Are the NEW STIHL Chainsaws As good as the OLD? We Find Out!

[@soren00024]

ive had one of these 212s for probably 2 almost 3 months. Its been an awesome saw for what I've needed. I've been clearing trails for my dirtbike and it has no issues cutting through some pretty big size trees. I have been extremely happy with it

[@Idahoprepper71]

As a certified Stihl mechanic for a very long time , I can tell you the new saws a not even close in build quality like the older ones.

[@pdevonport7266]

Yes, they've made it more chuck away than ever before so congratulations Stihl for making another disposable chainsaw.

[@johncaster8961]

@@pdevonport7266 what brand do you suggest? I still always hold stihl in high regard as I feel that all brands are equally lowering standards of quality and not exclusively stihl.

[@Jeremy-ps1ps]

@@johncaster8961stihl is still best or husqavarna

[@mikeraftis6332]

I like the looks of these new saws. They need to be light as the previous models and have same or more hp. Which they don't. That said a muffler mod might help slightly.

[@christopher.96]

The consumer grade saws and really everything now are just garbage. At this point just buy the pro saws.

[@baby-sharkgto4902]

The 180 was better and easier to service than the 181 and now the 181 is better and easier to service than the 182. I have been a Stihl Master Wrench technician for over 20 years.

[@chefgiovanni]

My STIHL 021 is still going. Looking at the MS182 as a backup. Thoughts? Let's get cooking.

[@em4703]

They're both as easy to service, and both are just as frustrating to take completely apart and repair. So nothing new for the "homeowner" line, positive or negative.

[@JoshuaOverman]

@@chefgiovannijust buy it its not expensive and you’ll probably atkeast get a decent amount of use out of it before it breaks

[@alans.4658]

The new saws with the spring AV are a huge Improvement in comfort and serviceability. Had to replace intake manifold on a ms180 recently, it's a struggle dealing with the rubber bushings. A T27 zips off the new springs easier and much quicker.

[@jameswilson9142]

Watched several videos from USA showing the differences, all the videos showed the ms170 was more powerful than ms162 as well as being cheaper and are still available. The chain tensioner on ms170 ca be changed to side tensioning with a cheap kit available on internet and has stihl parts. Great videos keep it up.

[@MachineryNation]

The MS170 will phase out very soon if not already, they have in the UK. I have watched a few video comparisons, but not where they have used two brand new saws, the 170 was always one that had been run in at least against a new 162. I don’t recon that there is much between them.

[@dab.]

Yep, "Includes paid promotion" tells you all you need to know about this video.

[@derrasenmaher9730]

I own a 162 and 170. The quality of the build in material is not that bad but you could feel a difference if you ask me. Also I am pretty sure that the 170 will outlast the 162 when it comes to the engine. But I will get an MS 212 next fall to replace my old 211 and we will see how that one is. Best saws that Stihl ever made was everything with an „0“ in Front, like 017, 024, 026… and so on. Anyways I like this saws alot. The small saws we use for Tree care and small firewood jobs because these are so light and got enough power for their size. For the larger jobs we got Stihl, Husqvarna and Dolmar Professional saws in any size. Right Tool for the right Job. As long aus you take care of the stuff they will last a long long time.

[@MachineryNation]

Thanks mate, I don’t believe the engines between the 017, 170 and 162 are all that different to be fair. The 212 is by far the greatest improvement on the 211 out of the range of new saws.

[@interviewera3602]

I bought sthil ms 180 and it refused to start after few minutes of use. When I took it to my local dealer , he figured out that it was a faulty carburetor. Mine chainsaw is made in china and I am skeptical about its quality since.

[@katarzynarajska6110]

Hi I lookin for help I bought brand new chainsaw ms181 I noticed oil coming out around the muffler its coming out around the 2 holes for muffler screws, its new machine do you think petrol mix to rich ? I put 20 ml of oil in to 1 liter of petrol is that to much

[@m4ko94]

Old school stihl is like a hummer, but now new stihl have too much electric connections.

[@salpezzino7803]

I still run an 076 and the bar says West Germany on it. I can clean the carb and not change the diaphragms

[@Swearengen1980]

EPA and environmental virtue signaling BS means regulations have made all chainsaws subpar compared to older saws IMO, even if the air filters are old school or it requires a little more maintenance.

[@stihlms400cm3]

Beautiful disassemble and reassembly, you are a cracking mechanic, l noticed that the clutch cover doesn’t have a captive nut, could have , should have, having said that, Stihl are Number One in my book , just like Machinery Nation, Greetings from Ireland.

[@WildlifeClips365]

Nice. I like the fact that you don't have to split the saw to get the crankshaft out. Whole engine in one bit.

[@MachineryNation]

Yeah that’s a big win!

[@baby-sharkgto4902]

If oil is mixed correctly you will never need to go in there…. Ever

[@billhowe4863]

That's a clamshell design, been around forever on low grade consumer saws, pro grade has a crankcase

[@paulyhicks]

Love it Josh. Great vid!

[@MachineryNation]

Thank you Paul 🤩

[@billhowe4863]

I'll save you 10.5 minutes, no the new ones aren't as good as the old ones

[@salpezzino7803]

thanks I was .5 in

[@AJPsWorkshop]

Great video need to get a good saw like this keep the great content coming

[@MachineryNation]

Thanks mate, appreciate it 🙌🏻

[@Gordon-t8k]

The new stihl Ms 180 sucks it’ll run the first time it’s started but once turned off it won’t power up again not what I expected from a new saw my 2010 Ms 170 has never had a problem they’re making them so cheap nowadays it’s frustrating specially when its 2 hours away from any dealer

[@almclean4835]

Not a Stihl man but the way that came apart might convince to buy n try

[@jonnysnipes3123]

i can’t believe newer models dont have electric start

[@essen7176]

Still using my 038av from 1985

[@em4703]

That's a pro range saw. Nothing to do with these cheapo ones for homeowners, night and day difference, be it 038 or 500i, they are built properly (and expensive).

