediately. I don’t know if it would be broken or not but it seems fine and would also make his ultimate more useful I also wanted to say that your thoughts on the lack of control with Shiva’s stance made my change my own god design a little bit, so thanks for that!

[@aewon2085]

Surtr needs an option to speed up the decent, and to slow it down to allow better distance in my opinion

[@psychicer5022]

make surtrs ult like thor, but with the movement, and have the little meteors fall where you aim, till you land.

[@ymiras7881]

@@psychicer5022that would just make the character so op, lol They should only speed up his ult to make it somewhat intimidating at least

[@psychicer5022]

@ymiras7881 then have the damage decrease the longer you stay up there haha idk but the up and down from Thor ult is what I'd be after Last time I played surtr I remembered the range on his upt sucked, I kept coming down slow and not as far as I had hoped How about like Thor ult speed, but if you touch the movement keys, then it comes down as it currently is. I'm just spitballin here haa

[@seejoshrun1761]

I think Charybdis has a lot of interesting design elements, they just feel bad to use. She would benefit a lot from a few minor redesign/QOL changes. Not exactly sure what those changes would be, but I think she is an interesting design and pretty close to being a great character to play.

[@Wormboderpepe]

yeah, she feels clunky. especially her 1 and 2 can backfire hard. the amount of times i was stuck in her 1/2 animation, while i got obliterated is insane.

[@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire]

The Manticore is a lot of fun in MOTD’s, _especially_ Infinite assault or All Out Assault 2.0 where you can have the 5 per team of him turn the map into a predator movie.

[@ajzorger93]

that sounds like chaos and i love it

[@thespongemonkey]

The problem with making new hunters in smite is that they all kind of have the same abilities. Like, pretty much every hunter that is considered an auto attack hunter and not an ability hunter has 1: A single lane clear ability 2: An Auto attack Steroid 3: Some kind of escape. They also often have a cc but not always for example: Marti: 1: single lane clear ability 2:cc 3:Movement/ kind of an actual unique ability 4: Escape passive: Auto attack steroid you can do this and almost all of the hunters that aren't ability hunters, that is their kit.

[@Dominick225]

marti is the worst example of a non ability hunter tbh. Use like cern for a better example. Or hachiman.

[@fourthcasper6161]

Marti is an ability hunter, not an auto attack hunter.

[@thespongemonkey]

@@Dominick225 And yet he still has all of the traditonal hunter tropes lol. Of the hunters you can play auto attack he is the one you can do it on least, and he STILL has the same abilities as all the other AA Hunters, it's ridiculous.

[@neminem233]

I feel like season 5 was the first time they really experimented with brand new ideas. And season 6 was the absolute peak of their creativity, the other seasons are also very creative but recently the gods have had unique abilities but importantly, not unique play styles. Gods like King Arthur, Old Persephone (rip), Jormungandr and Yemoja are unlike any other god really, but the newest gods just aren’t. Personally I don’t mind if the newest god is absurdly overpowered, as long as they A: don’t stay that way and B: are interesting and unique. Smite still has a huge amount of potential for gods unlike any other and I hope they can see it Edit: I meant season 5 and 6

[@twoface9959]

I would add Maui and Tsukuyomi to that list.

[@neminem233]

@@twoface9959 agreed, I was only using gods from season 5 and 6 for this example but I would absolutely add them to unqiue playstyle gods

[@twoface9959]

@@neminem233 Oh my mistake

[@neminem233]

⁠@@twoface9959no problem

[@ghostridernz17]

​@@twoface9959its sad to see tsuk be powercrept as hard as hes been and idk wtf these patches have done to him but now he just feels clunky and it straight up feels like he does no dmg

[@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire]

I think a lot of it would be fixed if they did mass QOL updates to older or “simpler” characters, like expanding any 1 or 2 sentence passives left in the game… Like Hercules’s “Strength From Pain” that reads as: _Every time Hercules takes damage from an enemy god he gains a stacking self buff that provides increased Physical Power._ I could expand the above to include something like “When Strength From Pain stacks expire, Hercules heals 3% of his Max health per stack over the next 3 seconds.” Another one would be Vamana’s. You’ll often see more magical gods then physical ones on a team, or sometimes even an entire team of physical gods, which makes Vamana’s physical exclusive passive near-worthless. SO, if *I* were to amend “Sleeping Giant”… “Sleeping Giant (2.0)”: _Vamana gains HP5, Physical Power and Attack Speed equal to a percentage of his Physical Protections. Vamana gains MP5, Movement Speed and Attack Speed equal to a percentage of his Magical Protections. While Vamana is under 30% health and for 10 seconds after his health increases past 30%, he gains Physical protections equal to 15% of his magical protections, and Magical Protections equal to 15% of his Physical Protections._

[@SlayerFan961]

Vamana is already an incredibly stupid god to play (I win with him all the time) and you want him to get buffed?? Especially with your suggestion, that would be a coding nightmare. The buffs would keep on adding to themselves.

