Are The Springboks The GREATEST Team EVER!? - 'MAUL OR NOTHING' Rugby Podcast Ep. 8

[@Jim_Cpe]

This is the best northern hemisphere rugby podcast by far. As an SA fan I don't expect you guys to be Bok fans. But you guys are fairer than all the others without even trying. Seems you guys are just good dudes that call it like it is. Which is really something.

[@SHUTUPNOWW9360]

SPRINGBOKS ALSO WON THE 2021 LION SERIES BETWEEN THE 2 WORLD CUPS

[@charltonsteenkamp2761]

With that being their FIRST games since the 2019 final. People tend to forget.

[@slayerbot1394]

According to some SA fans, that doesnt matter, only RWC matters lol

[@naidoo307]

🦁 +🏆+ last 2 wins against against AB,s = 😊greatest ever

[@Alias-gy3tz]

​​​@@slayerbot1394That and British and Irish Lions tour. Only comes around every 12 years. We won that back to back as well ;)

[@slayerbot1394]

@@Alias-gy3tz so if one was to bring up an annual competition, thats irrelevant?lol

[@alfredbailey4290]

Fav moment - Manie’s no look cross kick🎉

[@Mikeup104]

Siya's tackle seemed to me to be primary hit on the ball and secondary head contact. people will argue, but i saw it as the ref's did for all the calls to be honest.

[@Patrick8804]

Siya was the second tackler and influenced 'by the late change in dynamics' caused by the first tackler Vermeulen which under the rules is a mitigation factor, which is why the TMO referred to change of dynamics when not upgrading to red.

[@Blackbeard0456]

Brilliant episode guys! Max's face when Ryan said the way England lost is his best moment! Pretty damn near pissed myself! 😂😂😂😂

[@markcrossman3356]

Saw Willem Alberts in a gym in Johannesburg once. Biggest guy I have ever seen. He is massive

[@SHUTUPNOWW9360]

FRANCO MOSTERT FOR S.A. IS SOO UNDERRATED

[@fohunter12345]

His nickname is 'Sous' = Afrikaans word for 'sauce'. You're right, the man who does the hard work in the dark places

[@kristian762]

Kriel pretty much stopped, changed direction, then took at least 3 steps in that direction before Cane smashes him. Not the same as a last split second change of direction into the contact.

[@bigjonS4]

Yeah, and he definitely threw the shoulder in

[@IronCross666]

You three guys are propably the only three Brits I like. Keep up the good stuff. Bye the way, best current full back Bauden Barrett, and i'm a South African. Best flyhalf must be Finn.

[@jameswyatt4443]

Barrett was not good this World Cup, Willemse, Ramos and Hugo Keenan were all better than him this World Cup.

[@IronCross666]

@@jameswyatt4443 True, but he did nothing wrong. Solid on defence and very good on attack. I always rated Barret as one of the best flyhalfs. His ability to get players into space and tactical kicking are sublime. Willemse had a poor game against England, and Ramos did not play in the final, the same with Keenan.

[@jameswyatt4443]

@@IronCross666 Barrett was no good on attack. He did almost nothing in the whole knockouts.

[@ntokzenndlovu-wg5od]

Lovely podcast gents. Just a quick reminder, in the QF South Africa vs France Springboks was down to 14men but France failed to capitalize. So 15v14 doesn't necessarily win you the match.

[@kristian762]

Just put PSDT at 6, Ardie at 7 and Aldritt at 8. Pretty badass back row if you ask me

[@RugbyDad-79]

"The way England lost to South Africa." - "That was my favorite moment." 🤣🤣🤣

[@gamebred369]

Springboks have an 83% win percentage for 2023 .

[@schneidervonhammer722]

Weirdly I have not seen a single one of these podcasts the entire RWC, was my fav rugby show, think they changed the name. 17:19 Classic line from max, it is these types of comments that mix Rugby with mainstream culture that resonate so well with the audience. Glad they are staying at the The Mandarin Oriental - classy show! Best one out there!!

