Are The Withereds and FNaF 1 Animatronics Really the Same? - FNaF Theory

We've been told for nearly a decade now that the Withered animatronics get refurbished into the FNAF 1 animatronics, but is this really true or is this another lie made up by Fazbear entertainment?
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Music:
Pizzeria Simulator - Alchemist's Fantasy
Pizzeria Simulator - Smashing Windshields
Schlatt Crossing - The 25th Hour
Vivaldi - Winter
Security Breach - Caught in a Loop (Princess Quest Theme)
Security Breach - Elevator 3
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:18 The Question
02:28 Where the Withereds Went
03:36 How The Theories Work Together
05:57 Where Did The FNAF 1 Animatronics Come From Then
08:54 Recap (Story Time)
10:40 Outro

[@bleeep3064]

Why is this a debate😭 the withereds were refurbished and remodeled into the classics thats why theyre still possesed

[@Blood660]

Evidence

[@SCP-469]

@@Blood660The newspaper when you complete the game This video is useless

[@bleeep3064]

@@Blood660 newspaper at the end of fnaf 2 and also the fact that the fnaf 1 characters are possessed by the same spirits as the withereds and also common sense? Why would Scott put at the end of 2 that there keeping the withereds for a possible reopening on a smaller budget and then never bring that back up.

[@CouncilRug]

Yeah no I though I missed something when i clicked on this vid but nah, they literally just remodelled the withers into the fnaf 1 animatronics

[@just_martin8002]

Are we really talking about a thing that people found out like nearly a decade ago ._.

[@chadpace6291]

Theres some good observations here, but the fnaf 1 animatronics cant be new. Phone guy says theyve been singing the same songs for 20 years, and never got a bath.

[@TerminalError]

That's a good point. My response to that would be that fazbear lied to everyone and said they were the same animatronics probably so they could get away with paying the night guard minimum wage and save money since it was supposed to be a lesser budget anyway.

[@grizzly7160]

he probably meant the mascots themselves, or scott didn't think about it while writing it in 2014 as he had no plans for a sequel while making the first game.

[@chadpace6291]

@@grizzly7160 well the quote is "uh, the ANIMATRONIC characters here do get a bit quirky at night, but do I blame them? No. If I were forced to sing those same stupid songs for 20 years and I never got a bath? I'd probably be a bit irritable at night too." So hes definetly talking about the animatronics. If scott changed that, then its definetly a retcon.

[@chadpace6291]

@@TerminalError I think theres some things to look at here for sure. I just think that theres something off about the fnaf 1 ani's being new. I think we need to figure out a better way around that. Does anybody know what ani's are in the furnace of ennards level in help wanted? Is it the withereds or fnaf1 guys? Maybe that could help.

[@Handunit-bl6gi]

I don’t think he means it literally

[@xharerae]

Redesign. That's it - that's the whole reason for why they look different. Redesigns have been a common thing in FNAF for such a long time(Springtrap to Scraptrap changes, Baby to Scrap Baby, the new redesigns in VR games and the constantly changing minigame sprite designs for the same characters being the peak of this situation). Scott has been redesigning some animatronics any time his soul feels like redesigning, so the withered-classic differences may be just the earliest example of this situation. Scotty doesn't like doing retcons, but he seems to like doing redesigns.

[@German_Empire_Enjoyer]

That’s literally not though? Everybody is overthinking this for no reason. The withereds were refurbished into the classics after Fnaf 2. The classics have the same spirits, and the newspaper at the end of Fnaf 2 confirms it. Idk why the Fnaf fandom loves the overcomplicate things

[@treyvonlavell7334]

@@German_Empire_Enjoyer I'm pretty sure OP is talking about the designs in general, not the withering on them. In-universe, they were used for parts and left to rot. In reality, the canon designs are of the originals in FNAF 1. The reason why the Withereds look so drastically different from the previous models (including the endos) is simply due to Scott not wanting to do the same thing twice, AKA redesign.

[@German_Empire_Enjoyer]

@@treyvonlavell7334 I mean yeah but it’s incredibly obvious in canon that the classics and withered are different animatronics. The withereds were the originals back in the 80’s or whatever and they were turned into the classics after Fnaf 2

[@treyvonlavell7334]

@@German_Empire_Enjoyer ...So they're the same animatronics then? Them being completely and totally rebuilt into the originals makes less sense than just being repaired with better suits and endo parts. The Withereds and Classics, despite being the same robots, are different models. They have different suits and endoskeletons. You can't just rebuild something into another thing without changing it entirely. Because of this, it's more likely that they're just redesigns of the previous versions, just more broken and deteriorated.

[@German_Empire_Enjoyer]

@@treyvonlavell7334 Yes bro exactly. They were *Refurbished* into the classics. What’s annoying is that a ton of people are acting like the withereds and classics are the exact same characters, and Scott just made them look different in the games.

[@CaptainFishtank]

Ok I actually love the idea of the withered's casing being used for the fnaf 4 experiments. It connects Dittophobia to the rest of the series in a meaningful way, and adds depth to why Afton created the Funtimes. Great video!!

[@TerminalError]

Thank you! I'm really glad you liked it!

[@epicdinobattleboy5713]

@@TerminalError fnaf 4 takes place in 1983

[@WolfMasterIsHere]

@@TerminalErrorThe Animatronics Were melted down and re built to be different such as getting rid of the bars to avoid injury due to the Bites of 87 and 83 they also got new exoskeletons and Scott Loves to cause confusion so he might have put the toys Sprites to look like the withered animatronics

[@averageopeenjoyer1835]

That wouldn’t make sense FNAF 4 is before FNAF 2

[@OzzysCoolVideos2.0]

@@TerminalError What’s Willy’s Wonder Land’s theory?

