Are There Any Beethovens Left? (Ft. 12tone)

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SOURCES AND FURTHER READING
Origins of the name van Beethoven: www.lvbeethoven.com/Bio/Biogra...
Ludwig on Etymonline: www.etymonline.com/word/ludwig
Beethoven Biography: www.notablebiographies.com/Ba...
Beethoven Biography: www.lvbeethoven.com/Bio/Biogra...
The Cambridge Guide To Beethoven: books.google.com/books?id=p2y...
Why Was Beethoven Famous?: • Why Was Beethoven Famous?
The Unique Story of Beethoven’s Ninth: inmozartsfootsteps.com/2472/th...
Did Beethoven’s love for married aristocrat and a doomed son colour his darkest work?: www.theguardian.com/music/201...
Karl van Beethoven: www.classicfm.com/composers/b...
Beethoven’s Grand-Nephew: www.therestisnoise.com/2014/05...
Beethoven Family Tree: www.lvbeethoven.com/Famille/Fa...
PRONUNCIATION SOURCES
Antonie Brentano: forvo.com/search/antonie%20br...
Josef: forvo.com/search/josef/
Reiss: forvo.com/search/reiss/
Caroline: forvo.com/search/Caroline/de/
Hermine: forvo.com/search/hermine/
Gabriele: forvo.com/search/gabriele/de/
Karoline: forvo.com/search/karoline/
Julius: forvo.com/search/julius/

[@FreeBroccoli]

I guess it takes a deaf musician to compose something unheard of.

[@danksamosa3952]

Genius

[@noodlery7034]

Underrated

[@ezra-keto]

*_woah_*

[@JLukeHypernova]

Now that's what I call music

[@colgatetoofpaste]

;-;

[@Angenga]

John Lenin, the motherlands most psychedelic musician

[@ianmacfarlane1241]

He's so dangerously deluded that if he told you that he was in The Beatles you'd have to simply agree.

[@Discosaturn]

He imagined no possessions. And no religion too.

[@allanrichardson1468]

His name was Lennon, no connection with Vladimir Ulyanov (who used the nom de Guerrero Lenin), nor to bedsheets. One of the most famous musicians of Deutero-Elizabethan England.

[@Discosaturn]

That's the point of the joke.

[@oliverhees4076]

Vladimir Lennon was the leader of the Bolsheviks, translated as Beatles in English

[@Tigermink03]

This can only mean one thing: Dwight Shrutte is of the Beethoven ancestory! Beethoven is in occupational surname in German meaning Beetroot Farms, and Dwight is a German Beetroot Farmer... This is the ultimate conspiracy theory!

[@pinkegg3179]

when I hear beet, I think shrutte

[@GrumpyHobo]

I think it would have been funny for Dwight's last name to be Beethoven. Would have opened up some more great scenes. 😂

[@JaredJonesAZ]

Mose-zart

[@Ronaldosaid_shopee]

My last name is Beethoven 😮😮 💀

[@DragonFang409]

Person 1: Hi, my names John, what’s yours? Person 2: *Beetroot Farm*

[@TomSistermans]

Last Beethoven died in ww1, he was the grandson of Beethoven's nephew.

[@KerimWirthSuperLps]

@@fluffytom82 Wow, really? How cool!!

[@JackOfBlades8642]

What was his name?

[@Scrub_Lord-en7cq]

@@mashynua1751 Beet B Hoven?

[@mashynua1751]

@@Scrub_Lord-en7cq wait a minute what is that pfp💀

[@matthewlee8667]

Beethoven's last descendent took up the mantle of his namesake and followed in his great ancestor's footsteps, taking up music. He worked hard and became a famous DJ and remix artist with the name of Beat Lovin (pronounced Bait Loeven)

[@jaxonryder]

You should do Ben Franklin, since he has so many illegitimate children

[@buddyclem7328]

Illegitimate children don't carry on the family name.

[@SuicideBunny6]

If we're just looking for the name Beethoven, didn't he have uncles who had children?

[@fionafiona1146]

We could also use Dutch online phone books😉

[@musik350]

tmw two KZbinrs you subbed but completely unrelated suddenly create a coop

[@buddyclem7328]

*coup

[@Tufta759]

Are there any Mozarts or Bachs left?

[@wingracer1614]

Don't know about Mozarts but there a lots of Bachs around

[@wingracer1614]

Correction, after a brief bit of digging it seems all of JS Bach's direct descendants died off in the mid to late 19th century but there are quite a few Bach's around today descended from Bach's grandfather.