[@gillianfortune570]

Yeah, it was strange that I didn't get any of the notifications during the World Cup. I watched their first episode of the new show just before the WC, on which Ryan said he'll be going on the cruise ship in France and thought that's why there was radio silence. Just binge all the episodes I missed. Loved Offload, and loving Maul or Nothing.

[@Cybernum2]

Kwagga Smith at 7(South African 6) most turnovers in the comp.

[@biltong5]

Thank YOU!!! 2011/2015 ABs were/are the greatest EVER. Winningest sports team - any sport, anywhere - in sports history. Consistency over time.

[@coatknight]

2011 It came their way. France was immense in that final while that year it felt like the Springboks had something special for them but didn't make it past the QF.

[@Kbyr083]

They won a Lions Series in btw World Cups and there was COVID too. And they do try and win all the time. We were struggling before in 2016/17 but started building in 2018

[@johncraig9011]

I reckon Barnes if anything favoured the mighty ABs in final. The try that ABs scored was forward from the hand and bounced forward. Kolbe in trying to make a tackle accidentally knocked the ball on ground and got carded. Ryan u a real jock, inviting death threats.

[@kevinewert8546]

I think these guys forget just how rubbish the Springboks were before Rassie and Jacques took over. The Springboks had been at the lowest point in their history, Rassie and Jacques scraped them together, accidentally won a RWC because they took advantage of a favourable draw, missed a year due to Covid, won a Lions series, then had two years to build the depth necessary to make it through their RWC draw. Of course there was going to be a building phase. What we all really want to see now is if Rassie and the Boks can maintain consistency now that the major rebuilding has been completed.

[@pock0077]

Won a British Irish Lions series which NZ failed to do

[@andy_olive]

SA might have been more dominant in between the World Cup if it hadn’t been for an entire season out cause of covid. We had to hit the ground running cold for the British and Irish Lions and the rest of the time was spent building depth which worked.

[@GamesTribeNow]

Love this trio - especially Ryan.

[@gillianfortune570]

Ryan is like a mischievous child that you'll let get away with all the mischief because there's never any malice. A great watch, especially because others peddle in controversy; and they don't.

[@boerieroll]

PSDT was also man of the match against Scotland

[@kristian762]

As a bok fan, i absolutely love watching the haka. I love the challenge, the cultural heritage. Few things upset me more than when the fans shout and drown out the haka and i cant bloody hear the passion. Really pisses me off. Really, really glad i could hear that world cup final haka from NZ. And im still proud that NZ debuted the Kapo o pango against us for the first time way back when.

[@realdudevision2746]

I love the Haka too

[@Mostlycars888]

Led by Tana in 2005....still THE best Kapa o Pango in history imo😍🤤

[@JM-ky2nm]

Piet Steph makes 28 tackles. All low. He flies in every time. If he can get it right other players should be able as well.

[@coatknight]

And he is huge.

[@KeithBonedoc]

Great banter - thanks for the entertainment!

[@notenoughstones3873]

For 7 (and I presume they mean open side flank), if you are looking for a fetcher type player who is all over the place in attack and defence, then Kwagga Smith was by far the best this year. He had 10 turnovers in the WC (3 more than any other player) and averages about 2-3 turnovers per game this year too. He scored tries, breaks through tackles and defends like a 120kg flanker even though he only weighs 93kg. People don’t talk about him because he rarely starts a game but if you are looking for an open side in the Ritchie McCaw mould, he is head and shoulders above everyone except for maybe Morgan.

[@dru0pa]

Guys, make sure that when you come out to South Africa, make sure to go watch the schools rugby festival to see where the talent comes from and see how ruff they play rugby.

[@andrewmay9943]

Well said: "The AB plays for the jersey and the Boks plays for the Nation". Siya was a very good Ambassador for our country.

[@shaankeegan4555]

Guys, they chose the world team before the world cup because they anticipated a northern hemisphere clean sweep, and then didn't get it. Remember, rankings mean nothing, form going in means little, we proved it in 2019 and England and NZ proved it in 2023.

[@Hrodwulf9]

Nope it was confirmed after the final, according to Drew Mitchell

[@shaankeegan4555]

@@Hrodwulf9 I saw that interview, I do not believe they were not pre-emptive choice, they were pissed at the Bok win across Europe.