[@Wizardjones69]

two things: in 1983-1985 they made the classics endo 01, after the mci they make the endo 02 to fit the old costumes, so they made the unwithereds in 1986, after they started smelling bad and the complaining of the parents, they scrap them and make the toys for 1987, in 1988-1993 they brought back the old designs from 83 with the endo 01

[@socialistre]

Nope! The withereds are from Fredbear and freinds

[@Wizardjones69]

@@socialistre and fredbear and friends uses fall fest freddy's designs that are the fnaf 1 animatronics

[@renaldoedwards1750]

You had me at first but the moment u started saying that fnaf 1 Animatronics Wasn't haunted you lost me 💀

[@TerminalError]

That's fair. I knew that's where I'd lose people. It was either make them run off the Mimic or make some part of each animatronic not get melted down and that part just so happens to be used in the new animatronic making them haunted again. To me, it seemed like one was more likely to happen but less likely to be accepted by the community and vise versa for the other.

[@jason72382]

@@TerminalError You lost me at FNAF 4 after 1987 because what about the bite of 83?

[@minedantaken1684]

​@@jason72382 what about the bite of 83? Let's all forget about it!

[@joshuawynne329]

@@jason72382he’s talking about gameplay, this video is a stretch, but it’s been widely known that the FNAF 4 gameplay takes place a while after the FNAF 4 minigames for years.

[@JoesMama-ci3yl]

New theory: Scott is bullshiting and has no idea how the timeline works himself. There are too many things that should be retcons.

[@rakso3099]

The thing is that fnaf 1 was open twice. First time fnaf 1 was open, there were model of models from fnaf 2. When fnaf 1 closed, animatronics were used for parts for toys. When fnaf 2 closes, fnaf 1 will be reopened with new rebuilded animatronics with models we know today. Im saying fnaf 1 and 2 all the time because Im now sure of pizzerias names

[@user-ju4vf7mg5o]

But hey that's just a theory a game theory we miss you matpat 😢😢

[@antonioscholten]

FNAF 1 was not before FNAF 2, it's not yet confirmed if it was Unwithered or just Fredbear's

[@thatoneintrovert9618]

Yeah ​@@antonioscholtenbut phone guy says in FNaF 2 "you may have noticed there are no doors for you to close" and "you don't have to worry about the place going dark." Implying that the location after Fredbear's but before FNaF 2 was the FNaF 1 location. After FNaF 2, the FNaF 1 location was reopened with the classic animatronics redesigned from the withereds.

[@socialistre]

Nope! The withereds are from Fredbear and freinds

[@DubboArchives]

@@thatoneintrovert9618bro mustve been born yesterday

[@kokichistextingstory374]

The answer is simple,after we beat night 6 in Fnaf 2 we see a news paper and it said that the restaurant is closing down and the toys will be dismantled while the withered animatronics will be reused and Gets fixed and obviously the withered would get new upgrade and Gets new Endoskeleton and new costume

[@TerminalError]

I do think that was the original intention for the withereds, but I think William made a plan to use the animatronics differently than how the company wanted and did his own thing

[@lamotou4banana383]

​@@TerminalError There's no evidence for that, Scott redesigns characters all the time and just did the same thing here

[@ManLikeEddy]

@@lamotou4banana383 exactly this guy is just wasting your time

[@jaydajuvenile2631]

@@TerminalErrorbased onnnnnn what?

[@CalderTF2]

​@@TerminalErrorIt came to me in a dream type comment

[@nikolaytablet1394]

The FNAF 1 animatronics are clearly possesed and are clearly just fixed and redesigned versions of the withereds and Follow me should be happening after FNAF 1 and i think the locations from FNAF 1 and 2 owned by Henry and not William i also think the FNAF 4 animatronics are build by William specifically for those experiments Even thought i don't think that theory is true i still like the idea

[@MinMin4theWinWin]

The only issue that really blows your theory about the fnaf 1 animatronics not being haunted but just the mimic ai are golden freddy himself and the hallucinations that are implied to be the spirits.

[@Ninjamaze]

The fnaf 1 animatronics are haunted. The toy animatronics are not.

[@TerminalError]

I would day golden freddy isn't included in this making him the only spirit in the fnaf 1 building. It never made sense to me that fazbear would remake or fix an animatronic they were never going to use. My other video covering golden Freddy's hat color goes more in depth on what I think happened to golden freddy

[@TerminalError]

The fnaf 1 animatronics are just as haunted as the toy animatronics. Take that how you will

[@ayeshamess]

@@Ninjamaze Actually, NONE of them are haunted, all the games before fnaf help wanted are JUST games, not part of the lore at all

[@ayeshamess]

BTW that was sarcasm and i just need to put that out there how no ones absolutely devastated that the original pre steelwool scott fnaf games are also just games in the universe and that they mean little to nothing in the lore

[@azimuddin1890]

My answer: They just want to look different.

[@palokyu9891]

Have you considered that the reason they look different is that they are silly goofy little guys

[@azimuddin1890]

@@palokyu9891 That’s what I’m saying, they’re goofy goobers that want to look different each game.

[@palokyu9891]

@@azimuddin1890 exactly, they’re devious rapscallions who are a bit quirky

[@azimuddin1890]

@@palokyu9891 Oh especially that Foxster fellow, I think his name is Bonnie or something. Oh yee, Yellow Bonnie too, he had a rounder head in F.N.A.F.3 and looked like Withered Freddy with a squished head in F.N.A.F.6 with tiny rabbit ears.

[@azimuddin1890]

@Spring_bonnie_the_rabbit Correct Springster, it’s a sequel prequel!

[@FunkyJunkyArchives]

Thought it was obvious that they just used parts from the Withered when making the FNAF 1 animatronics hence why they aren’t a 1:1 copy

[@TerminalError]

Phone guy says they are used for parts but says this when the toys are still around. I think those parts were used for the toys, not the fnaf 1 animatronics.