[@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire]

@@SlayerFan961 Well my point is that there should be SOME magical protection interactions with his passive. Also, I’ve never seen him do so well personally. He’s usually dead weight in whatever teams he’s on whenever I see him in a game.

[@SlayerFan961]

@@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire then you see dogshit Vamanas. Berserker's Shield and Shogun's buffs made him better, slap a hastened katana and you stick to everyone with ult, give him Qins and he melts squishies with ult.

[@samuelsilva8364]

@@SlayerFan961 the way Smite goes, he would easily take 15% phys of magical, then 15% magical of phys, but that would keep going till he had max prots with no def item lmao

[@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire]

@@samuelsilva8364 Well the intent is for the % gains to cap at one instance per moment.

[@GruntKing1st]

Might be a hot take but I agree with Inbowned’s take on the marti ult compared to Charybdis. Her three doesn’t instant immune, it does have a wind up that can be interrupted and it has more utility that marti’s ult, being able to knock someone up to use aggressively or defensively to retreat. Honestly she’s one of my favorite hunters, if the ult got fixed I’d be so absolutely happy

[@mattice9083]

Not a hot take at all. That's what separates the two. I've had my 3 interrupted plenty lmao

[@danielhertz1984]

coldest take out here being honest

[@tankadamka]

Warrior main. Shiva is one my go to and I just love him as design as ability wise. Have flaws but so satisfying. Surtr-I had to get used to him way more than most other warriors. I like him now.

[@Cjacker44]

I love watching Inbowned, think you’d guys have a lot of fun playing smite together! Hope everyone can see a video w you two eventually :)

[@Lukastar1]

My friends and I often talk about god design while we play, and we honestly think Smite is in need of an “Operation Health” like Rainbow Six Siege got in 2017. It would focus on bug fixes and server updates rather than new gods and gimmicks, which is the approach R6 took back then. But the other thing would be, instead of new gods, Hi-Rez should go back and redesign scores of gods from the earlier years of smite. Simply giving old gods random buffs isn’t enough to fix the current problems, and frankly tons of players would enjoy the refresh of the game’s roster

[@samuelsilva8364]

Yes to that. Everyone who played for a while has their favorite gods that just can't win games anymore.

[@taibro3868]

agreed!

[@cameronfyffe6346]

I don't really have a problem with immunities, it's just immunities where they can still deal damage that are a problem. Cama, Freya, Marti are all examples of this and like Shiva ix chel have very extended cc immunities but at least you can still try to burst them. I don't really have a problem with charybdis 3, it can be frustrating but it's not to the same level of he doing damage while I can't touch her

[@fearz792]

In all fairness with Cama his ult only gets 3 swings and it’s fairly slow when not attacking, Marty and Freya are awful tho

[@hdkiller7820]

Make sutr ult like a mix made of danza and vulc ult if he can make the ult land like vulc ult as a big meteor make the cicrcle a bit smaller than vult tho and u can choose if you wanna teleport where it lands or u stay where u are and it just does dmg and knocks up

[@jettblade]

The Guardians have been fantastic. Atlas is great, Maui is great, and Charon is alright. Not a big fan of Charon passive. The Mages have been good. I like Yu Huang and Ix Chel is alright. I haven't had much play time with her but she's been fun. The Warriors have been pretty solid. The thoughts on Shiva's passive was exactly what I said. It is too difficult to control because you want to keep pressure by attacking which is what the trigger is for it to shift. I do like Shiva but the passive is bad. Surtr does actually have a high-pressure Ult because it does drop imp-bombs and has a knock-up in a large area though it slow and mostly used to escape. The times I've engaged with his Ult we have won that team fight a majority of the time, people should try to use it more aggressively especially against lower mobility gods. Honestly the Hunters have been an issue design-wise. I think Ishtar is better designed than Marti but still has a lot of issues. Her 1 and 3 are just better versions of other Hunters but her passive, 2, and Ult are different enough. Marti is just power-crept abilities. His passive is just too strong. His 1 and 2 are just better AMC abilities. His 3 is kind of a better Nu Wa Mist. His Ult is just Freya's Ult on steroids. I really hate Marti, I think he should have been an Assassin. The Assassins have been great. Lancelot does feel a little copy-catty ability-wise but he is different enough. Chiodhna is great and a good design. All-in-all the designs have been pretty good except for Hunters. If they focus on making some more unique god for Hunters it will be awesome. Also would be great if they stopped double releasing Mages. We have too many Mages almost more than double than Warriors. I think one of the reasons why Mage items got so powerful was because they've been taking over the game. There are 37(38) Mages, 23 Hunters, 24 Assassins, 23 Guardians, and 20 Warriors. It would be great if literally any other class got a double release.

[@tankadamka]

Exactly about mages. I always have the feeling that if Hirez doesn't really know what to with a god he/she will be a mage. Why?