[@kurukoei]

You say not enough Springboks in the WC team then proceed to select a team with not enough Springboks 😂

[@brandonstclair898]

Modern day rugby is too competitive to win every game. Everyone almost caught up with the ABs. It’s all about squad depth otherwise you’ll just be a good team winning 17 in a row but nothing to show in the WCs… oops too soon.

[@Sbu_Phakathwayo]

😂😂😂well said

[@peterwomersley]

@@Sbu_Phakathwayo And versatile covering various positions Kwagga could play wing 7's has really improved the Boks skill sets

[@nukzzz7886]

Weird statement

[@markbrown-sb2zm]

17 in a row with some rather fortuitous reffing.

[@Sbu_Phakathwayo]

@@markbrown-sb2zm 🤣🤣🤣wish I could see you whinge

[@BogartAus]

Just a wonderfully positive podcast well done boys!!

[@roryingle2246]

Great pod. Very balanced. Thumbs up from this Saffa

[@FrancoisSauer-ys3qc]

As individual players 2015 N.Z. had unbelievable players,as collective team think boks have it.

[@KarateGucci]

Such a good question leading to the answer Cane the Atlas of the AB pain ..

[@MitchellCryer]

Love these gents🇿🇦💪👍

[@Angie-om8tr]

Levani Botia at 7 💥 The guys a machine 💪

[@davidpeters3857]

Great content as usual

[@davidbrennan8671]

So hard to pick but here's my team of the tournament: 1. Ox 2. Mauvaka 3. Big Ben (Tonga) 4. Etzebeth 5. Whitelock 6. Kolisi 7. Martins (Portugal) (PSDT for the final performance alone could make it in) 8. Savea 9. Faf 10. Mo'unga 11. Telea 12. Aki 13. Nayacalevu 14. Arendse 15. Keenan Shoutouts for Fourie and Kwagga so impactful off the bench, feels like they're finally getting the recognition they deserve! Great episode as always boys, although Marc your analogies need some working on!

[@JohnMichaels-fs7bi]

As a South African, we not the greatest rugby team ever because the All blacks has the best winning rate. We are the best RWC team EVER! and this cannot even be debate.

[@MyPaddy2011]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. I've always been a big fan of comedy. This is GOLD.👍

[@RugbyDad-79]

The analysis of the Sam Cane red card by actual players really gives one another perspective. I mean, it takes seconds to make a decision and also to defy gravity and velocity.

[@coatknight]

Frizzell's croc roll on Bongi was worse but it shows how cards are a mess.

[@JKMeZmA]

Team of the WC: 1. Ox Nche 2. Peato Mauvaka 3. Tyrel Lomax 4. Eben Etzebeth 5. Scott Barrett 6. Siya Kolisi 7. Peter Steph Du Toit 8. Ardie Savea 9. Aaron Smith 10. Richie Mo’unga 11. Mark Telea 12. Bundee Aki 13. Wasea Nayacalevu 14. Damien Penaud 15. Will Jordan 16. Bongi Mbonambi 17. Ethan De Groot 18. Tadgh Furlong 19. RG Sneyman 20. Charles Olivion 21. Villiame “Bill” Mata 22. Antoine DuPont 23. Beauden Barrett I think it’s been so sad to see so much hate again for Wayne Barnes, and this time from NZ, rather than before where it’s been SA, and France with those threats (see GBR pod with him for all on it).

[@klt9257]

As a South African I can say that the Richie McCaw ABs are the greatest ever. This is the best bok team ever. But only on world cup success. The 2007 team was probably our most dominant team on win consistency. But we are very happy

[@cobusbrits2]

Boks development were stunted from the beginning. Rassie and Nienaber hardly had time to put a team together for 2019. Then Covid put paid to development for two years, they were lucky to put a team out for the Lions series which they won, 2015 AB's couldnt. Then just 2 years development for the 2023 WC tournament. Boks havent really had a full cycle to develop.

[@markbrown-sb2zm]

True,they had 18 months of training for 2019 won it. 1 week training since 2019 wc for lions,won it at a csnter. 3 years for 2023 wc,every other team had 4 years,won it. 5:51

[@jamesmarch2195]

Best rugby podcast going 👏🏻

[@revanomichael]

As Saffas we love and respect your unbiased takes!