[@charajaznao2829]

Good theory. The FNAF2 withered animatronic for sure were used in the FNAF4 experiments, but i don't think the FNAF1 animatronics are necessarily Mimic program for a simple reason. Scott didn't put any "mimic" during those times in any kind of media (nor the games, nor the books, nor the guides). I could plausibly think that the FNAF2 toy animatronics were use in some kind of way to make the FNAF1 animatronic (not only bc they are the most similar ones but they could be other endo 01 animatronics put into the case of the refactored Toy animatronics (thats why they would lack the facial recognition technology, but also because the puppet didn't follow them, when the puppet is usually trying to take care of the souls of the childrens). I would argue that you are almost alone in the office of FNAF1, only being haunted by golden freddy who is kinda absurd when it comes to powers (since he don't need an endo to haunt someone).

[@TerminalError]

That's not a bad theory. I went into this only thinking fazbear lied about the withered animatronics being the same as the fnaf 1 animatronics, but it would also make sense for them to lie about scrapping the toy animatronics as well.

[@officergreg1318]

The fnaf 2 animatronics couldn’t have been used in fnaf 4. Fnaf 4 happened in 1983. Fnaf 2 was 1987…

[@fuerzadelaoldschool2851]

@@officergreg1318 The CC incident happens in 1983 (minigames), there is no way of knowing for sure who is the protagonist of FNaF 4, so it can happen anytime

[@kaboomboy6509]

Why would the fnaf 2 and fnaf 1 animatronics be different fnaf two is a prequel to fnaf one which means that something has to happen to change the witherds man if only we could see that happen OH YEA we CAN! It is stated in the newspaper that the toys are being scraped due to not working right, and the withered will be revamped and brought back. *so why do they look different?” You may be asking and to that o answer with a question; why were the witherds left to rot in the first place? BECAUSE THEY WERE DEEMED TO SCARY FOR THE CHILDREN! So of course the fnaf 1 animatronics are gonna look different than the witherds because they were to scary!

[@TerminalError]

The newspaper never says they are getting revamped. It says they are getting kept in the hopes of a reorganization of the company. They want to keep them because they know these animatronics work and they'll be working with a smaller budget if they can manage to open again. Now if something happens to the animatronics before the new location opens, let's say William steals them to make nightmare experiments and funtime animatronics, then the company would be forced to make new animatronics for the new location or be forced to shut down for good.

[@socialistre]

Nope! The withereds are from Fredbear and freinds😊

[@Thebigem]

BRUH, I unironically got a FNAF AD for a FNAF Video 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@JoeMama17779]

if they arent haunted , where did the blood dripping out of the animatronics come from?

[@TerminalError]

I'm assuming you mean the blood referenced in the fnaf 1 newspapers. I think those newspapers are all referencing the animatronics after the MCI, but before the building gets closed so the bleeding would be the withered animatronics (maybe before they are withered).

[@molamola9723]

Probably the same reason why peanuttrap looks so different from springtrap

[@TerminalError]

Stormister actually has a great video on that topic exactly! If you haven't seen it already, I highly suggest it

[@drlolzsilllyz]

@@TerminalError my idea on that is that its a bit of golden freddys suit

[@Private-Potato]

Peanuttrap is canon in our hearts

[@CobbleBompster]

Meh, I still don’t think that’s a good enough reason to disprove it.

[@GuadiansOfTheUniverse]

Great theory but it has ONE problem… the Nightmare animatronics were most likely created around the time 1983 because of the home that we are in during the near bite of 83, the Withered animatronics were in the time of 87 which couldn’t be possible unless the Withered’s were made BEFORE the Nightmares were made. The evidence given seems to be more around the Sister Location animatronics but the code pad that is near the Fredbear plush needs the code “1983” which shows the cameras to FNAF 4, this implies that Sister Location was created after Fredbear’s Family Diner was built. Which means that the Withered’s couldn’t be made AFTER the bite of 1987, the Nightmare’s seem more newer than the Withered’s. If anyone doesn’t believe this theory, than try to figure out on your know.

[@alexjackyperson101]

Then don't forget fnaf 3, fnaf 3 have the withered parts there

[@GuadiansOfTheUniverse]

@@alexjackyperson101 Yes, but the phantoms aren’t real but could be the souls of some of the animatronics OR could be a hallucination.

[@FloridaBoyOnYoutube]

​@@GuadiansOfTheUniverseThe nightmares aren't real either, they are literally in the kid's head. They're not called NIGHTMARE animatronics for nothing.

[@GuadiansOfTheUniverse]

@@FloridaBoyOnKZbin yes I know but though it is in the kids head… why would Willam have cams in the sister location office and have cameras where the nightmare Bonnie and Chica attack at if I remember

[@FloridaBoyOnYoutube]

@@GuadiansOfTheUniverse No idea, but I recently saw a video talking about the entire fnaf storyline from fnaf 4 all the way to security breach, and the guy said that William Afton implemented the nightmare animatronics in the kid's head to scare him away from getting close with any animatronics so that the kid didn't get killed by one like how Elizabeth got killed previously. And he also mentioned that William Afton put secret cameras in the kid's room to monitor him or something like that. It was all strange to me.

[@9hearts00]

It's actually because when they repaired the animitronics they changed there design

[@Cargo_Plush_Productions]

You know what? You did a good job with this video! (I watched it on TV without loggin in so it can looks like I didnt watched it on gram or whatever) And your timeline going pretty neat! Cant wait for more! Keep the good job :D

[@josukejoestarhigashikata745]

Great Theory! Counterpoint: The Mimic is a Steel Wool plot point.

[@TerminalError]

True, but that doesn't mean Scott doesn't agree with the Mimic. After all, he still put his name on the tales stories that first gave us the Mimic

[@joshuathonplays2571]

I’m pretty sure the classic animatronics are from different times. The phone guy also said they retrofitted the older animatronics with some of the newer technology.