[@Quotenwagnerianer]

No Mozart's left. Mozart's son Franz Xaver was the last to bear this name.

[@olgamejia1321]

Bach had 20 kids

[@caterscarrots3407]

@@Quotenwagnerianer Are you sure about that? Because when I look up "Does anybody living today have the last name of Mozart" quite a few results show up of people living today still bearing the last name of Mozart. This suggests that maybe like with Bach, there are living direct descendents of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's grandfather but we just don't know much about the Mozart bloodline except the part that leads to Leopold Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's father.

[@hoangkimviet8545]

The next will be Mozart, Bach and Haydn :-0

[@Tufta759]

And Strauss

[@Suite_annamite]

*Bach is a very common family name: so either way, there are still plenty, ranging from the chief of the Olympics to the dentist down the block from me.*

[@Tufta759]

@@Suite_annamite I know it's popular. But the question is about particular line.

[@wingracer1614]

Well seeing as how the old stud had a couple dozens kids, I'm sure there are quite a few direct descendants floating around. Edit: Apparently not. Seems they died off in the 19th century.

[@nir_stern02]

So is Strauss but not every Strauss in the world is a descendant of Johann Strauss or Richard Strauss

[@pegeonpera]

Are there any Beethovens left? Spoiler: *No*

[@NameExplain]

I see it as being about the journey, not the destination.

[@Claro1993]

I know somebody who is named Beethoven, and he is a comedian in my country.

[@BercyGW2]

thank you for 10 minutes of life

[@edwinchow44]

Is he a patriot?

[@Nightkite]

Wow lol

[@Ken4Iyfe]

*lenin* did you mean: VLADIMIR LENIN

[@drperson12]

Are there any Lenins left?

[@Ken4Iyfe]

Setsuko Momoka thats a good question

[@crewposter6726]

Setsuko Momoka Not really, Vladimir Lenin’s real last name is Ulyanov. Lenin was just an alias.

[@Ken4Iyfe]

5h4d0w The EdgeHog just because he used “lenin” as an alias doesn’t mean he **COULD** have generations down the line

[@crewposter6726]

Mid ary exactly

[@Suite_annamite]

Watch *Immortal Beloved (1994)* with *Gary Oldman* as the titular character: it's the *best movie about Beethoven* out there!

[@jmchez]

Totally wrong woman as the the title character. All clues point to the another; the one mentioned in this video.

[@tg1982]

Great video, beautifully edited and narrated, with the background music to top it all; moreover, the information, really interesting. Thanks!

[@eltfell]

When Beethoven's father died, the Duke of Cologne condoled by writing: "Die Getränke-Akzise hat einen Verlust erlitten." ("The bavarage excise has suffered a loss")

[@YannickDLproductions]

You say that his origins lie in The Netherlands. But actually the Van Beethoven family came from Mechelen (Malines), a city in Flanders, Belgium. As a Belgian viewer of your channel I find that important.

[@Copyright_Infringement]

At the time, IIRC, Belgium was part of the Netherlands.

[@elieli2717]

Well Flanders is majority Dutch speaking and many people from there have Dutch descent :p

[@thstguy8023]

Ey maet maybe get a watch n you can be Yannick De Early

[@sethleoric2598]

@@Copyright_Infringement this is why my dad keeps saying French Fries is in fact French.... nope

[@WOLF36554]

@@Copyright_Infringement for 15 years between 1815 and 1830. Not when the Beethovens lived in modern day Belgium

[@sekhmet7440]

I don't care if there's any Beethoven's with that surname. I want to know if anyone blood related to him is still alive.

[@susantramer6713]

Are there any descendants of Otto von Bismarck left

[@cossaizy6309]

Yea, the noble tite is even still alive, prince/ss bismarck i think

[@bustermller5492]

German politician Carl-Eduard von Bismarck is the great-great-grandson of Otto von Bismarck

[@xerogh1821]

Two of my favorite KZbin channels, great collab!

[@tasoslts3480]

So there are living relatives of him, but they don't have his surname..

[@RonZhang]

Interesting...

[@evilqueen-et1du]

Of all the Beetoven songs to have in the background you choose my favorite. Thank you.

[@rosalindkincannon1078]

Thank you for this marvelous video

[@vronz]

The song playing in this vodeo is in this video is the 1st movement of moonlight sonata

[@omegayeet6183]

This is my favorite series of yours

[@brianriley5108]

I highly recommend the movie Immortal Beloved for anyone who enjoys Beethoven. It's a historically loose drama based on Beethoven's later life. Great music and great dialogue.