[@dougerrohmer]

This is the first time I caught you guys, and I really enjoyed it. Just a request - who are you guys? Can't you put your names in the first comment so we can google you? Dunno who you are, my bad, but help me out here.

[@matthieulight3572]

My girlfriend said we needed some artwork on the walls, that masterpiece will go perfectly above the bed.

[@MetYsJa]

Without Marx the boks couldnt get the usual set piece dominance, or the turnovers to use the maul. They found a different way to win. Nz 2015 couldn't win without mccaw.

[@RugbyDad-79]

great episode gents... flew past it felt like a 15min episode.

[@craigscoinpurse]

hahaha great show lads! sheesh i was in tears a few times. hahaha

[@WinterWeaver]

We just going to ignore the lions series guys? Not to mention that during that period we had to do that during covid lockdowns.

[@kiwiyasss8644]

Red card or not, Boks were always going to find a way to win. They dominated the first half and the game management in the second was world class

[@coatknight]

That's what Conrad Smith alluded to at the award ceremony. He felt the Boks closed up shop and played low risk rugby in the 2nd half and if they were behind would open up more if needed. It was a tactical master class between various astute coaches on both sides. Squidge Rugby has an interesting take on it all.

[@jacksonvanvuuren5582]

Look at the world cup history 😍. SA 4 out of 8 = 50 %. NZ 3 out of 10 =30%. Aus 2 out of 10 =20%. SA by a margin the best world cup team in history 😄 😅😅😊🎉🎉🎉

[@AK-wc9rl]

I agree but the margins are so fine. Jordie gets the final kick and suddenly NZ wins 3 out of the last 4 tournaments which is an unbelievable achievement really. Nothing between these teams.

[@jacksonvanvuuren5582]

@@AK-wc9rl yes, but if??

[@jacksonvanvuuren5582]

@@AK-wc9rl SA 3 out of 4 away from home. NZ 2 out of e at home 🏡 😴

[@KlipDriftCoke]

Thank you for saying that. We supposed to have six by now. The Springboks are the greatest in history and statistics are generally facts according to people on earth.

[@notenoughstones3873]

@@AK-wc9rlprobably true but I have a feeling that THIS specific Bok team would have found a way to get more points to win. Don’t have any facts are stats to back this up but I genuinely believe that they would have found a way, like they did against England and France.

[@MR-tb4po]

Ryan’s suggestion that the idiots out there send all their death threats to him and the boys just made the other two stall for a second … Max looked genuinely concerned 😂

[@Freezable]

Kwagga Smith at 7 for the insane impact off the bench game in game out

[@stevebuchmann9868]

SA in 2007 and 2011 were packed full of superheroes as good as NZ: midfield of JDV and Olivier bossed everybody. Lost to NZ by 2 in 2015 with the best lock partnership that’s ever lived.

[@davidrabbolini6574]

Well done fellas.

[@seamus808state]

SA competes with Forex. Players can earn 3 times more in UK, France and Japan. So, even if they put their best players on the field for the Championship, they have travelled 50 hours to get there from all over the world. We don't believe we are the best team ever - that is the AB circa 2011-2015, but we do believe, and the stats back that up, that they are the best RWC team ever. A 50% win record in indisputable. NZ at 30%, Aus at 20% and the entire NH at 10%. Also, ABs have one 2 of their 3 in New Zealand.

[@cedricparker945]

Think of the Bok players who were there - but surplus to requirements in the knock out phase: Lukanyo Am; Canan Moodie; Andre Esterhuizen; Grant Williams; Marco van Staden; Jason Hendrikse; Marvin Orie! Most of them would have walked into most other teams at the World Cup

[@cedricparker945]

The fact that the Springboks use Test Matches between World Cups to try out combinations and to develop budding talent is good for the team. No country had the pool of top class talent at their disposal that the Boks did. Every fan remembers who won the World Cup. Very few know the percentage wins achieved between World Cups by their teams. As a Bok fan, I love the fact that we’ll enjoy at least an 8 year reign as the premier team in the world - even if we do lose more games than the All Blacks

[@coatknight]

I think the Boks want to win as much as possible but COVID affected their plans to build depth.