[@draimobthedragon-wolf8244]

Yeah and FNaF 1 took place on 1993 (as its shown on the check at the end) and FNaF 2 was in 1987 (shown the same way FNaF 1 show it's date) so withered animatronics were made either during FNaF 4 (or Fredbear's family diner if you want to go by pizzerias, 1983) or around 1985 after the bite of 83 (where the crying child dies in Fredbears mouth) and the withered are the ones possesed, them the "old Freddy's" closed and they ysed withereds as spare parts for toys which could explain why they also move alongside withereds at night, then toys were scrapped completely after location from FNaF 2 got shut down snd they reused withereds to either upgrade them and change their suits to be the FNaF 1 animatronics or they were scrapped and destroyed like the toys and Fazbear Entertainment ysed some of the parts from withered animatronics while building the new models which is why FNaF 1 animatronics are possesed. But that's just a theory, a game theory! (Btw sorry for my bad English. It's not my first language)

[@joshuathonplays2571]

@@draimobthedragon-wolf8244 no problem mate it’s all good 👍🏻.

[@epicgamer-qh3vc]

​@@draimobthedragon-wolf8244FNAF 1 doesn't reveal the year on the check

[@SeenaSMP]

Ive always had a doubt about this part of fnaf thanks for explaining it in much detail you have earned a new sub!

[@klausjager1826]

Man, i just bumped into Your video, but it's amazing to watch! Keep it up! Also you Sir have magnificent McCartney style moustache :D

[@Gamebryo]

lol why do people debate this The withereds are the animatronics from the old Fredbear’s location. That’s where phone guy said that they got them. At the end, it says that the old characters are being kept in hopes of a new location. Fnaf 2 takes place in 1987, where fnaf 1 takes place in 92-93 I believe.

[@ben.romusic]

I really like your theory, but I think that it was confirmed in the Dittophobia story that the nightmare animatronics weren't actual animatronics, but mannequins that combined with your biggest fears, they would look like them. But the idea of the withereds being used for the FNAF 4 experiments is pretty cool!

[@TerminalError]

Thank you! I do think dittophobia says that they are blank mannequins, but to me, it makes more sense that the gas would make intense nightmares of what you are already seeing. Otherwise, how would the kid see different animatronics at each door and not just see the same ones. Obviously, there is no real evidence for this, but it just logically makes sense to me. Also, Scott originally said there weren't Easter eggs in fnaf 4 because they had meaning behind them, and the designs matching feels like it's one of these choices that had a meaning.

[@Fatigue023]

@@TerminalError It's that kind of series, it doesn't need to make a whole lot of sense.

[@MCAiryn]

I think Fnaf 4 is the crying child having a nightmare after being put into a coma.

[@ben.romusic]

@@MCAiryn It's not CC. We can hear things such as the FNAF 1 phone call from the first, meaning that it's Michael the one who has the nightmares. But to me it's just Michael dreaming about the times he was put in the experiments by his dad.

[@Linconian]

I like your theory, you did good research. No matter how I feel about the topic I do think that it's great to have these kind of debates.

[@MCAiryn]

I just subscribed. This is a good video. Keep up the great work!

[@SpyDoTF2]

Your questions in the beginning of the videos that lead to this theory can be debunked pretty easily. The withereds aren’t in the blob because 2 things, first, the withereds are the fnaf 1 animatronics, second, the animatronics in the blob aren’t the real animatronics from fnaf 1 and all that, the blob is the mimic’s victims possessing the endo parts and stealing parts from rockstar row that aren’t parts from the possessed animatronics because they were molten into the Funtimes. We never saw the withereds again in any game because fazbear ent doesn’t want for the public to know about them, why would you advertise broken robots in your restaurants? “Why does normal Bonnie is missing his face in pizza party?” I’ve seen a theory that I believe in that states that the fixed withereds never existed. Also, if the fnaf 1 animatronics weren’t possessed then why would fnaf 3 have the fnaf 1 animatronics in pieces instead of the withereds?

[@marcsrandomstuff9421]

Oh, you do make a good point and this also just reminded me the one thing that’s debunking this video theory is the withered foxy arm hanging out of the box in the office in FNaF 3. If William really did take the suits and the endos then why would there be a full withered foxy arm in the box.

[@SpyDoTF2]

@@marcsrandomstuff9421 Thanks mate

[@marcsrandomstuff9421]

No problem. 👍

[@marcsrandomstuff9421]

There’s also something that I don’t really understand here if the FNaF 1 animatronics were really not possessed then why was the puppet following them around? Referring to the starting cutscene in FNaF 2. And also adds onto this debunk is that the puppet follow the souls and parts of the animatronics to the FNaF 3 location. If the animatronics really weren’t possessed then what’s the point of the puppet following them? Edit: Oh yeah right I also forgot to mention this FNaF 3 bad and good ending debunked the theory because it shows the souls of the original, I am animatronics inside of the heads.

[@SpyDoTF2]

@@marcsrandomstuff9421 The puppet isn’t in the fnaf 3 location, that’s a hallucination because the giant golden Freddy head in fnaf 2 also has a reflection. The fnaf 2 cutscenes, I don’t know if I believe that the puppet is on the fnaf 1 location of not.

[@krrissty]

I think the simplest theory and the most logical one is that fazbear entertainment took the withereds to fnaf 1 and rebuild/remodeled them to look like the ones from fnaf 1 thats why only signs of the fnaf 1 animatronics still exist in security breach cuz the withereds dont exist anymore they basically got transformed into the ones from fnaf 1

[@retrov5469]

Interesting theory about the mimics program being implemented into the classics, I don't know how I feel about it yet, but I'm open to more ideas of the mimic interfering in the early fnaf games Great video and theory overall, I especially liked the part where you took off your tie and refrenced RyeToast, keep up the good work, can't wait to see what other theories you make next :)

[@TerminalError]

Thank you! I'm really glad you liked it, and I hope to keep making my videos even better!

[@Eddieavina123]

Love your video and keep up the great work. You are awesome, and I'm a new subscriber

[@mubestvideos586]

I really think that he melted the toy animatronics down to make the funtime animatronics. Because, where did the DCI go after FNaF 2? Scrapped just means that they were withered, so they could still be possessed. We already know that the MCI victims’ souls were released in FNaF 3, so the DCI victims’ souls would’ve been released from Molten Freddy in FNaF 6. Not to mention that the funtime and toy animatronics have many physical similarities (compare Funtime foxy with mangle). And if FNaF 4 happened after 1987, then how does the bite of 83 exist? But your theories are quite interesting. Another nice video!