[@fourthcasper6161]

It's probably easier to make gods into mages. Also, there are only 2 magical classes and 3 physical classes, so that's why there's more mages than everything else

[@yoursexycookie]

Best characters releases even if they were broken at release were S6-S8. Honorific mentions to Cliodnha on Season 9, but that’s a Pon design so he doesn’t fail…

[@Inters3ct]

Yeah I recently learned Pon designed Arthur and it all makes sense now. His designs are goated. Aggro's are also good and Lermy's are hit and miss. Some great some awful.

[@yoursexycookie]

@@Inters3ct Pon also designed Yemoja and Pers, he just doesn't miss with quality and creativity... Recent Charon's probably the most balanced god of Lermy after Huang

[@joke1able]

I don't agree with you saying he can't hate on Marti ult but like charyb 3. They're completely different. Charyb becomes immune and that's pretty much it. The damage on it is negligible and you can run away from it pretty easily. Marti becomes immune, does insane damage and heals. It's completely broken. Only similarity is they're immunity.

[@ChrisRWitt]

Yeah Marti ult does a billion things. The immunity is frustrating because he is doing 12k true damage and life stealing 5k health while in it. Charybdis immunity is just her waddling away.

[@Sevarate.]

I don't really watch his content but I do appreciate seeing his videos and their topics pop up on my feed, its refreshing to see more smite videos like that again

[@xxjayxx517]

Inters3ct you have some based takes on the game and I'm always thinking the same thing as you never fails haha been playing smite since season 3 your channel is the best Smite channel for everything I don't even watch other creators. Long love Cthulhu he'll smash all you tiny gods.😂

[@jacobbrouse1564]

I think the only part of Martichoras's kit they fumbled is the grass. I see it as a worse version of Skadi's Ice. You get crazy movement speed in the area, and then keep that boost after you leave for a few seconds. What makes it worse than Skadi's Ice for me is the fact that there is no crowd control on his grass like Skadi has.

[@nashbutler]

True have them get tangled in the grass or something so they get slowed even 10% and it would make it good

[@JoshWWlol]

​@@nashbutlerMarti Grass is good. it doesn't need a buff.

[@jacobbrouse1564]

@@nashbutler I'm in agreement with Josh above me. Marti's grass is still very strong. No need for a buff. It's just that I think Skadi's Ice is a heavily underrated and underutilized piece of her kit that is insanely strong when used corretly.

[@danielhertz1984]

​@@jacobbrouse1564 yeah and for compensation for the grass marty gets the best kit for the game, if only skadi was half as good

[@jacobbrouse1564]

@@danielhertz1984 Yeah. It's very depressing being a Skadi main out here lol. Just hoping for a buff to her kit or something soon. I feel like she's long overdue for one

[@drdoomer8553]

It’s weird how Charon is kinda just put to the side as though his kit isn’t bloated as all hell

[@Puntersnatch]

They're unique designs. Not just this kit plus another.

[@drdoomer8553]

@@Puntersnatch something can be unique and bloated

[@danielhertz1984]

​@@drdoomer8553 just say tiamat

[@ghostridernz17]

​@@drdoomer8553i mean hes just an annoying support theres like 8 other supports that are just as good or better than him. Honestly tho his ult is the only super bloated ability he has. No way should a support have a global ult that does 500 base with like 90% scaling AND be as wide as it is AND have a cc. And ig his one having a 30% atk speed decrease across all lvls is dumb and they should definitely divide it between ranks. Ill never say i died because of char 1 2 or 3. Ill always say FUKIN TIDAL WAVE lmao

[@Jeraco24]

Id love if surts ult was a sorta combo of king author's ult and Tyr fearless. A big dramatic dash into a few slashes and maybe ties into his passive where every time you hit your ult you get 10 stacks

[@taibro3868]

I like the "nuke" factor feeling. Imo it needs to be sped up, and give some on landing buffs. Extra prots/mits and maybe +5 stacks per god hit

[@Discerned_]

I have big issues with Surtr 2. It gets clipped by walls way too easy if you are throwing a minion. The hit box is as wide as Au Puch 1. I'd like that get changed with his ult. Also his passive scaling isn't infinite.

[@hartmann4710]

his passiv e used to scale infinitely aaand that let him infinitely tank anything especially with the new antiheal cap lol my biggest peeve with him is that his ult goes on cd as he raises into the air, proccing pridwen, dawnbringer and similar items at an entirely inopportune moment and im pretty sure hes the only one to work like that

[@Discerned_]

@@hartmann4710 that would be pretty nice. Another change I would like is for the 3 cool down to start right away

[@jordanhadgeoff4193]

You can control Shiva's passive with ability usage. Which is why it activates his real passive which is the cooldown reduction.

[@deathkain9703]

hirez needs to be more crazy with god designes i havent been hyped for any of them in awhile

[@HortensyaM]

Last time they really went crazy they released the amazing amazing persephone and 6 months later they completely ruined her....