[@kslice810]

The SA Bench won them the RWC - why not then have Kwagga as the #7 for the world XV? He was the best 2nd half player in the world.. not even close.

[@EmmanuelSwartz]

What about south africa being rugby and cricket world champions at the same time

[@kristofergirhammar4457]

Marcos Kremer #7 for the tackle record, beard and effed ears 🥦

[@robertwood6297]

Barnes and gang had a good game

[@mickeymarch14]

Yes they are!!!!

[@colettemoolman4410]

Lol rabid raccoon remark made me think of that scene in Guardians of the Galaxy 3 where Rocket messed up the villains face. Of course Rocket's team is going to win after everyone and everything was against them 😁

[@WarrenFelix]

💚❤️💚🏆🏆🏆🏆🇿🇦Great content lads!!🤙

[@Mr-Litch]

Nice pod lads

[@hlangaful]

But it's impossible to have a Mccaw; Kaino; Carter; Nonu; Smith; J Savea; Skadder; SBW in the same team...that team could go for it every game. I would say this Boks team is the best World Cup team ever. The journey, the wins and the determination...best run ever.

[@apeman2981]

Much better than GBR. Top drawer lads.

[@rodwellchigome7567]

On the Haka note there, as a Saffa, shame man. Have to feel for Sam Cane. Could see how intense and up for the war he was there. I have no doubt that between our two countries, we would have just hoped for yellows to remain and go no further. They were all accidents and of no malice. And the kiwis tend to play better with 14 men. We were very happy with the firt half's proceedings.

[@roycep1737]

At 7? Pieter Steph bruhh?

[@wihanjansevanrensburg436]

PSTD is a 7, but what about Kwagga at 6?

[@pinnacleXtherapy]

Guy’s, SA won WC 2019, beat the LIONS and then WC 2023 and in between this, thrashed NZ, Argentina, Australia, Wales and England to mention a few. Mmmmmmm

[@richardparnell7584]

But no Freedom Cup or Rugby Championship right? FYI winner a kick contest requires one good player. Scoring a try requires a team.

[@pinnacleXtherapy]

@@richardparnell7584 funny how people think SA just kick. It’s laughable. The final was played in the rain so any clever team will play to the conditions. On a dry pitch, SA play completely differently. Just count the tries eg: go back to Twickenham against the AB’s all the way back to the 2019 WC final. You’ll be surprised

[@richardparnell7584]

@@pinnacleXtherapy New Zealand knows what to expect with South Africa. The Boks play the same style most of the time as the ABs do. The Boks know the ABs game and the ABs know the Boks. The Boks are very capable of attacking rugby. What it came down to was the Boks got all there points over and the ABs didn't. The sad thing is that the Boks is moving away from the Southern hemisphere to play with the northern hemisphere and the game becoming lower and dominanted by forward packs slowing the game down and looking for penalties. It like losing a cousin to another family. It was a kicking contest in the end. Your not going to convert new fans to the game if that is how we move forward with Rugby. We don't want to go back to how the game was played before 1990s where the forward pack just smashed the opposition and nobody scored tries. The die hards and forwards will love it, but I can tell you it was shit to watch and not worth paying good money in the rain to watch. The game needs speed to attract more fans. That is why the 7s game is becoming more popular. That is why one day cricket makes more money than test cricket.

[@pinnacleXtherapy]

@@richardparnell7584 each to their own. This WC had some amazing games and I personally think the fan base has grown. Obviously it would have been great if France won it as their people would have gone nuts and interest would have peaked in Europe. It wasn’t to be so up the SOUTH.

[@richardparnell7584]

@@pinnacleXtherapy Rugby is in danger of a collapse in Australia. It's a serious issue that will effect the game in the southern hemisphere. Ireland rugby has grown in popularity, but lets be honest here, New Zealand Rugby has played a part in it. Kiwi's have played and coach in almost every country in Europe. Rugby player, coaches and rugby support staff are probably New Zealands biggest export after dairy products and Lord of the rings actors. The numbers of kids playing rugby in schools is on the decline in most countries and the real future markets for rugby haven't been taped into. America, China and India to name a few. There a few Kiwi's working in America at the moment. And when they all retire they come back to New Zealand to use the free health care. 😅

[@IwasInThe60s]

Yes, the 2023 vintage is.