[@V1nect3toastman]

Why Does This Make Actual Sense

[@Springy202]

I think phone guy might know about the MCI(the missing childrens incident)so he knew the children had been possesing for about 20 years

[@TerminalError]

From the way he acts, it definitely seems like he at least learns about the MCI and possessed animatronics over the years. He sounds really calm in the fnaf 3 tapes and gets more suspicious and nervous from fnaf 2 to fnaf 1

[@MoonlightGr8Swrd]

Glad the algorithm showed me this video. Good work man :3

[@TerminalError]

Thank you! I'm glad the algorithm pushed it to you!

[@BIGBRITISHBLOKE]

the fnaf 2 animatronics are the fnaf 1 animatronics. the fnaf 2 gang were just modified and modernized fully. in fnaf 2 the phone guy states such

[@TerminalError]

Phone guy says they will be kept for a new location on a smaller budget, that doesn't mean they were used for that location. Fazbear Entertainment loves lying to people and if they say they're doing something, we should look twice.

[@BIGBRITISHBLOKE]

@@TerminalError i think its plausible enough to say that the fnaf 2 gang is the fnaf 1 gang. they are both haunted and have similar enough designs. theres also the fact that at the time scott wasnt really putting that much thought into these things .

[@Iguanodon-fb7rs]

Nice video, though all that Mimic stuff probably isn´t canon to the older games. I personally am still convinced they just used the endos of the Withereds to make the FNAF 1 endos and then slapped a new casing on them. That´s how the ghosts transferred.

[@TerminalError]

Could happen. Not saying the old theory is wrong but this feels like it fills more holes in other theories. I'm pretty sure matpat couldn't decide where to put sister location on his timeline and this theory I feel puts it in a solid spot

[@marqusrobinsworld6825]

Thank you this question has been agonizing me for 3 or 2 years thank you for ending my suffering

[@davidlupien1499]

The fact that this man posted this 3 weeks ago is crazy 💀🙏🏿 my guy still talking about fnaf 1 and 2 😭

[@nicktommy1940]

“Hey guys, let’s watch game theory video and tweak it a tiny bit”

[@udhd2811]

Why is mr house yappin about FNAF, doesn't he have New Vegas

[@aberthegamers]

Holy moly this actually makes sense! Good job!

[@TerminalError]

Thank you!

[@Twistedslop62]

This makes absolutely no sense

[@KSZ_edits]

ur so underrated! i love ur theory!!!

[@joshuamatthias2173]

Enjoyed ur theory, but when u said that william used the withereds to make the funtimes it felt kinda wrong, seeing as how the funtimes were already built before that, all he needed was the remnant to fuel the funtimes, so in 1993, william enters the fnaf 1 location, and those are actually fnaf 1 animatronics that u see in the follow me minigames its just a small minigame inconsistency that scott was too lazy too change so he just kept it there, so as william goes there he breaks those robots and takes the endos, melts it and injects it into the funtimes

[@TerminalError]

You are correct that the funtimes only need the remnant injected, but Scott isn't a lazy developer. If there's something left in the game there's a reason for it. This guy made 4 games in 1 year and made completely different models for each game. He also removed fnaf world because he wasn't happy with it. If this little detail was wrong, it would've been changed

[@joshuamatthias2173]

@@TerminalError yes you do have point, but i do still believe that its the fnaf 1 animatronics remnant william used to inject the funtimes with

[@SonZackSSJ9k]

The Mimic was Made Post-FNaF1 so this theory falls apart realistically, that and the fact the Animatronics’ possess themselves and the soul splitting never happens until Sister Location.

[@TerminalError]

By your "post fnaf 1" logic, anything introduced in a later game can't change the Lore of the previous games. This would mean the puppet doesn't give the animatronics life, the saferooms don't exist, springlock suits aren't a thing, and purple guy still has no name Unless you meant the mimic animatronic itself wasn't made until after fnaf 1 which is still wrong. It's said in the books the Mimic was made when the characters went from felt suits to animatronic.

[@SonZackSSJ9k]

@@TerminalError I’m talking timeline wise, not Gameline. Even then Mimic wasn’t even involved with Fazbears Ent until Security Breach.

[@joshuawynne329]

@@SonZackSSJ9kwell, storywise, the Mimic was made in the early 80s, and FNAF 1 takes place in the early 90s. I don’t agree with this theory personally, but the Mimic was made way before the events of FNAF 1.

[@SonZackSSJ9k]

@@joshuawynne329 Yeah but it wasn’t involved with Fazbear Ent until Security Breach.

[@fuerzadelaoldschool2851]

@@SonZackSSJ9k There is a theory that the Mimic actually was with Fazbear Ent. in Help Wanted, before Security Breach, and if Henry made the Mimic and helped with the animatronics since the 1980's...

[@spiky724]

8:50 Lol, nice ryetoast reference! Also good theory

[@ilasq]

speak a little louder man the music has a higher decibel count than your voice sometimes

[@charliemick8246]

This actually makes a lot of sense. Keep up the good work!

[@TerminalError]

Thank you! Will do!

[@drbcraze]

bro forgot about the bite of 83

[@faadieldavies7837]

Fr

[@Voidboi223]

This is great. Video and I love the theory although If there are few key points I need to make here, One being that yes the fun times were created after Fazbears is as closed as if we listened a hand unit, "Due to the unfortunate closing of Freddy Fazbears It was clear that the stage was set. No pun intended for another competitor in robotics entertainment!" While it isn't word for word, it gets the point across. Afton clearly created the Funtimes after Fazebears had closed, and from what we've seen from blueprints, the Funtimes WERE designed to kidnap. Each has a different. Tactic to lure the kid and parents away from each other as far as possible. Circus Baby was the "final stop." And moving to FNAF 1. I believe the mimic part mostly but I'm going off of Cassidy being the revenge full spirit legit broke the rules and existed even without an Endo as they were tied to the shell that was kept in a spare room. This means that all those "Its me" moments and such have a following reason AND allow for you to keep the mimics and support it. I believe all the hallucinations are caused by Cassidy using a fraction of her absurd powers to try and scare you either away or to death, utalizing the mimic protocal to deal with the dead body.... mostly.