[@Mental618]

The only hunter thats had a very interesting design in the past years is Heimdallr: * Cool hit chain in his AAs with two cleaves and final stronger hit. * Does not use crit well which dictates his viability depending on current item meta. Could be argued if this is good design or not, but its still interesting. * Vision control through his 1 and passive. * Management and proper use of his 3. * Ult that can be used as an escape, self peel or set-up CC.

[@mxlish]

I still remember how they “killed” Artemis ult by decreasing the cc immunity because it was so long (3 sec which 1.5 sec is for the animation) and martichoras ult is still broken and I'm not talking about the dmg (which is absurd)

[@karma7609]

Hi-rez should experiment with other elements, take tsukuyomi for example, range autos on an assassin is a really cool idea. I cant wait for them to add more blinds, an ability to pull teammates, doge mechanics or better yet a magical assassin.

[@thefluffymunchkin5430]

Ix Chel ult is literally just Moira ult from Overwatch and all of my friends noticed it the day it was revealed. It even looks really similar it's so fucking lazy

[@jameshalldorsson9695]

The thing that really killed lance was the shield changes and the addition of items like erosion- anti shield. Yeah, I can say that the Lance 3 was kind of busted with the 700 shield but now, you never even get a chance to mount up and ride into battle because of how they changed the shield system and now, a guardian with Erosion and a couple damage dealers with anti shield effects can completely negate lances mount. If I play lance in this meta, I'm forced to use the mount more as a parry, which I used to do intentionally to absorb a huge damage burst or CC in team fights and then counterattack with the 2 and the 1 or maybe ult, but now it's no longer an option, if you try to mount up it's immediately negated and you essentially lose access to 1/2 of lances kit without dismounts unless you like ride into battle and stack up a shield before entering the team fight. I feel like the shields in this game overall are OP and also, the shield effects they added to try and negate it are bad because they effect characters like lance so disproportionately, like I lose half of my kit as lance, but hey let's buy 4 shells and have a Charon and a Geb and now, you can't even kill the other team whatsoever without anti shield but if the anti shield gets stronger to stop the shell/shield meta, that just puts Lance lower and lower on the tier list. Personally, in conclusion, I think all the year 10 changes fucked the game and the meta is so totally unstable and unbalanced that it makes it barely fun to play, but the shield changes are one of the most egregious changes that completely fucked the meta. Lance is only not meta because of the shield changes and anti shield.

[@taibro3868]

I would unironically prefer the horse not having any shield, so you can use it to run. Or make him a warrior

[@jameshalldorsson9695]

@@taibro3868 I kind of liked the shield mechanic but the shield changes made it actually hamper the God, at this point with the current shield system I'd say just remove the shield entirely and make it something like Kumba, Kalder or Tiamat minions with a hit system, a number of hits to dismount rather than a shield, because the shield thing just doesn't work in this meta at all whatsoever

[@taibro3868]

@@jameshalldorsson9695 Yeah you cant like go in and then get out like most assassins theoretically can and do. You just get fucked if you engage with horse and no ult.

[@D34doneTTV]

All I'm gonna say is, I think it's hilarious that a lot of the gods we find crazy annoying or find parts of the kits weird, either to play or play against, now are the new designs that have tons of immunities built in. Small immunities are great, Clio knockup immune during 1, Atlas knockup immune during dash, but neither have CC immune ults. Clio can go into walls for immunity, but the conditions required are fairly strict, takes a second or two, needs health so if youre dying it's hard, can't stay in it without draining health. But Ix Chel, like 6 possible seconds of CC immune ult, Shiva 6 seconds of CC immune ult that they GUTTED the mitigations on and never revisted so gods pretty dead, Maui, Marti, Charybdis, Charon, Yu Huang, Surtr, Ishtar, hell even Lance, but at least his FORCES you to move, have CC immune ults and either bloat or power creep elsewhere in the kit. (actually I'd argue Maui doesn't really have bloat or creep, and i'm certainly not gonna complain about his design, hes fucking sick, especially since the only thing you MIGHT argue was the 2/TP puddle, but it got nerfed enough the MS and stuff isn't OP its fine) SMITE DEV CHALLENGE, RELEASE FUN GOD THAT EVENTUALLY IS BALANCED WITHOUT CC IMMUNITY, CHALLENGE IMPOSSIBLE SINCE SEASON 8 WITH GILG, CLIO, ATLAS!

[@elainesinclair6532]

The way I see it is that the new god designs aren’t bad marti is a very well designed artillery adc with a play style very few hunters can provide the problem is that as games are developed the scope of abilities that can be made is made much higher meaning that older gods fall out of relevance because the new characters do what they do but better but this isn’t the fault of new characters having unique and strong kits it’s more that the old gods don’t have enough to compete with newer releases, the new gods do need nerfs and there kits can be bloated but this completely ignores the fact that quite a large amount of gods simply have out dated designs made for what was fundamentally a different game Freya with here 3-4 reworks and still being basically the same, wukongs one literally just being damage in a line etc but to hirez credit they have been trying to fix this by removing elements from kits that were clearly not needed while also adding in more effects to older gods ie Athena taunt dealing damage and Thor wall dealing damage. Of course this argument falls apart completely if the design actually is bad/boring and if the god is just stupid bloated like Ishtar, marti, Charon, ixchel

[@stormi8029]

it would be really nice if you included a bit more punctuation to make any of this more readable

[@elainesinclair6532]

@@stormi8029 no.