[@jmchez]

Totally wrong woman as the the title character. All clues point to the another; the one mentioned in this video.

[@WaterShowsProd]

I was very curious in what form 12Tone would appear in your video, and laughed out loud when he arrived as an elephant! Great job all round. I remember when Elvis died, oddly I don't remember hearing the news about John Lennon and as later became a huge Beatles fan, this is somewhat troubling. Beethoven died before I was born, though.

[@petenite]

Fact. Dwight Schrute is the last Beethoven.

[@nielcarpnava]

Dwight Schrute has a son named Philip so he's not the last 😂

[@DomenBremecXCVI]

I wonder who the familiar face will be in the 12tones video! Must see!

[@WaterShowsProd]

I think they're going to do "Understanding Badgers-Badgers-Badgers". Should be interesting.

[@hugoleonardoamaral586]

Oh my, two of my favorite channels together? Sign me in!

[@Meduurtje]

Van Beethovens ancestors came from Belgium and not from the Netherlands

[@rosiefay7283]

But Belgium didn't become independent until after Ludwig died. So it would be anachronistic to say "Belgium" for where his ancestors came from.

[@WOLF36554]

@@rosiefay7283 than he had to say modern day Belgium. Still even regardless that he is still wrong since Belgium was a part of Austria not the Netherlands.

[@Rainb0wzNstuff]

Flanders

[@mickel1634]

@@rosiefay7283 he really meant to say Flanders

[@Miriam-cn5ej]

Do are there any Einstein’s left

[@jmchez]

One of his sons was a somewhat famous engineer in America. One of his grandsons owned (no kidding) a used car business in California. In the 1980s, he had a real TV ad where he actually said, 'It doesn't take an Einstein to know that this is a great deal!". The NY Times had that story in an article about the Einsteins.

[@joshou3759]

Are there any Hamiltons left? Are there any Washingtons left? Are there any Jeffersons left?

[@joe_ita]

Yes. Lewis, Denzel, and that family from the homonymous 70s TV show.

[@philipgagarin6673]

@@joe_ita He meant direct descedents

[@joe_ita]

@@philipgagarin6673 i was joking lol

[@buddyclem7328]

@@joe_ita Movin' on up To the East Side To a deluxe apartment In the sky....

[@Rainb0wzNstuff]

Let the world know their last names

[@nesirsitsir]

CARRLLLLL. CARLLLLLLLL. THE WALKERS CARLLLL.

[@Gameflyer001]

Nah, that "Coral".

[@MrCG35]

Ohhhh, hey, how did he get here?

[@rydemk4168]

Famous in wars from Beetfarms. What a prestigious title.

[@jackeller6270]

Cool Video!

[@lord_tony]

we may never have another Beethoven again but... we do have some geniuses like John Williams, Ennio Morricone and Hans Zimmer

[@nightwishlover8913]

It's pronounced Lud-VIG not Lud-WIG. At lesat 12Tone got it right!

[@randompersononyoutube4596]

What's the difference Like I heard both of them say Ludwig and I can't hear a difference in pronunciation

[@maggie12md18]

Random person on youtube In the German language, w’s will most likely be pronounced as the v sound, so the word wasser (German for water) will be pronounced like “vosser” and the way j’s are pronounced has a rule as well. Jungen (Boys) will be pretty much pronounced as “youngen” due to the y sound replacing the j sound. Edit: the word “Ja” (yes) will sound like ya, which is pretty good for English as well, so that’s good to know.

[@noelleggett5368]

Actually, since voiced consonants are usually pronounced voiceless at the end of a word, a more accurate pronunciation would be /ludvik/.

[@angelakamene4609]

My brain:sees "Beet Farm"= Shrute Farms. Conspiracy theory?

[@Tigermink03]

Aw damn I was *beet*

[@jaisheelal4002]

Angela Kamene I thought the same thing lol

[@justinh4455]

hey i was actually thinking this question today! what a coincidence

[@BasicYutuber]

1:32 honestly I thought you were gonna say "tone deaf"

[@LibertarianLeninistRants]

Beethoven's Choral Fantasia is great...but with the lyrics of Johannes Becher it became a masterpiece!

[@citiesskyscrapers4561]

Nice video.

[@Mattteus]

This is the crossover my musician/linguist heart longed for!

[@lucasknox9694]

Nice music choice with his Moonlight Sonata

[@masonedwards4457]

3.7k views, no dislikes! That’s awesome dude!