[@I_am_the_curre]

Let me say this, the withered animatronics were older than fnaf 1 models, the withered ones were there for the fredbear family diner fredbear's diner was older those withereds were from there and shut down completely because the bite of 1986s the fredbear kill, the fnaf 4 wasn't any experiment, because his son Evan, feared the fredbear robots, and after he got his head crushed he was brought to a hospital the fnaf 4 nightmares are him struggling to survive the skull crushing, those robots are how he! Sees them all, especially fredbear, and there's a game where it's him in the hospital dealing with being left behind in a abandoned hospital where all of the people are dead and there's nothing but the twisted ones there trying to kill the last Afton family member, since when he woke up William and Michael and Elizabeth were dead completely even as the robot forms, they couldn't rest with Evan still alive as the last Afton family member alive that caused William to go on a rampage and murder the kids

[@HudsonRuppert-zs5ik]

That's true.

[@MordasMakesStuff]

Except, there's a good amount of evidence pointing to Michael being the fnaf 4 child.

[@epicgamer-qh3vc]

The withereds aren't from fredbears, they don't have any spare parts in the parts and service room and we never see them in game. Dittophobia also confirms that FNAF 4 is an experiment, and where did you get 1986 from?

[@LucaThePupineer]

Its in the lore, fnaf 1 takes place in 1993, fnaf2 takes place in the 1987,before freddy juniors (fnaf 2) In 1983 - 1985 is where the og animatronics are from, but when reopening for fnaf 1, they probably remolded the old animatronics

[@UIgogeta1987]

There was another location after fredbears family diner but before the fnaf 2 location.

[@LucaThePupineer]

@@UIgogeta1987 i know thats where the first mci happened, but i dont remember the name so i just put 1983 - 1985 because thats when the restaurant was open

[@Seriously_Unserious]

This is an interesting theory. I can add something to it that may help some parts of it make more sense or work better. The Witherdes, basically the 1983-1985 FE location's animatronics, but worn out from neglect, are the ones that are hunted. Ghosts, when possessing a human shaped robot, will attempt to use that robot body as they would a human body. The robots have 2 arms, 2 legs, 2 cameras that function as eyes, 2 mics that fucntion as ears, and a voicebox/speaker that functions as a mouth, and internal computers that take the place of a brain. The ghosts try to store their human and ghost memories in the internal permanent storage, and try to use the CPU, graphics chip and other computer components on the motherboard to think. The computers are rudimentary early 80s tech, so their processing power and audio and visual resolution are limited. So the ghosts only have animal intelligence to work with. Thus "they are like animals." All this ghost data being stored though, becomes part of the programming and dataset for the witherds, and it's likely that when they get any routine maintenance, before the place closed down, that would have included full system backups, thus creating a backup of the stored ghost-animatronic combo data. If the mimic does exist at this point in the timeline, and in the games, this code from the withereds may have been used to train the mimic AI, this making it mimic the haunted behaviour of the witherds, and also pick up the ghost data set, including memories and personalities. This theory can also explain how Afton can be burned into oblivion, yet still return as Glitchtrap and Burntrap. It's not the soul of Afton, but the digital imprint of his soul's memories and personality, maybe again combined with the Mimic code to cause the mimic to mimic a computer virus as that's what Afton's deranged personality is most like, and maybe another copy of the Mimic AI to be taught using the AI leftovers of Cassidy and mimicing an antivirus, as Cassidy's big thing is to punish Afton, and what's more pushing to a virus then the software designed to detect and remove viruses?

[@monobro141]

Glad someone made a video on this as this is said about Scraptrap yet we forget that Witheed Chica morphed into regular Chica and it' BARLEY explain

[@DerFalke86]

Bro looks like my math teacher 💀

[@gabry640324]

he is your math teacher just kidding hes not

[@jojostarsea]

in fnaf 2 we hear that the animatronics there "thought the guard was an endoskeleton and tried to stuff him in a suit", which is the entire reason we use a freddy head to defend ourselves in fnaf 2. so thats not a trait unique to the fnaf 1 bots, its a behavior both games' bots share. and its most likely a cover up of them being haunted and vengeful, given in fnaf 1, bonnie literally encounters a bare endoskeleton and walks right by it, even staring at you in gthe camera while ignoring it. so yeah not mimic

[@czek9275]

The only issue i have w this video is the fact that the music is a tad too loud over the voice. The rest was really good. Sick suit btw

[@budweedz]

this is the video i always dreamed of watching finally here

[@captainspock3p07]

I agree with most of this. Some issues with this theory: The fnaf1 animatronics are ABSOLUTELY haunted, since they can teleport, manipulate the environment, and do other ghostly stuff. Plus, Afton gets springlocked before he can take the suits themselves. To correct these issues, I've created what I call the Endo01-02 Theory. This theory suggests that the Classic suits and Endo02s were used in the first Freddy's. Then in 1987, the old haunted costumes were put into storage and upgraded with new tech and new suits to match, but they turned out too ugly, so they're scrapped for parts. Then when that location closes down, they're taken back to their original location and fixed up with more new Withered-type suits (we know spares exist thanks to the Withered Freddy head in fnaf2). Then Afton comes in and Follow Me happens in 1988. He takes their haunted endo02s and melts them down to fuse into his Funtimes. Then Afton gets springlocked and is sealed away. Fazbear Entertainment compensates by building some quick and easy Endo01s and giving them back their original haunted suits. Then fnaf1 can happen. Then the fnaf4 experiments use the original Withered costumes in 1987-1988. Then Dittophobia takes place in 1998. Then Sister Location in 2003ish. Then FE cleans out the bunker, and they discover some old remains, including Withered Foxy's arm, which would eventually end up at Fazbear's Fright in 2015. And that's my solution. Hope it makes sense!