[@StevenBenjaminAuthor]

I think in context - this Bok team, in terms of the 4yr cycle, the didn't play in 2020, then they had the B&I Lions in 2021, and then had to build for the WC. So, there is context to not dominating, in that they chose to focus on the WC rather than chasing a no1 ranking like the Irish. BUt this next cycle we'll see how the Boks go, and what sort of stance they take

[@ivanmynhardt]

the point here is the greatest team which comprises of 23 players not just 15

[@robertwood6297]

Jesse Kriel was star material

[@thegulagarchipelago5921]

Du Pont is not there yet!!!!

[@dn822]

Unbelievable how the All Blacs kept coming for us. We now basically have a bench better then the starting line up and we still could not brake them down. Something to be very proud of. If we lost this I would have just conceded and let it be.

[@alexmunro8231]

Do you take into account that springbok management does not have full access to the players between world cups. This they was also spent building 2 packs.

[@jpnel951]

Max still looks a bid sad that springboks beat england in the semis..

[@paulterry1335]

4sure 👊💪🏆

[@Robbybabes1988]

Love this show! Nice getting insight from players. Please keep them coming!

[@Jacquesjot]

Hey guys, just tell the Boks they are the greatest team of all time! Otherwise they will come to 2027 to prove a point😄

[@daviddorfan9023]

I think it is quite clear why Cane got a red. His whole approach to tackling is dangerous as the stance and body trajectory leave a very narrow window to avoid head contact. This means you are taking a chance but the consequence is going to be a red..Cane is not the only player to use this tackle technique, others include Farrell and Kriel

[@hansvanniekerk2334]

PSDT, ARDIE AND ALDRITT. Scary backrow that

[@suewalsh3976]

I am still trying to work out why Ireland did not face the hakka and chose to form 3 circles instead?

[@vidalisik2798]

It was a tribute to the late Anthony Foley, the former Munster and Ireland number eight who died in his sleep in Paris in 2016.

[@suewalsh3976]

Oh thank you for that I did not know may his soul rest in peace@@vidalisik2798

[@jameswyatt4443]

DuPont is not the greatest scrum half ever, he’s not even top 3. Aaron Smith, Fourie Du Preez and Joost van der Westhuizen.

[@riccardovanwyk8188]

Pollard never missed one kick in this World cup. Nerves of steel under pressure. Tackled like a African Lion give the Guy some credit Guy's. Two World cup finals got to count for something, because it should be about who absorbed the under pressure moments and still produces the Goods.

[@mickjames7896]

Hey boys great show Just a reminder on the red card tackle You guys said it in the show “you don’t want to be memed “ And that’s what cane didn’t want either so he smashed him but got it wrong

[@lilianhaggland2031]

You guyz are so natural,iI love it,i of cos from the crazy raccoon nation.....Did you ever watch how the springbok(the animal) survive predators in Africa. the lions,hyenas,leapard,etc etc,find out you might understand the will of The Bokke to survive,to win,to overcome much better,and by the way,who even remember the in between games and test matches ..we win world cups,thats our goal,we dont win battles,we win THE WAR.....so yes we are the GOATS....no matter what others think or say, the proof is in the pudding,and let the record show...

[@xhosaonthemove2598]

Watching this show was frustrating, you guys are speaking about group games and stuck in the Qf, newsflash! There was a final and 2 semi finals, to watch and hear about the losers it sad

[@JM-ky2nm]

Did the AB’s win a Lions series?

[@LeonKlynsmith-wk6oh]

Yes they are the best rugby team ever in history rugby

[@gkmarais]

Two Away back to back games.

[@martjollands4200]

Cane's tackle was a liberty, same as Scott Barrett's on Marx at Twickenham warm-up game, both tackles lost ABs the games. Slow learners........lose WCs.