[@alexissifuentes3132]

You said a whole lot of nothing bro

[@lumperony5664]

They could make the gods passive do very little but if they get a ton of them it’ll give them a good amount and can be stack infinitely

[@Ro-fw3lc]

Wish they would experiment with more tsukuyomi type characters,namely the ranged assassin deal. Also wouldnt hurt to take a look at older gods and see what they can give.

[@Inters3ct]

Agree, ranged assassin is a cool area to explore.

[@samuelsilva8364]

Tsuku is a great god, fun as heck to play with and not impossible to play against

[@crksg]

I think surtr's ult should be a long range straight line knock up the does some burn damage or slows or something like that

[@crksg]

Like the fire giant knock up

[@thomaswhite5122]

I juat want marty 3 to be acid based too, everything but his 3 is acid based and planting grass is out of left field, and hera just took zues old 3 and yeah just either needs a rework for her kit or tweek her 3 to something else becauseit just moved the old 'problem' from zues to hera on the 3 dosnt fit, and persephone, not badly but just a lil change because well we have abilities that leave stuff on the ground and they could be taken out but persephone's flowers

[@animemonsterx]

i dont think the design is bad, honestly i like the innovations, the problem is that they refuse to balance the god, it's fine if the god is too strong on launch, it gives hype around the new release, but at least try to balance the thing, Marti for example is a very fun god, but is just too strong and they refuse to do anything about for fear of something, Ix Chel, also a fun god, still way too strong, not as bad as Marti but still... so in short, i think the gods are super well design now, and also more fun than they were before, but they need to either tone back the power(which i think it would be a mistake, no one gets hyped for a weak character) or bring up the old ones, either by scaling up their kit or changing them(not a full kit change, maybe one or two abilities, just to adequate to how much the game changed), the smite we have today is a lot different from season 2 for example, but that means some of the old gods just don't work with how the game is anymore, look at Artemis and Anubis, they just don't function well anymore, sure you can make them work, but it's always too much work

[@kit2877]

Surtur needs lance ult. He should just shout giving awilx type ult buffa and then charge in at super speed. His current ult doesn't work with his kit because it serves far too much of a degensive role but that ult (mabye with a small sheild added since lance's is based off of his 3) could be used to both engage and disengage. Probably stuns and slows the first target and slows the rest deals good burst and drops his magma to the left and right of the dash.

[@Essman614]

Idk if they're necessarily as bad as they are frustrating. Ix Chel's damage is pretty easy to confirm. Marty has an ult that while cool and thematic is just really strong for multiple reasons but primarily because self banish & reposition is just really good. The frustration factors could be seriously reduced if Ix Chel's damage wasn't so easy to confirm and Marty if he didn't get so much mobility from leaving his brush

[@Inbowned]

LMFAOOOO You’re good, you add a lot of value into the reaction and make it into something better imo. 10/10 :D

[@Inters3ct]

Perhaps not better, but at least different.

[@pierrecourtois5167]

I'm gonna be so frustrated if we don't get an assassin this year tbh. Between that and the assassin item pool getting thiner and thiner while every other class got a like a new item tree for funsies it really feels like we get the short end of the stick every time. Like Mages get about 2 releases a year but we have to take the assassin spot to release a magical jungler ?

[@zerooftherebellion4612]

I guess its time to do a "best designed characters" tier list boyo!

[@samuelsilva8364]

that would be an algorithm feast for him since literally no one would agree and comment section would explode xD

[@fadeddragon123]

Idk what’s wrong with recent gods. Mantichoras ult is incredibly annoying but that’s only because it’s a free self banish. If it just did dmg and shredded I would be okay with it. Ishtar I have never had a problem with and I don’t understand why people would have a problem other than that she is supposed to have a worse long ranged auto than hachi I love the fact she has versatility in her autos Power creep is and always will be a thing. That’s where reworks come in. But hirez has stated they won’t be doing full reworks anymore. And them saying that effectively sealed the fates of many gods being bad in the future. When people say “bad design” I say “interesting design” these abilities aren’t bloated. They are more interesting than gods were for the first 5-6 seasons. Smite has always had an issue of being too simple. This is why Persephone got reworked. She was too complex for smite and it is the biggest disappointment in smite I’ve ever had. They will say “it was to make her easier to balance” but it’s okay for characters to get better as you go up in rank. Every MOBA has characters like that. People say Tiamat is complicated but she’s super simple. “Cone, extra buff, execute camps” for example. Each ability is incredibly simple but she has more than the average god. My biggest issue with her is the fact I was excited for another mage bruiser for solo. Which never happened If smite is going to keep getting more complicated what they need to do is make new classes so new players have an easier time getting into the game. Like how LoL has the warden and such.