[@kiro2278]

Honestly, I don't really care for classical music too much, but Beethoven's work, especially after his hearing got worse and worse, are just admirable. Although I did a presentation about him myself for school (and having heard several of them, because I live in Germany...), this video was still interesting, as it went deeper into Beethoven's familytree. And now I also know what Beethoven actually means!

[@myklkay]

His father never hit him. He was rude, yelled at him, woke him in the middle of the night to play, but that's it. There's also the hypothesis that he had a child with Josephine, who's the best candidate to be the immortal beloved from the letter. She had a daughter, called Minona when she was separated from her husband, and the child has been conceived around the time she and Beethoven were in Prague at the same time. If you take a look at Minona's photography, you can see a resemblance with Ludwig. Nothing has confirmed this, but Josephine never told anyone who the father was, not even Minona (or she never wanted to tell anyone either).

[@icantcomeupwithagoodusername]

that momment when you push a video to 10 minutes and 1 second but it get's demonitized

[@antontait4515]

Damm that’s seriously cool I wish I could make this kind of videos

[@Navarro1030]

As a historian of science i cant wait to see this episode for the darwin family. I would be happy to help patrick with the research if needed

[@matttucker3]

Love it

[@suelane3628]

Actually Beethoven's Choral Fantasia predates the Choral Symphony and some of the phrasing reflects the musical structure. I am not sure if it was a full orchestra, but it is easy to find here on YOutube and is worth a listen.

[@EdwinvandenAkker]

0:49 My surname is *van den Akker,* it's Dutch and yes I'm from Holland 🇳🇱. _van den = of the_ Akker = farmfield. But it sounds cooler when saying it meant Acre... like large peace of land. That's what I used to say, when I lived in the USA. HAHA... Oh well... what's a name...

[@jiraiyaofmountmyouboku1945]

My real surnam is Rachach wich is acient portugese for fisher or fisherman

[@LetsTakeWalk]

Nice episode. On a different NOTE (get it?) are there any Tchaikovsky's left?

[@spiderlime]

are there any descendents of jean-baptiste lully, 1632-1687 left? he was a great composer of the baroque era, and court composer to king louis the fourteenth.

[@hazmat4938]

So the question now is "where did he get that hair?"

[@Mattteus]

(His 'pastorale' symphony is my all-time favourite of his. The 9th is too overblown ( then again I feel the same way about La Gioconda))

[@TkrakenT]

Music has been rebooted to "drum" music but with new technological elements i will guess if we cloned Beethoven today he would be an electronic experimental musician like many German and European modern composers.It took like 300 years of classical music to get a Bethoven maybe we will see a modern Beethoven for our modern music in 250 years who knows everything is happening so fast these days.

[@Zx-hy9ys]

Now that I know the meaning of Beethoven's name I can imagine Dwight Schrute loving him.

[@eskipotato]

I found my favorite KZbinr crossover.

[@thesuomi8550]

Over 10 mins what is this

[@aphexart]

According to a Belgian newspaper we still have a couple 100 Van Beethoven's living in Belgium today... So if you are just looking for people with the same name... You can still find them in the country of his grandfather, Belgium... Back then it was the Netherlands... But now its of course Belgium.

[@philipgagarin6673]

Can you do the Last Eisenhiwer

[@linglingkim]

I have a question, how did Zhongguo become China? Srsly I have no idea.

[@Weebusaurus]

Simple answer, after the Xin dynasty. Pronounced "chin".

[@mickmickymick6927]

go to Xidnaf's channel. In short, China comes indirectly from the ruling Qing dynasty. The empires of China never really had a name and since they were the most important polity they called themselves the middle empire (middle as in between Heaven and Earth, as in, close to Heaven).

[@jaojao1768]

Zhongguo means "middle realm", however the western name comes from the Xin/Chin Dynasty

[@Suite_annamite]

*The Qin dynasty (221-206BC) and the Qing (Manchu, 1644-1911) are two completely different empires!*

[@AlexS-oj8qf]

China is Porcelain. Porcelain come from Zhongguo. China from Zhongguo Ignorant white people call the land China because it's where China come from.

[@globetrekker86]

“Too many Karls…” * Cue the Rick & Carl Grimes meme *

[@seeking_answers661]

It seems Beethoven ancestors and of spring were either musiscans or members of the army hence the name and the meaning of his surname involes war and peace, precisely farms and military.

[@user-zm5jh3vp7l]

1:39 *more like 12 many times*

[@peabody1976]

4:32 "... but for the time was completely unheard of." Interesting turn of phrase, 12tone.

[@yungstallion2201]

Love the background music Who composed it?