[@soap.5765]

Bro, it’s simple, Fnaf 2 came first in the timeline, and also restaurant in fnaf 1 looks different to fnaf 2s so lets assume that fnaf 1 is a new restaurant opened after the fnaf 2 restaurant, and they modified the withered to look new again, done.✅

[@julian3.o29]

The Illusion Disks, just like the twisted ones could be used for the nightmare animatronics so William could scare his child to not go near the animatronics in the restaurant.

[@faheemjerseyxs4222]

Finally someone is talking about this, they were always the most interesting ones out of the other models, also the most creepy to me and considering there's a withered Golden Freddy and endoskeleton that was also not talked about.

[@Gaming2DMX]

I remember a fuhnaff or game theory video (can’t remember which one it was) talking about how in the springlock minigame in fnaf 3, all the animatronics had buttons on their chest, a design choice not present on the original fnaf 1 animatronics, so maybe the fnaf 2 animatronics were in the fnaf 1 location at one point in time but due to the damage sustained by William destroying them that’s what led to them getting replaced by the OG animatronics Edit: I just finished watching the video right after I commented this and realized he said this at the end 💀

[@Blembus]

I don't think phone guy telling us the animatronics are programed to stuff endos in suits was ever true It was always a cover up for them being haunted

[@kiadimundi3610]

Hey i think this video is well made but one thing id say is would you try lowering the music volume slightly? its not super obvious but at the volume it is rn it drowns out your voice just slightly

[@mortal1442]

I really like your video and idea, but the only thing i think can harm your theory is that in the other mini games, we can see the casing of the animatronics on the flor so maybe he never manage to get casing before he die.

[@rfw878]

also love how you just respectfully reply even if ppl are a lil rude

[@bbmaster3261]

Bro i've been saying that for a while! FNAF 4 designs are very clearly based off the Withereds, even if it was just a design choice canon wise it makes sense because they would look like that so the nightmares would look closer to that. And that design thing with the sprites was something i only noticed after ID's Fantasy brought it up and i completely agree, i heard someone say it could be also the adventure Freddy design wise but that makes no sense and i don't think that's a good argument really. I also heard that the fnaf 1 animatronics even though they can be the same, i also heard the idea that they were possessed by agony and not fully spirits. That works but the only issue is the FNAF 3 ending that shows they also possess the casing, either way i believe they are the same animatronics and that they didn't fully leave. I mean even the books show they can possess multiple things somewhat at the same time. So honestly if we were to use the withereds control the toys idea instead of the toys being possessed that can work too. But i like this theory and i think it works and can be right depending on how you look at it, however i do not agree with the mimic thing.

[@channingcheese2]

Damn, thats a great suit. definitely keep wearing that in your videos

[@snaky1337]

nice theory but bump u[p the volume of your voice up and mute a bit the music. keep up the good work tho

[@zorichi686]

"those are from the previous location, and we just use them for parts now. The idea at first was to repair them... uh, they even started retrofitting them with some of the newer technology, but they were just so ugly, you know? And the smell" is what I think the actual reason is. It's not some insane plot including a character that didn't exist until like 2 years ago, the fnaf 1 costumes were their original costumes (explaining the fnaf 2 cutscenes and fredbear) being altered and retrofitted with new technology (making them uglier) and then they were broken because they were being used for parts. Then for fnaf 1's opening they just fixed them up just used old, spare costumes they’d presumably have due to both Fnaf 1 and 4’s backrooms having extra costumes. Also the Fnaf 1 location is haunted. Like it’s SUPER haunted (have you ever actually played that game like it is the most paranormal in the series) TLDR: this guy is wrong. The withereds are just half refurbished and messed up versions of the fnaf 1 designs because those were the ones used in the earliest Freddy’s seen in the fnaf 2 cutscene which explains why golden Freddy looks like Fnaf 1 Freddy despite being fredbear.

[@Fionavz]

THIS. IVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS FOR SO LONG BUT IVE NEVER RLLY HAD A CHANCE TO DO A DEEP DIVE. THANK YOUUUUU

[@TerminalError]

No problem! I'm glad you enjoyed!

[@DarkshotX]

Cool vid, lower the background music volume tho

[@gentalsamuel778]

I absolutely love this theory but the only thing making me hesitant about it is the fact that the endoskeletons in the furnace in help wanted were endo 01’s and not endo 02’s. I suppose because it was a recreation of the events it could be mistaken but idk.

[@JAYV45_]

Love the video n ideas but your voice is a bit quiet compared to background music, not complaining just helpful feedback

[@fuerzadelaoldschool2851]

Great theory, the only thing is that, as Fuhnaff said, the Chica in Follow Me is (looks more like) FNaF's 1 Chica. No theory is perfect, but still, a good one.

[@Bailey_Dreamfoot]

I love it when ppl are like, “guys i have a new and groundbreaking fnaf theory” when its obvious they just joined the fandom or its obvious they know nothing about it

[@robertvanderlinden2813]

this sounds stupid, but i think freddy and foxy where indeed reused, but that bonnie an chica got thrown in the dumpster because of their extensive damage. Hear me out, Freddy and foxy would only need some restored casing and some rewiring to get into working order, but bonnie and chica had parts missing or broken beyond repair and that those parts where not being made anymore because the designs are old, so think bonnie and chica might still be in some trash hill

[@iranoutofnames8525]

watching the video makes me miss old fnaf even more

[@gregorymirabella1423]

I always thought they just added some new parts and redesigned the suits.