[@lisandroiribarne1141]

You can actually control shiva passive with his ult, but I agree that he is very simple outside form the ult where all the kit complexity went

[@Scyllamain]

Off topic, can we get a Taunt Teir List?

[@travismartin5455]

For Shiva, they should change his passive like Achilles. Let him choose what state to be in at the fountain

[@Matthew-kw2rc]

Maybe sutr get “enhanced “ like efg , and gets some new abilities , or upgraded forms? Just an idea for ult ❤

[@EvilM0nkeyRules]

I just want more older characters to be changed or tweaked a bit to compete with newer characters

[@barrelrolljones3837]

I would say you should also do videos similar to this

[@samialivand1511]

I think they should make surtr's ult something like a comet barrage instead of turning into a comet himself. Something like hou yi ults but he can semi control the comets

[@dionjones6300]

Sol ult? I actually like it as an engage tool even though it's imperfect but it also makes for an annoying disengage tool

[@mattice9083]

The winner is right here. Change Surtr ult to Tyr ult but twice as high and duration in the air. But have 2 versions. The first crashes into the earth and draws all enemies towards as they "fall" in the crater. The second version would instead send a earthquakey wave out and instead push the gods away from surtr ALA hun batz ult. Could even go so far as ti have the animation change the last half second or whatever before crashing down to signal which ult version it is

[@BrotherBillOG]

The problem with smite is how much CC they continue to add to every god, and the damage and CC immunities to some. Imo only guardians and maybe warrior's should have hard CC. Giving every new god 2 CCs is busted. You want a fair fight against someone? Oh to bad you used your beads earlier and now you're stunned 15 seconds later. Oh youre about to kill Awilix or Bastet? Or marti? Jk they have CC, damage immunities get good.

[@culinaryv4030]

cherry 3 has a delay though, you can 100% get blown up before being able to get into it. it's not instant and you have to play with wave for it to be useful attacking wise. it's not a bad ability when in use but on paper I see why people dislike it

[@virustsunami4096]

Last good hunter with new thingswas Heim....

[@xxjayxx517]

@7:20 what if surtr channeled an ability and instead summoned meteors to fall on people like Merlins blizzard meets Starfall from Warcraft 3 only it's meteors

[@onlyMAPSreplytome]

Mind you they took away SWC 2018 King Thors special emote where he used to hump his hammer.

[@SynderFGC]

Charib 3 isn't instant immunity tbf. It's got a windup that you can affect

[@lametrain9667]

Fully agree that gods should be designed around some specific niche instead of having random abilities tacked on. I think Ishtar is supposed to be an aggressive “dueling” hunter given her passive and dash but giving her 3 different steroids and AOE CC just makes her an all-purpose character. Like it would’ve been sick and fits her lore if they went all in on making her a lane bully ADC like Anhur.

[@mxlies15]

I like surtrs ult and think people just haven’t used it to it’s full effect but in a game where Horus exists why have surtr, I’d love to see the fire giants character’s kit actually resemble fighting the old fire giant more especially with cuthulu existing think bigger, but also if surtr did get remade I’d like to see the current surtr kit streamlined into an assassin im sure there’s a firey minion haver in a pantheon unused

[@vetabeta9890]

yes my friends and i were talking about this, all the new/recent gods seem like they want them to do/be so many things and they end up sucky at everything other then damage, like ix chel is botched imo cause her healing is complete ass unless you dedicate your entire build to boosting it, whereas change and aphrodite i feel like their healing is good in general, like they’re afraid of just giving us a healer

[@ghostridernz17]

Its not like they're afraid. They are afraid 100% healing characters are stupid and annoying its the main reason they buffed anti heal and nerfed aphro she was borderline unkillable at one point. Since then they added more way for healers to be supportive than to be just a phat heal. Which sucks but oh well ill just accept that they cant balance healer type gods well for now maybe one day they'll get it down

[@scalpingsnake]

Yeah I agree, these videos are just fun and it should be done more. As for are the recent god designs bad? I wouldn't say so, the only issue for me is when the gods don't get nerfed quickly enough. If they need them to be broken on release, fine whatever, I hate that but I can live with it. But why do they take SO long to nerf the characters that are too good... Marty should have honestly been nerfed into the ground after a month of release and then brought BACK UP slowly. After a month of a god being too good who wouldn't want the god to be out of the meta for a bit and then buffed back into being meta if needed.

[@lisandroiribarne1141]

I think marti ult could be nerf to be similiar to olorun 2, meaning if you hit the target the next tick will do less damage up to a cap of 80% for example. Of course it will be defensively strong but i think it would be a step in the good direction

[@lisandroiribarne1141]

Btw marti has abnormaly high prots and hp, actually higher than some warriors like odin of cu chu

[@Bowie.]

Hachi v Ishtar shows why fun is more important than bloat. Ishtar is not fun while Hachi was fun even when he was trash.