[@adelarsen9776]

Here's what I learned from this video - "From the MS 231 upwards they are made in Stuttgart in Germany and Virginia Beach in the States. The components are made all over the world. Chains in Switzerland. Cylinders in Brazil. Carbs in China and magnesium crack cases in the Nordics". Stihl chainsaw serial numbers by country manufacture are : 1 is Germany, 2 and 5 is USA, 4 is Austria, 8 is China and 3 is Brazil. And my Deutz tractor is still better than your tractor.

[@DJC995]

Hi Josh Nice one luckily never had to take that many parts of a Stihl😀😀🤞 Thanks again

[@MachineryNation]

Thank you Darran.

[@katarzynarajska6110]

Straight question for You New generation MS stihl 181 made i USA not Germany please Tell me is it any good ? I JUST BOUGHT and i never know it is made in USA

[@johntozer8270]

My old MS025 is streets ahead of the MS 250

[@6900pilot]

I went pro simply because I have a lot of cutting and they are built in Germany, 500i is a fantastic saw delighted with it, do you know if stihl use mahle pistons all the timel?

[@MachineryNation]

Pro is the way to go if you are putting the hours in for sure.

[@salpezzino7803]

ain't they also built in the USA?

[@6900pilot]

​@salpezzino7803 homeowner and farmer/landscaping models yes, professional are made in Germany

[@MachineryNation]

@@salpezzino7803 not the domestic range. From the MS 231 upwards they are made in Stuttgart in Germany and Virginia Beach in the States. The components are made all over the world. Chains in Switzerland. Cylinders in Brazil. Carbs in China and magnesium crack cases in the Nordics.

[@salpezzino7803]

@@MachineryNation that is good to know. I should have said I was from the USA. I just stripped down an MS 250. Rebuilding it this week. I enjoyed the video. I am an Arborist, using chainsaw since the 70's when your 3 foot hand saw was more reliable. We would sometimes toss the chainsaw out of the tree to let the groundman start it, they were all metal then. Thank You

[@Chad-em2fg]

So you say nothing about the first shot cut the single bar stud !! You prove yourself a fan boy!!

[@scottfoster2487]

That is a clutch drum not a clutch.

[@jamesmckiernan3066]

My mechanic works in a timber yard as the main fitter/mechanic. For years they were using stihl chainsaws and almost every week one would destroy the gear boxes and was rebuilding them all the time, one they changed to husqvarna they never get any issues, so by that would the husqvarna chainsaws not be the better purchase?

[@DBVogel87]

Where is the gearbox on a chainsaw?

[@harlanborders943]

No they are not as good as they used to be. My family has used them since the early 80 s . The old model’s would not die they got dropped out of trees or ran over. The only reason they got new ones. With every newer model it went down hill compared to the older ones.

[@MachineryNation]

Shame you think that dude, for a domestic saw, we think they are great.

[@nightgoggles9931]

@@MachineryNationThey are great, and they’ve got worse and worse from what they were. Both are true. The saws are significantly less durable since switching to an all plastic body, emphasizing fuel use, and switching model numbers from 025 to 250. These saws will last MAYBE half as long as saws from this same brand 20-30 yrs prior

[@starlightHT]

One day even the engine will be made of plastic....I had never seen so much plastic in a chainsaw... Looks like a toy...

[@primoziskra6394]

Take husqarna. Botom part of motor already made out of plastic.

[@starlightHT]

@@primoziskra6394 But my two Husqs have metal chain oil tanks, metal chain guards... so less plastic.

[@primoziskra6394]

@@starlightHT Look at same range of husqvarna as stihl 180. Of course professional range have all metal body.

[@gavinlivingston1154]

zama

[@edwindude9893]

Stihl have always had better muffler fitting than Husqvarna in the older models like the 372xp the muffler fitting was a joke.

[@MachineryNation]

Muffler fittings can be a pain. I always thought the better ones were clamped rather than threaded into the cylinder.

[@CutterCH]

New Stihls suck. Overpriced, underpowered, and poorly constructed. Stihl is going in the wrong direction. Made cheaper and costing the customer more money. Glad I got rid of my Stihl saws. Best decision I ever made.

[@94SexyStang]

husqvarna is worse, nothing but gimmicks and changing things constantly, plastics look like shit.

[@CutterCH]

@94SexyStang Stihl has more bs gimmicks than any brand. Husqvarna has their shit together. Stihl has been slowly dying for the past 20 years. Their name used to mean something great. Now, it means overpriced cheaply made junk. Their quality is getting worse and worse. Husqvarna has been constantly good. Stihl sales are at an all-time low while Husqvarna is much higher. Stihl used to be #1. Not anymore. They're not even #2 or #3. We all saw this coming over a decade ago, but Stihl fan boys were in denial. I've watched the sales numbers from the top brands. I love when the end of the year numbers come out. Stihls numbers have been dropping big time over the past 9 years. Meanwhile, Husqvarna, Echo, RedMax, and Poulan have been climbing. Especially Husqvarna and Echo. Stihl hasn't been #1 in years.

[@music2myear]

A local repair shop said Echo for the average homeowner, and Husqvarna for the bigger jobs. They agreed Stihl used to be good, but they'd fallen off.

[@CutterCH]

@@music2myear You're local repair shop needs educated. Echo's pro line has been very dominant on huge jobs.

[@georgesweeney4171]

The old ones doe

[@radarwill]

Brits, lol......