[@dubtraction5743]

I understand using the books for the lore in your theory, but there's a tie between the three kinds of media people should remember. Book, game and movie lore are all separate (at least the majority of the time, it's the case, as The Fourth Closet doesn't happen in the games) Now this theory is interesting, but right off the bat, the timeline for the games is wrong. In FNaF 4, you can find a TV in the Night 2 minigame, which states "Fredbear and Friends, 1983", which in the TV, we can see the main three (I don't recall Foxy being shown) that we know and love, as well as Fredbear and Springbonnie. Keeping in mind that FNaF 4 is 1983, this means we need to find what's next. The next game is FNaF 2, being set in 1987 as seen in the Night 6 pink slip that was visible at 0:27 which also shows that it took place on Friday the 13th, (this day also being the bite of '87, seen by multiple hints and the fact Freddy's closed that same day for it's last party) Now, given there's merch of the animatronics seen in FNaF 4, being the C.C's plushies, and the girl we can find with plushies that oddly represent the Toys more than anything, it could be safe to say the Withereds were reused from Fredbear's for Freddy's Family Diner four years later. It was stated they'll be reused, so they were more then reused for FNaF 1, which was guessed to take place around early 2000's, or even late 1990's by the pay rate for the, and the follow me game was shown at 2:46 being the same map from FNaF, with the "safe room" being hidden later on behind a wall in the bathroom. I don't remember if it was ever brought up officially, but I think that alone was what started the reasoning to William being back there for roughly 30 years. If the 30 years is true as well, then that'll mean that FNaF 1 takes place in 1993, as FNaF 3 takes place in 2023. The theory you went with was interesting, yes, and I praise you for it, but it should be stated and remembered that book and game lore is separate, and now, so is movie lore, but again, I like your theory, but there's many things that debunk what you've said

[@aedaniammx7559]

An observation I made is that in UCN, we find out that Fredbear looks almost identical to FNaF1 Freddy, as opposed to the wider fan designs based on the nightmare version. So I always had the thought that FNaF1 Freddy and Bonnie were repaired using old Fredbear suit pieces rather than their original (withered) suits. It doesn’t really explain Chica and Foxy, but most of Chica’s suit parts look very similar, so it’s entirely possible that they only got new versions of what they absolutely had to (I.e. the structurally important feet and irreparably broken jaws) and kept the rest the same. As for Foxy, well, whatever fixes they made for him clearly didn’t last him very long anyways, so maybe he just had newer, cheaper suit parts since he wasn’t part of the main band, got considered low-priority, and the lack of spare suit parts is why he’s out of order.

[@paxychile]

FINALLY someone has made a video about this i always wounder why the look different

[@czeaysef962]

Love the video keep it um man!!!

[@KirbyFan4Ever]

Amazing! I wonder if you could work Golden Freddy into this.

[@michaelafton7818]

One major problem with the following me theory is that it's the base of the molten mci theory that being a problem on account of their being alot of conflicting evidence for and against it such as how does he melt them into the funtimes if he gets springlocked at the end of follow me? So using follow me with the assumption that he's making the funtimes with the withereds metals introduces alot of uncertainty into the theory

[@SO4PZIE]

i loved this video style so much omg + bro ur a cutie pie (respectfully)

[@Elekick-jc8zn]

i see a problem with the fnaf 1 animatronics not being haunted bc why would they smell and have stuff leaking from them but still a very good theory also i have a theory maybe the kid who u are playing as in fnaf 4 saw the withereds and as a fear response or something started imagining much scarier versions at night

[@EmiWi]

Assuming the theory of Afton preferring hinged jaws in his animatronics designs and Henry piston jaws like seen in Wither Chica, it would explain why the nightmare experiment - seemingly a project only William Afton would be involved - has the similar piston jaw design on Nightmare Chica, the withered ones were used in the nightmare experiments. Just this fact alone would seemingly explain this odd design choice.

[@michaelafton7818]

I just wrote a full paragraph on why it still makes sense to he the same only to accidently delete it so in summary Most of the differences in the withereds could be explained as costume reolacments and what isn't could be explained as fazbear choosing to replace part of an animatronic instead of the full thing (for example just replace Bonnie's arm and eyes and slap on a new casing) the only 2 major problems I can think of are foxy's endoskeleton losing a toe when hes repaired and the fact that fnaf 1 is endo-01 while fnaf 2 is endo-02 (speaking of wich if the classics are endo-01 modles wich don't have ears unlike endo-02 how can freddy bonnie and foxy move their ears?)

[@amoogus246]

My brain is too small to understand half of the things that happened

[@GunGuntheking]

2:13 yes it can be read on mobile (thankfully 😅)

[@loserxylophone3986]

I have not watched and FNAF lore or theory video since like 2019 and don't remember any of the animatronics getting melted

[@kiracomments-chca2747]

Nice RyeToast reference XD Also, this actually makes sense to me.

[@Aidan_minotii]

Short answer: no Fnaf one is a sequal to Fnaf 2, the witherds came from a different location and were scraped, and they’re not putting anything from the witherds bc ppl didn’t know about them, I do beleive the unwithereds were used in Fnaf 4 and had sound illusion disks, then after were just used for parts, that’s it

[@epicgamer-qh3vc]

The FNAF 2 newspaper confirms the withereds were kept and not scrapped. The withereds couldn't have been used for the FNAF 4 experiment chambers as we know they were used for parts for the FNAF 1 animatronics and we see them dismantled in the FNAF 3 follow me mini games. The parts are still there by the time Afton is springlocked and boarded up so he couldn't have moved them out of the pizzeria

[@TheGoldenOne25]

My theory wich is shared by many others is, the withereds were repurposed for fnaf 1 because the jaw for chica was entirely broken so they gave her a simpler one, also fnaf 2 is before fnaf 1 because the puppet is there and the puppet was in jr’s

[@michaelafton7818]

Most unique theory I've heard in awhile

[@jakeford12]

My theory is that they used the chips witch could be haunted by the kids, though i do think the withered could have later go on to become the nightmares while pieces of the endoskeleton that mr afton left behind could have been salvaged for the endo redesign.

[@MollyDollyy774]

This is a very Interesting Theory, I was always wondering why the FNAF 2 withered Animatronics looked so different to the FNAF 1 Animatronics

[@TerminalError]

I'm glad you liked it!