[@ricolives1166]

Bad designs? Or maybe Hi Rez is releasing new characters that are very strong/broken to bring people back since EVEYONE knows the ques have been so small

[@mercurialfunk2552]

I commented on his video that the last great God design, imo is Gilgamesh. A simple kit that works together well and not inherently bloated or a mash up of other existing gods

[@Lukastar1]

Are you forgetting the 20+ nerfs he got in a row because his kit was *too* good?

[@mercurialfunk2552]

@Lukastar1 That's a consequence of being overtuned though, not because his kit has a bunch of moving parts.

[@karma7609]

Ye Gilgamesh is a good design just because he had a "numbers" problem doesn't mean it's a bad kit, still wish Gilgamesh had a real passive.

[@Megusaka]

charybdis 3 is not instant immunity though, so your point of his argument being hypocritical doesn't really make sense. especially because he said he prefers the half second delay that she has when he was talking about the freya and cama changes

[@John777-3]

If Maman Brigitte is just data mining as physical but turns out to be a magical assassin I'll probs re-download smite

[@dosicmyth]

They should just make surtur stack with last hitting minions.

[@Nediac800]

Imo Shiva’s kit is actually pretty unique. I love his ability to just disrupt people. My only complaint is that his ult feels underwhelming until you chase someone down the lane with it, and the lack of control of hos passive making it kind of an afterthought where I only check it when there’s a hunter attacking a tower that I could give an attack speed boost to

[@viruz883]

This isn’t even power creep but nothing fills me with more hatred than both form of Persephone’s kits. It’s the most stupid kit design IMO

[@Connordaboss45]

Nothing like perseph turning joust into a platforming game /:

[@terrakage4462]

I like charybdis alot. I don't agree with her 3 having the same exact problem. Yes it grants immunity, however, she can be interrupted since its not truly instantaneous which is already a plus, usually she can be caught up with unless she has ult. Even if she spends tide meter she isn't getting that much more distance in the ability either. She isn't returning damage to you if she is retreating, its negligible at best. And It is a very telegraphed move that can simply be baited out and waiting for charybdis to pop back up. Rushdown and aggressive gods can make it very difficult for charybdis to get away, especially if its an assassin who likely has speed buff. If she uses ult, thats a win. If she is using ult defensively she isnt turning around to hit somebody plus she is losing value on missing out on future chances of resets if it is on cooldown. I agree her ult is weird, I honestly think it needs to come out faster or be change. Change I had is give her the option to pull an opponent towards her. Which I think works a bit better for her playstyle. She is designed fine. I truly dont think her three comparable.

[@caterpillar1936]

Bobbys inbowned

[@memechaser5150]

I'm personally a fan of Ishtar, but I definitely think her 1 is a bit bloated. I stopped playing Smite for a couple years (stopped in Season 8, came back during the Charon patch), so I didn't see her at her peak, but I do think she is fun. I do find ability based hunters way more interesting, though

[@tillermarkets2063]

My idea for Shiva's passive mini game: A karmic meter with a red part for destruction and a blue part for bliss, with an arrow in the middle that moves to indicate how far into which state you are. Shiva's abilities always have both the destruction and bliss state bonuses, but with increased or diminished effects depending on how far your meter is leaning towards bliss or destruction. Shiva would gain meter for destruction by hitting enemies with his abilities, and for bliss by effecting his allies with the bliss bonuses. So hit enemies for more scaling on your destruction effects, and allies for scaling on bliss effects.

[@5urgs]

Surtr makes me so upset I love his design and I honestly think he’s like 1 or 2 solid buffs from dominating every other solo. That’s probably why hi Rez is so hesitant.

[@jasonsparks3950]

yeah i milk out every single stack i can out of surtr 1 just to deal 200 dmg, which is annoying. but i keep doing it b/c its a fun mini game

[@ernstjung6234]

Charon with his shields is annoying. All the moments i almost killed an enemy god just for a shield to pop up out of nowhere. Just annoying.

[@RephaimVGM]

nobody believes me when i say this, but yu huang is my fuckin man. genuinely one of my most fun gods to get to rank 10, if not the most. getting early cdr on him is SUPER helpful and makes him feel much better to use, especially since his early game is a bit slow imo. slaps big time in joust also i suck so bad with ix chel but she's also one of my favorite mages in the game already. haven't gotten around to rank 10 on her though

[@67fofo]

The wukong hate hurts me in my heart 😢

[@Inters3ct]

I don't hate wukong particularly. I just hate how safe he is, played properly theres almost no chance for solo kills or ganks on him without overcommitting and losing gold or something.

[@67fofo]

@@Inters3ct Nah I understand where you are coming from. He is that god that you can't push your lead into (because he's safe in more than one way) and that dominates if you hand him the lead. But that is the reason I love playing him: all around good character with options and impact in almost every game if you don't feed your brains out.

[@tijsgoetelen6812]

Charibdiss three doesn't give instant immunity if I remember well though?

[@Inters3ct]

Depends on the definition of 'instant'. It's not frame 1 but it's within 1/3 - 1/2 of a second which is for most purposes instant.