[@salvameaforever]

Guess

[@williamsledge3151]

There is It's called my violin. Its name is Beethoven.

[@barneysurethra4271]

You should do are there any mussolinis left

[@winterwind1169]

The song in the background is moonlight sonata 1st movement

[@AdriLeemput]

His family came from the Mechelen area, in modern day Belgium.

[@riwifjadne]

Are there any Washington’s left? (George Washington) would be a great video I love this series even do you haven’t uploaded another video.

[@globetrekker86]

Beethoven dedicated “Eroica” (aka “Symphony No.3”) to Napoleon, only to become disenchanted with the guy, later

[@tiberiuswolf8259]

I’d ask for a study into the descendants of Jan Vermeer, the Dutch Renaissance painter, but as I am one of them it wouldn’t be terribly interesting. He has a lot of descendants.

[@jamesslick4790]

".....one of the first Rock and Roll stars...Ludwig van Beethoven." I endose this affirmation!👍👍

[@mietek3921]

I have read many answers to that question, with the ine dated furthest back was in the 27th century bc. So, it would seem that cogs were a thing when beethoven was alive

[@jessehawkes1298]

I can relate to the Beethoven’s. I’m literally the only one who can carry on my family’s last name. It’s in good hands lol

[@jaisheelal4002]

Jesse Hawkes So I'm guessing you're either the only child or you have a sister/multiple sisters that are all married? That's sort of sad really..

[@jessehawkes1298]

Two sisters, my uncle never had children of his own. Yes sirree, it's all me

[@jaisheelal4002]

Jesse Hawkes Oof I missed a few possibilities lol That's a lot of responsibility, I suppose.

[@suelane3628]

The last one in your line! There is likely many of your Hawkes relatives still around, but you will likely share common ancestors from the tenth century onwards...earlier for aristocracy.

[@suelane3628]

I meant in relation to the actual origin of your Hawkes line which won't predate the 10th century when the Normans started to instigate surnames in Britain. They already had surnames as had the SAxon chiefs. I am not sure how surnames started elsewhere in Europe and I am assuming your surname is British! Apologies.

[@Sunny-sv7ib]

Hayden is my name, being Haydn with an e is my game

[@hglundahl]

You know "I'll be Bach" seems to run in Sebastians family ... found over 1000 in US ...

[@danielduvernay3207]

i beat my highscore on snake while listening to this thank you for that betoven hint i cant spel

[@ProfessorPineappleEdits]

Soooo.... the last Beethoven was also called Karl :'D 8:20 Hermine is also the german name for Hermione from the Harry Potter Books/Movies!

[@ojcmaboloc2658]

3:32 "Tame"

[@t-brick]

0:15 yep that's a like from me good sir.

[@stojankovacic1524]

10 minutes? I'm good with it ;)

[@Lavenderismyfavourite]

I was born in a palace in old vienna, danubian waltses my llulubyes, my father was yohann with great moustaches my mother maria with emerld eyes. Bethovens parents were maria and Yohann and had a child named anna. Could this been anne of green gables fairytail parents

[@buddyclem7328]

I thought this video would be about present day deaf musicians. Despite the misunderstanding, I enjoyed the video very much.

[@hamambocegijoey1754]

WHİCH PROGRAMMES DO YOU USE? I AM FROM TURKEY I WANT TO BE A KZbinR LOOK LIKE YOU SO CAN YOU SAY THAT WHICH PROGRAMMES DO YOU USE PLEASE?

[@k.sudharto2425]

what’s the soundtrack name?

[@-gemberkoekje-5547]

The last couple letters of my name are also hoven, Warmenhoven (I'm Dutch)

[@Isaiah.278]

Yes

[@kayseek1248]

Are there any Moctezumas (the Aztec king) left?

[@Keke_Poutri]

I really wish beethoven's family generations still decendants 'till now, like a great great grandchildren Most classical long time families can't keep their decendants, there are just fews like queen Elizabeth. . Or I just don't know..

[@CommonCanc]

Do the romanov family next

[@emmansvlogz4535]

Are there any Leopolds left?(the one who made the Congo free state that lived in Belgium)

[@mickel1634]

his family ties don't come from the netherlands, they come from Flanders, Belgium

[@ewestner]

While I get that the point of this video is to see if there are any people alive now with the last name Beethoven (or van Beethoven), it would be neat if you had tried to figure out if any of the female relatives' offspring were still around. They would still be related to him even if they have a different surname.

[@bsman321]

I hope the next season of Genius will be about Beethoven