[@tijsgoetelen6812]

@@Inters3ct yeah most likely, I just remember getting cced while in animation with it a few times, I agree its an unfun ability tho.

[@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire]

Hear me out… So you can only have 1 starter item, and 1 glyph, right? And upgraded starter items are technically tier 2 items, right? SO, why not collapse the 2 and have a third tier up starter item upgrades for every starter item… _That Are Also Glyphs?_ Or you could get a glyph version of a starter item and then the glyph upgrade transfers onto the completed item? Take “Sands of Time”: _PASSIVE - This item grants 2 MP5 per 10% of your missing Mana. Your damaging abilities deal an extra 15 true damage to minions._ I could take the above and give it two glyphs, who’s behaviors would then transfer over to the Pendulum or Timeline upgrades: “Sands of Eternity” _PASSIVE - This item grants 2 MP5 per 10% of your missing Mana. Your damaging abilities deal an extra 15 true damage to minions._ *This Item Grants 2 HP5 per 10% of your available Mana.* “Sands of Finality” _PASSIVE - This item grants 2 MP5 per 10% of your missing Mana. Your damaging abilities deal an extra 15 true damage to minions._ *This Item grants 2% Movement Speed and Attack Speed per 10% of your missing Health.* And then the boldened effects would transfer to the Pendulum or Timeline.

[@DmytroBogdan]

Ix chel is Morgan La Fey 2.0

[@ariepaul8647]

Charybdis 3 is not instant immunity. She can be damaged while she’s jumping into the maw

[@yoursexycookie]

And it can be canceled pretty easy…

[@hectorcortland5204]

So martis kit just needs redone, I think if you nerfed his ult correctly it could be acceptable, or at least acceptably broken. Like maybe 5 off of base dmg at all levels, 10% scaling, the prot shred should be dmg increase so it doesnt benefit allies and only affect other tics of the ult, and be like 2% for ten stacks, that way it takes much more accuracy to take effect and even if you land all 12 shots you only get 2 at max dmg increase, it should also just legit be a much longer cool down, irrelevant of what else happens.

[@pattyshack19]

I believe that smite should reduce the cc durations of most abilities and remove ccr. What if marti only had like a 0.5s root and if morgan le fey's fear was the same duration. There is way too much cc in smite as it stands. It would be nice and probably less frustrating to play against certain gods if some ccs didn't last so long. Burst is more fun to play with and against than cc is

[@theshywizard6536]

Ishtar is a Touhou character

[@brandonblue2994]

They still haven't touched Evergreen acorn the item worthless item by comparison and stat wise. It not ok to be in the state that it's in. It should have max hp scaling either infinite, per level,gold scaling or something, maybe max hp increase per item finished. Instead they leave the item untouched adjusted slightly when ttk or healing changes are made.

[@lewis5794]

Yes. don't even need to watch the video to say yes. New gods have far too many effects per ability relative to old gods and the power creep is insane.

[@ryanleeenglish]

What makes me more annoyed than lances horse immunity is that Arthur can still move in his abilities while rooted. 🙃

[@samialivand1511]

Its not just Arthur, some roots are not cripples so anyone can use movement abilities in those. But some abilities like cern 2 is a root and a cripple so you wont be able to use movement abilities

[@TheTrickyTwix]

@@samialivand1511I think he’s referring to interactions with King Arthur’s auto attacks. For example, an Arthur can be Nox comboed(rooted, crippled, silenced) and he can auto attack forward and out of the combo(hypothetically, but it’s hard) it’s just weird that a character can do that Edit: after reading again I don’t think that’s what he referred to but still

[@samialivand1511]

@@TheTrickyTwix Idk, in my experience you can't use your lung auto attack when crippled

[@TheTrickyTwix]

@@samialivand1511 oh fr? I haven’t tested it in awhile but I know it used to be possible. Maybe it was fixed

[@rizztraininghamster]

I was super disapointed in marticora. They used literally 1 part from mythology and it's so sad P.s. Also Ix Chel in all the sources is a s3xy thin woman. And what did we get? A thick black ugly god....

[@bigbrisk8423]

They need to balance the fuggin game. 130 gods and only about 30 are playable if you don't use specific people you're completely fked.

[@CartyRL]

Ullrs ult is clearly the best hunter ult in the game. Totally broken.

[@unclefred3128]

Inbowned's content has been kicking Ares!

[@unclefred3128]

That was a typo, but I'm leaving it.

[@hdkiller7820]

Lance should just be a warrior and his dash should get a slow or root

[@applehotel9]

you mentioned that you hate charybdis 3 but yu huang 3 feels like the exact same thing and you like his kit?

[@Inters3ct]

Of his whole kit the 3 annoys me the most, yes.

[@declanryan7285]

Gods can be bad and still be fun, thats ok. its not ok when a god isnt fun to play and is op like Marti

[@yourfellowpik935]

Imo the designs arent bad just horribly balanced